Creating the DEFINITIVE Star Wars Tier List

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Let me know if you think I’m totally wrong or totally right. It can only be one or the other!!!)

[@jonwashburn7999]

I can't say what you believe is right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Heck, I enjoyed the Holiday Special back when it first came out. I was a strange child. (The Meep agrees)

[@arnijulian6241]

Shit up all the prequels 1 rating with Phantom menace in C with return of the Sith in low A then I'd agree as yes the original episode 4 to 6 is far better then the prequels 1 to 3. Phantom menace had flaws but at least it felt like a stars wars movie unlike anything Disney released except (Solo: A Star Wars Story) as that is a B as that or clone wars movie is sort of a tie as I'd watch either but are not my immediate picks. Force awakened is a flat D & frankly not worth watching & what I saw of rogue one is high F while fallen order is low C but rise of sky walker that I watched on double speed sciking sections as it was painful is worse then F. I wish I could wipe what little I remember of Rise of Skywalker from memory but all my mind tells me is no no no no no! Newer stuff up to date cinematics blind you to how truly awful the plot, script & acting truly is. Mandalorian is an odd one as it started low B in the 1st few episodes then decline quickly in season 1 to D but by season 2 is an F which I couldn't even finish with no interest of ever picking it up again. My ow my is Asoka F tier. Never watched rebels animation so no comment as no idea? Not seen resistance, Bad batch, visions, book of Boba Fett, Andor or Obi-Wan Kenobi (miniseries) I'm going to try visions, Andor & the Obi-Wan Kenobi (miniseries) but I don't have much hope as you doll out (S Tiers) way to easily You literally gave 5 of 25 Star wars IP's an S that 20% which few franchises get that sort of ranking. Either visual blind you or you like star wars so much it blinds you to obvious flaws. Phantom Menace is really not as bad a fans claim but my was it is a low compared to the original trilogy. We agree perfectly on the original trilogy but your other rankings are F'ed of what I have seen.

[@jerry7866]

There are multiple opinions that I disagree with heavily and then there's some where I think you were spot on. The only compliment I can give you is I've never seen someone with a similar ranking. Even though I dislike the last jedi I can respect you liking it as a star wars movie but imo it is not a well written movie.

[@chazjohannsen]

Me: Joe’s doing TIER LISTS now!?! Oh no! He has truly run out of ideas! Joe: *mentions a Muppets video is in the works* Me: Oh thank god! He had me for a second.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

We’d be Muppeting right this minute if I’d been a tiny bit less busy. Trust the process though, it should hopefully be a good one.

[@AdamJasper18]

I very much enjoy the rambling and would happily see more of it. After the full two hour commentary of The Last Jedi last week I was surprised to see this type of video so soon but was immediately excited to watch it

[@Joe_Brennan_]

It’s actually because of the Last Jedi video eating into the previous week that I’ve been slightly busier than planned and this video needed to happen. There’s nothing in life I find easier than talking about Star Wars so it’s a handy thing to fall back on.

[@the_amazing_crappo]

I thought The Mandalorian started out alright when it was a show about a guy and a baby Yoda having adventures and I thought it was going to evolve into a show about trying to get baby Yoda back to his home planet whilst being pursued by bad guys. But then every single Dave Filoni character ever (all of whom apparently decided to sit-out the Galactic Civil War) turns up and instead of fun adventures we get weird Mandalore... lore... and POV shifting that makes it impossible to care about anything or anyone because you're never sure who you're rooting for and what their motivations are.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Seeing Din go from not caring about the baby to caring about the baby was pretty good. Since then we’ve kind of been treading water in that area and doing much worse stuff in others.

[@danthomassolo]

*points to this Somebody said it better than me!

