Criminologist Reviews Serial Killers From Movies & TV | Vanity Fair

[@katiesweet392]

imagine getting a phd in criminology, being a professor, and being as successful as this guy, and then you have to watch a riverdale clip.

[@willshogren1987]

lol

[@andrewthezeppo]

Riverdale is fun if you don't take it seriously. Sometimes you just wanna get drunk and watch something stupid and it is generally more entertaining(laughing at and with) than whatever is on some CBS crime procedural. I will gladly watch whatever nonsense Riverdale has over Criminal Minds or Law and Order SVUSEEYOUNEXTTUESDAY

[@willshogren2232]

Andy T. Zeppo, PhD

[@srhbluerain]

Dude's getting paid, you're overthinking it....

[@moonstruckfaye]

Imagine slaving for years in academia until you get a PhD and a position as a professor, all the research, interviewing horrible people, waiting patiently for your time to come - and then vanity fair comes around and gives you a very healthy paycheck for discussing some stupid little TV series and films for half an hour.

[@vinceb8041]

That is a seriously impressive teacher, I can imagine him holding a 2 hour lecture without a second of boredom.

[@shantcheetah]

Absolutely: He’s a talented man & has so much knowledge to offer..

[@Jroseuk91]

I have been to one of his lectures and I can assure you… you are not wrong!

[@totodilehash4695]

Ops right we run out of time but if anyone would like to stay behide and ask any qwestions feel free... "Everyone stays seated"

[@Biffygirl1997]

I went to one of his introductory lectures in Criminology at Birmingham City University and it was definitely captivating!

[@TheMeanAdmin]

I'd watch that

[@MrHEC381991]

The thing that creeped me out the most was when Ed Kemper (in the Mindhunter show) said something like; "You only base your theories on the people you've caught."

[@37thraven]

Famous case study in usability / engineering-design. War time engineers were tasked with improving planes to be less vulnerable to getting shot down. They only had the *surviving* planes that came back bullet-ridden, but flyable. The straightforward military wanted to armor the areas most shot at, ignoring that the planes had survived *because* those areas weren't critical. Meanwhile the planes that had been hit in the other seemingly "rarely-damaged" areas never made it back at all, and so were never counted. We make this same cognitive mistake _all the time_ E.g. In entrepreneurship, we interview the rare success stories as if they're visionaries who knew exactly what to do. Versus seeing them as lucky unicorns who didn't fall prey to all the common pitfalls that claimed every other business (bad timing, public opinion, workforce issues, etc)

[@smaakjeks]

@@37thraven Yep. Survivorship bias is what it's called.

[@francisphillips53]

Kemper was so smart.. spoke scary truth too.

[@37thraven]

@Jerry P Which truths? @@smaakjeks Glad to see the biases are getting well known! I figured itd be better to give examples rather than just the term :)

[@smaakjeks]

@@37thraven Well, I studied ethology, so I dunno how well I represent the average person in terms of knowing game theory.

[@tonight7559]

i really like his ending note about how we should focus on the victims rather than obsessing to ente the mind of a serial killer

[@spiralbones]

yet he studies and writes about killers, not victims.

[@sophiep6718]

⁠@@spiralbonescos he’s literally a criminologist, he can still be a criminologist and say that people should focus on the victims more 😭

[@spiralbones]

@@sophiep6718 should be a victimologist

[@BionicDirector117]

@@spiralbones You're either trolling or you're being willfully dense. What even is your objective with either of your statements?

[@jasonmillsom2981]

​@@spiralboneshis point is the killers are losers and we sensationalise them, despite the fact they are idiots, don't get how that flew over your head

[@somberstricken4424]

Nice to see him not glorifying or fantasizing the murderers. He calls them "losers" and "incompetent". Edit: please stop with the redundant "what he actually meant" know-it-all replies. I get at least one a day and I'm over it.

[@fovosprodromus5020]

A change of pace. People are real odd these days

[@lauras5359]

Definitely. I think people are so fascinated by murderers like Ted Bundy and tend to humanize them and try to sympathize with them. I think that situation (with Bundy) was made worse by a attractive man like Zac Efron playing him.

[@luizafett6642]

@@lauras5359 yeah but it is said that bundy was very charming and played off the fact that he seemed non-threatening and attractive to lure women in. Zac Effron playing him is pretty accurate to what actually happened (and the movie is based in a book by bundy's long time (ex)girlfriend). It is important to show people that serial killers can be pretty, and charming, and that they aren't always ugly monsters. If someone humanizes a serial killer just because he is attractive, than that's on them, not on the actor/moviemakers.

[@lauras5359]

@@luizafett6642 that makes sense. For me personally, I don't find Ted Bundy attractive at all. Although maybe that's just because I know he's a serial killer. If I saw on the streets back when he was active, I'd probably see him as non-threatening.

[@somberstricken4424]

@@popcorn1601 that's really interesting, but I don't think all serial killers are incompetent. I just liked how he was letting us know there's nothing special about them, and they don't deserve admiration. I know they're not stupid, a friend of my family's brother was killed by John Wayne Gacy in Chicago. They had no idea he was even a victim til the cops identified his remains under his house.

[@ItWasAMisinput]

"beta males" "they're losers" this man just roasted every killer to walk the earth, if only the news humiliated them instead of giving them cool names and speaking about them with so much curiosity

[@cass8330]

I think it would just make things worse because it's using shame.

[@841-o6g]

Beta male 👆🏻

[@cass8330]

@@841-o6g I'm not any of that mate and I'm a female

[@841-o6g]

@@cass8330 sympathetic to betas then.... 😁

[@cass8330]

@@841-o6g I think your thinking is dangerous & is the cause of a lot of unnecessary suffering.

[@athelise]

This man has nerves of steel. And he is right, we need to look out for the victims instead of glamorizing the serial killers themselves

[@pemj7360]

I'll always feel the victims. But please remember when he talks to the killers ect he's never alone with them . Remember someone with nothing to lose has nothing to lose

[@athelise]

@@pemj7360 I don't mean physical safety, I'm aware he's protected through out the interview process. But hearing all of these terrible things that these people have done and their thought processes can incredibly disturbing and draining even to trained professionals. Burn out in this profession is a real problem. Having the emotional and mental fortitude to keep going as he has is what amazes me.

[@googlefashists4986]

Nerves of steel? He isnt interview them without protection.

[@brianwalsh1401]

We also glamorize narcissistic behavior like Trumps as being "alpha male". Unfortunately this makes some people think it's cool to be a ghetto gangster or proud boy/oath keeper instead of being a decent human being.

[@Eshelion]

@@googlefashists4986 It's a pity you see only 2 options here.

[@HolldollMcG]

If what I read was correct, the gent who played Ed Kemper in Mindhunter was formerly a preschool teacher, living a totally ordinary and peaceful life, and he was chosen because of his immense size and calm demeanor. Incredible.

[@amandaskywalker7331]

Wow, incredible. I hope he gets more roles.

[@questionmark5463]

He fit into that role in a rather uncanny way. How he nonchalantly recounts the most horrific acts is chilling.

[@sydneyo5500]

Sounds like what you read was not correct. He was an actor with several previous credits. He may have had a day job, but he was an actor before this role.

[@artg6700]

@@sydneyo5500did they say they didn’t? They said formerly. There are plenty of actors who were in other small roles but the reason they got picked is because of experienced outside of acting

[@kristaacuna6348]

He spent tremendous amount of time studying kempers interviews to perfect his dimeanor and speech pattern..total dedication to the role

[@Angelica-hw6kz]

I can’t believe they made this poor man watch a riverdale clip

[@deaddumplings5565]

You can see how disappointed he was🤣

[@RihannaOverdose]

Lmao that show is so ridiculous

[@user-fn1nt1su5m]

I STARTED LAUGHING

[@Acucido]

Serial killers are bad people, but these people... these people are monsters!

