Russia And China’s Plan To Compete Against Airbus And Boeing

[@VordYT]

China : *Mades C919* Ryanair : Seems that plane is good for our hard landings... Take the entire stock now!

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

If a Chinese plane ever lands safely 😥😥🇬🇧✈️🙏👩‍✈️👨‍✈️👎

[@ipad19960117]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 didn’t the video shows several landings🧐

[@polo-kf6yh]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 like you've ever been on one..don't know what you are talking about...just a sheep copying others opinions.

[@BanaFoxStudios]

@폴란드제2공화국 What's 1+1 mate?

[@olefella7561]

You're on point. Global aviation industry needs to be much more comparative and expand; a little more than Boeing & Airbus as today. Just like European aviation cooperation, namely among Germany France Britain etc; there should be Asian aviation cooperation, among China Japan Korea Taiwan Singapore etc. A website with 4 million views says it all at, blog.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1795128

[@funnymonkeee9803]

The main reason China is developing their own planes is to keep up with Chinese demand for airliners. There is too much demand. China cannot wait years for an airliner. Also old planes have to be replaced with new planes because of air safety regulations. So there is a huge growing backlog for airplanes

[@tigading2177]

...plus U$ has declared trade wars on China and will stifle / limit sales of aircraft to China, it will do anything to slow china down, how weird they think sanctions and smears are real strategies. But I think China should thank U$, for one it spurs domestic innovations and self sufficiency, and China's COMAC will become a major player/competitor, and China can afford to price their new aircraft competitively due to cheaper labour costs. U$ is basically committing economic suicide, by forcing China to create its own solution and thus creating a new market player in all key technologies.

[@herewego9767]

Also the main reason Beoing and Airbus are worried is because China is their biggest market. The middle class in China is so big and the account for more spending and travelling than US and Europe. The West hates China primarily because of this. The Chinese government works to protect its people from exploitative capitalists, which means less profit for them.

[@microRiZu]

More competition = better

[@insanewar5927]

and zero sanctions

[@andyc9902]

Classic capitalism

[@qayz0989]

Except the 737 max

[@GeoTomaceo780]

♐

[@lisa.e5776]

More competition = lower price for consumers

[@javaidhaider9289]

It would be unwise for Western companies to take Russian and Chinese competition lightly. Years ago Xerox made photo copiers and were leaders in the making of photo copying machines. When Japanese copiers made their entry, Xerox mocked them as 'mere boxes'. A decade later, the Japanese manufacturers simply swamped Xerox forcing that company to move its production facilities to Japan. It would be a good idea not to underestimate the power of the East.

[@glen4130]

As a former Xerox employee this is 100% factual. Xerox didn't take the competition seriously.

[@kiranrana5108]

India has launched Cheapest jet liner in the World

[@raycolin5955]

Talking about aeroplanes here my friend ,not photo copier,s

[@topiasr628]

Especially when said competition is state-funded 😐

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@topiasr628 NASA theoretically can help Boeing out, being the US's National Aeronautics Administration. But the government would need to stop cutting NASA's funding.

[@alexp3752]

As a retired airline EVP who actually purchased the aircraft for our airline, and supervised their production, please allow me to comment. Good luck!

[@jannatbd]

😂😂😂😂

[@TranceElevation]

damn!

[@barackobama3698]

Logistically, airlines buying chinese/russian aircrafts would be more expensive. New pilots/training/maintenance etc.. Boeing and Airbus have the industry on a dog leash, but hey, who knows, we’ll have to see.

[@cte4dota]

Americans as struggle and doing everything for this planes stay on the ground that say everything....

[@barackobama3698]

@@cte4dota i have no idea what u just said

[@cte4dota]

@@barackobama3698 i said they put sanctions on those planes? Engines composite materials etc... That's why they are delayed so much, and they sell planes in China and Russia now these will change that...

[@barackobama3698]

@Samson Yuen I’m not jealous, I just didn’t understand what he said, I’m glad the aviation market is becoming more unique

[@edricklawrenceong7776]

Personally, I hope they succeed. Years of market control have made Boeing and Airbus complacent, it’s about time some new competitors comes up to kick them back into gear.

[@alochuchutraija2423]

Mitsubishi mrj190: hi im nowhere to be found ;-;

[@AbrahamArthemius]

@Tsephe Letseka Really? DIdn't they just renamed it to SpaceJet and the program is paused since COVID happened?

[@jebise1126]

clearly this is not about that aircraft also russia has quite some models like sukhoi superjet 100 thats already in production but no this is about russia and china working together.

[@97I30T]

This video is about Russian and Chinese aircraft. Mitsubishi is Japanese.

[@tessjuel]

This video is about larger planes - from 737/A320 size and upwards.

[@nadernowzadi1]

I just hope Boeing and Airbus won’t cut back on quality control and safety in order to be able to compete with aircrafts nearly half the cost.

[@johnchristmas7522]

This will put any manufacturing bases in China owned by Airbus or Boeing at risk. In that China will just nationalise the lot. Steal all the know how and money in one move. I have always said the both BOEING AND AIRBUS WERE SHORT SIGHTED IN BUILDING PLANTS IN CHINA.

