Why Are Swimbaits So Expensive And Always Sold Out?

[@TheHomelessFisherman]

Wait till the worm prices start rising buddy.

[@andyd834]

Wait, no one's price gouging the sakumata shad yet?

[@BostonDonDaDaShark88]

Your who I thought of with your baits yall use and send links for that aren't even available and are 200 dollars for a small glide or swimbait smh and when I'm like lemonade w e looks good ima spend the money it's out of stock or not even available 😅😂😊

[@Glock-1]

They already are man I seen a pack of Zoom on eBay for $250! 😂

[@brentbloomfishing]

@@Glock-1no one cares about zoom neither do the fish

[@trentfindley7212]

I started slinging bigz since 2012. Caught a 7 in 5 cast and haven't looked back

[@ScalesnTales_Media]

Thank you for explaining why swimbaits are so expensive and why they’re always sold out. Great video Mr.TheKing

[@TheHomelessFisherman]

@@ScalesnTales_Media hey Adrian big fan, can you add more meowing and purring in your podcasts? Not enough kitty cat sounds for my liking.

[@ScalesnTales_Media]

@ how about a Random’s hound dog check in every episode? It would kind of be like getting Rick Rolled.

[@hiteikan0912]

​@@ScalesnTales_Media #productionvalue ❤😂

[@SamuelHenderson-q6d]

Love you Geoff and full support of creators BUT let’s get real. There’s a small group of guys that buy out all the baits and resell them for more money. You work at the hookup that’s literally the only complaint that yall get there. So don’t act like you don’t know. KILL RESELLING

[@waxknucklebearingjuice5592]

And how do you propose we do that ? Limit sales to 5 per order ? You realize every niche hobby has this problem right ? And honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the people snatching them all up aren't in cahoots with the people that make them....

[@SMC4117]

For all of the people who can’t afford or are just starting to throw big baits, Savage Gear has some excellent baits for unreal prices. That said, not all of their baits are fantastic. I typically stick to their plastic line through baits and their plastic RTF ( ready to fish ) baits. Always in stock at Tackle Warehouse. Stock hooks are strong and sticky sharp!

[@ericdesloge6743]

I love their 5-6” gills. The “Roach” is another hidden gem

[@MorbidOrangeCat]

SnookSnacks has killer deals on them also

[@garymueller6488]

I appreciate your understanding of the process and I think your opinion is spot on. Thanks Geoffrey.

[@Daiwa_Is_King]

This video was spot on thank you for bringing this situation to light. I still don’t get why people hate on the bait makers or the guys that distribute the baits. You have to be quick nowadays if you want a much anticipated drop, that’s just the way it is 🤷🏻‍♂️ I blame grif for this entire situation 😂 🤣😂🤣 !!!

[@JonJonsOutdoors]

Nailed it! I’m doing a show next weekend and it took me a month to make 35 ducklings! We typically have to tune every bait by hand. Most makers love making baits but it really is a job of passion!

[@Richard-mj5dp]

Hopefully, The 6” Bull Shad abs is a sign of things to come.

[@my71chevro1et]

And the KGB / SPRO baits. And what Ceaser at Toxic Baits is doing.

[@fugisgonefishin]

Props to Kyle at throwback. Has a whole team to have baits constantly available and at a great price. IMO one of the best makers and business dudes to do it🔥👏

[@mdegeorge1]

People are upset with the ones buying them up and overcharging for them afterwards.

[@LETTUCEbeeCEREAL]

Flippers have ruined everything from shoes, cards, baits, event tickets, etc. Too many people out there are willing to pay the infidels.

[@MrJaxnbeFishing]

I ask that question EVERYDAY bro🤣 Even when I’m ready to spend a lot, Everything is always sold out🤦🏾‍♂️

[@coleus]

Some of us are still traumatized by Fred from SoCal who lied to us for a full year that he was making the swimbait, then blocked and ghosted us with our money.

[@BxErock]

Part of the problem is bait flippers. I love swimbait fishing but not loving the resellers. I have been lucky enough to get a couple of baits from makers I like. Great video Geoffrey.

[@MtnWBassin]

Though I agree that’s what drives the market up .There will always be that in a free open market whether it’s sneakers , apparel or anything with rarity and demand

[@BxErock]

@MtnWBassin yeah that's true, it just takes baits out of people's hands that would fish them or know that the bait maker doesn't get anything more when someone does flip a bait over value. I don't like flippers and would never resell a bait for more then I paid for it.