[@HarptoHeart69]

You poor people who judge Riverdale, is not the point. The point is, what is happening at that moment. Doesn't matter what show it is. 😑🤦‍♂️

[@MsNomzie]

"I now encounter overkill and mutilation all the time" was probably one of the scariest things he said

[@JK_Clark]

Really? If they're going to kill you anyway, what happens after isn't as scary.

[@coolbeans5911]

same, i was hoping he would elaborate more on that. I know violence must have increased significantly during the pandemic but i didn't know overkill and mutilation has become more common; it's terrifying

[@hawwwkx]

@@JK_Clark maybe not for the victims (if we aren't talkin about torture) but for the families, relatives or friends. Death is mostly seen as smth sad in the most cultures, so knowing someone you loved were beheaded is....

[@CP-ll6qg]

@@JK_Clark I think OP is worried by what that change might mean for/say about society at large more than actually being killed themselves

[@yennefer440]

Yeah it's awful

[@stephanginther9051]

Fun Fact. I watched an interview with a criminal psychologist who said something very interesting. He said that dangerous sociopaths are a really really small minority *among* sociopaths. He said that most sociopaths are completely harmless. They in fact, are usually the most law abiding, middle of the road people you'd ever meet. Neither lazy or hard working, normal to the point of abnormal if that makes sense. He said that dangerous sociopaths are usually ones that can feel some emotions that most can't. Like they don't feel guilt but do feel anger or jealousy.

[@floracrestanello]

Yes , they're usually people that do dangerous professions such as police officer or fireman . What makes a sociopath a killer is the upbringing, usually they're relationship with their mother and father

[@lizardog]

Sometimes they get elected POTUS like in 2016.

[@MR.Rexx101]

Sounds like me mum.💀

[@becauseiwasinverted5222]

To be fair if memory serves the medical definition of ASPD is indifference to causing harm, not actively pursuing it, which explains this. Though murder or not most do tend to leave a trail of misery behind them before they hone the facade enough to pass for normal and sociable.

[@asmith1711]

@@lizardog every leader of every poltical party in the world is a sociopath. They can't get to the top by having morals, or compassion or empathy. They are all the same, they only care about themselves, power, money and influence and how to hang on to it.

[@Monius13]

Cameron Britton's portrayal of Ed Kemper is the most chilling portrayal I've ever seen. Not just because of accuracy, but because of believability. The way he can so calmly describe what he did to his mother without too much anger and no pride is crazy. It just sounds so matter-of-fact. The way he touted being friends with cops and they actually didn't want to arrest him because they didn't believe him. But then at the same time, carrying on perfectly normal conversations! Quite perfectly blending in. It's terrifying that this person actually exists. Cameron deserves all the rewards for this portrayal. Gave me nightmares and even more trust issues.

[@terryhogan6205]

I WISH they had continued this series...Mind Hunter. It's was probably one of the best I've seen. I even rewatched it. Very well done.

[@madders8781]

@@terryhogan6205 Pretty sure they announced a new season coming up......possibility i dreamt this

[@rhys7877]

@@madders8781 lets hope it was a prophetic dream

[@smears6039]

@@terryhogan6205I don’t watch a lot of tv (short attention span) but I binge watched both seasons of mind hunter the day they came out, genuinely one of my favorite of all time. I’ve never been so devastated at a show cancellation before in my life 😫

[@oscars4608]

Honestly a crime that Mindhunter didn’t get a third* season. One of my favourite shows ever

[@Littlestraincloud]

His ending rant--absolute king. Enough sensationalizing serial killers, more protection for easy targets.

[@ulilleper]

U can't be a democrat in America and say your for protecting the weak when u want gun control

[@skitidet4302]

It's strange to see all the people in the comment section essentially celebrating victim blaming because it was framed slightly differently. But he is right, if we want to make serial killing harder to pull off, we need to start taking some responsibility for our own safety. It's not hard, do not get yourself in to situations where you are vulnerable, you don't have to be super paranoid, just don't be stupid and ask yourself if it's a good idea to put your trust in any person that you expose yourself to.

[@ulilleper]

@@skitidet4302 that's when the second amendment comes into play. Get a piece to protect yourself

[@Littlestraincloud]

@@skitidet4302 that is literally not what he said. He said there needs to be more societal protection for marginalized groups. If you can’t tell the difference between that and victim blaming then you need to check your ears.

[@skitidet4302]

@@Littlestraincloud I just read between the lines. Are you incapable of thinking about the implications of his cryptic and honeyed words? How would you protect victims? You can't assign a police officer to everyone of them, you could install cameras everywhere like we are doing but that is very dystopian and I don't trust our states with that kind of power. So ultimately, the way to make victims be protected is to make them protect themselves by taking responsibility for their own safety by putting the onus on them to not expose themselves to unnecessary risk and if they do the implication is that it is partly their fault if something happens and hence victim blaming.

[@kristinachaney7391]

I love how this man has dealt with the worst evil among us but he's nice and kind enough to warn of a spoiler alert for the movie Se7en

[@TheLostRub389]

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[@DeltaforceGaming01]

Among us

[@izshtar]

amogus

[@lps-emily]

among us

[@kokomi270]

Among us

[@hostiletoxictomdowneyburne6469]

Everyone: He's a monster! He's a psychopath! He's pure evil! He's a criminal mastermind! David Wilson: He's a loser.

[@josephchristianfuring8001]

*funny comment*

[@extrm161]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aniZlmeKlq-roas Is here him?⬆️

[@Naamturd101]

I think younger people and people who just don't think much into it agree with the Hollywood stereotype around serial killers, but folks who have a vested interest in true crime and that side of the world recognize that serial killers are genuinely socially inept losers whose only advantage in getting away with the crime is thinking they have the right to take another life.

[@lonnellwestbrooks2147]

It's funny because a lot of the time serial killer want to be viewed as these larger than life figures. But he's getting the last insult by calling them what they truly are "losers".

[@tatianavieiradesapires1327]

😏🎯👊🖤

[@joeycalderon1556]

Came for the serial killer talk, stayed for the poignant call to love, support, and protect our vulnerable citizens. Hear hear.

[@lucyhall5026]

absolutely love how he talked about the need to focus on the safety of populations who are most likely to be targeted by serial killers. those with the least protections are most vulnerable to this kind of murder

[@peaknonsense2041]

Texas did just that.

[@dozzer009]

@@peaknonsense2041 Yeah, the regressive party strikes again. It’s really unfortunate how Texas seems more worried about what’s in a woman’s uterus rather than protecting the citizenry of the state.

[@peaknonsense2041]

@@dozzer009 Woman's uterus? Men can get pregnant too. Try to keep up with the mental gymnastics your party requires.

[@lucyhall5026]

What a sad, horrible little person you are.

[@oblomurg]

@@lucyhall5026 Yes, all that danger PPD brings to our safe spaces. Not to mention the noise & BO. He is little and sad, but now he's lol at you.

[@elizabethmion4595]

"Many serial killers are beta males trying to be alphas. They are losers." Every serial killer out there: *And I took that personally*

[@m1lst3r89]

He is living his last days.

[@griheettandra5417]

@@m1lst3r89 like your mom

[@m1lst3r89]

@@griheettandra5417 do you have a problem?

[@sdgc8667]

Except there is no such thing as alpha or beta. humans or dogs or any animal.

