The Legacy of Pope John Paul II

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@boojasmine 3 ай бұрын

Very well-balanced assessment, thank you Eric.

@corpbond2 3 ай бұрын

This was a great show despite me criticizing JP2 and Eric deserves a lot of credit for being so balanced. JP2 did convert / energize people, but ultimately that's what any faithful bishop does when he actually preaches the Faith, which IS TRUE.

@hannahdavia8791 2 ай бұрын

Very balanced. Thank you for this!

@dennisd3926 3 ай бұрын

Fair analysis, Eric. Thanks.

@juancristobalrojas9212 3 ай бұрын

As a child of Catholic formation from Opus Dei and the SSPX and a traditionalist TLM who loves Lefebvre and loves JPII (yes I am a weirdo) thanks for the video because I agree with all of it

@Laura-dy1vc 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the honesty about john paul II.

@deirdrefleming9935 3 ай бұрын

Thank you, Eric, for a very fair assessment. Interesting that you included his frequent travels. This was something that bothered me in the 1980s, although at the time nobody agreed with me. Another interesting point is that we didn't have a huge amount of Catholic apologetics during his time. It was not until the new atheist movement went on the attack post 9-11, that Catholic apologetics got fired up (assisted by the internet).

@gracieobunny9916 3 ай бұрын

Great show. I definitely wish the Church would put the breaks on all the fast track Canonizations. I agree with you, many years should be allowed to pass and hopefully a more sober look at whoever is up for canonization. I liked a lot of things about JPII but sadly the years have shown a lot of problems, as you stated. I can’t say I’m a “fan” of any particular pope. I just want us to have a pope that teaches and believes the Faith! 🙏🏻

@nealkriesterer 3 ай бұрын

There are plenty of saints from ancient and medieval times that were canonized much faster than JP2. Sometimes within just a year or two of their death. Have you read the details of the miracles attributed to JP2 after his death?

@user-yp2oc2mv8m 3 ай бұрын

Instead of saying men and women should not engage in certain things, you can say: fornication is forbidden in the Catholic Church.

@paultran-b6r 3 ай бұрын

If possible please read "The Undermining of the Catholic Church" by Mary Ball Martinez.

@Sylvia-of9hj 3 ай бұрын

JP II was the Rockstar Pope, but he had more than charisma. He was a young teenager when the Nazis took over Poland, and his whole family died before he was 21. A Jewish woman who knew him during WWII, when he was just a teenager, said that he carried her miles to safety on his back, on foot, and saved her life from the Nazis. Otherwise, he cooperated and did what was he was told, even giving up his education and dreams to work in a boring factory job under the Nazis. So the Nazis thought they had somebody who was easily controlled. So he had the survival skills to survive the Nazis! Then later, he had the instincts to survive and thrive under Communist rule. Later he teamed with Ronald Reagan and the iron curtain and the Berlin Wall came down. So he triumphed over Nazism/Fascism and Communism! Later on, his kissing the Koran was unfortunate, as well as his participating with other religions and cults in a display of prayer with them. I don't know what he was thinking in both these latter incidents. Maybe he had a plan, and if he had lived, would have helped triumph over them, too. His style was not one of confrontation. I'd like to know his personality traits that allowed him to thrive under the Nazis and Communists, maybe it was appearing to cooperate with them until he won.

@gd7163 3 ай бұрын

Could you explain in more details what are the points in the technology of the body that you find controversial or not exactly right?

@jeffbrewster7475 3 ай бұрын

I would say a balanced assessment overall - and very charitable. Perhaps the greatest failure of the JP2 papacy, aside from the many rogues he elevated as prelates, was his enthusiasm for the new rite of Paul VI and his very guarded if not hostile approach toward the traditional worship he exclusively knew for most of his life! Previous popes took an oath that they would uphold tradition as it was handed down. He could and should have worked to reverse the liturgical revolution that Paul VI facilitated, but instead wholly embraced it.

@grahamcombs4752 3 ай бұрын

I was living in New York when John Cardinal O'Connor was Archbishop of New York. I often -- insisted upon it on some occasions -- tell the story of Cardinal O'Connor's response to the AIDS epidemic as well as his service with the Marines in Vietnam. When His Eminence came to New York he was vilified in the liberal media and also among the cultural and academic elite. Prior to this he served as administrator of the Military Ordinariate and Rear Admiral of the Navy Chaplain Corp. He had close relationship with Nat Hentoff who wrote for the far-left Village Voice but they bonded on the life issues. Hentoff -- who was Jewish -- graduated from Boston Latin School and started off his writing career as a teenage jazz reviewer at Down Beat Magazine. Needless to say, an odd couple. The last great bishop in the American Church? A argument can be made ...

