Crime Scene Investigator On Finding Cooked Human Brain | Minutes With

In this week's episode, we speak to Jo Millington a forensic scientist and blood spatter expert on her incredible work identifying murderers through the 'magic art' of crime scene investigation. Jo reveals the common mistakes murderers make when killing, explains how you can never totally clean up a crime scene and how it feels like to catch a 7/7 London bomber.
00:00 - 00:34 - Intro
00:34 - 02:40 - Early Life
02:40 - 05:23 - Magic Art
05:23 - 06:59 - Simulating Human Flesh
06:59 - 10:18 - Crime Scenes
10:18 - 13:49 - Blood Dripping Through The Ceiling
13:49 - 15:18 - Brain In A Frying Pan
15:18 - 16:59 - Body In A Freezer
16:59 - 18:22 - Clean Up
18:22 - 19:59 - Mistakes Murderers Make
19:59 - 23:37 - Identifying A London Bomber
23:37 - 24:55 - Protecting Mental Health
24:55 - 25:46 - Reflection
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Thank you to Jo Millington for taking part in this episode. For more information about Jo’s blood pattern training space visit spattered.co.uk or to find out more about her forensic work with potential miscarriages of justice visit insidejustice.co.uk.

[@ZEROmg13]

i have not doubt she's smart BUT is she "i could find Dexter" smart???

[@user-ss1gk7zn5f]

Suicide bombers, ISIS, AL QAEDAR are all mossad,MI5 and CIA. Give up on the lies

[@ladypamela8269]

Absolutely awesome video

[@Themis33]

She's so blessed to have had parents who let her follow her dreams. That's priceless.

[@hellybelle5]

Her humility is so refreshing, especially in light of how brilliant she is.

[@clarehogan2842]

I worked with Jo for years. She is an incredible scientist and a skilled communicator, not to mention a great role model.

[@noth606]

These things always make me wonder how the people pictured are "as a person" rather than the specifics of a "forensic scientist" so to speak, people aren't their job... Like I used to be a 'senior software developer' which would give this "arch nerd" type of image, but I'm also a father, at times hard to get to 'be serious', speak 5 human languages and love to cook. The random bits and bobs that fill in the 'not forensic science' if you get what I mean, whatever they are.

[@Reverend_Beezy]

@noth606 you sound like a particularly rad individual I’d be happy to know. 😄

[@aussiejubes]

​@noth606 which non-human languages do you know?

[@noth606]

@@aussiejubes C# best, some Javascript, some C dialects, to a lesser degree from Lisp to Basic and Pascal ;-). Least human I suppose would be either 'horse comms' or ASM.

[@aussiejubes]

@@noth606 I'm glad you answered! I was wondering where you'd go with that. I googled horse comms. It's only coming up with literal talking to horses. Are you a horse whisperer? 😯

[@mikefernandes4669]

7 minutes in and I already know I could listen to her talk for hours and be fully captivated. It's a rare gift nowadays

[@JackieBlue65]

It is a rare gift,she's very calming ❤

[@annievine9686]

Seriously! I was just thinking this lol ❤

[@Toffeeabi81]

I was thinking the same thing. This is really interesting. I've listened to some great audiobooks the prison doctor by Amanda Brown worked hmp wormwood and hmp bronzefield the governor by Vanessa Frake worked at Holloway and wormwood scrubs. These books are a great way to understand the criminal justice and prison system better when it works and when it doesn't. From the view of a former governor and doctor who went from a suburban medical centre to working in prison starting with a young offenders unit to wormwood scrubs

[@donnakawana]

Indeed...

[@Jestice1286]

I was lead here by a short, it was enough for me to want to hear her talk about her job. ❤

[@Anonymous-mp5mt]

Admirable how she’s able to continue to work in situations that would leave most of us rocking in a corner from 1 crime scene.

[@whoami1654]

😂😂😂

[@IreneLakhan]

Truth!

[@maribolton8968]

Is a God given talent I believe…I’m amazed by this scientist investigators…

[@torigazzara1433]

She needs to write a book and record the audiobook. She is a wonderfully fascinating scientist and storyteller. Such brilliance and compassion!

