Some comments! Higher quality ingredients can slow a motor down. More torque, more drag brake, lower turn count for same speed. As evidenced by the 10t sport being slower than the 14t reedy. The sport motor had better "hold" brake due to drill balancing. The Pro will start up smoother and slower, but the tradeoff is less static hold. The pro would shine more when loaded down more, as you guessed. It has about twice the torque of the sport, but more than twice the price. Price to value ratio, I would also call it in the favor of the Sport!
@mikebird82903 жыл бұрын
THANKS FOR YOUR HONEST OPINION SIR
@brookerobinson853 жыл бұрын
Swapping to a Holmes motor in a few of my crawlers was definitely a big upgrade . Watching this makes me think maybe a 8t sport in my enduro ?
@thomasheathcote16423 жыл бұрын
I think the crawlmaster pro would've been a better comparison to the reedy or the crawlmaster sport if it were a 550 can as opposed to the 540 can that you used in this video
@thomasgross82893 жыл бұрын
I ran a HH trailmaster 27t sport for 3 years and beat it like it owed me money, ran it in mud and water and all i ever did was spray it out with wd40 once a blue moon and it was still going strong when I lost the rig. You make GREAT motors!
@malky5253 жыл бұрын
The dig dawg himself...Dirk Diggler!
@roblowrie19693 жыл бұрын
I've got a 12t 550 Crawlmaster Sport in my TRX4, and I have to say, for the money, £25, it can't be beaten!! It's been in the car for a year, and hasn't missed a beat. Great comparison test. 👍🏻
@scheers1003 жыл бұрын
The crawlmaster sport is the best (price/quality) brushed motor for many crawlers I think.
@NikkiNexo7773 жыл бұрын
I have a Crawlmaster Sport in all of my crawlers with a HW 1080. Zero complaints.
@crawling862 жыл бұрын
21 turn trail master sport (hobby Holmes) with 28 tooth absolute love 👌🙏 Gears mean everything.................
@addamwright7043 жыл бұрын
I only use the The Crawlmaster sports in my trucks, they work great, seem to be almost bulletproof and you can't beat the price!
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
you got that right!
@hellorc76783 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC awesome motors for the price. Think I've installed about 5 of them in the last few weeks!
@JMHZ24013 жыл бұрын
Can't beat the value of the Crawl Master Sport motors.
@thomasvanderpool47352 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you there!
@mikebird82902 жыл бұрын
So TRUE JOHN VHRC
@toddmiddleton14423 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the HW1080 and a Crawlmaster Sport 16t in my Capra. For a budget friendly set up it’s great. Low speed control and a nice little punch. Love the videos as usual.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Right on
@TRKISH3243 жыл бұрын
Ive got the 1080 and Crawlmaster Sport 15T 550 in my 10-3. Crawls for days!
@Frank-st7ku3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! I'm getting my 10t 550 today for my redcat gen8, I'm thinking of gearing up now from 13t to 17t since its so much slower.
@Love2Wander Жыл бұрын
Getting the motor for my Capra I think I will be happy. Nice review
@mrstanton813 жыл бұрын
The crawl master sport is something special imo. Love the vids and discussions! Thanks
@jeffziola3 жыл бұрын
I am definitely mind blown on how much these motors have come 👍
@SPPTA3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that sport. Have them in all my crawlers.
@idontcaresapo82333 жыл бұрын
I was thinking to get the sport but it's confusing with the turns term... I have a 2021 bronco stock and I do more trail than Rock crawling. What turn should I get? 12t or 15t?
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
sapo, I did a test with the TRX 21t vs the CM 12t, the speeds are about identical but the CM 12 was the better choice. If you want more speed go with the 10t or even the 8t. the CM motors have 5 slots so the effective KV output is lower than a 3slot motor.