[@knightatyourservice7512]

I'm already very sorry for how people doesn't seem to be able to just accept someone elses' takes

[@brandonsclips7741]

You're the only SW tier list I'll watch, I hope you're honored. Haha

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I truly am

[@RandomInternetUser6120]

This is objectively a ranking of Star Wars

[@metalvenger2]

This is accurately a comment that's accurate.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I agree

[@charliehamilton8107]

Laughed so very loudly at the speed of the final ranking. I will, however, need to take a moment to process my beloved Tartakovski Clone Wars not being higher up. It (volumes 1 and 2 anyway) is a work of art and the mostly silent action vignettes were so exciting and pleasing to watch as a kid, at a time when extra SW content was scarce. Seems a long time ago now... Also really love the latter two Ahsoka episodes from Tales of the Jedi, but completely get the general reasoning for its place in the tier list. Here's to much more Visions!

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Yeah I can’t disagree with Clone Wars praise, I just connect more to other things. Maybe if I’d actually owned the DVDs it would be more important to me.

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

you forgot to mention the obvious best movie: Star Wars the holiday special

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Something that warrants the creation of a whole new tier doesn’t feel adding

[@squidgy1973]

​@@Joe_Brennan_ What would you even call a tier above S?

[@azaanyasir2811]

6:10 this reminded me of the weekly planet review where he spends 5 minutes listing all the technical achievements only to go "I hate this movie"

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Maso’s take on it is so refreshingly accurate to my own. Impossible not to admire the film, especially when having seen the work that’s gone into it. But that almost makes it worse that so much of it is shite.

[@ampersand2001]

Great video, Joe (as always!!)

[@Joe_Brennan_]

You’re very kind!

[@Jumzo_]

Happy to see you appreciate Jedi Survivor - shame it had all those technical problems at launch that dominated the discussion because otherwise it's genuinely great

[@Joe_Brennan_]

It was incredibly smooth for me on PS5 so it’s a real shame the experience was ruined for people early on

[@jamesabernethy7896]

On topic but off point if you know what I mean. I actually love tier lists and icebergs. Although I love Sci-fi I've and like most of it, I've never been a huge Star Wars fan. Saying that, Return of the Jedi is one of my favourite movies of all time, It was the first one I saw when I was younger and it was the only one that we had recorded off TV on VHS. (Yes that's how old I am) I watched it over and over again. I love how the story develops. The tense Drama of Jabba's palace, dispersed with action, the barges at the sarlac pit, reuniting with the fleet. The space battles, the parallel action on Endor, Luke's personal journey.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Everything in Jabba’s palace is superb, just a really fun semi self contained adventure in a way that you don’t really get much else in the saga

[@danthomassolo]

Also, I love listening to you ramble about Star Wars, so never apologise. You and I don’t often disagree about Star Wars (although there are one or two elements), but it’s great whether your opinion is the same OR different to mine. When it’s the same, I enjoy hearing someone articulate the point much more eloquently and thoughtfully than I could. When it’s different, I enjoy hearing a different perspective (also articulated in a thoughtful way), so keep doing you, Joe. Love these videos!

[@kylewise678]

I was very nervous about where Return of the Jedi would land (it's a lonely world for RotJ stans) but A is a respectable place to be. I maintain that it is still the best trilogy finale and that no subsequent space battle ever looked as good as Endor. Battle of Exegol in TRoS is a textbook example of where RotJ could have gone wrong but didn't. Star Wars Visions got me to watch The Secret of Kells, which is now one of my favorite animated films, so I am forever in Visions' debt for that. I am also very convinced Favreau uses ChatGPT for his scripts these days.

