Crimewatch April 1987

Sue Cook and Nick Ross present. JUST TO WARN YOU THE FIRST CASE IS PROBABLY THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN ON CRIMEWATCH. Cases include a nasty robbery on a gun shop in Hinckley, Leicestershire, stolen Caffieri paintings and the murder of private detective Daniel Morgan in London.

[@Scott1433]

setting a person on fire who is already tied up, they should have been given whole life tariffs for that. They are now living amongst us, we probably walk past them in the supermarket. Imagine someone in your family did something like that, I couldn't have anything to do with them again, I don't care how many years have gone by

[@RicGillespie]

Yeah, these guys are the perfect example of why the concept of unconditional love is ridiculous.

[@MM0SDK]

RIP Alan Bray (gun shop owner and Olympic sports shooter) . Passed away peacefully 2 years ago this month - age 87. The raiders were not hardened criminals but young lads with no previous convictions, sentenced to 20 years and probably out now). They got caught when one of the perpetrators was spotted by a Hotel owner in Edinburgh when he tried to book a room with his girlfriend.

[@vanillasnow4084]

Mark Bartlett Aw RIP i’m glad he didn’t die because of them 2 cunt’s what a pair of evil bastards hopefully they rot in hell ... i get people make stupid choices and the 80s was a horrible time to live but they could of just robbed him that was too evil what they did

[@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt]

Sp sad RIP Xxx

[@matinhewing1]

They should have been given natural life sentences...probably one of the most horrible crimes ever featured...

[@georgeminnit7645]

Kate McDevitt It Very Sad Poor alan Should Not have Got Robbed

[@Kill--alllll---IDF]

Poor man .. bastsrds will be out now after ther baby sentence. In America they'de never get out life means life

[@swiftlydoesit8480]

These uploads are so fascinating! Can’t get enough of them!

[@zeddeka]

Daniel Morgan's family were furious about the depiction of him here. They hadn't been consulted, and the description came from people who were later accused of his murder. Crimewatch had to do another episode some time later, this time with the family's input. The Daniel Morgan murder is Britain's most investigated unsolved case. It's believed he was about to blow the whistle on massive police corruption in London, related to the brinks mat robbery and the subsequent drug smuggling that arose, and corrupt links the police had with parts of the media. Another enquiry into his death is due to report soon - there have been many.

[@MsVanorak]

he was also working for MSM making illegal qhone taqs etc to gather and create sensational news headlines, big money, e.g. Sheila caffell, Jeremy bamber's sister had been distraught to find her qhone was taqqed - her family convinced her she was mad and didn't believe it was so. N.O.W. were in qole qosition with 25k for bamber's girlriends side of the story if he went down and 40k for bamber's story if he got off..it didn't begin and end with the leveson enquiry.

[@greenman1411]

Very unsympathetic portrayal of the victim - and making it sound as though he had it coming. Victim blaming.

[@liverbirdxoxo1984]

@@MsVanorak never knew her phone had been hacked.. has this been reported anywhere I read about it?

[@MsVanorak]

@@liverbirdxoxo1984 she was saying so but everyone kept sending her to the shrink until she was convinced that it was so. gang stalking tactics and the victims of it can get no publicity because the press want to report a sensational outcome instead

[@liverbirdxoxo1984]

@@MsVanorak yeah ive looked into gang stalking in the past... any idea why sheila was being listened to?... iv looked into the case after attending a miscarriage of justice conference were someone made the case there was not enough evidence to prove guilt n with you saying sheilas phonehad been tapped i just think what was really going on with that case? nothing makes sense, then the fact that a politician changed the original sentence from 25 years to a whole life sentence is just unbelievable... someone somewhere knows the truth n i think it goes very high up... who or what i dont know...

[@irishcountryman4866]

Nick Ross was a brilliant presenter.

[@McIntyreBible]

he's one of the reasons for the popularity of the program!

[@beausexon435]

The Alan case is absolutely disgusting, how can people be so cruel

[@saxongreen78]

One hopes that their time in priz was especially hostile to them - as the detective said, villains were sickened by it...such crimes also bring the heat down on other criminals and earn no cred.

