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[@coder4liberty]

Tatiana is married to Alex Lopez who was the drummer in Suicide Silence. He now plays drums for POD. They live in the LA area. The male members live elsewhere in Europe now (maybe Poland). They left Ukraine last year when they received special permission to leave to be cultural ambassadors on behalf of the Ukrainian government. Prior to that and after the current conflict started the male members were not allowed to leave and the band missed a US tour with Slipnot. They just concluded a tour with Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin in the US. This song was primarily prompted by the conflict in 2014 which basically continued until the current invasion. Tatiana's home town Horlivka is under Russian control but only this last week has ended up within just a few miles of the front line of the war for the first time since 2014.

[@seantimmons5900]

So that's why they were touring with POD! That felt like such an odd pairing.

[@coder4liberty]

That's how who tours with who happens more often than not.

[@Tle-yp6ww]

They are not married anymore.

[@coder4liberty]

@@Tle-yp6ww I don't know where you heard that but it isn't true.

[@pwsegal]

Tati is married to Alex Lopez, ex drummer for Suicide Silience, currently in POD (and he was Vlad's drum tech on their last US tour). Speaking of which POD are releasing a new song soon featuring Tati.

[@sherm4421]

when did they get married? there's nothing online saying they got married

[@pwsegal]

not sure of the year, but she has posted wedding photos on her insta,

[@ZachComa]

@@sherm4421 In several interviews she's said "my husband" and she wears a ring. On both of their Insta, the trip they had in Mexico was their honeymoon.

[@kylefrandsen2665]

It wasn't just Crimea annexed in 2014. It was also the part of Donetsk where Jinjer is from and has remained under Russian control to this day as the "DPR".

[@livebro6654]

Stop lying. The DPR did not support the coup and for this they were killed by those who supported the coup.

[@JohnGunn]

I swear when she says “this is W-A-R”, it hits me deep down every damned time. It’s so powerful.

[@ericpeterson7512]

Fuck yeah. Same. That hits as hard as any lyric since the antiwar protest songs of the 60s and 70s.

[@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis.]

The male members of the band were allowed to leave the Ukraine as ambassadors for their country. The other song Dave was thinking about is "Call Me a Symbol" which was done after the full invasion of the Ukraine by Russian troops.

[@jeffwellman2883]

The masks are characters from an Ukrainian children's fable. It goes along with the song being about their first refugee experience during the Russian invasion as seen through the eyes of a child.

[@alexandrestarinsky1055]

True and such straw goat masks they usually wear in Ukraine at the pagan celebration of Malanka on New Year's eve.

[@chrisingles102]

Jinjer was caught up in the previous invasion. They had to relocate to Kiev because of it. Tati said they were so hungry that they sometimes ate dirt to fill their stomachs. She also said that she hasn't seen her parents in years. I'm assuming because they stayed in the Russian occupied territory? They have been named official ambassadors of the Ukraine which is why they are touring nearly non stop.

[@livebro6654]

A civil war has begun in Ukraine. Why are you lying?

[@ZachComa]

This song is about the Russian invasion in '14 when they took Crimea. It's sad how history rhymes.

[@the_hetman]

Yes, it’s hard to nod along to Jinjer as the time signature changes all the time and even when it is consistent for a time it can be an odd meter. This song starts in 15/16 time or if you are feeling out the stresses in the drums, a bar of 8 followed by a bar of 7. Even the bossa nova section is in 7/8 which is unusual. Jinjer will often drop a beat or add a bar with a strange measure. It makes for interesting music but you have to listen hard.

[@ericpeterson7512]

And they play "across the bars" like mofos don't they! Musical phrases start in one measure and end in another, all while the meters are changing. Makes it really tricky to count and subdivide the measures. Almost every song has something like that. Try counting out the chorus of Pisces some time! I love it. It's like a musical puzzle. I'm so here for it.

[@princessjava42]

Got to see Jinjer in concert for the first time this past summer. They are incredible live, the energy, the sound! Just amazing \m/

[@matthewflesher3438]

Home is not a building... home is Liberty.... awesome lyrics!!

[@realitychord]

This band elicits so much emotion from me and I'm completely obsessed with them. Thoroughly enjoying the journey you're both taking with them. Hopefully you get around to Pit of Consciousness at some point, specifically the live one from Kyiv 2019. Cheers to you both and loving everything you're doing 🤘😁🤘💙🇺🇦💛

[@BrianYates-ue8hf]

Although this song is a banger it breaks my heart every time I hear it...I saw Jinjer about 18 months ago at a 500 seat club and they killed it....The entire band has talent for miles but Roman the guitarist is so underrated it's a shame...Fun music fact: Vlad the drummer is a multi instermetalist and wrote 90% of Jinjer's last album Wallflower ✌️🤘🧐

[@mobelfyr]

I love Jinjer❤ and this song always makes my tear up 😢 Great reaction as always 👍🏻

[@Friskee62]

I finally got to see JINJER Aug 12 in Syracuse, NY with, Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin. Tati is married to the drummer from Suicide Silence...

