Crashing in Hong Kong Just Seconds After Takeoff - Lockheed Hercules Disaster

[@renferal5290]

After watching your channel for about a year now, I became brave enough to book a flight to Europe, LOL I will think of you while on the plane. Great video as always.

[@TheNeroScout]

Carefull when go to Europe now. It's earthquake season. They testing Haarp system in Europe. Look at what happen in Turkiye and new Zealand.

[@riverwildcat1]

Be sure it’s a first world airline like Lufthansa, American, or United. Maintenance failures and bad training afflict smaller foreign airlines.

[@jackcobb1090]

Right? I went to Florida from New Jersey last month and I decided to drive😆. Statistically, you are more likely to be killed driving your car to work than you are flying in an airplane.

[@loughton57]

@@riverwildcat1 If possible fly EL AL; they're supposed to be the best pilots in the world, plus no record of crashes

[@fayrouzu]

@@loughton57 lol did you not hear about their amsterdam crash. shitty airline from a shitty country.

[@cjc1103]

I flew L-100s for a cargo airline. The takeoff briefing is very important, also the mindset of the flight crew, you have to be ready for an engine problem.The captain should have directed the flight engineer to shutdown and feather the No. 4 engine immediately, and the takeoff could have been continued on three engines. I have no idea why he did not do this, as you practice these events in the sim all the time.

[@cindyknudson2715]

This happened in 1994, I think. Perhaps this crash is the reason it is a scenario in flight simulations?

[@rxw5520]

Same reason for almost all the other crashes in second or third world countries. Shitty training, shitty maintenance, or both.

[@mikeb5340]

Thank you l was thinking same thing and turn around back to AP

[@danijuggernaut]

Something wrong with the Prop Pitch Controller (PPC) or the Beta tube leaking. Most Turboprops have the Beta Mode inhibited on airborne. The Governor will allways mantain RPM, but with no torque..... Like you say, shut down the engine. I don´t thing the prop went to reverse, the Negative Torque System NTS would activate and feather automatically or at least indicate some negative torque. Another thing is that on Beta Mode the Governor is bypassed, that means they should have RPM fluctuations. The prop drag would slow the engine down because the Governour does not regulate fuel anymore.

[@danijuggernaut]

@@rxw5520 I just wonder what the flight engineer was doing.

[@pbateson]

I was a kid while still living in Hong Kong. I saw in the newspaper an L-100 Hercules crashed into water after taking off from Kai Tak. Might be poor maintenance on L-100 Hercules. It was one year later after China Airlines a new B747-400 overran on water.

[@karockgrok]

Excellent content, as always. I love the cars driving through the flatbed @1:00

[@brunoais]

That's a simulator thing

[@charade97]

Have you noticed all the vehicles are travelling at exactly the same speed?!

[@barbaramarshall8095]

Thank you for posting this. I flew into Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific from Shanghai a week after this incident. We were told that a plane had gone off the runway into the water but no details- now I know. RIP all the people who lost their lives.

[@viewfromthehillswift6979]

I know a USAF pilot who flew KC-97s. Once, shortly after takeoff the #4 propeller went uncommanded to flat pitch, producing enormous drag. He said they never got more than 500 feet off the ground and it was the most challenging flight of his career.

[@danijuggernaut]

A big problem on low altitude, you can´t pitch down to gain speed.

[@geoh7777]

It seems from other crashes or near crashes that trying to take off and immediately having a speed problem is not particularly rare. Why not increase throttle settings and Vr speed to both detect the airplane's engine performance and give a better chance to have a successful takeoff in case someone screwed up on takeoff weight etc.?

[@danijuggernaut]

@@geoh7777 Whaaat, helloooo. Speed problems before V1 take off abort after V1 get airborne. It is rare have speed problems after V1. Because crashes or near crashes are rare with this issue.

[@tomwilson2804]

2:04 Looks like the crew had some back problems.

[@pdobos]

LOL

[@spacecoastz4026]

First guy was limping for sure.

[@jaydoster]

Given the high standards of TFC videos, images of humans in-motion are always lame. Passengers/crew display neurological impairment as they lurch towards plane. However, considering incredible detail elsewhere, it's simply amusing...