[@mach9838]

You can tell she is very empathetic by how she talks about her work. Her prioritizing respect for the individuals who have passed away is so kind.

[@hepihepi7339]

She seems like a person you could just trust. With brining justice, with having your back, with finding answers.

[@ellahayfield5698]

I was thinking this! What a woman!

[@theanita1]

Whilst the conversation topic was gruesome, this interview was inspiring to hear from someone who absolutely loves their job and respects it for what it is

[@debbiewilby]

What an incredible woman Jo is!! I could sit and listen to her for hours upon hours!! This interview was just fascinating!! Thanks Jo!!

[@melissagallagherr]

I’d watch a full documentary listening to her discuss her experiences in that field ❤

[@debbiewilby]

@@melissagallagherr I would too!! The way she speaks and explains things kept me interested when I usually would be daydreaming within 2 mins of a person speaking!! lol And imagine the things she’s seen in her time!! This doco needs to happen!!

[@heehoopeanut420]

I agree 100%, she is so captivating!

[@lsun5322]

Jo urgently needs a podcast!! Or to start a side gig reading audiobooks… both would be amazing!

[@ef1876]

I was lucky enough to meet Ms Millington at a science conference I went to with my school and she was the most wonderfully kind and patient person with us. Not many people as respected in their field as her, would make time for a gang of 12 y/o girls with only the barest understanding for what she does but the way she spoke with us and broke things down sticks with me even now. It was a major part of my decision to go into sciences later in school. A truly incredible woman. (Edit for typos)

[@cosmicmuffin322]

How fantastic

[@splint3048]

A university lecturer once told me that the dropout rate of students in the forensics course that ran a uni near where I live is insanely high., like over 90 percent by final year. She seemed to think that people watch CSI and think the job would be like it is on TV. When they realize that it's a lot different and not at all glamourous or cool, they drop out. That aside, this was a very interesting video.

[@iam1smiley1]

I did a course at the morgue before and a lot of people just couldn't handle what they seen...which is understandable ❤

[@Dentiera]

Yeah, in CSI they don't show all the boring lab and equipment cleaning or the boring computer admin/archiving stuff you need to complete for every item you examine. xD Just the pretty colourful reactions.

[@aussiejubes]

I have to say, what I've gleaned from watching those "how they caught them" episodic documentary shows, is how the absolute last vocation I'd go into in law enforcement is CSI. Utterly boring with long hours of being in uncomfortable positions & needing more attention to detail under duress that I have in me. I've often wondered who would go into this job. It has to be a passion.

[@Char10tti3]

My secondary school took a few of us kids to the local uni for a scientific and health careers day. The forensic scientist and forensic psychologics (and also the midwife who was also there) was very very blunt and it was just after the police force got rid of their forensic science divisions to bring in independent ones. She talked about cases where psychiatrists were involved in their work to get to the bottom of cases and how gruesome they would be, especially since there now wasn't regular government mandated therapy because of their work.

[@virtualgambit577]

This is true, I take forensics courses as electives and most of my classmates majoring in forensic sciences dropped out by year 2.

[@ForensicTrainingPartnership]

Jo is outstanding and is one of UK's leading biology BPA scientists. Her work takes her all over the world and she's in much demand. She's currently delivering some basic training to a new cohort of UK CSI's via the Forensic Training Partnership at Cranfield University.

[@sb_dunk]

Found Jo's KZbin account!

[@jayspot4]

She's a modern day Dexter, but without all the killing! Fascinating and thoroughly enjoyable to listen to Jo, she's an incredible speaker! Would love to read her book if she ever wrote one!

[@cynnimini2650]

And she studied in Miami aswell

[@awillis9751]

I love listening to people who pick a vocation. People that are so passionate about what they do, it’s never just a job to them. It’s their life. Inspiring, great role model for women in STEM too. I could listen to so much more from her

[@MrChipz900]

💯

[@JoelWende]

There are tens of thousands of remarkable scientists in the world, however the number who can communicate their work as wonderfully as Jo can is a much much smaller number. She needs to have her own tv show!

