How Sonic Frontiers Was Saved

[@royburns5594]

I feel like sonic has been on a redemption arc ever since the first movie came out.

[@NKL3085]

If sega hadn't produced 20 years of dogshit, sonic wouldn't need one

[@SonicLegends]

It really has in showing Sega that Sonic is still a force to be reckoned with considering how the general audience reacted to the very first Sonic design enough to make Paramount do the unprecedented move to delay and redesign him. We see the movie's influence in Sonic's cinematic for max boost and how we've gotten a return to lore with Frontiers and the update has even expanded on it in regard to Chaos with his forms based off the others tribes from what Sonic discusses why some titans he has come across look different in his side quest talk with Sage. I like to think that Chaos 3 if it had appeared would have been based off the winged tribe and Chaos 5 would be the more accurate four legs tribe whereas Chaos 6 has six legs, so it's an evolution/deviation of sorts much like how Chaos 1 and Chaos 2 are based off the muscular tribe plus we have Chaos 4 based off the tribe with no legs and having only a tail then lastly of course Chaos 0 is based off the intelligent tribe that was the one that survived.

[@Jonrocks7]

Yep

[@Lojored03]

The Sonic Movie officially marked the end of the Meta Era and the start of a new one :D

[@Mallard_of_May14]

I agree with the first and second movie being liked by the majority of audiences it was about time the games followed suit

[@redbop_]

this update gives me so much hope for the next mainline game kinda wish the other characters had more combat abilities honestly

[@royburns5594]

Same

[@SrMissileMonkey]

I think as a first foray into having other characters playable in a 3D sonic game since Sonic 06 _(17 years ago)._ This was pretty good. A test drive for what's to come if you will. Hopefully they take the critique from this game and improve on the next one with more refined character movesets and interactions with the environment

[@redbop_]

@@SrMissileMonkey oh yeah for sure, im guessing the reason tails knuckles and amy’s playstyles werent as fleshed out is because they had the most time developing and refining how sonic controls.

[@sourlab]

​@@redbop_If their gonna make the next game open world too I would recommend bigs big world way you remember that big the cat fangame that had like every iconic sonic location in one massive map

[@SrMissileMonkey]

@lettucesauce. yeah they were adding new playstyles and movesets and mechanics to a game designed for Sonic specifically, while being 17 years removed from the last time they did it. It was gonna be jank no matter how much they tried to accommodate them when creating their various platforms (I like the return of Tail's boost rings) without needing to default to creating a whole new game.

[@Xtreme-qk5qg]

When sonic said, "consider this your final frontier!" I felt that😢

[@OMR3333]

I feel like the "bad omen" joke will be a part of sonic's history for many years to come, and I love it

[@MineWizardVR]

​@@OMR3333 Even tho it's from a fan game. That's how I feel to, gotta love exiled

[@matthewisguy7336]

@@OMR3333 Yeah that’s interesting and funny

[@OMR3333]

@@MineWizardVR It's like Eggman pissing on the moon, because that is also not official stuff

[@MineWizardVR]

@@OMR3333 True

[@an_ancient_architect2889]

To explain the spider boss, it will instantly get destroyed if you cyloop it 3 times before it gets back up

[@game84cube]

It does?!

[@an_ancient_architect2889]

@@game84cube ye, i found out by accident

[@evdestroy5304]

No fucking way

[@an_ancient_architect2889]

@@evdestroy5304 Way

[@evdestroy5304]

@@an_ancient_architect2889 I'm in shambles rn 💀

[@blueblitz283]

Looking at what the final horizon update brought to the table, i am now a firm believer that if they go into the next game with that same kind of love and care, they'll knock it out the park

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

if they go into it with the same "love and care" it will be a mess, just like this update. these games need more time to perfect what they are.

[@f0il3d_gg65]

Yeah bro, even having some issues, they showed us they are listening and want to make the games a good experience for us

[@mythicalthings1796]

​@@Invalourrr-vb3xoYou... Realize that's not the devs fault, right? Blame corpos for not giving them time to cook. Cause all the bones of a great update and game are there, but they needed time to flesh it out. Hell blame Sega for the original ending fucking sucking cause they're afraid to embrace the anime shit Sonic was doing this whole game.

[@kjdakid23]

not gonna lie. i was pleased with “the end” ending on hard mode so this update was a plus to me

[@ccelite3782]

The Supreme End went stupidly hard for no reason

[@i_like_videogames9517]

@@ccelite3782Well, once you learn what you need to do it’s not that hard… The 5th trial was the hardest part for me.

[@ccelite3782]

@@i_like_videogames9517 by "hard" I meant it was insanely cool

[@i_like_videogames9517]

@@ccelite3782 Fax

[@SilveraLordz]

I also loved the original the end secret boss, but I also love the Tohou series, so seeing the pay off to the hacking minigames was hype for me and unlike anything in the rest of the game on hard The End took multiple attempts from me ❤

[@pinhe4d321]

One of the very few Sonictubers to give this update 3 respect. Thank you!

[@sahaprocks7751]

Respect? No it’s just that other people didn’t like it

[@forgarate0648]

There are several Sonic tubers giving this update respect.

[@best_mate456]

@@sahaprocks7751there were people not liking it because is too hard

[@chucky110]

​@@best_mate456No, there were people not liking it because the update is meh

[@sahaprocks7751]

@@chucky110 it’s kinda both

[@dip.918]

I'm gonna be honest, I REALLY liked climbing the towers. I set my de-acceleration to maximum and it was way more fun to get creative with the tight platforming.

[@mookraw23]

My settings have always been cranked down because I'm a control freak, so I wasn't dealing with alot of the issue some of the other players are having.