[@tenton459]

A executive dominated by managers will try to do that since they don't want to cut back on dividends.

[@sktan3743]

Both manufacturers have too much fat in their profit margin. Boeing Max series run into problem because of cutting corners and abuse of safety certification. Competition promotes efficiency and quality products. Boeing and Airbus would have to work much harder ever before without a semi cartel business frameworks. For past40 years, China invariably brings down prices of goods for the benefits of the West. Plane making however infringes western monopoly and eats into their core industry huge profits. On safety concern, China has had much fewer failures in launching its space rockets than US. As most of the planes would be sold in the domestic market, there is no reason to suggest that China will compromise on quality and safety assurance. Isn’t lowering cost one of the ways to fight inflation????

[@JDAbelRN]

@@sktan3743 737 max and 787 are in high demand now, no one sane would fly in Chinese not Russia airliner, no matter how cheap.🤣😂☢️🌎☢️🇨🇳🇷🇺

[@tigading2177]

they already did, THAT is what capitalism is all about, maximum profitability human lives are just collateral damage, same in wars, weapons, and aircraft industry, in fact all U$ corporations have nothing to do with improving lives and everything to do with corporate profits.

[@nagarajanprakash7702]

Who ever made plane. Please assure more safety in commercial avaiation. Thankyou

[@sidewalk__]

5:12 it’s CFM, not General Electric. Yes, GE is part of the CFM join venture, but they don’t manufacture or market the LEAP engine under their own brand, they do it under the CFM brand, as Safran (the other company involved in CFM) also has something to do with making the engines.

[@rscott2247]

I was a bit surprised to learn that Comac was primarily having delays due to the CFM engines.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Very stupid-China gets all the info free.

[@salv02]

Comac will probably eat up all market share for Boeing and Airbus in the Chinese markets due to the nature of it being funded by Chinese government and will probably force every Chinese airline to buy it. The MC-21 is the better designed of the new competitors but of course operating logistics once in service will be a challenge. That won't stop them from eating up all the Russian markets from Boeing and Airbus. This is only the beginning unless Boeing and Airbus actually create a clean slate design of single aisle aircraft, they need to design the "toyota corolla" of the skies; Simple and inexpensive to maintain; low price, extreme reliability, and quality parts.

[@giggling_boatswain]

The cost of production in Russia and China is very low - they can drop the price as much as they want. For example, always keep the cost 20% lower than Boeing with the same characteristics or better. Europe and the United States will not be able to do this - they will not be able to lower the price below any limit. In general, I am not an economist, but I have long been concerned about the issue of pricing within the country. Why in Russia absolutely everything is 3-8 times cheaper than in the USA, but the standard of living is excellent - I have been there several times and have a business. Similar work in China or Russia is several times lower than exactly the same work in the United States. Who came up with such overheated salaries?

[@MagnumMike44]

That's why we and the rest of the civilized (non-communist) world should keep anything Made In communist China, leave it in communist China.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Also but NOT building it in CHINA!!!!

[@RB-rp6ud]

It’s good that there are competitors so that plane prices will drop & become more green. Safety is paramount & when certified by FAA, EASA & other global regulators, I do see a good future for these manufacturers.

[@johnchristmas7522]

What you don't see, is whats happened to manufacturing across the West as China has flooded it with its cheap manufacturing. But as was seen during Covid masks and equipment were largely unavailable due to the fact, that western manufacturing managements had surrendered their outputs to the Chinese at the behest of fat profits. So giving over all the market to one Strident country on the basis of price is foolhardy, as we now can all see.

[@RB-rp6ud]

@Σ At one time there was only Boeing & when Airbus came into the market, the dynamics of the aircraft market changed with new technologies, competitive pricing, innovation.

[@tigading2177]

Not if U$ can help it, there'll be more sanctions or national security issue when it comes to anything from China. U$ is not in the business to compete, they are there to dominate and destroy others in order for it to be profitable, you see it in local politics, geopolitics, wars, coups, regime changes, corruption and so on. There will be lot of co-ercive pressures applied to any nations who trade with China, as Bush used to say "if you're not with us, you're against us"...U$ operates only 1 policy, domination.

[@N254NK]

🇨🇳 and 🇷🇺 could not agree on business..no one is really buying those jets..

[@ericshang7744]

But they all have large orders already?

[@jeff90210]

They have large orders from Chinese domestic airlines. That market itself is enough to make a profit.

[@chiangchengkooi9791]

The reason China build is not depend on Boing and Airbus.

[@supa3ek]

jealous much ???????

[@ragnorak2237]

I would fly on Russias UAC before I fly on the Chinese COMAC

[@ahmedibrahim9082]

Don't worry. Russian aircrafts are very safe

[@youngz13o]

@@ahmedibrahim9082 thanks Stalin lol

[@garfield2742]

Vodka will makes our pilot stay on shapes during flight

[@HKChineseCanadian]

Why? Explain why Russian planes are better than Chinese ones.