[@Morowinger]

Chatgpt is still better than JJ Abrahams or Ruin Johnson.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

It’s the best trilogy finale without a DOUBT

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Always fun seeing a Ruin Johnsoner in the wild in 2024

[@kylewise678]

@@Joe_Brennan_ first time anyone has ever swung at me with that one. Badge of honor I guess

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@Morowinger No it isn't. Rian Johnson, for all of his many faults as a writer, is still a better writer than ChatGPT. Same goes for JJ, although he is a bit like ChatGPT himself. (Blatantly copying ideas, lack of originality) If you prefer soulless AI garbage, fine by me

[@twicejaeger6997]

I can forgive all the takes I disagree with because of that last show’s placement 🤭

[@RobTFilms]

21:16 'I'm having fun! I swear!' v relatable

[@AdamJasper18]

I loved the Mandalorian back when it was popular before, during and after Season 2 and the episodes inserted into BoBF. But even before the dissapointment that was Season 3 I would find myself wanting to watch the show, looking through the episodes and finding none that I actually wanted to watch again.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

The lack of any real substance in 90% of them leads to a general sense of the show just washing over you

[@officialmonarchmusic]

I can share the sentiment

[@danthomassolo]

I really enjoyed it during its first season, before it got bogged down in other Star Wars content. When it first started, I got the sense that the first three episodes were to set up why these two characters were together and then it would be “Mando and Baby Yoda go on fun adventures, collecting bounties and saving the day”, like a sort of Firefly set in the Star Wars universe vibe. My favourite episode was the one where a group of bandits are terrorising a small town with an AT-ST and Din comes to town and teaches them to fight back. Proper old Western stuff (and incidentally not dissimilar to Heart Of Gold from Firefly). There was a good run of story-of-the-week episodes like that (the aforementioned one, the bounty on Fennec Shand, The prison break-in) before it got to the finale and I genuinely thought that it was going to be more like that - slow burn, taking its time to build up these characters and showcase more of the Star Wars universe. However, much as season 2 felt mostly fine at the time, it definitely started to telegraph that it wasn’t going to be a show with that kind of patience. Season 3 is just garbage, no further comment required.

[@ettskottsjumal9103]

Never rate again 

[@PARR-E]

6:46 - I'm pretty sure Qui-Gon Jin is the main character of TPM. He's the one who drives the plot forward and makes the most important decisions (aside from Palpetine). Also, I never found Liam Neeson's performance in the film dull. Edit: My opinition on TPM and AOTC is pretty much inverted from yours. I find AOTC to be the "boring slog" and TPM as the "stupid fun" one when I rewatch them, while you think the exact opposite lol.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I feel like this is technically true, but more for lack of any alternative. His wants and needs and personality feel pretty unimportant to the overall experience.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@Joe_Brennan_ This isn't entirely true. Qui-Gon is clearly identified as the main character, both because he is the POV character, and because his personality and wants are placed at odds with the rest of the Jedi. (Along with Obi-Wan to some extent) He makes a lot of important decisions that drive the plot, and he's an honestly really effective main character

[@angelamachado6307]

I never watch star wars youtubers, much less ranking videos, so I was pleasantly surprised when I found myself saying “Exactly, Exactly, He gets it!” at loud when you talked about Mando. I pretty much agree with everything you said about Mando. I thought I was the only one who never got the hyped and thought it has always been “ok”. Glad to have found my people! :D Funny enough, I also found Obi Wan Kenobi to have so much heart and emotion that, in my case, it allows me to ignore the bad production value around it. I can even say it’s my favorite of all just because of how much I love the story they told and the characters, especially Little Leia and Reva. Tbh, I found all sw shows made in LA to look bad. I don’t know if it’s the lack of scenery or the chunky costumes that always take me out of it. The quality change between the British productions and LA is crazy! (And in case someone comes and says “Mando season 1 looked good!” yeah that was 2 season of mando and 3 other shows ago, it’s been dire ever since i fear :( )

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I’m so glad you mentioned the LA vs UK distinction in these productions. It’s so stark. Pinewood productions have access to all the creature shop work that was done for the sequels, while the California shows seem to opt for rubbery imitations. I also find that the LA shows tend to cast comedians and former wrestlers in supporting roles, where Andor is bringing in classically trained actors who are fantastic at doing their specific thing.