[@user-dj8sp8xb3t]

You should do a reaction to the oldschool Jinjer song outlander. It’s very good awesome song.

[@billwell9266]

still my favorite!

[@mobelfyr]

Yes!!

[@matthewgrady3423]

-When I first started checking the band out after hearing “Pisces”, this was one of the songs I gave a listen to. However, I couldn’t get into it. Part of it was the video was a bit distracting, which is an issue I had with a number of the songs I checked put at the time. After hearing “Bad Water” and getting them, I think it might be in my Top Ten songs by them. When I saw them at the House of Blues in Myrtle Beach a couple of months ago, a section on the floor in front of me had cleared out just as they started playing, which made me move up in time to the intro.

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

The song is very much war seen through the eyes of a child. The flairs comming out of the jet is called chaff they are flares disigned to distract heat seeking missiles from their target.

[@TexasVeteranPatriot]

Just an fyi for clarity...flares are for the heat seekers, but chaff is metal foil strips ejected from a canister to confuse radar guided missiles. A tool for every need.... 👍

[@whispermason8052]

Well that puts to rest the Rumors that the OB's split up because Mike was asked to Rodie with the Rolling Stones like he was doing in the 70's and Daz was locked up for exposing himself to a blind person. Thanks for the clarification. What's really amazing is the Jinjer was almost Prescient with their music about the Russian Invasion because they've been dealing with this since 2014 when they lived in Donbas. They wrote anti war songs and then the war started. To rescue Dave, I saw them in Chicago in Jan. 2023. They did Tour the US in 2023 and Canada.

[@ryanstansfield5156]

This was prior to the current war, but their hometown was in Donesk I think, which was one of the areas that was annexed at the same time as Crimea.

[@Brent_P]

Crimea was annexed in 2014.

[@ryanstansfield5156]

@Brent_P yes, however a large part of both Donetsk and Luhansk were controlled by Russian backed separatists (annexisation was poor phrasing on my part). The main point I was making was that this song wasn't just relevant to the Crimea being invaded, but to their hometown in Donesk being part of a war zone due to Russian backed separatists.

[@Brent_P]

@ryanstansfield5156 You have been gobbling up that Western propaganda, I see. The U.S and NATO backed Gov't of Ukraine were the ones waging the war against Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainians until Russia finally used it as an excuse to invade due to this puppet Ukrainian Gov't threatening to join NATO.

[@rikardottosson1272]

@@ryanstansfield5156don’t acquiesce to the propagandists. Even Putin now admits there were regular Russian forces in Donetsk in 2014. Pretending it was a ”separatist movement” is just silly

[@ryanstansfield5156]

@rikardottosson1272 I'm not. 'Russian backed sepratists' is a phrase that hopefully everyone can understand as those representing Russian interest, e.g. Russian military as well as locals backed by them. But, this is KZbin, and frankly not a place I really wanted that debate.

[@gost]

Last night we did not sleep because russians bombed us all night long. The house is not a shelter anymore is what you feel. And the scariest thing to hear is when drone's motor stops to work. It falls. In 10 seconds you hear an explosion several hundred meters from your house. You think "not me this time". And in the morning you have to go to work, and it's not much work in the country during the war. Absolutely unreasonable and barbarian war that "civilized world" does not want to stop because of "unaccepted economic impact". Human life is not even cheap, it is just a generalized number in the everyday statistics.

[@Golf77768]

Thank you for this reaction! Please react to Jinjer song "Ape", "Pit Of Consciousness" live in Kiev, "Words of wisdom" and of cause Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live)!!! Why you didn`t have reaction to this song??? Who Is Gonna Be The One must be in first while exploring this band!

[@GenericUser833]

There's been war in Ukraine since before the "war" that everyone is currently following. Russia annexed Crimea many years ago. There's been civil wars and unrest since then. This song is referring to the long time instability and general unsafely of their home country.

[@neilpatrickhairless]

The area Ukraine is in has been through war for hundreds and hundreds of years

[@ericpeterson7512]

They really have. Ruzzia has been trying to Russify them for a long time. The Nazis Eastern Front was in Ukraine, where so many millions of troops were lost. I believe many of those were conscripted Ukrainians. It was Ukrainians and their harsh winter who stopped Hitler, with horrific losses. Even before that, Ruzzia created an artificial famine in Ukraine called the Holodomor which killed millions. And Ruzzian territorial aggression in the region goes back about a thousand years. Also, it was Ukrainians and their winter that defeated Napoleon! Ukraine: where armies go to die. They can and will beat Ruzzia, with our help. Slava Ukraine! Geroyam Slava! Slava Jinjer!

