💥 Crash Course: Bombers / War Thunder

[@Tipsyweeb]

"Let Allie fighters climb to meet you" yea that would require team play

[@tripletango]

Just ask, most players (at least in RB) are really nice

[@sosukeaizen2072]

it's impossible in random battles sometimes

[@lolnou2225]

And communication

[@noblesol6275]

@@sosukeaizen2072 in realistic battles people are generally nice, so just play RB

[@purecarbon0]

So convince your friends to download and force them and their starter planes into a battle against 4th era planes and try to convince them to keep pace with you

[@reddragonemperor5217]

You cant use bombers pass tier 3, the fighters climb better and faster than you. Bombers need a more high spawn point or they become useless

[@spindash64]

Red Dragon Emperor I have a better idea: give points to fighters who fly in formation with Bombers, and bombers who stay in formation with other bombers. That will encourage better defensive team play, thus killing 2 birds at once

[@kuba_mar]

Better rescuer rewards?

[@wtbulldog4520]

i couldn't agree more. i have been playing war thunder for 2 years now first on the pc and now i play on ps4 but this past year is when i really started getting into bombers. me and a few of my freinds have been saying for months now that bombers need a higher airspawn. heavy bombers spawn at 14,000ft and medium bombers spawn at 12,000ft. the heavy bombers really should spawn at 20-25,000ft and medium bombers should spawn at 14,000ft. this and buffing the durability for bombers is the only way to make bombers enjoyable.

[@MDPToaster]

spindash64 Except in air RB most fighters can’t even climb up to bomber altitude in a reasonable span.

[@cuphead8159]

@@wtbulldog4520 Nice if you made the game I wouldn't always get reked by 109 k's

[@stewie1237]

Me: Can I have a fighter escort Team: piss off Team: what does J do? Team: Alt-F4 for fighter escort Team: tips for p40? Team: when does capture win time bombers? Team: きせりく

[@aidandixon6028]

Accurate representation of war thunder chat

[@randompillow5146]

Aussie Tanker I feel like this is an underrated comment.

[@timonraccoon]

Russian instead of Chinese or Japanese whatever that is

[@balasankarajith2923]

*Accurate representation for any game*

[@Hasio-Maszkietnik]

Team: *Random russian babbling and talking*

[@cloroxbleach9222]

Mistake #6: Thinking you can survive grinding past Tier II bombers

[@LowQualityMemesHere]

Like how the hell am I supposed to use the Sunderland! Just give me the early version of the Wellington and I’m set

[@trashme.6216]

@@LowQualityMemesHere wellington is actually a good bomber plane. A 4000 lb, does not died after a 5 minute fighting back to enemy fighter, and i actually use them as a fighter by killing enemy bombers.

[@isaacruff2523]

When I started war thunder, I saw the soviet tu4 and made it my goal to have it, 2 years later I still regret it.

[@DaSpineLessFish]

You know the funny thing is so many problems in RB air would be fixed by introducing a fixed version of Enduring Confrontation

[@steyn1775]

DaSpineLessFish yup

[@addaytabiswas5789]

Totally agreed

[@spindash64]

Maybe they hesitate because they’re hoping World War mode will solve the issue when it releases?

[@Zalzany]

No it wouldn't sadly this would be a new game mode entirely... Its like saying "I only ride bikes so I think we could fix our cities issues by removing all parking lots adding in more bike racks and turn the old lots into parks for kids to play in." Meanwhile in reality that would destroy the cities economy, cost a fortune, and send the city into ruin...

[@DaSpineLessFish]

@@spindash64 Well that was a flop

[@frenchhonhon]

6:13 given that most players only want to make money and research points, most of them (if not all) will leave the bombers on their own. Adding an achievement/reward for escorting the bombers would make other players escort the bomber willingly.

[@quinlaw2755]

“Climb Higher”. If I spawn in at 15,000 which should be moved to 20,000, I still have to climb to 23,000 for some chance of survival and by then the Bf-109 are already above me even though they took off from the Airfield

[@TinyBearTim]

All the 109s got nerfed and what your describing is literally what the 109s were designed to do they are height fighters

[@cerephus]

"Ask your random teammates for help." Been there, done that. It doesn't work, considering the majority of players play for their own agenda.

[@cerephus]

Now that's an experience I haven't had. Probably because I don't work with escorts or other bombers. xD

[@tkestrel2100]

Most of us are still trying to not kill ourselves when grinding out our respective tech trees. Escorting bombers doesnt help with the grind. Flying with a wingman does, but at the same time can slow down research if not being done correctly

[@cerephus]

Yep.

[@Sereze001]

RandomWarThunder your lucky... I never get escorted and get hit by a rain of bullets from all sides 4 minutes into the match

[@bronztrooper9440]

I don't even bother trying to ask for an escort because I know the result is either 1) no response, or 2) people criticize me for not playing a fighter instead. Moral of this? Learn how to avoid fighters on your own and don't beeline for the bases unless you're using jet bombers, A-26C, or Do 217s. Your best bet in most bombers is to turn around at the beginning of the match and side-climb because other bomber pilots don't understand why flying in formation is a good idea (I've stopped trying to tell bombers to fly together because they never listen) and they're pretty much useless due to that. Get up to around 5,000m, then turn around and continue climbing towards your base of choice before leveling out at around 6,000m (idk what that is in ft.... maybe 25,000-30,000?) and bomb from that alt. When heading back to the airfield, drop to 0% throttle and start a long, shallow dive towards the airfield. Depending on which bomber you're using, you may be able to handle some altitude-burning maneuvers if you find you aren't descending fast enough. Bombers require just as much skill as fighters- the only difference being that most of that skill is directed towards surviving long enough to drop your bombs and head back to the airfield. It really helps to know the way most enemy fighters will climb on certain maps and use that to decide which base has the lowest risk involved. And if you're in a fighter and find yourself near bomber altitude, keep an eye on them because, at the very least, you could end up getting an easy kill on a fighter that ends up going tunnel vision on that bomber (I've gotten quite a few kills that way). And even if you don't, odds are they'll dive to avoid you, which can lead to you having altitude advantage over them if you end up in a 1v1 against them. You don't need to hover around the bomber, but try to be close enough to engage in a reasonable amount of time. It's funny how many times I've watched an enemy fighter hover by 1-2 bombers on his team for a couple minutes, only to dive to attack someone that isn't a direct threat to the bombers at that moment in time, giving me an opening to go for the bombers.