[@angelamachado6307]

@@Joe_Brennan_ these comedian guest stars are so annoying 😭 and its such a Favreua thing. It annoys me even more bc we know John has good connections in Hollywood, why is this man bringing in snl has beens?? omgg OBWK also falls victim to the stunt casting but at least Sting was taking it seriously.

[@chrisschmitt2895]

Ive watched clone wars the show like 5-6 times. Some episodes even more. I get why people don't like it but it will always hold the #1 spot in my heart. Great video btw man!

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Thank you so much! I think I may have been slightly too dismissive of Clone Wars here, it was a show I loved as a kid and still enjoy a lot now

[@nedalsoned9940]

hard agree to almost everything here. the dissonance between all the "haha clones wars is a KIDS show but it has torture >:)"moments and the way that the characters still talk in really simplistic and direct ways is really jarring imo. the force awakens feels so troubled in the abstract but it undeniably has the sauce. visions in s is so based, especially in season 2. though the hate for mandalorian is a little wild to me. that show gets really bad in places (season 3 was like unwatchable, and roboluke feels like a grotesque parody of the current pop-culture ouroboros), but is mostly a chill silly show with good effects that passes the time ok

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I think my patience with Mando just wore incredibly thin when I realised it wasn’t even committed to being the bland show about Din that it pretended to be

[@greghawkins59]

Wish they'd done more of those a star wars story films, rogue one and solo were great fun and could have been the start of a really interesting series

[@Joe_Brennan_]

It’s so funny they got so scared after one failure that they pivoted immediately

[@greghawkins59]

@@Joe_Brennan_ "shit that didn't make a billion dollars, better ruin the franchise" 😂

[@drthomu]

Last Jedi in S tier? 😞 😡

[@VuddyProductions]

i dont really care about bad dialogue, people say the prequels' dialogue is unrealistic but it aint that deep. what is that deep is when mando goes to nevarro in season 3 and we see that the town has changed a lot since mando was last there. then mando says "this town has changed a lot since i was last here". this is amazing writing team. #FreeScongo

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Honestly, people say the dialogue is unrealistic but it's SMARTLY written. Almost every line tells you a lot more than just what's being said, as opposed to the Mandalorian or Episode 9 where there IS no deeper meaning

[@fangzntalonz]

@@officialmonarchmusicanyone who’s ever worked with George Lucas would tell you his dialogue is *not* smartly written.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@fangzntalonzEven a lot of the people who make fun of it don’t say it has no meaning. Also, in a lot of ways he became a better writer on the prequels

[@nairrdlairrd]

MUPPET VIDEO

[@Joe_Brennan_]

It’s nearly time to play the music

[@danthomassolo]

Is it time to light the lights? (SO excited for this, btw!)

[@stuartbeck1960s]

SIO BIBBLE MENTIONED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10/10 video.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Insane that I had only a few minutes per project but managed to mention him

[@Sopholians70]

As a rogue one stan, the story of all these people being so crucial for the rebellions success and dying for something they have no idea will actually happen, only to barely be remembered really itches something for me in regards to Star Wars being about revolution. Also I did see like the day after Carrie fisher died so the emotional context of it really hit me. Still sob everytime I watch it.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I love alllll of that on paper, and a lot of those character endings do work for me. I just wish it was payoff to a much better setup. Like bohdi’s final words being “for Galen!” just kind of inspire a bunch of unanswered questions about that relationship, Baze calling jyn “little sister” after about two interactions always strikes me as hilarious too.

[@niranjan6509]

I'm really interested to see where you put Bad Batch after watching the series finale. Personally, it's high A tier for me as it's been my favorite project since Disney's acquisition of the franchise. I look forward to your review on Sunday!

[@amybrennan7490]

Yippeeeee

[@calvinfranklyn5499]

I quite like Joe rambling.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Yippeee

[@ethanclark2760]

If you haven’t you should totally look at the rumored/leaked script of the “original episode 9” “duel of the fates” because it’s actually amazing as a concept (although not perfect, such as the romance sections) but other than that it’s very interesting, and really continues and adds tons of world building which makes everything so much more meaningful.