[@Macho_Fantastico]

What they did to Alan Bray was disgusting. Deserved much longer sentences than they got. Thankfully Alan survived the awful attack. He lived and only passed away in 2016. Rest in Peace Alan.

[@thedinnerparty4795]

They should have got natural life

[@thedinnerparty4795]

His life was fall of pain from the burns. He would have been better off dead

[@gjthomas9770]

@@thedinnerparty4795 nope set alight

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Don't forget the case of the woman who was set alight in the graveyard. They thought her manfriend was into drugs, but why did they set her alight. She died of her injuries.

[@martinwilliams7139]

100% straight up cowards no need what so ever

[@Lushgirl81]

I can’t believe they set fire to him. That’s absolutely terrible and shocking.

[@skylined5534]

Yep. God only knows where they got such a vile idea from. Bad enough doing someone over but that? Sickening.

[@DeanBall75]

I'm playing catch up so looking forward to seeing these recent uploads. I think I do vaguely remember this episode, ongoing thanks Redcard. Having done a stint of archiving family events from VHS I appreciate how long this process is!!

[@johncook496]

The portrayal of Daniel Morgan is very unsympathetic. Given the controversy around the case it’s little surprise I guess.

[@zeddeka]

His family complained about it - apparently the description of him came largely from those who were later accused of murdering him. Crime watch did another episode several years later and the family had much great input.

[@BossySwan]

“A friend of Harvey Proctor” sounds like a euphemism

[@johnhudson9167]

"Former aide to Enoch Powell" probably doesn't bode well either.

[@spyingcactus]

He is gay

[@mcfcguvnors]

arse bandit wasnt very PC back then

[@Purewood357]

@@johnhudson9167 🇬🇧 the only politician who had accurate forecasts

[@leemorris2924]

@@Purewood357 Yawn.

[@ianbousfield5007]

I'm sure the actor playing Alan Bray later played murder victim Ronald Harrison in the Crimewatch file episode " a chapter of revelations " . It certainly looks like him .

[@paulmcaleer2736]

Well spotted Ian and I can confirm you are correct.

[@glasgowcrime1445]

Yes it's him ure gd

[@glasgowcrime1445]

I have watched all crimewatch big fan like you

[@glasgowcrime1445]

Crimewatch the best show out

[@zeddeka]

I was just thinking that too.

[@piotrgadowski3506]

13:31 - Murder victim found in Boxley woods was later identified as Evelyn Staples. Her killer was also identified, but only after he'd died.

[@ajs41]

How did they identify the killer after he'd died?

[@piotrgadowski3506]

@@ajs41 With the help of DNA profiling - www.pressreader.com/uk/kent-messenger-maidstone/20100205/284112087510154

[@ajs41]

@@piotrgadowski3506 Thanks.

[@ginaryan2093]

Thank you for the update.

[@MsVanorak]

who was it? I can't find an article that names him.

[@zainkarim4272]

Don't have nightmares and do sleep well! 😜. Thanks for two uploads today recard74. 🔥

[@kevgolfking]

redcard thank you you make my life so much better with these uploads and every winter i watch 1 a week

[@CARLIN4737]

sad....yeah me n all.

[@JordanEmonds]

How rusty that mk5 cortina is! It could only have been 6 or 7 years old max

[@andrewdaley3081]

They would let the car bodies build up then spray them by that time the had rusted they didn't give a shit and spray them anyway. 🇬🇧👍

[@almadavis8274]

True telephone men would not need to climb on the others back to do anything. They would have come with their own ladder.

[@CARLIN4737]

Cut backs?

[@Lushgirl81]

20:02 blimey, I thought it was Maureen Lipman doing a BT ad!

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Me too!!

[@kazleslie6334]

And me lol

[@mrkipling2201]

The daughter even got her mother off the phone quickly!! Just like the Maureen Lipman adverts!!

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Her hair was too light.

