Could Ukraine REALLY Have Shot Down Russian A-50 AWACS With 1960's S-200 SAM? (WarGames 206) | DCS

With the news on 23rd Feb 2024 that Russia has lost a second A-50U early warning aircraft, we simulate the possibility that an ageing but upgraded S-200 missile system could have shot the A-50U down at over 250km range.
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[@grimreapers]

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S-400 Nets: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3Pad5-bqMxnaNE Modernized Su-27 vs Su-35: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ3PfXewmrlleNU Modernized F15/F16 vs Su-35: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4XSq4d-l6aLjNU Can Su-57 Defend Russia From F-22/35: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e17SdGaEnN12b5Y IMPROVED Stealth vs Russian Bombers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5jafYpqjrCpjLc Ukraine Using Hellfire Missile?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZCUint6idKDhtk US Harpoons vs Russian Navy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZrIlmtpeLyFmac Ukraine Using APKWS?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHPbh2yPqqaZl9k Ukraine US HARMs vs Russian S-400: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4TcdoKOqM-KpZo Patriot/NASAMS vs Supersonic Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2LUaKh6ms6hd5Y Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJm7l6uZbpl9d7c NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnuskJVvas-tps0 Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDSg6KLZ6asnNE Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: 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[@Ledishka02]

How to extract models from DCS? Like to have them in fbx or obj

[@grimreapers]

No idea sorry.

[@tsugumorihoney2288]

so fighterbomber channel claimed that all russian airfoce loses is mechanical problem or friendly fire, A-50 were shot down by own antiair

[@roli4040]

Rumors are, the S-200 was heavily modernized, using the old body, warhead and rocket engine but with new electronics

[@benjaminshropshire2900]

Given the A-50 runs a powerful radar, would an S-200 even need to go active to get most of the way there? If not, that would give you more time to get close and them less time to GTFO. Even without ARAD options, I'd think you could passively track the A-50 with ground assets and use that to guide the missile. At least to the point where the target would be able to see the missile thought jamming and being covert becomes pointless.

[@cz1589]

I read they have 300 km range, not 250... S-200V Vega All-weather long-range anti-aircraft missile system S-200 is designed to combat modern and advanced aircraft, air command posts, jammers and other manned and unmanned aerial attacks at altitudes from 300 m to 40 km, flying at speeds up to 4300 km / h, at ranges up to 300 km under conditions of intensive radio interaction

[@johnfbm]

Rumors are that the Russians shot down their own plane.

[@Kevin-hp5fk]

​@@johnfbm it's hilarious they'd prefer to admit to that kind of incompetence than admit to the truth which is they're just totally imcompetant.

[@cockatoo010]

​@@johnfbmthey claim every Russian aircraft shot down was lost to FF. They're an unreliable source of information

[@randalljones4370]

My nomination for the NextGen FrankenMissle system: a) HIMARS, long-range (ATACAMS is currently about 300 km; next gen is 500km, iirc) b) Mod the batpiss out of an AWACS radar to convert realtime XYZed coords into moving GPS-location with a predictive vector (simple math, boyz). c) slap some terminal guidance fins (spring-loaded to deploy only in last 5-10 km) d) SUPER-NES handset (a universally understood game controller) and a cheap nose cam to help guide the final km) Alternately, zip-tie (or velcro, your choice) a Peregrine to the nose of an ATACAMS... separate at pre-chosen distance, then Peregrine gets coords from AWACS and downs the baddy with a 100 km radius. Far cheaper than sending in F-15 missletruck and getting it shot down. Final choice: 99 LuftBallons - 10 carry a peregrine - 69 carry a chunk of irrigation pipe. - remaining 20 carry excessively loud street-rod sound systems thumping out Nina's best known song.

[@Koozomec]

I love your idea of aerial fireship with the ballons. Or a drone airship.

[@Cody38Super]

I think it's hilarious you think they could hit an F-15. We know they can't even shoot at two F-35's.