[@laratheplanespotter]

I love Jo! I’m at university right now doing forensic science. I’m just going into my last year. Can’t wait to be qualified!

[@moonshadow3946]

@laratheplanespotter I hope that you will do well in your chosen field in the future. We need more people like yourself who are enthusiastic and dedicated in this particular branch of science. Wishing you all good luck for now and for the future. 💐👏

[@krayozmines]

I'm sure you'll do great work once you're hired

[@laratheplanespotter]

Thank you for your lovely comments 💞

[@Velma839]

She was absolutely captivating to watch and listen to. Her knowledge and understanding of her job, but also her empathy and soul understanding of how each space is sacred was intriguing. She has not allowed her job to get to her head at all. How admirable

[@JenWren4]

Miss Millington you are an inspiration! I rank you up there with first responders. I pray for your mental health because it can't be easy and I'm sure that that's an understatement. I'm overwhelmed by your intelligence and your insight into human behavior and the smallest details. Thank you so much for doing a job that can't be easy because I'm sure you've brought a lot of peace to families who have been victims of violent crimes! God bless you And thank you for being a role model and leading the way as a woman in your field!

[@toagoodhome46]

I remember watching ‘Indelible Evidence’ when I was a young girl, and being fascinated. There was a particular episode where the forensics were able to make an image of a man’s face shape from the bite marks in an apple left at the scene of a crime. For its time it was an absolutely brilliant programme 👍🏻

[@wrighty553]

I remember that episode too!

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

It’s impossible to do that and it wouldn’t be admissible in court anyway.

[@toagoodhome46]

@@thearmchairjournalist566 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYecg51nZtmVgLssi=h-7uZVufEKSC6_Ou

[@H0n3yMonstah]

Sounds extremely pseudosciencey

[@novembermember]

Being so consistently in the presence of an assault scene would just be utterly disgusting. I'm thankful that people like Jo exist. Our society could not function properly without such people.

[@Outnumberedbykidsandcats]

This is exactly what my 13 year old daughter wants to do. The school know exactly what she wants to do - whenever they have their time to read a book from home in tutor group they always ask questions like “is that another serial killer investigation book?” “ why are you reading a blood spatter analysis book” “why are you reading a book written by someone about postmortems?” I think they have given up thinking they should tell her to look at other careers and just embraced her passion now.

[@estherl9630]

Incredible insight. Great interview. Thank you for your work Jo

[@beverlyhigh620]

Every 4th week, I was the on call child protective svcs nurse, almost every call included a forensic investigator. The details this man could find amazed me. It's a tough job.

[@NickMate]

Jo was the perfect person to do this. She is so eloquent, i could listen to Jo talk for hours. She really should right a book one day

[@lesaha4181]

So the number 1 thing that now keeps me from ever committing such crimes is honestly that I know I would never be that clean to not let Jo Millington down. I couldn't live with myself. She seems so cool, so well tempered and smart. I just couldn't be judged by her. There are other good reasons too, sure, but this would be my main concern, swear.

[@bedeckt]

Maybe you can also find a way to be the cause of someone else not committing these things? I mean that someone would think of you the way you think of Jo.

[@simonfea2]

I went to college to be a forensic scientist, I was even accepted under that major, but it was much too difficult for me, so I majored in something I could do well: psychology. I wish in hindsight 21 years after graduation that I stuck with it.

[@VAghahe1985]

Psychology is very beneficial too. Forensic seems like something that needs a lot of emotional blocking, not everyone is willing to do that.

[@kakes6412]

I could listen to her talk & tell stories for hours! So respectful to the job & you can tell she is passionate about it. ❤

[@jasonjuneau2948]

Yeah. Ive had a nose bleed drip into the bathroom sink and it splatters quite a bit. So i clean it all and a week later i found a couple spots on the side of the cupboard the sink sits on. And these days all they need is a tiny speck so..pretty hard to get away with anything.

[@nickfanthorpe8500]

One of the most fascinating things I've watched for a long while!

[@miapepler]

Amazing interview. This woman is so well-spoken, I'd watch her for hours.