[@PartyOnGardy]

I love the rarity. Makes me take care of them and put the time in to learn each one. Great vid Geoff.

[@ZZ430T56]

Most bait makers (Glides, swims, cranks, soft plastic, etc) start out as a hobby. It gets addictive fast. Then you give and sell some to friends. You show your work online and people say, "that's great how much". They use bait and show pics of the monsters they are catching on it. More people want to buy your stuff. You work 9-5 at your "real" job, and come home to make baits till midnight. You start falling behind on orders. Pretty tough decision whether to quit your 100K day job and make baits full time. And of course, then it's a job then and not fun any more.

[@donkukawski8609]

Exactly..getting them to swim right is so time consuming

[@FlyFishingChronicles]

I was listing to a podcast the other day where say disused swimbaits. One dude was saying few famous bait makers holding the supply short means say have enough in stock but they saying the baits are sold out just to keep the hype going. I believe him.

[@graysonwales2787]

Thanks Geoff - I’m new to throwing big glides here in Texas, but love all the footage and info you provide. I have purchased a small variety of price ranges to try from the $40 Trick shad to the most expensive being the Greenleaf Imposter at $250. I get the cost for small batch custom baits and do want to support small American businesses. But definitely see the “out of stock” sign a lot. Thinking o might want to attend one of the gatherings or shows I’ve seen you go to.

[@Yak_bros_fishing]

Def would recommend the swim bait universe gathering, such an amazing event I’ve been 2 times now

[@ogjmcnutt9756]

Good video and makes a lot of sense why I can't never get my hands on certain ones not mad just how the game is 😂. People needed this video thanks OG swimbait guy

[@bottomlineoutdoors6187]

I understand the money but the drop thing is a major issue. If a person works a 9 to 5, they don't have time to sit on a computer a hope to get a swimbait when it drops. Then you have to deal with the person that resales them for 3 times the original price.

[@AZ_kayaker]

A lot of these bait makers work a 9-5 and do this in their spare time

[@blaked6765]

I will blame flippers for most of the issues. I’ve seen people that don’t even fish buy baits on drops just to flip them, it’s crazy.

[@AZ_kayaker]

As someone who has made my own resin glides, some of these lesser known makers are ripping themselves off. Not only are these resin baits each hand poured, sanded, and painted, they are each swim tested to get the weight and tune right. The time spent tuning 25 lures is time consuming, couldn’t imagine 100s.

[@RobMyers-ef5ou]

Those people who complain probably don’t have any idea what goes into making them time wise let alone what the materials cost but I’d support the small shop over the big ones any day

[@marcusgreen6331]

Don't worry everyone will just think Griff bought them all lol

[@port.city.fishing7639]

Patience is a virtue many do not possess. I feel blessed to have this superpower. If it's in stock ill snag one. I won't stop breathing if they aren't.

[@ILLUMINATHAN79]

I would love to see the data on how many swimbaits are just hanging on walls for collectors vs. Actually fishing the swimbaits. My guess would be close 50/50.

[@hashbrown3807]

And resellers

[@ILLUMINATHAN79]

@ yes for sure

[@andybales7318]

Once u catch a bass on a BIG BAIT, u would know the addiction....i have glide baits from $20-$200......don't need a $200 bait to catch fish, but i enjoy being a lure junkie...For those that just want to go out, toss a big bait & not break the bank...3 baits...1) River2Sea S Waver 168 2) Bass Pro Shops The Swerve 3) G Ratt 8"....want a soft swimbait? 6" or 8" Megabass Magdraft...8" Savage Gear Trout, or 6-8" Huddleston... nothing outrageously expensive & will catch bass..100%

[@Glock-1]

I really have noticed that tech in abs glides has come so far that now some of the abs glides work almost as well as resin, I have several resin glides but the new glides like the abs trick Shad and the Baitsanity Chimera shad even the Spro version of the Chad shad run really good but the trick Shad and the chimera shad run awesome! And the Gan Craft stuff has always been great

[@nickkerr5714]

Klash 9 and tk, and deps slide swimmer. They still aren't cheap though

[@daveschreck6784]

Its crazy trying to get custom baits so I started making my own! I think some people honestly hoard them

[@fantasticfail1796]

Yup they keep them as collectors items or heirlooms instead of fishing them

[@miguelvelez8802]

Awesome video. 🎯🎯

[@waynegrub1374]

Great explanation, Mr king is telling the truth, I’ve watched how fast WCZ sell Inside 5 minutes!! Sold out!!

