Crawlmaster 12t vs Titan 21t

I think the win goes to the 12t Crawlmaster Sport. Links Below
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Traxxas Titan motor
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[@4sixrc143]

I really enjoy your channel. You do a great job on comparing products and that really helps me in my builds. Weather it’s tires motors esc’s or whatever. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work my friend! 🤟🏼

[@ExocagedRC]

Thank you for watching the videos.

[@adidastrev8689]

Great info!! Always appreciate your product testing videos!!

[@mickd8188]

Good comparison, both motors getting the job done. Clearly the HH Crawl master has that little bit of finesse that is a nice thing to have when building and upgrading our trucks.. Cheers 👍

[@KTMcaptain]

Honestly, I can get all the finesse needed out of the 21t titan on my trx6. It’s main issue is the weak brake. That why I upgraded to a mamba x puller pro 2700kv setup.

[@jamesduncan2719]

The rings are for more resistance from the magnets giving more of a snap into the turn placement. The more poles, more torque. Less poles is more speed. Snaps in place faster.

[@BMJAUDI]

“Okie dokie, I’ll take your word for it” 😂😂😂

[@Houleigan]

Good job once again my friend!

[@klampfinger]

Great Video. Exactly what i wanted to see. The difference between stock Traxxas ESC an the 1080 would also be interesting. Great work. Thank you.

[@but531]

We must admit that Holms Hobbies is in the top of the line in really low crawling speed. Also as the Holms hobbies say they have very high quality parts in all their motors. I am new in crawling ,5 days with my first scale truck Trx 4 and i must say the rc crawling is a nice category.

[@alittleofeverything7296]

we'd be interested

[@kram62751]

Dude... I FUCKING LOVE your signature "spaghetti wiring"!!!! Keep it real and keep the video's coming! You Rock Bro!

[@ExocagedRC]

lol I change stuff out so much I can never really anchor them down.

[@aiwaloki]

It's interesting to see the minor differences between the two motors. Titian for slight top speed and the Trailmaster for more control crawl. TY. Great video.

[@nicksimon4016]

Crawlmaster. Trailmaster is the green label motor with an available identical turn number to the Titan.

[@terrenceonmin770]

really like the HH motor..😄

[@hinnmanfamily]

I wonder if you could tell them apart if you went with a 10 tooth pinion on the stock motor.

[@ragsixracing]

Don't know if anyone mentioned, the titan has advanced timing, where the cm has neutral timing. Comparing the hh 21t 3 slot trailmaster to the titan in my trx6, I found the titan had more speed and torque. i noticed the difference mostly when needing 2nd gear wheel speed. The hh couldn't clear certain things that the titan could. I did not notice a difference in low speed control. Maybe due to the difference in timing, a 10 turn crawlmaster may be a good replacement to get better torque than the titan. I've been contemplating the 5 slots but was confused as to where to start. I think the 10 turn will be my choice.

[@modelnutty6503]

REALLY nice fair comparison of the two, the 5 slot for 20 bucks the definite winner. prefer ball bearings both ends but YES, just the one at the output is plenty good. it's a cap motor (not endbell replaceable brushed), the bushing there is going to outlast the motor+brushes anyway. just watched Holmes video on his magnets, on these lower end motors they're stronger and more consistent strength center to edge. he's right they'll deliver 20-25% more power+efficiency, I know it'll reflect in the run time as well.

[@ExocagedRC]

Yes I saw that magnet video too, that was awesome to see the differences between them. So with the consistency of his motors vs the magnet inconsistency of the titan, I may have have a good titan in here vs some with really bad magnets.

[@modelnutty6503]

I'm old-old school, playing in the early Astro-Flight cobalt days too, those magnets were "da chit" back when, delivering crazy power!

[@billderas3420]

Joe. Good tests! Too close for me to call. FYI...When I upgraded my motors to the Crawlmaster "Pro" series, I experienced potential for slower uphill speeds and better hillholding...Which I attribute to better magnets in the cans.