[@tomwilson2804]

@@jaydoster I totally agree! Given that his attention to detail in every material aspect (he even worries when the cockpit configuration isn't 100% accurate and points it out), the uncomfortable people movement (and occasional baggage cart noclip mishap) is just something that would be too hard to change for little benefit.

[@ozwogman]

@@tomwilson2804 You guys know that these videos are made using MS Flight Simulator right? They're not individually animated.

[@donnabaardsen5372]

Very sad, but out of every disaster, important lessons learned.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

I feel reassured that the next disaster will have an entirely novel cause. Unless it's Boeing's crappy software, when it has to happen twice (plus several near misses) before they wake up.

[@jokers7890]

Yes the lesson is do not have a for profit carrier that does not make enough profit to pay for basic safety and ends up murdering people.

[@margeebechyne8642]

I'm so sorry not all survived. It's always so sad to find the mechanical problems could have been prevented with the recommended maintenance. There is nothing the captain and crew could have done to prevent this tragedy. Excellent presentation. Thank you.

[@helmuthj.zotter7272]

Feather nr4 Propeller.......

[@Eseseso494]

I always find the crashes where they say the pilots couldn't have changed the outcome no matter what to be among the scariest. Their fates were sealed the moment they took off the ground. RIP to the 6 victims.

[@naughtiusmaximus830]

I suspect there were warning signs that went unheeded like pulling to the right on the runway. Not to imply the pilots were responsible.

[@riverwildcat1]

I'm a big fan of the Smithsonian Channel program 'Air Disasters', which uses a full hour to dig deep into every crash they investigate. Turns out that frequently there are several causes combined, mechanical or ground crew failures, as well as bad luck with weather, etc. However, about half the time the pilots make dumb mistakes and fail to communicate rationally for fear of offending. Many airlines have, or had, a policy that the Captain was boss, and crossing him or making him mad for any reason could lead to reprimand or demotion. More than one terrible accident happened because the First Officer was frozen in fear. He knew, for example, that the flaps weren't correctly set, but was scared to tell the Captain. Third world airlines were particularly vulnerable because of traditional power structures and fear of being shamed.

[@adotintheshark4848]

@@naughtiusmaximus830 Not to mention a slower than normal takeoff acceleration

[@cameroncameron2826]

@@riverwildcat1 The same problem is back via gender. along with a sense such will never be open discussion no matter what happens.

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

Rest in peace to those who lost their lives. It's too bad pilots don't have ALL the maintenance info needed.

[@jokers7890]

True, but the point is the carrier cut costs on maintenance so they also of course would not spend money on providing info to the pilots. Meaning if they dont do one then they definitely do not do the other, so thats a mute point. But the real point is the carrier is responsible for murdering these 6 people, and the entire capitalist system is the root cause.

[@jmWhyMe]

Such a sad but typical story. Failure to do maintenance, poor training, lack of CRM and a possible language barrier if the crew were not all from the same country. It seems like we hear this same story over and over and these airlines figure cheaping out is worth more than human life. Until governments start making these choices too costly this will keep happening.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Not sure if Government fixing things is ever an answer, an effective one or humane one. (One look at the late COVIDIOCY episode testifies to that) The massive costs to unsafe operators is perhaps the best motivation to perform. "If you think safety is expensive.... try an accident" Truly, the genesis here was proper maintenance specified, but not done. Yet government inspections / requirements were in place. No civil "government" can guarantee wise action by individuals OR prevent unwise action by them (neglecting maintenance). Companies are made up of people and sometimes bitter experience is the best / only thing to teach lessons. This is why smaller & 3rd world air carriers frequently are put out of business by a single air disaster, they simply can't bear it's cost in human / financial terms. In this way, the air carriers that succeed typically run better more maintained fleets - safety & success rewarding the diligent, or punishing the negligent. This is the path forward - thankfully the way 99% of Air operations run. One more note: I wonder if those drowned we're not buckled in & suffered disorientation upon impact, thus drowning. RIP to the 6 Souls !

[@donnabaardsen5372]

Thanks for the spoiler.

