Critical Drinker: How Politics Ruined Hollywood

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Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians.

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[@Grubnar]

Shouldn't this be at the top? Did you forget to pin it?

[@shaboom420]

Aabsolutely

[@CannonRaw]

14:00 You nailed it on the head. Some movies are meant to have that emotional weight on you. Things to instill the message "we can't let this happen again." To contrast that look at Shawshank Redemption. It's a story of having hope in the most horrible of cards of life dealt.

[@ghostinthecraig]

You guys are Great 👍🏾

[@DarkAngel2512]

Please can you get Shapeshifter or Tullipr on the show. :)

[@CorporalFriendlyShark]

Nowadays I look forward to the Drinker’s reviews of movies more than the actual movies themselves.

[@CosmicRay111]

He's saved me a fortune! :-)

[@NoNameNo.5]

Yup

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

Ditto.

[@williamalderson5328]

Yup

[@lescorlett4133]

I'll raise a glass to that. In Drinker we trust.

[@benaiahwright937]

I'm black...I absolutely REFUSE to watch one more slave movie. I don't hate "the white man" and you can't make me!

[@clairehann2681]

Not only that but dam*...capitalizing on black trauma and suffering much? Doesn't make sense, ideologically...

[@merrylderrickson3147]

can we add holocaust porn to the list?

[@littlecatfeet9064]

@@merrylderrickson3147 yes! Schindler’s List was the last for me. Honestly those movies just fuel anti-Semitism now.

[@kurarisusa]

Agreed. One thing that really bothers me is that they act like we don’t have any other stories to tell. Like every black movie or show has to be brimming with bitterness, hatred and pain. It’s either about how oppressed we are or about is committing crimes. That’s all we get. That’s NOT all (or even mostly) who we are though. It feels like they just want to cram us in this horrible little box and keep us there and I hate it.

[@Pwwh0711]

LOL Only self-hating, middle class white liberals (the modern hijacked usage of the term, of course), militant self-serving, revenge-seeking black activists & deluded neo-Marxists are attempting to force that narrative upon you. ie the extant media & Establishment! ...ironically, that's kinda like the "bad old days," isn't it?!

[@ironelemental9367]

That wasn't the Critical Drinker, that was Will Jordan. The Critical Drinker is never seen without sunglasses! Still, a fun interview to watch😃

[@petery6432]

So, you mean the Memory Store was so dumb that it turned The Drinker into WIl Jordan for a brief moment? That memory store really is the dumbest thing ever created

[@DustinBarlow8P]

Also where Da Fuq is Tatianna?!

[@drTERRRORRR]

I don't know,man. This expression from the thumbnail is pretty much what I see when picturing him suffering through another shit movie. ...or he could be hangover as fuck,since you shouldn't be THAT drunk during an interview with camera aimed at you. You'll be the judge.

[@drTERRRORRR]

​@@DustinBarlow8P I'd say powdering her nose to take the edge off when this degenerate comes back to ravage that ass. It's just an educated guess.

[@rammerchandy1712]

@@petery6432 yes, yes it was

[@r0ckworthy]

I love this guy. He's NOT just another cynical "bro". His Critical Drinker channel on KZbin is incredibly intelligent and happens to be super funny too.

[@chindleymuffin]

"That's all I've got for today....go away now!"

[@theALTF4]

cynical...bro? like who 😮

[@LinkMarioSamus]

He’s a complete wreck who has no original takes that don’t involve complaining about identity politics, which quite frankly isn’t original either.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

@@LinkMarioSamus You're a dumass.

[@coldestgamerz465]

@@LinkMarioSamus 🤓

[@Smagual86]

How they were able to sober him up enough to get him into a studio is beyond me.

[@dv9239]

He is drunk here He is just an average guy when sober

[@KLWarlord]

CGI face and voice.

[@lucara]

The Drinker is never sober. He's just pretending 🤣

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

@@lucara LMAO

[@marinawolf]

TCD is a character, y'all. Will Jordan is a person.

[@Xtheearthchildx]

As a black woman, I feel physically ill when I see Hollywood try to use my demographic for woke points. Like in the show And Just Like That, it’s quite literally unwatchable, I gagged almost every episode. Edit: Um guys, I identified myself because I am saying “even I too hate this, and I am who they are trying to appeal to” I fully understand my race and sex are irrelevant to have an opinion on something. Didn’t think I needed to explain that but, continue your dissertations in the replies. **I would delete this comment if I wasn’t interested to see how many people get pissed off about it. Fascinating stuff.

[@kdbrown777]

It really is disgusting how Hollywood creates tokenism of characters and act like that's somehow less racist. How about we just hire people for roles based on what works rather than trying to score brownie points with the woke crowd. If a character is well-written and makes sense to be in a story, I could not care less what race or gender they are.

[@DarkAngel2512]

What happened? Not seen it.

[@thirdmeow2270]

It's pure racism swapping these established white characters out for black actors. Not just for the white folk, but for the black as well. The industry is basically saying black people can't create original interesting characters, so have to stand on the shoulders of white folk.

[@everburn]

Preach!!!

[@Rope257]

You know what bothers me the most. That human beings like yourself now feel obligated to say: "As a Y colored skin and Z type of sex, I [...]". Mostly because I couldn't care less about what your skin color or sex is and, it shouldn't matter. This is what the woke has accomplished. They've made skin color and sex more relevant when partaking in a societal discussion where before its relevancy was on the decline for at least a decade or so before they started their brand of "activism".

[@GamingWithSpoons]

The Critical Drinker is the kind of reviewer we need. The man clearly knows what makes good and bad writing.

[@tomt4822]

True enough, but he totally misses the mark here, this is not a problem with writers, but what the writers are being told to write. If you read comments from ACTUAL Hollywood writers, you find if you write well, and don't back the woke agenda you are GONE. This is about destroying another industry, Hollywood.

[@lhw.iAviation]

This is the 1st time I saw the Critical Drinker sober and serious

[@deceiver444]

His analysis on modern mainstream movies are very serious but he injects them with his unmistakable blend of sarcasm and dry humor, which make them funnier than most.

[@TheTrueNarthumpulous]

Drinker deserves every bit of extra exposure he can get. Nobody else has done as great of a job of articulating everything that's wrong with entertainment media in this country.

[@ganjaericco]

He articulates stories 'drunk' better than modern stories themselves. :p

[@PeteMD]

Disparu is a good KZbin follow for this type of content

[@tylerblack676]

I used to be a big fan of the Mark Kermode until in 2016, Kermode basically accused anyone of being misogynistic unless they found the female reboot of Ghostbusters funny. That wasn't a review of a film, but a pompous lecture, at which point I realised he'd been compromised by woke nonsense. More recently he got all snotty about being invited onto GB News, which I thought was childish, and when I questioned why he hadn't reviewed What Is A Woman, I got some generic response about the channel not being able to review films that have already been released, which was really just a rubbish way of saying that he didn't want to review it because of its controversy. In the meantime, the Critical Drinker has been doing an absolutely outstanding job of articulating how woke culture quotas have destroyed legacy franchises and characters. So, sorry Mark, but you sold out and the Drinker has replaced you as the honest and authentic option.

[@tomraffell1923]

To be fair he has 4 times the subscribers of Triggernomatry!

[@TheTrueNarthumpulous]

@@tomraffell1923 Still. Many of their subscribers might not know who he is.