[@ExocagedRC]

Bill Deras yeah the Pro is an amazing motor. I have the 10t and have several videos on it.

[@douglasparnell3224]

For two motors that cost the same I’m gonna have to get a crawl master. Thanks for the info

[@KTMcaptain]

I 100% agree, but I wouldn’t upgrade a healthy titan 21t to this. Would be a great replacement though once it’s worn down.

[@comeandtakeit5709]

Holmes hobbies motors are a game changer, any of his motors will blow Traxxas junk outta the water.

[@jaylatham4108]

crawlmaster all the way for me

[@49thparallelCanuck]

I got the crawlmaster 12t on Sunday and first thing I noticed was the wheels speed was way faster,this can also be seen in the video.maybe a gearing change might be a good idea

[@ExocagedRC]

Jcanuck73 changing gearing would make it faster but it also negatively affects other aspects of the drive, control and efficiency

[@skrip2143]

The titan was literally faster 😂

[@Gmcworrior1]

Hey any way u could do the same with a summit? Im looking for a replacement motor and esc for my summit. The 21 turn also powers the summit and with a top speed of 19

[@jburgess5]

I was going to change out my stock esc that came in my Traxxas Defender for a HW 1080, but noticed in your video that it really didn't provide total stopping power on the hill. What causes some crawlers to stop on the hills and others keep on slowly creeping down? Or what is it that I have to buy to make this work? Thanks for all your help, and really enjoy watching your KZbin channel.

[@ExocagedRC]

jburgess5 most any brushed motor will creep down a hill. All a brake is, is a resistance or dead short between the motor leads. So when the motor tries to turn it generates power reverse of its rotation so the more it tried to roll the more it resists, when the rotor is almost stopped it produces very little reverse voltage so it will creep. Holmes hobbies has an esc that senses that and will hold it. It’s the BRXL. You can get a close to stop with gearing. The other option is the Hobbywing Axe system, it actively monitors rotor position and will absolutely hold it on any hill unless gearing is way off. It also stops smoothly from any speed. Hope that helps.

[@sixteenornumber]

1:34 pull off the flux ring and watch the KV of the motor drastically change. They do make a big difference.

[@TW39]

What has more Torque 12t or 21t

[@mahyukiyukiee3621]

With one is good for RC crawler? Help me

[@DickGibson]

I am using a trx4 Sport as my test bed. I have ordered the crawlmaster just like the one you featured in this video. The Sport has a different gearing on the motor. I have been thinking about going to the same gears as the two speed model you just showed. What do you think please??

[@ExocagedRC]

I like the 45t spur better

[@DickGibson]

@@ExocagedRC What Pinion gear with the 45t spur please While you are testing the Sport could you use it to show the before and after of over/under differential gearing?

[@loum7008]

It's interesting that the Titan works well. Actually everything on a Trx4 Sport works well from the factory. It's like a Corvette. Excellent out of the box. Put tires and shocks on it and it is a different car.

[@andr.3348]

Except the sticky shocks.

[@MarcoLemmetti]

So we’re sacrificing a loud motor but has torque or, get a quieter ride with a 5 slot but not as efficient when crawling super slow

[@mike253905]

How do you have your servos setup ? I’m looking to upgrade my trx4 but don’t want to lose functionality. Are they all running off external bec or some off external bec and some off the bec in 1080?

[@ExocagedRC]

The shift and diff servos are off the esc. I believe the steering servo was on a bec. It’s been a while since I did this one.

[@mike253905]

@@ExocagedRC thanks for your response brother. I appreciate it

[@trist5254]

Great video, I'm new to crawling with a HPI venture but seem to have better trails in the area and enjoy it more but I'm after a little bit more speed for a bit more excitement, any thoughts? TIA

[@ExocagedRC]

Well go with the 8t Crawlmaster Sport 550. Awesome $20 motor from Holmes Hobbies

[@chiccorocker]

Nice comparison, thank you! About to try a 5 slot myself from Surpass hobby, curious how it will perform.