[@randalljones4370]

@@Cody38Super ?? A fully-loaded F-15 (in missile-truck config) has the RCS of a semi-truck**... and the same maneuverability. The F-35's return is that of a heavily laden swallow. Flight engagement doctrine is what is keeping the F-15's record clean these days. The main intent of my only-partially tongue-in-cheek post was to open a discussion about getting highly maneuverable, smart A2A weapons deep into enemy territory without attaching it to humans-riding-an-expensive set of wings like the F-15... such as the scenario noted in this video : the premise here was either S-200 or Patriot, but in the future we'll have more targets, dispersed and deep inside their own borders. An ATACAMS has a top speed of around Mach 3 (don't need to do extensive thermal shielding) and can ingress up to 500 km (prob a bit less with a peregrine attached) But the Peregrine's own system will gain back another 100 km, and be benefit from a high-altitude release point which the F-15 would not be safe doing. - no human risk - fast delivery - release at altitude - low cost/low risk. ** = approx 25m square (the most commonly cited number, and may indeed be for an F-15 in no-load config)

[@Cody38Super]

@@randalljones4370I didn't catch the tounge in cheek bit. An F-15EX's RCS is allegedly about 25m², fully laden thanks to electronic suite...however, with it's Growler EW system on board, and knowing the piss poor performance of Russian equipment, and the quality of our pilots, I don't see them hitting much(I know never underestimate your enemy,, but I find that hard to do with Russia these days).The Israeli's flew 2 F-35's into Syria over 4 or 5 Russian missile defense systems, hit a Hamas leader and flew back over the same systems and were never fired on. If by doctrine keeping the Eagle clean in ground attack roles, and meaning that 22's clean out threats, Wild Weasles clear out air defense first and that's why the Strike Eagles aren't getting hit, yes I agree. A C-model, or a new EX can hold its own with anything out there but the 22, but the 22 better be careful....allegedly. I love for someone to FAFO!

[@patricks9401]

​@randalljones4370 Yea a heavly laden swallow the first time it's ever seen, then added as a signature known to be from a F35, stealth planes are great, as long as you don't use them... which is why I suspect they are never used... Here is some food for thought, I have watched ukraine fly little tiny fpv drones into Russian AA and get shot down, a lot also miss because the things are the "size" off a heavly laden swallow, I also watched a patriot and a nasams get destroyed by a pretty big drone and they were also being watched by another drone and the patriot and nasams didn't see shit, the cutting edge western AA systems, being spied on from the air.. shocking I.e Russians are masters of signals intelligence.

[@FarrellMcGovern]

The ADS-B plots of the A-50U show that it was orbiting parallel to the north of the south eastern coast of the Sea of Azov, which would put it well into the S-200 range envolope.

[@inzilbethx4501]

I don't even use DCS, but I love these videos.

[@TheStormpilgrim]

I suspect that last Flanker pilot found a wasp in the cockpit.

[@grimreapers]

It happens...

[@bladeslicemaster5390]

Good flying guys, and a LOT of good luck!

[@eaches]

"You decide, I'm dead. Nice knowing you, boys." Cap's last will & testament.

[@dcijams]

it was nice to see, you guys flying the su25's that was the only plane I was able to download, on my old computer.

[@tomyochum]

Pretty sure the A-50 would not move out of its patrol zone except to run away from a threat. They would not head towards the border because of jamming. They almost certainly didnt know where the S-200 launcher was located, and the Ukrainians found some way to launch/guide the S-200 on some other radar. (Patriot franken-SAM?)

[@rebelliousfew]

The S-200 is not something that you can easily conceal, and with the constant surveillance of the front line, where it would have to launch from, I don’t find it plausible that this even occurred at all. No evidence has sparked up confirming this loss, so Cap saying it did happen tells me probably doesn’t stop to think when reading these articles.