[@jonwashburn7999]

My S tier is Star Wars is Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Hard to argue really

[@MikeKennedyNFL]

How bad TROS was just makes me sad, but it’s always fun to laugh at how bad The Mandalorian can be, so your rant on it was so good I had to watch it twice 😂 And I’ve struggled to put into words how I feel about TFA for so long, but you finally did it here. Also, Andor, TLJ and Survivor are my top three Star Wars stories ever, so I very much respect this list 😤

[@Joe_Brennan_]

The more I think on it, the more I wish I’d put Survivor in S

[@danthomassolo]

TROS being bad feels extra specially saddening because (as things stand) it’s the end of the Skywalker saga and of Star Wars as a whole. Like…THIS is what we’re building towards? It’s saddening because it makes everything else retroactively that little bit worse, especially VII and VIII. Had this one stuck the landing, the sequel trilogy could have been an utter triumph. It bums me out that that isn’t how it went. Whatever happens though, I’ll still have my memories of being so excited by episode VII in 2015 that I saw it in the cinema 5 (count it) times.

[@isaacwright8211]

some of these are good, others not so good. Interesting.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

You’re wright tbf

[@A.Pearson]

Have you heard of the obi Wan Kenobi show fan edit? It takes the series and condenses it into a 2 hour movie. I actually watched that instead of the show, and if I were to make my own tierlist, it would place on B as well.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I’m sure it does it some huge favours. I personally tend to prefer taking things as they are, but I’m glad people are able to get stuff out of re-edits

[@danthomassolo]

Oooh, @A.Pearson, do you have a link for this? Would love to see it.

[@Bubblesthewitch]

S: Andor A: B: New Hope, Empire, Last Jedi C: D: F: Everything else.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I respect it

[@RobTFilms]

doctor who tier list or i unsub

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Maybe one day

[@rogueguardian]

14:36 key word there FUN, something everyone should remember to have when watching these movies.... just saying, great tier list 👍

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Thank you!

[@ethanclark2760]

For a second there I thought you were gonna give “rise of skywalker” above F tier and I was gonna loose my mind. I agree, I feel like they just wrote everything in episode 9 to make people who didn’t like the others happy? But in a way that doesn’t actually make them actually happy. It feels like the way it makes them happy is by burning the trilogy down and completely ruining what was set up.

[@danthomassolo]

You gotta love the level of detail and analysis put into this, then to cap off with: “…aaaaaand Ahsoka is F Tier. Thank you for watching!” Properly made me laugh. I haven’t watched that show yet (Mando season 3 really left a bad taste in my mouth with Star Wars), but I will definitely get round to it…although now I’m dreading it even more 😂

[@Natelu-Sama]

3:16 pretty sure thats straight from my letterboxd, ill be expecting royalties

[@Joe_Brennan_]

You have great taste

[@Natelu-Sama]

@@Joe_Brennan_ its one of those where people say the reasons its the best movie ever made and i agree with everything, but i just dont love it. im the same with raiders, honestly

[@Joe_Brennan_]

@@Natelu-Sama RAIDERS IS PERFECT GRRRR

[@Natelu-Sama]

@@Joe_Brennan_ you know its a good trilogy when raiders is far and away the worst one

[@thestupidnintendokid]

For a second I thought you were going to say "May the 4th falls on... May the 4th"

[@maugdw]

I feel exactly the same about The Force Awakens

[@thomascollister306]

Lando was better than Han in Solo imo and Solo is no where near rogue one. Crazy how different this list would be for me

[@humblesurvivor582]

Can you do an in depth video on why Prequel era content was rated so low? As a Legends fan of Star Wars before the Disney acquisition, I found the prequel era to be the golden era of Star Wars content overall. So many different stories came out from the prequel era that enriched the time of the Clone Wars. For example, Star Wars Clone Wars video game, Star Wars Battlefront 1 Pandemics and Star Wars Battlefront II Pandemics along with Star Wars Republic Commando, KOTOR, KOTOR Sith Lords, Star Wars Battlegrounds Saga, and Lego Star Wars. The Prequel Era even the impact of the prequels even had a story narrative influence upon games that would delve into stories post ROTJ into the EU through the Jedi Outcast games and Jedi Knight Jedi Academy. Not to mention the significance and relevance the Clone Wars had that played into Legends Era's Galactic Empire.