[@safetydoggo2721]

“You have 4 ways of defending yourself” However, in war thunder we don’t count the last 2. They are out of the question here.

[@harpyjia]

Gaijin, the repair costs are absurdly expensive!!! Please, put down these costs!!!

[@PancakeGamingLLC]

So glad I spaded my b29 6 months ago. To do it now would be horrific.

[@thefightingsquid7347]

I play my B 29 once every 10 days to not pay repair. Love that one game. The plane is amazing.

[@Kurtownia]

I started spading Tu-4 recently. The repair cost is around 30k, but whatever, I'm sitting on millions anyway, and earn around 30-60k every match, so 'git gud'! :D

[@budaiadam9553]

2.7-4.0 USA, most of them are real money makers. :) Who can't gather lions with other vehicles to spend on the expansive ones are such cheap guys, but yeah I feel you :) Mostly I own 1,5m max, but researching the last 17 missing regular airplanes from every nation alltogether comes with this :)

[@vincenttatin9279]

Strange... I NEVER had that problem I have no premium account and still have a steady 3 000 000 Lions And I am not that good :/

[@ShepardFR]

Crash Course: Bombers, Short Edition. Don't play bombers after cannon buff. See you next time.

[@Zalzany]

Crash course, Shepard is a scrub don't listen to scrubs

[@ShepardFR]

Mad bomber pilot is mad.

[@polaskatyu9368]

4 b29 squad ))))))

[@ShepardFR]

There were usable in Air AB before the cannon buff, they could just tank so much bullets, giving you plenty of time so pilot snipe anyone getting on you. Now it's just instabig mode.

[@yerrrrrd]

I played my French pb4y heaps of times after update, not a single game I got a kill or even managed to drop a bomb on base, before 1.79 I had a kd oF well over 1 in it now it’s about half

[@happyguy0105]

You know what Gaijin, instead of asking for teammates for escort, spawn 2 slightly lower BR AI fighters to escort bombers. That helps with the "bomber spreading on different targets" situation, helps the game move quicker

[@keithhall652]

Ask your random teammates for help?! Are you having a laugh??? Literally no one talks and if they do, they’re in no way interested in helping anyone but themselves!

[@thotarojoestar3045]

keithhall652 the only people helping are bomber players picking up fighters because they got tired of getting shot down in 7 bullets.

[@chrisbacon3071]

keithhall652 I agree with that I asked for an escort and my team said no and then I was killed. 😫😫

[@Real_British]

Mostly theyre all selfish when it comes for helping bombers

[@winstonchurchill5892]

Most games you can get into a formation if there are 3 or 4 bombers but good luck getting escorted. The fighters don’t want to climb that high or don’t look at the chat i only had 1 escort and he was in my squad.

[@MiSt3300]

keithhall652 that's why I always write: stay high! enemy fighters will focus on you and will be easy pray to me, I, as a fighter can completely blindsight a fixated enemy and easily shoot them down!

[@samuelschick8813]

Gaijin says when doing the bomber get up high where the fighters cannot go. My experience is no matter how high you go the fighters are already there. Pet peeve, when you respawn in a bomber you're lucky if you make it 5 seconds before being shot down since you spawn right in the middle of enemy fighters.

[@brownzerg]

Be careful not to run into a fly or it'll punch a hole straight through the entire aircraft. Don't turn too fast for the wings will snap off, as they are held by rubber bands and dreams.

[@AirBajan]

Escorting bombers in war thunder doesn’t work.....

[@memeboi8880]

AirB_ exactly fighters cant get up to that alt within that time... mabye in EC or sim but not in Rb or ab

[@Mightymite1]

You know bombers can spawn at the airfield, right?

[@sadiev2778]

@@Mightymite1 Then they lose the only advantage they have. And do you know how slow bombers climb? Big no

[@leonardofranzinribeiro4220]

@@sadiev2778 Well, yes. It's the price paid. Keep in mind that spawning behind fighters lets you hug the ground Wich can be mildly effective, and means the big confrontation starts before you get in the middle of the map Wich, if you're lucky, asserts your safety

[@sadiev2778]

@@leonardofranzinribeiro4220 Honestly I wouldn't even have such a big problem with getting swarmed by planes IF Gajin actually made bombers and damage models realistic. Not like how cannons make planes litterally explode in all breakable pieces possible. Either buff bombers or introduce a new gamemode which promotes bomber protection and bomber formations.

[@thenoobinator3508]

You have 1. Useless bombers 2. Boring bombers 3. Meme bombers

[@4neutro]

4. piñata bomber

[@zjanez2868]

5-attackers classified as bombers

[@gorgenpersson9599]

5.Game wining bombers

[@viet_cong_momiji2324]

6) rammers bomber player

[@userchanged6621]

The Noobinator after update yes

[@luiscruzbento9339]

To bad you nerfed rp gains for destroying ground targets with bombers or attackers. Since patch 1.77 gaijin is showing the middle finger to all players that use bombers or attackers, by reducing bomb and rocket damage, lowering rp gains, cannon buff ( this one was actualy a needed change), and now you do a video on how to improve your bomber skills? Your developers have a twisted sense of humor.

