CRAZY ALLISON MACK NXIVM STORY

[@xShinigamiRyukuux]

Even years after Smallville, Lex still has people walking into his home uninvited.

[@zairegg]

I always thought about tht when I was watching like tf dudes a millionaire where tf is his security?

[@bhargavipba]

Okay this comment is gold 😂💀

[@MelissainMalibu]

That’s funny! I loved his character so glad to see this video I was shocked as everyone else about Allison Mack - the thing that gets me.. is she’s worth 2 million according to Google ha! So maybe she is not even so .. “ Take your empire wealth etc and enjoy freedom travel life - wtf is going on needing approval from other people.. that’s the part I just will never understand???” “

[@jenn4593]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@EmilyKresl]

Lmfao

[@paul_rymar]

Irony how actors playing such innocent characters as Chloe turn out to be high level criminals, but actors playing villains as Lex turn out to be super nice.

[@ItApproaches]

Most criminals are vastly nicer then non-criminals.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

People in cults are victims too, she was brainwashed. It doesn't mean she cannot be a nice person, basically anybody could end up in cult if they are reaally unlucky.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

@@TheBooster1414 obviously it depends on the case

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

@@TheBooster1414 beleave it or not you can be both things perpetrator and a victim and also I wasn't saying people should condone her actions but it's pretty black and white childish way to look at the thing by: she joined a cult aka she cannot be a nice person. Did she fuck up, yeah majorly, does it define her, maybe in some peoples minds but not really since somebody was skewing her mind the whole time.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

@@TheBooster1414 I think Hitler is pretty far off example in this case to draw parallers

[@alecsrobespierre]

Who would have imagined that the main photo of "the wall of weird" would be Chloe Sullivan herself.

[@lindasobel8150]

good point! never thought of it that way!

[@fugitive88888]

Oh man what a comment

[@societybye7166]

LMFAOOOO

[@ana_0716]

What happened with Alison?

[@willEMG0905]

Best comment here 👌🏼😂😂🤣

[@Thundershield23]

Michael Rosenbaum seems like a really down to earth, honest good guy. All of these podcasts and video chats, i’ve seen of him; he’s just a genuinely honest and REAL person and he is just great. I love this guy. :) i’m just flabbergasted by his story of Allison Mack and her weird friends coming to his house...nope.

[@rwhite9994]

Careful your falling for Michael's cult. Meetings Tuesdays at 7pm.

[@setsumikokonoe4814]

@@rwhite9994 Was gonna say this is exactly how Alison seemed to a lot of people, she just had an aura of kindness. Strange how this stuff happens.

[@rano2613]

Dude, It's just Lex Luthors PR stunt.

[@cosmicdoggo9296]

Never asume so much about person you newer know what is behind a closed doors

[@Thundershield23]

Nah, that was Keith. Allison was in my opinion, just had a “pretty, friendly, innocent white girl” look to her, but in reality gullible and she was easily manipulated, then turned into a sociopath for standing by and joining Keith in his sexual abuse against women, including how her initials were incorporated with his initials for the BRANDING they subjected women to. From the story, Michael, told about her and her “friends getting too comfortable” in his home it’s clear he isn’t that type of person, or he would’ve joined that nonsense. Plus he clearly doesn’t give a shit about being crass about her (which i totally support; they disrespected him and kind of tried to intimidate and threaten him in his own home) Tom is “nice” about it, but he also probably didn’t deal with what Michael dealt with…soo, i like and respect Michael’s stance on the whole situation

[@elijahablaze]

Allison Mack's creepy comments about wanting to, " decriminalization sex crimes " along with Mack's defense of nambla and ' groomers ' TRULY demonstrated what a freak & weirdo she had become. Those comments from Mack are why the actress who played Tessa on Smallville say she, " was totally weirded out by Mack " and that she, " never wanted to hear from Mack again."

[@justindesue9512]

Damn, where to watch the interview with tess saying tht? I'd like to watch it for myself! Such a shame too cuz Chloe amd tess's scenes together were always top notch. Their interactions together towards the last, idk maybe 2 seasons maybe 3 was great!

[@azahora22]

I saw something from an interview from Erica Durance recently that I think was from past couple years. She said that Allison Mack made it seem like she wanted to be friends with her and did it in front of everyone so it was hard for her to refuse and she told her she wanted nothing to do with that cult (only the way she put it sounded like something Lois would say).

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

I never liked the actress from day one. I got negative vibes from her through the TV.

[@Real_Uce684]

@@jameswatsonatheistgamerruh, as a Superman fan, I use to watch this show religiously with my siblings and friends. Some of my buddies liked her over Lana because she had a cute, small town girl kind of smile. I honestly thought her smile was creepy lol and they also teased me for that. After the news broke about her cult, I threw it back in their faces lol.

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

@@Real_Uce684 It's always good to be right. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

[@curseofyig6727]

Smallville was never the same without Lex

[@martingutierrez5681]

Doomsday was awful. The Lois & Clark stuff was good. Still an awesome show. Smallville fam 4 life.

[@batcavedave2535]

Best lex luthor in my opinion.

[@VENGEFULHEXX]

This is true.

[@batcavedave2535]

@@OliverHenaineOficial you must be 1 of michaels people, if you could give us a list of topics we can talk about that would be great. Knob.

[@TheSlashTraxNetwork]

@@martingutierrez5681 then after a couple years as superman and all the sacrifices made for clark he just decides eh i'm not gonna be superman anymore and lois was like even though i would never let you forsake your destiny for anything before i'm okay with it to, just hang it up and yea those 10 years, meh. (in my head canon he is either just wearing a blue kryptonite watch or the clark we saw in the crossover is just from a similar earth to the show smallville)

[@saberfire2008]

That's a scary story from Michael. That could have easily turned into a Sharon Tate situation. Glad he had another male friend there to back him up.

[@danieladusei1993]

Lol Charles Manson reference

[@MyeshiaCleveland]

Wow, good point..😲

[@lamarravery4094]

That's what I was thinking, Charles Manson's minions.

[@danielszabo505]

@@lamarravery4094 Exactly! Manson and the 'minions' basically invading Dennis Wilson's home - luckily, this lot managed only a few hours.

[@liono1983]

Crazy, I was thinking the exact same thing. Had he been home alone this couldve been a different story possibly.

[@bookwormgirl2]

I believe him. He seems sincere and still rattled by the moment.

[@Harteo3917]

Yes it is terrifying and their behavior in any way it's something you'll never forget. That's one of their tactics they walk all over your boundaries and then just do something like walk in and start doing things like it's totally normal so that you might be soft and allow them to keep visiting to "make food" or whatever it is they're pretending to actually be there for. They get you use to it and then that's when they start to try and suck you in they'll try to draw you into a sense of safety and trust in any way they can they'll use anything and do anything and normalize it. I bet they were going to offer him food and to sit down with them because they saw michael is quite a homey guy so i'm glad he listened to his instincts straight away and stopped it before they could continue. They'll also use intimidation and fear in order to rattle you so that maybe that will make you get too anxious and scared to say no. When they first initially come to you it's also them means testing you to see if they can do this to you, and how naturally innocent and naive you really are and if you've experienced enough in your life to be able to recognize something weird is going on and make enough comparisons. They saw that michael is a naturally innocent and good guy so they thought he might be a perfect candidate and they know to go after people like this because similar to us personality wise it's just they got far too messed up, and they know how painful it is for someone like us for our trust to be gained and then for it to be used to hurt, use, or take advantage of us we're very sensitive to it. Later on though if you do get sucked in it's they'll do it just to try and make you terrified of leaving making all kinds of threats that most cults won't act on it's just empty threats because you leaving is a loss in revenue. Although a small minority of cults do act on it and even send hitmen after people so you have to be really careful who you trust. Honestly i'm done with groups of people i no longer trust whenever anyone forms groups or is already some kind of "friend group" because every time it's either already very culty or it turns that way, all we need is one of two friends and that's it. I know all that after i partially got sucked into a cult on an online game i play i tried to get out of there after they were the ones who discarded me in order to hurt me, but they still do things to try and screw with me and harass and stalk me a lot, it's very confusing because they're also trying to suck me back in again knowing i didn't know how to manage myself in such situations or many other social situations because i've never been taught social skills and struggle to connect with people. I had to learn about narcissistic and cult behaviors i'm still learning and realizing things about everything in my life, the effect is with what you know is you learn to read people better but i also don't know what to feel about that because they always know how to.

