CRAZY Bureaucracy in Portugal! How to ESCAPE it!

[@joenandamalie]

Amalie 2020: Pizza with spinach is SO underrated! 😂 Guys, don't forget to sign up for our Lisbon Guide: waitlistr.com/lists/7ab71765/stay-classy-guide-lisbon - You will get an email when it's ready (which is soon)!

[@carlgois8579]

Hey guys, it’s just like an old colleague told me about Portuguese politics eco h seems related, Everyone’s talking,but no one is listening. Lmao!!! Hope you guys are safe and enjoy your videos SO SO MUCH!!!😁😁😁

[@dennislodes7407]

Ok, why so many ads during this ? I counted 5 ads

[@hunnybunny4u259]

Drink milk with spicy condiments if to hot.

[@LennyCash777]

5:26 lol They should use that Piri-Piri on *HOT ONES:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2qnqnuqna9pgqM

[@perasperas]

Magic tool in Portugal, against incompetence: complaints book

[@jogei65]

Actualy did it once and even got an answer three month later, basicly saying "Sorry, we can do nothing",,,

[@RuiBarEdits]

Yeah!!!!! No doubt about it! It solved my problems two times already! Just ask for it. They start by trying to get you out of the idea, but you show you are adamant. After that, two things happen: either the problem is resolved immediately or they give you the book. Write down everything that happened in it. A few days later they will contact you and from there you will see a VIP client. It's like magic!

[@TalktheStreets]

Oh man this is so classic. I now take my whole folder of documents to every bureaucratic meeting, and there is still always something i don't have! Someone on my channel recommended yours (I teach Portuguese) so I came by to check it out, it's great! You capture life here really well. Did I see your vlog on TV too? Beijos

[@tiagojosevital]

you guys are amazing!!!!!!! I am moving to Portugal next year and I am gonna visit all the places you guys have been to!! Thank you so much for your hard work and content. :D

[@kiminopeters3859]

Millenium bank never was a good bank! not even for the portuguese people! Try to open an account in Banco CTT, on the post office!!! Is was very simple and fast for me!

[@a.caeiro7775]

Yes, that´s the bank I use! I do everything online, no costs.

[@filomenamendonsa6671]

Meditation is amazing! I love it. Makes my life so much more peaceful.

[@PEDRO67LX]

Good luck for you guys there.. I am portuguese and I can't stand living there where nothing (public services and private service providers) works and nobody cares...as you already know.... Well, enjoy the food, the nature and the climate... Love your videos

[@m000Theevilcow]

The Bank signatures make perfect sense since your foreigners and you don't have a Portuguese ID so you cant do all that from home (Chave Digital Móvel) not sure if a residency card allows you to do that (I do everything bank-wise from home, last time that I went to the bank was 3 years ago to make an urgent debit card), besides imagine 2 people with a joints account, one decides for whatever reason to flee with all the money without the 2nd person authorization that would be very easy if banks have mechanisms, they exist for a reason, the problem is and if you say it I can concur, is that sometimes isn't bureaucracy it's the employees, sometimes that person attending you for some reason is having a bad day or his just a plain asshole then you might have to face the full force of the bureaucracy, as they shield behind it, just because giving you a hard time will make feel that person empowered and content, and there's a whole lot of people like that everywhere sadly, or they are just plain incompetent. Joen is right, Aldeia do Meco belongs to Sesimbra municipality. The Sapateira (Edible Crab or Brown Crab) paste that you are eating is made with part of the insides with Crab eggs included (that's why you use a female crab), mixed with chicken egg, mayo, salt, pepper, beer, pickles, mustard, chilli and parsley.. I love it with toasted buttery bread and a nice pint of cold beer.. but who doesn´t. That meat on your plate isn't picanha, looks like dark pork secretos... I have that piri-piri at home (Portuguese brand) and its strong... like Aesop said, careful for what you ask for, you just might get it ;DDDDD Looks awesome that place you guys found there near Meco ...btw the new camera might just be me but the colors are slightly richer.

[@joelmendes4506]

Portuguese here living in norway (i assume denmark is similiar), i feel your pain... I live here for 5 years, have bank account in 4 different banks and only have been to the bank... 1 single time! Same with tax deppartment, everything is solved online with the same "key code", is amazing!