[@cjkoehler]

Thank you for making "THE MESSAGE" part of the cultural zeitgeist.

[@nicomal]

You mean >>THE MESSAGE

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

Don't you mean *THE MESSAGE* ?

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@dimitrijetucovic1307 Bad Message from Drinker though: He does not seem to know that nothing is politically-charged like Daily-Wire is. These are literally and most literally THE People behind the Abortion-Issues.

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

@@loturzelrestaurant ok?

[@Sad_Elf]

@@loturzelrestaurant you do know there is a difference between a message and ***THE MESSAGE*** right?

[@johnnazar180]

Modern movie checklist for the production team: • is the cast diverse enough? • Did we push the "white man bad" message strongly enough? • Is the main female better at everything? • Are PR ready to call people racist if the movie flops? • has the writing team ever read a book? No? Give them a raise.

[@Klespyrian]

That's *almost* literally the checklist you have to follow to get considered for award shows in Hollywood currently.

[@EubulusKane3259]

How did Oppenheimer win best picture then?

[@DanielNicholasBull]

Idiotic

[@JOHN----DOE]

This guy's critique is so spot on. I'm a retired English professor, and he nailed the awful way potential writers are taught in college. First, we have decades of people who weren't taught the granular complexities of American or any other history, warts and all, but with a positive spin that people HAVE tried in the arc of time to improve--and things ARE a LOT better than in the past, thanks to the Enlightenment and the better impulses of some of those dead white males in power. Then in lit classes, no need to read and master the techniques of classic good literature, oh no--all dead white wrong males. All you need to do is master a politically-correct ideology, bash the old guys, and replace them with something politically correct. Or worse yet, appropriate the past story parasitically but change it all to your value system. Never mind if there's no plot, character, ideas, language--you know, all that boring old Aristotelian stuff. Disney movies are the rubber-meets-the-roat result; not only ghastly badly-written propaganda, but stuff NO AUDIENCE WANTS. Hopefully the latter may get through to the capitalists running media, but I doubt it, because good writing is HARD and the ideas are CHALLENGING and there's no guarantee of instant huge profit.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

Top Gun Maverick was made without interference because of the industry clout of Tom Cruise. Nobody can get away with screwing around with a Tom Cruise project. And you know what? There aren't that many bad Tom Cruise movies...

[@donmiles3927]

I even told someone "Notice how there actually WAS diversity in Maverick! Two FEMALE pilots, two BLACK pilots, and even a LATINO pilot! 😮But noticed how NONE of that was pushed on the viewers! (And I'm Black myself!) See what happens when you focus on character development and story greatness, instead of 'representation'? And even with Val Kilmer's serious health issues, notice how he was still basically DIGNIFIED without making him some patronizing charity case....again for 'representation' of those with health issues? I'll be honest, I'm not necessarily a Tom Cruise fan. But much RESPECT for him, for making sure Maverick was about story integrity first. And guess what? Latin, black, and female audiences still LOVED Maverick!"

[@kenrehill8775]

@@donmiles3927 watch the original, there are plenty of coloured actors in that as well.

[@donmiles3927]

@@kenrehill8775 Yes! I was even going to mention that as well!👍

[@rhodwilliams7258]

@@donmiles3927 I mean fact that TWO female fighter pilots were in the top 12 pilots in the US Navy was pretty ridiculous statistically, but then the whole mission was ridiculous. I still enjoyed it though.

[@SansAppellation]

Ironic considering the original Top Gun was a military recruitment tool

[@saturnsanmclearen4588]

I like how he portrays himself as a mad drunk in his videos, but has an amazing articulate vocabulary, and looks like a dad of four.

[@spirittammyk]

I love his accent.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

@@spirittammyk He's Scottish in case you didn't know.

[@spirittammyk]

@@margarethmichelina5146 Thanks.

[@marinawolf]

I seem to remember he's a dad of two girls. The Drinker is a character, Will Jordan is a talented author and critic.

[@dshawnbyrd]

Lol, yeah. He must have reconciled things with Tatyonna!

[@DS-fk7ed]

Being gay, I now think any gay character in Hollywood movie (or TV shows - especially the BBC) has been added simply to tick a 'WOKE' box rather than be integral to the storyline. It's actually incredibly insulting.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

All the homosexual people I know are not woke or anything,they just live their lives normally. Why is tv/film pushing this agenda and trying to stir everyone up?

[@IstariAzul777]

I agree. They just made frenchie gay out of nowhere and tho I’m Gay n think he’s super sexy the suddenness of it and knowing it was for an ESG score vs actual story. Plus the show already has a lot of characters do it’s just clunky to focus so much screen time . Plus they basically depict a hookup then make it this ongoing deep romance.. maybe I’m Jaded but it’s just so forced n goofy Plus I kinda liked the slow moving romance with the mute Japanese wolverine girl Tolkein was right, allegory is lame

[@yolandabraithwaite7730]

Me too. They never take gays on a hero’s journey, or have them helping the larger community. They can only strive for their families or the gay community.

[@victortonelli5670]

"Nowadays I look forward to the Drinker’s reviews of movies more than the actual movies themselves." - Shokuwarrior

[@williams268]

The critical drinker has been putting out fantastic content for a long while now. So glad he's getting his recognition

[@isma2k7]

U mean racist content?

[@tyriana..340]

I highly recommend his books as well. In his videos he's tearing down incompetent storytelling, but his books really show he can actually do it better himself.

[@knox7945]

That just means he has a target on his back. Hopefully nothing happens to him.

[@killbotone6210]

It's very narrow and focused on Woke Hollywood. If you're into woke things and msm Hollywood you will enjoy him. If you're into movies and film not so much.

[@user-vt4hd8hb4v]

@@killbotone6210 I mean yea the reason most people watch him is because he tramples the indentity politics and it's fun. But movie wise it's not anything advanced honestly

[@marcase2003]

The Critical Drinker is the absolute dude. His reviews are spot on and hilarious, highly recommend giving him a follow. Thanks to my fellow Trigger-bigots for getting him on the show. 👍

[@stijnvdv2]

He is... his ending statement about nuts is kinda.... nuts. Like doesn't have anything to do with anything. But it is interesting that people are getting more allergic these days. I am allergic to nuts... but luckily I don't like peanuts... honestly it's the one thing that can make me gag.... like it's the most unpleasant taste I've ever had and I pretty much eat anything (except the bugs that the WEF wants to force down our throats) but the taste of peanuts.....the smell..... I don't understand how a single human on this earth actually can like that, it's awful.

[@truthseeker6377]

Or you can call him El Duderino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing)

[@y3ee3e]

he's just a grifter that sees that theres a massive audience for reactionary incels channel that bash minorities and wokeism.

[@truthseeker6377]

@@y3ee3e 🤣 good one👍

[@chrispekel5709]

Sounds like your brain has a strange reaction to peanuts that other people don't get.

[@zaphael7238]

Love Critical Drinker’s dry sarcastic reviews, he makes me laugh much of the time. Watching this has reminded me how much I loved going to the cinema, that communal atmosphere and the buzz walking away from a good film. I haven’t seen anted to see a movie in around two years not because of fear of sickness but because nothing has come out I want to watch.