[@jmWhyMe]

@@psalm2forliberty577 in my experience the only thing more corrupt than governments is big corporations seeking profits

[@psalm2forliberty577]

@@jmWhyMe Not in mine. 3 things make corporations less so: 1 - Corporations don't make law 2 - They have to please: A - Customers B - Shareholders 3 - They don't have a 'monopoly on violence' (power of the sword) as Civil Govt does. I'm NO defender of big corporations OR big governments. Asking which is better or worse may be akin to asking "Which would you prefer contracting, Polio & Cancer ?" Lol, sort of. The reason I commented is your comment seems to assume that Govt regs are not onerous for Air Safety & Maintenance. They already ARE. They already FINE negligent operators but that has limited effect: small firms tend to skimp or skip maintenance, due to limited resources. So they couldn't pay the BIGGER fine you suggest government levy. As it is, aviation safety is MASSIVELY improved overall, (but small exceptions remain like this & GA (private planes) ). From 2009 - 2019 not a single commercial aviation fatality or major injury occurred in the USA, over 450 million passenger miles flown. That's amazing progress....when major accidents occur, safety & systems are improved & upgraded, in a partnership between aviation operators, authorities & manufacturers. Hope that encourages you. Safe flying to you !

[@godarkertilldeath]

Government controlling everything isn't going to fix anything. I cringe Everytime I hear that.

[@williamchristian8705]

As always the recreated videos are of the very highest quality. I watch these videos with absolute clarity even as a non pilot. The information provided is in great detail also. I imagine the work involved is time consuming. I at one time was terrified to fly. But I feel I’ve acquired a vast amount of knowledge and experience from your videos. A good friend of mine was a pilot for a commercial airline. In High School he rented smaller planes and would go with him. He taught me a few things and let me fly a bit back in the 70s. Thus I’ve always been fascinated but fearful of flying. Over time and many flights I’m comfortable and trust the pilots in control. Thank you.

[@eileenweeks1815]

Qqq

[@kellysavalas5937]

I love at 2:05 of the video the rested crew go to board the flight walking like they are drunk.

[@annnottingham2270]

Informative asa always, and I love the detail of the little lights all over Hong Kong. So much detail.

[@VolcanoGroupie]

That airport was one of the scariest I have ever flown into. You could see people inside office buildings as you came into land. Glad it was replaced!

[@mrslcom]

Named The Kai Tak heart attack.

[@kiviuq3495]

You remember it well. Who remembers a dull airport?. It made an impression on me too. We remember because it was exciting!

[@ronaryel6445]

The flight might have been saved had the number 4 engine been shut off promptly and the flight continued on the other three. There is no excuse for not inspecting engines, cables and other parts of the aircraft for seven years.

[@williamparker1085]

always an excuse in this part of the world....never fly Garuda either

[@nicolestewart]

This was so so sad especially since they could have survived if they could have all gotten out. It’s tragic that the others drowned. Omg imagine being one of the survivors. The ptsd just knowing you survived and the others couldn’t get out? 😢❤

[@husseinandout3867]

Not everyone has PTSD. Some survivors continue their lives as if nothing happened. I've witnessed it before.

[@PRH123]

I think you would feel pretty happy that you made it out... Why would you feel guilty if it wasn't your fault....?

[@Dee-oj5zm]

@@PRH123 Survivor's guilt

[@TheRealNatNat]

@@PRH123 totally agree. But I got flamed once for saying just that. Why feel guilty when you are not to blame. The so called "survivor guilt" is just PTSD and has nothing to do with actual guilt.

[@PRH123]

@@TheRealNatNat yes I think so…. or it’s a thing people may say when a journalist is pointing a camera at them…

[@jck9480]

Sad ending. Again, the newer FlightChannel videos barely show the frame for those who perished as compared to the older videos. And the majestic music that once accompanied these videos, including music in the beginning is gone. Wonder why such changes? It takes away from these high quality videos.

[@StalinTheMan0fSteel]

Another great video! Now you put me in the mood, I've got to go watch some of your old videos again. 8-)

[@zombinosh]

The amazing graphics on this channel are second to none. Glad that I subscribed.