[@Michael-et2uj]

Listening to this story, I have this mental picture of Allison Mack striding through the front door of Michael Rosenbaum's house in the same way that Lionel Luthor would make a grand and unexpected entrance into Lex Luthor's office and help himself to a glass of Scotch.

[@ClearHeatVision]

LOL

[@Lily-ul4dj]

omg same

[@camaleon18]

Oh yeah

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

It sounds like Chloe became Clark, barging into Lex’s house unannounced.

[@kdbebop7213]

Yo this killed me lmao

[@keithwoods1103]

Hahaha

[@JessGal]

Hahahaha! Right. LOL.

[@marciphillips8682]

I know right they just let themselves in at lexs place ...no knock hello ...

[@bestintheworld7090]

💀💀💀

[@cookiesncream789]

Michael seems like a really good guy. How disrespectful of them to do that in his house.

[@Cytron1515]

Damn right. I mean were Ally and her friends high on something or in some sorta trance like state?

[@rob3326]

They probably did that because Rainere was starving them. In accounts I have heard of lost hikers, they will literally grab food from strangers hands when found or take their backpack and search thru it and start eating food they find. The fact that the guy got agressive when challanged could be from malnutrition. Or maybe they were just on drugs. I went 10 months without food once in the hospital. I had fluids called TPN they gave me thru an iv. It gives you some nutrition but not enough. I went from 185 to 121. My skin was grey, I could only walk short distances and I could smell food from very long distances with the windows closed. It messes with your mind. i considered eating food a lot even knowing it would kill me. If I could have eaten safely and someone got between me and food I could have gotten violent. It's suprising how not having food or water can bring out primal instincts.

[@cookiesncream789]

@@rob3326 that sounds terrible. I'm so sorry you had to go through that 😔

[@fairclothretrievers2614]

Kristen Kreul introduced Allison to Keith. Then Kristen says she leaves the group in 2013. Which I don't believe

[@CorbCorbin]

@@fairclothretrievers2614 Why do you believe she is protected?

[@desertfox2000]

I think Allison is in her cell singing "somebody save me."

[@hristokozhuharov2585]

No, she is home. Due to covid she is still waiting sentencing

[@cwolf201]

@@hristokozhuharov2585 parents' home but yes

[@guiltybastard7859]

Clare Bronfman got over 6 years for her part in this cult while Keith R. got 120 years. Mack should be very worried!

[@sleeptried1459]

Stop it 😯😂

[@mysticranger6894]

Lol

[@musashi-san____1409]

That is one creepy story. Shame on Alison for disrespecting his home like that.

[@GothamKnight84661]

Well you should see her at cons disrespecting her fans.

[@Wolffen51]

@@GothamKnight84661 yah I’ve heard several times that she’s done that

[@lamarravery4094]

She was far gone by that time, totally brainwashed.

[@stevemyopinion423]

yea but they could have just been HIGH,

[@wolfman8449]

Lol I just think of Norm making a joke about this comment minimizing the sex trafficking and exaggerating the home disrespect

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

We need Michael Rosenbaum and Tom Welling to reprise their roles as Superman and Lex. At least one more time.

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

Would be nice but it wouldn't be the same. Smallville was perfect timing.

[@righteousfroce1254]

I believe Michael said he was going to but his grandfather passed away so he decided not to. Do wish Justin Hardy Oliver queen could have met Stephen Amell Oliver Queen.

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

@neo kakashi I watched that. The Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover. I would like to see him do more.

[@righteousfroce1254]

@neo kakashi I was talking about Michael. Tom did return briefly. Was werid seeing him almost a decade later

[@dramaticsnowman9152]

Well Tom did reprise his role as Clark Kent on supergirl. In one of the alternative universes. It was kind of awesome

[@jarbasvieira294]

Allison disappointed many fans of Smallville. Watching it again I just see that face and tell myself “That is Chloe, not Allison”. By the way, the departure of Michael from the show was a huge mistake from the creation team. The overall quality of the show declined considerably.

[@Flameouslife]

True. Chloe was my favorite character. :( she destroyed it. Shame. I wished there could have been reunions but that would never happen now

[@robertstalnaker5728]

I stopped watching after he left.

[@godslove7144]

It wasn't the show that took him off, his grandmother told him that that role was to serious for him and that he should do something else so he listened to her and went about his way.

[@Mewse1203]

I think it was Michael's decision to leave wasn't it?

[@marcussabom2696]

I think it was Michael wanting to leave the show, it certainly wasn't that the creative team were like, "Hey sorry, we got nothing for you." I can't say I blame him. They were often working long hours in the middle of the cold season in friggin' Vancouver in Canada during filming, and after years and years of that, I think Michael was like, "Fuck this, I've had enough."

[@cdowg187]

How you gonna come into someone else’s house that YOU HAVENT SEEN IN YEARS and start cooking in their kitchen?!

[@happzy]

I wouldn't mind if it was Gordon Ramsey tbh:)

[@925732]

@@happzy Maybe.

[@Spock0987]

@@jesusisgod2953 There comes the brain washing, guess it is everywhere....

[@jesusisgod2953]

@@Spock0987 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 KJV For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. [19] For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. [20] Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; [24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. [25] Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. [26] For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called : [27] But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; [28] And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: [29] That no flesh should glory in his presence. [30] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: [31] That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

[@r0bw00d]

@@jesusisgod2953 George Carlin's Third Commandment: Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

[@christinaify]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire. Cults are scary lol It's actually unnerving how easy it is for a group to get into someone's head.

[@apreviousseagle836]

Oh man, I gotta remember that quote! It's frighteningly true.

[@tangomantactical]

That's why Jesus Christ is not a cult. Imho Hollywood itself is a cult. You just choose which one you join.

[@christinaify]

@@tangomantactical Not touching this one. Not on Christmas...nope lol

[@officialzacadammorrison]

You mean the Democrats? O.o

[@dannyr2976]

To come into someone's house uninvited is one thing, but to then start rifling through somebody's cupboards and start cooking is just rude, but more so kinda weird!

[@cookiesncream789]

I agree, it is. If it was a close friend, family member I wouldn't care. But a random person who invited themselves over? Weird!

[@bingbang3318]

Kinda?

[@dannyr2976]

@@bingbang3318 OK, it's just plain weird, lol!

[@MetalMike38]

Regardless of your history with someone, who the hell just walks into someone’s home and goes through their stuff like that? I can picture the look of shock on Michael’s face when this was going down. If the host says come in, fix yourself something to eat, that’s different, you’ve been given permission to help yourself, you don’t just barge into the kitchen and do that shit.

[@johnv6806]

Tom brady recently did something similar to a complete stranger and no one batted an eye.