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

i only had a good time with a few of them, some were just frustrating and stressful, which I suppose may have been the point.

[@blueblox5311]

1v

[@Timothyrpiano]

Climbing up those towers felt like hell

[@NaveKnights]

Such a god damn insane finale, yes this dlc isn't perfect but its god damn amazing. Im freaking in love with sonics new forms and the new kickass Im Here remix and this has become my favourite sonic game ever. I dont care what anyone says.

[@sourlab]

We can all have our problems but the fact that we got this all of this FOR FREE I just want to thanks sonic team

[@riniabraham5579]

Not perfect? It’s better than your favorite food I’m sure

[@NaveKnights]

@@riniabraham5579 What I mean is that the dlc is still a bit buggy and there is there a few parts of the game where it can feel really unbalanced, especially in terms of difficulty. The first 2 trials were absurdly difficult and yet the next two were super easy and then the final one... do I need to explain? You understand where I'm coming from though right?

[@MUI_Noam12]

nah fam dont say its perfect. nothing truly is.@@riniabraham5579

[@NaveKnights]

@@riniabraham5579 Nah Sonic Frontiers *IS* my favourite food. I'd eat it for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper any day and everyday!

[@kahboom76]

Besides the 5th trial and the skill trees for the 3 characters being moveset based instead of combat, I enjoyed Update 3 overall and it strengthens Frontiers to be my favorite Sonic game. Also I have a theory that this update might be testing not just the current characters but also 4 gameplay classifications for future playable characters within the Open Zone. Like Shadow playing similar to Sonic or Rouge playing like Knuckles ect...

[@marshyboy4637]

I think it was confirmed that this was a test for how the other characters came be played

[@speedboy8038]

I personally loved the moveset based skill trees

[@kahboom76]

@@speedboy8038 Sonic had access to his moveset from the start and the other characters lacking combat makes fighting guardians feel kinda off. I get why they made these skill trees as Frontiers was made pacifically for Sonic while the characters are just extra, but this is just how I felt.

[@GrassyBoy]

Personally, once I unlocked the spindash for all the characters as well as the cyclone for Tails, infinite glide for Knuckles, and the hamster wheel with the drift as Amy, I found the characters to be so much more fun. Especially Amy. I love just zooming around Ouranos island just drifting all over the place.

[@highlandstorm0137]

I loved this update. The level of difficulty is really fun compared to the usual, really fucking easy, games we get.

[@best_mate456]

That’s the thing Sega needs to satisfy the casual and the hard core player at the same time

[@highlandstorm0137]

Im peak casual lol but what we normally get is really easy, but yeah I agree.

[@best_mate456]

My god update 3 was my favourite I just finish all the quest now is cyberspace (which is going to be a lot of fun) The final boss is confirmed to be the best boss in the whole entire series for me

[@eliezersarcos7813]

I love this update so much man i dont really know why i just love it mostly that final boss that final boss WAS AMAZINFFF

[@BerntheRealist]

This is the best positive review of Sonic Frontiers and The Updates I've seen yet. Everything you said in this video, I couldn't agree more. After playing all the Updates, The new Final Boss and Ending: I am proud to say that Sonic Frontiers is My Favorite Sonic Game of all time. The fact that Sonic Team made all of this for free is Mind Blowing. I can't believe they actually pulled this off. All & All: Great Vid, Man. Thank You!😁🙏🏾🤘🏽💙

[@autismandgaming4532]

Meanwhile Scott the woz says update 3 is "f***ing abysmal"

[@BarksWolfy]

When I tell you I bounced around my room with excitement during that final fight, I bounced like there was no tomorrow. This game feels redeemed, dude.

[@AnDeviGG]

The only reason I got into sonic frontiers was 1. “WILL THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW YOUR NAMEEEEEEEE” Find your Flame 2. Sonic

[@Simp4Gwyn]

I personally had a tone of fun with this new update. But the end battle and trials felt kinda jank. I've been playing this game since launch so for me, being avle to play as new characters with new physics and abilities was VERY refreshing and super fun.

[@1DAR26]

Here's a tip for parrying Wyvern by utilizing the Perfect Parry. Pause buffer. It helps you by slowing down its attacks ftame by frame. It also helps you figure out just WHEN to time your Parry. Once you get the general understanding on timing your parry you'll gradually progress to no longer needing to pause buffer. Also, learning to utilize the Perfect Parry will help you against The End.

[@Eevee860]

Turn it to easy so you get 2 seconds for perfect parrying to make the worst mechanic to ever exist in any sonic game not get in the way as much

[@Andy-g6k]

What is pause buffering???

[@1DAR26]

@@Andy-g6k pausing and unpausing every frame you can.

[@Andy-g6k]

@@1DAR26 ok

[@MrNeedleM0use]

IVE WAITED FOR THIS VIDEO THIS ENTIRE DAY MAN ITS PEAK!

[@tundraghost429]

Welp now we know for sure this franchise is in good hands which no fan can deny. Can’t wait to see what the next game is gonna have

[@benjaminscott3526]

Updates can go a long way, man. And I totally think Frontiers deserves to get reviewed again. (And by that I mean the game should get new review scores now that Frontiers is at it's completed state.) Only time will tell what Superstars has to offer.

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

i couldn't possible imagine any large reviewer viewing this undercooked mess positively lol.

[@RealmsSMPStudios]

Honestly, I’m surprised I managed to beat that boss on the 3rd try, because they went from Extreme Mode, to Absurd Mode, to Absurdity Ludicrous mode, all in one update, the difficulty of that final boss, was insane!