[@letsbricktogether1895]

I have watched all of clone wars multiple times over and it is by far the best star wars creation of all time and any one who thinks other wise is just wrong

[@seanhall6317]

No Ewoks movies, what the hell?

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I have yet to watch them. I just know I’ll love them too much

[@Testtube27]

That final Ahsoka button 🤣

[@jacobdaileylmao]

What’s wrong with rouge one

[@Joe_Brennan_]

I think I get into it well enough?

[@dylancahill6522]

I personally like the madalorian season 1 and 2, and i like din jaren as a character. But some epsiodes are inviously bad and some are middle and aone are good. I think personally i wouls put it on c or b

[@kaianhardman2869]

abysmal takes only one i can agree on is your rots ranking and you rebels other than that i respect your opinion but i really disagree

[@letsbricktogether1895]

any list that has the last Jedi in s tear is instantly invalid

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Wah wah wah

[@mercurialfunk]

Having Andor and TLJ on S tier is jarring

[@Joe_Brennan_]

That’s where they literally belong

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

@@Joe_Brennan_only Andor.

[@mercurialfunk]

@Joe_Brennan_ I like Rian Johnson but he's never made an S tier movie in his life.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

@@mercurialfunk i think he’s made two

[@carlosandres7006]

Yes ​@@Joe_Brennan_ he also did the best episode of television : Ozymandias

[@Morowinger]

This is the worst Star Wars Tier List i have ever sent in 40 years.

[@Joe_Brennan_]