[@amuroray9115]

Cinema is great as long as you avoid the internet and the online personalities telling you how to feel. I realize I can only trust my own judgment and nobody else’s

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@amuroray9115 Yeah there is still decent stuff coming out too, you just have to dig a little bit to find it. The Disney and Netflex trash just happens to garner the majority of mainstream attention. It's basically the same with video games, the good stuff is still there you just have to be very proactive about finding it. That said, of cinema in general, I really can't be arsed nowadays. I can either drive 30 minutes to get there and pay out the ass for an experience that is barely even a shadow of its former self, or I can sit in the comfort of my own home and just chill out with the same film. And if I need a piss half way through, I can pause it lol. The thing Mike mentioned in RLM's Oppenheimer review about how his local cinema had the screen calibrated to fit the aspect ratio of the pre-movie ads rather than the film itself really just encapsulates the 2023 cinema experience that most people will recieve. It's shit lol.

[@BobHooker]

You mean going to see Barbie or Oppenheimer. The second time I saw Barbie the audience started to applaud. People were so happy. Even when I saw Cocaine Bear the audience was laughing and talking after the movie but I think we were all stoned. The world is not over, you are just older.

[@firefiy8789]

One thing I have to say about drinker - he is fair. He sees the issues that modern politics have on entertainment, but he will always acknowledge when something he expected nothing from turns out to be somewhat good. He also doesn't milk situations for views, he leaves his thoughts and leaves us to ponder them in our own time.

[@bmardiney]

The most fascinating part of woke writing is that they are so morally backwards, they make the heroes evil and the villains relatable and morally defensible. Evil writers can't even understand the concept of heroism, so to them, the villain that spouts truth bombs is a menace and the girl-boss hero that assaults innocent men is admirable.

[@frosksdeadteeth5163]

It's because they are anti god, antichrist aka Satan/Satan worshippers.

[@Hajde_budalla]

People hated The Joker for this reason.

[@frumpusnumpus]

It's why Cruella bombed too. They really tried to humanize a puppy killer! Absolutely insane.

[@jonnywaldis8275]

Rather they attempt to make them relatable and redeem them, only to utterly fail while congratulating themselves for a job well done. Their warped sense of morality may be the most disconcerting aspect of the woke writing phenomenon.

[@jamesmaybrick6750]

@@Hajde_budalla Joker is such a great film, gets better on repeat viewing. The people that most hated it are pretty much the people who are the identity politics driven lot sabotaging our franchises.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

I'm really happy how well the _"""tHe mEsSaGe"""_ meme has caught on Been with drinker since 8k subs - what a ride ❤

[@slevinchannel7589]

21:48: nope, those videos are so politically-charged they literally called called science-denial by all science-youtubers in all of existence OR called hatepreach-b.s by all of the lgbt-community. Or Both. Most of the Time both. Daily Wire is literally known as a Hategroup who's embers are all disrespected by all of Science. So yeah, Triggermometry heard wrong.

[@dontyouworryaboutit_]

I think I found him back around 18k? Subs. Been a wild ride lol

[@Cenot4ph]

nobody cares

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

@@Cenot4ph and yet here you are 😂🤦‍♂️

[@Cenot4ph]

@@unbearifiedbear1885 I know, to save anyone from posting things like this, nobody cares mate and nobody can verify anything.

[@justinmay8161]

"I don't give a shit. Just tell me the story". That was hilarious lol

[@antimatter4444]

Crital Drinker is awesome, thanks for having him on the show!

[@Crest28]

Crazy how far The drinker has come. Glad to see this growth so fast cause he's Real

[@keyontedollison8547]

Back when movies were actually good but nowdays seem it like movies always ain't as good as used to be the industry is changing and actress are leaving hollywood and people beginning to see why they don't wanna to look up to these actress anymore because of their silly mess and acting funny and showing out and the public eye and but the world see all that though and they know what they is doing

[@dead_end_king]

I will always love Drinker for introducing me to the phrases “Fuck off, film” and “Fuck off, show”.

[@callmelordhelmet]

"Nah, it'll be fine."

[@johneyton5452]

Go away now.

[@maximusrapturous7195]

But the film needs the script to happen, so

[@RSG_TheMonster]

THE MESSAGE THE WRONG SIDE

[@michaelplowman8674]

"That's shyte."

[@tjw4947]

The reason I ceased enjoying the cinema is the ability to escape my own troubled existence for a few hours has been lost. When I leave the theater feeling worse than when I first sat down it is not an experience I would wish to repeat and certainly not pay for. My time and my wallet are already too thinly spread.

[@indy_go_blue6048]

My last theater experience was definitely something I didn't want to repeat. The movie started 15 minutes late, then after the half hour of previews and advertisements, Star Wars 2, The Return of the Barf Bag began at about 110 dB. I found myself constantly reaching for the remote to drop the volume. Then the noisy ass people. That was 2003, and frankly I don't miss it.

[@KidFresh71]

I enjoyed this conversation so much. The Critical Drinker has really been able to articulate what was bugging me so much about modern movies. It's the underlying, constant hammering of THE MESSAGE; instead of just focusing on entertaining an audience. Everything today needs to be dark, jaded, cynical, meta, self-aware and sarcastic. What's wrong with just having fun, being positive and upbeat, and leaving your audience feeling good?

[@tagus100]

Can't wait to hear KK, FF and the Drinker take down THE MESSAGE!

[@Mumbamumba]

Who are KK and FF?

[@Fee_V]

@@Mumbamumba The hosts…Konstantin and Francis.

[@Sagittariuz912]

What message?

[@asraiSOA]

@@Sagittariuz912 LOL... go watch some of the Drinkers Video's ... you'll figure it out.

[@ransakreject5221]

@@Sagittariuz912 the messages that men can give birth. That whites are evil, Christianity is bad, capitalism is evil. you know… the same message we are taught in school

[@jimwilliams8819]

I remember the horror I felt when I heard rumors that a remake of The Princess Bride was in the works. There's just no way today's Hollywood could redo a film like that without fucking it up completely.

[@Femmeaesthetic]

I’m guessing there gonna make Buttercup an “independent woman”!

[@amissbennet]

Is nothing sacred?

[@gavinclayton13]

Fuck that.

[@bretviola6871]

I saw Rob Reiner on Real Time with Bill Maher a while back and he’s just such a typical angry leftist now. He’s bought in to this social justice mind virus heart and soul. There’s no way that this man thats here today could make a Princess Bride or Spinal Tap. No way!!!

[@5pointview717]

Me too was horrified to hear they would attempt it. An independent woke Princess would never get kidnapped, forced into an arranged loveless marriage with an evil man, still be a virgin or require a Male pirate to come save her so how would that ever be a 'The Princess Bride'? Disney logic - That is exactly what Modern Audience wants.

[@clumsytriangle2436]

Agree with this 100%. This is the reason I'd rather rewatch oldies - movies and TV shows - than anything being spewed out currently. My feeling it is going to get even worse because of the increase in wokeness and virtue signalling. The current generation will be the movie makers of the future - god help us...

[@Omegaphoenix128]

What strikes me about film post 2016 is the disappearance of the "finding common humanity" theme lines up with the "half of the US is evil, and there can be no peace" beleif that became so pervasive. The writers and ideologues of Hollywood don't want feel good stories about coming together. They want stories that can justify their hatred of their fellow country men. They want angry, gross, and nihilistic films that reflects the world they see in their broken mirrors.