[@UltraSTH]

15:51 so, I actually found this out, but there’s ways to INSTANTLY KO some of the new guardians Spider+ and Silver Hammer can be instantly KO’d if you Quick Cyloop (or whatever equivalent your character has to it) their weak points three times (I know for a fact for Silver Hammer but not really for Spider+)

[@AlvinPlayz997]

Fun fact: If you haven't unlocked the spindash and do the new story, when you play as Sonic, the spindash is actually given to you for free because the new cyber space stages are made with the spindash in mind so if you don't have it, the game gave it to me for free without unlocking it

[@darkblade_fp1847]

The only catch is (for me it happened like so when trying) You can't take it to new game + unless you unlocked it through its original method

[@AlvinPlayz997]

@@darkblade_fp1847 Honestly I like only unlocking it at the end of the game because it gives me the feeling of "There is a big threat aproaching, here take this power-up"

[@Snorlax0912]

8 hours of hard work paid off

[@Super_Sonic_gamer714]

Idea for what the 100% reward should be. FREE ROAM SUPER SONIC!!! He would be a reskin, and cost rings (1 ring per second) then the changes to the boost. His normal speed would be the same as the boost before you get max rings at lvl 98. His only boost would be a power boost that wouldn’t drain the boost gauge or rings. His air boost would be like a short flight, it would last 5 seconds but he would loose 10 rings per second. I think that would be asking too much from them, but since mods have done way more, I think it wouldn’t be that hard to add. They already have the super sonic model, so just change some stats, find a way to transform, than boom. That would be super awesome.

[@dylanvincenty-cole2714]

I will thank updates for improving upon the game and giving new content Frontiers I loved even before the updates but they got me more play time and help me improve in the game and was just awesome to play with other characters and a more fitting end to the story Frontiers will always be my favorite Sonic Game because it has put my faith back into future games back also awesome video you did great:)

[@HectorCotto97]

I enjoyed the recent updates, Spin Dash and Boosting with the slow down setting being as low as possible makes traveling across the open world a dream. Recently the new playable characters came out without me being aware of it, I haven't gone very far with the new content but I can say that without a doubt I absolutely LOVED playing as Ami, she started not that great but after leveling her up I had a blast playing as her, and her triple jump and her infinite glide as well as her other move set made me enjoy playing as her almost as much if not a little more than playing with Sonic. I haven't gotten around to playing as Knuckles or Tails yet so I can't say anything about that but I'm overall pleased with the new updates.

[@armplay1382]

Man, can you ever think that this already happened? How many speeches we had for these updates... And now it is released. I have no words. Fully agreed with your opinion and ya know what? If this game will get update 3.5 that fixes practically every glitch, bug etc., this game will be 11/10. Just check it, man

[@stardustruntor4110]

Not sure if most people don't notice this Dramatic Attack Scene at 24:12 But it is amazing to see a reference to when IDW Super Sonic dominated Chaos Powered Zavok in the Metal Virus arc

[@headphones_guy777]

I just noticed while watching this video but, Cyber Sonic kinda looks like Fleetway Sonic when he goes Super. That's a neato reference, intentional or otherwise

[@toekneemart5597]

22:05 I found his missles to actually be the easy part at least in comparison to having to actually perry his direct attacks(plus missing a missle is only a small setback in comparison)

[@Rico3D567]

Same I found the missiles the easy part it was his direct attacks that kept on getting me

[@4rttyzz575]

I saw some people saying that they're worried about the next game bc of how difficult this dlc was, but they forget that in update 2, they brought the new koco challenges, which was a little harder than base game, so this difficulty spike is mostly exclusive of this dlc. It's not confirmed, but Kishimoto said they'll reconsider revisiting the adventure formula, which I'm all here for it

[@JackDout]

The files really do call the upgraded super form, supersonic2

[@BurstFlare]

I completely agree with you on the Perfect Parry timing, it's just way too strict. Also, I wish the Another Story towers had checkpoints like the Rhea Island towers did. As for The End, I had absolutely *zero* idea how to beat it until I looked for the answer online and found it on Reddit of all places, and I was just like "how the frick was I supposed to know I had to sidestep while attacking its head to target the cable?!"

[@best_mate456]

Other than that cable issues did you have a nice time fighting against the end

[@BurstFlare]

@@best_mate456 Once I knew what to do, yeah. The fight itself felt pretty fair, though I was actually playing it on easy mode, and even then I missed some parry timings, so I can only imagine how frustrated I'd be if I was still on hard mode like I was before doing Master King's trial (which is the same trial that made me switch to easy mode in the first place).

[@deaglelord5133]

I’m with on the difficulty. I haven’t even gotten to the top of the first tower yet, or beaten one of the guardians. I found this dlc stressful and rage-inducing. For me it took the fun out of the game

[@best_mate456]

@@BurstFlare how about normal

[@BurstFlare]

@@best_mate456 Haven't tried normal yet, nor do I want to. I'm still suffering aftereffects of the stress Hard gave me, and I feel even normal will cause me more stress.

[@yrrr4871]

It's insane how much Sonic Team bounced back

[@copingflower1909]

I felt slightly annoyed when they made update 3 a simple option rather then a full replacement to the original ending, but I got over it quickly cause it serves as a good objective to go for when you beat the game with the I guess decanonized ending where Sage dies but not really

[@yrrr4871]

I remember back when IGN released the first gameplay trailer of this game. Man after seeing a consistent decline in quality of there recent games and then seeing that gameplay trailer made me think Sonic Team was about to go bankrupt

[@AbdulAhad-hx1ft]

It was a mix bag of high and lows for me. (Kinda like the base game lol) The the towers and the new cyberspace stages were great, but the jank/lack of polish and the artificial difficulty spikes really brings this update down imo

[@ultimatedumbass4640]

Exactly how I feel tbh

[@Eevee860]