[@jakubp.6987]

Wow, that was fast. Thanks 🍿🍿

[@the_beef4762]

Getting a new gaming PC in a month that can run DCS at max, with throttle, pedals, etc. Hoping I can fly with y'all one day when I figure how TF to play this game.

[@R3dd_1247]

Their requirements to join are a bit silly

[@n111254789]

Such as?

[@rogierius]

​@@n111254789relevant combat experience...

[@christophero55]

18:34 Jeezy Creezy! That was cutting it close with those rockets. Grim Reapers are some crazy SOBs. 😆

[@grimreapers]

Heart-in-mouth moment.

[@grimreapers]

No one noticed the guy I incinerated in the thumbnail pic? WTH guys!!

[@bromine_35]

Is that a reference go the guy who turned into a human candle infront of the Isreali embassy?

[@nigeldepledge3790]

Cap : "300 . . . Ah, like riding a bike . . ." You ride your bike at 300 kph, Cap?!

[@smugfrog8111]

That's 186 MPH in real measurements. I've gone faster. ;)

[@nigeldepledge3790]

@smugfrog8111 - what, on a bicycle?

[@smugfrog8111]

@epledge3790 No, a custom ZX14. I had her up to 195-197 before I got scared and backed off. She was still accelerating too. Never got on a sport bike again after that, lol. But that's still a "bike" Just not a bicycle. Same idea applies, you never forget how to ride one.

[@cockatoo010]

You don't?

[@grimreapers]

Ok, that is quite fast.

[@TangBengYong]

Air defence is a high priority target, often taken out by lancet drones or missile strikes. They probably move the S-200s around if they are using it. Although not very mobile, it can be moved.

[@MMCaptainGinger]

What a great video, thanks valued pilots!

[@Cheshirebennett6367]

Genius ,Cap ! 👍

[@Komet3ify]

Wait, so let me get this straight. Russia would rather claim that they shot down their own a50; One of their most expensive and arguably important aircraft in their arsenal then confirm and give Ukraine the credit? Ok sure…

[@rebelliousfew]

The question is, did this even occur at all?

[@keepyourbilsteins]

​@rebelliousfew I've seen you raise the identical question multiple times. Likely you're a bot, but if not Russia has confirmed the loss of this A-50, lost to friendly fire. Second, multiple independent video graphic sources of the intercept and another video of IL-76 horizontal and vertical stabilizer parts about 5KM from crash site.

[@stinopharan5528]

@@rebelliousfew theres a VIDEO of it too jajaja You can never erase the video of A-50 flare at night and shut down. Satellite image also confirms this, check it out.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@stinopharan5528This is in relation to the first A-50, not the second one.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@keepyourbilsteinsY’all always criticize Russia for lying, so why would you believe a word they say? Could it be possible the Russians are lying about the loss to appear weak? And the “evidence” is in relation to the first A-50, not the current one that we are talking about. And accusing someone to be a bot shows me you’re pretty childish in holding your own in an argument. Act like an adult.

[@mpeugeot]

NCIS is waiting on the results of this sim... LOL.

[@Triggatra4258]

😂😂😂😂😂 BROOOOO i was thinking the same. Guaranteed they watch EVERY VIDEO they put out but use a VPN so nobody can tell they're watching and learning from GR.

[@lippertwe]

Good recreation of what might have happened. It wouldnt surprise me if Ukraine has been given some kind of extended range SAM, or several different ones... For example, a Standard Missile ER of some type, or Patriot. I wouldn't think that the shootdown was with SOF MANPADS, mainly because I would expect that the A-50 flies too high. Additionally, MANPADS have a smaller warhead so I'm not sure it would successfully destroy the A-50. One article, I think it was the Warzone, emphasized that the A-50's deployment of flares was unnecessary. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the countermeasures shoot out both chaff and flares with one button. Pilots should not be forced to press the "right" button when a missile is coming at them, especially if there is no guarantee that it isn't IR or radar guided. Also, if I recall some newer missiles have both radar and IR capabilities (even if they are prototypes).

