CRAIC CR929: CR929 vs 787 can it compete?

[@holdensv2000]

Would love to see this aircraft come out it will most likely sell in Russia China and Asian markets

[@oneskyflyer]

Can CRAIC CR929 compete with the established mainstream? Do comment below! Thanks for tuning in and as ever clear skies ahead!

[@s3y492]

It's a 787's copy!

[@skorpion101382]

The Airbus/Boeing duopoly definitely needs more competition but the fact that this JV failed to recognize the hole in the market left by the 757 as you mentioned means they will not the one to end the duopoly in the near future. The Russians keep only copy western designs after the cold war and the Chinese just keeps dumping money on people. Also as you mentioned, its not just the price of the aircraft but its overall cost during its life, and this company has no track record and no global supply/support chain for their aircraft. But this is something they can partner up with western companies that has a global support chain but does not make large commercial jets like Textron and Gulfstream/GD or Dassault. You should've also mentioned that CRAIC is planning on building a 4 engine jet and this is sucking up some of their resources instead of pouring it into the 757 replacement. Finally, remove the "I" in the acronym and this company is called CRAC.

[@alexandernorman5337]

Given that UAC and COMAC haven't been able to agree on a supplier list, I think there's a good chance the CR929 is never brought to the market. Granted, they may work it out over the next 6 months. But they also might not. And, as you mentioned, many airlines have already (or will do so over the next 2-5 years) selected their future aircraft in this class to carry them for the next 25 years. The CRAIC CR929 program cannot afford unnecessary delays because every airline choosing airbus or boeing is an opportunity for market entry that is lost and won't come again for over 20 years.

[@acjayden2771]

@@alexandernorman5337 hahaha really funny comment。so which is the big market for airplane company sellers?why china should only buy from Boeing? Really idiot comment

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@acjayden2771 - You have an interesting take on risk then! China's COMAC and Russia's UAC created a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to jointly investigate the feasibility of the CR929 program and what was needed for it back in mid 2016. Here, more than 4 years later, there is still no legally binding contract for any party to do anything towards creating the final product. There is no legal liability for either COMAC or UAC to bring anything into the program and there are no legally contracted suppliers. And they have just recently again pushed out the date to where they say they will have contractually bound system suppliers. Again, they may be close to obtaining a contract behind the scenes and all of this will resolve itself in a few months. But then again, it might not! And things are never certain until there are firm contracts signed.

[@alireda6222]

It takes more than 8 hours non stop to fly from Eastern Russia to Moscow, and the population of Russia + China = about 1.6 billion, so if they don't sell a single aircraft to other countries still they will take a huge slice of the world market.

[@nicholasngo5428]

Can the CRAIC CR929 fly from Hainan island to Gold Coast Australia non-stop?

[@nicholasngo5428]

Can the C929 fly from Hong Kong to Sochi non-stop?

[@ErnestoRoy]

I agree with your opinion that they would need to differentiate themselves from an already mature market. As you said their best bet would be an MMA that would fill the particular spot that the B767’s and B757’s will leave behind.

[@oneskyflyer]

Ernesto Roy Yep, CRAIC has to be more competitive than just copying :) Thanks for tuning in

[@yuzhu8282]

The middle of the market is being taken quickly by A321XLR and CR929 will not be ready in time to compete. The two countries are developing an airplane together for the first time and it's hard to predict what will happen. They will likely have more troubles than France and Germany when they started working together for Airbus. So they are designing a plane they need the most, which can save them some B787 and A330/A350 orders rather than going into a time-sensitive market segment filling others' need.

[@oneskyflyer]

Yu Zhu Yes that’s a good point. China already has plenty of A350s on order but developing their own jet could save them money, but these will be mainly operated by Chinese airlines. Thanks for tuning in!

[@موسى_7]

Finally I know why they made the 929!

[@2chuck]

They won't have a chance in the West until they provide immediate parts and technical support, and overcome Nationalistic Commercial hurdles. No airline is going to risk having their aircraft sitting idle while waiting weeks for parts or guidance. That said, this is a start for them, Airbus went through the same initiation and successfully navigated those tasks, but it took years, and now they are reaping the rewards.

[@antoniorsoftware]

Thinking about West is thinking about the past, their population is in decline. The future is Africa, and China and Russia can compete there.

[@ZC_Offcials]

Well I like the 787 and A350 the most. Thx for my request anyway.