The cyberspace levels and towers are part of that garbage unfair difficulty spike, that white forest level was not designed to work with frontiers at all, and the spindash being broken and being required is a bad thing, it controls like ass and should be optional in the dlc

[@AbdulAhad-hx1ft]

@@Eevee860 Nah the platforming is actually fun the level design of the cyberspace levels got nothing on previous entrees in the series but it at least kept me entertained enough

[@best_mate456]

I think the platforming is nothing The problem with the base game platform is 2D, automatic and easy jump Update 3 has none of those issues

[@CornerDeAmir1245]

NEW CHANNEL MEMBER BABEEY!! na but srsly, great vid mate

[@SFproductions1]

YOOO WELCOME

[@CornerDeAmir1245]

@@SFproductions1 TYTY

[@Cliffordlonghead]

​@@SFproductions1hi

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

I wish we got even more music in update 3, like the lyrical, hype themes in this game, Endless Possibility, Reach For The Stars (original version), It Doesn’t Matter (SA2 version), Amy music variety, Knuckles music variety, and Tails music variety.

[@michaeleverett1376]

I know and to make things worse, we can't even use the jukebox in the new ouranos island.

[@JediSteve-J3-]

Props to sega for actually finishing the campaign for one of, if not their biggest IP. Unfortunately that's more than I can say about Microsoft and Halo Infinite.

[@Natezilla_2]

*Terminal Apotos* of all people gave this update a 9/10 That should tell you how good this update was

[@FailedDaniel]

well said and overall a great video keep it up. I watched a video yesterday from another youtuber complaining about the difficulty with the new trials and towers so this is a provides good comparison between two different types of players.

[@VongolaXZax]

Man, words cannot express how much I felt, when Sonic went Super Sonic 2! That was sooooo awesome, when Sonic snap his fingers bringing supreme/The End to the ground and when you parry, he simply just waved his hand. My favorite part was Sonic transforming back after he got knocked down, man, people can say what they want to say with the Dragon Ball comparisons, but it genuinely reminded me of Goku and Vegeta in a good way,( but still Super Sonic 2 in his own personality) Sonic Team went hard with the Final Horizon update! I was literally in awe.

[@gatst7680]

23:59 you mention here that the Supreme fight has a previously scrapped quick time event? Is that the one shown in the video or is there another that you didn't get footage of? I can't find anybody else talking about this so I'm wondering if I missed it or something

[@SFproductions1]

It's not in the video, no. But apparently it was a previously scrapped QuickTime event that was found in the files of the game. But it was restored in update 3

[@bestgifttanada9139]

The final horizon reminds me of how they did the final story in SA2 and 06. In SA2 they team up to save Earth and 06 they teamed up to collect the chaos emeralds to revive sonic and they don't have interaction in the final story, they just do one cutscene of them planning to do something, and now they got multiple in-game cutscenes on how these characters feel in their situation. You can correct me if I'm wrong but this is just my opinion. And I like it

[@Kudaaaaa54]

The moment I saw cyber sonic I immediately thought of fleet way because of his sharpened teeth and bloodthirsty eyes

[@nintoforgi]

I really wish they could work the spindash into Sonic's main kit some other way. It looks like it's so much fun to use but I will for sure never grind those challenges to get it when they look so boring, especially if I have to do it post-game. Hopefully it'll just be baked into whatever comes next for the series.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

Ah c’mon fam, you can complete this challenge in an afternoon or 2. It is a chore, but Spindash IS worth the pain. + Those challenges strengthen your movement with Sonic.

[@dantemitsoyu977]

Or its easy to get spindash for the other 3 characters

[@zigzagintrusion]

It made me laugh that they made Amy’s tarot cards such a big thing for her in this update. Like, her hammer is iconic! Why change it? I agree with all your critiques, tbh. Underrated channel. :D

[@frontierdx]

This update was a rollercoaster of emotions.

[@best_mate456]

It really was especially to casual players

[@T_Dude]

The Trial Towers were mad hard, but very satisfying to complete. Except for 4. 4 was super annoying.

[@best_mate456]

Tower 4 is the fans right It can be hard to aim at it

[@T_Dude]

@@best_mate456 Yeah, that one. The beginning was so annoying to constantly get through that I ended up switching to Easy to get back to where I was and then switching back to Hard.

[@best_mate456]

@@T_Dude I need I can’t exactly remember but I did pass all towers on extreme mode my first try except the last one because I was stupid during the run way section

[@YummiMochis]

Absolutely agree. while i was watching the credits, it really made me think that this would've been the product of the base game if the Sonic team were given more time. With all the praise and awards Sonic Frontiers has gotten, it gives me confidence that Sega will put more hope (and time!!) into the team so we can keep getting games like this. Great video!

[@SFproductions1]

Thank you!

[@thatamericannarrator8247]

I still feel like The End is the weakest boss, just because while it’s great it SUCKS at explaining what to do. It’s my favorite now that I know how to fight it, but that initial confusion can really temper the hype you’re meant to feel.

[@Michael_Afton40]

Sonic Team really took the "IT'S TOO EASY" complaint personally

[@SkyeBerryJam]

On the new towers, i really didnt enjoy the difficulty, it felt like too much, so when i heard swapping to easy helped i did that. Instant baby mode. An in between would have been nice. On the note of the final boss, why didnt they tell us how to attack the tentacle. I ended up dodging around the head and sometimes getting lucky with the lock on until i googled if there was an easier way but wow that was a bad start to the finale for me after already being frustrated by the final tower. And after all my frustration... they still friggin pulled it off, amazing finale i cried tears of joy 11/10

[@Sparkizinho]

I actully learned how to make a perfect parry quickly by repeating the challenge of the three titans many times until I succeeded, this forced me to adapt and relax to wait for the right moment

[@felixputz5190]

You can just hold the button to parry everything which sucks

[@RatchetClankFan112]

I love Sonic Frontiers

[@Broski8_Race]

The map challenges were so hard that I put it in easy mode and find a tutorial

[@xanstergames]

I swear that new ending was HYPE

[@jbap7777]

rip anyone who was stuck on expert mode for the dlc

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Let's just hope that everything this game established is utilized moving forward. I pray this isn't a 2 steps forward 5 steps backwards moment.