[@m1lst3r89]

@@sdgc8667 well, I don't count simps and wimps as men.

[@Destino2493]

When he said serial killers are never extraordinary they’re just normal people it reminded me of the show Narcos when Murphy is finally standing over Escobars body “You spend so much time building him up in your head, but when you see him, the devil is a real let down”

[@lostandwastedtime]

Spoiler alert!

[@jacquelinelaface136]

@@lostandwastedtime I don't think you can call it a spoiler alert when it is a real event. That is like saying "Spoiler Alert" while watching Sully and seeing the plane land safely on the Hudson, or the execution of Anne Boleyn in The Tudors.

[@Survivor-ng4te]

What Escobar died! Please don’t tell me how “Titanic” ends!

[@igot5onit423]

It's kind of like when someone tells a story.. the story is always better than what actually happened

[@5Gazto]

They are not extraordinary, except that they kill for fun.

[@romedina2426]

I love that he took the task very seriously and while pointing out what the clips got wrong, he never trashed them, aftr all I think he understands is a tool to both entertain people and make them aware that danger is out there, cliches and all, this things serve a purpose: help society realize we have a problem. I would love to talk to this guy and here his stories

[@splunkmastah4609]

This man looks the entire internet in the face and says serial murderers are losers and betas. Legend.

[@msgreybird]

It’s smart. The uncaught ones might feel irritated enough so that they slip up so him and his colleagues can catch them haha

[@bryanfoutsthelunchboxx4008]

Beta. 😂

[@lxvideostuff7200]

this guy likes to press the "i win" button. beta is... better than alpha. one trait of the losers is, to call others losers.

[@the4tierbridge]

@@lxvideostuff7200 alpha and beta are the Greek Equivalents of A and B. Why is one better than the other.

[@lxvideostuff7200]

@@the4tierbridge development stages ;)

[@portalomus]

I love his last statement. 100% yes to challenging how our society "protects" those most vulnerable in our society.

[@jmodified]

I'm wondering why we don't have PSAs to help people be aware of and avoid online and telephone scams, especially during TV programs whose audiences skew older. Seems like it would be worth the effort and collectively take a lot of money out of the hands of criminals.

[@JustBreatheASMR]

@@jmodified good idea

[@Anna-fb6hl]

100%.

[@artorhen]

@lbarowski1 actually, those statistically don't make a lot of change when applied.

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

protect. not 'vote it into office and see what it can wreck' not 'let it invite all his mates for a party'

[@SirJustinTheLion]

Could we have a show just with this guy? He's absolutely captivating.

[@allisonconnor3310]

He's great isn't he? He's on many, many crime docs. Love him.

[@CherryLipgloss1000]

KZbin his name. He’s done loads of documentaries. One of Britain’s finest

[@mammon_is_god]

Emphasis on the "captive" part. I'm implying he's a serial killer.

[@bringmetheblackveilbrides7361]

@@mammon_is_god 🤨

[@solarnaut]

@@mammon_is_god "Takes One To Know One ! " I'm looking at you, Mammon ! B-)

[@alexharman9001]

Bateman wasn’t even an attempt to portray a plausible serial killer; he’s meant as a satire of the Manhattan financial elite, many of whom have “dark triad” personality types if not full-blown personality disorders.

[@merlebuck]

Indeed. The horror/crime aspects of the film and character are secondary to the satire. Having said that, Patrick Bateman is a really great depiction of a psychopath, only able to navigate through society by clinging tightly to his narrative about reality and also lacking any amount of empathy for others.

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

yes.. and how do you feel now that thing is going to live in the white house again?

[@anuna116]

The ending was great; we are often so obsessed with the killers themselves but we should be focusing on the systemic issues that affect a large number of the victims of the killers

[@tinabynum8786]

We do through the study of Victimology. This goes hand in hand with studying Criminology. He is only covering one side here purposefully.

[@afckingmess]

@@tinabynum8786 yes very important to note the difference between talking about serial killers and their action, and Romanticizing serial killers.

[@amberlance3221]

@@afckingmess I agree, there's so much money and time going towards fetishising murderers and serial killers, while little to no focus is paid to the victims.

[@ladosis5596]

Exactly! And only 1% of murders in the US are serial killer murders? There are a lot of more pressing issues regarding violent crime, fascinating or baffling as we may find serial murder.

[@Oddballkane]

Also as Denis Neilson said we only care about people after they are killed by a serial killer. Like the women jack the ripper killed.

[@mediocreman6323]

21:14 - “If somebody like [him] existed in real life, he wouldn't need to kill, because he's so powerful and in control anyway, he'd be running multinational corporations, he'd be running for president” - I am officially scared.

[@MrRizeAG]

There's a reason that a disproportionate amount of CEOs display some degree of sociopathy/psychopathy. Lacking empathy, and being a good actor, is the fastest way to power. You can't get rich by being moral, no matter how much we are told you can.

[@heyahowareyou5971]

You should be but it’s kinda too late

[@Pr0fessorScience]

People with genuine empathy simply don't do the things required in order to become or remain incredibly wealthy and/or powerful.

[@crusherven]

@@MrRizeAG I mean, define rich. I know a lot of people who are pretty wealthy who have held onto their soul. I don't think you become a Gates or a Bezos, but there's plenty of people making 6 figures who are small business owners, engineers, doctors, software devs, managers, etc.

[@RV-vx9ek]

@@crusherven Rich is beyond 6 figures. Actual wealth. No care or regard for anything. Small business owners, engineers, doctors, software devs, managers, etc... aint' it.

[@tara4637]

This guy concludes with compassion. He has a great deal of integrity.

[@GeorgiaGeorgette]

Perfectly put.

[@kelvincabrera4517]

I felt his compassion as well. We need people like him in law enforcement, schools, organized religions.

[@madiantin]

I liked that bit too.

[@breakingbadest9772]

A lot of psychopaths love to be high standing detectives and find the immoral people in the world. You never know.

[@dkdebest]

you just yapping and make no sense

[@hannahwade3300]

I'm so sad that Mindhunter didn't get another season 🖤 that was such a great show, and the cast brought it!!

[@kmlgraph]

Same. One my favourite crime shows, thanks to David Fincher, who had creative control (all episodes look like his films) and he directed a few. Biggest disappointment...they teased BTK killer in opening scenes of each episode, but with no Season 3 we don't get follow up on him.

[@punintended4754]

Could you suggest some other crime shows?

[@lifeisberserk9566]

​@@punintended4754True detective Season 1, Monster, Death Note, Hannibal, Dexter

[@punintended4754]

@@lifeisberserk9566 Great! Thank you!

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

the books are out there.. no one is stopping you.

[@catherineprentice860]

David's comment about seeing more 'overkill' during the pandemic is absolutely fascinating and something I'd like to see elaborated on in the future

[@user_2793]

More like scary

[@OrangeCat1992]

Yes, this was terrifying to hear, and I don’t know why more people aren’t talking about it.

[@rpm427sc]

@@OrangeCat1992 Its because you will get a gag order if you attempt to discuss the mental health issues of locking people in their homes while they watch helplessly as their businesses crumble, or believe everything the fear mongering media claims.

[@humanistwriting5477]

@@rpm427sc what are you talking about? Every news network that I and my groupe of very politically diverse friends watch have discussed the psychological effects of the lockdowns and crumbling econony.

[@rpm427sc]

@@humanistwriting5477 I was referring to social media policy. On KZbin if you questioned it you would have your video taken down/demonetized, or if you mentioned anything like that on other platforms, it would be tagged as misinformation have have the "fact check" link appear above your video title. Twitter would just outright delete your posts or ban you.