[@lisagreenway8410]

I always wanted to be a forensic scientist but I couldn’t find it at any uni when I looked. The biology couldn’t even get me into it like you can now. I am so glad that she got to follow her passion and has helped other people and give those who can’t speak to give them a voice. It’s thanks to people like herself that crimes are solved x

[@sd8393]

It gives me so much joy to see a person truly loving their work. It gives me even more joy to see a scientist, who's a woman on top of their respective field!

[@DemonLurch]

I thought the same thing!

[@Bienvibel84]

What an amazing interview and what an inspirational woman. She spoke about her rile with such respect and dignity

[@EscanorChi]

It must be an incredible feeling to know your calling from such a young age and have yout parents go to bat for you to get you there

[@nedisahonkey]

What a weird coincidence! I was watching a video on the exact cannibal case she was talking about just a couple hours before this video. His name was Peter Bryan, and the details of his case fit what she describes perfectly.

[@nickjung7394]

I am really quite reassured that such people exist to help solve crimes. Thank you!

[@MrSocks1990]

I love the passion in her stories, especially the last minute when she said about the Blackpool analogy. It's always nice to hear that someone has the vocation they dreamed of 😊

[@laurenmilani9965]

I could just listen to Jo all day, what a well spoken woman this was just so interesting! I’ve wanted to be in forensics for years now I only wish I knew that when I was in school, I never chose science or maths or chemistry because I never thought I was smart enough to do those subjects, and back in school I didn’t want to put the effort in to subjects I thought were too “difficult” for me, but when you realise how learning those topics at a younger age can help in the future and encourage you to pursue a career like forensics it really puts things into perspective. This video has definitely given me the push to start my journey into studying. The passion Jo has for her job is incredibly inspiring and I aspire to be someone like her in the future!!

[@fsociety.dat101]

I'm always so bitter when I hear someone say "I knew what I wanted to do in school". How lucky is that? To discover a meaningful passion that can be turned into a rewarding and lucrative career. I'm 34 and I still live with my dad because working in retail pays peanuts. I've tried self educating myself in web development and it took me 3 years just to learn the basics from html to react. I managed to land a job with no experience or qualifications, but I quit the same week I was hired because I couldn't handle the pressure of everything they wanted me to learn in just a year. I feel like I operate at half the capacity of everyone else.

[@thebeeprince8948]

ive always just wanted to work at mcdonalds 😭 my boyfriend has a really big ambitious dream so i just wanted to work at mcdonalds and support him. why did i want to work at mcdonalds? i love mcnuggets

[@zak__21]

Too real... the fact that her parents supported her even when the line of study wasn't really available is just sweet

[@PaigeOfTheSmiths]

For me, it’s the autism 😅

[@sarahissersohn5495]

Also autistic, w/ ADD, anxiety, and depression, but it doesn’t mean we won’t get there; it just means it’s going to take longer, bc of all the voluminous invisible labor we are always having to do, just to function. Like processing more sensory information than neurotypical people generally do. It takes a lot of energy to do, and once you develop a backlog, everything functions at much lower efficiency. Try to keep your head up! I work 6 days a week, but I’m also in school online, part-time. I’ve had tons of setbacks, but I’m determined AF, and I know I didn’t come all this way, to stop short of my goals. You need to identify what you’re passionate about. Maybe you can find meaningful work that incorporates your interests; maybe you end up choosing work that allows you to focus on your passions during your personal time. People have lived with family for centuries; nuclear family-style households have really only been a thing since post WWII, when sitcoms came out, as part of a huge PR campaign aimed at increasing nationwide spending on things like toasters, vacuum cleaners, etc. Don’t let yourself get judgey towards yourself- take time to think about what you actually even want, visualizing different options, and paying attention to how you feel when considering each possibility. That’s my best advice. Try not to let yourself get depressed, bc then it’s way harder to get anything done, and it’s also hard to climb out of, for many of us. Rooting for you, from a distance 💜⚡️

[@legoqueen2445]