@corpbond2 3 ай бұрын

JP2 was confident in SOMETHING. But, I am not sure that it was BEING CATHOLIC.

@gd7163 3 ай бұрын

Could you explain in more details what are the points in the theology of the body that you find controversial or not exactly right? Also, it would’ve been great if you could have substantiated his penchant for humanism a little bit more because to me it seems that this is the heart of the problem - seems that he approached positions that were dangerous when he put Man with a capital M at the centre, leaving the door open for the confusion as to whether or not that archetypical “Man” is Christ or not.

@patcandelora8496 3 ай бұрын

I see him as a transitional pontiff between what was and what became. I think he had real sanctity but also some real foibles. Is he a saint? Above my pay grade. Let God sort it out .

@mousakandah5188 3 ай бұрын

God already sorted it out canonizations are infallible

@juancristobalrojas9212 3 ай бұрын

Eric your biggest flaw is shaving the beard !

@CrisisMag 3 ай бұрын

Nobody’s perfect. 🧔‍♂️

@bonniesammons2348 3 ай бұрын

It looks great. Looks more youthful!

@gd7163 3 ай бұрын

Could you explain in more details what are the points in the technology of the body that you find controversial or not exactly right? Also, it would’ve been great if you could have substantiated his pour for humanism little bit more because to me it seems that this is the heart of the problem seems that he approached positions that we are dangerous when he put Man with a capital M at the centre, leaving the door open for the confusion as to whether or not that archetypical man is Christ or not.

@MrJking1962 3 ай бұрын

The canonization is not a canonization of heroic virtue but of social justice V2 style. Like an invalid baptism.

@ryanscottlogan8459 3 ай бұрын

Imagine they won’t call Pius XII “the great” but they want to use that for JP2!

@soniavadnjal7553 3 ай бұрын

JP2 was generally credited with bringing down the Berlin Wall, ending the cold war and the reign of communist states in Europe.

@user-yp2oc2mv8m 3 ай бұрын

St. Peter, our first Pope was definitely an evangelist first and administrator second.

@MrV395 3 ай бұрын

Ecumenism of JPII was his worst heresy. it is still bearing bad fruits.

@michellemailloux2483 3 ай бұрын

Did you mention that he kissed a Koran? I don't recall you saying anything about that unless I missed it.

@RickW-HGWT 3 ай бұрын

That is often overlooked and the sad mitigation/ explanations are an insult to faith and reason. He made a horrible mistake, acknowledge it and balance it out with his greater piety. He helped bring down communism, the one we have now supports it , sad that this is the situation.

@Fatherbrown6171 3 ай бұрын

And allowed a statue of Buddha to be placed on top of the tabernacle, I understand.

@sheri6089 3 ай бұрын

I came into The Church in his papacy. I really like many of the things he did. I really disagree with others. Eric, I liked your beard. I know how a person wants a little change every so often tho'.

@AJMacDonaldJr 3 ай бұрын

The way forward is backward? Pius X Catholicism?

@aloyalcatholic5785 3 ай бұрын

Yes

@joemccallion9359 3 ай бұрын

JPII did a lot more good than bad. But a great analysis, really do not disagree with anything you said.

@aleksandrablaszczyk5971 3 ай бұрын

Read A Pope for all Seasons. …St. John Paul 2 pray for us. 🙏❤️

@DavidWilson-hd6iz 3 ай бұрын

The real problems in the Church began after the reign of Innocent XII (1691-1700)... the last bearded Pope! 😇

@patcandelora8496 3 ай бұрын

I don’t consider him “the great” I think he was good on the family and standing up to communism. He did do some questionable things that make me scratch my head though. I can’t help but think that these post conciliar popes being made saints is nothing more than a rubber stamping of V2 please forgive my incredulity . Every post conciliar pope up to a certain point that is made a saint should have an asterisk next to their name with the saying “he reigned during the pedophile/sex scandal and probably knew about it”just like hall of fame baseball players that played during the steroid era.That said, I Never thought I’d be longing for the good old days of JP2 when compared to our current occupant. What a disaster!