@idontcaresapo82333 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC thanks buddy I saw the vídeo...I'm ok with the 21t titan speed but the crawling control is not the best. I'm gonna go with the 12t and thank you again for answering my question
@ChiefRickyRC3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing us a good crawler motor ! 😊 🙏
@scottdaubenspeck22913 жыл бұрын
Wow. That was a great video. Didnt think the sport would have a better drag break. But thats impressive. I simply love the way you do your videos and reviews. Keep up the awesome work Joe.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@gonncalomariamonteiro41763 жыл бұрын
And you've just opened the Pandora's box...because next is the big debate between brushed and brushless. In this video its obvious to see the difference between a generic can and the propose built ones. Not only in performance but in build quality as well. No questions here. But regardless of the motor, if the ESC is also generic, common sense dictates that, only by swapping the can, the performance gain is residual...at best. Hence, first swap the ESC and then the motor. So no huge deal. My problem here is when brushless comes to play. As you know, there are those who are fanatics for brushed and those who swear that brushless combos are the next big thing after the invention os sliced bread. Videos on this subject are immense, but most of the time, you end up with more questions than answers. I would love to see what's your opinion and advice on this...and since ECTO is still on the bench... I think you get the point. Thanks a lot for another great video. Keep them coming! Cheers mate!!!
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Well, yeah this is debated, I also went through the brushless is everything and brushed sucks phase, as I get deeper into the hobby I see brushed is still a very competent setup. I like the Crawlmaster Magnums as I have 2, one in Optimus 3 and one in Myolnir and they have tons of power and control. In crawlers, brushless is still usually more efficient and more powerful and they usually require less maintenance. If I did a lot of wet mud runs, I'd be brushless for sure. Now I have brushless and brushed crawlers of all kinds of ranges. For a trail truck it will be brushless and the better I get at driving down low and really crawling, the more I like brushed. Not sure if that helps any but that's some of my thoughts on the subject.
@gonncalomariamonteiro41763 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC thank you.
@showtime813 Жыл бұрын
Great videos. Just ordered a shirt. And a Crawlmaster Sport!!
@jdvtec3 жыл бұрын
I haven't really tried a reedy motor but I have 3 crawl master sports 2 12t and 1 10t and love them. Great performance for the price.
@shadow77963 жыл бұрын
I would like to have seen the Magnum as well but a great comparison for sure. The Reedy Radon line is a bit better than the stock I think. But it would be cool to see where my 11t Magnum falls in at.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I only have two magnums and they are at home in Optimus 3 and Myolnir
@paulpitmon66633 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you try a team Brood motor. Thanks for a great video.
@kravenkrawlhobby54383 жыл бұрын
Holmes Hobbies is my all time always go to motor.
@paulschryer95712 жыл бұрын
- I have the Crawlmaster Sport 12T, and I "really" like it... A LOT !!!! 🤘😎👌 - Best $20, I ever spent !!! 😉
@patc86533 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a comparison with the 5 slot Reedy Radon 2 motors.
@davidpigg39423 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind seeing a side-by-side comparison with the 10 t crawl master in the 8 t
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
hmmm interesting, I'll have to find another 10t LOL but I think I have an 8t in the bin.
@tomlucasrccrawlers91083 жыл бұрын
Fun comparison. Keep it up Buddy.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@paulschryer95713 жыл бұрын
- Hey EXO, Thankyou again, for another "great" video !!!! Yes, "WE" saw it, with our own eyes !!! - I love a straight-up guy !! Tell it how it is, no cover-ups here !!! 😉🇺🇸 - So I started my RC Crawling with a (KIT) AXIAL SCX10 II w/2-speed option. I was on a tight budget to start out my crawling experience.....but in the process of upgrading, I learned probably more than those people, who have the "moo-la" ($$$) to go for the great, highly modified : motor, esc, high quality lipos, and all the bells & whistles - (from the start). 🤔..... I learned that I can run my SCX10 II on a TRAXXAS 1/16th scale (stock) Titan 12-turn brushed motor, paired with the other original piece of equipment, the (stock) TRAXXAS 1/16 scale ESC, which is the
@nobudgetrc6063 Жыл бұрын
I changed out all the stock electronics on my ecto……..hw 1080, crawl master sport 13t, Savox servo and a nicer radio…….big difference
@RC_Ludz_N_Co2 жыл бұрын
First of all, i wanna say thank you for all your videos, learning so much, it's a real pleasure and so helpful. Now here my trouble, i'm looking for THE ideal brushed motor, but i thought the more the T the slowest it is, then 27T/35T would be the way to go for pure crawling. But in you videos (and in the comments), seems everyone's loving this series of 10T, and to be honnest technically i don't really get it. If you could help me with that, thanks in advance.