​@sarahissersohn5495 thanks for the great pep talk! You're a gem! 😊

[@levi320]

thats a woman who truly knew what she wanted to do and did it. incredible

[@angierucinski5694]

What an absolute hero ❤️ Thanks to Jo and all the others like her who help bring killers to justice and some measure of closure to the families and loved ones of the deceased

[@Megadextrious]

Kind of off topic but - I’ve been having chronic nose bleeds all my life, at times my bathroom will look like a murder scene when it’s been particularly bad. I would really like to see how bright my bathroom/room glows with the luminol 😅 it would probably be blinding! But yeah, what an interesting lady! I’ve always wanted to get into criminal psychology or something with forensics. I think it’s all just so interesting, and what’s better than helping solve a crime to help another human being, or advocate for the deceased who’ve lost their voice…

[@pinkfeet518]

this might be a little weird to ask, but have you ever had any surgery for it? i used to get nosebleeds BAD, like gushing blood out of nowhere. i had a septoplasty done and they stopped completely. not sure what was causing them but it was definitely a positive side effect that i didn’t expect

[@IruneSkye]

@@pinkfeet518I’d recommend just visiting an Ear Nose and Throat specialist. It can be caused by an exposed blood vessel. I had the same problem and all the doctor needed to do was cauterize the exposed blood vessel.

[@GeekGamer666]

Depends on how often you clean since cleaning chemicals will have an effect on blood that would make it no longer react with luminol. It also depends on what with because there are some other things it can react with iirc (to be fair it's off CSI that I'm recalling so it's not exactly hard data).

[@JerryHeschInstitute]

Please see an ENT doctor a non stop nose bleed is dangerous and watch out for any blood thinners

[@portaldolphin13]

me too

[@juelz5844]

Anybody else is thinking about watching Dexter again? 😊 Great interview, I like it all! The light and sound quality, the topic and the interview.

[@ediedoodle]

I think its amazing that jo was so inspired by watching the indelible evidence program with her mum to be a forensic scientist and now some young person might watch this and be so inspired by her stories and want to be one too! ❤️

[@hello_elco]

I hope one day to find a career I’m just as passionate about as she is. Nearly 30 and hasn’t happened yet, but as long as you’re alive there’s hope!

[@AbigailBrown-wk7xl]

Jo is an inspiration. Jo really has a passion for forensics. You can trust Jo to get justice. Jo is a role model . Jo is a wonderful forensic scientist ❤

[@REDDEVIL9269]

I could listen to Jo for hours, she speaks so well and sounds extremely knowledgeable

[@SayNoToRacism___]

Amazing just listening to the other side and how they conduct this operation. I was jailed in 2013 and this lady was the BPS in my case. It was reduced from AM to Section 18.

[@Char10tti3]

I hope you got the support you needed (and also good on Jo for that)

[@H0n3yMonstah]

Great communicator. Really delivered the grimness of the situations without being majorly graphic.

[@denarendall]

What an interesting watch! Though very difficult and disturbing, this must be a fascinating job. Jo was great - I could ask her questions and listen to stories for hours.

[@steveharrison76]

What an incredibly fascinating lady. Would happily listen to her talk about her job for hours!

[@spursphil81]

Brilliant dedication and passion for work, such a role model. Well done for and thank you for your hard work keeping us safe. 👍

[@ninabradshaw2267]

Thank you Jo for the wonderful work you do to keep all of us safe.

[@jonas.zehnder]

So fascinating. I have so much respect for Jo and her work. It‘s inspiring on how she talks about her experiences, passion and respect for this job.

[@tylerjones3875]

This was fantastic! Jo is an amazing person, could listen to her talk all day! Thanks for organising the interview!

[@ha231]

I always find it so cool when people know what they want to do so young and just go for it. Always helps to have awesome parents who recognise and support your passions like that.

[@heaton5228]

Fantastic interview thank you for sharing

[@AboutEVERYTHING0308]

wow, this is just AMAZING. Thank you for this.

[@beastyboyBlue]

I could listen to her all day.

[@samanthaquant7411]

What a lovely, humble, super smart person!

[@Kaylabracadabra]

Such a great interview!! I could listen to her tell her stories for hours!!