[@petrinajc]

Alison did that at my work in 2019 when I saw her at Los Angeles Natural History Museum. She came in with some crazy looking people. They looked off and they just walked in without paying like they owned the place. We didn’t even want to confront them.

[@circleinfo]

2019? In mid of the trials? Are you sure it wasn't sooner? Can't imagine she would still be that bold after Raniere is in prison lol

[@Amin-pn8vj]

@@circleinfo how is she doing now

[@alexquinonez8443]

Shoulda has security drag em out. Entitled pricks

[@eugeniosabater8449]

You should've called the police!!!!!! I know I would have!!!!!!👆

[@petrinajc]

@@eugeniosabater8449 she was out on probation at the time

[@commentorinchief788]

A guy I worked with at an internet start up in 2000 got caught up in the cult. He is the one sitting on the floor in the video when Allison meets Ranierie. He tried recruiting me in 2004 into it and it sounded very weird and incredibly expensive to me. I haven’t seen his name in any of the court documents but he was like in the top five or so. He was such a nice guy and it breaks my heart that he got caught up in this insanity.

[@nealm6764]

He looked so beta in that video, like a little kid sitting at KR's feet and totally worshiping him and the nonsense he spewed.

[@eminentbishop1325]

@Dragon Fox miss me on that nonsense too plz 😂

[@soulbeautifulqigong]

Nice people are most susceptible

[@aesir1ases64]

fake nice people but a degenerated one in reality

[@RobertoJuniorNet]

That was true. I was the Start up.

[@KattMurr]

I'm from Albany, NY and still reside here. I had no idea this cult existed in my hometown! What is even freakier is in the early 90's my mom, who was in her late 60's at the time, saw a therapist who happened to be none other than Nancy Salzman! Nancy actually helped my mom a lot and probably would be shocked if she knew about the cult Nancy was involved with...mom passed in 2011, so had no idea....I myself am still floored by the whole crazy story!!

[@lucasbetzwieser1583]

Upstate NY gang

[@yomama12546]

I'm from Kingston and eveyone knew about this 'weird rich people cult'.

[@coffeeconfirmed3609]

From Rensselaer here [other side of river from Albany] this was fucking shocking when I heard about it..never had a clue garbage like that was brewing so close to home.

[@zaynes5094]

@@yomama12546 What's funny is when Alex Jones told Joe Rogan that he had an inside scoop on an Island in which Jeffrey Epstein and a bunch of filthy rich friends of his go to have a good time and, well, you know F*** a bunch of teens that he'd 'employ'. But NOBODY believed him at the time because he's so aggressive and can sound like he's crazy when he goes on tangents. I was stunned like everyone when it all came true and the allegations of sexual abuse and sexual assault, and full-on r*ape of these teenagers was coming out. I mean so many of these girls, well over 20 now, were young when it happened. Technically, and I don't want to say this but I will, Epstein was a Hebephile because he was mostly going for teenagers from the ages of 13-17. Either way it is not okay, but it is a distinction in the two.

[@marcussabom2696]

I love how he's just so relaxed doing this podcast, he just sits around barefoot. He's like, "Yeah, I roll out of bed, go into my studio, call someone up on Zoom, hit record, and do a show." Dude's a fucking genius.

[@marcussabom2696]

@BP Wow, way to not recognize a joke when it's literally right in front of you. Of course, there's work involved in this and I'm sure he does quite a bit off camera prior to hitting record and whatnot, such as preparing questions, and communicating with each guest about subjects he'd like to bring up, etc.

[@WMJCPA]

@@marcussabom2696 Yes, it's like thinking all Hugh Hefner ever did was lay in his big bed in his bathrobe waiting.for the next bunny to visit. People think actors have an easy life because it seems they only work for an hour or 2 at a time. They have no idea of the amount of preparation it takes.to shoot a given scene. Plus if they have a 6 AM set.call.they may need to be there at 3 or 4 AM depending.on the difficulty of their makeup.process.

[@pepesilvia3827]

@@WMJCPA Pffffft. Very few actors are Daniel Day-Lewis'

[@wnerko7484]

🎸👍

[@TophDaGreat]

I'll never be able to look at smallville the same again Really sucks. Chloe was my favorite character She had such a lovely smile. Who knew a monster was behind it. Crazy.

[@katysteinhauer3489]

I said the same thing. I couldn't believe it. My husband and I were like nooo not Chloe!

[@luisfelipesilvasampaio7922]

@@katysteinhauer3489 chloe is the villain and lex is a great guy!!!! crazy world...

[@holyfuckwhy]

she wan't "a monster" then

[@bevoaustintx]

Yeah, same

[@Chocolat3Thund3r]

She was young and impressionable and got brainwashed cut her a break

[@starlingswallow]

When a person is in a sex cult, yeah, I can picture one feeling invincible because of what they've done, what they've participated in and what they've gotten away with...and then walking into an old friends home like they _own_ it. _Yikes_

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

How How did you do Italics?

[@zaynes5094]

@Kevin Stone Then she got caught and they were arrested. She should've gotten more time in the slammer. There are still women, that were apart of NXIVM, that are still affected by their torment and torture (in the guise of punishments).

[@Babidi111]

@Kevin Stone Didn't she straight up brand girls while they were made into sex slaves?

[@HumanimalChannel]

@@ScribblebytesWorldwide *asterix before and after* will bold the enclosed text; _underscore before and after_ makes italics

[@notchomomma239]

Women in cults who portray women as property is a victim, not a ring leader.

[@NixOfArden]

She's an adult responsible for her own actions. I hope her sentence reflects that.

[@TheHonestTruth]

Whe was supposed to be sentenced in September of last year lmao. She not going to jail

[@anonymouse5910]

Are u sure it's that simple?

[@hobbybaschtler7896]

@Mark I hope so too.

[@bestintheworld7090]

@@hobbybaschtler7896 she got like 6 years.

[@sameyabinanti9342]

You can work with someone but You don't really know them.

[@TheWisestWizards]

Touching someones pots and pans without asking first is a step too far.

[@redscorpion9325]

Exactly

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

no going through their cupboards and drawers without asking is too far.

[@Ton8o]

@@SuCKeRPunCH187 nah, turning on the stove is crossing the line of aggression

[@gonzothegreat1317]

6:26 In the footage she is talking about, you can clearly see that Keith was using NLP techniques on Allison. In short: he asked what was important to her; she said 'art'. Then he asked why. Then he questioned her beliefs. He tried to disconnect her from her art and attach the feelings she previously held about art (joy, bliss, excitement) to himself. Look at the footage and look at how he moves his hands together with what he says. He points away when he talks about her art, and points to himself when he talks about excitement, joy, etc... The words 'excitement' and 'joy' are allison's own words, which he uses. He asks "What if..." questions... in the sense what if you are wrong about everything. Turning her into a quasi-nihilist. This is described in one of the books by Richard Bandler on NLP. It is also used by Ross Jeffries in his Speed Seduction book. (cfr The Game by Neil Strauss) Keith Rainiere wasn't holy, intelligent or even profound. He just copied manipulation techniques he learned from other people and preyed upon the most gullible.

[@wellesradio]

Except one minor hitch. NLP doesn’t work. It’s pseudoscience that has failed time and time again to yield any actual testable results. Sadly, the types of men who fall for it thinking it will make increase their ability to manipulate women are themselves being suckered into a cult with ridiculous claims.