@ExocagedRC2 жыл бұрын
hey buddy, these ar 5-slot motors, so the are about 1/2 the speed of a 3-slot normal motor, this is why they work so well. Basically you put 3 shots of power in a 3 slot to get one revolution but it take 5 shots of power to get the same revolution so its slower and start up is usually smoother. Hope that helps
@RC_Ludz_N_Co2 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC , got it. Thanks a lot for the super fast reply.
@TangoOne2 жыл бұрын
Brushless is cool and all, but for me nothing beats the feel of a hand wound brushed motor. I don't need my crawler to go more than 8mph, I have a nitro buggy for that. On my pro motor I always pull the end bell off and spray out all the dirt and copper then wipe the commutator with a alcohol swab. My brushes seem to last forever on my Crawlmaster Pro 13t
@paulschryer95713 жыл бұрын
(1:05) I guessed 7.6 !! Man, was I close.....pretty darn close !!!! 😲😁🤘👍
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
😀😀
@Scale-Crawler-Xray-RC3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting , thanks for vidéo 👍👍💯
@RobKingRC2 жыл бұрын
Got my Ecto today💪🏻 and ordered a pack of pinion gears 12t-17t Awesome rig! like you said ,will have to tame the Beast!! Gonna throw the 13t in first.
@thomasvanderpool47352 жыл бұрын
I had terrible luck with the stock electronics in my gatekeeper. Bought the gatekeeper brand new, the servo burned up for seemly no reason the second time I ever used it and fried the reciever somehow in the process. The 5 or 6 time out the motor died. Never had taken it in the water or mud. Gave me a great excuse to upgrade the electronics right away haha
@ExocagedRC2 жыл бұрын
My servo is still alive in Thor. The stock motor and esc had to go. They are not very good
@vinceruland92363 жыл бұрын
Don't look overlook the Tekin motors. I have a 12t in my trx4 and it has gobs of torque. They're not a popular company as they were in the past but they make quality stuff 👍👍
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had the Tekin a before. Really good motors. I had a 45t that was awesome and stayed cool on 4S.
@TheAurabell2 жыл бұрын
I have 3 CP pro 10t,s. love those motors
@just_inolredneck83193 жыл бұрын
I love my 16t hh crawlmaster pro in tha capra. I do need to go n with the program card and turn on the drag brake..
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
if you have a 1080 it should have came with a programmer
@just_inolredneck83193 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC it did I just have been lazy and haven’t changed the setting
@ed0c2 жыл бұрын
i have 10turn 550 sport. i LOVE IT. dood gear down too, go down to like 12-10tooth pinion can pull a car on 3s lmao
@scottishrc78573 жыл бұрын
It would have been good to see how one of the Surpass Hobby 5 slot 550's would have compared to these ones as well.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I've done a 5slot 10t Surpass and it ran really good, the insides were a little less on things like laminate but it did good for me.
@FaithSaraG3 жыл бұрын
I had a 10 turn Surpass, the armature came unwound in 15 minutes.
@scottishrc78573 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC I seem to remember that vaguely but i can't remember what motor it was compared to. I'll need to search and re-watch.
@scottishrc78573 жыл бұрын
@@FaithSaraG That sucks. Maybe just unlucky. They're far from being the best motors for sure, but they used to be good value for me. I've been running a 12t 550 on 4s in my Bronco for quite a while now and no issues with it dying.
@FaithSaraG3 жыл бұрын
@@scottishrc7857 It wasn't a total loss. I took the armature and magnets from a HH 10 turn Crawlmaster Sport that had a worn out bushing and put it in the Surpass can to make a Frankenmotor.
@hellorc76783 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Should I consider th 8t sport for my ecto to keep the speed up a bit?
@mikebird82903 жыл бұрын
VERY INTERESTING VIDEO SIR.
@lowrider1812 жыл бұрын
Looks like I'm going to have to replace me reedy motor!
@ExocagedRC2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@TacticalMatt.3 жыл бұрын
Hey what thumb wheel do you have attached to your flysky? I just bought one and I don’t like the one I purchased:/ yours looks perfect
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I recently did a whole video on one handed driving, I have links to everything in the description as well as links to the thingiverse page to print your own.