[@jimmyhuynh7400]

Amen to that. Well said!

[@bobfishnut]

Great job! I don't understand people. Plenty of baits are for resale yet they complain because a maker isn't producing fast enough. Not necessary.

[@Gallus7631]

I’ve done my own comparisons, back and forth with high end swimbaits & the Temu clones (that actually come in more color schemes & species patterns) using them on bass, snook, pike & tiger muskies, they’ve performed nearly equal, I’ve actually caught more pike on Temu knock offs, however, this is purely anecdotal to my own experience. My point is, there’s no need to get bent out of shape when there are alternatives, and also technology in the home craft industry has come a long way in the amount of tools/devices available to make your own swimbaits. I’m definitely not crying if I can’t get a hinkle trout or a giant soft swimbait I can mold myself in the same color scheme and use higher quality hooks of my own choosing.

[@braddistler5697]

So true it took me 30tries to make my bait right. Then another 10 to get situated more production style. Then weighting better and getting weights in molds. Then water temp changes screw it all up again from floating at lake to fast sink in pool. Paint was another experience learning the layers and scale colors lines are the base color of bait so usually black then white right over black. Seems like a waste lol. Been a fun excursion but figuring out first bait took months and hundreds of hrs of r&d. Honestly no other bait works as well as mine besides that new clutch chop bait. That thing works really well and doesn’t bugger up with diff cadences. Turns a bit much so like catches hooks if don’t keep line tight but that’s the only flaw. I make my hinges adjustable so it’ll turn chop or glide in seconds. Anyways great video you’re entertaining to watch.

[@kzdoezit7410]

Tell’em Geoff!!

[@aerosnout]

I would love to use a glide bait one day but I don’t know if I can justify the prices. Informative video ! Thanks

[@josemorfin8775]

love this video well said

[@larkfpv5342]

Bro that throwback drop made 70k that’s insane. I wonder what the margins are.

[@fugisgonefishin]

You have to give it up to Kyle tho. While other makers choose to keep it a 1 man project, keeping supply low and hype and demand high. Kyle offers affordable baits while pumping out a ton of baits and having a whole team and shop to back him up.

[@nickkerr5714]

Most likely 15%

[@jeffahrens6246]

Great Video Geoffrey. People just need to stop whining and support these bait makers! 🤣😂

[@christopher9076]

Part of the insanness is when youtubers say a niche bait is the " best ever" bait. Why wouldn't someone consider a knock off when the " best ever" bait is harder to get than Taylor Swift tickets.

[@530pat311]

Great video love swimbaits been hooked for 10 years now

[@TheKrumster]

One good thing about today that didn’t exist then is that there are tons of production baits for 50-100 bucks that’ll catch just as much fish as the customs.

[@fabuloussunshine5082]

I'm a custom crappie bait and lure maker in plastic and hand tied I've never seen or heard of anything like what I design and make and years of testing I stopped making anything for customers anymore a few years ago because of the complaints about prices and availability . I just make them for myself now. I even had a plan if the customer would send back baits that had caught many many fish and were rough or torn I would remelt and form the baits at no cost other than shipping my handtied jigs lasted about 200 to 225 crappie before it started to get wear on them and customers could send them in and I would replace for free.

[@colbygavigan3070]

Two questions on this... are margins not good enough to hire a helper or two and increase productivity? Do lure makers who no longer have the time to keep up with production, marketing and selling ever sell their business? I'm not one of these people to get upset about missing out on a drop (I've never bought a lure that way) but I would think if the margins were good more lure makers would expand production

[@mikehauck5832]

If I like a swimbait I buy it. I have a limit of $200 bucks. All I need are DRT baits 💥

[@Mj-bg2uj]

I want to like DRT but I don’t understand all the differences between the klash 9 , the joker and all the different tails and actions with lip in or out .. I went to get one and got overwhelmed

[@nickkerr5714]

​@Mj-bg2uj yeah it's a bit overwhelming at first, but you can just pick one mode and get good with it, then expand to the other modes

[@Mj-bg2uj]

@ Thanks for the info .. I throw a ton of normal glides and do all my fishing from my Kayak or from the bank .. a lot of my fishing areas are shallow with max depth of about 7-10 feet but from the bank im looking at max probably 4… if you were using the klash 9 would you use the hi -float model with no lip inserted for this type of area ?