[@zizo015]

@@HKChineseCanadian much more exprience building aircrafts.. Decades more

[@saadgt2009]

In true gambler fashion, $1 will get you $10, that they get it done in 3-5 years! It's too big a market, to NOT be in the hunt with the big boys.

[@irideexpeditions8756]

🤔

[@justicedemocrat9357]

I bet you $1 billion dollars, idiot.

[@drbichat5229]

I put together a lot of things made in China. Misaligned holes, poor quality materials, missing parts, etc. Would not buy a Chinese made car now, less an airplane. Maybe in 40 years

[@Hans-gb4mv]

And yet you have so much stuff in your house that is made in China. The phone or computer you wrote that comment on for example. How well something is made depends on how much you are willing to pay for it.

[@fha1885]

@@Hans-gb4mv which should worry you greatly when it comes to aircraft! Why are they so cheap: unskilled labour? Quality Control? China IS The ruling country when it comes to cut-price, but for a reason, none of them good.

[@megawutt]

It's not so much desire to compete with Airbus and Boeing but a need not be completely dependant on Western tech. Especially in the case of Russia. The US is imposing sanctions left and right, it's a matter of time when they start banning sales of parts for commercial airplanes.

[@Rantasalmi47]

This is why im ready to make a airline with Russian aircraft

[@darkadmiral106]

Same

[@brassicaolaraceaolaracea1115]

no sane person would underestimate China and Russia.....we got some good competition amongst the manufacturers and the consumers benefit......

[@nntflow7058]

I prefer the Japanese, Brazilian and Canadian rather than Russians and Chinese.

[@georgedang449]

@@nntflow7058 They still exist? I heard they're getting rolled into Boeing for the next MAX program...

[@lifebeautiful6309]

There's 40 ppl left dead in a single accident with the russian plane superjet and that accident wasn't severe just hard landing..Planes made of plastic materials very flammable.. google that.. Another crash killing every man on board, the plane hit a mountain... No thanks, i'd rather stick with boeing airbus embraer

[@isaacsmind5575]

Gun to my head, I'd trust a Russian plane over a Chinese plane...

[@amlanjyoti2]

👍🏽

[@Zerpentsa6598]

Time to stop flying in Boeing's "flying coffins" (US Congressman).

[@markduglaus5623]

you can choose yourself once you decide to travel

[@antr7493]

It was a senator dumb ass.

[@afwalker1921]

"As a botanist is unto a privet hedge, black in Thy sight, Oh Lord..." -Michael Palin of Monty Python's Flying Circus

[@barracuda7018]

Russian or Chinese? Won't set a foot unless it has GE or RR engines.. No way..

[@SovietLensReviews]

I mean, when was the last time a Russian made engine failed? They still drive Ladas from the 60's

[@barracuda7018]

@@SovietLensReviews If you have less than one percent of the commercial airline engine market, you don't fail 😂😂😂

[@captaron]

Would be more than happy to fly on a Russian aircraft! Not sure about the Chinese copy.

[@fha1885]

Have you forgotten their cars?!! Lol. How's the Russian car Industry doing these days.... Oh...

[@yandexamazigh3775]

I think you are wrong to compare Russia and China to aviation, read slowly In 1870, the Russian Aeronautical Society was established. In 1880, at the initiative of Dmitry Mendeleev Mozhaisky's plane became one of the first heavier-than-air aircraft in the world 1904, an aerodynamic institute was established in Kuchino, headed by the excellent Russian scientist Nikolai Zhukovsky, the founding creator of hydro and l 'aerodynamics Dmitry Grigorovich the world's first seaplanes 1911, the Russian Technical Society organized the first international aviation exhibition a galaxy of scientists Keldysh, Sedov, Lavrent'ev, Khristianovich, H E. Kochin, L. N. Sretensky and ... Russian aeronautics from Sikorsky Rousski Vitiaz 1913 1920 Sukhoi, MiG, Tupolev, Iliushin, Yakovlev, Beriev and Irkut ....... father of stealth technology RUSSIAN Pyotr Yakovlevich Ufimtsev (Russian: Пётр Я́ковлевич in 1931 Уфи́) (born 1931 и́) Ust-Charyshskaya Pristan, in West Siberian Krai, now Altai Krai) was a Russian physicist and mathematician who invented the Russian helicopter fleeing the Communist regime Igor Ivanovich Sikorsky

[@Odessitization]

A similar list can be made with Russian inventors / developers of the helicopter, starting with Lomonosovs' helicopter model, 19th century theoretical designs, 1910ies inventions of the squash plate, first fully functional helicopter in 1930ies etc.

[@OrangeCountyRails]

The plan: Copy Boeing and Airbus and create Offbrand A350’s, 787’s, 737’s and A220’s

[@lawrencejancents089]

I wouldn’t say the nose designs on these new aircrafts a copycat of 787 and A350. It is for now the most aerodynamic shape viable for manufacturing and practical use and it would be projected that new aircraft types would more and more resemble the shape. Like no one would accuse someone for copying a bullet design. The world shares the same aerodynamic principles. As for ARJ21 China had worked with McDonnell Douglas on manufacturing the MD-80 and 90 series in China back in the 80s and early 90s. The deal went bust but clearly COMAC took some good inspirations.

