False Advertising in Sonic Games

[@jskywalker58]

"people expected sonic 4 to be sonic's grand return to 2d platforming" advance and rush games: "excuse me?"

[@ChimpManZ1264]

@@jskywalker58 They didn't quite have the same feel as the mechanics of grinding rails, a lot of voids and more complicated bosses are a debate. Don't get me wrong, advance obviously created a new set of fans aand some of the older ones adapted to it but I think it qualifies as 2D modern Sonic and Sonic 4 Episode II definitely mimicked it a bit but didn't execute it as well as advance.

[@dragnjames2190]

All Sonic 4 needed was to keep it's original name "Sonic the Portable" and it'd be much more fondly remembered by hardcore fans. Unfortunately, Sonic the Portable wouldn't sell as well as a game named Sonic 4.

[@puzzlegear9568]

@@jskywalker58 "Sonic the portable" would have been just a usual Sonic game. Instead, it's just "Sonic 4" in name only.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@dragnjames2190 I wonder if we would've gotten Episode 2 if it was called Sonic the Portable. I'm sure we would've gotten a DLC level pack (because money), but I doubt it would've ended up the same as EP2's levels.

[@swisserty]

Please please please watch Michelle obanma, new speech. Great oration. Don’t forgot to vote!

[@saturnmunchies]

whats really sad is in a lot of these instances, the elements that were advertised (Chaos and Shadow bosses in Forces, the day night cycle in 06, the 2 additional islands in Frontiers, etc) were supposed to be in the final games but had to be cut due to time constraints. The real issue is Sega rushing these games out undercooked before they can even deliver on what's being advertised.

[@Shonin23]

I have ZERO clue why companies keep rushing and underpaying their employees to make a buggy, unfinished mess as opposed to giving devs the time and resources they need to make a product people ACTUALLY want to pay for

[@snakey888]

To be fair, that's how most entertainment products are made, with various revisions and features that end up being cut for one or another reason. You'd be hard pressed to find a game or even film that has nothing cut or altered.

[@Shonin23]

@@snakey888 That is a really good point but I don’t think that’s why games like 06 are so buggy. It’s because the people in charge don’t just let the devs and people working on it actually make what they want. I mean look at Sonic’s 2 biggest fuck ups; Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 and Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric. They were both primarily messed up by SEGA interrupting the devs. 06 was messed up due to time constraints and SEGA splitting the team in half to make a Wii port of 06 that then turned into it’s own game for no reason. And Boom was messed up due to SEGA making the team switch engines halfway through while not delaying the game

[@flarestorm9417]

If memory serves, all of the cutscenes that don't involve the avatar in Sonic Forces are pre-rendered, despite using the in-game models. Because of this, Chaos has no model in the files of Sonic Forces. In-engine cutscenes are generally smaller than video files, and games usually only use video files for CGI cutscenes. I'm no expert, but the fact that the game's cutscenes work like that just shows how slap-dash some of it was.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Also a fun fact, the Hedgehog Engine, which first premiered with Sonic Unleashed, was supposed to be used with Sonic 06 first but couldn't due to time constraints and the fac that Sega split the entire team in half to develop Sonic and the Secret Rings for the Wii because it couldn't run Sonic 06

[@extremium_studios]

In Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric's case, that's actually sad. Big Red Button had something and then for some reason, Sega took it away.

[@jskywalker58]

@@extremium_studios i played rise of lyric recently out of curiosity and honestly i had a solid time with it would even go as far to say its my 2nd favorite 2010's sonic game right behind generations

[@robertlupa8273]

@@jskywalker58 Better than Colors? Better than Mania (tho I could understand if you didn't like Mania, don't worry)?

[@jskywalker58]

@@robertlupa8273 not that i hate mania i just don't really care that much for 2d sonic i always kinda prefer 3d sonic gamplay i acually enjoyed rise of lyric's gameplay maybe its just me but in someways its beat em up gameplay kinda reminds me of the werehog gameplay from unleashed

[@robertlupa8273]

@@jskywalker58 That's fair. In fact, I'm glad that you enjoyed Rise of Lyric's gameplay!

[@polocatfan]

I highly doubt this to this day.

[@rbm8889]

Ah yes. The hate of TWELVE BRAND NEW ZONES

[@Kave6]

I love the alleged TWELVE BRAND NEW ZONES

[@vitordaniel961]

You mean TWELVE BRAND NEW ZONES

[@AnnoyingGremlinCat]

No, the TWELVE BRAND NEW ZONES

[@cashbrady4074]

He clearly means the TWELVE BRAND NEW ZONES

[@BagasKingYT]

No, you all are wrong Yall forgot about the TWELVE BRAND NEW ZONES

[@hyrulehero2773]

Don’t forget that in Sunset Heights’ gameplay trailer, the video cuts off right before the in-game end goal of the stage to try and trick viewers into believing that was about the halfway point of the stage, only to play the game and find out that was actually just right where the stage ends.