[@luiscruzbento9339]

Oh! Almost forgot to add the incredible high costs for repairing the bombers. Sometimes you guys seem to be completly out of touch with your own game.

[@Zeupeorvk]

70k for TU 60k for B29 B24 for 20K Lancaster 20k yeee so "balanced" especially lancaster which guns are super useless

[@harveyjones6234]

thats cause they are out of touch honestly think it would be better if the heads of the community got together to run the game instead of the devs cause clearly there braindead, in what universe did b17s get sheared in half by 7.7mms ? let alone the fact the games arnt even decided by bombers they have no role to play in the first place , they need to either 1. completely rework the game modes and maps to make bombers viable, or 2 rework bombers to make them fun to play

[@DiverWithTheBends]

I just main the b 34 cause good god at its br fighters either ignore you or you go 500 km and out run them cause reasons or the 50 cals. on top set them on fire. Just saying.

[@ohaithere8088]

Play Sim, the bombers get more kills than fighters because it's actually realistic. Oh, and you gain a fuckton more rp and sl too.

[@glizzygordon5395]

Biggest mistake that people make when playing bombers mistake number 1: you play a bomber mistake number 2: you play a bomber mistake number 3: you play a bomber mistake number 4: you play a bomber mistake number 5: you play a bomber oh whats this? you played a couple games with the B-29 and your out of money?

[@abramo7700]

Kosmos yes i have no money and i have 3 kids and i only have 22 sl left please help

[@thatguynamedtohuki]

have you tried the b29 in sb with premium? it gives a lot

[@luftwaffle4327]

And that’s why I use German bombers

[@chuckchuck4016]

i like big planes and ive managed to destroy a base in a He-111 with one wing

[@ooofisbored]

I still play bombers and it’s fun

[@mentalmans_6561]

Me: *Loses 0,01 cm of my wing* Game: *You have Been killed by:* *XXX_Insertnam* *You Will leave your plane in 7 seconds*

[@Gravity_studioss]

enemy: *shoots my tail gunner* game: Pilot knocked out. return to hangar

[@HighCaliberTree]

Looking for "Don't play them" comments is like looking for a haystack on a needle.

[@bookw3rm6]

HighCaliberTree all of the comments are don't play them. Which is right.

[@happyguy0105]

Bombers Pro-tip: Don't. Do not play bombers based On the reason that there is No way bombers can bomb stealtily or return fire effectively with weird camera angles screwing with aiming That's the Pro-tip

[@fulcrum2951]

War thunder players: "what is this 'formation' "?

[@wild1234]

A formation is a group of oh, a few dozen bombers flying together to provide cover fire for each other and hopefully not all get shot down. Kinda hard to do when you normally will only have 1 or 2 of the same type of bomber on a map:P

[@Zalzany]

Its called INVITE TO SQUAD. Normally if i fly in formation its 3-4 players in the same exact bomber or another one that can keep up and we all slow or rev up engines to fly in formation using voice coms to match speeds. And its just brutal as in formation you don't move much so you can all hit V and manually fire on targets and bomber hunters are almost always solo players so its just wonderful watching 3-4 sets of turrets fill the sky with tracers they are just fucked.

[@lukedaduke3533]

It doesn’t work, one plane with cannons just climbed up 4000 feet higher, in a dive they move so fast you can’t even target them, and most of them have cannons so death is instant

[@dizzynoodles1758]

@@lukedaduke3533 Death shouldn't be instant its not properly balanced and B-17s would not go down in one ammo load like that, at this point its completely ridiculous. Just play simulator or there is really no point in playing bombers past tier 2.

[@fullsetsunk4090]

"Mistake: Overestimate your gunners" Well, i never expect anything from them to begin with

[@dabeardoesstuff5412]

Wait til they find out that gunners actually did shoot down planes, and they had specific training to do so Meaning that they should actually know how to aim. But instead they act like they never touched a gun before

[@f4fphantomii468]

Ok, playing in formation is a bad idea. I've tried it out many times, doesn't work. You all get killed at once by fighters.

[@lubu523]

tried that with B-17, useless as most fighters will reach even if you "side" climbed. they have no fear while approaching you

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

It just makes you an even easier target. Spreading out and climbing to space is sadly the only way to avoid spacefires and other kill thirsty players

[@ftlbvd7862]

i have one friend who escorts me and i can usually do 3 rounds

[@Midnight_Snakk]

Good luck getting any support from a random player flying a fighter. They always ignore or outright refuse. As for other bombers staying in formation? Good luck with that. Bombers or Air RB battles need to be reworked to help better accommodate them into the battle. Not only this but bombers have no real impact on a battle. Perhaps reduce the amount of bombs needed to destroy a base and airfield?

[@Kulcsos12]

Mistake Number Six: You believe you are usefull In RB you are spotted by the enemy fighters from 20+ kms. This distance is more than enough for them to attack you in face to face. No matter how many gunners are you have if they all shot backward. If you are lucky and reach the enemy ground units or bases, your actions aren't counted. 5 tanks destroyed? Whos care? The air battles aren't more than a Team Deathtmatch. If your team die, you will lose the battle and you aren't help your team to win if you play with a bomber. This is sad, but true...

[@Zalzany]

Mistake Number Six: listen to scrubs like Kulsos here. I can do 30-50 ground kills in low tier bomber in AB, as in one french bomber I can kill over 50 ground targets I could leave after its shot down and still be highest scoring player not just on my team but whole match, git gud son. In RB I can get 1-3 kills with my gunners if manually aim, and drag people into traps for my teammates. I mean if don't get at least one kill I get 2-3 assits, and normally live long enough to drag 1-2 fighters right under scrubs like you's nose so you can dive for an easy kill on them. hell 2/3 times I survive whole match in a bomber, meanwhile scrubs like you even hand fed kills are lucky to get 1 assist then die faster then I did.