[@saifanibnetanbir6144]

awww thanks i hate the CR929 and also i hate airbus A350 but these days i kind of think A350 isn't bad now i love both Boeing 787 and airbus A350

[@saifanibnetanbir6144]

i like them to

[@bobhund8206]

Your conclusion seems sound 👍

[@AMERICANPATRIOT1945]

Currently, the company best equipped to end the airliner manufacturing duopoly would be Lockheed, perhaps in partnership with Northrup Grumman. Lockheed has built some of the finest airliners ever to fly. The L1011 Tri Star was a spectacular and very underrated plane. With a bit of government subsidy, perhaps equal to what Airbus and COMAC receive, Lockheed or a Lockheed/Northrup Grumman partnership would be more than capable of reentering the airline market with a some very competitive offerings. The USA used to have three big commercial airliner manufacturers. Perhaps it is time to have at least two.

[@alphabravoindia5267]

cr929 looks like hybrid between a350/787/777. not a fan of its appearance.

[@oneskyflyer]

Abi Muthukumar Yep, it does look like a hybrid of all, a quiet taste I Guess. Thanks for tuning in

[@c47force15]

it will be great CRAIC.

[@prabhakarkmv4135]

It looks very sleek and fine one. Nice design. We are bored of all these A-380s,747s.It's a welcome change. Good luck.

[@zainuddinabdulrahim1703]

These was provoke about who will supply aircraft engines, aviation parts, landing gears ?

[@marquisstamps4153]

I definitely see this aircraft in operation with these Air Carriers ; AIR CHINA, CHINA SOUTHERN, CHINA EASTERN, AEROFLOT, PAKISTAN AIRWAYS, IRAQUI AIRWAYS, and CUBANA AIRWAYS

[@Dakkyun]

That mid-market widebody is kinda T H I C C in my thought (concept). Hmmmm

[@taxol2]

The comac won’t be worldwide for awhile. 1. They have to pass the tests from a lot of safety regulators by various countries. 2. They need to have worldwide service coverage. I think eventually they can overcome these 2 main hurdles, for comac sellable worldwide. In the meantime comac pretty much marketable only in China and Russia. Since C929 is a joint venture from those 2 countries.

[@udontknowme7798]

The 787 will soon be pushed out of the market due to misserable quality, but I guess the 929 will become close to the A-350. It will first be sold in China, Russia and south American and the African market, and some companies in the west with bad economy. But those who buy it will soon get a good reputation for a surprisingly good quality, which will give rumors to Western airlines. In the future, it will be Airbus and Comac that will rule the large wide body long aircraft, and Airbus, Comac and Irkut will rule narrow body, while Airbus, Sukhoi, Embraer and maybe Mitsubishi Aircraft Company will be the ones who in the future will get agreements on small narrow body aicrafts with 70-150 passengers. Boeing wants to go bankrupt, but may start up again to produce high-speed trains after a Chinese company buys up Boeing, and also gets agreements to build high-speed trains for the entire USA, Maxico and Canada. They want to make use of cheap Indian labor. But only Americans and Chinese are allowed to build the toilets on board these high-speed trains. Sewage along the train tracks will not be a good reputation for Boeing, therefore no Indians.

[@willtowin8057]

Your delusional? You said boeing wants to go bankrupt? Remember Boeing represents USA thats the largest Us exporter.. USA doesn't want that to happen let it alone selling it to a Chinese company are you a Chinese fan or what?

[@smhn63]

Wishing the best for CRAIC But I'm afraid it is too late as Airbus is entering Era of zero emissions

[@oneskyflyer]

Misbah-ul Hasan Yeah, in my opinion the CR929 should be dropped and both countries should compete with Airbus on hydrogen power :) Thanks for tuning in!

[@hananokuni2580]

If China is developing plasma jet engines for aircraft, then they are probably not too far behind in the race for zero emissions aviation.

[@RashadKhanAviation2023]

Nice one! Sorry I was late for it though. :(

[@oneskyflyer]

Rashad Khan That’s fine ;) Thanks for tuning in

[@RashadKhanAviation2023]

@@oneskyflyer Your welcome!

[@vernons1967]

With the current political situation about the recent Chinese governments behaviour, there is no way that GE and Rolls Royce will be allowed to sell their latest engine technology to China.

[@oneskyflyer]

vernons1967 Yeah probably, let’s hope China relations improve :) Thanks for tuning in

[@w8stral]

@@oneskyflyer Not unless they change, and I see no way in Hell that will happen without a complete collapse of China as we know it and if that does happen, they won't be buying any HBTF engines anytime soon.