[@georgedang449]

No. We own the round wheel. It's ours. The Chinese must use square wheels or they're COPYING!

[@JDAbelRN]

Stole great designs from McDonnell Douglas.

[@Generalshouchew]

the cooperation hit a rock, russian refused to transfer key technology to chinese copycats.

[@hypixelplayz140]

你他妈整天bb有意思吗

[@hypixelplayz140]

希望你全家都下地狱

[@hypixelplayz140]

你出生你舅舅先知道的

[@groundstar69]

Very interesting and if the planes become reliable, having then a state-of-the-art maintenance and support program, new competition for A and B is in sight. The lack of good product support avoided a success of Tupolev and the Superjet in the past and today.

[@BorizZz174]

Because us sanctions only Now mc-21 mase made by russian components

[@johnchristmas7522]

People fly on Airlines they trust. Which comes from full disclosure with any aircrashes. Would China be honest? Russia if tied to China in development, it to would be tarnished.

[@ashrielliagao1429]

the CR929 is obviously a counterfeit clone of the 787🤣🤣🤣😂

[@rjfaber1991]

I just like the idea that it's a guy called Craig who's decided to create a cheap knock-off airliner in his shed. 12:00 "Craig plans to start construction in 2021" 😂😂

[@Lost_Johnny]

No. It doesn't crash all the time.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

1:05 That looks like a DC-9/MD-80/MD-90/B717 knockoff.

[@9999AWC]

It is. COMAC was provided a license by McDonnel Douglas to build the MD-80. Based on the knowledge they acquired, they basically modernised it and called it ARJ-21. The prototype still had an MD cockpit too. Now it has an newly designed cockpit and new engines, so it's basically an illigitmate competitor to the Boeing 717 (AKA MD-95). The C919 on the other hand is completely indigenous and I am hoping to get to fly on one one day actually!

[@ericshang7744]

The MD 80/90 was manufactured in China. Some of the designs are from MD90 so that they can reuse the manufacturing equipment in the factory.

[@vbiruk]

Destroying monopoly. More producers better for consumers . Especially for poor countries of Africa.

[@darkadmiral106]

I always hate it when I hear: "...do to a blockade from the US Government...", "...because of US-Sanctions..." when it comes to civil aviation projects that could possibly threaten their Sugardaddy Boeing. The EU doesn't run around throwing sanctions around because of possible competition to Airbus... but of course the US has to feed its Superiority Complex.

[@GintaPPE1000]

Sure, if you ignore the fact the EU has forgiven nearly $100 billion in unpaid debts from Airbus related to development of the A380. Or the fact Comac and the UAC are literally government-owned agencies that currently run on subsidies. Countries like to prop up their domestic businesses. If it’s not wrong for the EU and China to do it, why is it wrong for America?

[@rickjames18]

@@GintaPPE1000 Well said sir, people just love to comment on topics without knowing what they are talking about.

[@alphalunamare]

What's the Craic with Ryanair then? :-)

[@capnskiddies]

Limited market for that joke. Beautiful

[@maxderay]

@@capnskiddies Amazing

[@fha1885]

Lol

[@Rndmstff737]

The CR929 just looks like a strait up copy of the 787

[@caesar7734]

Why doesn’t Russia design something unique this time? These look like knock off boeing and airbus aircraft.

[@techhelpportalextras3007]

They don't know how to design anything good

[@DW_25]

Because it turns out that those are the best shapes for planes, to almost no ones surprise

[@GearzU]

@@techhelpportalextras3007 Just look at TU-154 and IL-76.

[@grrlpurpleable]

The Comac ARJ21 is basically a Boeing 717 clone which itself was based off the DC-9. This is seriously old aerodynamic technology that cannot hope to compete with modern aircraft on anything other than initial purchase price.

[@johndamian9197]

That plane was meant to test the waters. The C919 is their real attempt to end to end the duopoly

[@JDAbelRN]

@@johndamian9197 good luck on that, many sales, very few built, and still testing. What a joke. Let's forget war criminal Putin and Chinese ambitions for world domination.

[@anuclitz]

Cr929 China's is more like tupolev 204 and 787 had a baby 🤣🤣

[@JuraimyAirlineManager]

looks like A350 little

[@sarthsingh3271]

The fuselage looks like a350

[@joshuagathright670]

@@sarthsingh3271 But the nose and tail are 787

[@garyzhang5099]

It’s based on il96, but now seems this project is gonna delay quite a bit

[@bireswarhalder9765]

More competition is welcome. Reduced cost will help third world countries greatly. Civil aviation is a very critical area due to high safety factor. Currently Russia is in a much better place due to their long history in design and production. Those who can built Antonov 225, can built any aircraft. But China is eager to learn and they learn very fast. Initial delay expected as they are completely new in this sector. But real competition can be witnessed beyond 2030.