[@Pilotfox123]

Me to Zalzany

[@Kulcsos12]

AB, low tier, 50 ground targets... Oh come on... Are you want an achievement for clicking on the Reply button too? Who talking about AB here? Back to RB: Killing enemy fighters with gunners is one thing, play as a BOMBER is another thing. The main problem is the USEAGE of the bombers. You play as an AC-130 GUNSHIP while I want to play with the bombers as a BOMBER. In WT, no matter what are you do with the enemy ground units, if you don't kill some enemies, your team has a bigger chance to lose the battle.

[@gu3z185]

This isn’t true at all, 50 percent of the matches I played were lost to ticket bleed because the ground forces capped

[@drshinobi3979]

Yep not true since Ive seen bomber rescuing single handle a game in RB cause of sloppy fighters and interceptors. So they are vial for success

[@manfredgeorgburggraf533]

Haven't played Warthunder since a year... doesn't seem to get better

[@gurnard5703]

For short Rush bomb point by losing height Get engaged by enemy Die Hit the ground Sorry gaijin i love your game but air rb is too flat, and thats ironic And for all salty players. Im not a noob

[@sangus2425]

ok true for me

[@JoseJimenez-sh1yi]

FoxWarsX the B-29 is like trow cash into the fire

[@ΑλεξηςΓιαννακοπουλος-λ8λ]

One of the biggest prroblems is that there is no intuitive to players to fly in formation nor for fighters to eskort bombers

[@ΑλεξηςΓιαννακοπουλος-λ8λ]

Same goes with multiple tank viriants like spgs and aa

[@Sereze001]

FoxWarsX my poor poor Jer 2M... poor thing never manadged to deliver its bombs... not even once Update: This match I almost delivered my payload but a 109G apperared and killed me in two bursts

[@klausmuller4555]

After the Cannon Buff, the Bombers are useless

[@DaSpineLessFish]

Because bombers don't fit the meta

[@steyn1775]

DaSpineLessFish yup

[@lukadinicc2229]

At least its balanced now. Before only 50cals could snipe.

[@moxie_ST]

klaus Müller yes now bomber life is hard but do not rush like moron, take time and flanck, good old time of OP bombers is gone (for now).

[@TheSharpeful]

The weapons buff goes both ways ;)

[@poland.5986]

“Don’t go without escort” Me : *Goes with 3 bombers to bomb 3 bases* Me : asks for escort My team expect bombers with me : Nope gajin him self wont survive versus those 3 bombers *Later* One fighter shots down all of us in couple of shots

[@flabby2142]

Gajin is great

[@FBI-Agent.]

"Fly in formation" In my entire life of playing War Thunder I only experience that once, that was on a server it was the coolest thing I ever seen, it's like straight from a movie

[@theconfederacyofindependen7268]

The reason teammate players refuse is how often you don't need them

[@theconfederacyofindependen7268]

@@FBI-Agent. I don't think that's on my play war thunder list

[@iamgarland5022]

“Don’t try to out manoeuvre enemy fighters” Mate I was out performing a Typhoon in my He 111 I killed him too!?!

[@puppetplayz8730]

well we need you you are a professional bomber pilot PLZ TEACH ME MASTER SEMPAI

[@calebnasiatka5711]

I know right, I have won many dogfights in my B-34

[@raytastic2461]

It sometimes really help :D You are slower, and then they get in front of you, qnd *BAM!* Front gunner is killing him :p

[@eugenelee1539]

I mean it’s not really that hard to put maneuver a fighter right? The gunners end up forcing the fighter to fly away while your “maneuvering”.

[@thephantom2man]

Lmao the he 111 front turret is so meme too, my other turrets never hit anything but 90% of head ons 8 win cos the front turrets nailed them

[@user-qe2ie6jd7q]

He sounds like he almost laugh when he said ask random team mates he probably knows that won't happen 6:13

[@spade3779]

I love it how we have to teach Gaijin how to play their own game lol.

[@k9medic39]

This video is a sick joke to any and all bomber players. "A few good hits"? Bombers can be taken down with one little burst from one fighter, which isn't exactly accurate. "Never drop altitude. Always stay high up." You're kidding, right? Once you get to a certain altitude, you're no longer able to see your target because of the massive clouds. If you're not above the clouds, the fighters are coming to pick you off. If you're above them, you can't see below, and enemy fighters are still coming for you. You nerfed RP gain that goes toward ground strikes. Bombers are useless in arcade mode, alone in realistic battles, and simulators only have fighters because nobody wants to play bombers there. Right now Gaijin, your so called, "bombers", are just an excuse for you to say you have lots of "historical elements" in your game. My great grandfather piloted a B-29 Superfortress during World War II, and hearing his stories, I wanted to fly the bombers just like he did. However, I have to say, it sickens me that every bomber experience I've had I was just getting picked off by usually ONE fighter who climbed up high enough to get only me. My pilot was easily sniped, an engine caught fire from one stray round, or hell, a thick steel wing just snapped like a toothpick. I'm disgusted, truly I am. The aircraft element in this game is favored only for the fighters and light attackers. Anything heavier is regarded as useless.

[@MrKingoffire]

Beast totally agree. Its so bullshit this fighter meta

[@blackshogun272]

Beast I'm slowly ranking up my British bombers and heavy fighters. I've gotten my Japanese fighters and interceptors to 3.0 but something about the British aircraft was just alluring to me. I'm hoping players as I rank higher will be more resourceful and help achieve victory with my and other bomber players aid. But as far as I've seen it's just a bunch of fighters players going around one shooting each other and filling my bombers with holes...