[@alonsovenegas4444]

Pretty sure why this dlc was hard because people were complaining about Sonic frontiers being “too easy”, and sega took that personally Edit: also the QTE for cyber super sonic was AMAZING

[@Novevil]

10:18 Him: I wish they made it challenging Me: please no it took me almost a week to get all S i dont want more challenge to this

[@drcjtonkin]

FINALLY sonic got a new form! We haven’t gotten a new sonic form since sonic 3! (Which was hyper sonic which is arguably cannon) but sonic has had super sonic as his only form for ages but he finally unlocks a new form

[@teamknux]

i think both darkspine, werehog, and excalibur should also count (you said form and not super form which is why i say it before anyone says that it counts only as super forms)

[@drcjtonkin]

@@teamknux I was meaning sort of a form beyond just super sonic but I get your point

[@SMD965OFFICIAL]

Literally just blue eyes

[@best_mate456]

@@SMD965OFFICIALOMG did you just forgot the best scene of the final boss fight bro?

[@SMD965OFFICIAL]

@@best_mate456 yeah I saw it, I kept laughing my ass off at that moment lmao

[@gabriellarmour2076]

so while the end fight before the update wasn't as good the one thing I liked was how the boss gloated just honestly gave me chills when it said the end comes for you all honestly wish some of the dialogue was used during the new boss fight

[@Louisvuitton130]

Final horizon fixed EVERYTHING i was soooo hyped when I saw super sonic with blue eyes lmaoooooo

[@koficanham7109]

Bro I cannot beat the boss rush trial, literally the timing for parry’s on hard is crazy

[@best_mate456]

Oh my god extreme mode don’t even think about it But as a hard core sonic fan hard mode parry feel good. Casual fans will be on easy

[@koficanham7109]

@@best_mate456I usually mess up on the second boss especially when it gets to phase 2 and attacks faster

[@best_mate456]

@@koficanham7109 when I did hard mode if I get hit is mostly I parry late so I tried early and 80% times I manage to strike back

[@Trashedaccount123]

The input lag is absolutely horrible. Cylooping with the heroes compared to sonic is literally a second of delay. I also had this bug wherever i moved my character and let go of the stick they dont stop immediately and keep walking for a while. I had to keep messing with the control settings and got it sort of fixed

[@Trashedaccount123]

I legit thought that was part of the game where amy keeps walking after a stop 💀

[@SFproductions1]

turn the deceleration all the way up its a bug

[@Trashedaccount123]

@@SFproductions1 thank you sm for the tip, it means alot

[@lpfan4491]

Huh, I guess that explains why the game felt worse to control than I remembered it from a year ago: it actually did control worse xD

[@AndreiLiciniuTarau]

I really hope they keep Sage as cannon character for the next games on Eggman's side.

[@Billthebullet]

I actually didn't realize how easy parrying is until I got to Chaos Island. I unintentionally made Giganto and Wyvern harder by going for the perfect parry. Made Trial Wyvern dummy easy though... Can't say the same for Trial Giganto

[@TrippZ8]

I really only had fun with the final boss this update because of the level design and phasing through some objects and losing all my progress on the towers

[@best_mate456]

TBH the final boss was the best and biggest highlight of update 3 to me 😂

[@supercyclone8342]

Funnily enough, I haven't encountered any real glitches with the rest of the game until the final boss (except for one time I fell through Knight onto his spike attack during my last attempt of the Boss Rush on Hard mode lol). It sucks cause that final boss was really cool! My Quick Cyloop on the gun just didn't work when I thought to try it, so I was left super confused on how to progress for multiple attempts until I looked it up... then it failed again, before finally working. On phase 2 I got softlocked after parrying some attack and was left stuck in place unable to do literally anything until my rings ran out (I just reset early). And finally, the game hard crashed during the transition to phase 2 another time. I had a few very minor mods on and my last attempt went smoothly after disabling them, but they were Update 3 compatible and shouldn't have affected the Super Sonic gameplay so I don't think it was that. Also, Sonic Team seriously needs to work on telegraphing and subtle hinting. Hitting the cable was a pain until I realized that I kept hitting the cable when trying to wild rush the head. Dodging was never used to change targets, so why now? Have Supreme's head droop and expose the cable after parrying all the projectiles. Even if my first attempt to Quick Cyloop the gun worked, that still wasn't obvious enough. After stunning Supreme, the gun should've popped out slightly! Instead, when I accidentally started hitting the "hole" on its back, I just thought I found a weak point. I had already cyclooped the head and it did what you'd expect, so why would the spot on its back be different? Besides, Giganto had multiple targets that meant nothing special. I can basically sum up this whole update as fun, but very unpolished. I'm still very glad that it exists!

[@Demonskunk]

I was… very disappointed by the final update. They didn’t bother to include ANY tutorials for the new characters, despite them all having completely different move sets. I had to look online to figure out what the heck the purple markers meant, and I didn’t realize for a good while that they all started at level 1. It shines a spotlight on how slipshod the combat is, and I was extremely frustrated in the more difficult fights when some of Sonic’s attacks wouldn’t activate properly (Like trying to use Sonic Boom during the final trial). The second boss in the final trial in particular made me seriously consider installing a trainer to just bypass it because it kept bugging out and doing shit like not letting me use quick cyloop or not putting me within attack range of the boss properly. Requiring precise parry timing in a game with bad parry feedback is absolute trash. Edit: I actually had no trouble parrying Wyvern’s missiles, it was his attacks that made me want to pull out my hair. It turns out you can mash the shoulder buttons to parry 80% of the time.