[@dmitryredko4014]

Antonov 225 came from Ukraine, not Russia. What Russia came up with after collapse of the USSR is Sukhoi Superjet (which the crews operating it called "shit" - говнолет). They've handed around 170 units to airlines (mainly Russian). By now all foreign airlines returned them back as the reliability and maintenance are dreadful. Those units that do fly spend only half of the Boeing or Airbus time in the air.

[@bireswarhalder9765]

The fact is that Antonov 225 was developed during USSR regime. Manufacturing plant was shifted to Ukrain from Russian area as it was same country at that time. Antonov himself is from Russia not Ukrain. It was Russia who contributed the most in designing and manufacturing the aircraft. Ukrain is not in a position to complete even the 70% completed 2nd aircraft. We know what Ukrain is today. Soveignty sold to USA. Can't take any independent decision. Antov 225 is a Soviet aircraft not Ukrainanian.

[@johnchristmas7522]

CHINA learns by stealing, all the western aircraft companies with affiliations to CHINA will be over run with nationalisation.

[@bireswarhalder9765]

@@johnchristmas7522 Once Charles Darwin had said that desire for man to fly came from the flying bird. China learns from others not necessary by copying. Western people feels pain to see China rising. It's their problem. USA stopped ASML, Netherland from exporting EUV Lethography machine but now China has made their own machine. Now china is developing carbon based semiconductor chip Graphene, world's first, for 6G. This is the answer, China given who always alleges, China copying.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Oh dear, a believer, lets hope you wake up before, like Hong Kong, its to late.

[@tusharbarua4320]

চায়না কে যদি অর্থনৈতিকভাবে গোটা বিশ্বের রাজত্ব করতে চায় তাহলে রাজনৈতিক আগ্রাসী মনোভাব ত্যাগ করতে হবে কিন্তু চায়নার পলিটিক্যাল মোটিভেশন অনেকটা রেফিউজি দের মত

[@dominicfrigo7397]

The new CRAIC 787-10

[@MudhaffarAdhwa]

If Americans tried to kill off a Canadian jet. I can already imagine what they'll do to a Russian/Chinese jet

[@BorizZz174]

Уже ничего не сделают с мс-21. Он полностью из российских компонентов, и не зависит от поставок из США и Европы.

[@jimstark9171]

Quality is king.

[@hlim431]

unless you're flying Airbus & Boeings that should long have been retired! Safety was important to Boeing but 500 people had to die to PROVE what was really going on! With extreme capitalism Boeing bought their own shares to jack up stock prices & dividends instead of investing in R&D, hence a plane with a link back to 1951 & 1961 is STILL flying...

[@cool2180]

@@hlim431 of course quality is king...but if Russia and china get their act together Boeing and airbus will be in serious trouble. china is able to control the cost of labor and would be able to undercut boeing and airbus

[@Xyb3rTeCh]

If only Boeing didn't screw up their upper management and have maintained transparency and real quality engineering work. Then the B-737 Max incidents wouldn't even happened.

[@sygneg7348]

I hope Airbus doesn't get overtaken, but I'd do anything to backtrack against Boeing after the absolute sin that was the 737 Max and completely moving the 787 operations to an already sucky state, South Carolina, as well as ignoring every defect in their 787's at the South Carolina facility because Boeing does not give a fuck about its customers and only cares about profits. Capitalism at its finest.

[@Xyb3rTeCh]

@@sygneg7348 Actually, its more like a flawed Capitalism because you have greed, ignorance, and arrogance attitude come into play.

[@AHTOIIIKA]

Sad that IL-96, most safest plane of all time not upgraded in Russia.

[@peteg9921]

The surprising bit is the cost per unit plane.... it's costing half the price of a dreamliner..... now that's serious. No reported manufacturer faults .... unless they hide or are not documented. RODGER from Nairobi Kenya. This is the future of modern aviation, ignore them at your own peril.

[@thivankas]

CR 929 looks like a copy of the Dream liner 😁

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

With A350 winglets and stolen cockpit tech

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

@@Al-hb2wo Well it looks too similar and still won’t match the efficiency of the 787 or A350 by the time it enters service as they are likely to get newer engines and a few other improvements

[@polo-kf6yh]

why? because its got wings and wheels??

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

@@polo-kf6yh Thats not the right counter argument if you hoped to convince me otherwise. I’m talking about looks which does include the wings but why put your pointless comment then? That’s all you Comac defenders say to claim CR 929 or ARJ-21 aren’t copied when they clearly are

[@polo-kf6yh]

@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 wasn't replying to you..bit defensive?

[@didierlemoine6771]

Time for Airbus to buy civil Boeing !

[@HKChineseCanadian]

With the world Airline industry going down the tubes, the Chinese should buy out Airbus and Boeing and build all planes in China. Cheap skilled labour, huge domestic mark with advanced technology can't be beat.

[@MustraOrdo]

@@HKChineseCanadian profile name and pic checks out

[@justsamoo3480]

I think that they should try to fill the missing in the market, think 757 replacement aircraft, hydrogen planes. This is where they can actually compete, since there’s little competition apart from Airbus ofc.

