Craziest supercar engine ever? ElmerRacing "project1000"

[@benburris4735]

Hillclimbs, sprints, land speed racing would all be very interesting applications due to the low displacement. It’s even make semi sense to be turned down some and used for an lmh racing car, really down to what longevity targets are really. I can see the crate motor used in both NA and turbo form for everything that fits four and six cylinder swaps… definitely given something to chew on though

[@andersnyberg4034]

People build superlite slc's, mostle with LS-engines. Would be nice to see it with another crazy engine 😁

[@mikelmarion]

This would be best as a crate engine. It would be great for engine swaps depending on the dimensions

[@andersnyberg4034]

Also watched one of the Praga Bohema videos. They said they wanted a lighter and more powerful engine.. they already use the GTR engine in it 😬 .. put yours in it and it will be more powerful than it ever need to be.

[@bobi9888]

Hillclimb and rallysprints would probably Be a good fit for this kind of engine.

[@jn904]

Smart Roadster could be the one to use this in.

[@gafrers]

Always insane 👍👍👍👍 Hillclimbs comes to mind

[@TurbineResearch]

1L seems a bit small imo but if you're on the job I know it will be an epic project!

[@dantheman1998]

Remember the GMA is a loaded component of the car. The engine is very much a part of the chassis. Can you design the engine to loaded? Also have you thought about emissions? Implementing direct injection?

[@dantheman1998]

Also How do I get hired! LoL I would love to design race engines. I got a ton of ideas!

[@ElmerRacing]

Check out our webpage: elmerracing.com/careers for some ideas on what we're always looking for :)

[@essentials1016]

It would fit perfectly in my 1 series

[@mikehuston6606]

That engine would be perfect for a super light monoplace or a tiny English roadster. This coupled to an electrical engine powered by supercapacitors only could be an unbeatable beast.

[@ElmerRacing]

Power-to-mass ratio isn't as good as our Thor engine though!

[@mikehuston6606]

@@ElmerRacing What do you think the V12 mass would be? The sound of a V12 is so unique. There is no subistute. Reminds me the old F1 cars

[@mikehuston6606]

Having it in the Vandal one would be absolutely nuts !!😃

[@ElmerRacing]

@@mikehuston6606 Unknown at the moment. Craziness and sound is something that is very important for supercars though!

[@mikelmarion]

@@ElmerRacingany specs on the dimensions? Length? Height?

[@cobaltlukather9045]

my personal opinion? drop it into a Radical SR8, tune it and refine it in Time Attack, and try to take the Pikes Peak record. for a customer base? try talking to kit car companies like Factory Five, Ultima, and Superlite to see if you can get it as a drop-in, ready-to-run engine for some of their offerings.

[@OctavChelaru]

Nuts. Love it ❤

[@knickebien1966]

The exhaust header takes a hard turn right after the exhaust port: would that increase resistance? I am no engineer, but I would have a gentle radius circling the turbo.

[@THESLlCK]

has your team ever built a small displacement drag car engine? Back in the 70s to 2000s a lot of drag cars used to rev well past 10k rpm on 4L+ of displacement. A good example is the 12K rpm nova that was big on youtube in the early 2000s

[@ElmerRacing]

Our Hel engines first version is intended primarily for drag use.

[@THESLlCK]

@@ElmerRacing brilliant. I have no doubt that GTR roll racers will dump millions into the project as well.

[@brianbob7514]

Maybe put it in a Radical ?

[@christianoppermann5397]

Would be perfect for a sandrail

[@azertadexx3708]

You need to put it in a ultima RS

[@ElmerRacing]

That's a excellent idea!

[@azertadexx3708]

@@ElmerRacing ty, i hope to see that soon

[@chrishenniker5944]

I can see this in a small hot rod, like a Fiat Topolino, Ford 100E, Crosley, Ford Pop, Austin 7, Austin Farina A40 or a Hillman Imp. If you can sell it for £2000 or less, it could be a cult engine.

[@James-f4u3x]

For a future project im sure you could do a better job than Connaught at building a vr10 engine 2.0l

[@masive252]

make a 1 cylinder engine with a piston size of 150 for a motorcycle

[@vegarnilsen9283]

Have you ever concidered building an NA engine?

[@ElmerRacing]

We have some customers that we have discussed NA engine options with. So far none have become orders. It's much easier to design a good NA engine than a turbo engine though, would be a nice change! We are very good at designing turbo engines though, and those are clearly the best choice in most cases (not all).

[@alexelrod242]

I want it in a miata

[@SattickDas2001]

I'd swap this into a lexus.

[@GTRliffe]

that intake is shocking, that intake needs some shape. 2L and V10 @ 12000rpm is nicer, and can go in street cars

[@ElmerRacing]

This was a concept requested for a street supercar to evaluate size powerband etc. Entirely doable actually! Lets hope they're able to move forward with the car, would be totally unique!

[@KamilHusna-ld1wu]

Thanks for mide, arts nervs

[@brianbob7514]

Will this have torque?

[@ElmerRacing]

The only torque values we will ever release for any of our engines are for fasteners. Where it makes sense. Vehicle performance is determined by power, i.e. how much energy you can produce per time unit. (determines how much kinetic energy you can put into the vehicle, or friction losses etc)

[@satanaz]

"The only torque values we will ever release for any of our engines are for fasteners" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a legend

[@komentierer]

@@ElmerRacing Makes sense. But that's got to be terrible for marketing outside your engineering bubble, though...

[@knickebien1966]

Did not the Norse have an eight legged horse? That would be a good name for a v8 obviously. Did they not sacrifice 11 of every living thing on a special tree? That tree might be a good name for the v12.