[@Demonskunk]

I like a lot of what Sonic Frontiers TRIED to do, but the camera work, writing, and cutscenes felt like weird fanfiction; the open world felt wasted and the horrible draw distance and random floating platforming junk wasn’t as engaging as bespoke levels. I hope they can take what’s here and improve on it with the next game.

[@Timothyrpiano]

I had to take time off from the game because how much I was struggling to defeat Wyvern in the Master Trial. I’m glad the creators made changes to the updates to make it easier to get through the Master Trial

[@angelzepeda-yw6dt]

The master king Koco trail on extreme difficulty is stupid hard. Not only can u not take a hit, but you have the perfect parry before the 1.41 patch, the one that lasts for 12 Frames!!

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

This is definitely the ending we were supposed to get with some extra added bonuses.. but I have a sneaking suspicion that if the game didn’t sell as well as it did, we wouldn’t have gotten this DLC at all Also I wouldn’t give this game anything higher than a 7.5/10, it still has far too many problems at its core

[@lpfan4491]

The third update effectively cancelled my plans to buy Future Sonic games until people can confirm to me they are not like this. Poor optimization(gamewide btw, not just on the new island), lacking playtesting(Tower 4, which is kinda no good anyways tbh, is literally impossible to beat normally on Switch due to a bug and requires easy mode...which, I guess people playing on extreme can get bent according to the game), more jank than 1.0 release(And ya know, this took half the team 1 year off any other production iirc, so that's a disadvantage to the sequel, oof) and well...poor balancing frankly. Challenges are either p*ss easy or insane and/or unfair, no in-between. The other characters can jump or fly everywhere with ease so their leveldesign is basically void. There is absolutely no practical reason to engage in combat with anyone except Sonic because he is the only one who can start maxed out, while everyone else starts at base on an island where the only enemies are actively cheap. And well, the stereotypical "Bossrush bad". I actually just wish the leaks we heard around the bossrush-trial were true, I would have much rather fought new versions of these bosses where the issue is them actually being hard, rather than having an arbitrary timelimit. That way, it would actually be new content and me failing and getting locked out of beating the story would have felt legit at least. Not to mention the crazy disrespect of the player's time by leaving the Super Sonic-less sections and the unskippable cutscenes in(in addition to the new unskippable "trial begins"-cutscene). No opinion on Cyberspace yet(though I heard this island follows the original Ouranos in having the best stages in the game). I am basically taking a break from the game and then I can go back to the game to try them out(And finish off the Update 1 and 2-content, which I barely touched yet). Though yeah, that I was almost at the end without touching them once kinda shows how weirdly irrelevant they are for progression this time, like they were just shoehorned in because the other 4 islands(Counting Mainline-Ouranos, not counting Rhea) had them. Unlike Big, the alternative method of obtaining enough collectible macguffins this time(Aka, just cyloop certain treasurespots like always) is so "not out of the way" that I actually just got more than enough exploring randomly. I guess Knuckles(Everyone seems to hate him in this, I don't) and Amy were good and fun to play in a general sense(probably the best official 3D-incarnation of Amy that isn't just a 1:1 Sonic clone too), though Tails is kinda clunky with how the game is designed around the homing attack(Which he for some reason does not have) and how his flight has a similar startup to Knuckles' glide...except way longer and thus actually kinda obnoxious. Good thing that his boost upgrade is broken in the Air and allows him to go anywhere(though it also has a startup and is slightly hard to control, so it's actually kind of a boost downgrade on the ground, lmao) The story is...er, lol. Ok, so, Sonic jumps into a portal(Which they animated a cutscene for, so I'm taking this to say this is part of the plot. Tbh, it actually would have made more sense to me if they just stuck this content into a main menu-option) and spawns on the other Ouranos island. So yeah, I guess we are randomly jumping to other worlds now. Weird, but sure. Sonic is instantly stopped and confronted by Eggman and Sage in a weird expositional cutscene where they say we need help from Sonic's friends.(Which...Sonic needing help to get the emeralds in time was already the plot of original Ouranos tho? Like, we were going with Sage for the first 6 emeralds and Eggman got the 7th one Offscreen) Sage can for some reason bring them back and then temporarily suppress the corruptioneffect...ok, how and why? That entire plotpoint actually just made more sense before they established this, now I am just scratching my head what is going on. They get the emeralds, tell The End several times "U suck, we will stop U, lol" and Sonic has to climb towers that kinda exist in this world to convert the corruption into power.(Isn't this already the thing with the corruption, that it permanently altered him to unlock new powers? What is there to convert?) The titan pilots are somehow Koco now and are seemingly too bothered by having lost to Sonic, so they basically give the ultimatum of "win my trial or I'm letting the world end". I know they don't literally say this, but that is what it boils down to from a logical perspective, I just never liked this type of trial-clishee where the character actually realistically has nothing further to prove, but has to go through dumb busywork that does not really challenge their character or capabilities anyways. Then we have Master King and...who? Ok, so bro was not even trapped in a titan or otherwise MiA as far as I can tell and still didn't bother to show up to help set things straight, just sat on his butt until Sonic came to him. Yeah no, he's responsible for everything. There isn't really a lot more after this and that is how far I got, so that's a good opportunity to mention that Big the Cat was never actually here, so my original praise that it gave fanservice-continuity to his character(That he just randomly showed up for cameos and the hilarity of seemingly having hints of being a chosen one like Sonic, but not knowing what to do with it) is null. Thanks, guys, great subtraction to my enjoyment of the narrative(lol). When it comes to the japanese script, idk? Does it even have a fantranslation yet? I sat down to think about the one from the mainstory a lot, but I admit I got royally lazy here and didn't really bother to consider watching it for this update because I was so fed up with it by that point and I was pretty meh or worse on the plot anyways. 22:15 They definitly did not test it on extreme either. I mean, jesus, they require an actual frame perfect input(or close to it) when a: Wyvern's attacks you NEED to parry for it to not damage you and for you to damage it have no clear parry-window even on the slightly more lenient hard and b: the entire gimmick of Wyvern's second phase is that the missiles can cheapshot you and you can't see anything. Of course, I could never get there on extreme anyways. Both because I suck at videogames and because as mentioned previously, it is literally impossible on my plattform.