[@gonzothegreat1317]

@@wellesradio Yes, but it absolutely betrays his intentions during that first meeting. He didn't want her to work on herself for self-improvement, or what not... He just wanted to inject himself into the thing that was most important to her. I don't know what other BS he used. But it attracted the most gullible, and it sure seemed to work on them. A lot of religious claims do not work, but people want it to work. It's probably why they stay. Prayer doesn't work, Karma is BS, etc...

[@Lando0824]

Where’s the video of that?

[@gonzothegreat1317]

@@Lando0824 The Vow 1.4. Or google "Allison Mack meets Keith Raniere for the first time". Here's a link:kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5jPc3ajo9B4htU Under the pinned comment I explain what he is doing.

[@johndododoe1411]

NLP is a general psychology tool, that is in no way limited to being used for abusive purposes. There are serious psychologists and psychiatrists using or recommending NLP-based cures for certain problems, and I very much doubt that is in any way sending their patients into whatever warped cults that happen to misuse the tool.

[@Vanexelfan3137]

For someone who spent a good portion of his youth including these characters in his life, this is a bit heartbreaking knowing that she went down the absolute wrong path and hurt so many people along the way. I still wish it wasn’t true although I know it is. 😔

[@christphern]

A couple of years before the whole scandal came out, she was a guest at DragonCon in Atlanta, along with John Glover (Lionel). My friend Josh and I are big fans of John Glover (my favorite Christmas movie is Scrooged), and we were talking for a while about what it was like working with Bill Murray, that sort of thing (though we did talk some Smallville). The whole time, Allison Mack (who was set up next to Glover) was glaring daggers at us, presumably because we didn’t want to meet her. Mind you, I loved Smallville, and I liked the character Chloe, but she was also charging 4 times as much as Glover was for autographs. She came off as incredibly stuck up, and still stands as my worst celebrity experience.

[@teleportingpotatoe]

interesting

[@mediocre_etrnl]

4 times as much as Glover? I'm hoping that you get 4 Glover's autograths then

[@Lullaby385]

Do you pay for autographs in the United States? How strange! In Italy it is free...

[@christphern]

@@Lullaby385​​⁠Depends on the convention and the guest. A lot of conventions will book a celebrity for a lesser appearance fee and allow them to charge guests for autographs. The convention this happened at usually has hundreds of guests, so to avoid spending ridiculous amounts on appearance fees they pretty much all charge for autographs, even if they typically sign for free.

[@Lullaby385]

@@christphern thanks for the explanation 🙂 It must be said that conventions in Italy never host very famous people, so they don't dare ask for money 😅🤣

[@ParadiseVids]

You know, there's a really big difference between someone who can fall into a trap and be brainwashed, and someone who enjoys doing the terrorizing and the damage onto other people. Allison wasn't the victim, she was the perpetrator. Now that doesn't have anything to do with Chloe Sullivan or Smallville, it doesn't ever need to touch the show or the love of the fandom, but not just anyone no matter how low they are or how in need of affection or power or whatever could ENJOY harming other people. You have to have some of that in you to begin with and this cult was about harm, humiliation, blackmail, rape, violence, mutilation, and Allison was second in command. She knew exactly what she was doing. You don't put someone in charge unless they are fully aware of what's happening and you can trust them to take care of things. So let's separate Allison from Chloe once and for all and not put her in the "victim" category. She was not brainwashed. She was doing the brainwashing.

[@SavageBunnyGetMoney]

This kinda reminds me of a violent Organization in Chicago that had a same type of Structure where they had Ranks like a Pyrimid scheme like a Fortune 500 Company I remember one Rank that had something called Minster of Touture I can definitely see Keith giving her a position like that

[@Insipid42]

I think you can be both the victim and the victimizer. Most child abusers were abused as children. Many cult recruiters are cult members. That being said, I do think she deserved the jail sentence she got.

[@lilsk5229]

@Kiera Anderson It might not be the case for most people but it doesn't change the fact that a person who was molested as a child and became a molester themself is both a victim and a perpetrater

[@zaynes5094]

@Kiera Anderson Honestly, I think Kristen Kreuk is also at fault here and deserves to not be walking free like she is right now because she set up the meetings between Keith and Allison. She set up her friend to fail and to become this willing tool. She just never seemed to actually THINK about what she was doing and did it. Mind control and brainwashing is exactly what they did. They probably sleep-deprived her and didn't feed her, maybe would beat her, if she acted up. She was the easiest target, Kristen the toughest, so Kristen is also at fault here.

[@jonathan_8100]

But she was the victim. She was brainwashed into thinking what she was doing was okay, so she then became the victimizer and started getting other ppl to join her. Cults indoctrinate ppl.

[@GCSOD]

Creepy story. It sounds like she/they were in the headspace they learned in the cult: let's see how far we can push boundaries, how much we can get away with.

[@TJ52359]

to say nothing of establishing a Baseline... had Rosenbaum allowed it, and 'the guy' not triggered his 'spidey sense' Mack now has a starting point, from which to sell from...its now "we made Omelets last week" not just "hey we used to work together 5 years ago." - that they sent 'angry guy' along probably means Mack wasn't yet a true believer and needed a chaperone on her "recruitment drive" - - when I was young and dumb I got suckered into Sales scheme, and one of the things they required was to Sell a friend or Family member as part of the Training

[@HeismanHerbo]

@@TJ52359 you may not be young anymore, but you sure seem to love hearing yourself talk

[@TJ52359]

@@HeismanHerbo are you, ok?

[@amunra4256]

Someone else mentioned it in the comments, but the story of Allison barging into Michael's house absolutely reminded me of the moments on Smallville when Clark was under the influence of red kryptonite. Just floating above everyone else like they owned everything; untouchable, not a care in the world

[@nwmstudios]

I remember when I first heard about the charges against Allison Mack and the cult, and I started reading about it and I was shocked with the whole situation. It's such a scary story for you Michael and so sad for Allison that she got pulled into such a bad group.

[@autumnleaves-77]

I love this story from Michael. He's telling a scary story yet its funny and fascinating at the same time. He's a good story teller ❤😊

[@davidhutchinson5233]

That story about them barging into this man's house.....that is surreal. Just shows how f'd up it all was. NVIXM or whatever it was. And thank you Ms. Edmondson....for your bravery. Without you and the others....that asshole would still be up to his evilness.

[@bigmaky8253]

Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game. That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones. And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment. Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.

[@Ceares]

It's the same thing for relationships, jobs, etc...anything that people feel they've invested in. It's called escalation of commitment and it's a fascinating and frighting aspect of human psychology.