[@ExocagedRC]

Enrico Tagliavini I did a video with the Surpass 5slot in the trx. I had the 13t 540 size and it didn’t do so well due to the trx requiring a reverse rotation motor. Check my channel for that video. You can see how it runs.

[@chiccorocker]

@@ExocagedRC Thank you for the advise. Not a big deal if it doesn't work well, it's so cheap anyway. But I got the 550, not the 540. Tested on the bench and the power is there. Cannot get Holmes Hobby for a good price where I live and they seems to suffer a lot from mud from what I can see on the internet. If this one I got doesn't work I'll stick with the Titan that works well already.

[@chiccorocker]

Also in the Surpass hobby 550 timing can be inverted as it can be customized, so not an issue for the reverse rotation.

[@ExocagedRC]

Enrico Tagliavini ahh I’ve heard you can do that with that 550 size. Let me know how it works out please.

[@chiccorocker]

@@ExocagedRC sure enough, hope do it during the Christmas leaves or right after.

[@thegreatrc9302]

Hi I love your channel I just got the TRX 4 G500. I noticed that the physical trigger on my radio is not smooth when doing slow crawl it kinda “sticks” a lil bit to the point that doing a very light touch on the trigger would make me skip throttle input a hair bit. Is that normal with the traxxas radio? Thanks

[@ExocagedRC]

Yeah it can be. Sometimes the plastic doesn’t slide so well. You can hit it with a quick shot of wd40 if you want to try to smooth it out.

[@Miguel-lk6eg]

I’m confused on what brushed Turns should i get, I like my crawler to be slow with a lot of torque and somehow slight speed what turns should i get?

[@ExocagedRC]

Crawlmaster 10t will get you a little more speed and still crawl great.

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

I'd like to see a 550 Crawlmaster Pro(longer armatures) VS a 540 Crawlmaster Magnum(larger diameter armatures).

[@ExocagedRC]

Tom Lucas yeah me too. Holmes himself isn’t sure which one is stronger because of the specs you listed. Question is when can I get a new Magnum? LoL

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

@@ExocagedRC hahahahaha. They aren't cheap.

[@tobydyes]

How are you comparing two different Motors they both should be made by the same manufacturer

[@gooorooogaming]

What connectors are you using for quick swaps? And are they water/mud proof?

[@ExocagedRC]

I just use regular ole 4mm bullets. I’m sure they’re fine in water and mud.

[@gooorooogaming]

Exocaged RC thanks Joe!

[@robdiangelo1081]

How would a 12T Titan go ?

[@WillB.6759]

I've seen the same setup in your ecto hw 1080 an a cm 550, an the drag brake was much better. Will that be due to it being a lighter rig?

[@V8chump]

Could even be gearing. I dropped a couple teeth on my trx4 and it made a huge difference in the drag brake

[@scottharkness2905]

I don't see a big enough difference to consider this an upgrade... have you tried the brushless hobby wing 2 in 1???

[@ExocagedRC]

They are close, only some people can really tell the difference on start up. Yeah I’ve had two of the 1800kv fusions and they are really good systems.

[@RomanChub]

The 21T motor spins more slowly than the 12T. But for some reason everything is the opposite for you - your car with a slow engine goes faster for some reason.

[@bestamerica]

' my R/C traxxas motels are traxxas 550 motors... all tamiyas uses 540 motors... another R/C tonka truck with 6 wheels uses two kyosho motors... half tamiya frog and half traxxas stampede uses a tamiya 540 motor... traxxas stampede truck with 6 wheels and twin 550 motors

[@matthewfojtik994]

What do you think is the best brushed motor for a trx4 sport

[@ExocagedRC]

Matthew Fojtik the 12t you see here. If your budget it higher then I’d say the Crawlmaster Pro 550 10t

[@matthewfojtik994]

Exocaged RC is the crawl master or torque master expert good, if so what turn

[@KTMcaptain]

Stock titan on the trx6 sucks... it can crawl really slow and we’ll, but the drag brake and even full brake is crap. Steep easy hills can’t slow down in 2nd gear using full brakes. Glad I went with the puller pro cause this brushed replacement doesn’t look like a worthwhile upgrade over a stock healthy 550 titan 21t. I see this as a quality replacement for when you wear down the titan 550.