[@Triggatra4258]

#1- They VERY OBVIOUSLY have and have BEEN had Patriots. C'mon sir what do you know ANYTHING about the war or the weapons being used? #2- There actually IS pretty much a guarantee of what kind of countermeasure to use....IR missiles require FLARES as IR missiles detect and home in on HEAT and RADAR GUIDED missiles require CHAFF. Very simple equations and decisions. Now like you said granted in the heat of the moment the pilot should not have to focus on which to use. IR missiles(FOX 2's) do NOT give off a missile warning for the aircraft it's shooting at RWR (Radar warning receiver) or newer jets MWR (Missile Warning Receiver) and radar guided missiles (FOX 3's) DO. Now a FOX 1 is a SEMI-ACTIVE missile meaning it is guided by the firing platform UNTIL it hits it's TERMINAL STAGE (missile turns it's own radar on and guides itself to target). Lesson over. I'll be here alllllll week folks if ya be needing any more clarification. No disrespect or funnies meant, legit trying to help you out bro.

[@bertkoerts3991]

Nice to hear your perspective, looking forward to lean on your expertise much more! 👍😊

[@Marri-Tech]

How much damage could Ukraine do if the us had trained and then delivered a flight of 4 f35 and or f22 aircraft with modern armarments without Russia finding out…. before Russia then realised what was happening, detected them and then subsequently shot them down?

[@rebelliousfew]

Sorry, that’s fantasyland. Can’t tell you how unrealistic of a scenario this is.

[@Marri-Tech]

@@rebelliousfew they repeatedly do war games for fun and not based in reality? It’s somewhat more likely then a ww2 bombing raid with modern stealth bombers ain’t it

[@rebelliousfew]

@@Marri-TechYou could say that, but it would turn into a shit show on a global scale to the likes of something we would not of dreamt of.

[@CreepingTerror]

That'll buff right out!

[@GearofWar0815]

I laughed hard about your landigs.^^ im a new player and the su-25 is my first airplane. every single langing of mine, looked like yours^^

[@choctaw2sticks193]

love those landing you guys . . . great missions too.

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

An S200 could only shoot down an unsuspecting airliner.

[@josemiguel8149]

Confirmed it was a Patriot

[@the.just.able.biker67]

I love these low level missions. It got very tense near the end because in previous missions the Patriot missiles haven't fired for some reason.

[@grimreapers]

I purposely don't test them so I don't know if they'll work either.

[@tomedwards4489]

Hey cap and crew. Long time viewer first time commenter lol, just wondering if in the Ukraine mission's be fun if you could implement stocks of planes and missiles. Say you used 5 jets and lost 1 next time you could only go out with 4 on the next mission. Possibly show the constraints what Ukraine struggles with military aid.

[@grimreapers]

Hi. We call those dynamic campaigns in DCS. I'll look into it but I may have problems with personnel to get that to work.

[@tundramusicproduction]

That was a surprisngly epic takeoff sequence haha

[@tom23rd]

That ending was amazeballs. Sorry Poosh 😅 loved this mission, nice design to draw the a50 in cap

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@clangerbasher]

SU-25 does look a bit like YA-9. Interesting.........

[@grimreapers]

hmm yes.

[@patricktho6546]

24:05 irl you could also do sead with the jets doing cap etc, to be able to fly higher

[@grimreapers]

Yeh I do think about those ideas BUT the scenario always tends to escalate too far when I start modelling that, because I now have to model Red HIMAD and more realistic Red counter-Cap etc, and before you know it you've got a huge wargame that takes a week to set up, which is cool, but I can't do it at short notice.

[@patricktho6546]

@@grimreapers true

[@grantgates2931]

Enjoyed that

[@randalljones4370]

Pre-mission comment : Since the field-of-play has been moved south, the AWACS is now (potentially) over some higher ground. Could this make it more visible to the S-200's radar? Or, could it give the AWACS some terrain to hide behind, when needed? (probably not, because of it's operating altitude...)