[@astolennova]

I enjoy this genre of video, but I was really impressed with Dr. Wilson's conclusion: I do not care about these killers, how do we better protect the people who are most often victimized?

[@yuibot5998]

Teach them how to protect themselves, that's how. It's quite simple, really. You can't rely on the police or government to protect you but for some reason that's too hard for many to realize.

[@queenmerla]

Really? That's the only part I hated. Yes let's make victims responsible for their own safety

[@astolennova]

@@queenmerla Goddammit that is a good point.

[@lucyairapetian407]

@@queenmerla I don’t think that what he meant. I understood it to be “how can we protect the most vulnerable members of our society”

[@MS-tn4ys]

@@queenmerla is that really how you interpreted that?

[@Chaos-co1iv]

This guy is great, he’s a lecturer at my university. His classes are so great and thought provoking.

[@hattiedesa39]

what uni?

[@Chaos-co1iv]

@@hattiedesa39 Birmingham City University in England. Any of the criminology courses he is a lecturer on.

[@susannehuber3996]

Amazing ❤ I would love to hear one.

[@lisaclark1181]

He's so handsome!

[@Izaiinaab]

@@Chaos-co1iv I'm thinking of taking my BA in UK but I don't know where exactly but now, thanks to you, I know exactly where I want to be next year, inshallah.

[@Buddahabrot]

I'm actually grateful that he ends with a plea to put more effort into protecting potential victims

[@dkroll92]

There's a documentary that interviews the guy who was stabbed by Zodiac at Lake Berryessa. He basically said the movie scene captures it exactly as it happened. Like word for word dialogue, everyone dressed just right, filmed in almost the exact spot. It's also amazing how well the guy turned out considering what happened to him.

[@samvodopianov9399]

Someone should question that director....

[@TheSwauzz]

That is honestly heartbreaking.. I always hope those scenes are dramatized. To learn it's pretty much detail for detail.. Gives me a terrible sense of dread.

[@julianmarx2002]

@@samvodopianov9399 David Fincher: same guy who made Se7en and Mindhunter.... uh ohhh...

[@extrm161]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aniZlmeKlq-roas Is here him?⬆️

[@Chuck_EL]

@@samvodopianov9399 the victim gave him the ok to film that part

[@JeffKelly03]

This guy is absolutely fascinating. Would love to see more with him.

[@yungjoemighty879]

i recommend all his bbc programmes

[@SkywalkerSamadhi]

He needs to do a part 2.

[@smolshie]

I was about to say the exact same thing. Would love to just sit and have a conversation with him, or basically just hearing him talk about true crime!

[@OctarineCode]

He looks way more younger than 64

[@bmxerqf882]

Watch any British made crime documentary and you've got about an 80% chance of him appearing

[@adavis5926]

I liked his point on No Country for Old Men, about how a psychopath this powerful wouldn't need to kill to get power, he'd be running corporations. Touché.

[@johnelstad]

In Jon Ronson's The Psycopath Test he mentioned that psychopathy in the U.S. population is about 1%, but estimated to be about 3% among executive leadership.

[@digitallocations1423]

@@johnelstad It's got to be higher than 1%.

[@PoorEdward]

As I’ve already commented and will again: No Country For Old Men isn’t trying to replicate a serial killer you donkey, if anything the embodiment of death and the surrogate of the movie’s ultimate meaning. While his character is more symbolic than nuanced and fairly unexplained, he shows potential to do whatever he chooses, yet he chooses to be death and abide by his law; I do not think his psyche should be analyzed, but rather what he represents. Sidenote, chigurh has an unwavering philosophy/set of principles to him that he even respects to a fault shown near the end of the film; the natural world’s game of chance in a godless and amoral lack of karma.

[@adavis5926]

@@PoorEdward , donkey? Seriously? You might try improving your reading skills before name-calling. I'm merely commenting on his point about psychopaths, not the movie.

[@vinceemery5943]

@@PoorEdward Wow you watched some KZbin videos analysing a movie serial killer. Now you can go around insulting people because you are smarter than them. Very cool

[@molh394]

Anyone read The Sandman comic series by Neil Gaiman? The title character deals with a serial killer convention by condemning them always, to know just how much of a loser each and every one of them - taking away their dreams and delusions of them being special people, or supermen, or the like. This video really reminded me of that.

[@Cosmosopher]

Excellent read! Gaiman showed what these guys are really made of. The Corinthian, of course, was in another level.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

It's amazing how much knowledge he attained over the years with face to face encounters with actual killers

[@twistedhermit2839]

This guy again... Truly omnipresent in KZbin commentary sections..

[@thegamersway1835]

@@twistedhermit2839 true

[@epitaph3175]

Here he is

[@dawsonlenard2848]

The new Justin Y

[@groverjuicy]

Its amazing how experienced carpenters know about carpentry. Great observation mate.

[@sabrinat.d.6240]

Very satisfying to see him call out Riverdale on the ridiculous story

[@marinadeburgos8666]

They could have shown any other clip of Riverdale and still would be seen as ridiculous

[@kats.5958]

@@marinadeburgos8666 forreal

[@ChuckieWan]

@@marinadeburgos8666 P

[@jdice6868]

So I shouldn't add Riverdale to my watch list then? Didn't really plan to, but good to know. Skipped "Ma" though. Haven't seen it yet.

[@cau1471]

@@jdice6868 the first season is the only not wildly ridiculous season tbh. Its not good, but I went into it stoned and it was fun lol. Wouldn't rewatch it sober tho tbh

[@errhka]

"I now encounter overkill and mutilation all the time" - people never think about the fact that all this goes on right under our noses as we live our normal lives. Creepy

[@drdrdrk]

Had the same thought. There are only so many famous serial killers so it seems like a rather rare thing. It’s not.

[@carlalacat]

It is scary. Glad I’m not the only one that noticed this comment. It definitely makes me a bit more scared of incells, police, and crazy political/religious people that take it too far

[@juliac3933]

@@drdrdrk less than 1% of murders are serial killers

[@amp4105]

@@drdrdrk Thats because we dont put serial killers on the news and in the newspaper nowadays as it incentivises them so we dont really know anymore

[@pennyinheaven]

Great. The pandemic is really messing up people, making the already bad to worse.

[@DocsChannel]

Fava Beans and a Chianti is actually an interesting joke and he really was playing with Clarice, those are foods you can't have while taking the medication he was on.

[@LloydWaldo]

I love that you've given him a platform to talk about the true issues that face our cultures. Namely: not "understanding" serial killers, but rather how we treat and help those people who are vulnerable to attack because they lack power.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

The remark he made about encountering more “overkill” murders since the pandemic started is so sad.

[@spookymadeleine]

that entirely sent a chill down my spine. i think we sort of disassociate serial murder with a different era but theyre occurring within this time.

[@katesay1559]

I was very curious about the reason though. I thought he was going to explain the link between high rate of overkill crimes and the pandemic, but he didn't and now I'm wondering

[@2degucitas]

@@katesay1559 I'm no expert, but perhaps the group frustration of being couped up heightens the killer's emotions? They are agitated because we are. Also, their "prey" is hiding and out of reach, increasing frustration.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

@@katesay1559 I was hoping he’d elaborate on it as well. I guess it’s just not part of his job to speculate on that sort of thing.

[@joanbrennan2534]

@Bubbles huh 🤔?

[@Googledybunker]

This guy should breakdown a bunch of Criminal Minds episodes

[@stocktonjoans]

or Dexter, he could compare Dex' to the killers he kills

[@saiquatabassum6321]

That's the first thing I thought

[@EffieLove7]

I came in the comments section to say the exact same thing.