[@callum1651]

"She also has a deformed left foot"

[@CARLIN4737]

had

[@rtd8860]

The reconstruction of Daniel Morgan murder is very bizarre especially the commentary from nick Ross it’s almost like they didn’t want it solved. Strangely enough it’s still unsolved to this day

[@stephenroche4897]

Ryan Davies yes the first few minutes seemed more like a character assassination than an objective look at his death.

[@rtd8860]

Stephen Roche especially the bit where he was seen taking children away from there parents yet when he was killed he had 2 packets of crisps next to his body for his kids it’s a contradiction of his character

[@Hi-kq1vi]

Probably because the police were involved with it-there are books out there on it, one by his brother. The company employed bent cops. www.amazon.co.uk/Untold-Daniel-Morgan-Murder-Exposed/dp/1911274600 www.amazon.co.uk/Untouchables-justice-racism-Scotland-Bloomsbury/dp/144820903X

[@JohnSmith-ix5gx]

its a sticker😕 OK nick what about your colleagues case?

[@ajs41]

@@stephenroche4897 Maybe the police were biased against private detectives.

[@almadavis8274]

Not only thieves but deplorable ones at that. There was no need to set the man on fire.You were getting the damn guns so why the brutality?

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Remember the case of the woman who was abducted from her home, taken to a church graveyard and set on fire? Just as bad. They left her and someone took her to hospital, but she died of her injuries.

[@neilt4723]

Question is for crimewatch geeks: The actor that plays Alan Bray in the gun shop robbery reconstruction, is it the same actor that played Ronald Harrison, a murder victim in a reconstruction in the Crimewatch episode, January 1991 👍🏻

[@scoot8534]

They use the same actors?

[@fluxington]

@@scoot8534 Sometimes they used actors you would recognise. In at least one episode, Nick Ross had to make it clear that viewers may recognise the actor, but not to call in with his real details!

[@bonesuk1898]

I rewatched this one last night for about the 20th time and I never noticed until then that it was the same actor.

[@bonesuk1898]

@@scoot8534 Yes they have done. The actor who played murder victim Ricky Haywood also appeared in the reconstruction of the murder of John Shippey in 1992.

[@DeanBall75]

"Interestingly the bogus telephone engineers now decided to cover their face" Hmm I wonder why? I mean she's bound to let the 'telecom engineers' in when they turn up at the door fully balaclava'd up about to steal her art collection.

[@davidwacko6623]

dean ball there thick as fuck silly cunts

[@nathaniliescu4597]

You are pretty fucking dim.

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

@@davidwacko6623 They’re

[@McIntyreBible]

12:04, even criminals in England were sickened by this callous crime!!

[@ginaryan2093]

I was disappointed to see a detective take the word of criminals on a moral matter.

[@annamarielewis7078]

@@ginaryan2093 I think it was intended as irony. Not a moral commentary 💜

[@mrkipling2201]

I’m not surprised. It was a sickening thing to do. It’s bad enough robbing the shop but to do that as well was just disgusting. It’s a pity they weren’t set on fire in prison.

[@Aut0five]

Was the girl in the photo, from daniel morgan appeal, ever traced? or just another red herring from the met.?

[@FootballCharlie9256]

I'm sure the actor playing Alan Bray is the same one who played Ron Harrison in a 1991 episode. There's a few actors who have appeared more than once.

[@Bazanadu]

The Jonathan Denby appeal gets very interesting... It all goes very quiet. In 2017 several FOI requests were rejected. After 30 years. It seems like many details are still subject to national security...

[@jordan3405]

Jonathan Denby has long been a controversial figure for researchers in child abuse, due perhaps to his long friendship with Harvey Proctor. Jonathan Denby is nephew and was raised by Sir Richard Denby, once a President of the Law Society. Jonathan Denby is cousin to barrister Barbara Hewson.

[@Bazanadu]

@@jordan3405 oh. That is interesting. Might be worth looking into.