@johnfisher247 3 ай бұрын

When I was born John XXIII was Pope. I recall Paul VI very clearly both during Papal visits and an audience I attended in Rome. The Assisi events, placing of a Buddha statue on a Catholic altar, the Koran kissing and his failure during 1988. Ratzinger was a moderating restraining influence on him. His election was influence by Morris West's book and the movie "The Shoes of the Fisherman". He dod great good buy was so self determined to a fault. Pius XII was far more loved than JPII.

@user-yp2oc2mv8m 3 ай бұрын

How can you be Ratzinger fun? His legacy is Pope Francis. Also, Ratzinger was changing his mind on so many things. He was inconsistent.

@CrisisMag 3 ай бұрын

If there was one thing Ratzinger was not, it’s inconsistent. Anyone who thinks he changed his mind a lot doesn’t understand what he always believed.

@johndavis5654 3 ай бұрын

We’ll be was out of town during Assisi but then held his own

@polemeros 2 ай бұрын

The business of fast canonizing popes is a very very bad idea.

@user-yp2oc2mv8m 3 ай бұрын

Pope can delegate the administration of the church to his bishops. Whether bishops are honest or not is another issue.

@patriciajones7391 3 ай бұрын

They made him a saint way too soon

@nealkriesterer 3 ай бұрын

What is the right amount of time?

@jeffbrewster7475 3 ай бұрын

@@nealkriestererdecades if not centuries had been the historical practice of the Church. Time is needed to make a dispassionate, rather than emotional, assessment of someone's life.

@nealkriesterer 3 ай бұрын

What are you basing that on? Saint Francis and Peter of Verona were both canonized less than 2 years after their deaths, and that was 800 years ago.

@johantrenier1685 3 ай бұрын

Knew about Priest abuse, let it happen, disqualified.

@danielkilpatrick3525 3 ай бұрын

Sry but I find it hard to recognise Pope JP2 as a Saint Or to Pray to him. He just comes across as a good actor who kissed a Demon book the Koran and Him placing a demon statue Buddah on The Alter of Jesus Christ. Pax

@RickW-HGWT 3 ай бұрын

They should acknowledge his horrible mistakes, and balance it with his greater piety. He helped bring down Soviet communism, for that we should be forever grateful.

@Chris-yg4ul 3 ай бұрын

@@RickW-HGWT I was very young and then fallen away during most of the JP2 Pontificate. What I do know/remember from the time, I had a very positive feeling toward him. As I returned to my faith and grew in it, I still looked favorably on his papacy, however, I feel like the bringing down of Soviet communism might not be the victory we thought it was. I do recall how excited we all were at the collapse of the USSR and the fall of the Berlin wall, but can there be any doubt that the "errors of Russia have spread to the whole world"? Russia has NOT converted (they simply shifted political regimes) and socialism is all the rage throughout Europe and the US. Sexual promiscuity, the destruction of the family, etc where all the ideas of Soviet Communists and the rest of the world embraces them fully. The Soviets are winning, they just aren't around to see it.

@RickW-HGWT 3 ай бұрын

@@Chris-yg4ul I believe bergolio is one of the " errors " his pep talk to the communists in the Vatican this past January shows this as well as his betrayal of our Chinese brethren to the ccp. Communism was eliminated in Poland and some other countries, I agree it is being embraced by too many in the USA, I blame the schools and other entities for this including some in the church, liberation theology is truly evil but is celebrated in some dying orders.

@mousakandah5188 3 ай бұрын

canonizations are infallible

@brianbacon5149 3 ай бұрын

+JMJ JPII set a bad precedent with the Assisi incident and the disastrous negligent mishandling of the abuse crisis. During his reign, the clergy became gay and the bishops became heretical. In the meantime, he persecuted Abp Lefebvre, a true saint. Finally, he was derelict in directing the administration of the Church. He may be a saint, but he is not "great". I think he viewed the hermeneutic of continuity with V2 as essential. In hindsight, that is a serious mistake. V2 has been very destructive of the Church. Under V2 we see a loss of faith in the Real Presence, plummetting baptisms, marriages, ordinations, a gay clergy and a banal and irreverent Mass. We need a new pope who clearly and unabashedly teach and defend the holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.