[@AndriukYT]

I really understand all of the criticism that people have about this DLC , but man, I can't stop playing it.

[@Hypersonic104]

I honestly believe that sonic getting shot out of the cannon is a Sonic X reference 🌚.

[@sakuradabp6400]

Wait, did you say they included the scrapped animation on Supreme? Where? Did you trigger it?

[@Tromite]

This game is awesome! I still play it and have poured hundreds of hours into it! I just love running around the open zones and completing those platforming challenges! While the platforms are scattered around with seemingly no cohesion, I think they're still well designed and add to that mystery of looking AI generated, which helps with the backstory of Sage, and I don't mind the platforms being suspended above the ground, as I still think the game looks great. There's just something about it, the aesthetic and the music, and especially the story, that makes me want to keep playing it. The enemy and boss designs are stellar. The titan fights are highlights, though gameplay wise, they are really easy. I agree about Cyberspace, and I don't mind them reusing old levels as long as they are fun. I wish the combat was a little better, and Sonic's parry timing should be changed across each difficulty. It's bizarre that they didn't do it for Sonic yet for other characters they did. With the latest patch, the physics are better, it's less buggy, but the difficulty has been eased, which was in response to the complaints from fans, but I wish they did that as a choice, rather than replacing the previous difficulty. But despite that, I think this is better than Shadow Generations. I think it has the soul of an open world Sonic game. Though I do wish they'd further update it a little more, as it would be perfect for me. Do you think they'll still update or patch this in the near future? I'd love it if they could fix the pop-in. I can't believe it's been a year since the best Sonic game got the best update! I find all playable characters fun to play, though not as much as Sonic, of course. They made the platforming challenges much harder and more open-ended, less linear than previous ones, which were too simple and automated. The new ending is a mixed bag for me. But the story is even better than before. What makes this game better than others is that I think it does playable characters the best. It also doesn't waste your playtime with non Sonic gimmicks as much as otherSonic games, especially Adventures 1 and 2, and Sonic feels great and fast to control. I disagree heavily when people say it's a Breath of the Wild ripoff as while it's clearly inspired, it also has a lot of differences, and I think I like it more. I even like that some challenges make use of momentum and make you think outside the box. The puzzles are mostly not challenging, but more like movement exercises, and i don't mind doing them. Overall, a masterpiece ✨️ Yeah, I don't mind the reusing of level layouts as the new movement makes it feel different. I similarly don't mind the koco quests, with most being optional, as long as they're not too annoying or pacebreaking. The worst part is probably the pinball minigame or the laser puzzle or the crane task. Cyberspace looks exactly like Generations, but I do like how they at least added the digital effect to make it feel new. Also, I like the presentation. I think the animations are quite good in general, better than in previous games, and I don't mind the realistic artstyle. While it's a triple A game, I do wish there were some CGI cutscenes, but that's probably because of the day-night system, so everything runs in real-time. As I said before, I really liked Frontiers, and it was almost perfect. In my opinion, it can only get better, not worse. Forces, while I think it's very overhated, and I kinda like it, I also find it kinda hard to defend, and I feel it was the dip in budget and quality and passion, it terms of both gameplay, design, story, and presentation, even though I don't think it's souless or lazy like many say. Frontiers, to me, felt like a high budget game, even though some corners were clearly cut. Not to be a blatant hater, but I don't think we'll ever return to that dip of content in the 2010s, as while I think saying it was the definition of mediocrity is a bit harsh, I don't think you could get worse than that. The next mainline game might not always be better than the last, but at least it won't ever be of that quality, let alone worse. Frontiers might have been great, but it can only get better, and that's hard to imagine!

[@matthewisguy7336]

12:26 Timestamp for a crown 👑

[@Signerdragon123]

Personally, whilst I agree the difficultly spike was untested for better or worse... for those that previously whined the game was too easy and still not fine with the upped difficulty... play Jak 2 going in blind, then come back to me on that.

[@sourlab]

Yeah like it isn't that hard with what ppl were saying I was expecting like top 20 souls bosses but while extremely hard yeah these aren't on that level hard

[@baileygobrr]

i really hate that for extreme mode they didnt just make it so you lose all your rings when you get hit. instant death is so boring. and for super sonic you could lose some rings on hit

[@best_mate456]

Yeah now I think about it extreme mode one hit kill is not a really good idea I thought is going to be like a parry nerf

[@FirestoneAnimation]

As huge an improvment the final boss was over the first one, i still did enjoy the monologing The End did during the bullet hell, insulting hs and calling us anything degrading.

[@Phoenix6942-7]

Wish it still did that in the new fight, but honestly with what we got, I don't really think I can complain anymore.