[@Blind_Hawk]

That's very true, bombers are the worst balanced vehicles in War Thunder, which is a shame because these are so iconic and the biggest threat to ground forces and structure in general. Gaijin is very disconnected from their game and its meta, not climbing is a mistake, seriously? Maybe in tier 1-3 bombers, but after that every fighter and even heavy fighter climbs higher than you and only need to burst to kill you. My approach would be to make the bombers more survivable. Bombers like the Stratofortress, Flying Fortress and some heavy Soviet machines should take a lot of damage unless they hitting engines or something like that. And gunners should be more dangerous, especially in arcade so you don't get picked of so easily.

[@a.c.198]

Completely agree I have only played 1 bomber that could kill an aircraft and even then it's pretty much a 50/50

[@brodiemeachem5355]

K

[@grantkim1654]

trying to coordinate a team, in any game. *HAHAHAHAHAHA*

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

Literally EVERY. SINGLE. TIP you gave is not viable in the game meta.

[@StuckOnAFireHydrant]

If you made bombers their original durability and buffed ai gunners more then bombers would be viable planes to play again. Ai gunners should not fire at the max distance of .61km fully lvled. It should be at least .80km fully lvled

[@squidboii]

Yeah its pretty retarded since everyone engages you at minimum distance of 1.5km and your gunners don't even seem to see them unless they are less than half a kilo away from your plane.. with an aced max crew. Wasted my money to accelerate training on my BV238 to find the gunners are still dumbass retards.

[@steyn1775]

Joseph Leo IRL they only fired at around 200/400m

[@StuckOnAFireHydrant]

steyn17 tracking range is like .61km with a 60% chance of simultaneously firing and tracking i think the % might be higher

[@lukadinicc2229]

you do know you can use gunner manuely?

[@StuckOnAFireHydrant]

Almighty42 and bomb at the same time? Good luck with that

[@TycoonTitian01]

Allow fighters to climb with you: Best joke all day

[@JoseJimenez-sh1yi]

Bombers are usles in RB you cant fly in formation there 3 bombing point spread in the map. In AB have more sense because you need multiple drops for finish each base.

[@Troske27]

Then why there is so many noobs on Sunderlands when i try to fly on Japanese Ki-27 or Ki-43? Sometimes WHOLE enemy teams fly on Sunderlands. Once i decided to fly on Hurricane... and i was ONLY player on a fighter in British team! Players on Sunderlands started to laugh at me, saying "wow, fighterfag"!

[@moxie_ST]

Jose Jimenez team work is something bombers often miss, you split and get pick one by one.

[@dr.michaelr.foreman2170]

That is not so much the fault of the pilots. When you think of map design and consider what Gaijin put in place as priorities - it is awfully difficult to stay in formation. In addition, there are morons on every level who fly fighters and are too lazy and too arrogantly stupid to escort a bomber. Still to be fair, Gaijin makes sure any fighter plane which was specifically designed to be escorts for bombers, are given too low an air spawn and too far away to ever catch up to the bombers to give them an escort. Which is something which really pissed me off about this video showing fighter escorts when Gaijin went out of their way to make sure bombers never get an escort. Gaijin needs to make sure fighter escort planes, like the P51 as an example are given the proper spawn to be there beside the bombers. AS for those lazy morons who refuse to even try to give a bomber an escort all I can say is: Do not ever go fly a fighter in IL2 Sturmovik, because if you are given the job of escorting bombers or attackers and feel you are just too good to do that job, you will quickly find yourself removed from the squad and face penalties. If you are given the job of escorting attackers and/or bombers you bloody well better be there to do the job. This is something which has probably never ever crossed the minds of anyone at Gaijin. I guess it is just too complicated for them. And there in lies the whole problem with bombers and escorts in War Thunder. Something which was really over looked in this video. In IL2 Sturmovik, you are instructed to not leave the formation. If you spot enemy fighter a few kilometers off you are to ignore them. You only attack fighters which are a direct threat to the bombers or attackers. Often the enemy will send in a squadron of fighters to distract you and lead you away from the bombers or attackers and then a second wave comes in to attack the bombers or attackers. The experienced pilot will see what is happening and stop chasing the first wave of fighters and quickly head back to their charge and cover them. This is the what Gaijin needs to put in place. OTHERWISE wasting 70k lions on a bomber which is doomed from the beginning is nonsense. All I use to fly were bombers. Now because of Gaijn's kissing the butts of the cry baby lazy fighter pilots, and jacking the costs to ridiculous costs, then lowering the rewards to useless and jacking the costs of bombs - who the hell wants to fly bombers anymore.

[@adrianalbaladejo6902]

you split the bomb load

[@JetStream0509]

That’s why you fly to each base together and have one person drop their bombs on one base, another drop their bombs on a second, and so one. Basically, think of it as escorting each other.

[@Clericy]

Me: cover me pls Dude: *u ain't a bomber you have 1 engine..*

[@natedogggaming1607]

Me in a Ju-87 be like dat

[@sooryan_1018]

I mean.... get a he 111 dude..

[@LowQualityMemesHere]

@@sooryan_1018 V-156-B1 would like to have a word with you...

[@EightTwoElco]

SB2U: Am I a joke to you?

[@LowQualityMemesHere]

@@EightTwoElco Ah yes, but somehow, the Blenheim can out turn this dive-bomber that barely climbs, has sluggish acceleration and seems to be a fighter than a bomber

[@Sprottel_SFM]

Guide to playing frontline bombers: *gunner unconsious*

[@romancenturion8]

There needs to be RP given for fighters just being near bombers (escort).

[@AlarmingVirus]

Mistake number 6: You thought playing as a bomber main would be a good idea.