[@nickkerr5714]

4ft depth i would go with a lo float. no lip, tail tips pointing down to start

[@nickkerr5714]

The hi float is basically a topwater/wake

[@garyplowman5838]

Great swimbaits bud thanks for showing them off 👍🏻

[@1302inc]

I make a little glide that I love to fish, and made a few for friends but the time it takes to pour, paint and tune is just not worth it. My last batch just didnt come out perfect and I got discouraged. I still have 2 good ones thats all that matters haha

[@arielsetnomariv7675]

The amount of money people paid last year at Auction for DRT rods was a bit insane. Gotta pay to play.

[@jasonlopez4855]

This is a great video idea learn something new thank you

[@Mark-bb8hy]

We pay for art these are a form of art keep em comming usa

[@jimb1283]

I am with you sir. I do not get the vitriol around this. Sometimes you get one and sometimes you don't. It makes the anticipation for the next drop higher. That being said, if 86Baits doesn't start making more Failsafes, then I might have to take all of this back and become one of the terrible people. 😁

[@brkyq]

It’s not easy! But very fun and rewarding when you make a good one. Also realize that your bait probably won’t be as durable as someone who does it for money.

[@alexhoule2343]

Can’t like this video enough man

[@hector00000100]

Is it even fishing if you're not using a $700 reel with a $1,000 rod with $60 of fluorocarbon to throw a 400 dollar lure to catch no fish.

[@21Brace21]

@@hector00000100 sounds like a skill issue

[@bobfishnut]

Last I recall this is America. We all should remember that people are free here no matter how they chose to fish just as long as people don't it within the law.

[@johnblaha5692]

I like watching your videos bro Side note hook up tackle never has what i'm looking for In stock , I get supply and demand but dang literally never

[@21Brace21]

The drops go quick, but I got what I needed on the first drop I tried for

[@youtubzkoz]

Sunday 8 am AZ time 🎉 gotta be fast. I buy a ton of stuff every week.

[@beastyeasty983]

Oh absolutely people need to relax and if you get one you do if not then owell wait a bit. I love the idea of people making literally useable art, some are gonna cost more than others thats the way i look at it.

[@imadeitto5051]

I love bass fishing, but I'm a musky angler at heart. Like bass swimbaits, most musky baits are made by one individual in their garage or basement. There are, of course, mass-produced musky baits, and some of them work amazingly well, and they are relativly inexpensive compared to custom-made baits. Custom musky bait makers have the same problems as their bass swimbait counterparts. Limited production ability and flippers charging a fortune can be irritating for the consumer. Baseball was once America's pastime. Now it's outrage and complaining. You don't need to blow $200+ dollars on a bait to catch a musky, nor do you to catch a stud bass, but cool custom baits are cool custom baits for a reason. Cool custom baits take a long time to make, and cool custom baits cost a big chunk of change. Period. Geoff, many notable musky bait makers have stopped selling their product directly to consumers and rely on raffles for distribution. Raffles almost completely eliminate flippers, reduce the amount of complaints from anglers unable to capitalize on a drop, and they make more money for the bait maker. Let's say your bait normally sells for $250. Instead of selling the bait for that, you raffle it off for $20 a chance with a maximum of 25 chances sold, effectively doubling the price of your bait. Do any swimbait makers run these sort of raffles?

[@youtubzkoz]

Marling Bates bought a mother chaser cut it in half and then Copied

[@samtheangler47]

Bro look at my channel the moment I switched over to a swimbait i caught a 10 pounder, big baits are tricky but you have to have to grind them out even if you skunk sit there and mess around with retrieves.

[@Cjdklh]

Dudes getting pissed that they aren't available should start making their own and out compete these guys if its so easy.