[@vicc6744]

I see you have an 11 tooth pinion what spur gear? great video- I have an old AX10 buggy 18 tooth pinion 87 tooth spur-32 turn/1220 kv motor- would this 12T motor help the wheel speed on my buggy? Thanks-

[@ExocagedRC]

It may make it a bit faster but can you fit a longer 550 size motor in your truck?

[@vicc6744]

@@ExocagedRC I think so there is about 2" behind the motor as it sits

[@financialloser]

The Titan is smoother power on that 2nd gear sand hill

[@sarip79yt72]

on my Crawler Master Holmes Hobbies, much better than Titan👍🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

[@blindj]

I also have HW 1080 esc w/stock motor in my TRX 4. Some brass, hyrax 1.9s beadlocks, lcg battery ttay. I am using flysky gt3b radio but my reverse seems a little too jerky. Would you mind sharing your 1080 settimgs? Love the channel and watch daily, keep up the great content.

[@ExocagedRC]

BLIND J set the expo on ch2. You can adjust it right there to give you a curve so it’s not as touchy. All my Flysky radios are hacked and they have the expo feature and I’m pretty sure the stock ones do too

[@blindj]

@@ExocagedRC thanks for the reply I'll definitely look into it and see if that can be adjusted.

[@ExocagedRC]

BLIND J actually this is interesting. Maybe I need to video how expo works?

[@blindj]

@@ExocagedRC I understood it more for steering but I am looking it up for my specific radio and I just came across a video tutorial but have not watched it yet. I thought it was more of a limiter but did not realize you can use expo to "soften" initial throttle response. I thought that had to be done through the ESC. Which with the 1080 it can be but did not know you can do it through radio also to achieve a super smooth response. I have only been in the hobby 8 months own 4 trucks and still learning daily.

[@ExocagedRC]

BLIND J yeah the radio is the easy way and it’s way more adjustable on the fly than in the esc.

[@faiz4875]

So..which motor is better for hardcore off-road ? 12t or 21t 550?

[@ExocagedRC]

21t Trailmaster 550 or the 12t Crawlmaster 550, either of those two motors will do you fine.

[@faiz4875]

@@ExocagedRC thanks for the valuable information

[@faiz4875]

@@ExocagedRCAre the motor 550 21t can use for Esc 40A with 2s lipo 5000mah?

[@gatti493]

nice test , i saw no reason to want to change my titan 550 for the Holmes motor , maybe if and when my Titan gives up ?? just checked the price of the H.H. Hobbies 12 turn 550 and it looks like its $114 as opposed to $20 for the Titan ?? :0 i take it this is a typo ?? or i have missed something as i certainly dont see a $94 difference between these ??

[@RealJawnes]

The crawl master is only $20

[@Yacht5.56]

How does it have two gears it’s a sport

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

I can absolutely believe the efficiency of the Holmes motors. With a better esc it'll run even longer. A few weeks back my wife was driving my Son's scratch built TRX4. Axles are locked, underdriven rear, 2-speed, SSD brass portal covers, 1800kv Revolver, BLE Pro esc set to Dithered mode AND while lithium grease in all gears. It ran well over 3 hours...and she likes to do donuts and burn-outs. I was amazed how long the 2200mAh 3s lasted. Oh...nothing else fancy...stock tires and wheels with a PL 1970 F100 body. I don't think most people believe me when I tell them this.

[@ExocagedRC]

Tom Lucas that’s awesome man. I need to get one of his esc’s to try the dithered mode.