[@turborun2345]

One other thing about forces, a lot of the levels they showed off they would cut off the start of the level to make you think you were half way through to hide how short the stages were

[@RatchetAndClank14]

Sonic 3D Blast was originally called Sonic Spindrift

[@jethrohenderson4968]

Sounds like a kart Game

[@daisytorres6979]

I think they changed it cuz they had a sonic game that had a similar name "sonic drift"

[@katakisLives]

The Megadrive version I played was Sonic 3D Flickles Island.

[@ZonicMirage]

​@@katakisLives I've definitely grown to prefer the PAL title. Sounds like it belongs to an actual game, as opposed to a buzzword.

[@TTG-37]

The 06 trailers showed more polish than the main game was cause it was💀💀💀💀💀 During development, they had a more polished and refined build of the game, but at some point it kept crashing, so instead of fixing it, they scrapped it and remade the game.

[@monstru1572]

Wrong, they reverted to an earlier build of the game that was way more unfinished but didn't have any of the crashes that the refined build did

[@TTG-37]

@@monstru1572 Oh, ok

[@verguco6051]

the developement team were split in two teams to make sonic and the secret rings and they had the deadline of holidays to match the 15 anniversary, is a miracle the game got relased on a somewhat playable state

[@TimDespairBear11]

“The fact they called this dumpster fire of a game sonic 4 should be a crime” Which is why we shouldn’t get a “Sonic adventure 3.” We’re better off not having that name ruined with some mediocre game.

[@snakey888]

To be fair, the Sonic Adventure brand already has two mediocre games, a third one wouldn't really ruin anything.

[@TimDespairBear11]

@@snakey888 if you don’t like the adventure games that’s fine but imo they’re the best 3D Sonic’s by far. But obviously they aged I mean they’re like 25 year old games.

[@RightFaceTurn]

​@@snakey888one mediocre* Adventure 1 was passable

[@snakey888]

@@TimDespairBear11 Nothing wrong in liking mediocre games.

[@TimDespairBear11]

@@snakey888 interesting way to put it. You can argue every sonic game is mediocre including the classics.

[@debisi5067]

Sega these days: 1. Market the game 2. Lie about the game 3. False advertisement 4. Frick up the game 5. MONEY

[@sikosonix901]

That's not entirely true. Yes there is false advertising here and there, but most of the time SEGA is just showing it how it is.

[@Starmans_Insights]

​@@sikosonix901so that sonic colours footage was how the game was

[@burritobison7700]

Well sometimes money, since they lost money last year because superstars bombed

[@Starmans_Insights]

@@burritobison7700 and the sad part is superstars was actually kinda fun, besides some of the music and all the boss fights

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

​@@Starmans_Insights it sells kinda badly because they priced it 60$!!! It should've atleast been 20$ or 30$

[@Angel1743YTGR]

People talk about CyberPunk 2077 when Sega already did this a few times in the past.

[@Bean_Lava]

I don't think he knows what "false advertising" actually means 💀 He literally just nitpicked random stuff

[@Fazbear_VR109]

Did u even watch the whole video 💀

[@MarioKartGamerDude]

Another thing about Sonic Forces, when fans asked why Shadow was helping Eggman, they literally said “he’s helping him for his own reasons” Which made fans speculate about why he was helping! Only to find out that he was a fake and the answer they gave us was a lie lol

[@mediamuncher69]

Hey, I know you!

[@MarioKartGamerDude]

@@mediamuncher69 Oh are you a fan from my channel? Hi!

[@Mr.Feather130]

Frontiers' marketing is a bit messy until the game's release but so far Sonic X Shadow Generations' marketing is doing great

[@baylordiamond8819]

How is sonic generstions not a remaster? It's an enhanced port of the game released over a decade after the original. That's the litteral definition of a remaster. Do you have "remaster" confused with "remake"

[@CluckBuckles]

2:16 This was because Sonic Team had to use an older build of 06 to get it out on time.

[@caseykm1405]

Woah this happened a lot of times in the franchise this is crazy.

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

Or any company that matter that's capitalism for ya.

[@lucaungureanu7936]

Sonic 4 is ok for me and will no further elaborate

[@giroandkarin2822]

I’ll never forget when Sega hinted at ALOT of awesome things they were adding to Sonic Forces, with most of them either being underwhelming or complete lies

[@seanmorris440]

Sonic 3D Blast is a 3D game with 2D graphics. You can't turn the camera, but the game objects can pass over each other without colliding, unlike in Doom, where two objects will collide if their X & Y coordinates match, regardless of how far apart the Z position is on-screen. Doom is a 2D game with 3D graphics, S3DB is a 3D game with 2D graphics.

[@SFproductions1]

Like I said, it's an illusion of 3D

[@seanmorris440]

@@SFproductions1 Its not an illusion, though. All the physics are actually calculated in 3D, with an X, Y and Z coordinate. The graphical rendering technique is the only 2D thing in S3DB.

[@SFproductions1]

right, the graphical rendering technique is 2D, so it's not true 3D graphics

[@seanmorris440]

@@SFproductions1 Right, but the actual gameplay is 3D.

[@SFproductions1]

@@seanmorris440 right?