[@2puffs770]

Your videos always do justice for these poor victims of aviation disaster! RIP, to the victims. Praise to the Almighty for the survivors!

[@lunayoshi]

What should we say to the Almighty for the people he didn't save?

[@QuaintMelissaK]

@@lunayoshi That’s typical for people who say that type of thing to ignore the dead. BTW…the Almighy doesn’t even exist.

[@normie8895]

This airport is now a Go Kart centre, I used to often fly into this airport and dropping down to the runway between tower blocks and take off approached HK Island at an alarming rate which was not much fun!

[@curtisgregory517]

they stated the Flight Engineer had18T hours. This is so basic, ,,,, it is the same in all multiple engine aircraft. engine failure feather the prop. Today engines are so reliable you never get any practice and people become complacent. In the old days the DC-7C , , You started everyday with four sick engines. >The Curtis-Wright R-3350 Compound.< That engine gave us plenty of real practice with engine failures.

[@Blackairaviationofficial]

R.i.p to those pilots they didn’t deserve it 😢

[@adotintheshark4848]

Yet another instance of routine maintenance being skipped, with dire consequences.

[@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd]

I love how the first shot of the video is just endless 747s

[@kerrynight3271]

I'm so sorry lives were lost, but I'm really glad all those Vietnamese who were taken back to Vietnam weren't on the plane. They probably weren't happy to be back in Vietnam, but they had to have been grateful they survived.

[@riverwildcat1]

Excellent graphics look just like those 30 year old Hercules planes. If the pilot had shut down the number four engine, the Hercules easily could have gained altitude. It’s a “heavy lift” and high powered turboprop, the kind they fly into hurricanes. It was practically empty. No cargo, right? The number four was in reverse thrust mode, correct? A Hercules could take off easily with three good turbos. Those were highly experienced pilots. I hope they survived.

[@judgegrowler]

I wouldn't say excellent graphics. They have used the incorrect aircraft model LM-100J (C-130J) which didn't exist back then and the Cathay Pacific paint schemes are all incorrect. The background Cathay paint schemes might be acceptable... but because we a talking about a propeller system failure, we should be at least representing the correct propeller system.

[@riverwildcat1]

@@judgegrowler Wow. You know your stuff. Did you fly the Hercules?

[@judgegrowler]

@@riverwildcat1 Yup... I flew the E, H, and J model C-130. I also apologize... upon re-reading, I realize my comment might have come across as condescending. That wasn't intended... merely a function of writing comments very early in the morning when I have just woken up.

[@riverwildcat1]

@@judgegrowler Not at all. I never take anything personally when a thoroughly knowledgeable source expresses factual truths. It's generous of you to mention it, too.

[@alyabdullah5472]

Despite the low level of flight and low speed of the plane, as well as its fall into shallow water when the accident occurred, all these factors did not prevent the death of almost half of the passengers. RIP>

[@tabby73]

Actually exactly half.

[@someonee3186]

I remember reading about this in Wikipedia although there wasn’t an article for it. Thanks TFC.

[@Bud5150]

The nb 4 throttle dropping back to flight iddle just after Vr, means clearly that this plane suffer what we call a "Throttle Cable Failure". The nb 4 propeller goes then to beta range and run like a giant airbrake, explaining the right bank angle after take off... The description of the emergency procedure concerning this loud failure is clearly written in the C-130 Flight Manual... The only way to recover this hazardous situation is to feather the propeller by the emergency T-Handle, AND DEFFINITLY NOT BY THE CONDITION LEVER, due to hazardous cable wiring status. Feathering the propeller by T-Handle nb 4 at this time, could stop the aerodynamic drag and help to get back to emergency 3 engines operation. RIP.

[@CaptainCAVU]

The Flight Channel was incorrect when they said at 6:31 that the No. 4 propeller thrust lever went below flight idle. According to the Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department accident report, there was no throttle movement, only engine instrument indications. What showed "Throttle Cable Failure" was "power indication unrelated to throttle position". The procedure for this, as you correctly stated, is to shut down the engine using the fire handle. According to the accident report, both the co-pilot and flight engineer had shown weak performances in emergency procedures at their most recent recurrent training sessions. What ultimately caused the crash was the pilot didn't use FULL left rudder to correct the yaw caused by the No. 4 prop in reverse.