[@mynamestim8117]

The Drinker is an absolute LEGEND. I was one of his first few hundred followers, and its incredible to see how his channel has grown. He totally deserves it and it shows that there are critical thinkers/drinkers out there. Anyways, go away now.

[@hubertcumberdale6404]

I was your hundred and one like... maybe one day your comment here will have 1.3 million likes!

[@ccshumshum8104]

looking up to him says a lot about you

[@hubertcumberdale6404]

@@ccshumshum8104 assuming something also says a lot about you

[@ccshumshum8104]

@@hubertcumberdale6404 there was no assumption. why would someone who can think properly think this of tcd?

[@hydroac9387]

Critical Drinker is terrific. Love his commentary and wry sense of humor. I also appreciate the true sadness from CD when he sees his beloved and characters franchises vandalized. And he takes all of us on this journey to explain why.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

I think I actually like Will in settings like this where he’s not in character or playing a bit. I really started following channels like Midnight’s Edge, Doomcock, CD & Nerdrotic back around 2015-2017 or thereabouts when Wokeism was really starting to peak. Some of these guys I still follow but I’m just at a point where I’m getting worn down by culture warriors of all stripes. Will’s a little different than a lot of the hack KZbinrs. He’s an accomplished author. He genuinely likes to talk about movies & he’s not just out there trying to monetize outrage. I mean, maybe he is a little (gotta pay the bills somehow) but he’s not just doing this to be performative.

[@MasterQuiefx]

It's so fascinating to watch this as an American and see how outside perspectives view modern Hollywood. This speaks volumes that people are too naive now to listen to. Love the Drinker, he deserves the recognition and support. Spread the word.

[@GarrettLoganGriffin]

I just discovered this channel. I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciate ANYONE who is coming out and speaking the truth, and asking the questions which need to be asked. Challenging and criticizing the things that have become taboo subjects. Then I see you have The Critical Effin’ Drinker as a guest?????? You just made my year.

[@cyrollan]

So someone is "speaking the truth"....just cause you share the same beliefs? Gotcha ✅

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@cyrollan Where's the lie?

[@Marshmellow3971]

I actually don’t have a problem with people writing ‘woke’ stories, my problem is when you add woke politics to existing stories and characters. If you want to write a super inclusive, intersectional feminist fantasy story no one is stopping you, but don’t buy someone else’s work and add your own beliefs to it.

[@bosaciousbagginocious7475]

Most of those stories are downright terrible which no one would pay attention to. They had to use existing stories to carry their horrendous MESSAGE.

[@drjonesey5]

Even when it's not heavily laced, what does it really matter? I feel like the point of contention is not HOW MUCH it is in the product but the why. For example, let's say you watched a family movie with your child and wife and it was totally normal family fun, typical family bonding movie about a husband, wife, teen kids type of deal. Then all of a sudden, during the end credits, the writer writes in that the teen daughter is gay. Why? this literally happened with The Mitchells vs. the Machines. That movie was a standard family/kids movie and hit all the good points then all of a sudden, "oh yeah the daughters gay" come out of nowhere in the end credit scene where the mother is asking how the daughter is doing on college. What turns people off is not the AMOUNT of progressive SJW nonsense, it is its misplaced existence. The writer wants to add someone LGBTQ to the story, so just throws it in randomly and justifies it with "well it's true to her persona so it's all good" It's ridiculous. Only people who have progressive mindsets do stuff like that. Have you ever seen a right leaning writer or director randomly throw in that a character is a pro-Gun, Pro-Life, pro-Capitalist's? NO. Like come on, this is the problem. The fact that this stuff is done with absolutely no reason to be done IS the problem. Woke stories are indeed trash and the existence of these ideologies are trash because they only exist in media to preach things to us propaganda style AND they are throw in so that viewers can develop the mindset of tolerance and acceptance.

[@turtleboi1547]

Exactly there’s nothing really wrong with a movie being “woke” it’s only when it’s forced into something like you said if they want to make a political movie let them but don’t force it into other shit. Good example is Jordan peels movies they’re pretty political but it’s an original story and he works it into the story instead of lazily forcing it in. At least that’s what I believe

[@DM-it1qf]

What do you think about expanding on existing universes to create separate stories for those characters? So many people including several wannabe edgelords have mocked Ms Marvel’s supposed “wokeness” when she’s based on a character from her own Marvel comic book who is also Muslim Pakistani-American. People are so dismissive of things simply showing the full spectrum of human existence beyond what we’re used to by default (i.e. only the stories of cishet white men (fun buzzwords) where they’re allowed to just be people) as “wokeness” without even knowing what the story is.

[@User9r682]

Few people would watch the woke trash if it wasn't painted over the top of already recognised characters and franchises. It also serves their purposes to taint all existing cultural touch stones with their ideology, if all our modern stories carry their message and old ones aren't re-told their message will get through to young people and shape their world views, this propagating the ideology.

[@kurtwinter4422]

They broke iconic characters. All characters' actions should flow from established traits. Yet, we got a raging Spock, a Han Solo with his guard down, a weak James Bond and a genocidal Dr. Who.

[@yung_wise5861]

Well the problem with Dr. Who isn’t that she’s genocidal it’s that she’s bad and they rewrote practically ALL of Doctor Who just so they always had a stamp on it. David Tennants Doctor didn’t give a fck about ending an entire race to save his friends or whoever he was protecting at the time. When he first meets Donna he kills an entire race of Spider aliens and he literally sits to watch the spider queen die, the Daleks, his own race, the angels, etc. It’s not that he won’t straight decimate your entire race, it’s that it always feels earned and deserved. You know he tried reason and it didn’t work and that it isn’t some dumb grandstand. New Doctor just does wtf ever the writer feels like doing.

[@NT-fq8sk]

I was sooooo vex when I finished watching the recent James Bond. I was just like what the hell did I just watch? Who was that person on the screen? Granted, Daniel Craig is one of my least favorite James Bonds but golly!!! that film was a hot mess.

[@jomahawk7488]

Not to mention Jake Skywalker.

[@collegerebel]

Making Iceman gay and Carol Danvers becoming Captain Marvel. I'll never forgive Disney/Marvel for those two.

[@chrisblanc663]

I liked Craig’s bond. But I haven’t watched the last one yet, so I can count on them to ruin that too once I get to it.

[@David-cf2iq]

"That's all I've got for now. Go away now". One of the best lines on the intertubes

[@CloneLoli]

I think one of the most essential aspects of pushing messages nowadays is usually the messages have little to no hope behind them, the messages are usually just "insert thing here BAD" rather than a straight take on greedy corporations or a thoughtful insight on human resilience. Even the bleakest stories used to have some glimmer of hope or happiness. Friedrich Nietzsche wrote a book about Nihilism to define it but even his story ends with the idea that humans give life the meaning that life lacks on it's own, that what humans create is wonderful.

[@bpater12]

Triggernometry and Critical Drinker united, what a time to be alive

[@eeddieedwards3890]

We may need a "Trigger" warning.