[@idalinosilva7059]

Aqui em portugal ígual, alias tem um dos melhores online banking do mundo, eles simplesmente escolheram um dos piores bancos em portugal e tambem pelo que percebi o erro nao foi só do banco

[@zepedro6666]

Portuguese living in Portugal...it's the same thing here. I've been doing everything online with public services and private sector (taxes, family doctor appointment, renewing identification card, etc) since I subscribed a long time ago the famous digital key I don't know in years what's going to Loja do Cidadão. One thing I do remember when I subscribed voluntarily the digital key the lady was surprised because she told "funny nobody what it... every time I ask " would like to subscribe the service people keep saying for what!? No no I don't believe it will make my life easier modernices!" Even today when I tould people a bit younger or same age (I'm 42) of me that I renewed my CC card online late at night sitting in the toilet doing my business they just don't believe until I show them the emails from the CC services which they contacted me first reporting that my CC card was about to expire and telling me the necessary but simple steps to renew it.

[@joelmendes4506]

@@idalinosilva7059 Nem é comparável sequer...

[@idalinosilva7059]

@@joelmendes4506 pois nao, em portugal é muito mais avançado tal como os atms , vivi na alemanha e em relaçao a tecnologia de online banking e atm portugal nao da hipotese

[@joelmendes4506]

@@idalinosilva7059 continue a sonhar... como se eu nao tivesse vivido 30 anos em portugal e nao continuasse a ter conta em portugal para poder comparar... estar a falar sem conhecer a realidade que descrevi vale 0.

[@peterfinnie263]

Just awesome guys I'm so so envious I miss Portugal so much hopefully will be able to visit next year booked for tavira fingers crossed the work you do in promoting Portugal is awesome

[@dytuga]

I am glad you guys find found your calmness....the problem is , Portugal is so slow and complicated to deal with small things and they have so many rules and shit .....nevermind...the good news is there are much worse countries than ♥️♥️Portugal ♥️♥️

[@rodrigomacaes254]

OMG such a beautiful sunset 🌅 👏👏👏

[@Juanitoguitarra]

Hi Guys. You have to try Activo Bank by Millennium. It's a online Bank and you make evereting online.

[@ruineutro1]

Hey Joen and Amelie. That sunset by the pool...flawless!!! Nice vlog!

[@hypnotechno]

wow excuisite episode guys thanks so much for the sublime editing, research and content, the pizza looked a bit undercooked?

[@dave5633]

Either I am very relaxed or it's late (it's 11pm). I need to go to sleep. Can't wait for my next trips in Portugal. So much to see. Thanks to you and your discoveries, there are now so many places I want to see as well. Thanks again for the great video.

[@dave5633]

Boom! A long awaited new video ! Yeah. Can't wait to see it later today. Hope you are doing well guys.

[@MariaJose-qf5gv]

We need Meditation to help us with the Portuguese burocracy!

[@marceloantunes1193]

Finnaly you arrived to Portugal. You cannot say taht you are portuguese if never have a meet with burocracy. We arethe proudly inventors of the paper to request a paper.

[@mjclaywell]

The new camera looks fantastic.

[@joenandamalie]

Thanks so much, Mark! So happy to hear that some of you can notice a difference:-)

[@mjclaywell]

Canon color space is really sweet.

[@mishinha]

"In balance with the wine", now that's a good meme!😂😂👍🏼

[@arturrosa3166]

You always have the weirdest stories about bad situations in Portugal. Now it's the banking. Either you're really unlucky or you do something wrong because I do all my banking stuff online or on an app. I do lots of transactions between accounts, transfers, investment, whatever and It's super-easy. A few clicks. I have two bank accounts, in two different banks, and the app even allows me to join the two accounts in one app. I don't even remember the last time I entered a bank to sign whatever, probably more than 5 years.

[@heldercristovao859]

The same here. I'm surprised with the amount of annoiances Joen and Amalie face and I'm sorry for that but sometimes I wonder if that's only due to bureaucracy or in some significant extent to lack of planning and previous preparation/ studying... Anyway it's good that to compensate this bad luck they're quite successful in finding such special peaceful places that are literally little paradises on the earth that make this city and its outskirts so blessed. Like them, everytime I can I go to that area and when I'm there I always feel so privileged for living in this city. I really hope they keep on exploring this magnificent place and presenting us with such beautiful content!

[@joenandamalie]

I wouldn't consider ourselves idiots :D! Of course it would be easier if we spoke fluent Portuguese, but generally we can communicate in English and we haven't really made in errors. At least not in regard to this situation. The problem is that it is a business account and not a private account. Just setting up your online banking requires you to download firefox and go through a lengthy installation of security certificates and whatnot. It's mindbogglingly complicated and why they decided to make it like that, I don't know!