[@Bud5150]

@@CaptainCAVU No sorry man... You are confusing with "Unexplained RPM Fluctuations..." procedures which involve with TD system. BUT!... TD system definitely doesn't occur at all within "Throttle Cable Failure..." procedures. TCF only concern within mecanic cable wiring failure, between Throttle, Condition Lever, Engine and Propeller Valve Housing. If this occurs, Throttle moves alone in hazardous way and vibrations occurs in Condition Lever. I confirme that crew MUST pull the T-Handle ONLY to feather the propeller in electric way and definitly not feather it in a mechanic way... This is to avoid an unknown and erratic running of the propeller while being feathered due to the cable failure. Sorry for my english, may be I'm not explaining in a good way... In an other hand, may be you are right when you say that TCF doesn't match with this video.

[@CaptainCAVU]

@@Bud5150 YOU ARE CORRECT. I relied on a USAF 1C-130B-1 manual dated 1 MAY 1995 and on a US Coast Guard C-130-1 manual dated 1 JUL 2001 which used the procedures I originally posted. On further checking, the USAF C-130E(H)-1 dated 1 JUNE 2003 shows the procedure you talked about. I am editing my original reply to indicate that you are correct.

[@Bud5150]

@@CaptainCAVU All right man. I should pricise that I talked about the only version I flew In the past as Flight Engineer and loadmaster in the French Air Force, I mean the C-130H-H30. Absolutly don't know all about all the other versions.😉

[@las2665]

I had hope that all would survive this crash because the plane was low and slow but unfortunately half died by drowning 😢

[@ILoveNumbers_MarioFan]

At least there were survivors. Better that than everyone being dead. Hope the survivors didn't feel guilt.

[@las2665]

@@ILoveNumbers_MarioFan yes me too

[@chrishensley6745]

Makes you think how good Sully did landing in the water with all them souls on board.R.I.P. for those on this flight that did not make it.

[@jdekong3945]

great as always TFC x

[@kenclark9888]

That’s pretty cool to have those types of propellers on a 130 back then. They didn’t come around until a few years later

[@paullacey2999]

So sad.I was hoping for a better outcome😥

[@gaziamirkhanov2897]

Thank you for your effort in making such a good content for us 🙏🏼 don’t give up

[@kazzercise]

Why the click-bait thumbnail of the plane inverted crashing into the city when that's not what happened?

[@tabby73]

I just wrote a similar comment. He does this a lot, adding flames for example when there was no fire, and today this 🙄

[@josh__mclendon]

I know it's controversial, difficult, will take a lot of work, and will be a long episode... but given the way you tell these stories with the transcripts, your focus on the engineering, the respect you have for the tragedies... I think it's important you one day cover American 11, American 77, United 175, and United 93. I know there is plenty out there if you wanna see some drama. But you would not do it like that. You would do it correctly.

[@terryhughes7349]

This is a crazy accident. Not sure the crew could have fixed this.

[@rickrickard2788]

While they basically say there wasn't much that could've been done- I still find the First Officer's (FO) actions, a bit troubling. The captain called for "gear up", yet this was never carried out- engine whine or no, he gave a direct command, and this plane may have had a better outcome, if that had be accomplished before hitting the water. Just my opinion on this. The real issue, of course, is the stupidity of checking those cables only ONE TIME, since 1987. This happened in 1994- so 7 YEARS of wear & tear, never being looked at. Unacceptable. Planes, (hello!), fly. Once of the ground, there are lives at stake. Skimpy maintenance is NOT an option, for any airline. My heart goes out to those 6 lives lost over pure stupidity & laziness.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

I was rooting for them to all make it. Damn..... No Captain Sully miracle. 😪

[@AndisweatherCenter]

I love your videos!

[@flybobbie1449]

A former Heavy lift pilot told me he rarely crossed the Atlantic in the Belfast aircraft and arrive with all 4 engines working.