[@Tinker4bell]

Sega should have gotten sued for the false advertising on 06. And on top of that, the manual for 06 says there's a "shield" item, which isn't even present in the "final" version.

[@TheSultan1470]

Early build manuals and strategy guides are common...

[@crestofhonor2349]

A lot of games, especially back then, showed a ton of pre release and alpha footage of their games in very different states. There are a ton of games back then which show lots of features that never made it into the final game whether it be graphical effects that were cut due to performance reasons or gameplay options. Also you forget Sonic 06 was not only rushed to market by Sega but also had it's development team cut in half in the middle of development

[@Tinker4bell]

@@crestofhonor2349 True.

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

​​@@crestofhonor2349 I think games like sonic 06,sonic 4(even though you can tell it's low budget and low effort) and rise of lyrics pretty much faced this fate the other games that are bad such as secret rings and shadow the hedgehog are bad for very other reasons

[@ivonnesaysmiau]

​@user-vt6dd4kz5t the thing is sonic 4 uses rush physics which wouldn't work in a game that is meant to work like a classic sonic game, the rush engine is meant for games that play like... well, sonic rush (with features like advance's boost mode and r move, and rush's boost and trick system)

[@knowingjordankid]

First Sonic 3D Blast was called that but the cancelled version was Sonic Blast like what.

[@arbitrary_dumpster-fire]

i did not realize that there was this much false advertising bro holy shit 😭 i can even hear my boy SF struggling to contain his rage and not lose his sanity throughout the video

[@nekofoxfox]

In the Sonic Origins commercial, the phrase about “New Playable Characters” meant that you can play as those characters you couldn't in the original games (Tails and Knuckles in Sonic 1 and Tails in Sonic CD). The phrase is certainly loud, but it's understandable why they said so in the commercials. Fans won't consider these playable characters, but Sega was trying to market the game as a new experience for old fans who don't follow every game in the series (I think). Anyway, I'm glad Sonic Origins got fixed after a while and now it's not a bad compilation, but it's still expensive. Well, and I think that it is better in addition to fan ports that there would be official releases. I think that Origins is NOT useless, because I can't run decompilations, and only Sonic 3 AIR works properly. S1 Forever and S2 Absolute I don't like because of the weird new features. I've been wanting an official compilation like this for a long time with my favorite ports from 2011-2013. It's just like saying “Why an official Doom remaster if there is GZDoom”, although both ports make sense and for different purposes.

[@Venom-Boiii]

If Sonic games stopped having terrible development cycles, then maybe we could have gotten what we were promised. It so sad that most games in the series didn’t live up to their own expectations due to unfortunate circumstances. Hopefully the next mainline game will have a much smoother development.

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

Oh they better deliver! Because after the huge success of sonic frontiers you may heard of these news possibly such as: 1.Sega give sonic team a much higher bigger budget and hiring more developers for sonic team(more budget, manpower and talent) 2. Sonic frontiers 2 is going to have a bigger budget (the sequel) 3. A super game with the budget of 800,000,000 dollars going to get release in 2026 (which god damn... that's alot) 4. Apparently they have a new quality improvement system now..which I saw in an article and Midori herself(one of the most credible leaker in the sonic community) also talked about this whole quality focus system Sega has. So it appears that Sega has plans and a vision for the future and they better deliver and I'm expecting some good quality games in the future. And I'm not holding the bar for sonic low either after what I saw so yeah..they better deliver.

[@ivonnesaysmiau]

​@@JakeThehedgehog-m1xbut midori got exposed

[@Diogo85]

Which games are you referring to? Most Sonic games didn't have terrible development cycles.

[@puzzlegear9568]

The teaser trailer for Forces looked spectacular. I thought this game was gonna be Sonic's biggest game yet. And then it came out....

[@SuperSonicUltimate-YT]

Sonic Forces Marketing is sooo misleading Especially the Teaser Some much potential Wasted 😭😭

[@ZepMarioBros]

Wow, this video is really interesting and informative!

[@exfredds9001]

Thank god. Sega needs to stop doing this.

[@joostine3720]

I was not ready for the emotional whiplash of hearing Sonic colors planet wisp act 1 in the first second of the video😭

[@PunIntendedXP]

this is all for sonic's money laundering scheme

[@SonicFanFromScratch]

"I like money."

[@TheSultan1470]

.... *l0l*

[@daddad9978]

the Sonic 3D Blast Special Stage are in 3D on the Saturn Version So The Game Kinda Count as the first 3D Sonic Game But Sonic 3D Blast is a 3D game with 2D graphics Again The Game was Originally Developed On Genesis ( Mega Drive) so it Kinda make Sense why the Game Is the way Is It

[@snakey888]

To be fair, Sonic 3d makes better use of 3d than some of the polygonal games do.

[@KShelton3]

Unleashed is a good game but the werehog isn’t that great.Can people give unleashed credit?😢

[@cashbrady4074]

werehog is goated wdym

[@KShelton3]

@@cashbrady4074 I like it but most people don’t

[@burritobison7700]

So glad I played mania and didn’t follow any news for forces, the disappointment I would’ve had watching all those trailers is crazy

[@Yoshisaur77]

yet IGN still gave sonic 4 a 7.5

[@SonicFanFromScratch]

That's a crime in at least 14 states.