[@jimboAndersenReviews]

That was very entertaining. Jolly good show.

[@mavrikmavrik3032]

Great mission!

[@gofoats]

For the best ending of a mission award...

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

Any reason they just couldn't put the LAUNCHER quite a bit forward to increase the S200 effective range?

[@codename1176]

If they had it would have been deep into Russian held territory

[@jhonbus]

It's not as simple as it is with Patriot, etc. I believe it requires physical cables.

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

I bet someone could come up with a workaround if they tried. War creates enormous forces to evolve technologically.

[@cz1589]

Range can be 300 km, not 250. In good conditions.

[@grimreapers]

I personally think it may be possible but not poss in game.

[@disconductorder]

it would be too easy to get guys into Russian forest with some manpads I really dont see integrating S200 into patriot as likely the missiles are old AF even after the upgrade kits, their big missiles that Russia would have seen

[@cz1589]

I read they have 300 km range, not 250... S-200V Vega All-weather long-range anti-aircraft missile system S-200 is designed to combat modern and advanced aircraft, air command posts, jammers and other manned and unmanned aerial attacks at altitudes from 300 m to 40 km, flying at speeds up to 4300 km / h, at ranges up to 300 km under conditions of intensive radio interaction

[@RealFluse]

Frankensam?

[@randalljones4370]

GMO'd (Geopolitically Modified Ordnance)

[@Spartan536]

Yeah likely a frankensam, using the S-200 rocket motors, body (with aerodynamic upgrades) and likely using a modified Patriot electronic systems.

[@grimreapers]

Frankensam best sam apparently.

[@Spartan536]

@@grimreapers You have to hand it to the Ukrainian's, they can adapt tech exceptionally well, respect given where due.

[@grumpycoffee6887]

Is it possible that the pilot and crew were under the assumption that based upon the range of the system which also includes an altitude as far as range that perhaps they thought they could effectively fly closer, utilizing the parabolic arch? Of the weapon system to their advantage and then unfortunately they miscalculated

[@grimreapers]

Maybe. Missile ranges are a dark magic, even a strong wind can affect them.

[@BillB23]

This one was mildly amusing. Thank you, gentlemen. Be well.

[@timjouwstra]

Russia: thinks they're safe. Ukraine: If I can see it, I'm gonna hit it.

[@rebelliousfew]

It’s likely this never occurred. There’s zero evidence for this event.

[@william2k]

At an arms fair or promoting ones weapons, NATO countries tells what it can definitely can do, Warsaw pact tells what it needs to frighten NATO

[@TheProperMinter]

Great vid. From what I heard from UA experts, old s200 missiles used old circuitry, that very well could be replaced by modern electronics and 100+ kilo saved, added fuel, could be a new lighter warhead, hence the range could be 500+ km, plus it could be guided by usa awacs from the black sea realistically, together with pac radar

[@jameswoollard84]

Ukraine has been given Meteor.

[@HT-Blindleader]

Cap, we're gonna need you to start adding some completely new people to the vids. The current crew had gotten much to competent. Not nearly enough explosions on take off and landing these days.

[@tanksoldier]

There is no way the Russians deliberately hazarded an AWACS for any ground target. The only possibility, short of simple incompetence,, is that the Russians didn’t know the S200 had moved.

[@stinopharan5528]

I mean, Russian ships sunked by drones, 1 A-50 last Month, 1 A-50 this month, its 2 A-50 this year.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@stinopharan5528Are you this gullible in everything you read?

[@riparianlife97701]

Cheer

[@user-kd2ij7te5v]

And maybe they popped a modern seeker on top of the s-200 missile

[@yaosio]

I'm not doing well. Sorry. :(

[@ftumptch86]

I defo didn't look like FF. They were flaring and probably chaffing for ages. I reckon the air defence seen was trying to intercept the incoming.