[@thrustasymcomp9145]

What indonesian airline is about to use arj?

[@lmlmd2714]

None. The only Indonesian airline with an order with SMAC, a small airline in Sumatra, but they've gone bust. Given the state of the market vis a vis Covid, I doubt they'll be new orders soon.

[@sambotoo5326]

I will never travel on any aircraft made in China. It will fall a parts in the air “

[@johndamian9197]

If you are using an iPhone it is made in China and iPhones are the highest quality of phone

[@agoodman2146]

Throw away all the made in China in your home.DO IT！

[@sambotoo5326]

@@johndamian9197 Appel is a greedy company . In the back of the iPhone you read designed in California, assembled in China, American worker $40.00/hour , Chinese worker $40.00 /week

[@purpleaki7135]

Ryanair is using Comac as a negotiating tool and nothing else.

[@afwalker1921]

I think yours is the wisest comment I've read so far...

[@danmcglynn1949]

The lower price of both the Comac and UAC aircraft offerings are sure to be attractive many airlines however they will work out as initially much higher investments than Boeing or Airbus aircraft. All you need to do is read up on the short history of Sukhoi Superjet (SSJ) to realise the issues with buying new and unproven aircraft. Spare parts will be a very limited market so maintenance becomes costly. Even getting the spare parts needed could be a lot of hassle which might leave aircraft grounded (SSJ again). Then there is the cost of training pilots and cabin crew to work these new aircraft which takes time and money. Maintenance crews also need training. It takes a lot of work. That's why we see State owned airlines being the first to place orders and receive them. Best of luck to both companies on the future.

[@UltraTotenkopf]

*The problem with the SSJ-100 was that it initially relied on cooperation with Western partners, and it was on their part that there were problems with spare parts, the competitor does not need anyone, now there will be no such problem, since the SuperJet - New consists entirely of Russian components!* kzbin.info/www/bejne/on_ZZXlmnrGgp9E&ab_channel=%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8.%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA

[@Decepticon313]

i think its about time

[@fnb1809]

Airbus and Boeing: Dont make a clone of our planes. Russia and China: CR929 is born!

[@justgames3490]

Lol true

[@justgames3490]

It needs more original external design

[@fnb1809]

Ngl the nose of the CR929 looks more like it belongs to a 787

[@joshuagathright670]

@@fnb1809 The tail as well.

[@williamwatitwa3534]

you expect them to make a box design

[@sktan3743]

…high prices give China n Russia an easy target for market penetration particularly for bargain hunters.

[@jamesrey3221]

Major airlines only buys the best, not the cheapest.

[@miran77]

Can you make video of mrj

[@baltukur3368]

About time European USA dominance must end

[@robbie8350]

Can't get any more dangerous than Ryanair using Chinese planes

[@chiangchengkooi9791]

Go an take Boding 737 Max instead.

[@EAGSAviationYT]

Ryanair actually never had a fatal crash just one hull loss from bird strike at italy where no one died(FR4102)that's it

[@lliryk2860]

I love how the c929 looks exactly like the b787

[@MarvinResper]

This awesome information nice thanks

[@whie190]

일반시민은 1심에서도 법정구속인데 조국은 2심에서도 법정구속 안하네. 판사가 판새냐?

[@teatree6228]

And they will succeed More choices Prices go down

[@asliceofcheese7152]

Ngl, china's cr929 looks rly good Edit: sryy i mean the cr929

[@karlossargeant3872]

Yup The C919 & C929 I will fly with them fa sure but not The ARJ's though.

[@asliceofcheese7152]

@@karlossargeant3872 ye

[@孙浩洋-y9q]

There will be more after it enters mass production.

[@kiwiwala]

Covid and post Covid period is the wrong time to go into aircraft manufacturing.

[@georgedang449]

China's a safe island. Their domestic air travel is booming. There are severe international flight restrictions though, so there's only demand for regional jets.

[@TheCriminalViolin]

I think it's about time Russia got back into the airliner game. It's been too long since they last were involved in it, and I actually feel somewhat sad that they opted to let it go in the past. But I trust in them to produce a damn good airliner, and one as a transit geek, I'd LOVE to be able to say I flew on.

[@peterdurum434]

They let it go because their country was totally ruined and robbed in the 90ies.

[@peterleung8372]

Russia have no money

[@peterdurum434]

@@peterleung8372 Sure they have.

[@themaus3847]

SU 860 is crazy aswell.

[@peterdurum434]

@@themaus3847 It is, but unfortunately this project is cancelled.

[@goatlady7761]

I will never ever fly on a Chinese made aircraft.

[@ericshang7744]

The range is designed to requirements, and it simply designed a smaller fuel tank than the Airbus and Boeing ones.

[@ATLMike94]

I'm not sure about that. Purposely designing smaller fuel tanks doesn't make much sense. There may be situations where you need that extra fuel. Not even having the possibility of it eliminates so many customers.