[@talentedmrcollins4923]

Victor Davis Hanson argues that the main reason for all the elitist virtue signalling is that it allows them to avoid criticism from the mob of their accumulated wealth and power.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

that has ALWAYS been the main reason. for decades hollywood's only access into "the public square" relied on philanthropy. it was simple. if you were famous, you were relegated to tabloids and gossip magazines. the only way out of that was to insert themselves (buy exposure) in "real world" capacities. The UN made themselves a vehicle to bring "legitimacy" to actors throughout the early 2000s. see, to the celebrity worship-class, that was unacceptable. they needed their cake and they needed to eat it, too. but it took effort and for a time they had to go the sean penn/bono route...willing to say anything to anybody if it meant being seen as "good"...and even then, were still rejected by the vast majority of the public as know-nothing moral capital opportunists people used to know the difference between words and actions. 20 years ago if MeToo had have "been exposed" it would have been a laughing stock...because it is. EVERYONE knew the deal...young pretty girls want to skip the line, skip acting class, stagework, toiling, and auditioning and waiting tables? Want to go right into being a star?...well, there's about 50 dudes who will put you in their new film for..a price. If im supposed to feel bad for millionaire 25 yearold famous actresses with multiple homes because they fcked some greasy producer..does that mean i should be weeping in horror for the paltry wages of a street walker? but i digress

[@jaydamalley3398]

You mean divide & conquer..

[@themadmattster9647]

I agree, same with woke corporations

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

👆 This

[@leithsapitan1428]

VDH is inspirational. The movie makers need a consult with him before trying yet again to make a crappie woke movie that's not stunning or brave!

[@Vitrolin2408]

People still love Cinema and will turn-out for a good movie. I went to Love and Thunder; and was mostly an empty theatre, prime-time on a Saturday night. I went to The Godfather 50th anniversary rescreen; and the cinema was 100% filled to capacity. For the 'right' movie; people will show up in armies.

[@92Jaghk]

Absolutely love Drinkers style so much. Sarcastic, and hilarious. I often burst into laughter listening to him. He's the best. His honesty is refreshing and instructive.

[@daniell1483]

American History X is a great example of how movies can tackle issues like racism in a realistic way.

[@furtim1]

Disagree. The film depicts black people as either completely innocent or simply opportunistic petty criminals with hearts of gold, with white people being ignorant power-hungry sadists. Also, it shows the main character using statistics, evidence, and personal tragedy as justification for his beliefs - nobody else does this in the story. This is done to cast doubt on anyone in the real world that does this. They then have the character "understand" how twisted his perspective was. They show that only racists justify any part of the Rodney King fight, that only racists recognize their displacement, only racists are opposed to hiring illegal immigrants, only racists use statistical analysis, only white racists form gangs in prison, etc, etc. Nobody has a nuanced view or realistic criticism of "black culture" aside from the white racists. It has the ignorant, white, racist characters bad-mouthing Democrats, specifically the Clintons, but not Republicans. This is to make Democrats and the Clintons look like the non-racist party and let the audience presume these neo-nazis are Republicans. It discredits racial unity for white people, but nobody else. It establishes the idea that the only reason the black characters are in prison is because of racism. The only positive messages in it, in my opinion, are the recognition of individual judgement, family ties, and prospects for redemption/forgiveness. Sorry, but this was just an early example of "the message".

[@kingcosworth2643]

Love that movie, classic American style movie where the main protagonist is a morally corrupt bastard, but by the end they have an epiphany and become more morally sound than anybody else.

[@wearebillionyearoldcarbon9563]

100%

[@coyotefever105]

Great movie

[@shadfallfan]

Yeah it shows that even in the end the 13% will be violent

[@antalpoti]

I was so hyped for this episode. This guy is probably the best movie critic on KZbin. He's free of the mind viruses, recommends what's truly worthy of recommending, honest and genuinely funny.

[@_Dovar_]

There are others, like MauLer, Nerdrotic, E;R, Nerdrotic.

[@TrigonAZR]

@@_Dovar_ yeah but they're quite a bit different. Gary is usually just angry as of late and Mauler doesn't do his unbridled rage video's too often. That being said, I recently discovered a channel called Little Platoon, which has a fair dose of dry British humour, long form reviews and at least for me works like a nice fusion of Mooler and Drinker. I'd recommend to check him out if you like the aforementioned

[@kapoleon83]

Exactly!

[@coltonwhite2518]

@@_Dovar_ E;R doesn't post often, but when he does he comes back with an absolute bang. Watching his Halo and Death note critiques are so cathartic and I still watch his Star wars vids from time to time.

[@nigelfoote2898]

The drinker is legit. Honest, direct. Listening to him i hear Sean Connery. New petitions for the critical drinker as the new James Bond.

[@lati_da]

I love his point that we are allowed to feel happy. That’s one of the things that I dislike the most about this Wolk BS. Everyone’s always pissed about some invisible oppressive norm that they’ll never be able to get out from under. Just miserable, constantly. Exhausting.

[@wasd____]

Man, it's almost like people dealing actual systemic inequality really do sometimes end up miserable because of it. Sorry you don't like having to see that the situations people are forced into sometimes have effects on them, I guess.

[@empathyvirus]

I wanna scream right now! Can't believe you guys finally got the Critical Drinker on the show!! Pls tell him I am a huge fan of his KZbin channel and I always have a good laugh watching his movie reviews. Keep up the good work, you guys and he!

[@lescorlett4133]

Tell him yourself, he reads the comments.

[@caram6061]

me too when I saw him I was like fucking yaaas he is on!

[@elingrome5853]

GO AWAY NOOOOW

[@Mad.Dog.Murdoch]

I almost screamed too. I love this guy.

[@peterbrown6224]

Amazing that they landed TCD. A genuinely likeable man. Go away now.

[@TheGavric]

The "Woke" writers are living out their fantasies and exorcising their aggressions through their writing. This is not unexpected, as that's a staple of writing; to invent characters and stories that come from your inner landscape and desires. The trouble is that they're emotionally immature and therefore incapable of creating good stories and characters. They turn out childish temper tantrums. All they can write are childish revenge fantasies that absolve them of responsibility for their problems.

[@slevinchannel7589]

21:48: nope, those videos are so politically-charged they literally called called science-denial by all science-youtubers in all of existence OR called hatepreach-b.s by all of the lgbt-community. Or Both. Most of the Time both. Daily Wire is literally known as a Hategroup who's embers are all disrespected by all of Science. So yeah, Triggermometry heard wrong.

[@Iron-Bridge]

To add, the majority lack meaningful life experience. As if four years of some guided trust fund indoctrination or summering in the Hamptons not having to understand how sewer maintenance or fast food kitchen cleaning works prepares one for the hard knocks of life. A lot of great works from past generations were from war veterans, minorities who started from the bottom and people who knew actual hardship.

[@shotscarecrow]

"All they can write are childish revenge fantasies that absolve them of responsibility for their problems." This reads like a post someone could have written in the 80s about most of the narrative media that was being churned out then.

[@zeesup]

Hit the nail on the head bro.

[@qsm2978]

lol if they created new characters y’all wouldn’t GAF. you just don’t like women or anyone darker than a paper bag in your media. go back to watching clint eastwood and send this grifter to AA

[@theglanconer6463]

I would love to see the Drinker back on Triggernometry. Absolutely fantastic. Well done lads !

[@thorssensgamesNCC1701]

Thank you for your sanity and critical thinking. It's incredible that I should have to give praise this way but it reflects the times we are in.

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

My favorite KZbin page the Critical Drinker, was so honored when he asked me to do a Happy Hour with him reviewing Cobra Kai this Past January 🐍

[@MrMisanthrope84]

Everyone is sick of it. Left, right, center. We're all tired of it. I'm tired of Disney doing it the most, they are by far the number one pioneers of this boring insidiousness by a wide margin. What they've done with Star Wars is nothing short of criminal, and they're slowly nosediving the Marvel franchise in the same way.