[@DemonDethchase]

And Eurogamer gave Episode 1 a 9/10, calling it the game Sega should have made 15 years ago... No, I am not making this up. I will at least say Episode 2 was much better than than the first, despite it locking Tails behind player 2 🙄

[@SonicFanBoy138]

​@DemonDethchase Well, that's just game journalists right there. Look how they did my boy Cuphead dirty. Dude didn't even pass the tutorial.

[@Supersonicspyro]

​@@DemonDethchaseor maybe sonic 4 is actually a decent game to most people outside of the hardcore fanboy circle? The game is fine based on its own merits, it's only "bad" because it doesn't have the same physics as the Genesis game, even though 4's physics work fine when you actually bother to understand them

[@ChaseyMcChaseyHead]

Go to a mental hospital if you think this game holds a candle to the legendary genesis games​@@Supersonicspyro

[@DarkCloudVA2]

tbh alot of these I wouldnt call false advertising. Alot of this comes from development issues and company meddling. Especially in Sonic 06's case. Had to push out an early build because Microsoft wanted a holiday release. That and the development team was cut in half to work on a wii port. Which turned into Sonic and the secret rings.

[@SFproductions1]

That's a fair point but I think it's still fun to talk about

[@DarkCloudVA2]

@@SFproductions1 Yeah that's fair. Just sucks just how much mismanagment can mess up a project

[@M64bros]

Already getting cyberpunk 2077 flashbacks

[@Alfielaw2003]

Me too

[@TheRealKyoni]

4:53 I don't think they necessarily meant the team behind those games, and yes while misleading I think they meant to hype you for a return to formula because those said games were boost titles, and because the previous game was Lost World they most likely figured going back to what worked is what fans would've liked hence the acknowledgement of Colors and Generations.

[@SFproductions1]

That's fair

[@zephyr8072]

Sonic Team: "And in this new Sonic game you ca.." Anakin: "LIAR!"

[@TankDudeYT]

More false advertising is Sonic Blast for the Game Gear. That game is literally the exact opposite of a blast.

[@BDSFormula1]

Barely even looks like Sonic

[@erioscorradetti1229]

The problem with sonic 4 is this: there is modern sonic playable in sonic 4 and sonic 4 is a classic game

[@jskywalker58]

is sonic 4 even canon to the sonic timeline cause i genuinely don't know

[@erioscorradetti1229]

@@jskywalker58 i think sonic 4 is the last classic game in the timeline, before sonic adventure

[@snakey888]

Sonic 4 is definitely not a classic game, not in terms of gameplay (homing attack chains, and the plethora of dash pads make it more modern Sonic) or in terms of quality (it's not great and timeless game).

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

@@erioscorradetti1229 The main problem with the game mostly is the physics and game itself just looks cheap..I mean the sequel did fixed the issues the first one had including the physics and the world itself looked better buuut it still wasn't good enough sadly.

[@da-sonic]

imagine if there was an actual 4th island in frontiers that was underwater and to not drown you entered the ruins of the ancient world ship

[@gabrielsofta944]

0:47 SONIC X SHADOW GENERATIONS is a remaster though. A remaster is a rerelease of an old game with a few touch-ups here and there, and that's exactly what that game is. 4:54 To be fair, it says the TEAM behind Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations, not the people. While it's not specifically false advertising, I think it definitely is still meant to be misleading. Also, including Chaos in the trailers isn't false advertising, as it's absolutely in the final game.

[@flarestorm9417]

Sonic Forces is still the most painful and egregious example of false advertising in a Sonic game for me. Imagine doing promos with a villain team-up, and only fighting 2/4 of the returning villains, not counting Eggman. And if you want to get pedantic, the Metal Sonic boss fight is the same as Infinite's third and final fight, so if you remove that, you only get a unique boss fight with Zavok. I wonder how they could've spent development resources if they just didn't include Classic Sonic (why is he even there?) and had Sonic Forces release the year after Sonic Mania. Sonic is already a yearly franchise, so why release two major games (Sonic Forces and Sonic Mania) in the same year?

[@TheSultan1470]

Mania is major?

[@snakey888]

@@TheSultan1470 Definitely. Best Sonic game in over 20 years.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

Sonic at that point wasn't a yearly franchise because Boom happened, 2015 had no Sonic games and then after that one last game for that brand and we were back to yearly for a bit only for no releases in 2018 (was going to be TSR but they delayed it) and I'm wishing they delayed Forces by a year and gave it more time to cook because maybe both it and TSR could have been given more time to be great

[@jskywalker58]

Seeing chaos return is ine of the things that got me interested in the game in first place so you can bet i was thrilled when we didn't even get to fight but him but got to fight zavok

[@carolineneh2791]

I wonder how 06 , Colors Ultimate would have look like when finished but hey we have Project Re-Rainbow and Project 06 to fill that void

[@pyskotaze]

this reminds me of something,earlier today,i was seeing the back of my xbox 360 copy of sonic '06 and i laughed at it because it said "over 10 action packed stages" and "10 formidable boss fights",this is false advertising at its its purest

[@snakey888]

Is it though? If I remember correctly, Sonic has 9 stages, while Silver and Shadow both have 8 each, so together it's more than 10. As for bosses, 1. Egg cerberus, 2. Egg Genesis, 3. Egg wyvern, 4. Iblis 1, 5. Iblis 2, 6. Iblis 3, 7. Mephiles, 8. Sonic, 9. Silver, 10. Shadow, 11. Solaris. Guess it is false, seeing as there are 11 bosses, and not 10.