[@ToadstedCroaks]

@@Ceares It's also the sunk cost fallacy, in which people will suddenly ( even subconsciously ) realize that they may have wasted money, time, relationships, etc. foolishly; and instead of coming to terms with that and cutting their losses, they double / triple down on it ( even so far as to become emotionally enraged and projected ) in defense of their poor choices. This almost always leads to heavy rationalizing / deflecting, to an almost psychosis, in which all effort is put into avoiding the reality of the problem. It's super taxing on the person, but they just have to seek out / manufacture solstice in that at some point they will be rewarded / vindicated. This is why pyramid / ponzi / religious schemes are so prevalent and successful in taking advantage of susceptible and desperate people ( particularly children, teens and the elderly ). All it takes is someone to promise a better life, to show some affection to someone who has had none, or to catch someone in a fearful moment, to take someone by surprise / off-guard, exploiting them without their knowledge. How many elderly folks get random phone calls about the IRS coming after them, or winning a sweepstakes, or someone they know is trouble, and they need to promptly hand over some personal financial information to get it resolved? They get scammed all the time, and it's extremely embarrassing as they come to the concept that they got swindled; so much so that they will often not mention it to anyone, especially family members who could help them recover that lose. Often they will just hold out on a futile hope that they didn't get conned, they just have to wait for their payout in the mail. It's one thing for a one off occurrence to happen that you regret, it's another to basically upend your whole life in the pursuit of some figurehead/ reward that alienates you from the rest of the world on a daily basis. Just look at today's politics in the US; people still to this day hunker down on their choices / beliefs despite unquestionable evidence that they are harming and lying to themselves. They can't come to terms with that, way too many emotions are firing off at the same time for them to handle dealing with it; it's just way easier for them to stay the course and externalize those emotions into a figurative opposition. It's classic denial. It's the same thing, as you mention, that drives people to stick with brutal relationships, where every rational thought would cause you to run like hell. There's lots of interesting and saddening angles to how people end up at the same problem, of not being able to compel themselves to break away from a path that doesn't require them in any sensible form to keep on it. Something simple as embarrassment or defeatism of a single moment can shape a life for decades. I don't think it can be solved with something philosophically simple like having longer lifespans, less emphasis on short term experiences, removal of poverty / hunger / suffering / etc.. There's something intrinsic in the concept of time and mortality itself that causes us to behave in very counterproductive and illogical means. It's like our base instincts of survival cannot adequately co-exist in parallel to changes in our social and intellectual advancements. I think it's safe to presume / agree with some theories that our technological and social advancements as a species are not aligning with our physical evolutionary development. We are essentially stagnant as a species genetically, and are unable to properly utilize and cope with the evolution of our creations. It's not to far off to say that at some point we will resemble chimps playing with instruments not made of their own hands. I imagine the perplexed thoughts of other alien life wondering how we even got to the point we have, or our / a future civilization on earth not being able to believe that we were the ones capable of making all of these things. But that's going off on a tangent.

[@bigmaky8253]

@Donald Donald I knew it had a name, there's like dozens of logic fallacies. It's been a while since my college critical thinking class. Judging by the ignorance I see in the media, I doubt they even teach critical thinking skills any more.

[@ZachsMind]

Many of us have built in protections that go off in our minds like alarms when there's conditioning going on, but not everyone has that. Some people are easily manipulated. Most of us are easily manipulated actually, but it takes someone who knows how to push another person's buttons. How to get around those protections. We look on the outside and marvel at how a person can be changed by just tweaking how they believe and what they accept as truth. We can't understand it, but most of us don't presume there's predators out there trying to take advantage of our naivete or blind faith or even sometimes skepticism. We don't all prepare ourselves, and are susceptible. Forewarned is forearmed.

[@Hoganply]

Skepticism is helpful most of the time against the unreasonable, but, unfortunately, reasonable isn't the same as 'logical', or 'true', and we're all only human with desires and insecurities.

[@lamarravery4094]

We have many Americans being manipulated right now on a massive scale, the people in the cult of Trump.

[@wikingagresor]

@@lamarravery4094 or the people with the chronic case of TDS...

[@fraufuchs9555]

That's why I'm very careful and never tell too much about me to other people. I keep a lot to myself and even pretend to be a little more naive than I actually am, in order to see how far people go.

[@mmorris404]

This is not what experts on cults say. It is more about cults finding people at their weak moments when they move to a new place, have few friends, experiencing a loss, etc. Everyone has a vulnerable point in their lives.

[@kingshali2358]

Rewatching Smallville feels awkward now.

[@jenpm2024]

I think it's still ok to watch Smallville. It's those times where Allison is on track-- the sane her. She might've lost her way on recent years and pay her dues but in time she can go back.. back to that sanity she once and will always have👍🏻just like how I always can go back to being a high schooler whenever I watched the Series😉

[@ZhangtheGreat]

In a way, I understand you. I think it's important to watch the series through rose-colored glasses and only see that face as Chloe and not Allison.

[@dramaticsnowman9152]

I agree. But in a way I see Chloe instead of Allison. The same can be said for rewatching Charmed. Because of all the Rose McGowan mess

[@rebeccacartier153]

Yeah, same with Kristen kruek.. it’s hard to see them as actors after knowing the road they went down in their real life’s.

[@alisontownson]

@@rebeccacartier153 What happened with Kristin?

[@kimhorton6109]

Alison was a great character on Smallville in a pile of really great kids. It’s amazing how professional all that group came together to make so many episodes/season. Loved the show and I was really suprised and disappointed at the NXVIM news.

[@Solitaryman38]

The irony is her character investigated dangerous beings and irl she was one of them.

[@TANKTREAD]

When Michael talks I think of "The Flash" which he voiced in one of the animated shows. Love the "Fright Night" poster in the room.

[@-Reagan]

Michael Rosenbaum seems like a genuinely great guy, seeing how he is as a person, with the patience and sensitivity to put up with this to an extent, but also to stand his boundaries. It’s very professional and kind of him not to talk dirt about her behavior and being understanding and compassionate.

[@OfficialTruDru]

Michael Rosenbaum thanks for your input this was shocking for real for real.

[@NeptuneNatalie]

I ended up knowing Allison (I didn't know until after the fact) for about 5 months and she DESPERATELY wanted to believe in something bigger than her. Easy to see how she was manipulated, doesn't excuse he actions though.

[@SouthCountyGal]

I have friends who were involved in cults for several years before choosing to break from them. Several friends, different cults from each other. All of them were spiritually aimless when they got involved, and it was like they had discovered a life raft in the middle of the ocean. People who are constantly searching for self-definition or have a need to feel greatly significant are easy targets for cults. Cult or "spiritual leaders" (by which I mean those who make the journey about themselves rather than helping others to attain understanding of a higher power) seem to have or promise those answers. It's easy to give oneself up to the relief that someone out there understands who you are and knows exactly how you fit into the universe; that you have a purpose as part of something huge and amazing. Not only that, but you fit into a family of like-minded people, whereas your family of origin never quite got you. I think our societal myth that one must suffer or undergo trials to gain anything of value contributes to one's surrender to a cult. You might normally refuse to do the things being asked of you, but if they are the price for enlightenment, approval, monumental importance in the universe... then they are trials worth undergoing.

[@Dagenspear]

@@SouthCountyGal This why everyone needs to always look to God and Jesus Christ, and maintain focus on them, and seek they avoid getting pulled into the allure of false idols and false prophets and those with false teachings. It's not the way to find the truth. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father, but through HIm.

[@SouthCountyGal]

@@Dagenspear No, thank you. I agree with many of the teachings ascribed to Jesus, and try to live my life in accordance with them, but Christianity was defined by academics and politicians 2,000 years ago as a method of crowd control. Many Christian churches today skirt the edges of cultism; in particular the Evangelists and Catholics, and are still mainly about controlling people's behavior rather than finding the Way. Jesus is not for everybody; there are other perfectly valid religions (and non-religions) out there that do not focus on the worship of a person or entity. If it brings you to spiritual fulfillment, I'm happy for you. But there is not only one dictated path that everyone must travel.

[@SouthCountyGal]

@Esther I grew up a member of a small Christian sect known as Christadelphians. The whole point was to analyze Scripture, so I concede that my earliest years were more about the words than the way. I'm sure i internalized their beliefs about Jesus. I cycled through most of the Protestant churches in adulthood, have a deep familiarity with Catholicism thanks to my grandmother, and have discussed Christianity with many priests and ministers. Along the way I realized I have a strong dislike of a religion that mostly worships the death and resurrection of a man, harping mostly on death and sacrifice. The majority of Christian churches have that awful crucifix as the focal point of their gathering space. It does not feel good or right to me. It works well for others, which is fine, but I'm more aligned with other religions such as Buddhism and Sufism.