[@mrelephante]

I LOVED this update, super sonic 2 (or whatever it'll be called) is peak epicness, I unironically enjoyed the boss rush though I do agree the difficulty spike was super high, and the final boss is just legendary, gameplay and cutscenes

[@SonicEXEProductions]

Anyone notice all the purple and red in the game? I know this is an over-exaggeration, but what if the Phantom Ruby has something to do with this? Not trying to say it’s in the game, since we don’t hear it’s sound effect, but what if it came from cyber space? After all, it’s clones are called virtual reality copies, and the clones it makes are villains from previous games, and the cyber space stages are zones from previous games such as green hill zone and sky sanctuary zone

[@dabobthorton6169]

I didn’t even know DLC existed, hope it’s worth picking the game back up cuz I don’t even think I finished it with that horrible last boss sequence

[@loxsik7330]

Im so happy i played all the bosses through mods and made it as hard as possible. Once i got to knight i had 57 rings and i killed him in 50 seconds

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

The unfortunate part about unlocking the spin dash is that its both ungodly hard, as well as should have been in the kit to begin with.

[@BeautyMarkRush]

I actually found most of the new Koco challenges quite a nuisance (not to mention the reward for them is just useless since the game has unlimited boost from the beginning) simply because of how frontiers is just not made to be a platformer: Sonic turns like a car when jumping unless you sacrifice the double jump to correct your jump trajectory, there's no shadow directly underneath to see where you'll land, and some sections had messed up controls/camera combinations (mostly in the climbing sections) that would send me flying off the platforms. That's ok for generations and colors, in which most of the platforming is automated, but not when you're clearly trying to make platforming challenges like those. I remember one in Kronos island with fixed camera climbing section and some spike balls on it where pushing left or down on the stick would send sonic downward, but moving up and right would move him diagonally left and diagonally right, respectively, and that me took me a few tries just to figure out the controls. It should had at least the option of fixed movement controls independent of camera when climbing, really. I found it to be quite a problem with Knuckles too, as I would often move downwards when pushing up if the camera was pointing down... But that's really nothing compared to update 3's towers platformings... tower 2 almost made me give up on the game entirely bc of the pink walls that won't respawn, unless you get very far away from the tower or reload your save (and they even put bombs that could push you off the platforms, right after the first section, ffs)... I like challenges, but only when they are fair and balanced (in other words, good designed) not when I have to deal with bs like this that turns them intk a chore. And to think lost world actually had great controls and platforming, but they scrapped it entirely. I mean, the parkour sucked and that minecart level from the wii u version is bullshittery at its finest, but the controls and the platforming sections had me fixated on lost world for a couple of years now. I really liked the rework they did on Amy and Tails, though (although I too wished Amy focused more on the Piko hammer than the cards bc that's her signature weapon and all) and I actually found this version of tails to be more fitting for him. And running around guardians throwing wrenches became quite the entertainment for me lmao. But yeah, he could had at least a homming attack for objects to help in the platforming. Gladly I took a look at his skill tree as soon as I got to play as him and realized he had no homing attack, so I picked the Cyclone boost before anything else and skipped every tails platforms with it lol I actually enjoyed knuckles quite a lot and the wind-up animation can be useful to buy yourself some time. I just found it annoying that he can't double jump after jumping on springs and such unless you punch in the air first, or else he will trigger the glide. That's probably a glitch, seeing how it works fine with every other character. The only disappointment is his moveset. I mean, I liked that they kept the attacks from adventure and even 06 and fixed those hitboxes, but his moveset is the more lacking of all of the new characters... I found amy's and tails' ok, but I expected Knuckles to be combat-oriented since, well, it's Knuckles, but all he got is a 3 hit punch and the heat dome from SA. Oh, and the dunking punch from heroes as the cyknuckle... Where's the special moves? Why there's a drill mode boost if he already has the spindash like everyone else? Why his charged attack sucks so much and deals so little damage even with maxed atk while amy's and tails' get to be useful even outside of battles? Where's the midcombo special moves to make his combat as entertaining (and useful) as sonic's?

[@Mepphy99]

update 3 was a very sweet update, really happy for everything they did ... besides the perfect parry that shit is hella hard lol if they can build up future games on the positives of frontiers? Sonic could have a big redemption

[@Darkparadox64]

The final horizons was difficult and overhated thanks to the toxic fanbase that kishimoto decided to listen to bad people he is such a bad director , but hope next game kishimoto will not screw it up .

[@lightninggear0131]

Hoping for a playable sage later. She needs more attention

[@deathstreak1156]

Curious on how she would play, guessing she would be a zone character with teleworking capabilities

[@lightninggear0131]

@@deathstreak1156 maybe

[@Shrock568]

I agree with pretty much everything in this video! The 5th trial was absolute dog shoot, but the final boss made it worth it (despite on the third try on hard, I was one ring away from beating it before I ran out).

[@couchrpg6282]

Its actually funny that xounsay that everything is so easy and the last thing is so hard cuz it was the reverse for me The first and fourth tower was pain The second trial was the only one i struggeled with I wasnt able to defeat any of the bosses ecxeot the octopuss ones because id always die because the game doesnt give you invisframes so you can just instadie if youre unlucky wich happened every time i tried to fight silver hammer The titan challenge was no priblem for me at all on the other hand I did ot on my third try becazse i missclicked at a quicktime event with knight wich for some reason instantly kills you I did struggle a bit at the end but i just didnt know tvat you hat to punch of the cable I loved what sonic does after cylooping the end he snaps his finger and makes him loose blood as if he just cut open his organs wich was just badass

[@hotcocoabomb_]

Every time someone says Update 3 or Frontiers as a whole is bad, i just think about Gamescage's reaction to The End. Like, you can have your opinions but i dont think you can deny hype like that

[@kyo1152]

You forgot to mention you get no rings to regain after You complete a boss which made it worse

[@mayasarve1232]

25:06 The freaking end!