[@deaaqua86]

Or the guy who created the BAU!

[@doctorthirteen5727]

Tons of them are based on real cases/killers.

[@VitaA007]

The casual way he is actually empathetic, accepting, compassionate, and more intersectional than 99% of law enforcement officers 😭

[@travelwelltraveled]

Your word salad spilled all over your keyboard.

[@MrRevertis]

@@travelwelltraveled Nah, you just didn't like some of the words.

[@cnadeau71]

@@MrRevertis or didn't understand them.

[@FrancoJules]

"intersectional" aaaand worthless opinion disregarded. :)

[@GrumpyLoco6]

@@FrancoJules Just because you think it sounds tacky doesn't make it worthless.

[@csvega]

Netflix really screwed up by canceling Mindhunter. Absolutely stellar show

[@deaddumplings5565]

Honestly was such a good show

[@airplane8677]

truly, so many loose ends i wish they could just tie up with a s3 :/

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

The problem with a show like Mindhunter was that it was really giving the caught serial killers exactly what they wanted, an acknowledgement of their crimes and a chance to relive them listening to someone else describe them. Imagine the rich fantasy life the show was giving to other serial killers that had not been caught yet. "Someday they will have someone portray me and my kills on TV. I should step up my game to make sure they notice me." Now, I am not saying that this is the reason the show was pulled, but it does raise an interesting Moral issue for making that type of show.

[@csvega]

@@Jay-ate-a-bug it wasn't about serial killers. It was about the formation of the section of the FBI that hunted them. You missed the point of the show entirely

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

@@csvega I didn't miss the point, I know what the show was about and it very much also showed serial killers and told their stories. To the Killers its a win for them.

[@IceQeen1011]

'Serial killers are usually just losers" ...yeah that's a summary I'm ok with.

[@stefvanbust552]

That makes all their victim even bigger losers because they got owned by a loser... Are you also ok with that?

[@IceQeen1011]

​@@stefvanbust552go pick a fight with someone else kid

[@IceQeen1011]

@@stefvanbust552 fyi his point was that they are losers which is why they behave this way, to exert power. Are you offended that he called serial killers losers bro? Are you a serial killer or a serial killer groupie? gross

[@stefvanbust552]

@@IceQeen1011 No, im not offended by his point. It's just cringe that people like you cope with it. Like you feel less of a loser because you haven't killed anyone yet?

[@IceQeen1011]

@@stefvanbust552this is illogical. Comeback when you have a decent argument to make. Gotta say it is quite entertaining listening to someone get triggered over my comment. :'D

[@chiara6612]

Absolutely loved this. Not only it's a very interesting topic, but this man is so charismatic, intelligent and well spoken.

[@oppothumbs1]

Excellent stuff. Of course he commented on some of the best serial killer movies and tv shows. The Dexter analysis is a little bloated. There is a moral hierarchy and who knows if Dexter kills for this reason but he certainly tries to only kill very bad people who have slipped through the cracks of the system, for the most part. He loved his wife and kids as much as most husbands do. Just likeable in many ways, not that anyone or serial killer in the world is a Dexter though many out there try to kill for good purpose, like crazy religions, countries still do, and are not as good as Dexter is.

[@anusree2632]

@@oppothumbs1 many serial killers have loved their wives and children, there is no moral hierarchy if you’re choosing immoral activities to prove a point. Of course as a viewer I enjoyed watching him kill those gross killers ,but what he said stands correct

[@oppothumbs1]

Copycat was really underrated though maybe a little silly at moments. Mindhunter is fascinating and hoping for more on Netflix.

[@totodilehash4695]

I'd love to have a joint with him imagine the convos

[@totodilehash4695]

@Ğ Å Đ why do you feel this way out of interest ?

[@adambazso9207]

A very positive and thoughtful interview, with important perspectives at the very end. I have got much more out of this interview than just a "reaction" to movie scenes. It was much deeper and very-very detailed, pure joy.

[@knittingandnails]

I love what he said at the end about addressing social issues and protecting by the vulnerable as a way to reduce not just serial murder, but all murder in our culture 👏🏼 👏🏼 Such a good point.

[@juttamaier2111]

Ot just protecting them but asking why it happened that the elderly in our society have become vulnerable to such crimes.

[@juttamaier2111]

Indeed, since I heard that, I check up on my elderly and foolish parents more often...

[@ria7470]

We needed a PHD Criminologist to tell us that Riverdale is complete nonsense.

[@deaddumplings5565]

Ikr🥲

[@HarptoHeart69]

People need to get over the Riverdale part, what they need to say is how badly the show ended and the last season was garbage. It should have ended after their high school prom, instead of bringing them back like 5-7 years later. After that, they lost me. It's like Supernatural, I absolutely loved the show (way more then Riverdale, obviously) but should have ended after Season 5. Just saying, also, keep on rocking!

[@morganrhodes159]

Do we really tho 😂

[@levernis5753]

😂😂

[@solidsnake9898]

I don’t think a PHD is needed for that though…

[@magsguerra]

“This idea is just complete nonsense.” I’m pretty sure this statement can be applied to every episode of Riverdale. At least the writers are consistent, I guess.

[@madisynskywalker4308]

😂literally

[@ttylxoxo1929]

It’s the only thing they had, consistency. Then they came out with season 5…

[@anusree2632]

😂😂😂

[@lordofentropy]

Probably fair to say it applies to every episode of any CW show.

[@UnleashthePhury]

@@lordofentropy makes you miss Smallville and Angel…

[@The_Deltuckians]

I stumbled upon this and it was fascinating! I could listen to Mr. Wilson for hours. He immediately had me hooked. Great video!

[@maayaamatera1315]

The end message about the fight we ACTUALLY have to fight is everything. THANK YOU.

[@Smooshiegirl2]

ABSOLUTELY!!! This was the most insightful thing about the entire video and I agree wholeheartedly.

[@oggyboggy8692]

Legalise prostitution in the United States. How is one of the most dangerous jobs in the entire world supposed to become safer if the people working can't even report violence they've experienced?

[@maayaamatera1315]

@@oggyboggy8692 This sums it up perfectly

[@mavv0589]

His message at the end was actually one narrow perspective of criminology, and it is likely the most popular and easy to understand. I would’ve thought a professional would at least have the decency to declare that he was promoting just one theory of crime as he did it but apparently not. Never mind the hard works thousands of academics worldwide have put into learning different perspectives of crime and deviance

[@oggyboggy8692]

@@mavv0589 I'm sure you're an academic.

[@catiatome8759]

As a criminologist myself I just have to say how lovely it was to hear him speak. Truly delightful, thank you for this!

[@lampylightbulb]

I was actually contemplating being a criminologist, but university is heccin expensive.

[@dareal5401]

@@lampylightbulb are you american?

[@tatianavieiradesapires1327]

🖤👊

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

@Ayman Mohamed lol

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

@@lampylightbulb Just go murder someone. Nothing beats first hand education

[@jakep290]

This guy needs his own show or something, don’t care what it is just get him in front of a camera and keep him talking. He is absolutely built for stardom with that voice, mannerisms, and personality. I’d watch anything with this guy in it, he’s truly captivating.

[@megbro10]

@🕷a straight white man🕸 ??

[@Miss_Distress]

Someone in the comments said he has a series on Amazon prime. I haven’t looked into it yet

[@csvega]

Amazon: Crime Files with David Wilson

[@Miss_Distress]

@@csvega Thank you!

[@NickyRedman]

Just search his name there’s loads ☺️

[@ChubbyUnicorn]

This was a great interview. Reasonable, educational, and i learned actionable steps that might improve a societal issue.