[@Zalzany]

Mistake Number 6: listening to people like this. I play as bomber main all the time in arcade can score up to 50 ground kills in a single t1 bomber. In tank RB I can get 3 or so ground kills and if lucky 2 air kills with an attack aircraft. in Boats I can take out a naval bomber like SBD-3 I think it was and get 3 air kills, and 4 ship kills... You need to git gud kiddo

[@AlarmingVirus]

Zalzany *plays arcade mode* lost all credibility just like that. Anyone can play arcade and do decent. Its called arcade for a reason. And ground rp cas isn't even hard either. You can kamikaze as a bomber and kill so many players.

[@timothybryant3277]

@@AlarmingVirus when he said he played air ab I lost it lol

[@Droid15243Z]

New player here, went the bomber route so far. Welp.

[@chazzistheman]

I just play as a bomber because they look cool

[@bruc1555]

*SUGESSTION* Why dont you make the gameplay a little more deeper, it would work so well for air rb and its not even that hard. *Here* , Make bases produce tanks which capture points and fight other teams tanks, you have bombers that destroy those bases and give an edge to their team, attackers help fight off tanks and fighters protect bombers and engage other fighters. Also maybe have bases that produce pillboxes and aa there are no limits, why are you relying only on fighter v fighter combat to make the game interesting if it could be so much more, this would make all aircraft types work in game and not make them useless

[@knightlypoleaxe2501]

Someone give this man a Medal! And someone give me a Tu 95!

[@electricbayonet2]

That actually sounds really neat. A lot of other multiplayer games work under similar ideas: the most memorable part is the clashes with other actual players, but the thing that actually wins you the game (or at least makes your victory far more certain) is the giving your stream of AI forces the edge to overwhelm your opponents' counterparts.

[@stephencrompton4352]

Idea: Make two separate air RB modes, one focused on bombing, one focused on fighters. Teamwork will become a more likely occurrence if the entire team share a common goal, even if they are in completely different types of aircraft.

[@mlady_richard]

Smart

[@mlady_richard]

Send it to gajin XD, (i mean in serious)

[@kaijuslayer3334]

That’s honestly the best idea. They need to make clearer boundaries between the goals of air battles to the point two separate modes would be ideal.

[@abdouldiallo5952]

3:45 Gaijin: If you want to live, don't." *Me, an Intellectual: Yeetus the Breathus.*

[@tewam67]

I remember in one RB match when I teamed up with 4 other B-17 bombers, we were being fired at by flak, with a small fighter escort. It was epic.

[@thatguynamedtohuki]

2:48 didn't the floats on the Be-6 just multiply? :D

[@xx_insert_cool_username_he6876]

Yes

[@majster3783]

,,Do what ever it takes to stay high" *hits blunt*

[@mr22jk2]

Underrated

[@cptcool-__-7501]

US Army Air Forces gunners defended B-17 Flying Fortress and B-24 Liberator bombers against fighter attacks with machine guns aimed by hand (“flexible guns”) and electrically-powered gun turrets.

[@ItsJustMak25]

every war thunder vids: AsK yoUr tEaM mAtE fOr hELp

[@b0nkiesp0nkie8]

Me: *tells my team these tips* Them: "Shut up noob" Also them: *flies at 300m with a b17 to bomb ground vehicles*

[@xSleeper.]

well when i fly my B29 my gunners do nothing... even with full skills...

[@squidboii]

Yeah they need to improve AI gunnery so that bomber pilots dont have to juggle flying, aiming bombs and gunning at the same time. Or come out with 2 player bombers where 1 flys and bombs and one guns and navigates. But Gaijin only loves money and not improving the game by adding better maps or modes!

[@hailtouhou855]

Donald J. Trump its crazy but i Kill a mig with the AI gunner of a bomber (the PB4Y)

[@Zalzany]

You hit V and fire them yourself... And mine do pretty well in my bombers but mind you big ones like b29 I would rather manual fire no reason to not your not in a SB or a fighter bomber why the hell are you not gunning it yourself? I mean are you that newb who pulls up trying to jink tripling the size of your wings, engines and fuselage going "come drop your ammo load here big boy," or what? In a big bomber anything minus A D, and Rudder usage will triple if not more the size of your plane to the enemy fighter... plus make it harder for the gunners to hit anything.

[@tux8000]

your B29 gunners maybe not, but my low-lvl Ju 88 gunners do! and I myself - mostly cuz with the Ju 88 you are able to stretch the hunt so loooong that they will end up right behind you 95% of all times - and that is where none wants to be once all three turrets start unloading all their rounds (trust me - against the Ju 88 A-4 it hurst ALOT to get hit by it's turrets - even though they are 7.92mm its still 4 of them pointing right on your engine, pilot and wings)

[@halo64654]

People really rely on AI gunners? lol.

[@lionljb]

average bomber experience: fly up high in formation, one fighter with the climbrate of a Lunar rocket pulls up, everybody dies, fighter continues to fly, fighters in team stay low or do the same with enemy bombers

[@ali012alshair]

Unfortunatly everyone fight alone .. They have no interest to play as team. The Game-Mode is hardly alows the fighters to escort the bombers

[@spindash64]

Dr. Anarchist I think they should give points for escorting and formation flying. Gaijin is already better at promoting teamplay than some other games, thanks to assists being still quite nice in RB, but we can go further

[@wild1234]

As a high level bomber the game punishes you if you fly in a formation. You will only reach 0 to 1 bases before the fighters intercept you. Only 1 bomber is needed to kill a base. If a 4 bomber formation flys to a base, 1 player gets a base kill and one enemy fighter gets 4 bomber kills. Better odds of getting a score if you scatter and hope that you are the bomber that the fighter flys towards last:P

[@lubu523]

everything busy grinding, if you stole a kill sometimes the victim will shoot you down and don't care

[@SpewtGG]

I one time flew alone at 5000m to the bombing target in a b17, I was intercepted by 3 bf 109’s all at once and took every single one down. Most heart racing moment I’ve ever had in a match of warthunder

[@robertsiford1175]

I call bull

[@SpewtGG]

Robert Siford u gay

[@yashimaru7107]

@@SpewtGG you better be talking about the earlier models because there's no way in hell you're surviving 3 cannon using 109's

[@SpewtGG]

@@yashimaru7107 it was 3 years afo

[@jacktanner4948]

The only winning move in the current meta is not to play. That wont change until Gaijin decides to make lasting changes to shake up the gameplay, unfortunately they seem excessively reluctant to do anything apart from run a few minor tests of things like EC every now and then.