[@chrishenniker5944]

Odin’s horse, Slipnir, is what you’re thinking of. You’re right, it’s well suited to the project.

[@satanaz]

holy shit!

[@mariusfridlund55]

low torqe and high power.?

[@ElmerRacing]

Lots of power! :)

[@mariusfridlund55]

@@ElmerRacingsound must be insane🤩

[@ElmerRacing]

Engine sound is one of the most important things on supercars!

[@beachboardfan9544]

Put it in a caterham!!!!! Awd one at that!!!

[@FirstLast-tx3yj]

This will definitely touch 20K rpm like the old honda 250cc inline 4 Jus take the design from s1000rr heads put it on a V12 and destroke😂😂 And i would think having both a turbocharged and supercharged versions is cool because of the sound issue The supercharger amplifies the sound while the turbo silences it The supercar that uses tjis engine must be extremely light because its only 1 liter so basically kitcars and any single seaters This is literally better than current F1 engines

[@ElmerRacing]

We can neither confirm nor deny any rpm target. ;)

[@FirstLast-tx3yj]

@@ElmerRacing the idea of 1 liter V12 is so extreme that even with 70mm bore you can do 21.65mm stroke to hit 1000cc And if you want normal bore of 80mm your stroke would be 16.6mm And you tell me 20000rpm is not possible Dude just go for the highest reving engine in history of 25000 rpm or 20000 just to be "safe" forever

[@FirstLast-tx3yj]

@@ElmerRacing hello, I was wondering Do you use a microtube radiator in the rp968 race car?

[@ElmerRacing]

@@FirstLast-tx3yj We don't have the details of the radiator design on the rp968. You would have to ask the car owner/team.

[@FirstLast-tx3yj]

@@ElmerRacing who are they exactly and how to contact them? I thought the whole car was built by Elmer.

[@GTRliffe]

Make it famous first-Offer that engine in half size-make it more affordable-poorer man come in big numbers that will give the platform its advertising, (for the big engine)

[@ElmerRacing]

500cc v12 engine would be maybe even more crazy :D

[@AlmightySarlac]

But you're not comparing like with like, so you coming on here and saying your engine will be way more extreme simply isn't true. You have to give Cosworth their due here, you build very highly boosted billet race engines but have no experience at all with normally aspirated powertrain development, Cosworth has been doing this for over 60 years and the GMA V12 achieves things that no normally aspirated road engine has before. Also it seems to me that making a 1L V12 rev higher than a 4L V12 wouldn't be that great of an achievement, even if you only factor in the reduction in reciprocating mass, but until ElmerRacing builds a 4L normally aspirated V12 with the same or better power figures, a 12,000+ rpm redline, that's also Euro 6 emissions compliant and has 100,000 Km durability you don't really have a point.

[@ElmerRacing]

Emissions is the question mark for sure! The development hours needed to meet those don't come cheap! Engine wise though, the main things for supercar engines are: 1) fun and engaging to drive 2) crazy specs 3) good power

[@TheGoodPowerU]

project 1000 in an empty shell full carbon Mercedes "CL".

[@sleeoo8758]

A 1 liter v12 sounds fucked

[@komentierer]

It would be smart to aim for a less technically inclined audience than the target demographic of your other products*. I'd display the engine in a way that makes it more comparable to normal sports car engines, which would intuitively highlight just how insane your engine is and it would appeal to FAR more people. Doing that allows you to rely on the emotional appeal of the engine, instead of having to rely on abstract technical figures that require prior technical knowledge and limit the size of your audience SEVERELY. By keeping it mainstream, you can appeal to a far bigger audience and generate publicity more easily. In addition, you then don't have to familiarize the audience with the products you aim to compete with. The vast majority of people aren't familiar with small niche V12 engines made by Cosworth etc. They shouldn't need half an engineering degree or even any prior knowledge about engines to understand why your engine is cool. And if they never even heard about the T50 before, that makes your engine THAT much more special to them. I'm convinced that putting the enigne in a Miata and bringing it to some automotive KZbinrs and car journalists can yield great results. That would be a great way of showcasing the experience of the engine in a way many people can relate to. And it's a well proven receipe to reach a wide audience. You'd get a channel like CarThrottle to make a video about your engine by engine-swapping a car as popular as a Miata, that's certain... That's going to get a couple million clicks any day of the week. In my opinion, the engine really should not be showcased in a supercar or racecar application, even if that's where it's going to be sold. Break out of your niche!!

[@komentierer]

*And as cool as Hillclimb races and Time Attack events are, very few people even know what those are and they are definitely not marketable... you'll only reach a couple hundred bored middle-aged men who never used the share button on a social media site in their entire lives.

[@sodazman]

Adding turbos is already a fail because it ruins the noise, purity and packaging. What makes the GMA special is the extremely low kerb weight, not just the engine, so it doesn't need as much power. I'm sure the engine could rev higher but they most likely toned it back for reliability. The Valkyrie version already makes almost 1,200hp - 160hp electric with no turbos.

[@Shadowboost]

The GMA engine is rated for 150,000 miles and meets Euro 6 standards while being a semi-stressed structural contributor to the chassis. On top of all the other things it can do. Insane

[@komentierer]

Revs per minute in the GMA T50 are limited because of the engine's displacement besides the reliability. They run into issues because they're hitting the hard limits of how fast a piston can move in the cylinder. Lowering displacement allows for more revs with the same piston velocity.

[@okok-gg5fl]

Miura replica,old formula replicas.

[@KamilHusna-ld1wu]

In hate Daihatsu compact