Worst one you’ve seen so far…

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

7:05 I find I always go back and forth between TPM and AOTC on which one is the worst. I'd say they're pretty interchangeable in terms of how bad they are but for different reasons. For one thing, I kind of feel like AOTC should've to a degree been Episode I since this story is all about showing Anakin Skywalker and his fall while TPM feels kind of like a weird prologue to the whole saga. Like it's not Episode I, it's Episode 0 and of the two films? There's a lot I can see Lucas was going for that is just hurt by bad writing and to a degree questionable editing in AOTC while TPM is just dull for most of the runtime. Plus I find there's a lot more to like about AOTC from the espionage bit with Obi-Wan, seeing the beginning of the Clone Wars to some genuinely interesting characters like Dooku. But there's also a lot from AOTC that just does not work for me. It's still incredibly boring, there are a lot of ideas that are literally explained in one sentence in just an episode of a TV show better than a whole 2-hour movie can manage whereas with TPM? There's still the opening scene and the climax, I do feel Qui-Gon while all his stuff should've gone to Obi-Wan that he's a fairly interesting character at least in terms of ideas and I'll just say it has one of the best OSTs of any of the films. 10:31 I'm glad someone said it. TCW is a series that really takes many seasons to get great. I'd never say it's bad necessarily in the early parts, there's a lot I like but there's nothing that's amazing. I'd say it really picks up at the end of Season 2 and especially in Season 3 because it finds its footing, the actors have clearly evolved, there's maturity and consistency to the stories being told. It kind of flounders a bit because while I think the Netflix season is still good? It definitely has that vibe of being just episodes that they could complete being presented and doesn't really feel like a proper ending which Season 7 thankfully corrects and yes the dialogue could struggle at points because obviously it's being really held back but I think especially compared to other Star Wars cartoons and for what it presents as a show for kids? Kids got some good Star Wars. Rebels I would agree is definitely more consistent. I think it helps in particular that rather than kind of presenting one era as a whole and jumping between characters it has one clear narrative with a group of new characters we follow with the returning ones we get being characters who at the time at least did not have clear fates meaning there's stakes and tension. I really do like it. 13:20 I share those vibes. I think TFA is, for that time, a perfect movie. Not perfect in terms of quality obviously because it has problems, it is derivative to a degree of ANH, it definitely really is driven by the desire to not be like the prequels in how it just does not want to set up the state of the galaxy and there's other stuff but indeed, it's a fun time to watch. What we needed in 2015 was a good classic Star Wars adventure, something that would let us know Star Wars is in good hands and the one-two punch of this and Rogue One a year later which does have a different vibe was a good idea because setting aside how the latter kind of peeters a bit with time? It allowed us to quickly understand that these new Star Wars films weren't aiming to just give us nostalgia constantly. 17:43 Solo's fun. It is the perfect B-tier Star Wars movie for me. If I just watch it? I am entertained, it's fun, it's a very easy watch. I personally think any time it's just a fun space adventure with a young Han Solo I really love it. It's all the moments it's just a Han Solo origin or is trying to set up story stuff that is not gonna be followed up on that I kind of struggle with. 19:49 I... really did not like Resistance. I watched both seasons in a big watchthrough of TCW, Rebels and this and to be fair, maybe I need to at some point just watch it on its own but I feel like Resistance is frustrating because when it's good? It's really freaking good. It has to me one of my favorite styles for a Star Wars cartoon, I love getting anything set in the sequel era because I just really like this era and feel it could use a lot more expansion, it has great designs and episodes that are a ton of fun. Where it struggles is that while it's geared towards a younger audience, this kind of feels the most like it's trying to be a Disney Channel show set in the Star Wars universe. Most of its comedy doesn't hit for me, Kaz as a main character kind of feels like he's bootleg Sokka where they want to show he's capable while still goofy but they don't exactly nail those vibes. That being said, hardly the worst thing in the world. 23:01 TROS is an interesting one for me. I'd say as a movie, it's a good time with great action, a great soundtrack, some really cool new worlds and ideas, as far as the bad idea of Palpatine being brought back is concerned I think they did the absolute best job they could and the Carrie Fisher stuff while wonky at the very least is done the best it can be and there are developments I like or at least don't mind. I think my problem with TROS is that when I think about it for any length of time? It's a frustrating movie because this thing NEEDED more delays and script revisions. Hell I don't even think getting J.J. back was bad, their decision to try and keep with Leia being in this film and only hit that December date utterly kneecapped it. I think if it was delayed, while it does mean it would've run into the pandemic? I think that extra time would've benefit them since it could be dedicated to the script and really working out what a proper finale would've been or hell, maybe they could've seen this as being less a finale and more the beginning of a finale like I don't think there needed to be this strict dedication to it being a trilogy because as is? It's clear that Carrie Fisher's death threw everything into a frenzy and I feel J.J. was really kind of forced into making a safe movie. Funnily enough, it kind of combines the problems of the final films of both previous trilogies. It has the issues of ROTJ which clearly was not meant to be the final film and kind of just rushes things to an enjoyable but very safe conclusion but it also suffers from ROTS's problems of being very rushed but having some truly standout scenes that make it hard to completely despise. Like I would say it's more a low D for me. To just quote Caddicarus from his Letterboxd review. "Equal parts badly paced, terribly contrived and cheesy. Equal parts heartfelt, beautifully filmed and epic. Star Wars is now Kingdom Hearts. Didn’t see that coming." 25:08 I really like The Mandalorian but I also am at odds with it. I think the show when it's just about Din and his little green son going on adventures? It's fun, it's enjoyable, it's a good piece of side content. I really can't stand how Star Wars seems to think that interconnectivity just immediately makes for better shows and honestly I think this and the last few episodes of The Book of Boba Fett made me realize that Dave Filoni really needs somebody with him to argue with and just tell him no on points. The man is a great storyteller, he really knows how to make moments hit and how to make earlier episodes that you might initially just think of as dumb fluff feel important in a grand tale at just the right moments but it's clear he's a hardcore Star Wars fan that really loves this franchise when it's super connected and frankly his style of storytelling is starting to get so tiring from him injecting Ahsoka into places that even she doesn't belong in and just this constant desire to keep having connections and you pair him up with Favreau who is a good director but maybe not necessarily the strongest writer and someone that seemingly really is a Star Wars fanboy for specifically the OT and old EU stuff, you have a problem. I think using The Mandalorian as a means of providing a launchpad for other Star Wars projects that will come together for a big event is a good idea. The Mandalorian being involved with this stuff I think will just hurt it more than anything.