[@murdeng]

This is going to sound pedantic but is relevant to your video. Your simulation model of the C130 shows a six bladed propeller, this is most likely the Dowty R391 however this equiment was not fitted to the C130 until 1996, so could not have been on the Heavy Lift L100 (civil version of the C130), prior to the the aircraft was fitted with the four baded HS 54H propeller. The relevance being that this was 1950 tech using cables to actuate the propeller and pitch locked. The six blade R391 is fly by wire electronically controlled and also couterweighted and specifically designed to not have the failure mode described. I know this as i was the project engineer on the R391 system and we were aware of the failure mode that caused the accident, with the 54H and had to account for it in Failure Modes Analysis for Type Certification. However keep up the good work as I enjoy your channel, finding it very interseting and informative.

[@ilovetotri23]

Interesting video! Can't wait to see you post a video about the recent flight event from Hawaii to LAX.

[@asiyaheibhlin7297]

Oh no. I was stationed in Hawai'i and often had to use LAX to fly home to visit family. What happened?! 😬

[@asiyaheibhlin7297]

Nevermind..... wow. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/13/united-flight-maui-hawaii-san-francisco-pacific-ocean

[@vaega2507]

Unless I’m wrong, the propeller “decoupled” from the gearbox. “Decoupling” is to protect the engine from excessive RPM. If the propeller starts “driving” the engine, the propeller will decouple. Because it was at a lower pitch than the other propellers, it “pinwheeled” driving its RPM into excessive ranges. The engine should have been shutdown and the propeller feathered immediately. Also the C130 shown in the video has J model propeller, which for an aircraft made in 1979 is incorrect. It most definitely had the 4 bladed aluminum propeller from Hamilton.

[@kengoodwin5838]

Another fine video

[@pbdye1607]

No. 4 might've been jostled into a failure state by the captain using reverse thrust to back out of their parking area. =/

[@susangreene9662]

I was thinking that as well.

[@ericg3955]

It is normal for a Hercules to “power back” it is a common procedure

[@rgarlinyc]

Great video as always TFC, thanks a lot. 👏🏻By the way, next time you speak to the Microsoft FS team let them know the HK they showed at the end was the not the 1992 version, more like the 2021 version!😀

[@ecclestonsangel]

I will actually watch your show while I'm flying to my destination. I'll admit that occasionally an F/A has seen what I'm watching. Then I tend to get the side-eye. I just tell the F/A it's an educational documentary. Then I get an eyeroll. It's pretty funny!

[@watershed44]

@ecclestonsangel I guess that makes them nervous too.

[@Lilyslifexo]

Phew. Wasn’t sure how long we could wait for the next upload! 💪

[@dannyadams2211]

Kai Tak on MSFS is extremely fun

[@stever41g]

Great graphics.

[@LV2UXO77]

The assumption that everything was fine with the plane's control cables for 6 years caused this horrific crash! This is so sad for the pilots to have gone through right after taking off. My deepest condolence to the families of the loved ones they lost in this tragedy. ✝

[@toro5338]

Being a retired aircraft mechanic, I understood each explication of yours and "almost felt being into this flight". I also must say you did a terrific job with your hi-tech display vid 👍👍👍 I'm sorry for the lost lives! Oh, btw, absolutely I don't like the awful bite thumbnail 🤮👎

[@scottfranco1962]

Amazing that only one engine malfunction could have brought a four engine hercules down.

[@gustavoc6812]

Death by drowning would be my biggest fear in this situation.

[@doctoremil2678]

May I suggest an incident to review? The 1976 Zagreb mid-air collision. With 176 casualties it was the worst mid-air collision in history at the time and it remains the worst air disaster in Croatian history (though Croatia was part of Yugoslavia back then).

[@Dimension2010]

3:12 Cars crash into each other on the highway.

[@michaelbedinger4121]

Very interesting video, thank you. 😊

[@stelios.a]

Great and substantial work, kudos! What FS software do you use to make the videos?

[@fintanbochra]

Another certified magnanimous classic!

[@halfdome4158]

Magnanimous?