[@ihavetubes]

​@@SouthCountyGal You got that right, Jesus isn't for everyone because some are on their way to hell.

[@skynetprime82]

When I first heard about this I had a hard time believing it myself given how smart Alison mack seemed to be, but it just goes to show that even the most intelligent of individuals can be corrupted without the proper willpower

[@billfarley9015]

I don't know how intelligent Alison is. You wouldn't have needed to be a rocket scientist to notice that it was a cult.

[@skynetprime82]

@@billfarley9015 to be fair sometimes it's one of those tricky things that if one isn't careful or sharp it'll sneak up on you, don't get me wrong I'm in no way defending her choice but I also do kinda understand the how and why it happened if that makes sense

[@jeffh06]

Only downside of Chloe is she’s desperate and anxious for attention in unneeded has a problem doesn’t respect privacy others and dislike friend going thru her things like a hypocrite who’s digging into her private stuff trouble listen, has feelings for clark in unrequited when already has for Lana since Chloe isn’t exactly part of DC only exclusive for this series in prequel multiverse reboot of Clark Kent/Kal-El to high school on his way too become Superman

[@kirstycoulthard]

Crazy stuff 😱 but an awesome episode as always Michael keep up the good work 💙😘😘

[@adamkember]

Allison Mack was one of my early 2000's celebrity crushes. It's a shame her life went down that path.

[@safersephiroth943]

Same.

[@jamesknight5860]

when rewatching Smallville's Intro, like myself (currently Smallville binging) after I post this..... and Allison Smack appears with that BEEEG smile..... I'm like, "nooooo...." you know for the record, I still enjoy Smallville. It's got this perpetual sense of 'romanticized-autumn home-coming.' At the same time offering a decent soundtrack for 90's grunge rock like LifeHouse. Allison Mack, as long as life endures redemption is possible in Christ Jesus, the Rock of Ages.

[@ryanwalters2789]

She hurt a lot of people. The sentencing judge and federal government were too soft on her sentencing. She deserves much more than what she is receiving and currently serving. She destroyed lives and maliciously implemented abuse (while maybe not in a physical sense, definitely in other ways)

[@williamlitsch5506]

I consider branding a person physical abuse.

[@janejane6754]

What was she sentenced?

[@seanmcgonigle1182]

@@janejane6754 3 years

[@shel0016]

​@@seanmcgonigle1182 serious injustice

[@steelheart9582]

The white female is a protected class in the American hierarchy

[@fantinuum1040]

Gene Hackman will always be my favorite film portrayal of Lex Luthor. However, Michael Rosenbaum and Clancy Brown, will always be the gold standard for the television versions of the character. I think I like Rosenbaum's even more because he truly played Luthor like a tragic character.

[@9mmSafetyAlways0ff]

Billy Zane would've been the best Lex Luther that never happened.

[@Kiddo_X]

Kevin Spacey's "WROOOOOOOONG!" in Superman Returns is still funny.

[@laserpmr]

@@9mmSafetyAlways0ff why? because he is bold? that's silly

[@rebeccalitchfield6698]

Loved Gene but this lex was my favorite.

[@binkyfaith]

Ohhhh Gene Hackman is my fav I love that man

[@kecward78]

Very interesting take on being *indoctrinated* into anything. When we are small children, we are indoctrinated into family vales, into friends' circles, into society. As we grow, we gravitate to places that fill gaps in our lives. And it's even easier when you are warmly accepted into that group. People say, *throw the book at her*, but Allison obviously had missing parts to her life that this group helped (evilly) to fill. It changed her. Anyone that has been extricated from a cult knows how long the deprogramming takes. But we see people in the US that join cults or ISIS/al Queda, or other religious organizations, or even political affiliations, becoming excessively obsessed with their values. Allison has to pay for her crime, but she's as much a victim as a perpetrator.

[@chrisnesbitt8454]

Now that Rainiere's been sentenced to his 120 years, the world will sleep a little easier...

[@misoulas]

I just hope Allison gets a decade Her being sorry doesn't mean she shouldn't be as culpable as the others.

[@c5vette739]

@Beastbombshell She needs to be in prison. She can get therapy there. She needs to be an example of what happens to people that commit crime.

[@ChadStormTheAftermath]

He won’t make six months in prison. What a POS he is!

[@somthingbrutal]

@@c5vette739 just a shame the US prison system doesn't do therapy

[@kohlod]

Sadly there's always a person who will emerge to continue what the previous one did. he/she will come out sooner or later

[@dantaylor333]

I got so much respect for your talent and versatility Michael. Its good to see you are doing well. I have to go watch smallville again now haha. Stay safe bro

[@chandlermitani770]

Anyone else have a crush on Allison Mack and then hear about this? I'll be honest, I can't watch Smallville the same way after finding out about this.

[@lordbolton1822]

That awkward moment where your best friend being an alien isn't the biggest secret to come out of the smallville universe😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 #SmallvilleProblems😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JStarStar00]

"We're hungry." "Yeah well that's why God invented restaurants."

[@99jeep1]

Not true, Jesus invented the first taco stand.

[@Ton8o]

@@99jeep1 and it was free😂😂

[@jbarton8508]

@@Ton8o Mmmmmm! Free fish tacos, Savior-style!

[@darnellmajor9016]

Hahahaha

[@franksxgaming-idv6449]

They were out of money due to investing in a weird MLM business scheme is

[@microsoftman5]

Damn that kitchen thing was creepy AF

[@lnc-to4ku]

He was thee best Lex Luther! It's amazing to see what an amazing, very strong moral person he is too! ♡

[@rogersjgregory]

Sounded like they had the munchies, so yeah, they probably were on something. Sad to see Alison go down this path.

[@johnh2118]

Wow, Lex had them out of there in a Flash... ok I'll let myself out.

[@danielraya424]

Underrated comment

[@boomingbob1579]

Ironic

[@priyesamuel136]

I see what you did there

[@boomingbob1579]

@@priyesamuel136 yeah JL the animated series

[@brandondufrene4706]

Those puns are super man 😁

[@lic2kil007]

Most religious forms/groups gain members primary due to ppl being lonely, depressed, low self esteem, sucks you in. Once your in many stay for the friends not so much the theology.

[@aljonstone4708]

So some people take advantage of down on their luck people, welcome to humanity.

[@lamarravery4094]

They get you when you're most vulnerable, so always stay strong or you'll be prey to these parasites.

[@milosstojanovic4623]

Exactly, if she had some i dont know, job, or plan, or something that she is doing with her life, no sex cult or any cult would grab her, so yes, she probably did not know what to do with her life in that period so she THOUGHT cult would give her answers or purpose. She is sweet girl, and this is really sad... :(

[@aljonstone4708]

@Raven Reyes PTZ Is having a belief system with a Deity not a religion?

[@imkluu]

@Raven Reyes PTZ You do realize that your statement is self defeating. Luciferianism is a religious sect.

[@robbyprice8247]

"She busted in like she knew the place" I'm not seeing any contrast between her role in Smallville lol.

[@BetoMLuis]

🇧🇷 *Sad what happened to Allison, I hope she pays for what she did, repents and comes back on top, as CLARK would say, "I believe people can change"!* 🇧🇷A hug to all of you from a Brazil that loves you all.🇧🇷

[@millerman7799]

Watched all the Smallville episodes, while chugging gallons of coffee back in the days :D Michael Rosenbaum, your Lex character is, honestly, the best in any Superman related show! You also seem like a genuine, humble and very thoughtful guy IRL. I really didn't like the Chloe character as is, but what Allison Mack has become, is very sick and disturbing, it's so unreal *o.O*

[@MrHousecup]

She fought supervillains on TV and then decided to become one herself.