@weschambers7612 Жыл бұрын
This is why I love holmes
@motojoe54213 жыл бұрын
Went from a HH trail master 21 turn 550 to a HH crawl master 8 turn 550 the drag brake is night and day stronger crawl master than the trail master when using the crawl master on a heavy Gen 7 it makes a big difference when crawling. Great video by the way, what voltage were you running ? 3s is what I am running.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
yeah 3s always in my crawlers
@romper4444 Жыл бұрын
In my experience, the reedy motors are way better than the titan. But I haven't ran these 5-slot armature reedy crawler motors. I think if your looking to have speed and good crawling, the reedy is the best option, and it's not like it crawled badly right? I though it looked very smooth, no? You should have a look at Reedys 10t 550 rebuildable 5-slot motor. That'd be my go to. I love the radon 2 540 15t for bashing, wish they did a 10t or 12t 3 slot rebuildable 550, or a 12t 540 rebuildable. Fast!
@67smit2 жыл бұрын
I have the same radio and I don't know how to use it right or what it means on it specifically for a crawler can you make a video on how to use it all the ways that you can thanks
@WillB.67592 жыл бұрын
Reedy is pricey over the crawlmaster sport, glad I choose the crawlmaster lol. Sweet!!!!
@ChiefRickyRC3 жыл бұрын
Whats the best Axial rtr scale crawler under 300? I have a JL SCX24 that needs a big brother
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
probably the current model scx10.3
@ChiefRickyRC3 жыл бұрын
Okay its in the shopping cart.. how about under 200?
@latefangs4232 жыл бұрын
how is the 14t reedy faster then the 10t crawlmaster sport, should it higher turn mean slower speed?
@FaithSaraG3 жыл бұрын
Running "pro" style motors on a trail truck is a waste of money. Motors without a fan are not a good fit for trail use. With no fan, the motor gets hot and stays hot. Not a big deal on a competition crawler with a time limit, but a multi hour trail session will cook a fancy "pro" motor.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Good points.
@romper4444 Жыл бұрын
If it's geared correctly you'll never need a fan, I never have
@jcbaja4043 жыл бұрын
Great Video!!! How would the Holmes compare to the Reedy Radon 2 Crawler 550 10T 5-Slot 2270 KV?
@ExocagedRC2 жыл бұрын
Don’t know about that reedy motor.
@MikelangeloPhoto3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the Pro will be smoother than any of them... making crawling experience overall better. Great vid.
@mnmvuk3 жыл бұрын
Nice video as usual! Can I ask where you got that thumb steer adapter for your GT5?
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I printed it from a file on thingiverse
@javyjav19778 ай бұрын
How you get yours to go so straight?!?!?
@timle12863 жыл бұрын
On the CrawlMaster Sport motor, is the front bearing pressed fit into the output shaft?
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
it was on there pretty good, I'd have to say it could be either way on that.
@517rctrailcrawling3 жыл бұрын
Love it! Great video bro! 🔥🔥🔥💯✅
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@ChiefRickyRC3 жыл бұрын
Whats the fastest brushed 540ish motor that you know of? I have a 979b in a serious speed war with a 45.5mph 2s VATOS Spirit Q901.. any help 🙏
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
The really fast brushed motors are almost part of history now, its all brushless for speed, just find one that has a low turn count and it should be good. 9t or something if you can find them.
@ChiefRickyRC3 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC I see sure go like 9t then bump the gear ratio up. Thanks🙏
@chrispalusak77253 жыл бұрын
Joe are you runing your ryft with brake calipers on.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
no
@TOYitCUTE3 жыл бұрын
i hope to see another tire test soon
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I've got a few, The different compounds now makes it difficult.
@johngray87983 жыл бұрын
Any chance you would share the settings you have chosen on the HW1080? Thanks
@troysawyers9781 Жыл бұрын
Not sure is comparing a 550 to a 540 is the best comparison.
@reddeerrebelrc66743 жыл бұрын
Wrong Reedy to be testing fairly. Reedy Radon 16t 5 slot
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Well it’s what was in the truck.