[@ember6814]

This man is a legend. Such an educational video. Glad to finally see a professional speak about this highly misportrayed and sadly fetishized topic

[@GeorgiaGeorgette]

Spot on.

[@blueschild61]

Red wine and some beans are foods you can not eat while on certain anti-psychotics. So when Hannibal said "Fava beans and a nice chianti." What he is really saying is "I'm off my meds."

[@tfgrrl2042]

Beans?! Uh who told you that? Alcohol is certainly not recommended, but I've never had a shrink or pharmacist say don't eat beans while you're taking that Risperdal

[@la.uralox]

@@tfgrrl2042 it’s to do with being high in vitamin A

[@tfgrrl2042]

@caramel101010 beans? Not really. An entire cup of black-eyed peas only give 7% of your DV for Vit A. A cup of mango has 10%.

[@la.uralox]

@@tfgrrl2042 i looked it up to be sure “Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) could have been used to treat him, and what are the three things you're not allowed to eat while taking them? Liver, beans and wine. As a psychiatrist, Lecter would have known this, so as well as making Clarice uncomfortable he was cracking a joke for his own amusement and hinting that he hasn't been taking his meds.”

[@thepapschmearmd]

⁠@@la.uraloxI don’t think that’s likely. I’m an OBGYN, not a psychiatrist, but severe ASPD with aggressive behavior is treated first line with antipsychotics, and the second line is another antipsychotic. SSRIs are also sometimes used. An MAO inhibitor is not an antipsychotic. It maaay be used to treat comorbid anxiety but it’s not even the first or second line treatment for that. Grapefruit can increase the levels of some antipsychotics, and alcohol can compound CNS depression with antipsychotics, but there’s nothing about fava beans with antipsychotics.

[@lillith8444]

David Wilson, you are an absolute legend. This dude just sat there, looked at these psychopaths and called them virgin losers. I love him

[@thedudewhoeatspianos]

​@Walterwhiteww2no, they wouldn't. They're weak losers who target vulnerable people, not criminologists.

[@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq]

no wonder that so often serial killer s newer get caught

[@spinblackcircles]

They are definitely losers but usually not virgins for….reasons

[@danielgreen6302]

I have reviewed this a couple of times to catch it, but he never says virgins. In fact several of them have been married, he only says "simply a loser"....

[@lillith8444]

@@danielgreen6302 joke /jōk/ noun noun: joke; plural noun: jokes a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline. "she was in a mood to tell jokes"

[@pezboy715]

17:13 "They will often have a background in law enforcement." *sips tea aggressively*

[@ferretvenom6979]

I don't want more of him talking about tv and movies, I want to see this guy talking about his life and career. He seems so interesting

[@Jroseuk91]

He has two books you can buy!

[@abdullahbhinder9023]

TV and movies are more interesting than life

[@bravosix8166]

@@abdullahbhinder9023 I beg to differ... Art imitates life.. And fact is usually stranger than fiction

[@KD-ou2np]

@@abdullahbhinder9023 what a dull view

[@pierrotpierrot4768]

i keep coming back to this interview because i like his perspectives so much. this is a man who does not glorify, in fact, he vilifies serial killers. he, thru his own experiences, understands that these group of narcissistic people feed off the curious attention given to them - and he wants no part in it. instead, he focuses on telling the audience how pathetic these serial killers really are AND to focus on the really important thing, the easy targets who are considered "low capital" socially and how we should improve this issue instead of giving all our attention on the people killing them.

[@GeorgiaGeorgette]

Absolutely agreed.

[@Soymilkcakes]

Yesss👏🏻

[@roxanne4820]

18:46 I love that he noted this. Bale's performance as Bateman was so brilliant, you can clearly see and hear the difference in his recollection of murdering prostitutes, homeless, other women which is distressed and anxious, and his recollection of killing Paul Allen, which is self-assured, confident, and even boastful. He really didn't regret killing Paul (if he even did kill him)

[@barnesrm76]

I had dinner with Paul Allen twice in London ten days ago

[@novascotianinfj]

6:05 "Everybody who takes another person's life is.....immoral" I disagree. Self defense, for example, is quite moral.

[@tvs5941]

Sure, but that is not what he meant

[@laisnascimento9559]

It's terrifying to think that quite a lot of people in huge power positions may very well be psychopaths... I know that psychopathy by itself isn't evil, but it gives me the chills

[@Seeker4you2]

They’re everywhere.

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

i have known several and they always are skirting the edge. It is the implicit hypocrisy that sets the stage for evil. Seems to be more and more common lately, but the reaction against it is there too.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

You don't get to amass power and fortune by being a kind soul, I'm afraid

[@RuleGhost]

You should check out the book "the wisdom of psychopaths". Gives great insight as to why some of those traits are actually beneficial to society

[@squamish4244]

​@@letsRegulateSociopaths Psychopaty more common? People don't genetically change in a generation or even many generations. The ubiquitous nature of warfare in the past probably created way more psychopaths. The consequences of psychopathy in the corporate world ARE getting a lot more attention after the 2008 crash, however.

[@MarianaYumiYamaga]

this video proves that people can say very interesting, intelligent things about serial killers without glamorizing them!

[@foolslayer9416]

Serial killers shouldn't be glamorized. They're monsters, not human. In my opinion, serial killers and mass murderers should be reduced to nothing but numbers.

[@Inkpinkierosie]

@@foolslayer9416 exactly look at the people the demographic of people glamorizing even peters playing Jeffrey Dahmer is disgusting because he purposely targeted minorities people are fvcking gross. I have seen people make videos on why they sympathize with Jeffrey Dahmer to a certain extent maybe but people are really sick and make me angry who sympathizes with a serial killer I don’t care about their past at that point I don’t care if they can’t help it if it’s something mentally wrong with them

[@beepboop5491]

I don’t think many movies glamourise them.. They end up caught or dead in the end, it shows you how they may think and behave- what to look out for. You still have to make it interesting enough for people to pay attention… So I can understand how it can look like romanticising and such.

[@chasejackson5936]

22

[@owenbloomfield1177]

His last statement about the elderly is spot on. Here in Ontario a nurse was killing seniors in long term care homes. She did this for years because everyone thought they died of old age.

[@nathanlewis5682]

He should do a spot on Andrew Cuomo sending infected people into nursing homes for elderly people to kill them.

[@PiousSlayer]

Around 7:12 - "A significant amount of Healthcare workers have been serial killers." I think so many people just glossed over that. Edit: changed timestamp

[@deusvultpictures6550]

Harold Shipman, Beverley Allitt, Colin Norris just to name a few

[@totally_a_spy]

There have been a couple nurses in hospitals I've heard off who purposely gave wring medicine to kill patients. In the last 10 years. Scary how I never associated them with serial killers but they are.

[@millsykooksy4863]

That’s so sad

[@Scutt_le]

The scene in Zodiac was actually based on Brian Hartnell’s own testimony of what happened,as they were held captive by the Zodiac for nearly half an hour before he stabbed either of them,hence why we know so much about what he looked like in that particular case

[@victorunbea8451]

The scariest thing about Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal is the fact that he never blinks. Try staring at someone like that for more than a 4-5 seconds and you will see them squirm if not get all out defensive.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Stare at them like that for a few seconds and see how fast they turn around to look at you...

[@qwandary]

It's weird to me how often people blink in the first place. I blink about 2x a minute on average but for most people it's 15-20x a minute! I feel like my vision would constantly be adjusting if I blinked so often XD

[@hoibsh21]

Plus he will eat yr brain if he gets hangry.