[@CaptnYestrday]

Not slowly. They've basically destroyed it.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

@Dtaysche Even as someone who finds Rey and Captain Marvel to be boring characters, I still see bad faith if not outright sexism all over your statement. For one thing, those two characters are super interesting compared to the likes of Claire in the Jurassic World and The Major in the live-action Ghost in the Shell, but I guess they’re not Mary Sues so hurr durr. Quite frankly Jyn Erso is way blander than Rey. Very interesting you seem to name heroines without superpowers as good examples while ones with are bad.

[@philipdarmawan6252]

@@LinkMarioSamus How to tell if you're illiterate:

[@Levieuxde1837]

@@LinkMarioSamus Jyn Erso > Rey

[@LinkMarioSamus]

@@Levieuxde1837 Because she doesn’t have superpowers evidently.

[@lolahernandez6871]

I LOVE his " drunken" voice and his analysis. Always happy to listen to him. 😎😎😎

[@balvinderbance]

First connected to the Drinker during the dreaded 8th season of GOT. After the 3rd episode it was evident that the show had fallen off and took to KZbin to find someone to vocalize my supreme disappointment, and he made me laugh my ass off. His GOT Season 8 reviews will always be my favourite.

[@denzelamarus5259]

Almost every time I was not disappointed with Drinkers recommendations. His influence is actually reaching far outside the movie environment.

[@Lonovavir]

I got The Beast (or The Beast of War) because of him and wasn't disappointed. It's a solid and tragic look at war that's seriously underrated and needs more viewers. He also recommended Dark City, my favorite film.

[@MicahMicahel]

the one he was totally wrong about was Midsomner. He interpreted the ending as woke but it wasn't. We're so use to having woke movies the movie could be interpreted that way but it wasn't. Lots of people interpreted the ending incorrectly not realizing it was part of the whole theme of suicide murder.

[@spawncampe]

@@MicahMicahel movies are all about opinions. What kinda pisses me off about Drinker is that he tells his thoughts like they're facts. Not every marvel or star wars project is great, but there are several out there I still find significant enjoyment from, and some I didn't particularly like, I know several other ppl did. I thought Midsommar was solid, some think it's a masterpiece, some think it's garbage, but I really don't get is why is having a "message" bad now. Like his answer of saying it gets in the way of good storytellers is just his opinion, and sometimes he says that smth's woke but clearly has nothing to do with wokeness. He doesn't really make sense sometimes, I just watch the ones he recommends now. Also, it's kinda contradictory to always talk about politics if you're against movies pushing political messages. Like The Northman has 0% to do with modern politics or morals, but Drinker still had to mention "the message" in his review, like why?

[@MicahMicahel]

@@spawncampe MY point is that Midsomner wasn't using the message and that he outright misinterpreted the movie's ending as a feminist ending. These Pagans aren't feminist at all. She killed the boyfriend and she was also sacrificed.She learned to see beauty in her sister and parent's muder suicide. That's such a twisted story but he just watched it and saw the narrative. If someone makes a movie that doesn't have the narrative he's still seeing the narrative like as if ... maybe he's traumatized by the message being everywhere even when it isn't. Pagans weren't feminist. It's funny how feminists try to resurge the pagan religions but don't realize Paganism was more based than Christianity. Women were property that you could steal. the girl in Midsomner wasn't an idiot. she didn't think his boyfriend was getting his rocks off. He was being ra ped. It's crazy that Drinker thought the girl was so dumb that she wouldn't understand! he's forcing the narrative onto the movie... that's ironic! HE trues to se=scape the narrative and when it's not there he's making it be there. As far as the message not being impossible to come out with a good movie... I think the only movie that actually did a great job of integrating the "message' was that Del Toro movie, The Shape of Water. Marvel doesn't integrate the narrative in a way that makes for a good story. It looks like propaganda from Marvel but when Del Toro did it it worked. It's the same as Christianity. It's not impossible to have a great Christian movie or fiction book but it's hard to find one... because they try to force feed the message. Lewis and Tolkien succeeded where so many others just came out with Christian propaganda. They forced it into the tales.

[@spawncampe]

@@MicahMicahel yeah I totally agree with you. Critical Drinker just tries to find an agenda within any modern movie and I think he completely misinterpreted this film. Regardless, the film was still decently entertaining for me, that's what's irritating about Drinker, he'll have this standard for modern movies where if it references any modern political messages, it's automatically bad. Like what, why is it bad to have politics in movies, and if you don't like it, then fine, but that's just one element of the movie. Midsommar was a really solid movie which I didn't view as feministic, so I agree with you.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

This was a wonderful interview. So in conclusion: An artist can be an activist but and activist cannot be an artist...why? easy, the artist cares about the art, the activist only on the message no matter what.

[@robbiesmith8055]

Great art can come from overtly political films, it just needs to come from a competent storyteller. Just look at Get Out. It is blatantly obvious that systemic racism is a huge factor in the film, but it's integrated so seamlessly into an otherwise hugely entertaining an frightening story that no one was accusing Jordan Peele of being 'too woke'. The problem is that studios today aren't interested in telling good stories, they just want butts in seats. And with more and more people embracing progressive ideas, they see shallow woke messaging as a quick and easy way to draw people in. The problem isn't that woke or political stories are destined to be terrible, it's just that not enough of the people telling these stories have any interest in writing with grace and subtlety. The message comes first for them, not the story. Instead of calling for Hollywood to be less woke, we just need to hold Hollywood to a higher standard of what woke stories should look like. Because at the end of the day, diversity isn't the reason so many of these woke films suck - its terrible writing that ruins them.

[@ironpulcinella3586]

Activism is a form of propaganda; the spread of an idea but in this case, wokes are propagating a toxic ideology based off egotistical psychological issues.

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

If you make art, you are an artist. You may not like what people have to say or the message but that doesn't mean it's not art or that its maker isn't an artist.

[@robbiesmith8055]

@@THE_BEAR_JEW Well said.

[@Eddie_of_the_A_Is_A_Gang]

​@@THE_BEAR_JEW What is art. If i claim I make art when I shit in the toilet, is it art? Something doesn't have value because you claim it's art. There are awful painting, terrible movies, crap books, etc. If the ''message'' is stupid, incoherent, unintelligible, wrong, etc. Than it's shit, of poor quality and you are not entitled to praise because you claim to make art. I made that point in my art class, I grabbed a bunch of rocks of the ground and put them on the table, claimed i made art. With modern definition, I actually did, like that guy who puts a urinal in a museum. When criticism becomes art itself, than the word doesn't mean anything anymore. Art can be litteraly anything, so it has no value. Art needs to mean : attempting, trying or making a point. For all things we claim to be art to actually be.

[@thedeadd.c.207]

I love how the drinker looks and dresses like a normal dude. He doesn't wear flashy clothes and all that shit. He's just Will Jordan, that guy from the house down the road.

[@roberw1912]

It's interesting watching this interview over a year from this interview. What the Critical Drinker predicted came true. So many movies failed in 2023 and Disney lost billions of dollars on their politically motivated casted and scripted productions. South Park parodied Hollywood, and the Disney CEO says we must tone down the messaging.