@joeboisselle68563 жыл бұрын
Ok . You seem like a person that would answer my ? . I just got done with scale build . Just got into the hobby 4 years age . Jumped rite in . Don't know much about motors I guess . I put a 55 t in it and it don't have to much power . I would rather have power than speed . What should I have ? Mine is a rs-540 tuned machine modified. Looks like snow panther hobby is the name of it. I have a planitary gear trans and a separate transfer case . I did that to keep from cutting up the body . Remember it's my first build . I'm just now putting some roll bars in it . I will have a video of it very soon . Thanks for your time. P.s. what do you think about the redcat short corse truck ? . I have the pro .
@MangoJim902 жыл бұрын
I definetly wanna try CrawlMaster Sport 550 8T in my 10 scale axle Monster Truck and in Wheely King also. Time to try smth better than chipo aliexpress stuff. Thanks!!!
@zonegamma81973 жыл бұрын
holmes so good motors!
@gabrielguadarrama87013 жыл бұрын
I’m still running the stock axial brushed motor on my version of the superlite 😂 Which one of these motors would you recommend to use with the tgh 2.low?
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I've never had that but possibly a 16t 540 size CM Sport or one of the higher end ones like a torque master.
@gabrielguadarrama87013 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC K I’m getting that. I like 540s. Let me know when you would have time To drive my trx4 go through the nasty.
@old-rcplane-phart3 жыл бұрын
#1 today! 👍😁😁😁🥇
@mishmasta3 жыл бұрын
Swapping to a 10T Crawlmaster Sport in my Gen8 totally changed the rig for the better...even with the stock ESC. Holmes definitely got the formula right with the Sport line. I have been eyeballing the Pro as an upgrade for the sake of upgrading, but this review makes me think I should just hold off for a Revolver and the new Crawlmaster ESC instead.
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
I just recorded the Crawlmaster mini esc and an 1800 revolver in the Ecto. Man I like it!
@mishmasta3 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC I would love to see a comparison back to the Sport and Pro brushed motors.
@dirtrider88 Жыл бұрын
i cant beleive you can buy a really good brushed motor for 1/10 crawler for the same or even less $ than a mediocre brushed motor for a 1/24 crawler
@romper4444 Жыл бұрын
It's just the production volume of the runs of motors they make for that size is so smaller that it costs more to produce them. 1/24 scale crawling is a niche market and it will come and go in popularity pretty quickly.
@ezboyrc5533 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison test. You got a awesome course Is that just for you or do you hope competitions there? And I wish you could send me the motors you took apart I would put them back together I need one bad. I have a small RC channel check it out if you get a chance. I just built a truck for my handicapped brother out of donated parts people have gathered for me But his motor is going out. And thanks for the good content I've learned a lot from your videos over the years
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
yeah those are long gone now. these CM Sports are really cheap at about $22.
@ezboyrc5533 жыл бұрын
@@ExocagedRC ok thanks buddy I'm going to pick up a couple
@TheLilhulk11112 жыл бұрын
Sport all day
@rezzrollinrc3 жыл бұрын
Team brood ✊🏽👊🏽
@jonthomas84873 жыл бұрын
The Team Brood motor is identical to the Surpass Hobby crawler motor
@shawnbyrnesrccrawlersrccra29113 жыл бұрын
Mr reedy won't l ikme this video 😆😆😆
@ExocagedRC3 жыл бұрын
Probably not but it is what it is
@joshrichie98333 жыл бұрын
Will never buy another Holmes product again
@scottishrc78573 жыл бұрын
Why not?
@HolmesHobbies3 жыл бұрын
He's mad he got a non waterproof servo wet and it stopped working and we won't give him a freebie.
@HolmesHobbies3 жыл бұрын
We do have a scrap trade in program now but I'm guessing he wouldn't use it on the principle of the matter.
@joshrichie98333 жыл бұрын
You got it all wrong mr Holmes . I don't need ur freebie I put 777 servos in all my rigs after your servos that are not trail ready
@scottishrc78573 жыл бұрын
@@joshrichie9833 You still haven't answered why you won't use another Holmes product. Seems a bit silly to get a non waterproof servo wet, then blame the seller because you didn't use it correctly.