[@fintanbochra]

@@sirensynapse5603 - iMages Are Hopefully in Your head since 1982… Lovey-Dovey Night Highfalutin

[@fintanbochra]

@@halfdome4158 Don’t be greedy! It makes you unhappiness…

[@fintanbochra]

@@sirensynapse5603 - Methinks you don’t know what Engrish is…

[@naughtiusmaximus830]

Why wouldn’t the captain feather the prop and shut #4 down? I would also guess the prop was stuck in the beta position since reversing from the gate.

[@jnlketcham]

They would have noticed the problem by the taxi thrust differential and/or the scan of the engine torque instruments just before brake release. It seems more likely that there was a steady decrease of power in the #4 engine during the takeoff roll. However, when there's doubt about the status of an engine, feather it! A lightly loaded C-130 should take off and climb nicely on three engines, followed by a gradual return to the airport.

[@gusmc01]

Thumbnail is a little misleading don't you think?

[@mayobabble]

With a engine failure, feather the prop. They practice 3 engine take- offs. With one of engines in the lowest power setting to allow air to past thru. No cargo and the fuel not bagged out it should have been able to take-off at flt. idle, but not in the grd idle range.

[@melvindodson6827]

This is great

[@josemoreno3334]

Great videos. Two thumbs up.

[@tabby73]

Why is the airplane shown flying upside down in the thumbnail? I love your videos but not the thumbnails you use where you often seem to attempt to add additional drama. It's really not necessary.

[@veronicaroach3667]

We must always remember that we humans manage to do very brilliant things but always subject to these quirky happenings either man made or machine faults, and we are never 100% safe in anything we do. Rest in Peace all those who died in this incident, and hopefully some good has come out of the research on what happened.

[@pdobos]

11:23 I'm surprised there's not a lot of boat accidents the way they drive.

[@kieranedwards5347]

Love TFC, but why do you feel the need to show the plane inverted on the thumbnail? Can’t you be satisfied that your content is good enough, without needing to over dramatise for views?

[@speedracer2336]

I lived there late 80s, they had several crashes at the old kai tac airport!

[@mrslcom]

Spectacular view landing into HK’s Victoria harbor at night.

[@blanne9628]

IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO READ WHEN EVERYTHING IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE THE ENGLISH-READING BRAIN IS TRAINED TO READ THE SHAPE-CONTOURS OF LOWERCASE

[@13ritneyanne]

I always cry when I watch these I dunno why I do it 😥

[@coriscotupi]

A simple engine failure would not have had that much impact on the airplane's performance and controllability, so it had to be a propeller issue. They could have cut the engine, climbed to a safe altitude and returned to land. But yeah, easy to say with the benefit of hindsight and in the comfort of the air-conditioned room.

[@judgegrowler]

Just a heads up... You have used the incorrect external aircraft model, an LM-100J (C-130J) which did not exist back then. It might seem pedantic, but because we a talking about a propeller system failure, we should be at least representing the correct propeller system. The 4 bladed props on the incident aircraft are a different engine and older hydromechanical propeller control system, whereas the ones displayed are a completely different system that could not fail in the same way.

[@waynejohnson1304]

Why didn't they just shut the number 4 engine down?

[@FranGy24]

Hi TheFlightChannel I was wondering if you could make a video about an air crash that happened in my country (Chile) last year in Villarrica, please?

[@davejones542]

Heart breaking

[@frtdog]

Wish there was more info. I flew the C-130 E/H in the Air Force but I don't know if the cockpit configuration was different in this aircraft. Also, after V1 the aircraft is certified to continue the takeoff with the loss of an engine. If the prop flat bladed there would have to have been multiple failures as it should have auto feathered or condition lever to feather or, and I don't know the cockpit configuration, but there were feather buttons as well. (I am taxing my memory here as it has been 40 years since I flew it). There should have been both a mechanical and electrical way to feather the prop. Another confusing thing was that the engine showed 100% but the torque was 0. Maybe someone here can shed more light on this.