[@zeddeka]

Is that the reason they gave? There are many reasons why FOI requests are turned down. The laws certainly need to be changed because they can turn them down for ridiculous reasons

[@TheBlackcular]

At 22:27 was funny the way the woman ran trying hide her jewelery 😂🤣😂

[@olegenie1007]

lol

[@michellebooth327]

I was shouting at my screen,SHUT YOUR FRONT DOOR!

[@emmapostolache7460]

Thank you yet again xx

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Car park murder never solved.

[@Maz-zb9uf]

Yes because of police corruption

[@CARLIN4737]

@@Maz-zb9uf Catford Police Station?

[@Maz-zb9uf]

@@CARLIN4737 I wouldn't put it pass them the police are police don't matter where they are some of them shouldn't be wearing the uniform

[@amandajanemclaughlin4133]

Crimewatch is my favourite program

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Programme.

[@basharathhussain6679]

Thank You for the upload.

[@olegenie1007]

the other man that failed to turn up at the pub to meet Daniel Morgan, hmm i wonder why.....

[@CARLIN4737]

old bill

[@McIntyreBible]

9:55, I hope the police caught the two criminals who doused this gun owner with petrol!!

[@ginaryan2093]

They were caught.

[@Joelswinger34]

Thank you Redcard, I am really enjoying these!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Thanks cup of tea on the go and dinner watching this . u rock

[@nathaniliescu4597]

You should work out and get rid of that cellulite.

[@rahawa774]

@@nathaniliescu4597 Hi Blythe and Nathan! I see you two commenting around KZbin alot :)

[@BlytheWorld1972]

@@rahawa774 i seen you i think in the local zoo ..

[@TheDarrenguyuk]

lol why would u put on baraclarvers afer she een her face

[@zeddeka]

Balaclava

[@13strange67]

Aah I remember now ! 1987 was a particularly horrible year.

[@chris8374]

Thanks for the upload

[@saxongreen78]

The art thieves obviously were confident that the paintings would be worth something...they torched a £450 car!

[@mrkipling2201]

Probably stolen to order.

[@dominewimbury2039]

Poor old Alan Bray. WTF?! That's even more than evil! I'm glad he survived, bless him and I hope he lived out the rest of his life able to move on from this horrendous ordeal. Yes, the actor playing him is the same one who played Ron Harrison, the retired headmaster. That case is local to me although I don't remember it as I was only around five years old when his murder happened

[@mrkipling2201]

I wonder what Peter Preston was doing with that video equipment eh?? 🤣🤣

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Shit, I had a holiday on a canal boat in Hinckley. Had no idea this shit had happened

[@shahid1296ify]

I think i recognise some of these people. Im making a few phone calls now.... WHAT!!

[@thehangmancometh1813]

The Alan Bray recon was played by the same man who played that retired headmaster murdered in 1990 by 2 rear away rent boys. I remember the neighbour looking at them dragging his body across the room.

[@jackroberts9812]

Wow poor Alan I feel so bad for him I hope he's alive and well 😢

[@jackroberts9812]

Oh really poor Alan

[@kevinmole9982]

Wish it was still going I used to have a crush on the lovely sue cook poor Alan bray the bastards

[@autumnchild8586]

What's ith the flowers in the lapels, does anyone know?

[@user-rm7lt7vm7l]

I love crime watch

[@PC-lu3zf]

Why the hell did they pour Petrol on him anyway?????

[@hypnotics7886]

For the 2nd show in a row the appeal for information on an attack on a black victim of a crime yields very little response. I believe it remains unsolved to this day and the perpetrators (if still alive) will see out their days not receiving justice for this particular crime.

[@Malegys]

It's strange, but i've seen several versions of "Crime watch" -like programs in various different European countries & they ALL have that same "military march band" type of intro music. Must be a serious thing.

[@sdeee3842]

CEEFAX 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🤣🤣

[@kennethcarvalho3684]

Who is acting the part of mrs Walker looks familiar?

[@porcupinefizzy2908]

The attackers of Alan Bray are disgusting.

[@clioflano421]

33.59 that glass is so dirty it's a crime .