[@Ava-ui1wk]

Amazing interview, I adore seeing passionate people contributing invaluably to society

[@bl0tt44]

excellent interview, thank you x

[@lyndkent-cl2oe]

What a beautiful humble human being!....Thank your incredible skill.

[@jennybond1356]

This woman and her colleagues are truly amazing. They use their intelligence and experience to bring closure, answers and justice for the families and the victims.

[@MissMimimimi]

Absolute legend Jo is, thank you for your service and expertise in this field ❤️

[@rachelhughes163]

Jo, I could watch you all day, you’re so mesmerising. You’re so informative, I really enjoyed this documentary, I wish you had some more stories of your experiences, does anybody know if she is in any more documentaries. Just enjoyed listening to her so much and she answered all of my questions I was wondering. Her story telling was brilliant!! 😊

[@lizevans7645]

What a great individual in all senses of the word. Sensitively managed, respectful. Well done on a difficult topic.

[@nataliasamborska6101]

Great interview... So interesting ♥️

[@MateDrinker33]

Excellent video! :)

[@spiercephotography]

A really fascinating look and insight, thank you to Jo for sharing!

[@ofelia7077]

What amazing work and passion, a great interview, very interesting.

[@flickjaine86]

Jo, you're amazing! I'm going into my 3rd year at uni doing forensic science and still not sure what to do or where to go after! Absolutely fascinating, I love forensic science.

[@BlueBird8925]

This interview was fascinating.

[@hmaommer]

Incredible person . So informative and educational . 🥰

[@SweetStrawberryShell]

Amazing interview

[@t99brownie]

This is fascinating 👌 great interview

[@52188972]

this is soooooo enjoyable to listen to. i bet jo could talk about any topic and it would sound great!

[@janbarber7807]

What a fantastic woman,scientist,communicator.Respect!

[@JoyfulNerd400]

What a fascinating woman. I could sit and listen to her for hours

[@Squeebert85]

Brilliant person! Great interview!

[@sophie4636]

Such a thoughtful and fascinating interview of a truly interesting lady ❤

[@kellystojek]

could listen to jo all day we need more of her stories im invested (not in a weird way) but big crime fan here only watch sky crime and crime docs

[@amandajackson6714]

She is a professional. God bless her 🇬🇧

[@gretahelphrey7842]

Amazing interview! Amazing woman! Thanks for this interview.

[@becbec3541]

I feel strongly that happiness in life can come from having a definite purpose. For some that will be from thier job. To know what your calling is with such clarity at such a young age is something I sort but never found. Genuinely envious of this fascinating lady. What a great watch x

[@amycallaghan4991]

I respect how you can't normalise her work experiences but also doesn't feel like she's worked a day in her life. Like 'blackpool rock' what a human being to listen to. Rationalism to find justice in our humanity. I could listen to her all day long

[@tq6892]

She’s incredible and makes me feel so proud to be Northern and British.

[@julianalcock8658]

Fascinating lady. Could listen for hours.

[@Niamhmariephelan]

Loved this, very educational. I wanted to be a forensic detective,but life had other plans for me, she's now 9 years of age 😂😂.... I could watch this all day ❤

[@jamgam4118]

Absolutely fantastic video, amazing lady and invaluable work she and her colleagues do! Bravo to you all! brilliance of science at its best...

[@SwissTonisQuiff]

What a fantastic interview. I'd love to hear more stories from her

[@sultanabran1]

one of the best episodes. nice work, Jo.

[@Itsactuallyimogene]

What an amazing person. So glad such a brilliant and scientifically creative and open mind is doing such important work for victims ❤

[@musobri]

What a great communicator. A grim subject but what a beautiful voice.

[@gdhaym8_]

Wow this was so interesting!

[@DemonLurch]

She seems like someone you could trust to do her best. Have so much respect for her and her work. She knew what she wanted to do and she did it.

[@pajnolan4459]

What a fantastic person she is. So impressive

[@mrsminnatk3992]

She is so clear and smart!

[@paulodingle2142]

Brilliant interview