[@lxportugal9343]

@@joenandamalie " *it is a business account and not a private account* " UUUUi Ui .... forget that, make a private one

[@joenandamalie]

Ehhh, we have a business here 🤣

[@arturrosa3166]

@@joenandamalie Firefox? Security certificates? I never did any of that. I use Chrome (or mostly an app in iPhone). I didn't need any certificates, just a confirmation that you are who you say you are which, of course, is a must for security reasons, to avoid identity theft. This normally requires a two-factor authentication (the exact process depends on the bank - in my case it was a code sent by SMS or to an email and the pin linked to your card). After you're authenticated, a finger print or a face read in your iphone is sufficient to authenticate you and do all transactions. It's really very simple. For companies it's slightly different but it's also very simple. Again, you don't need to visit any bank, everything is done online or, at worst, with a call to the call center. I really think you're doing something wrong.

[@anadossantos1429]

Beautiful 💚 video 🙂 looks so relaxing 😊 and the puppy is so cute

[@luisglockgomes9445]

The next time you get distressed with a very strong spicy sauce ... try eating a slice of bread with a lot of butter ... it helps a lot ..you can be sure

[@g_c_5251]

I will try that👍

[@Luckyamor]

The problem is the coronavirus pandemic 😔 I've also had a lot of problems with state institutions. I call and no one answers!

[@joaofredericosoaresdecastr3351]

Nothing is perfect in this world and the bureaucracy in Portugal neither is 😵

[@leito1257]

That happened because you have an join account. Having separate accounts it helps because you can really on each other.

[@joenandamalie]

It’s a business account so it’s different terms :)

[@barrozo24]

oh yeahhhh bureaucracy here is a problem !! for 1 official document you will need 2 or 3 more lol but apart from that here it's a small heaven in europe

[@AbandonedHousePortugal-2023]

We had the same experience with the bank... we are in the middle of renovation our ruin

[@SlaYer10100]

Try Revolut or N26. You're welcome ;)

[@franciscochaveiro5117]

I work in a bank here in Portugal and its a fact that you must fill a bunch of paperwork to do everything, but like all banks in the world we have access to all of your information except your personal codes, that you can exchange in the branch as well, so, if they didn’t help you guys it was because they didn’t care... unfortunately it’s the reality... just ask for the red book, and they well help you ASAP .. good luck...

[@zebedeepinto261]

Keep up the great work guys.

[@nathanmurray3329]

Love seeing you guys!

[@benjaminkaarst]

Why is the dog jumping sound effects at 15:33 so hilarious?

[@miguelmarques2176]

Hi guys! I don't understand the mess of the bank! Nowadays everyone's in Portugal use the homebanking of every banks. Including Millenium. Through it you guys can do it easely at home. Why the need to go to the branch??

[@Module79L]

Escaping bureaucracy in Portugal? Don't you think that if there was a way of doing it we, the portuguese, would've found it by now? However, I think that in your case the language barrier is a worst enemy than the bureaucracy itself.

[@mishinha]

And it's always worse for foreigners. It's just obvious...

[@pedromalbernaz]

I ❤️ you guy’s videos!

[@joenandamalie]

Thanks, Pedro!!

[@gamerrc2021]

Sétubal my hometown yay

[@offclan2141]

Happy thoughts lol good one

[@pepazadas]

14:16 totally agree amelia!! You are becoming portuguese!! We do use and enjoy fruit (like banana and pineapple) in the pizzas. We are not italian, common, so we can have it. Ehehhe

[@paulomendes4892]

Italians common? Portuguese talking out of her arse are you?

[@spookohoax180]

Just spent 2 weeks trying to find out how to get a NIF in Lisbon during the pandemic

[@Jesuscger]

eportugal.gov.pt/en/servicos/pedir-o-numero-de-identificacao-fiscal-para-pessoa-singular

[@mallaiku]

Not all bank are the same :) and not all agencies... But that bank was my last bank and i hate it... i changed to santander and its all online now, i dont need to go to the bank to resolve things

[@manuellopez417]

STAY CLASSY FOREVER 👍👍💥💥💥

[@strcs_]

Accessibility =/ Security

[@Ari-ld9hi]

Use TRANSFERWISE - trust me I used it to send money to Europe from the USA - it's cheap and you get really good rates on exchange.