[@pyskotaze]

@@snakey888 i think what they meant by that is that there are 10 different stage locations across every campaing,meaning that in every campaign there is wave ocean,kingdom valley,crisis city....etc,but this is still false advertising (btw you're 1 level off for each character,meaning that sonic has 10+tails wave ocean,shadow has 9+rouge tropical jungle,and silver has also nine but +blaze wave ocean ) as for the bosses though,you're right,or maybe they didn't count solaris which is kinda wierd because normaly we count the final boss in the bosses total

[@snakey888]

@@pyskotaze Delving into "what they meant" is honestly speculation. The fact is that there are more than 10 action stages in the game, so we cannot claim that their statement is false because they do not specify the nature of the action stages.

[@pyskotaze]

@@snakey888i don't really get what you mean by "the nature of the action stages",but yeah it is a speculation

[@snakey888]

@@pyskotaze Well, that there would be more than 10 stage locations in every campaign for instance, they did not specify that kind of thing. So taking their statement at face value, it is true. Except for the bosses, that one is false.

[@ddnava96]

For Sonic 3D Blast, even if the RENDERING is 2D, the GAME LOGIC is indeed 3D, as everything has values for x, y and z axis, which are then converted for the isometric projection

[@SonicCyber-Galaxy]

I Never Knew Any of This Bro thanks for the information you just earned yourself a Sub

[@patriziaperu]

Awesome vid as always :D but i wanna say some things: i have a few things to say on sonic origins plus 1 pouple where asking for these mobile ports with wide screen on consoles 2 there was not much ways to play sonic 3 and knuckles at the time specially if you dint own older consoles 3 i only had like 1 glitch but that glitch was the same as i got a time in the mobile port.

[@CAVFIFTEEN]

False advertising should be illegal. Companies shouldn’t be able to just lie to consumers and get away with it

[@That_Kasual_Gamer]

Bro really does have that Scott the woz ahh carpet

[@SFproductions1]

BRUHHHHHH

[@That_Kasual_Gamer]

@@SFproductions1 my bad it either that or I say that sonic colours ultimate and sonic 06 is very underrated so take your pick

[@TheSultan1470]

Probably just as dirty

[@SpeedstersUnited]

False Advertising is Insane Work

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

I'm sorry but... What? ☠️ This entire video boils down to either "I don't like this game" or "this game didn't meet my expectations", no false advertising 5 minutes into it. Sorry bruh but this one ain't it, first video of yours I'm not fond of. Don't take this as hate, take it as an opinion, I don't think this was that good 👍 (if I get blasted in the comments for even voicing this it will be hilarious)

[@SFproductions1]

you good fam im just tryna explain how the misleading marketing of some of these games altered perception for some people

[@WaffleYabbler]

I mean… he wasn’t lying? There literally is false advertising. It doesn’t boil down to “this didn’t meet my expectations” if the subject itself says it’s one thing and is another.

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

@@WaffleYabbler 06 was what it was advertised, Sonic 4: Episode I was what it was advertised, Rise of Lyric was what it was advertised, Forces was what it was advertised, they simply (to some or many) didn't end up being what people wanted. Being disappointed in a game doesn't make it false advertising.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

​@KOTSOSMC2002 Forces did have some false/misleading advertising in the sense that they claimed it was from the same team that brought us Sonic Colors and Generations when it technically wasn't. They used that as a blanket statement for Sonic Team when most of the team that actually worked on the game was new staff and some Colors designers like Kishimoto, because by this point any leftover Generations staff were making Mario and Sonic games

[@WaffleYabbler]

@@KOTSOSMC2002 well the thing about false advertising is that it doesn’t have to be a different game. In this case, false advertising would be like Frontiers’s case where there aren’t 5 separate islands. There were 3 islands, 1 of which was spread apart. 06 really wasn’t what was advertised. Many parts of what was promised just didn’t appear. For example, that day night cycle was actually part of the E3 advertisement stated at the interview segment. Sonic 4 isn’t false advertisement imo.

[@theoneandonly-qs1uw]

the sonic colors ultimate part makes no sense, it's a Wii of course it's gonna have lower resolution plus like it's not even false advertising??? you're just assuming things???

[@deathsonicexe]

I love the thumbnail. Sonic has dollar signs in his eyes. 😂😂😂

[@stardustpointone]

notice how he doesn't bring up generations this is because generations is a perfect game

[@shrobbyy]

4:56 putting this screen on a Mario Odyssey trailer would be more true than it was on Sonic Forces, which is incredibly sad, because a lot of people that made Unleashed, Colors and Generations hopped over to Nintendo and worked on Odyssey.