[@ex0duzz]

vernons1967 china may need to ban Boeing and GE and ford and GM soon. Ford and gm sell more cars in China than in USA. Well see after the election, since China is still hoping this is just election nonsense and will go away after.

[@w8stral]

@@ex0duzz And can anyone take profits out of China? No. They could sell 6 trillion cars and make 12 Trillion Yuan in profit, yet cannot take a single USD back home. Go for it, ban them in China. All China is doing is direct copying anyways.

[@ex0duzz]

w8stral what you talking about? Of course they can? You think ford and apple and Boeing and Mercedes and every other company who sells stuff to Chinese can only use that money in china and nowhere else? You think china doesn't let people swap Chinese yuan to American dollars or vice versa? China has rule of law, they don't just make up some national security justification to rob/steal companies just because they got too successful like USA doing with Huawei or tiktok or whatever.

[@saifanibnetanbir6144]

i love A350 and 787 and CR929 looks like the decent plane

[@xtremity229]

Due to pandemic, trade war with US, quality assurance and flyers confidence. US and European countries will stick to Boeing and Airbus respectively.

[@anthonyhunt701]

I agree my friend. They should be trying to slot the CR929 into a gap that either Airbus or Boeing miss!

[@oneskyflyer]

Anthony Hunt Thanks for tuning in. Absolutely, and they should be more innovative as well :)

[@micjai]

Feels like a mix of a350 and 787

[@trash_ly]

the cheap price will not bring 787 down

[@oneskyflyer]

B787 lover 787 is ultimately a proven aircraft and already today has performances better than CR929, so it’s unlikely to bring 787 down. Thanks for tuning in!

[@trash_ly]

@@oneskyflyer phew thanks for the info

[@perry1055]

Even though Chinese built airplanes are for the Chinese domestic market, then both Boeing and Airbus will lose their share in the world plane market anyhow...

[@IFHD350]

The CR929 is the exaxt copie of the 787. The nose the wing looks similar to the 787. It's like If Boeing had a production plant in China for the 787.

[@oneskyflyer]

IF HD Yeah, and that’s the issue really. CR929 does not bring any new value to the market, thus no reason why airlines would choose it over 787. Thanks for tuning in!

[@elsonsti]

@@oneskyflyer once Chinese finished development of Phone Chip Card....whats gonna happen

[@AO-ow6tt]

Both Russia and China are not very concerned about the success of their aircrafts in the international markets as their main focus of their aviation industry development is to free their markets from the US-Western duopoly and to increase the use of domestic products while targeting potential markets of the third world with a proven reliability and service support starting first in their respective country.

[@billbarr7591]

CRAIC could build the best aircraft in the world but politics will prevent it ever being adopted by US airlines and those of its allies. There is also the Huawei offensive to consider where mission critical parts could be blocked for new and in service CRAIC aircraft for commercial reasons. All things considered the 929 looks like a good bet for home markets but reliant on US technology a very dangerous gamble for most others.

This aircraft will be a success if 1. It is safe 2. It is efficient 3. The price is much lower than Airbus/Boeing equivalents. China and Russia can use it i. domestic flights and If say after five years there are no safety issues than this will be a success.Airlines which don't have a lot of money will buy this plane if the price is a lot less than Boeing/Airbus

[@azmalkhan01]

This aircraft is for post Soviet countries and Russia China mostly because at this moment they are buying airbus and boeing they want to change that that is the reason for this aircraft they also hope to sell to foreign costumers as well

[@ivanpv6835]

Ау здесь есть русско язычные? Россия и Китай две страны которые совместно могут достигнуть высоких высот! Надеюсь проект не остановиться и будет дальше развиваться так как по геополитике это необходимо и Китаю, и России? ;-)

[@trash_ly]

noo 787 will be the best

[@trash_ly]

@Joseph Stalin. ironically I like B787 but I'm a fan of airbus company but Boeing is better than comac

[@shawchaw]

10 years, 20 years, or 30 years, it is only the time matter

[@puerco911]

Dam is a replica of 787...wth,they couldn't even change the front window design layout?

These days every thing can be simulated and designed using computers so which ever design is the best will be chosen.