[@archtx9]

People buy crankbait blanks all the time because their hobby is painting lures for their use or sale. A swimbait blank is really no different, just bigger. It would make sense to practice your painting skill on blanks rather than a $300 canvas. I have my share of original baits, but I’ve also played with painting blanks. I’ve talked to many young anglers that there is no way their parents are funding a swimbait collection, But they might fund a blank and a rattle can

[@donjohnstonjr2647]

Good explanation

[@archtx9]

If I buy a new Driver by a leading manufacturer, it’s a $600 club. Not sure why I chose two expensive hobbies

[@ZZ430T56]

Yeah but you won't lose your club in the bottom of the pond.....Oh wait, maybe you might LOL

[@03BENNY]

In my walk thru life I’ve been to alot of places and have met many different types of people. To be at this stage in my life I feel a sense of easy fishing it helps a lot. But to find guys that fish big baits, man! Is it fun BUT TUFF AS DOG SHIT…… always learning something new and it never stops. And it’s crazy to think it’s gonna keep growing some how or another. Wonder what’s gonna be next to change the game.

[@amontri3246]

I know its hard to get these baits and do understand but i do purchase knockoffs they work the same and produce double digit fish i dont complain i just buy knockoffs as this sport continues to grow and those baits become more scarce there will be a huge demand for knockoffs its just the nature of the beast

[@vsonic86]

How da hell you throw these things? Been a big of magic swimmer 220😂 I feel like a workout throwing this big 🤣

[@skunkmaster2000]

The problem is people will complain no matter what. Just ignore the idiots and keep casting

[@brandonsmith606]

I wish people would use their heads and realize what they're dealing with. Or maybe they just need to stick to mass produced baits. I also appreciate you mentioning Nate Marling he's such a cool dude I've watched him for years.

[@Bassmaster12234]

Idc what anyone says we don’t even eat the fish the lures should never be this much

[@fiSHINsanity]

I have my own take on this subject, but it won't be a popular opinion 😂

[@Gabriel-w1u6z]

u the man 💪

[@everydaygarner5543]

It’s the same concept of a fully handmade knife… pay for craftsmanship.

[@jeremyduncan9165]

Haters will always hate… I don’t work for free!

[@mattykinzj]

I’m literally dying to try a TK or a k9 but they are either 82937482 dollars or the color I want is gone and won’t exist for millions of years to come

[@nickkerr5714]

What color do you want and how much are you willing to pay. I may know a guy

[@mattykinzj]

@ the cheapest one possible lol

[@nickkerr5714]

​@mattykinzj lol well if you can't name your price or what you want, go get it yourself then 😂😂😂

[@mattykinzj]

@ realistically like 70 on any natural or chrome ish color

[@ColinGrieco]

It is what it is, that should be the fun of a bait drop. I have to say you did not touch on bait flippers.

[@kryan318]

thank social media and you tube for making all these baits popular. supply and demand effects the price thanks for explaining it so people understand why a little better, still it wont stop the jealous complainers

[@hackmanoutdoors1626]

UThis video was spot on as a newby bait maker its amazing how fast they turn these lures out amd are tested and tuned aswell. It takes so much work people do not understand. @geoffreythekingfishing

[@t9056]

this is why musky is awesome

[@weeman782]

Shush Don't educate the idiots It's more big fish for us who knows about the upper end baits

[@cleavedspot]

There’s a solution to no baits. Take away Griff’s CC.

[@soyskills]

Unfortunately man guys holds on to them and not even fish them or the buy to flip them like in many other goods

[@TheStackboy5]

I’d say $300 is my limit on Swimbaits sucks a bait like a TK comes out for $94.95 then guys sell non fished baits for $300+ dollars on eBay I think guys think just because they get a bait they’re gonna get fish but that not how it works they’re all tools made for different situations guys are facing on the water I think some people get confused and think just because you get a exclusive bait your gonna get bites but if you don’t fish the bait right at the right time at the right angle your never gonna get bit

[@surphvision]

No no no it is Griff!

[@Bassmaster12234]

Bro said 400 yeah 😂

[@BostonDonDaDaShark88]

Throwback Baits 👇 never had the Lemonade ones available when the Homeless fisherman posted the video I went to buy gone or soldout not even available 😂😅😊 throwback baits throwback ur money and for the small glide baits 150.00 is crazy! If you loose that u cant just buy another too! Thats the biggest issue they should do what MTB did witht he insurance if u loose w e they sent you it no questions asked. Yall would make mad money with a subscription and doing a discount w a insuarnce on siad item.