[@peterandrews1335]

Hey is Pete i love the clone wars movie 2008 dont care what others think and show is epic classic i love the original trilogy episode 4 5 and 6. I really like episode 1 2 3 but the sequels they were alright enjoyable to watch. 👍

[@mikaylaeager7942]

No Ewok movies?!

[@oliverbrinkworth4779]

(Apart from andor, ashoka and the ot) this is the worst take on star wars i think i have ever seen, but i guess we can have our own opinions. The last jedi in s tier tho... its one of the worst films i have ever seen, completely destroyed the franchise

[@tylercottam3274]

Sorry but your list is trash. Here's the REAL definitive tier list: S: The Clone Wars series, Revenge of the Sith A: Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, Attack of the Clones, The Phantom Menace B: Rebels, Young Jedi Adventures, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ahsoka, A New Hope, Return of the Jedi, The Clone Wars Movie C: The Force Awakens, Mando, Andor, Empire Strikes Back, Rogue One D: The Rise of Skywalker, Solo, Resistance, Book of Boba Fett F: The Last Jedi

[@Joe_Brennan_]

What about Visions

[@buckfastbjork6968]

Criticising mando for having shit dialogue and characters (true) but then having Obi Wan and Bad Batch in B tier is genuinely astonishing to me like what??? Also rogue one is the most fun Star Wars film since ROTS and shud be A tier as should ROTS Also I love the last Jedi but there’s no way it’s any higher than B or maybe A tier

[@officialmonarchmusic]

The Bad Batch doesn't even have bad dialogue, and the characters are far better than Mando. It is what Mando wants to be

[@danthomassolo]

That’s the beauty of these lists. We’re all going to have different ideas to greater or lesser degrees. Like, I agree with you (I think) that Kenobi was higher on this list than I’d put it, but I also disagree about Rogue One (which I’ve watched once and never watched again) and that’s totally cool. I think Joe was pretty clear that it’s fine if you enjoy the things he’s criticising (he even says he’s happy for us if we get something out of it, and that’s a pretty good faith/good natured way of talking about these things). I too think it’s great if you loved Rogue One. There are definitely things IN IT that I love (K-2SO is a very fun character and Alan Tudyk elevates everything that he’s ever been in).

[@buckfastbjork6968]

@@danthomassolo lowkey i love it because I find it so much fun and to me is the only Disney Star Wars that captures the goofiness of the OT and prequels So many of the line deliveries are just so weird and funny or melodramatic or just soooo quotable “Are we BLIND deploy the garrison !” Like idk why that line just gives me an immediate boost of dopamine it’s just how the actor performs it And that weird hilarious way some background character shouts “what is she proposing?!?” While Jyn is making her big speech is just so funny to me and feels so authentically Star Wars in how silly and dramatic it is

[@danthomassolo]

@@buckfastbjork6968that’s so interesting, because the reason I didn’t like it was how “not-fun” it felt to me. I think it was partially because of my expectations going in (and that’s not really the movie’s fault). I don’t know why, but I was expecting a heist movie, like an Ocean’s Eleven in space vibe and instead got what felt to me like a really miserable war film. YET…I love Andor and you can hardly call that a feel-good show. Go figure!