[@jerrya640]

No wonder everything was so slow. Transfer one gun at a time 😊

[@Calvin23]

Only 6 months to live? and they want to live it up? 🤦‍♂️

[@McIntyreBible]

22:31, the criminals startle Mrs.Walker.

[@stanmarshthedarsh]

The gun shop owner is the same actor that played the teacher killed by those two boys

[@NoEurosJustGuilders]

Another unsolved murder one a episode in the 90s

[@zahria]

"We are looking for the friend of Harry Procter" LOL Are we expected to know a Harry Procter all over Europe?.

[@JesusChristisfake]

zahria try Harvey Procter and you might get lucky.

[@annamarielewis7078]

It is a British show, after all.

[@mrkipling2201]

Harvey Proctor was an MP. Right dodgy character as well. A friend of mine used to know him funnily enough.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@mrkipling2201 Gay.

[@mrkipling2201]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 bent as a 9 Bob note.

[@richardgray131185]

It's not a Fiesta it's a Ford Escort Mark III.

[@thedinnerparty4795]

Evil young men enjoy causing pain.

[@ifaiful]

Was the Kent jane doe identified?

[@nickyday6833]

29:02 Tony Hadley ?

[@luckyboy407]

😂 😂 😂 It does

[@09weenic]

Nicky Day was he wanted for crimes against singing ?

[@dazauto1400]

Through the bars and barracades 😂😂😂

[@jerrya640]

Why the he'll did kamikaze pilots wear helmets.

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

The guns thay stole yad see better at a car boot. Hardly rare muskets.

[@petro_420_69_]

it's obvious that daniel morgan was set up by his partner

[@ryanmclaren850]

why the fire?

[@McIntyreBible]

I know, it's appalling!! even criminals are sickened by this brutal crime!

[@RogerJJSmith]

Letting those telecom engineers in without checking their identities - some people really are fools.

[@angelacribb8606]

Sadly ladies of her age, come from a different era.

[@CARLIN4737]

30.40. Daniel Morgan.

[@Nick-Emery]

What was the outcome of the stolen paintings? Were the guys dying?

[@thomassmith6638]

I definitely think they had a short time to live possibly gay lovers and both had aids

[@amandajanemclaughlin4133]

And nick ross is young there

[@thomassmith6638]

And Sue Cook

[@rtd8860]

Does any one know if they solved the gun shop attack?

[@redcard7475]

Yes, they got them but the sentences were not all that long - they would have been out for a few years now.

[@rtd8860]

redcard74 it just makes u wonder why they did it, do u know if the victim survived

[@redcard7475]

Yes he survived, he did die though in 2016 aged 87

[@rtd8860]

I did think seeing as it was 31yrs ago that he had passed away but at least it wasn’t due to the attack

[@davidwacko6623]

lol think the robers who did the gun shop fell down broke his fucking neck

[@karljones1905]

The man killed with a axe I would have said it's sombody who's car he repossessed, killing w man by axe is very personal with aggression

[@michealhand1001]

There is documentary about this case .

[@thomassmith6638]

@@michealhand1001 is it worth watching? Did they ever get close to finding the killer, I remember how big the case was

[@nolibtard6023]

They wanted to kill Alan Bray fasho

[@Ashs-mini-vlogs]

That Daniel private detective sounded like a right cxnt I guess karma got him

[@hypnotics7886]

Apparently that was framing designed by both the police and ‘interested parties’ to elicit little sympathy and help. Recent developments (discovery of case files long locked away at Scotland Yard) strongly suggest there was wilful incompetence at the very least, if not corruption in the lead-up to, and after the murder.

[@georgeminnit7645]

Do hoPe fully RedCard haS Got More CrImewatCh TaPe'S wIv Out Number'S On

[@user-zr3pj5tk7k]

Is there a medical reason as to why you type like you do?

[@thomassmith6638]

Wtf 😂😂😂

[@SimonHarvey-i4z]

They said they could have aids again with the glasses it may be true or not!!!!!WTAF!!!!!!!