[@JamesSelway]

Following you guys for a few months now, wondering why you always put a smile on my face with every video, keep up the good work. Sorry Cap but Simba is the dude , backbone of the team x

[@markscion]

No, the other right

[@AdsDem0n]

"Any final thoughts?" "BOOM"

[@Four9sFineJewelry]

For shiggles, now do the same mission but with the A-10.

[@mrkeogh]

18:35 Jeez, Cap. You were lucky not to tag your wingman 😬

[@sageg58]

It was red or red

[@albird87]

Hey Simba, sounds like you should go to the stoneburner server to learn navigation on the Su-25 ;)

[@donkeysunited]

Nail biting stuff, flying that low.

[@ATomRileyA]

You need to do a test on that Ukrainian lady that took out a drone with a soup can :) she was the ghost of kiev's grandma :)

[@AusExplorer]

Doesn't the S-200 potentially have a 300km/190mi range? The reason I ask is because the A-50 isn't really detecting enemy outside of that range anyway, meaning they might be forced into operating inside the danger zone just to be effective anyway.

[@cz1589]

read they have 300 km range, not 250... S-200V Vega All-weather long-range anti-aircraft missile system S-200 is designed to combat modern and advanced aircraft, air command posts, jammers and other manned and unmanned aerial attacks at altitudes from 300 m to 40 km, flying at speeds up to 4300 km / h, at ranges up to 300 km under conditions of intensive radio interaction

[@stinopharan5528]

Its flaring at night, so it detected it early, problem is, it can't evade.

[@jeremylemaster6357]

What are the chances of getting that scoring script??? I could REALLY use it on some of my missions that I build for my guys!!

[@grimreapers]

Sorry but this one is staying private, plus I have to set it up for every battle.

[@Nealetony]

For extra difficulty could scatter manpads randomly, spooky spooky manpads.

[@grimreapers]

My nightmares are full of manpads, everywhere...

[@DavesLittleBits]

Poosh surviving the fight with 2 flankers only to end his day that way was a real highlight.

[@whousley]

Sea Baby drone equipped with man pad question mark?

[@rickbase833]

Folks......can we please dispense with the notion that the Ukes kludged Patriot Pac-2 radar and control unit to guide an S-200. That is mashugana. It's already a challenge for the United States military (Army/Navy/USAF/USMC) systems to talk to each other via datalink. There is some standardization out there like Link 16 but that's a slower information exchange link and not a specialized missile guidance link. In order for a legacy system like the missily guidance system like the Patriot to work with a Russian SAM......there would have to be hardware and software compatilbity. There are radio frequency (not hard), waveform (hard), xmitting and recceiving missile data link message formats (hard), and other compatibility challenges and that doesn't take into accout radio and data encryption. Yes I know a little something about the subject.

[@sbjchef]

could the missile be guided by a nato awacs via datalink

[@grimreapers]

Unlikely, you'd need your own terminal seeker adding to the missile for that to work. Possible but would mean re-engineering the entire missile from scratch.

[@rebelliousfew]

It would be seen as an escalation to the conflict, so no, I doubt that occurred.

[@Pillow_Cat]

Just a high altitude wind lucky direction, i guess.

[@hexapon133]

Either that, or a clandestine op into enemy lines with manpads

[@rebelliousfew]

I doubt this event occurred in the first place. So far, no physical evidence has confirmed this loss.

[@134StormShadow]

Mind condition, grass waxing.....Look at that, any final thoughts.... (the cap curse) 🔥💥💥💥 😂😂😂

[@grimreapers]

A thing happened.

[@gofoats]

So you're using a Quack-bang? @Fatelectrician.

[@gerrya4818]

why wouldnt they be using other sensors(or US intel) to know in general where a target is and keep the s200 or patriot turned off until right when they fire? theres no reason to keep it turned on for a long period before.