[@gauravupadhyay6]

India needs to step up too. We are growing in every sector, why not this. Air India and Indigo placed order of approx 1000 aircrafts from boeing and airbus. Imagine if we had our own manufacturer

[@ahmedhazbar6880]

They should form an alliance instead and collaborate to make passenger jets along with countries like south korea and Turkey. That way they will develop high technology aircrafts that can really compete with the big players and reduce development costs while simultaneously building multiple factories that can keep up with the increasing number of orders and building a maintenance and spare parts network to make it really global. Else, they would just fly regionally within their own land and produce outdated aircrafts that no one is interested in.

[@idontlikepeachybbies]

Sadly,there is no way in that happening becasue of politics

[@fha1885]

That takes forethought, planning & investment : hard work. Putin is not interested in hard work: he's a kleptocrat . ALL that matters to him is personal wealth. That's why Russia is broke, he's bled it dry. Hell, even the Chinese don't trust him! How can Any industry in Russia thrive in those circumstances?

[@spdfatomicstructure]

Will these new jets have potential to be the MiGs of the civil aviation world?

[@TotalRookie_LV]

MiG-23 could have been the most unreliable plane ever. Soviet Air Force went as far as demanding to deliver them disassabled, as ground crews would need to take them apart anyway to fix all the crap that flying diaster had in it's design. Stil laround 1/3 of them were lost in accidents anyway.

[@spdfatomicstructure]

@@TotalRookie_LV there are others like the MiG-15, -17, -19, -21, -25, -29 and -31. These are the jets that made MiG such a big brand name in military aviation during the Cold War and into the present day, in the way that the 747 made Boeing a major brand in civil aviation around that same period

[@TotalRookie_LV]

@@spdfatomicstructure MiG-19 wasn't good either, that's why its production in USSR was so short - only a couple of years, most 19's anyone encountered were made in China or were given away by Soviets just to get rid of them. Even later model MiG-29s, while good in some aspects, had short lived engines (which plagues Russian planes to this day) and relatively weak frame and landing gear, which made developing carrier based variant impossible, unless they are completely redesigned.

[@qsdrfghgujfddyffguff]

RUSSIA::::75% GUARATEE,CHINA:::30% GUARANTEE

[@blacked2987]

*Theorists have modeled an expanding spacetime-akin to our Universe-by taking inspiration from a string theory framework in which spacetime is emergent.There are many strategies in quantum gravity for constructing an expanding universe. One approach is to find an appropriate “string compactification”-a type of architectural map for strings and membranes-which builds up a universe with a positive cosmological constant. It is possible to construct nearly stable universes in this manner [3], but these constructions possess features that make them unrealistic. The difficult problem of constructing more realistic model universes is a topic of ongoing and active research.Appreciating how striking this statement is requires some unpacking. On the one hand, we have a theory of quantum gravity, say, in 3 + 1 dimensions-3 space dimensions and 1 time dimension. On the other hand, we have a so-called “conformal field theory” (CFT) in 2 + 1 dimensions. This CFT does not include gravity; it is a theory that has the basic trappings of the standard model of particle physics but additionally possesses exaggerated symmetries. The AdS/CFT correspondence means that a dimension of space emerges as we toggle between the gravity-free CFT world and the gravity-filled AdS world.Accordingly, a dS/CFT correspondence-if it were fully realized-would equate quantum gravity in de Sitter spacetime to a non-quantum-mechanical conformal field theory without time.*

[@annndukumutua833]

China's a huge economy it will do so good where there are Chinese investments

[@eoinoconnell185]

Any Chinese with money try to get it out of China. The effects of China's 1-child policy are about to be felt, as the 2 (parents) retire and only 1 (child) works. Fast forward 20 years and the parents will be dead. China's population is going to go into a tailspin. Meanwhile, the CCP is force-building millions of empty apartments in an effort to prop up the country's lagging GDP. There's also a significant gender imbalance among the population caused by mass abortion of girls because boys were the preferred 1 child. Millions of unmarried men in any society leads to an upturn in violence. There's huge turmoil coming China's way.

[@guilhermegoulart4199]

While boeing and Airbus compete with Russian and Chinese planes, Brazilian Embraer goes alone on its umbeatable pace.

[@ahmedibrahim9082]

MC21 is the best

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

It suffers from no support network though so few here in the West will buy unless Russia offers financing for it despite being better than neo and Max

[@ahmedibrahim9082]

@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 we'll see

[@michalmilko8347]

@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 they claimed that they learned from Superjet support network problems so we will see

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

@@michalmilko8347 I sure hope so too so fingers crossed🤞

[@iwanadams9892]

It's not a problem for the west, maybe for Russia and Africa.

[@9999AWC]

I am VERY happy to see more competition. I've always been fascinated by Russian designs, and China is catching up at a spectacular rate! Both the MC-21 and C919 look fantastic! Though more variety of aircraft is welcome to an avgeek like me, realistically I don't see Irkut nor COMAC breaking the Airbus/Boeing olygopoly on the market unfortunately. Maybe in 50 years it will be a different story, but for now there's a strong start, and I am optimistic about it.