[@gimiwanishkaa]

@@ericpeterson7512 So much of what you posted is inaccurate or just plain false. You're conflating Ukraine with Russia. While the Eastern Front did extend into Ukraine, Ukraine only accounted for about a third of the front. Most of the German lives were lost in the central region of the front where they attempted to capture Moscow. While winter was a contributing factor to the failure of Operation Barbarossa, it was the Russian winter far to the North that was killing the Germans. Ukrainian winters aren't that harsh; they're comparable to German winters. And Napoleon's army never set foot in Ukraine. They crossed into Russian territory in modern day Lithuania and marched East to Moscow. Furthermore, it wasn't winter (let alone a Ukrainian winter) that defeated Napoleon. He had already lost 3/4 of his men and was in retreat before winter arrived.

[@ericpeterson7512]

@@gimiwanishkaa I stand corrected. Thank you for clarifying. I've been laboring under some misconceptions.

[@ugg10video76]

I believe the hessian animals are characters in a fable, maybe the Rabbit, the Fox and the Wolf. I think it is something to do with how the small rabbit uses cunning to get his enemies, fox and wolf, to fight each other, obvious parallels with Ukraine, Nato and Russia. To sure that is fully correct but you get the symbolism of the centre section in the video.

[@neilpatrickhairless]

There is an old fable about the Rabbit, the Dog and the Tiger. The moral of the fable is communication against a common threat

[@thomaslazarek6835]

Great reaction. I love how the shape of an angel is really smoke from a bombing. So dark and powerful.

[@IAmGRX]

This is NOT before the war. The current war from Feb 2022 is just a continuation. The Russians came into the Donbass region in 2014 and the fighting has never stopped there since. Jinjer is from the city of Donesk in that region. They say the only reason they're still a band is they had to leave as refugees to the west of the country and the only way they could eat was to play. The war Russia started is like 10 years old now. This song is talking about innocent kids wondering what the hell is going on. Hence the band in those masks from a Ukrainian fairy tale.

[@Robertsmith-dy3sh]

This song hits different for sure! But subject matter aside, it is a banger!

[@jonathanbouthillette753]

The Herculeas C-133 (I think thats what it's called) is called the angle of death

[@billwell9266]

Yes - the C130 or AC130 when it fires it's flares

[@jonathanbouthillette753]

@billwell9266 C-130 yes, i was close haha

[@billwell9266]

@@jonathanbouthillette753 C130 is transport and the AC130 is death from above! 😁

[@jonathanbouthillette753]

@@billwell9266 i was close haha

[@notdynomonkey]

They wrote this about their childhoods and it was out before the most recent invasion started.

[@sacrednavigator5003]

Truly enjoy checking out you reactions. Here is a suggestion that I am sure that you and your listeners will enjoy. The Bee Gees "I Surrender" The Promotional Video version.

[@jayrenard6983]

When i saw them this past August, Tatiana walked out on stage and announced they were JinJer and from Ukraine. The venue went nuts and then all the fun began. Amazing talented band. I think you might be thinking of the song "when two empires collide".

[@Sesyrity]

I’m watching the reaction to air defense explosions in Kyiv, this has been going on for 2 hours

[@seattanf2348]

Dave and Ash, many and possibly all US military aircraft can release those flares you were talking about. The purpose is to defensive to distract heat seeking missiles.

[@nickmoutos8308]

Always a lot of comments, but just for context, when Crimea was invaded in 2014, so were the Luhansk and Donsetsk regions of Eastern Ukraine. Jinjer is from the Donetsk region and were surrounded by the 2014 invasion and later fled to Kiev but still had family in that area in 2022 when the larger invasion took place.

[@theJuLYheat]

I gotta ask....... Ash, whats with the fuckin goat in your hands? AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[@ashleighm8225]

You know exactly why 😉 Tati is the G.O.A.T!

[@user-tv8uy9vk5v]

Super!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@golub1001]

How they want to return to their small town of GORLOVKA, which is located near DONETSK. Longing and dream of a victorious return home after the occupation of their city since 2014! Why don't people want to live in peace and love? They moved to Lviv, then to Kyiv! They are currently touring.

[@fredbarnes2600]

Yeah they're from Donetsk. Enough said

[@bobloblawlawbomb4054]

The Agonist or Arch Enemy

[@bobloblawlawbomb4054]

OTEP!!!

[@ThaStranger11]

If you ever had anything to write angry music about...

[@Kevin-mf5fm]

What’s with the mask fear?

[@brutalshow3364]

🤘🇺🇦🤘

[@dezper4958]

слава Україні

[@user-ji5gg3xs2k]

Separately, it’s interesting to watch you from Ukraine when the sirens are howling outside the window. Great reaction, I took a break from reality. My home is not a shelter any more. yep. indeed.