[@grimreapers]

Agree but I suspect Russia will still know where the SAM is and stay clear of it.

[@enrico4237]

No, this was only russian Friendly Fire...

[@James-9999]

Just like Moskva?

[@rimpri]

This was unexpectedly interesting up to the very end.

[@jpteknoman]

The thing i find the most funny about the whole incident is how the media was acting like Ukraine won the war when they shot down that one AWACS. Yes it was an important strategic asset that Russia lost but unless Putin was in it, its just one aircraft at the end of the day and they can build another. Just like nobody would care about that one bomber in WW2 if Yamamoto wasn't on board.

[@user-fc6bh9ms2p]

Add here ten Sukhoi in a week. For any modern army it's something unthinkable, and it's not the world war

[@rebelliousfew]

Yep. Regardless if the second downing even occurred or not, this isn’t necessarily a severe blow to Russia. Russia may now only have 7 AWACS in service, but let’s not forgot that Russia has more A-50 in storage that, in the event they require more, they can take a few out of storage and modernize them to the A-50U standard, or they can simply build new ones, but taking old A-50’s out of storage is more cost-effective and quicker to do. Lastly, Russia has very high concentrations of ground-based radar systems, so them losing a (presumed) second A-50 is not a strategic advantage for Ukraine. It only delays the inevitable anyways

[@jameswoollard84]

​@@rebelliousfewpro Putin scum

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@rebelliousfew It's extremely severe. The A-50 paints a picture for fighters and air defense. Russia is losing AWACS and Ukraine is scheduled to receive F-16s this summer. Long range drones flying under the radar were detected by A-50s. It's like you people can't see the pieces of the puzzle coming together. This is like noticing someone shut down the cameras and alarm system in a bank, and saying "nah there's not going to be a robbery".

[@darkphoenix5416]

@@user-fc6bh9ms2p 🤡🤣🤣🤣

[@Finn-FrenchGaming]

What's bloody beeping?

[@grimreapers]

RWR

[@alexshpak1497]

"A Russian plane was shot down." US politician "Russia must have done it"

[@cadennorris960]

What are you on about?

[@stinopharan5528]

I am US Politician, I said "PATRIOT is best missile, UKRAINE shot down russian Plane."

[@rebelliousfew]

@@stinopharan5528You really are gullible.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@cadennorris960Sorry, we understand what’s really happening in this proxy war. You’d understand what he’s saying if you did.

[@nekomakhea9440]

Crack theory: tfw Ukranian EW tricks your IADS into thinking your own A-50 is a flight of F-16s bum rushing the Crimean bridge with JASSMs

[@rebelliousfew]

And that’s why I’m glad you referred to it as a crack theory.

[@localdrugseller6431]

Pretty sure it was a Pac-2 that downed the second A-50?

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWLVeoduds9pZqM

[@grimreapers]

Problem is the range ^^

[@voradfils]

why do yall have a problem with them start carts tho and why are they hanging out in the middle of some random field out in the sticks

[@grimreapers]

GR are farmers at heart, we are just going back to our roots

[@elliotjoseph6093]

Did RC leave the Grim Reapers?

[@karlasmith]

Could they have moved and set up the s-200 overnight? That seems the easy way….

[@grimreapers]

Yes but my understanding is this is the type of SAM that takes a long time to set up etc. Not as portable as a Patriot for instance.

[@jbdawinna]

Pretty sure it was a patriot?

[@grimreapers]

Problem is, Patriot maxes out at 80 miles range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWLVeoduds9pZqM

[@stinopharan5528]

@@grimreapers I am pretty sure they only said about "EFFECTIVE RANGE" , the MAX RANGE is = Classified to this day.

[@AEFisch]

If you needed those sidewinders, you were already in trouble. Real world Flankers can't look down - shoot down if you are on the deck. I never heard of that long range S200. Of course, Ukraine isn't bragging about them.