[@djtleitho7689]

I am preparing myself for some in competence n frustrations with bureaucracy. Is it true it is very difficult to open a bank account ? I cannot wait . You really show us such beautiful areas. I wished this stupid virus would disappear 😡 I love the pool.

[@joeltiagoalves]

13:20 The best way to cut pizza is with scissors 😁😁😁 Pizza with broccoli is also very good

[@raibek-the-coder]

Thank you for your advice! I've never thought of this way!

[@carlgois8579]

Joen, love your shades. Try Randolph Engineering or RE. Great quality shades. 👍👍

[@Buxini1981]

Can't believe you waited 1h in Millennium. Maybe you'll have to go to another branch 😆. 15 digit code is used for business acounts and it can easily be restored. Another tip: skip lunch times. If you need any help you can talk to me. No more words needed 😅

[@plstrom]

It never ends !! its the nightmare of this country , the bureaucratic mentality.. drives me insane , to the point of letting things go out of validity and all the deadlines go pass coz shit its made for it to happen !! a nightmare

[@MrJocaesteves]

How I laughed so hard😂😂😂😂😂 AI AI, It's very strong, it's not a chilli, it looks like a Chemist🌶️🌶️🌶️🌶️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@brdsb1]

Nice camera footage 👍 loosing time with banks in Portugal? No way! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@cjlbranco]

That piri-piri is hell!!! :P

[@indeterminadamente]

BUROCRACIE IS THE WORST THING WE HAVE--- SO FAR :) ... GREAT PLACE YOU HAVE FOUND

[@carlaccf6876]

Hello guys... you're right, bureaucracy in Portugal is terrible, I can't stand it too... Nice place... by the way, I love pineapple on pizza, it's delicious >_< I think I'm going to jail now ...

[@jaimeconceicao]

the best way to stop the piri piri effect is to get some fat in, like butter in a litle portion of bread. Always works fine. Remember it next time.

[@joenandamalie]

Does sand help? Because I didn't have anything available at that moment, haha!

[@jaimeconceicao]

@@joenandamalie maybe it could but i would'nt take it neither advise it... Just remember, before diving on piri piri or something alike, be sure to have some butter or alike nearby. That´s why many curry dishes take coconut milk, to soften the chilli effect.

[@ArtHealsTheSoul]

Don’t they do online banking?

[@josemanueldamasio89]

Try spanish banks. Santander or Bankinter... They work

[@ruisantos9332]

Posta á Mirandesa is the best meat in Portugal. Of course.

[@sergiocharrua4126]

Dudes! Use the homebanking or the Multibanco. You can do everything online or using the Multibanco. It has been more than 5 years that I don't visit my bank. And I don't even know who is my account manager. Probably all the burocracie you're dealing with is related to being foreigners. But then again, you reside in Lisbon, so there should not be any issue.... Try another bank ;) I use BPI which has been my bank for about 20 years and all is fine so far. Let me know if you need help. I will be more than happy to help you out . Cheers!

[@cleantheocean]

Congrats for the into FF move, I guess... The White Balance was a bit warm for my taste. If you really want improve, manual primes is the way. Now that you have IBIS, you can attach cheap vintage glass to your r6, like hellios 44 and so on. One of Stanley Kubrick's favourite lens was a canon f/1.2, you can search on eBay for less than 2 hundred (hellios are even cheaper). But watch out that some vintage lens are radioactive, like many Takumars (Pentax), just don't get them too much close to the eyes... A bit research is required.

[@pixelised]

What brand was that water? The bottle is 👌🏼!

[@edwinahicks5010]

Have you tried a Revolut account?

[@MrMPS-gz1zm]

Choose another bank

[@miladahmedi7810]

Hej venner. Jeg bor også i Lissabon. Fedt at i laver så mange videoer. Fortsæt det gode arbejde. Med venlig hilsen Milad Ahmedi.

[@joenandamalie]

Tak for dine søde kommentar Milad :)

[@alexandersumbati3693]

Just Loooooooove your videos.

[@DiogoMarques85]

what's the song at 07:00 ?

[@miguelmatos3725]

Bem vindos a Portugal 😆

[@nathanmurray3329]

Telepizza bbq chicken pizza was my favorite

[@andreoliveira8478]

Bureaucracy sucks!!!!

[@andreoliveira8478]

In Portugal it's to much!!!!

[@romaooamor]

6 ads in a 15 minute video omg

[@Kevin-Cardosoo]

What’s up ma boysss

[@vsseixal]

I can not understand your complaints about banking. I do everything with the app of my millennium bank account. Even a new online code I can just draw on any multibanco ATM.