[@RG31_Official]

Before I bought Sonic Superstars I remember being told that it was developed 'by the team that made sonic mania', no it was actually made 'by the team that made balan's wonderworld and yoshi's new island', no wonder why the game had loads of problems and is one of the worst 2D sonic games.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

Wait who told you that? SEGA definitely didn't, in fact they were pretty open that Arzest was making it, because Iizuka said in interviews that it exists because he and Naoto Ohshima kept in touch during COVID and they wanted to make a new Sonic game since the latter left Sonic Team 20+ years ago at that point. The most anyone else said was that Evening Star had some involvement to the team so they got the physics right (which they did, with small changes here and there) and they're given special thanks in the credits. That, and the original concepts for the game were birthed from their old pitch before they went to make their own game. I'd also say one of the worst 2D Sonic games is a stretch, but I won't say the game isn't without problems. I'd just put it more firmly around the middle because I like it more than some of the other ones but I also prefer a lot of better ones.

[@RG31_Official]

@@LeopoldLitchenstein Some KZbin Short, can't remember who said that.

[@RG31_Official]

Sonic Superstars is still better than Sonic 4: Episode 1 and 2, Sonic 1, Sonic CD and the game gear games that I never usually count as mainline games.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

@@RG31_Official They definitely misspoke then, because before Superstars was even announced we knew about Penny's Big Breakaway coming out from Evening Star (which some Arzest/Sonic Team staff are also given special thanks on)

[@RG31_Official]

@@LeopoldLitchenstein That is what I thought.

[@Alexifeu]

Sonic 4 is notalgic. I recently olayed through it again and I actually liked it that time at least a little. It gets too much hate. But Sonic 4 Episode 2 is superb.

[@thismandoesntexist7814]

Okay am, I have problems with this video. Using Sonic 2006 as an example, trailers usually use preliminary or unfinished content or even content that never makes it to the game or final product, this is very common, it even happens with movies. This happened in 2006, preliminary and conceptual content was used, since the game was not finished and in general they were videos to show the concept of the game, which is the objective of these trailers. This also happens with Sonic Boom, it’s a normal practice, even Nintendo does it. Also... Sonic 4 is not a lie at all, yes... you may not like it but in itself, I consider them pretty "good" games, not perfect but… meh are kinda entertaining , but... beyond the problems, there is nothing wrong with them being called Sonic 4, for god's sake Rayman 2 does not look like the 1, it is only called Rayman 2 because it follows the first, that Sonic 4 is not identical to Sonic 1-3 does not mean anything, the story of the game makes it clear that this happens after Sonic 3 and follows the events of the previous games, so yes, it is Sonic 4. 5:39 No? I mean, yeah, it was disappointing and they wasted it bur they never said "Defeat all of Sonic's previous bosses" they just showed you that they would appear in the story, they didn't promise you anything. 5:53 They never say that, it’s like saying "In Sonic Mania they showed so much of Studiopolis that it implied it would be the first level", It is not "False Advertisement" if there is no Advertisement. 6:13 Yes, Sonic Forces' level design is very simple (LIKE COLORS), what does that have to do with the False Advertisement? 7:11 I feel this is unnecessary. 7:17 Ah… okay… just… talk about the false advertisement. 7:46 What… what does that mean? 7:57 Sonic Origins was intended to be an accessible entry for new fans coming from the movie or the modern games, as well as clarifying the history of the classic games and giving them a more polished continuity that didn't need external content to explain the story like manuals, I'm not saying Sonic Origins is perfect but it had a logical purpose. It also made accessible Sonic 3 & Knuckles which are (let's say 1 game to simplify) that have not received a port unlike the other 3 games and the only way to play it was through emulators. 8:03 *YEAH BUT THAT BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT THE TARGET AND ALSO, THE MAJORITY OF THE CASUAL PUBLIC DOESN’T PLAY ON PC* 8:53 I Mean… if we’re talking about lore… yes… there are only 3… if we’re talking about gameplay, yes there are 5… again, yes, maybe they were disappointing but… they are still 2 huge areas… explorable… by the way the idea of ​​separating them was the best decision because if not, we would have an absurdly huge initial area and 2 tiny ones (in comparison) and to top it off, it would give performance problems, the idea of ​​separating the first island into 3 was good since it balances the space of the islands and avoids the performance problems that it could give. 9:32 Mh, that's weird, I thought that's what Mania fans liked, grass and more grass, I guess it only works when it's Green Hill, btw the *FULL F/CKING 2 FINAL ISLANDS ARE A STORY FOCUS WHAT TF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT* I feel like this video has a very personal approach and not very general, it feels more like a "Things I don't like about Sonic" than a video about… False Advertisement in the Sonic franchise.