[@DanceySteveYNWA]

Maybe you should stop staring at people and counting their blink ratios. Creep

[@qwandary]

@@DanceySteveYNWA lmao I'm not counting their blinks silly. I knew I didn't blink often as people kinda commented on it. So I decided to look up if there was an average, and if my decreased blinking might be explained by my autism. Turns out most people on average blink 20x more than I do, and that yes, it can be related to autism. I just have very efficient eyes for a staring contest, I don't use it for evil (like counting blinks without consent). :P

[@o0Avalon0o]

This is the kind of intelligent speakers we should be listening to, not the people glorifying murderers. His poignant conclusion shines a light on ways we can make positive change.

[@mavv0589]

The fact that this video exists is glorifying murders. Good lord, would you have clicked if he was analysing white collar crime or environmental crime.

[@elijahlupe]

@@mavv0589 Yes, yes i would absolutely click on those videos

[@mavv0589]

@@elijahlupe even if you would, the masses wouldn’t. Vanity Fair would never make that video

[@clubeyxander5132]

@@mavv0589 So, true. But on the other hand, if videos on white collar crimes or environmental crimes were made more intriguing, more people might find them interesting. Nevertheless, in the meantime, what you say is so, so true.

[@googlefashists4986]

It was stupid. As dumb as saying dont murder people.

[@scotch4890]

9:40 The sometimes specious nature of criminology is very accurately depicted here in my opinion. Perfect example is the green river killer who left fish and wine at one scene because “he had it in the truck and he thought it was funny” and the profilers then spent countless man hours theorizing about possible religious notions or symbolism.

[@fish_and-chips]

That actually is pretty funny.

[@Homesicktraveler]

​@@fish_and-chipsagreed. An awful guy, but that is funny-

[@CrowCereal]

well it's a little bad but it's pretty funny especially when it wastes people's time

[@modeus_edits.]

It reminds me of when an author just puts smth there in a book just bc and the English teacher makes u analyse smth that isn't there LOL-

[@ferguson8143]

Yeah he even would pick up cigarette butts and leave them at the crime scene too

[@BetaMale717]

You know what's funny is the amount of serial killers who could be in this chat or sociopaths or psychopath

[@christineshipton6942]

PLEASE have him back again, could listen to him talk for hours!

[@Stay___Strong]

Anthony Hopkin’s character in Silence of the Lambs could have been talking about cake and ice cream, and I would have pissed myself.

[@averagejuicer3913]

Stay strong mate

[@emilymclaughlin4599]

^ after seeing their username -so sweet :3

[@hellalive8973]

Just be polite and courteous and you may survive your conversation about cake and ice cream

[@Ebolacrash]

and yet one of the most realistic killer in that film is buffalo bill ..didnt say a dam thing about it

[@TRIBBSTER2015]

You cant eat liver, beans or wine while taking MAOIs so he's basically saying hes not on his meds

[@mr.a8315]

The series 'Mindhunter' is probably the best show I've seen in past 10 years, it's a must see if you like this genre. It's by David Fincher and is co-written by legendary, retired FBI agent John E. Douglas (he hunted serial killers, caught many).

[@Lee-qu4ce]

Absolutely amazing, well written show. We need it to be completed but David Fincher is too busy 😒

[@enzobuso5933]

I love how you can see he hasn't watched the show. All his critism is literally what the show is against 🤣 "How do we get ahead of crazy if we don't know how crazy thinks?"

[@rauliglesias9848]

Thank you for saying this!!!!

[@lisaporter-smith676]

John’s books are amazing. Give them a read if you’re pining fore more mindhunter!

[@savanahdahlsten3149]

John Douglas is a fantastic author as well

[@FreddyRaphael-d5q]

This guy concludes with compassion. He has a great deal of integrity.. This guy concludes with compassion. He has a great deal of integrity..

[@eddiew2325]

I’m screaming riverdale everywhere I go

[@buttersoft7659]

please make it three times

[@Shadow1Yaz]

The suggestions about how to reduce serial murder was good. We do need to have a grown up talk about those topics.

[@salparadies4679]

Absolutely!!

[@Mant111]

That homophobia thing kinda came out of nowhere though.

[@Wiley97]

@@Mant111 Maybe theyre targeted more? I dont know what else it could be

[@helix5779]

@@Mant111 40% are pedophiles

[@pawa303]

@@helix5779 Source?

[@Neutral_Tired]

00:30 the fava beans line is actually pretty in character for Lecter. All of those foods are high in vitamin A which would clash with his medication. It's Lecter, always believing himself the smartest in the room, dropping hints that he's not on his meds because he knows nobody is smart enough to get it. He's mocking them.

[@ploobusdongle4842]

yeah i felt like maybe he missed the nuance of that line!! of course the delivery would be funny to hear in person but lecter would be a creepy guy to be around with how calculating he is!😅

[@calebdixon784]

But what if nobody cared smart enough to sit in a cell I don’t understands and I’m diagnosed aspd

[@danitho]

​@@ploobusdongle4842 I don't think he missed the nuance, it simply isn't realistic. Most serial killers don't operate that way.

[@maggieoneal3271]

also, Clarice is an FBI trainee and Lecter knows that, so it's more plausible it would scare her and not someone like this or Jack Crawford, to stay in-universe.

[@unicornL]

Oh wow! That's interesting

[@psions555]

Hannibal's line of "I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice chianti" is because those are all things you must avoid if taking any MAOI antidepressant medication, he knows that and it's just another show of his deep knowledge of psychiatry

[@meganburson1512]

Exactly! to me that was PERFECT. He was making a joke....and he didn't laugh....even though he obviously thought it was funny AF. Pure psychopath. 😆

[@marissa6485]

Mind blown

[@petrosinella]

That's very interesting! I had no idea. I should have paid more attention in pharmacology. 👀

[@MichaelMyers87]

That's interesting, never realized that.

[@antoniolittera2154]

I always thought of it as a joke, or a test of her medical knowledge.

[@Fee212]

That was really wonderful. To hear such a clever and experienced person speak with such knowledge and experience was a rare treat. I could have listened to Prof Wilson all night. Thank you, Vanity Fair. 👌

[@mightywelsh2787]

Anyone else get the chills when he said that overkill is becoming more common?

[@dioltlw3144]

Yes! I wanted to know more about that

[@JoRiver11]

Yes, we need a part 2! With a discussion about what is happening right now, and the theories!

[@linnj.700]

I wonder if it's because the pandemic added to the feelings of being powerless/without control for these individuals. Would love to hear a more elaborate analysis about that.

[@naelberg7356]

@Max Powers Yes, and during the pandemic (which I presume COVID pandemic)

[@Minotaur-ey2lg]

@@linnj.700 I would argue many of us are feeling frustrated, even serial murderers. As such, due to their specific mentality, it manifests in more extreme violent behavior.

[@Mr-E.]

During the Copycat movie segment, he mentions that he has had to have security at public speaking engagements because of all the bizarre things that happen in the audience. I wish he elaborated more on that! Sounds really interesting

[@37thraven]

Cant say about David's audience specifically@Morahman7vnNo2 But you get a very specific kind of heckler at psychology lectures, and it's nothing like comedy show hecklers. I've only seen it a few times, but because you're given opportunities to ask questions, usually its someone who is either a little crazy with outlandish pseudoscience theories, or someone who has a specific obsession with the speaker, and attends to try to have a 1 on 1 in public, hogging the limelight for far too long, trying to and 'show them up'. It's very uncomfortable and confusing in the moment. The first time I encountered it, I actually left mid-talk, because the interrupter gave off a jumpy, menacing vibe, and I was 2 seats away... But I doubt there's anyone like the creep in "Copycat" doing the throat slit gesture - it's so cartoonish, I doubt anyone at David's talks would be that obvious.