[@stimproid]

What would you like to see changed?

[@wild1234]

Heck, I would just be happy with them replacing air RB with enduring confrontation. Preferably with a few tweaks to it, but even as it sits now it is a vast improvement for playing as a bomber in a RB setting.

[@jacktanner4948]

Almost anything at this point, but I personally always enjoyed the EC events they put up, felt like every aircraft had a role in that mode, Gaijin seems to be endlessly putting it on for a weekend to test, then nothing happens. In ground RB I wish they would do more with the spawn point system to balance teams, its really frustrating to get unluckily knocked out in the first moments meaning you are relegated to playing an AA, worse still this tends to create a snowball effect where one team wins decisively, you dont get back and forth games which is a shame, because they are by far the most fun, for both sides. Lastly world war mode, I was delighted to get an invite as a tester, but Ive only ever had one limited chance to play it as they test it so infrequently. Scoutings another great improvement, but there is almost no reward for doing it. Its a shame because I feel Warthunder has gone from strength to strength in terms of content and graphics, but the core gameplay has always been neglected or a comprimise.

[@dovaiS]

Wild1234 Yeah but those take hours, how about making another Enduring Confrontation instance but with RB controls and RB tank spotting (You have to spot enemies yourself and no enemy markers appear).

[@bullymaguirehimself138]

"Get used to flying in formation" I don't think a single player ever has done this unless its with their friend'

[@smigoltime]

TBD is technically a bomber, but it's way better at being a fighter lol

[@olivevkb]

They're still pretty easy for me to shoot down, though their gunners sometimes make a lucky shot on me.

[@smigoltime]

Im not easy to kill in it )))

[@olivevkb]

Monitorbite Tea Time With Stalin Nah, I kind of neglected those naval bombers/dive bombers. I'm actually kind of neglecting aviation in general right now since I realized my graphics card is subpar and only good for ground (since ground is less demanding).

[@smigoltime]

SB2U is great too but TBD has much better manuveroubility

[@deez7829]

Narrator: "Ask your random teammates for help." Me: "Defend the objective" Teammates: "I refuse" "no" "negative"

[@apache2236]

Bombers at tier 1-2: ahahaha, what you could possibly do to me, i'm at 7000 already Bombers at tier 3-7: What could I possibly do, i'm only at 7000...

[@Demospammer9987]

Higher altitude? I'm running into Spitfires, Typhoons and P47s at 5000m, getting pilot sniped and crashing while my gunners just stare at them doing nothing.

[@daniboyrulez]

Don't see why your making a crash course if you can't even fix the bombers in the first place

[@partydemon2849]

2 years later still no formations or fighter escorts

[@Bruno-G]

Do not play with bombers, with the new cannon upgrades, knocking down a bomber is so easy.

[@youraverageengineer6957]

"bombers are filler planes" *proceeds to grind more bombers* "man bombers are so bad they cant do anything" *keeps grinding bombers* "bruh bombers are useless" *KEEPS ON GRINDING BOMBERS*

[@peturch.2656]

It would be really cool to have bomber formation so the fast climbing fighers can't kill u so easily but the bomber players are fighting over who gets the bases and not to work like a team.

[@lootrat4556]

2:51 don’t try to out Manoeuver enemy fighters *laughs in Sunderlund

[@arpadpinter6050]

Do you guys remember the Japanese bomber that has a 13 second turn time?

[@eugenelee1539]

At the start of a random air arcade game, I usually select a fighter and try to see if there are any bombers on my team, if there are bombers, then I end up sorta escorting it. When I’m flying a bomber, I usually end up flying alone, and there aren’t any enemy aircraft because their all dragged into the massive dogfight in the center of the map, if someone does end up coming to get me, one of my teammates usually comes out of nowhere and kills them

[@natedogggaming1607]

Exactly for me, except when someone tries to get up to me, at low BR they just can't and at high BR I die because I have no friends on War Thunder and my teammates were all dragged into the massive dogfight you were talking about. Occasionally the fighter who is attacking me will have someone on their tail from a previous dogfight, and then I will get saved by a teammate. Other than that, nobody helps really.

[@calvinhuddleston576]

I play as a fighter to escort my buddy in a bomber, you're pretty much boned if there's more then one but your best shot to save your buddy is like he said, drag the enemy fighter down into combat to distract it

[@aidenthompson9917]

I showed this to my inexperienced friends and it helped them a lot. Now we can do bombing runs in formation on the battlefield! Bombers are my favorite aircraft and I am glad that you are teaching the people who are in need of information on bombers. Thank you!