[@joenandamalie]

It's a company account. Not a private one. That is the difference!

[@John-sf5pq]

Hello dear Amalie and Joen. Would you mind telling me how much you paid for your puppy? (roughly). It's beautiful! I live in Portugal and I'm interested as well, but I'm not certain its within my price range :) Thank you and keep up the great vlogs throughout Portugal!

[@lxportugal9343]

prince range???? Canis are full of dogs........oh wait you want puppys, that's a bit harder, but if you don't want a especial breed occasional there are people that give puppys away when their bitch's gave birth

[@John-sf5pq]

@@lxportugal9343 Yes, I need tiny hypoallergenic dog because of my allergies (i.e., dogs that don't shed, don't drool, etc), and because I live in an apartment! That's why I need a specific dog like a toy poodle, and can't get one in a kennel (canil).

[@leito1257]

For piripiri, Drink milk, it helps.😆

[@JenShea]

You will lose half your Canadian viewers with that pineapple pizza 🍕comment! 😉 Hawaiian Pizza’s are quite Canadian 🇨🇦, Ha há. What a beautiful place and you don’t need to fly to get there (although Nuno’s magic retreat IS on my bucket list!) There are quite a few different banks in Portugal. I think you are with Millennium... and it’s got pretty high ratings. Yikes!

[@TugainVietnam]

Hahaha welcome to Portugal!

[@creativeleo]

Old people are keeping this country down, while Portugal have sooooooo much potential (I am sorry to say this, Old people here are amazing, but I guess they're not fit for the Jobs which needs speed), I dont know how Portugal can help improve this...

[@wilsonm8368]

Joen, water doesn't help with the spicy/hot sauce, get some bread 🤣

[@Jesuscger]

natural yogurt is much better than bread.

[@wilsonm8368]

@@Jesuscger but probably a bit harder to find at a restaurant 😉

[@olof8100]

Change to Santander

[@aliochafonseca5973]

Beautyful and funny video 🤣great images 🏖love it .❤well done Maaaboyz. 👏obrigados e até lego 🍺🇵🇹.

[@theguy7429]

i prefer your old camera.

[@sohelmondal3063]

Portugal 🇵🇹

[@raibek-the-coder]

I envy Lara so bad right now😂

[@nathanmurray3329]

Pineapple on pizza is so good!

[@BoStark]

Me checking the price on R6. Damn.

[@joenandamalie]

Did you notice any improvement from our previous vlog?

[@assuncaomeireles198]

Meus queridos amigos é verdade a buracracia em Portugal é terrivel eu tambem detesto é de dar em doidos toda a gente se queixa assim nao vamos a lado nenhum. Adorei esse vidio estava o must

[@jennypounds4020]

Can you goto Centtrip.com and create an account. They have a multi currency account and costs nothing to transfer.

[@PCBarrinha]

PIRI-PIRI SACANA Ai Ai is verei strong

[@PCBarrinha]

www.paladin.pt/en/product/piri-piri-ouch-ouch-75ml

[@joaocorreia1342]

Ahahahahahhaah. Pá esse nunca se pede ahahahahhaahhah

[@Luckyamor]

I love it

[@DoubleDe]

Use revolut

[@bloodsouls725]

2:47 - the face of agony

[@sandrasilvasilva6942]

Beijinhos e abraços para vocês

[@johnpinheiro6211]

i miss your videos in the football games.very funny!! With God s blessing , we will soon gonna watch it again!! Stay safe!!!! DRAGON HEART||||| (p.s.- sorry amelie,))

[@allora12]

U guys should stop saying what's up my boys. It sound so sleezy and cheap. Better start of with something nicer like Good Morning or Hello Everyone etc... Just a humble advice.......

[@dennisbrooks6988]

That is by far the hottest piri piri. I speak from experience. The one level just below it is good though.

[@tugadmundo]

I have to tell you ,banks in Portugal are not so bad .They are bad,do not get me wrong ,but in the States ,at least in California ,or ,at least in Los Angeles ,they are much,much, ...did I say much ... worse .

[@lxportugal9343]

I prefer pizza with pineapple................well, to be honest I rarely eat pizza

[@AntonioRodriguez-ll9wt]

Black Paladin Johan??? 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣🥰🥰

[@helderalves2052]

"welcome to the jungle"

[@joeoliveira8633]

Could you please not reveal Praia do Meco?