[@garym2293]

🤣😂

[@ren77able]

So what about the guy in his garage making knock off citizens

[@Sum1-701]

My Magdrafts catch more then my battle shads. Chad shads catch more than my hinkles. In fact I have an S waver 200 that has caught more big bass last year then all others. To each his own but in a lot of cases the mass produced less expensive baits catch just as many fish if not more. 450.00 for a Roman made mother is insane. That bait is not worth that kinda money.

[@stylesmajor4456]

I’ve had great luck with the WCZ baits. I’m just wondering if it’s possible you have more confidence throwing the cheaper baits closer to cover, fishing them deeper, etc. Sometimes I get nervous throwing around more expensive glides lol I lost a phoneyshad last year; thought I was gonna be sick lol

[@Sum1-701]

@ Yes in some instances this maybe the case but It doesn’t take away from the fact that these cheaper mass produced lures can be major fish catchers to the point that I find myself throwing them over the high dollar lures. I do think the Hinkle trout is a specialized bait that will excel in certain waters. Could be my waters ain’t favorable for the hinkle. I get the whole supporting the garage guy thing and giving him all my money but I work my ass for my money and if there are baits out there for a fraction of the price doing a job better, I’m buying it.

[@jasonlopez4855]

There all hand painted and takes time to do. What I've heard. And everyone likes them and there kill. In hard or soft plastic bait in mass production is way different. Is nice to have 3D printer and computer to not make so many mistakes and save for ever.

[@GLIF3]

not sure when fishing turned cool make it boring again

[@kalidromos13]

I stopped giving these guys my hard earned money lol I had to stop. It’s ridiculous.

[@christreas1921]

Facts

[@JS-oy6nn]

The only thing I can’t stand is when guys buy up a bunch of lures and put them directly on eBay for + $250. You are a scumbag if you do this.

[@matthewotis3594]

Because bait makers like it this way. So they can charge unreal $ on a poured plastic lure. All about the $. They been like this since they came out. Its a $ pit. Lets be real.

[@OutofluckpikerMJK]

There is those with intellect and there are rhose who wont have intellect. Every serious fisherman that is saying the prices is way too much, are of the second category. People who DO understand time is money, and sees that that special bait has took a long time to make, not even mentioning the R&D, dont talk shit of the price. They are to expensive for me, most of them but i still dont dump complaints on videos on here. You are in USA, there is plenty of folks from the first category and thus is why you get sich comments. Here in Sweden, lure builders dont, EVER get such condescending shit written to them. Never have i seen something like that! I suggest movin to Europe if you want those dumb comments on your videos..

[@せんべい鹿]

Why do you use BIG SWIM BAIT?? I teach him thease 3 words,DREAM,ROMANCE,EXCITEMENT😂😂😂 Don't buy chinese fake.Everyone should fell CRAFTMAN's PASSIONS😊 Thank you 🎉🎉🎉

[@Eturnal1111]

Thank God for eBay and clones 😂

[@Bassmaster12234]

Trump gotta make baits cheap again

[@techtiger38]

It's a status symbol and the bait companies don't give a rip about the consumer. If their bait was so good, then they'd make them more readily available.

[@nickkerr5714]

Easy there tiger 😂

[@bastacio1764]

Did you listen to a single thing he said?

[@johnmango6056]

Or they’re small companies and don’t have the manpower to produce that many baits…. Smh 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@kzdoezit7410]

I think you’re completely ignoring what he literally talked about in this video. Bait makers obviously make and sell their products for business. If they don’t make profit off of it that’s no longer a business and I think people forget about that and immediately get emotional over the price because either you can’t afford it or not used to spending that kind of money on a bait. The time and the investment they spent to develop the prototype before making it a production model, then cost to make the molds, cost of materials, cost to ship, cost for workers if they have to hire people because they are not mass produced in China they are either made in Japan or USA it cost lot more money to make, shipping and etc….. there are many factors that make the price of products.

[@10downTrent]

Watch the video dude. He just explained why your comment is pointless and disrespectful to the craft.

[@HankG51]

I have enough problems in life to worry about missing out on limited swimbait drops. Grow up dudes

[@BASSOLA-77]

it's Griff or bots yo