[@GrowlieDave]

You had me at drinker. A man who voices my own opinions in a much more coherent way.

[@ChaoticOrder883]

I love critical drinker. He made me realize how bad things really were. Being funny and brutally honest is a rare trait. It is something I myself enjoy and it made things easier to see.

[@philipebbrell2793]

His Jodie Whitaker reviews had me in stitches. Sheer brilliance.

[@ryanc1451]

aka "I love this guy. He opened my eyes to da troof. If it weren't for him, I'd have never stepped into the alt right radicalisation funnels" - He isn't brutally honest mate. He's a paid up agent prov. His appearance on this channel full of agitprop mongers, cementing that.

[@vvilczur]

About the stardom, I wouldn't be so sure, look at what is happenning with The Witcher and Henry Cavil - this guy is really loved by the public, what is more he shows a lots of positive attitude and motivation to others, not like other 'stars' with no personality at all. Cavill shows that the fat nerd can become (literally) a superman, and people are so much attached to him that the now want to keep the actor and fire the screenwriters. This is positive.

[@matthewprince9705]

Henry is in the wrong decade, if he was around 25 years ago, he would be famous at Ben Affleck level. Most of writing for Henry's movies are by women and gay men desperately trying to neuter him instead of letting him be a man.

[@crustyroach6921]

Daaamm drinker!! Love your content all day!! Awesome to see you spread the message of solid film making

[@HAMSTERPOESJE]

“We’re allowed to feel happy”. That hit hard.

[@manfrombritain6816]

i had no idea this crossover was coming and i'm so hyped. TCD is brilliant at breaking down stories, he's helped me get better at writing

[@stewheart]

He helped me improve my drinking.

[@tubetorpedo]

@@stewheart He helped me to improve my ability to say more often to my guest: Go away now!

[@michaeldavid6832]

Check out Mauler. He can rip apart plot holes like nobody.

[@michaelwills1926]

@@michaeldavid6832 love Mauler and you’re right

[@FirinMahLazer1]

The thing I like about CD is even though he's critical (heh) of Hollywood's obvious political bias he's not unfair with his assessments. The audiences don't care about diversity in casts, they care when it's shoehorned in because they're obviously trying to do it for inclusion sake. Write good characters and stay faithful to sources material and people will respond well to it.

[@AfterbrunchDelight]

Great interview! Love the Critical Drinker, and I love the fast forward to the bonus questions! I just had this playing on my phone while I work and then looked over to see you both talking like chipmunks, love it. 😂😂😂👏👏

[@KaoruGoyle]

that's why Kobra Kai suceeded. They HONORED Mr Miyagi everytime they could (which, made me tear up everytime). They didnt dirty his legacy, they didnt mention his "violent drinking problem" and put him into a bad light. Also they made the characters very nuanced while giving the "new gen" a chance to shine too. It was simple like that, disney just had to do that. Honor the past, give the next gen a chance to shine

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Good. I saw Mr Miyagi drunk once in the original movie and it was pretty much obvius it was an annual event for him. The man had been fighting nazis in Europe while his wife wasted away in an interment camp due her Japanese heritage. Definitely not a drinking problem, he had every right drowning his sorrows at the anniversary of that. That is character building but someone wanting to destroy him would definetly use that for character assassination. Good thing Cobra Kai didn't went down that path.

[@MagcargoMan]

@@michaelpettersson4919 Cobra Kai just pandered to the "Daniel bad!" memes instead.

[@jasonmacomber4020]

@ MagcargoMan I never got that vibe. I got the "Daniel and Johnny. are both human" vibe.

[@KaoruGoyle]

@@MagcargoMan Nah, if you rewatch the old movies, Daniel always fucked up, and Miyagi always set him in the right path. Now he doesnt have miyagi and you can clearly see he struggles to be (and wants to be) a better person. I'd say its a very human, nuanced writing, of course, some people dont get it and go "meme, daniel bad".

[@MagcargoMan]

@@jasonmacomber4020 The show tries to pretend that the incident where Johnny and his friends ran Daniel off a cliff was something minor and petty to care about rather than the traumatic incident that it actually was. Just blatant pandering to the memers who say Daniel started it simply because he did what pretty much any other movie protagonist would do and stick up for someone against a jerk.

[@Stormtrooper53]

I fear the message Hollywood is going to glean from Maverick isn't that people want to go see movies that are positive and aren't cynical, but that they want to see movies that continue the stories of movies we all loved decades ago.

[@ge2719]

whats to fear then? thats all they have been doing the past decade... they cant exactly do MORE sequel/reboots than they already are.

[@ryanc1451]

@@ge2719 imagine, instead of focusing on the sequels and reboots, you actually focused on the solid semi independent movies coming out of smaller studios within hollywood... But then again, that wouldn't allow you and Critical to play as victims of the "message", would it? Notice how he only ever goes after mainstream content and never actually praises anything, in favour of shitting on easy, sitting duck targets? Its almost as if he realises he has a base of dedicated simps who'll defend him and his crusade against "the message" to the death. All whilst ironically ignoring the fact that Drinker and his backers at places like Daily Wire are pushing their own brand of the "message"... You fucking hypocrites.

[@ManuelBarner]

@@ge2719 I don't know though, how many spider mans and bat mans have there been already? I fear there is room for at least half a dozen more Indiana Jones's, at least a dozen Obi Wan origin stories and at least three horrible written Witcher reboots..

[@zaphael7238]

Or worse yet another reboot. If I have to see another ‘reimagining’ of an older thing I’m gonna scream.

[@ryanc1451]

@@zaphael7238 you don't have to see a thing you don't want... Unless you're a droog in Clockwork Orange... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂So, what you whinging for?

[@mate53]

I feel like so many movies nowadays seem more like an "F You" than they ever did. Stripped of the creativity and originality in a way that's simply insulting, especially the remakes.

[@ethanbrunt7755]

Will is a really smart and great critic/ movie person, love this guy

[@gfwinn]

I agree with the Critical Drinker on most things but when it comes to being infested with leftists ideology it doesn’t get much worse than casting a black woman to play Ann Boleyn.

[@Crichjo32]

Agreed. That was pure leftist propaganda.

[@thedeathcake]

Albert Wesker, resident evil.

[@MyUserTubeAccount]

racist! as greta would say, how dare you!

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

That's the kind of insanity that is driving GenXers to drink.

[@princemwamba5230]

@@thedeathcake naw wesker is at least fictional ann boelyn was a real person major difference

[@Vapor.Steve77]

Drinker have one of the most brilliant jokes/concepts. Now you only have to say "THE MESSAGE" to explain a complex political reality

[@deonte9014]

"Hollywood is no longer inserting the politics I liked so now they suck"

[@rhysperegrine5100]

They like completely apolitical films, like Top Gun Maverick - a movie about all-American heroes fighting a fictionalized Russia that was funded by the American military

[@deonte9014]

@@rhysperegrine5100, and the only roles they want reserved for non-white characters are submissive or criminal. Like black people being slaves or criminals that "get what they deserve"

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

Nice oversimplification.