[@guillermosemorile8563]

Hopefully Netflix thinks so too!

[@attiylanen]

Yes, absolutely. He could have given at least one example.

[@mr.e.838]

Ah. Mr. E . We meet again.

[@cholec9230]

boost!

[@hannahw90hw]

You're so right. There's no benefit to thinking like a murderer. Instead they should focus on protecting the easiest targets in society.

[@waltercomunello121]

moreover, if you insist to think like them, you are more likely to become one.

[@ChristianAuditore14]

Protecting how? Lmao

[@JoRiver11]

The US lives in greater fear of Socialism and creating a healthy society than they do of monsters.

[@Sims4T]

Murderers are disturbed people

[@lewistaylor2858]

@@JoRiver11 socialism creates an unhealthy society and it also creates monsters.

[@thequietestlilbucket8402]

That ending comment he made on how to actually protect people who would be the most likely victims was the best note to leave this video on.

[@danieldoesdumbstuff]

Here's the thing about the movie Zodiac. The story is absolutely chilling because you realize that the killer is not special at all. He's just another person.

[@Chuck_EL]

the victim in that scene said the movie got him spot on and how he acted

[@kathryn-yd7bh]

I like that they made a film of the zodiac killer and the real killer hasn't even been caught

[@please-lookatmysearchhistory]

The worst part is it's probably Paul Doerr who died in 2007, a book was written on him as the most likely and compelling suspect, however no one is looking into it and I doubt they ever really will bother to now. But it is admittingly compelling Fincher made the film while many speculated he could have been among us. @@kathryn-yd7bh​

[@janegrey9978]

@@Chuck_ELThey filmed it where it happened with his input.

[@ainovuorenmaa9786]

@@janegrey9978Damn really! Thats crazy. I truly hope we get to know who the Zodiac killer was.

[@nicholasdavis5393]

I remember watching Mindhunter and the scenes with Ed Kemper. That is one of the few characters in film and TV that genuinely freaked my out. He just has a calm yet terrifying presence. I was spooked by seven, but only by the acts themselves. Massive props to the actor that played Kemper in Mindhunter, he is fantastic.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

That was fascinating and scary how he pointed out that javier bardem's character is unrealistic for the simple fact, he would be a CEO as he'd get more kicks out if that than murder.

[@thebestcheese4940]

Had me rethinking presidential candidates as whole tbh

[@kiann1596]

@Heloise O'Byrne exactly

[@1SpicyMeataball]

Why are we more afraid of the man in power of a corporation, than the one who outright kills. 🤔

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@1SpicyMeataball did you mean to write why *aren't* we more afraid of the person in power and the answer is because their effect on the planet is less visible and easier to hand wave off.

[@igot5onit423]

I bet at least a quarter of the billionaires on the planet have psychopathic tendencies

[@avlinrbdig5715]

Thank you for this video. Makes me understand some people in my life better.

[@Ariel-uj3kk]

When he said he he encounters over kill and mutalation regularly that was creepy AF. You forget true crime isn’t just on a Podcast, but in actuality people endure horrific deaths by the hands of very sick people

[@breakfastattiffanys741]

Another thing, people watch crime podcasts of ''past evil people'' and think this would not happen in modern time. It's pure entertainment or fascination but psychopaths or potentials will exist in every age and do!!

[@stwuabewies]

Yeah where are the stories about the cartel sicarios that get off on mutilating people on the daily

[@scully139]

i swear mindhunter is the best show i've ever seen. So hoping they're able to bring it back

[@mistym0rning]

Was thinking the same!! I still hope it’ll get another season on Netflix!

[@brett444]

Supposedly it's back on as of a couple weeks ago but probably won't be til 2022 or 2023. It's the best show of all time on netflix. Fincher is a beast

[@pickybitch2707]

I agree it’s amazing

[@pissfather6798]

its confirmed theyre working on a new season i just dont know when its out

[@scully139]

@@pissfather6798 really?! Best news Ive heard all week

[@dedegdy]

As a criminologist myself I was curious to see this video. I don't tend to leave any comments on KZbin but this is the BEST video on VF channel. David Wilson is a true rhetor and we need more videos with him!

[@joeb1den114]

Would you shut up? Wannabe. Smh.

[@JacobC479]

“They’re usually losers” is exactly what I’ve thought the Zodiac was like. An overweight, less than attractive, single guy who worked a normal job and felt slighted by the world so he thought he would show them just how powerful he is.

[@damshek]

"If someone like Anton Chigurh existed, he wouldn't need to kill people in gas stations to get his kicks; a guy so powerful and so in control would be running multinational corporations or running for president" - Sure, let's just casually mention that modern civilization is literally run by psychopaths before moving to discuss an episode of "Riverdale", shall we

[@oleksijm]

Civilization in general. It has always been like that.

[@kkandsims4612]

I mean he legit just said people like gates ,zuckerburg,bezzos Probably half our political parties in every country .

[@leahunfeigned5955]

Corporate psychopathy is surprisingly common. Many psychopaths are drawn to jobs of power. Including politics, top doctors and policemen. A girl in my psychology class did her project on that topic. It was quite eye-opening.

[@deletiontrap]

Love or hate Wilson. He's just spitting straight facts.

[@Jayzgrouse]

It takes a psychopath to do the things necessary to get to those points most of the time

[@lukewarmfruitcup7377]

He’s totally right though. Learning as much as one can to “get into the mind” of a serial killer only goes so far, sure you might have a better chance of catching one, but learning about how to protect those who are often victimized by serial killers is preventative rather than a reactive strategy.

[@mrsmarketing]

You know you've watched way too many serial killer documentaries when you start recognizing the experts that they interview for them lol. I always love hearing David's take on murderers.

[@judegunn1]

An enlightening and compassionate presentation. There is so much value in not indulging in the ghoulish and instead, offering up a very human solution.

[@thomniced]

I've heard others say "no country for old men" is the most realistic psychopath. Ed Kemper scares me more than almost all others. Physically because he is 6'9". But, he was also friends with cops and blended in perfectly. Most blend in, it's true, obviously, but not necessarily with the police that were searching for them. But mostly because he's 6'9". He could do whatever he physically wanted to, to 99% of the population. Shaq might give him a struggle, but that's about it.

[@ferox965]

Kemper was also very intelligent.

[@annab306]

​@@ferox965still is I guess. He's alive what i know.

[@Mrs.Frankenstein]

Kemper was very interesting, just like Dahmer to me. Dahmer was so normal it was horrifying.

[@Arcessitor]

He was also much more normal than they made him in Mindhunter. They kind of make him sound like an autistic dweeb in the show but in real life he speaks pretty normally, though very matter-of-factly.

[@Dr.Thirteen-bb1ub]

Ridiculous. He targeted people he viewed as weaker no differently than any other killer. Why did he only target women? Plenty of men could physically give him a fight regardless of his height.

[@manaayek8091]

I could listen to this guy diss serial killers all day. The man has charisma.

[@womanonabicycle]

Sooooooo interesting. The way he categorises them 'process and act driven' the way he describes those who think they're on a moral crusade, 'on a parallel moral universe'. The way he speaks about the 'seductive' nature of some of them. The way he gives validity to aspects of some scenes. So knowledgeable. I was sad to hear 'overkill' has worsened since the pandemic 😔

[@tiabon-ita]

This is very insightful and engaging. His knowledge and expertise is very evident. I wasn't ready for it to end. Well done!