[@lambrosk3790]

The odd part about the whole idea of being indoctrinated after three days is that I’ve been in more than a few experiences either through traveling or joining a foreign military and completely turning my life upside down my motto would always be “after three days I can get used to anything.” It always helped me mentally get through tough experiences but I guess that coin has two sides.

[@Flashixi]

I'll still respect her work on Smallville as it sounds like that was a 'different' person.

[@hotgritz4sho]

This story is crazy. Can you imagine an old co-worker waltzing into your house after years of not seeing them and start cooking in your kitchen? Sounds absolutely outrageous.

[@richardfrancis7447]

It was amazing u come back for the last part of smallville and good luck with your channel

[@mattwho81]

The scary thing about cults isn’t what they do to people, it’s how they make those people start doing the same to others.

[@LXS1303]

OMG Allison Mack... such a horrible story! Can imagine her cast members must have been so shocked.

[@MsOscara]

I just finished watching both The Vow and Seduced. I can see how Raniere worked his plan - it works a lot like the "The Story of O", by Pauline Reage. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he watched the film and read the book multiple times.

[@dougmurray3692]

What you're describing is what you find when a background agenda is disrupted. So, they had plans to do something, or involve you in something, and it wasn't going according to plan. The guy who got angry most likely had his part completely suspended, and that pissed him off. The likely reason Allison called a few days later, rather than more immediate was b/c there was no way to salvage your involvement, although the delay says there was a strategy working in the background to figure out how to approach you again, or keep you in their plan, but they realized they had nothing. Good thing you told them to go. VERY good.

[@ddoubleu170]

It’s Michael! 🥰 Subscribed!

[@desnutz901]

Allison Mack is UTTERLY LOST, like a lot of people in this world.

[@SteveCowlishaw]

It's probably safe to say that at least 90% of people in this world are lost, nobody has a clue what they're really doing. So it's a bit of a meaningless comment to make lol.

[@derekbates4316]

Like the MCU fanbase.

[@cahill48]

Fair enough, but most people in this world don't enslave women into forced sex...

[@BenNitert]

@@SteveCowlishaw How many paint chips did you eat as a kid?

[@GaianShield]

She can be saved, look at Leah Remini. She escaped scientology and she's working to help others heal from that damage. People are getting away from Christianity, Islam, and Judaism too. Someday we'll be from all of these war cults and have peace.

[@Lia-oh4kz]

I haven't heard that story and is so scary how she invite herself in Micheal's house and bring friends and act like it was her own house. Actors could play relatable characters that we like but we really don't know them behind the scenes.

[@brittanyismebb]

As a cult survivor (Jehovah’s Witnesses) I hear a lot, “how can a person become brainwashed”, and it’s said so incredulously, as if a person would have to be really dense or stupid to allow that to happen. I was born-in, but I have seen so many be brought in, and I can tell you it’s not always ignorance that hooks them. Like Alison, often times it is an innocence, a sweetness, a longing to belong, an aching heart hungering for answers, and then they succumb to a cult narrative that satisfies each of those desires. That’s why cults are so dangerous, because they prey on a person’s deepest desires for acceptance, truth, community, and hope and turn them into what appears to be pretentious snob-zombies. In reality it’s like a hose filled with belief-like-cement, rather than knowledge-like-water, in order for one to be open-minded and flexible when it comes to critical thinking.

[@michaal105]

After leaving the JWs did you become a Christian?

[@christopherbrian8638]

Hi Brittany, how are you doing today

[@bobdick815]

@@michaal105 Jehovahs witnesses are a denomination of christianity

[@omarlucero8964]

I grew up in the Jehovah's Witness cult, too.

[@optimusrexprime3087]

These videos are constantly intriguing, informative, personal and something I never knew I needed. Keep em coming man! I mean Sir Lord Optimus Lex Prime

[@Nomoredrama2000]

This is incredibly interesting and quite scary. To know someone for so long and then out of the blue just changes completely into a different person and does these horrible things. Chilling😨😢

[@LucyLive91]

I have honestly no idea when all this went down. But I met Allison 3 or 4 yrs ago at a convention. She seemed really sweet. We didn't speak much, I got her autograph and a selfie and that was that. She seemed nice but hearing this clearly she was that person once and changed into who this cult wanted her to be.

[@Rab_Daddy]

Totally shocked by Allison Mack & this. One of my fav characters from Smallville as well as Lex and Lex’s dad.

[@RobertMcMurrer]

If a guy acts like that in my home I would give them a warning and call the cops.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

My dog would kill him the moment he raised his voice

[@worldwidehappiness]

In Smallville, Allison seemed deeply good and very talented, so I was shocked to discover her cult behaviour.

[@dududu5189]

You can't think actors are the same people as their characters on screen. Case in point, *Amber Heard* is not a mermaid. She's a violent, lying, destructive lunatic.

[@surrealistgirlx]

Thanks so much for discussing this serious topic.

[@seansullivan1101]

Once news of this seismic event came to light I was heartbroken. Not only for the victims and their families. But for being a super fan of Smallville. Listen I know that's like on the bottom of the list of things to be upset about. But what Allison did on the show was amazing. The character of Chole Sullivan was an inspiration/role model to girls watching her for 10 seasons of Smallville. I tried so hard to have either of my daughters named Chloe (my last name is Sullivan)just because they to would have a role model with the same name. The name Chloe Sullivan I heard enough on the show that it flowed off the tongue so well. However, my wife won she named our daughters. But I still couldn't wait til I can show them Smallville so show them their "cousin" Chloe Sullivan lol. But now just like anything I see with Kevin Spacey or anyone whom had a horrible secret in their closet come to light, the viewing experience isnt the same. I hope and pray all the people whom were hurt by this cult get the help they need and bounce back to their respected lives. 2021 will be the year of healing!

[@michaeld.williamsiii9026]

So well said I too was a fan of Chloe aka Allison Mack also from honey we shrunk ourselves... I still like the show/series but what she’s done is extremely disturbing and disgusting. I’m glad to be able to separate fact from fiction doesn’t take away from these victims or the other actor and actresses on the show...

[@jujumpe7374]

Actors aren't their characters. Chloé is completely different from Allison Mack.

[@seansullivan1101]

@@jujumpe7374 agreed! But think about like this , I would say majority of viewers see her picture and headlines saying etc.etc. They immediately associate Allison with Chloè Sullivan the actress from Smallville, firstly because that's her biggest body of work and secondly because frankly most people don't know the actors real names. They call them by the character they embodied. Also now in this cancel culture and me too movement. Smallville IP will suffer a little. WB/CW will quickly and quietly sweep this under the rug and bury her name along with it so the legacy of Smallville is upheld. Johnny Depp is going thru something similar in the terms of name tarnishing at the moment. His entire brand/projects are in jeopardy because he is now labeled a "wife beater" per a judge! Plus , Amber Heard is working on WB projects aswell. Two actors , 2 big IP's. Do they save face and recast? Actors make the same mistakes as us everyday folk. But this cult thing Allison has gotten into is unforgiving.

[@jujumpe7374]

@@seansullivan1101 Sorry, but that's why we have a brain. We must able to separate characters and actors. It's called being intelligent.