[@jakobc.2558]

Ore simply use the B-34 and enjoy the following Things: - Almost nobody can catch you - Lower the enemys at 1.3 km distance and burst fire .50 cal them to death. - Outmanover Every Bomberhunter and some Fighters. - After dropping bombs go bomberhunting yourself with you brilliant board weaponry

[@maxs.3238]

Only bomber worth playing. Also it seems to me that it's the only one that can take more than one hit without falling apart... Flew that thing back to base with one engine, half a tail and Swiss cheese fuselage :D

[@jackal3180]

In all of my experiences if I try to climb I miss the whole fight or I get killed by a small plane and most people who play war thunder have never heard the word teamwork

[@camembert2350]

War Thunder:Your gunners are not to kill Tu-4:hold my vodka

[@puppetplayz8730]

lol

[@MiSt3300]

as a fighter I love to protect bombers and fly around 1km behind them. Then the enemy fighters attack the bomber (or try to climb to them very hard) and are completely fixated 90% of the time. Then, they are just so easy to kill, in a low energy state.

[@bulgariagaming2408]

*BUFF THE BOMBER'S GUNNERS ACCURICITY* *!*

[@cuphead8159]

Make guns more accurate and make the bombers more durable I get instakilled by a 109k or yak every match if I play bombers

[@bulgariagaming2408]

then just ask for escort

[@cuphead8159]

@@bulgariagaming2408 friendly fighters don't climb fast enough to be helpful A good system would be a escort spawn for fighters They spawn with a bomber If they don't stay with a bomber they die They can teleport back to there bomber every 30 seconds If they can't teleport back they won't die And if the bomber dies The fighter is free to do whatever he wants An alternative idea Is make all bombers as capable as a b34 That bomber is so good I literally can dog fight with it Of course it's still a bomber so I eventually get out turned But the gunners are amazing at it's tier and the fighters have minemal armor is it's a turkey shoot Oh and it's front guns are good enough to do head ons

[@bulgariagaming2408]

Cuphead , aha but you see then you go down :D

[@calvinhuddleston576]

Escorting bombers is a easy way to get kills, usually the interceptors will stall while trying to engage the bombers and that makes them super easy to hit, even if they don't they are very predictable when going after the bomber

[@jakethegamer4977]

"no gunner can save you" *laughs in Me 264*

[@bravomike4734]

The bombers that uses formations either just goes straight to the bases giving them the list possible amount of time to climb with 100% of the enemy team still alive or they decide their targets then split and goes around the map to get picked off one by one by that one fighter that strayed from the rest to hunt bombers in the most extreme far sides of the map.

[@sdtmusic1134]

3:45 "If you want to live, don't"

[@polarjet1833]

“Never split away from the formation, a lone bomber is a good target” Me who always goes alone in my B-25: *lip smack* I beg to differ

[@toastymctoastface7532]

thats me

[@StuckOnAFireHydrant]

Hold up. This video is encouraging space camping

[@bookw3rm6]

Joseph Leo thats the only way not to die the second a fighter pops up on the radar at this point in time.

[@thedesertfox6889]

POV you're a fighter plane harassing a bomber plane: Pilot knocked out POV You're a bomber plane pilot: You wing has been hit/gunner unconscious/bombs havent dropped yet/ tons of Yak and P51 mustangs on your tail/ your plane is diving nose down/ pilot knockout

[@spacecraze2948]

yeah but seriously, how do you fly bombers in this game? buff the bombers, they're completely pointless

[@FancyTacoCat_]

Thank you so much I really needed help with the bombers!

[@antnsw2562]

2:05 Not in a pby 5 catalina

[@kiubekpl5863]

Yea becuse most fighters dont have cannons at that br

[@undertow619]

Flying in a formation really makes sense because with multiple bombers flying together you get both a higher volume of fire and an enemy plane has to worry about crossfire ripping him to shreds.

[@Damian-03x3]

Got HO-229 today :D It's amazing!

[@reddragonemperor5217]

Damian030303 it was better 3 years ago, i got matches where i kill 15 planes. The good old days. Its a good plane i take her for a ride sometimes

[@Damian-03x3]

Mice is completly stock, but it's good anyways :)

[@lunatic_3521]

Aye, I just unlocked it and test flew it. Second thing I did after taking off was drifting with the HO on it's front gearleg XD and after that I managed to snap the right gearleg and reached the point where I was drifting sideways on my left and front gear leg... there should be some kind of HO drifting sport man LUL

[@Damian-03x3]

Drifting with this thing is really fun :)

[@pinguspringus8356]

How to play strategic bombers: Step 1, Pray Step 2, Die Step 3 Dont. Step 4, ask for escort Step 5, get ghosted like you were by your crush Step 6, Fly your best Step 7, get to your target SOMEHOW avoiding enemy aircraft step 8, BOMBS AWAY! Step 9, Get noticed by fighters. St3p 10- Give up on bombers

[@okca5846]

I do broadsiding like a true gentleman.

[@sciencetechfreakers3777]

Finally after sooooooooooo many years

[@Hippo_Heli]

Isn't it fun to fly in a straight line with the occasional Space-bar?

[@spindash64]

SPKY 13 No, but it is fun to be a flying battleship, and give them the whole broadside

[@ricaredojeco66]

some enemy fighters are going up high same high as the bombers go and what they do is going to hunt down heavy bombers. This just makes the bomber users more harder to play.....

[@straightfacecomedy6572]

Whats the plane at 0:11???

[@fortis3686]

Straight Face Comedy BV 238

[@muricaman6135]

Every time I join a match in a bomber I ask for cover and suggest formations with other bombers and they give no shits lmao

[@theoriginal13coloniesusa11]

The A-10 is a whole formation in one aircraft

[@Dan86130]

"if you want to live, don't" *yes, he's right. Because If you don't live, you can't die*

[@generalgrievous5789]

This really helps me to get better in flying bombers

[@theguy1506]

Tip number one? I DEFIED THE ODDS AND LIVED ON A WING AND A PRAYER

[@natedogggaming1607]

I have a replay saved of flying back 10 km to base on 1 1/2 wings (I was using a Ju-87). It was awesome.