[@michalmilko8347]

this isnt going to happen but since airbus nor boeing are not able to deliver new planes faster, new designs have a chance for taking at least some share in the market

[@peteryannacoureas1821]

Very Impressive. Bravo.

[@stevemclean9411]

Engine commonality will prevent success for China and Russia

[@eoinoconnell185]

I wonder how much IP was stolen from Airbus & Boeing ?

[@memofromessex]

I would not trust a Chinese plane not to burst into flames and the locks on the doors to fail

[@ahmedayaat2727]

I reckon Japan would make better planes than China and Mitsubishi already has a prototype and received orders as well.

[@ahmedayaat2727]

@jerry xulin Technically, yes. It does

[@ahmedayaat2727]

@jerry xulin The plane looks better and yes only on that prototype I am saying. If they get more orders, Mitsubishi will make more models.

[@memofromessex]

@jerry xulin Experience with Chinese branded goods. Not necessarily Chinese made goods.

[@uwantsomechickenlad8835]

U writing paragraphs on this, do u have a life. About the fight if your laughing u can laugh in the ambulance ha ha ha idiot

[@syedalam2074]

Sounds like EU and US monopoly is about to over in aircraft manufacturing business. Good for consumers, bad for big bullies.

[@alinaqirizvi587]

iran air needs to buy some of these!

[@Weissman111]

The ARJ looks like a MD-87 rip-off, and I can imagine the tariffs that would be placed on these if they tried to sell them in Europe or America due to them being made by a state-owned company and hence being given unfair subsidies.

[@KH-ps5yj]

That state-owned vs private narrative is total propaganda. Both Boeing and Airbus received stipends and aids from American and EU governments. What's ironic is that they accused and sued each other for governmental aid receptions in the court! America and EU may place tariffs on anything only because they are fear of competitions, not for so called "unfair subsidies". Guess who's paying the price? The brainwashed and manipulated voters.

[@Weissman111]

@@KH-ps5yj "brainwashed and manipulated voters." - that's a good description of the Chinese.

[@jamesrey3221]

MD80 has a license to build in China....AR21 is based on the old MD80

[@enochhung9155]

The word that they completely forgot, , *safety*

[@dominicfrigo7397]

they think they can compete with the e2🤣

[@sugarcan1110]

Best decision for Ryan air

[@bortsimpson4536]

china is having problems keeping the lights on right now. Let's see if they can make good planes.

[@jagsingh6410]

Love to China. It brings peace, construction and economic development to other countries.

[@TheJrj430]

Idiot

[@osasunaitor]

Shut up, stupid bot

[@TheJrj430]

China virus was my favorite. You forgot that for some reason dink

[@jagsingh6410]

@@TheJrj430 Your brain was completely washed by fake news media.

[@TheJrj430]

@@jagsingh6410 ohh. Sorry. Wuhan virus. Wow. U think it didn’t start in china? Wow. U work for your government. Do you know it’s not legal for u to be on KZbin. ? Why. Why can’t Chinese citizens be in you tube? Huh. Kinda like n Korea.

[@carlscamino5844]

I think the Chinese will soon be competing with Boeing and Airbus. The Russians, they haven't been able to yet and I don't see that happening any time in the future.

[@nats50]

When a country impose unfair and illegal sanctions, use them as weapons, feeling threatened with fair competition, and in the process presents itself as a sore loser and cheater full of envy, it's only right and fair to have alternative sources of planes and not be intimidated and bullied into buying only from them.

[@WINDYCHUNG]

we do not need to sell them to other countries, our own market with 1.41 billion people can support this, and it can save us a lot of money and creat local employment, this is the objective. May be oneday, we can sell them to Africa and Latin America when they find it is good quality and not dangerous, who knows?

[@n0nsense721]

Airbus and boeing : exist China: mines 👉👈

[@JuraimyAirlineManager]

china is king of copying

[@aleroxit]

Not allot of details about the plane. What does the cabin look like? How does it compare to the md80?

[@adriaanels6568]

Russia already builds a wide body aircraft, the only other country besides US and France. Russian aircraft have more local content than any other country.

[@whiskeytomcat]

Just like with cars ....I'd never get in one made in Russia or China.

[@peterdurum434]

There are many automotive plants from world famous brands in Russia now. With full cycle. More so their automotive industry is developing again. For example new Lada cars are very good.

[@kiranrana5108]

For manufacturing passenger jets... Canada ..Brazil..France.. Are ahead and India is not Far behind China and Russia...

[@rezberry.x]

If u realise not just aircraft but nearly everything is getting ridiculously expensive when us dollar in trouble and most often than not, once up the price will never go down to the level it was before. Competition is good as it helps keep in check the price level for human across the globe.

[@sarthsingh3271]

Hope to see these planes in skies soon

[@volodymyrdrobot9454]

I don't think Russians or Chinese will be a competition to Boeing and Airbus in mid-range or long-haul markets. Those planes will be mostly for domestic consumption.

[@aceeeed]

Aer Lingus have expressed interest in the CR929 as they heard it was good CRAIC.