[@zosimoromero3475]

It terms of product quality both country capable of producing their own military fighter jets and military cargo aircraft whichbis more sophisticated.. yah they can produced commercial airplane too.. it will depend on the price for sure there is costumer to buy... now it will just depend on safety aviation like faa.. to certified.. if politics will exist it will be treat for boeing and airbus.. blackmailing and sunction are the future problem

[@acjayden2771]

Safer than Boeing definitely

[@samtobio3045]

This video aged poorly. Not an immediate competitor, cause it was planned for mid-late 2020s. Not estimated now until 2028. Besides corona, who knows the demand 10 years from now. Will definitely be battling for 787 replacements and growth capacity with moderately sized carriers. Not to Mention the geopolitical pull in Africa.

[@oneskyflyer]

Sam Tobio Correct, the CR929 program has now been delayed yet again. Thanks for tuning in :)

[@pauloyoshizaki2103]

CHINA : C.O.M.A.C. ; C.919 ; C.929 ; C.939 NEW MODEL PROJETO ; ATÉ : 2035 : COMAC...................... ........

[@isaactxn]

it looks too similar to the 787

[@reehanabdullah606]

It can't compete

[@trash_ly]

winglet design copied windshield copied what else

[@Imbreadtt]

Legit thin air🤣🤣🤣

[@Mark_Ocain]

This aircraft will not compete. Boeing and Airbus will squeeze them out - certainly in western markets. This will be seen as yet another Chinese knock-off. (Cino-Russian I guess in this case).

[@thetransponder7186]

Ofcourse they would try to compete with the kings. The plane is nice, but Airbus and Boeing has the same plane that is more trustworthy. Although this plane is nice I still prefer a330neos, and 787s.

[@oneskyflyer]

The Transporter Yep, those are already flying and proven. Thanks for tuning in :)

[@jeffb9352]

How much of the development comes from stolen intellectual property from Airbus and Boeing?

[@rfayz733]

This will soooooo fail!

[@icedimovski1322]

I wish my best for this project.no more flying. With junks like Boeing. Or other eu junks.. Just go Russia and China.

[@nelsonchinasamy9857]

I have been flying in Boeing planes for over thirty years and I am still alive. I am not sure I will feel safe flying in a Chinese built plane.

[@djtan3313]

Safer than Boeing.

[@AshishKumar-du2wk]

No it's not

[@flyingtiger386]

BS

[@donniebuchanan4154]

Just copy and paste at its finest

[@edmanuelrodriguez8326]

sorry for your video but i prefer boeing and airbus than crap company ~ craic

[@cfyong1105]

You are bloody stupid and has a bloody filthy mouth. Its not a matter for you to like it or not. If you having nothing to contribute we will not call you dumb by staying quiet. How can you call a plane a crap? So many efforts are put into it to come out with a plane. Can you do it? You cant even make a bloody plastic toy plane that fly. Better you shut your filthy mouth spilling stools. The whole world will be very happy

[@bacyka7029]

It freaking child of 787 and a350 Oh yeah china always copy

[@skylineXpert]

Boeing been at it for decades. This new one may have a way lover list price yet its 15% less fuel efficient than the 787-9 So in the long run no.

[@arun3151997]

China just cant compete, they could make a kick ass plane but due to it being chinese it'll be very hard to sell in india and the US two of the worlds biggest aviation markets and maybe Europe has airbus so they might favour their own brand, Sure it might get a few orders from Africa and South America. But if the trade war gets any worse the US can just not certify the plane and that'll kill it

[@djtan3313]

U still trust d FAA...?

[@acjayden2771]

Safer than Boeing

[@DashPar]

I would not fly a Chinese made aircraft. Nor a Russian made plane either. I’ll stick with Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, or Embraer. No disrespect, just comfortable with those proven manufacturers. Yes, I would even fly a MAX.

[@orangepeeI100]

Same

[@trash_ly]

me too

[@oneskyflyer]

Midwestdoug36 CRAIC will probably sell these to Chinese airlines first to prove its reliability. But don’t worry it’s a far way from ever carrying passengers :) Thanks for tuning in!

[@elmersbalm5219]

people still come up with parochial bigotry even after the recent crapfest with boeing that cost hundreds of dead and an impounded model! stay humble.

[@djtan3313]

elmers balm ; once d brain is washed, it’s “cleaned” for life. Only d v few and wise r able to change their minds. Peace

[@richard_0916]

Fake 787😂

[@oneskyflyer]

哥布林 Lol, Yeah kind of but with less range :) Thanks for tuning in!