[@duncreg]

I think D-Day's battle plan was less complicated. :-) Russians goofed, plane got shot down.

[@devosjj1]

This particular aircraft is a Soviet rip off of the aircraft that competed against the a-10. It was called the a-9 designed by northrop

[@chrisp7563]

No fratracide??!? Who are you and what have you done with my Grim Reapers??

[@grimreapers]

the Ukrainian grass killed Poosh, that's sort of FF?

[@ActuallyJamie]

It could have also been a Patriot battery as well

[@HOLOD48551]

do you at least know the range of the patriot, without looking on google right now ?

[@yawningkitty457]

This was well outside the range of a PAC2 patriot missile.

[@hexapon133]

​@@yawningkitty457 the declassified range at least

[@localdrugseller6431]

​@@HOLOD48551>Pac-2s range is definitely what we tell you it is bro trust us your planes are in no danger

[@grimreapers]

Patriot maxes out at around 80 miles range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWLVeoduds9pZqM

[@jackmorrison8269]

Question= could an F-117 enter the area and remain unidentified? Like they might know SOMETHING is there but couldnt prove it legally?

[@grimreapers]

I suspect it could.

[@stinopharan5528]

F-117 was documented having no radar on the nose though, It not have any interface to use any Fox 3 missiles, can only use Fox 2 forward facing. it doesn't have IRST, meaning if it wants to use missiles, it needs to be Within Visual Range.

[@jackmorrison8269]

@@stinopharan5528 umm no it uses FLIR (passive) and guided bombs actually. See Desert Storm lol. Its a bomber it doesnt fire missles lol

[@superflyguy4488]

Look in the right places and you'll get your answer.

[@grimreapers]

Link plox.

[@fmobus]

it'd be awesome if they introduced AWACS into the gameplay, like actually have someone flying it, someone operating the radars, vectoring the fighters, etc

[@riskinhos]

there was an F-22 game with AWAC capability. it was great

[@jaguargr3]

@@riskinhos Total Air War. I still have a copy!

[@riskinhos]

@@jaguargr3it was amazing. imagine if it was made today. one of the best games ever made

[@jmtpolitico80]

So before the video starts I am already wondering how the S-200 will take down the A50 when you have Russian Fighters it would shoot at first I would think. Unless you instructed it just to fire at the A50?

[@Laerei]

If you watched the video you would know that Russian fighters flew low to stay under the radar.

[@codename1176]

There is still a missing su-34 I believe that still hasn’t reported in after the A-50 shoot down last I heard. There is that mysterious explosion to the rear of the A-50 that doesn’t look like missile hitting flares to me. May have been one of the escorts literally flying interference.

[@eduardokarlos1419]

​@@Laerei but our fighters always fly high, cause there's no treat for them. They are the danger

[@grimreapers]

The fighters stayed low, they did not become a target to S-200 until A-50 was already shot down.

[@eduardokarlos1419]

@@grimreapers The A-50 was shot down by allies, unfortunately. I don’t know what they tell you on TV, but it's all a lie

[@marktucker208]

Can you help me? Im trying to understand why Russia have struggled to gain much ground in this war given how many more planes and helicopters they had/have at the start? You never seem to hear about Russian air attacks in Ukraine. If they really have all this air power then why do they not bomb cities in the west of Ukraine?

[@timbaskett6299]

The Su-25 looks like the Northrop YA-9. Their entry into the competition that gave rise to the A-10.

[@jerrydumas9848]

Why not? American's blew up a balloon about that height

[@ecliptix5436]

The Greater Good

[@grimreapers]

/somerset accent...

[@ecliptix5436]

@@grimreapers You know it! 😂

[@xfreedombuckO5x]

Don't forget that Russian flight crews barely get any flight time by western standards.

[@rebelliousfew]

Okay buddy, you believe what you want.

[@utiz4321]

It didn’t happen.