[@bearlemley]

I had a tape cable break on. Cheyenne 400 in flight. But that was a garret so we could push the power up with the tape cable but not retard the throttle below 40%. So we had to shut it down and rely on the NTS system to go most of the way into feather then all the way with the prop lever. I lived

[@jehenn9545]

Uncommanded throttle movement? Likely cause: throttle cable failure. May go to takeoff power or maximum reverse, according to the book. Procedure: Don't move the throttle lever; don't move the condition lever; pull the fire handle. Perform takeoff continued after engine failure procedure. etc etc . Land as soon as practicable. Been that way since forever.

[@karronlaneNOLA]

thanks for the video. did the captain and cocaptain survive?

[@mannypuerta5086]

#4 Condition Lever-FEATHER. Maintain V2-V+10 on initial climb out. Engine Shutdown checklist. End of problem. Return to land.

[@ericg3955]

Given the nature of this emergency it should have been shutdown with the fire handle not condition lever due to the uncommanded throttle movement

[@mannypuerta5086]

@@ericg3955 The fire handle doesn’t feather the prop. Only the Condition Lever actuates the feather pump. The Herc won’t fly in that situation, at that low speed with one windmilling.

[@ericg3955]

@@mannypuerta5086 incorrect. I am a C-130 Flight Engineer and the fire handle will 100% feather the prop, it is an electrical signal to the prop vice the mechanical one the condition lever provides. The procedure for throttle cable failure is to shut down the engine with the fire handle not the condition lever. The worry being that if the cable has rats nested around surrounding cables you can make a bad situation worse.

[@mannypuerta5086]

@@ericg3955 It seems I forgot that function of the Fire Handle. I haven’t flown a Herc (G model) since early 1987. The Condition Lever, as I recall, electrically actuates the feather pump. Without the feather pump or prop oil…no feather. The point I was trying to make is that in that situation just after takeoff, without feathering the engine, directional control and climb out is essentially impossible. The Herc is a great airplane, but those props create drag that is very difficult to overcome when aircraft weight is high and speed is below minimum control combined with a windmilling prop. Jets are so much easier to manage when an engine quits.

[@ericg3955]

@@mannypuerta5086 you are correct in the fact that without feathering the prop directional control would be near impossible. I fly T models (Air Force H models I believe) and maybe things were different in the earlier variants.

[@b.t.356]

Predecessor: Nope, nothing wrong with the aircraft Narrator: there was indeed something wrong with the siri

[@georgesenda1952]

I would buy a coffee mug or travel mug if you had them available.

[@samuellowekey9271]

It's terrifying watching the way those Hong Kong motorists just drive their cars through each other.

[@CMDRFandragon]

Take action for No. 4? Engine off, feather the prop? A Herc can climb on 3 engines right?

[@giostisskylas]

Please produce an episode about the crash of Nürnberger Flugdienst Flight 108 on February 8th, 1988 in the German Ruhr Valley.

[@jaybee9269]

It would have been 4-bladed props and green livery on the Cathay Pacific planes. (God, being old sucks.) Otherwise very nice.

[@melaD333]

Love your channel but why does the thumbnail show an plane being inverted? The plane didn’t invert did it? Or did I miss that part?

[@suenettleton2286]

Such a sad story , even though these people could have been saved 😢 how do you explain to the families that those people left behind 😢 😞 😢

[@antarcticviking]

HeavyLift was an Australian cargo airline not British. The airline itself lasted to 2002

[@antarcticviking]

Interesting enough both the UK and Australia had each a cargo line called HeavyLift but they were separate entities

[@WayneM1961]

Why were so many people crammed into the cockpit? surely the Captain, FO and engineer is adequate. Not that it mattered some accidents the cockpit crew can do very little if nothing to avoid. This one seemed mainly down to improper routine maintenance . AHHH! those steam gauges! Some would argue they are "proper pilot instruments" not the crystal-clear digital glass displays of todays aircraft. Nicely told TFC I'm sure I don't know where you get the graphics from for some of these more obscure aircraft.

[@philip3060]

another terrible thumbnail, massive disrespect to the crew

[@tabby73]

Thumbnails are often misleading on this channel unfortunately 👎

[@novandypramana]

One of the personel is my wife's father, and he's off duty. Capt. Adisurya 😭

[@melaniebrooks7121]

I'd never fly in one of those planes ever.