[@thismandoesntexist7814]

1:45 Btw, Sonic 3D Blast was a critical and financial subset in his era, this is not a complaint about the video itself, but I think many people don't know that… Sonic never had a “bad transition to 3D” his first 3D games (even counting 3D Blast even though technically it isn't 3D) in fact… they had a good reception by critics and sales, another fun fact is that most of those who say that Sonic only has bad games haven't played any Sonic games beyond Sonic 1-3 and Mania and they will always tell you that Sonic had to stick to 2D and that Mania has no mistakes and it’s a "perfect game", if someone tells you that, run, that guy doesn't wash himself.

[@ericselim254]

Um, do you realize that isometric is by definition 3d? Even if it's rather primitive compared to Mario 64 or Crash Bandicoot, it literally has movement in three dimensions. It might use a set camera, but so do a number of 3d Playstation games, like Crash. It might also use prerendered graphics, but again, so did a number of 3d PS1 games, like Resident Evil (which also uses a set camera). So I dunno what arbitrary definition of 3d you're going by.

[@ChaseMC215]

He never mentioned Traveler's Tales once when he was talking about Sonic 3D Blast, instead only mentions Sega, as if they developed the game themselves.

[@SFproductions1]

Travelers tales doesnt do any of the marketing lmfao thats on SEGA

[@puca4313]

The matketing for frontiers in general was a mess. The ign month was awful, so awful that a nintendo direct showcased the game better. There was sega not letting people record or show off cyberspace (but people still did). And this led to the discovery that cyberspace was just recycled layouts

[@sw4g017]

Sonic 4 is in my opinion, the worst Sonic game ever, yet ign gave it an 8/10 💀💀💀💀

[@snakey888]

Eh, as a game it's completely serviceable, it's not broken like 06, or unstable like Unleashed.

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@snakey888 In what way is Unleashed unstable? It's performance isn't too different form many 7th gen games. If you forget the performance of many big games during the 7th gen barely held to 30fps. Performance for games wouldn't really get better until the 8th generation

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

​​@@snakey888 you haven't seen an unstable game yet...play Pokemon scarlet & violet then you will see what is an unstable game really is!

[@snakey888]

@@crestofhonor2349 It fluctuates quite a lot. The most notable example is Jungle joyride act 1 day, where the framerate drops into single digits during one of the water running sections. Along with it are eaten inputs, which are very bad for a Sonic game, especially one as fast paced as Unleashed. Compare that to Generations, sure it's only 30 fps on consoles, but it's stable 30 fps.

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@snakey888 I’m not saying its performance is good. I’m saying its performance wasn’t any different to plenty of other 7th gen games which had very poor performance. I am familiar with how bad the frame rate can get with Adabat, especially in the jungle areas with heavy foliage

[@SillyEwe]

I will never forgive Sonic Advance 2 for false advertising on the back of the box. It advertises the tiny chao garden, which was the whole reason I wanted the game. However, it did not tell you that you have to get the true ending of the game, which I heard after buying the game that it was tough as nails. It was the first time as a kid where I just only played the game once or twice before giving up on it.

[@ChimpManZ1264]

The thing I thought saved Origins was that the Mobile remakes were brought to Console, they reworked Sonic 3 & Knuckles with better animations and made better soundtracks for Super Sonic and the Final Boss defeated cutscene, as well as Sonic CD being console available for the first time since Sega consoles were discontinued. What was disappointing was they picked Game Gear Sonic Spinball instead of the Genesis version.

[@Deimosthegreat]

The hilarious part about Sonic 4 is you can still see them calling it "Sonic the Portable" in the background of some stages. That's FUNNY. That's really freaking hilarious and I still laugh about that years later. To think people initially defended the game saying it was just a modern take so "give it a chance".

[@colinjackson-xn9ro]

Funny thing, sonic origins was actually my first time experiencing sonic cd as well as Sonic 3 & knuckles. I also got the remastered Sonic colors ultimate because I wanted to try the game.

[@keen7youtubeistoast796]

"Friends Online: 10" Weird flex, but ok.

[@therollingcreeper1]

It should've been called Sonic Isometric Blast.

[@thevioletskull8158]

Ah Sonic X Shadow isn't a remastered,damn it Sega. Also 3D blast music slaps.

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

At this point...idc I just want generations to be solid I don't want another colors ultimate

[@snakey888]

It is a remaster, the resolution and framerate has been increased as is typical of remasters.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

It's a remaster, I don't know why he said that. They just took a less is more approach with it and touched up things that were necessary like framerate and small things with the graphics

[@ClassicSonic-pe1sz]

Sonic 3D Blast was going to be released for the SEGA Genesis and it would be hard for it to be 3D on the Genesis so they had to make it isometric but I don’t know why they had to rerelease it on the SEGA Saturn when they already had the Genesis version which they can just fix because Jon Burton is great at games and they could make it 3D

[@JacobHudley-o8p]

The island with the tower DEF could of been a snowy one LIKE MAKE IT INTRESTING

[@SonictheHedgehog-qy9df]

They did say that Shadow and Chaos were going to be bosses and more bosses that exists in the game but different and other past old bosses from other Sonic games in the null space level were going to be added but they were scrap

[@TahaTheArtist]

Even if we're far from the era where sega rivalled nintendo, this really shows the difference between the two regarding project management. Nintendo were almost always happy to give their game projects the breathing room and even push release dates back to ensure a good final product while Sega was always rushing resulting in a mess come the finish line. Oh well. Gotta go fast, I guess.