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

@@ExocagedRC The BLE Pro set to Dithered mode works best with a 2-speed rig....well...you know...run'n brushless that is. A Castle rep/tech at the Pro-line By The Fire was telling me the 1080 had 360-380 throttle steps. About the same as the SW3. The BLE Pro/Mamba Max has over 700 TS's. The Mamba X has 1200+. I'm just repeating what she told me. I would think this would cause a huge efficiency increase. Sorry to make this so long Joe. Hahaha

[@ExocagedRC]

Tom Lucas yes I’ve read the same about the throttle steps, Holmes video on using the esc curve rather than radio curve is a good one. I appreciate the tech man. I’m half tempted to do a video on expo on the radio since that would be a rather simple video to do and I have several radios to work with.

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

@@ExocagedRC That would be a good video. I had a hacked "for 6 channels " Flysky. I couldn't figure it out so I sold it to a buddy. I put a throttle curve in the esc via Castle-link on pretty much all my esc's. It helps.

[@davidsimpson363]

@@ExocagedRC a video on expo on the radio would be great! Did you do it and I missed it??

[@jamesvonlindern1522]

Yeah just bought a TRX builders kit hope to get some help with it any help would be grateful

[@one4x4nut]

Dang! In only get like 30mins out of a 2200 in my ascender with scx10 ii axles under it, running hw1080 and currently trying a 550 out of the redcat gen8’s

[@ExocagedRC]

14x4nut yeah man you need a new motor.

[@one4x4nut]

Yeah, I normally just run axial 27t’s but wanted to try a 550 and it was cheap, I tried a 540 27t trailmaster sport and it fried before one battery.

[@ExocagedRC]

14x4nut you may have other issues with your truck. I know the 10.2 axles if not perfect will not run smooth. What’s your gearing?

[@one4x4nut]

Exocaged RC I just swapped the axles in like two days ago and ran the TM sport awhile ago. I was running the older axial axles and it’s whatever stock spur and a 18t pinion. And yeah it seems that if you don’t hold the pinion out (seated) it grinds. I’m using original scx10 driveshaft ends that I had to grind down to get the pin in so it’s holding against the inner bearing.

[@ExocagedRC]

14x4nut ok I was going to mention shimming but it seems you figured out the axle gear bind. Gearing should have got lower with the 10.2 axles as they have a 3.75-1 ratio as where the older axial axles had a 3-1 and the stock ascender axles were horrible at under 2-1. Your ratios should be good for general slow driving. Is the battery good? Old?

[@1elaijah]

Lite vehicle won’t show the differences as much

[@mohammedusama4113]

Seems like he never interchanged motor,

[@mrawesomeshark5268]

Hi

[@WIDGET738]

Pssssst... TRAXX + TRX-6 = 🎄

[@ExocagedRC]

A Google User I just haven’t been impressed enough to get the traxx

[@coyoteden3773]

Not impressed with the tracx at all for the price

[@zodwraith5745]

Except that crawlmaster no longer exists and I just got a replacement for my Titan for only 18. Maybe HH didn't like so many buying a low margin motor? The 15t 5pole is just too slow for anything outside of crawling.

[@HIinfidel]

Neil Ogaard CrawlMaster sports are still there......idk where you got your info from

[@itachi__s3]

Pinion ?

[@ExocagedRC]

Stock 11t

[@BROtheBRAWLER]

2 speed trx sport ?

[@Blacksheep3029]

I was asking the same thing

[@RealJawnes]

He did the 2 speed conversion

[@davidbanaszak562]

Crawlmaster, it had better dragbreak in the videos. Motor turned slower and it had better control down the rocks.. or at least what I saw watching the video.

[@ExocagedRC]

David Banaszak you saw what I saw and I agree

[@jmaclaren4147]

The crawlmaster has zero brush timing. The Titan has I believe 12 degrees advance timing.

[@douglaselliott8298]

The Titan is a better value getting my vote for one simple reason. The Titan comes with the wires already attached and ready to plug-in. The Crawlmaster requires I purchase a soldering iron, solder, wire(s), electrical connectors, shrink-wraps, and possibly other appurtenances. If it ain't 'Plug-n-Play'; Homie don't play.

[@royomtb]

you can just request the motor with the wires already attached from Holmes Hobbies.

[@modelnutty6503]

if you don't have a soldering iron, you're not a hobbyist at all. there's no excuses Homie.