[@michaeld.williamsiii9026]

@@seansullivan1101 Yes I personally don’t agree with that Johnny Depp situation completely, from what I’ve seen and heard from that incident if anything Amber was putting her “hands” on him. I personally can’t stand the double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to these types of incidents. His whole body of work and legacy/catalog is at while she gets two show/series in the works. She is no “saint” the tapes I heard of how she was treating him were disgusting. Not saying that Johnny is completely innocent but this woman was physically violent towards him it’s recorded and it happens often to men. Which still isn’t talked about enough of how men are and at times victims of domestic violence and abuse if not emotional abuse...😐

[@seanthomxx2694]

Came here to hear about NXIUM cult, but came out thinking, " Michael Rosenbaum really likes 'The Warriors ' movie"

[@AdultThirdCultureKid1971]

There was an episode in Wonder Woman in the late 1970s where Diana investigated a cult that attracted pretty teenage girls.

[@coreyjohnston9195]

There's not many that don't lol

[@bighands69]

That modern cult is the democratic party.

[@jojoalcide377]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow you are wrong on many levels​@@bighands69

[@bratedShow]

Sucks because I been watching smallville again I'm on the start of season 3, sucks to see Allison on a different light now. Makes you wonder what season and what episode did Allison change.

[@fabianjones8157]

They never would’ve made it to the point of grabbing pots out of cabinets if it were at my home. People need to respect the boundaries and if they don’t, remind them immediately and tactfully. If tactful doesn’t work, be who you must to get the point across as unambiguous as possible! Your home should be where you feel the most comfortable and secure.

[@princesslollypop7764]

It’s Lex Luthor

[@StopReadingMyNameOrElse]

It's Wally West close your eyes.

[@Sentient_Zee]

It’s some guy trying to get into university by dressing as a woman.

[@jimmy2k4o]

LuthOr

[@98kid123]

@@StopReadingMyNameOrElse oh god I didn't notice until now

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

@@Sentient_Zee :LOL

[@sleepinggorilla]

I highly recommend "Seductive Poison" by Deborah Layton about Jonestown. It describes in detail how Jim Jones manipulated her and convinced her to believe in this alternate reality. She was in his inner circle and convinced her husband, mother, and brother Larry (one of the men who killed Congressman Leo Ryan) to join her. I wouldn't think a person could be changed so dramatically, but this book changed my mind. Mack needs help, and Rainiere needs to be locked up forever.

[@bryanwoods3373]

This is the kind of thing I think too many people need to try and understand. It's easy to call the people that join these kinds of cults weak-minded or somehow deserving of their fate, but it's not that simple. We've all probably had some time in our lives where we were pushed into something that made sense at the time. Heck, many probably have a friend that it took years for them to realize is just using them. These people are just good at pushing just enough to make you think it was your idea. And as Sarah pointed out, there's the thought that we are all brainwashed/indoctrinated. The irony to me is that the people that act condescending towards the people that join cults is how they don't get their very attitude is probably one of the reasons these people were in a place to be preyed upon. Accusing celebrities of just being so narcissistic for fame and attention, when they are looking for the high of those likes from sharing an opinion others agree with. But these celebrities are probably seeing all the negativity thrown at them for being celebrities and are pursuing these seminars to help them rise above all that noise and be confident in their own careers and lives. Just turned out to be the wrong positive influence.

[@sleepinggorilla]

If you put someone under enough stress or show that you can ease someone's pain, you can convince someone to believe anything. Jones had these young women convinced that they were bad women if they didn't have sex with him, convinced parents to give over their 13-year-old daughters. Layton's mother believed he would cure her cancer. Jones's own sons, as well as survivors of the massacre, have come out and said Larry Layton was brainwashed and not responsible for his actions. His followers really believed that the government saw Jim Jones as a dangerous political threat and that they were all going to be thrown in jail if they were caught. Jones may as well have pulled the trigger himself. Mack and the others should be investigated, but ultimately Rainiere is the bad guy here, I hope there is some leniency so his victims can get their lives back.

[@sean9177]

@@sleepinggorilla those are not easy truths when it was her idea to brand them. From what I've read

[@Hoganply]

When the physical bubble breaks it's easier for anyone to see reality, I'm sure.

[@Geengarner]

👏👏👏👏👏 People who victim blame the people who left really are as bad as the abusers

[@Sammo212]

I definitely disagree on "everyone is brainwashed". There's a difference between being primed, being brainwashed, and having core beliefs. Everyone gets primed, most people have core beliefs, not everyone is brainwashed.

[@camroger3457]

If you partake in this man made society, you are brainwashed. Even if just a little bit. How much are you brainwashed?

[@VoodooV1]

just a matter of perspective. everyone is raised different ways to believe certain things and that's even if you're in a household that respects science and things. It's impossible to go out and independently go out and verify yourself every single thing you've ever been taught. Some things are easy though, If someone told you that if you opened a window on the 2nd floor of a building and walked out you'd walk on air, you know it's BS because you feel the effects of gravity in everything you do. But there are a ton of things you can't just go out and verify yourself, not without a shit load of time, money and work. you trust the person that told it to you...or you don't. The difference is just a matter of whether the things you're told are accurately reflected in reality or not. So one could say you were brainwashed into the law of gravity, but the law of gravity does happen to be true so...

[@antalonampreel861]

@@VoodooV1 well said. I am also of the same opinion. We dont have the time and energy to verify every belief and opinion we hold. Yet many of us act very strongly about our opinions. Humans eh.

[@tod3msn]

Good show. People screw up. Makes horrible mistakes but remain human beings. Good review of the matter.

[@VincentGrimmly]

I worked in Warner Brothers sound department on Smallville, and when the stories about Allison came out I couldn't believe it at first. It was a total shock

[@macygrace2978]

Still galls me Allison hasn’t spent a day in prison yet Who else would be able to create sex cult, coerce sex/traffick in it and be able to be on house arrest??!

[@merovingianlox7268]

A white woman with some money.

[@dr.williamlutherpierce8720]

Epstein.

[@Entertainment-Gaming-Grandad]

@@merovingianlox7268 Bill Cosby. R Kelly.

[@mikesannitti6042]

She didn't create it, just became high ranking in it.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

She will be sentenced soon.

[@timmerred5]

Allison and the nxivm people lived close to where I am, essentially my home town. Very sad that she fell in to this horror.

[@ka0t1k1]

She didn't fall into it. She made a series of conscious decisions to participate in the cult.

[@hulee1968]

@@ka0t1k1 Exactly! She was aware.

[@blazing6string]

Every time Mike talks about this he always says “I’ve never really talked about this”

[@ItzMeWill]

Well he did say "really"...like he doesnt talks about it that much... he didn't say he's "never talked about it"

[@blazing6string]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIbWYaifa8hmgs0

[@ItzMeWill]

@@blazing6string yes, I've seen that.. he barely talked about it and it was actually his first time talking publicly about it. I mean he was still trying to not make her look bad. .. but in this video, he goes into more detail about how much she changed

[@blazing6string]

@@ItzMeWill she was one of my favorite characters on smallville. It’s all so sad and bizarre.

[@ItzMeWill]

@Threehundredpages Pages not really hard to find the kitchen when you go to someone's house..lol

[@wanderingwade8877]

Worth watching: Mind Control Made Easy (or How to Become a Cult Leader) kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKe5eYOMmppla7M

[@ruprecht8520]

Just guessing but it sounds like it was some kind of test to see how subservient Michael was to decide if recruiting was worthwhile or if he'd just reject it all.

[@corriecole4687]

First, just stumbled onto this. Love the studio and totally dig the hat!