[@delaneyelekes8660]

I love Frontiers, but man its marketing was misleading. When they announced the game, they had that cutscene where Sonic was running from something before turning at that cliff. The way he looks surprised to see... something? Makes this look like an in-game opening cutscene. Then there was that pre-rendered shot with the giant robot stomping that just... never happened. Several renditions of in-game cutscenes but pre-rendered and far higher quality. They made it look like this game was relying a lot on pre-rendered cutscenes, returning to a style similar to Sonic Unleashed in that regard. But no? It almost makes the trailers leading up to the release feel like remnants of cut content, I mean- Why else would they make SO MANY insanely high quality yet disconnected animations for the game? They didn't do this when advertising other Sonic games. Maybe with how many in-game locations got changed around, these pre-rendered cutscenes were rendered outdated last second so they had to resort to only using in-game cutscenes for the final game...? I don't know.

[@kolkagaming1234]

Atleast Sonic 06 isn’t Cursed with Lies, unlike Sonic Forces.

[@SuperSonic64-64]

I actually really LIKE the music from Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 and 2

[@jerryalexis576]

Pretty sure Sonic 3D blast was originally Spindrift, not just Sonic Blast

[@RG31_Official]

I kinda believe the theory that the version of Sonic 06 that was released was actually an earlier version of the game which is why in the manual it includes things which aren't actually in the game.

[@TheSultan1470]

I mean, games often come with dated manuals, because they are made during production. I'm a GTA fan and the San Andreas manual has lots of beta bits and pieces such as the removed adrenaline pick ups from III/VC.

[@ivythay4259]

I'm surprised you didn't go over Sonic Heroes's false advertising. It was said in interviews that this would be Sonic "going back to his roots" after the escalation of the Adventure games. Of course, what actually happened was the release of a game that was by far the biggest departure from the classic games that we've seen thus far in most regards.

[@billyboleson2830]

The version of sonic 06 seen in the trailers was a different build with more polish that was scrapped

[@That1One-Guy]

“Experience sonic like never before”

[@shangkay6918]

Sonic Superstars: I liked the game didn’t even count the zones but I still had fun even tho I struggled Sonic Forces: also kinda liked the game still kinda struggled mostly the final boss Sonic Colors Ultimate: I sucked at the game but I did still have fun didn’t encounter any bugs or glitches the bad thing is that I just sucked at it

[@glowisbored]

man I wish sega wasn’t so good at false advertising-

[@juguetesdivertidosconlunay6935]

AMAZING video as always! Keep up the great work

[@SFproductions1]

Thanks a ton!

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

False advertising? More like truth advertising 🗿

[@mediamuncher69]

8:04 we already have Sonic origins mobile ports and mods, am I right!?

[@mechajay3358]

2:18 Its probably because they made the trailer before they could begin development on the game. That's could been a clue of how poorly 06 turned out in hindsight.

[@elliotsturtplus340]

Considering the fact sonic “4” literally takes zones from other games and also uses classic like music not to mention the game following the whole sonic 1 to 3 formula if anything the game should’ve been called Sonic Retro

[@omegaflowey9932]

They still have the "new playable characters" in the sonic origins plus trailer.

[@MinionProductions1]

bro was gone for like 8-9 days and came back with more goated content

[@WaterKirby1994]

With Rise of Lyric BRB should have expected the game would need to be playable for Wii U considering the Sonic Series history after going 3rd Party. Sega just rejected the cool aspects the game was supposed to have like Dragon Chao, BRB rejected the possibility that the game would need to play on Nintendo's Underpowered 8th Gen Console despite how obvious Wii U getting the game was. The only innocent hand in that fiasco was Nintendo.

[@katakisLives]

Wasn't Sonic 3D always called that and it was a megadrive game that got an upgrade to fill the gap that Sonic Extreme left.

[@Essu_]

3D Blast wasn’t called 3D because of X-Treme being cancelled. X-Treme didn’t get cancelled until almost a year after 3D Blast released. On top of that, 3D Blast was only ported to Saturn specifically because of X-Treme being delayed, not cancelled. The Genesis version was always going to happen. Now take a shot every time I say 3D Blast.

[@SFproductions1]

Thanks for the info !

[@nekofoxfox]

Somehow, I don't get the same way I've been hating on Sonic 4 up until now. Especially when I've played some of the games on Game Gear.

[@Exmotable]

still pisses me off that playable amy, and knuckles in cd is locked to the origins dlc, which is more expensive than the mania plus dlc that adds mighty and ray

[@HUGO2005DJ]

Sonic Colors coming to PS4 and PC with the ultimate edition felt like a big win to me. Game looks great, not sure what all the hate is about.

[@toopienator]

Bro turned into Scott the Woz: Sonictuber Edition Honestly I fw it

[@SFproductions1]

hell yeah glad someone noticed the inspiration

[@KaydenSonic2000]

Putting Sonic 3D Blast in there is crazy