[@JC-rr1wu]

Gender and race politics and online activism became more prevalent in the 2010s, but the big watershed moment came after the "Oscarssowhite" movement. This lead to the "Academy Inclusion Standards Form" which basically tells every studio they have to have so and so many percentages of various minorities in every single department from writers, directors, actors, and so on. I addition the script has to include minority characters, minority themes and creative teams has to include minorities. So it is essentiaslly a set of social justice lessons they are somehow trying to make entertaining, creative and coherent. And the talent and vision comes at the very last, if it is to be allowed to be included in the Oscars. And then came metoo and the fall of Harvey Weinstein. After that movies and television essentially became revenge pieces targeting every white man on the planet as inherently evil or incompetent. The solution to this is: Pirate every movie and tv-show instead of subscriptions to Netflix and Disney or whoever churns out woke garbage. Stop watching the Oscars and stop watching or at least pirate the movies getting nominated. Someone should make a webpage where there's a wokeness-meter to help other avoid accidently spending money just to be subjected to a two hour lecture by a committe of confused and deliriant activists that has lost contact with the real world and wants to rewrite history. Should be easy enough to count how many times "patriarchy" "white privilege" or "gender" is uttered in a movie and put a warning sticker on there to be avoided? And someone could easily make a test to see if any white man character is either incompetent, evil or a complete doormat, and every woman is faultless, supernaturally strong, always correct in all matters even when it's outside her expertise, and the wisest and most compassionate human in the movie?

[@aucourant9998]

I very rarely watch any movies made post 2010 now. The Wokeness, the political correctness, the shoehorning in of 'badass' women and Black people into every movie whether it suits the story or not, the ticking of boxes, all make many new movies unwatchable for me.

[@scottmcmahon86]

You must've hated pretty much every film Quentin Tarantino ever made then...

[@TheFailedmessiah]

@@scottmcmahon86 I like Tarantino's original trilogy, reservoir dogs, pulp fiction and jackie Brown. He started to lose me around kill bill, which was Meh

[@BrockLanders]

Same here. By far, the best tv shows and movies were made before the year 2000.

[@SeasideDetective2]

I think you have it about right. Hollywood has been on the (moderate) political left since the 1930s, and their journey from "aspirational" progressivism to "wokism" has been a gradual one. In the beginning, they were more interested in "structural" injustices than in identity politics (for example, I AM A FUGITIVE FROM A CHAIN GANG or THE GRAPES OF WRATH, which depicted the struggles of people who were either multiracial or "generic white." They began to focus specifically on racism in the '40s and on sexism in the '70s, but, in general, they didn't become overtly political until about the early 2000s (though there were some important exceptions, such as REDS, etc.). Even so, I wouldn't say that modern Hollywood films "teach people to hate America." At the very worst, they promote their own utopian vision for America, which is dominated by women, people of color, and homosexuals. Screenwriters and filmmakers are too smart to blatantly denigrate America.

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@bradthompson5383 My personal problem with "badass women" characters is that, in recent decades (particularly during the 1990s and 2000s), Hollywood has pushed what I like to call an "idiot feminism." Too many female heroes have not been real girls, but big-breasted bimbos with smart mouths whom you want to slap in the face rather than cheer on. There hasn't been enough emphasis on the "interior" qualities of women that are more important (intelligence, kindness, etc.). To be fair, a lot of male heroes have become idiots, too. But with female heroes it's somehow more conspicuous and blatant.

[@littleaussierippa]

I could listen to Mr. Jordan/Critical Drinker talk for hours about film and entertainment. Such an articulate and intelligent man. Everything he says is absolutely on point.

[@darc4314]

Tune into his Open Bar live streams, where he talks about film and entertainment for hours.

[@JayaMadhavadas]

YES he is SPOT ON,,,Hollywood B S -- is DESTROYING CINEMA.

[@trippydippy-j5n]

As soon as the Drinker recommends something i will watch it, love how he demolishes most modern films, Disney are like how did the Drinker react? oooooo nooooooooooo we are buggered !!!

[@Elgato1221]

Man I love the drinker, he’s playing chess while the interviewers are playing checkers 😂

[@jnauttube]

Proud to say I was a Drinker fan when his channel was just a small concern with a few thousand subs.

[@theminister1154]

I got in early on all the Fellowship channels for exactly the same reason many people did: needed to work through my RAGE at Kathleen Kennedy, her lil' minion Ruin, and The Last Mary Sue. The payoff is I've learned an awful lot about human nature & storytelling since. Think I could write passable scripts now. Even fixed the Sequel Trilogy: Kylo chops off rey's hands early in 3 but lets her live, Rey freaks 'cause she's never lost before, Force Ghost Snoke whispers her to the dark side, she DEMOLISHES Kylo & takes over the First Order as per the vision in TLMS. In parallel Finn becomes a real (low power) Jedi through the real Hero's Journey (force ghost Luke/Obiwan mentor(s) & that barely suffices to save the Remnant. In other words you turn the whole trilogy into The Empire Strikes back + a bit of New Hope. Only way to fix it. Next trilogy is either an echo where Finn redeems Rey or something more clever another writer invents.

[@marcinpawelw]

Rel.

[@roywilson4514]

Idiots

[@jamesfoley6939]

Same

[@patbateman9187]

"why did I accept the invitation from these guys??" "Doun't knouw" 🕶️🥃 I bursted out of laughter watching Tyrone Magnus reacting to The Critical Drinker. He says a lot of true things like "THE MESSAGE" that people like me are eager to hear. It's unbearable the level of mediocrity, Wokeism, dire storytelling, etc of "movies" nowadays...

[@Turd_Rocket]

I don't know who this handsome guy is, but he strikes me as a dashing devil of dynamism who definitely represents the world we live in today-- BELIEVE THAT!

[@guitarman0365]

Missed opportunity to not tell him to go away now at the end.

[@jordanmcpherson3794]

As an American, namely from the South (Texas), it amazes me how our politics, entertainment, and culture have the eyes and ears of countries from afar. It really is annoying, here. I've lost friends since 2016 over the political meshing with social media. They went crazy. I'm not far-right or left, but so many people here that I know suddenly embraced the leftism that the mainstream media was peddling like it was the second coming of Christ.

[@TheMagicOwL127]

two very good points: 2016 elections divided the states, and even more, families, friend groups, and yes, leftis is a replacement of religion.

[@mratlas3364]

It’s amazing how divided the US is. And we’re literally bordering on the cusp of a civil war. I was watching a couple episodes of Entourage last week and suddenly found myself “offended” because of how crass some of the jokes were. But then I thought about it for a moment and realized I was failing to appreciate the humor of the entertainment.

[@andrewkandasamy]

​@@mratlas3364 EDIT: My bad. I didn't realize this comment chain happened a year ago. The division in the US is mostly caused by the fact the US is so geographically large and exacerbated by its governmental structure. The issues and problems people face in everyday life are very, very different depending on where in the US you are. So are the cultures. The US is less one unified country and more like an empire comprised of 50 countries. People are more likely to care about problems that they actually can see in their everyday life. Their solutions are going to be guided by their different moral and value systems which are influenced by the cultures and environments they grew up in. I would be very surprised if the US agreed across the board on pretty much anything unless there is a ubiquitous shift in from extreme individualism towards a more societal mindset.

[@mratlas3364]

@@andrewkandasamy Response to your first paragraph: I legit explained this exact same sentiment to an Australian friend of mine when he asked about the Electoral College.... People always cry about it being "uNfAiR" when their candidate loses.... Yet champion it when their candidate wins. - The entire point of the EC is to prevent the marginalization of individuals and smaller communities that don't share the same ideals as everyone else. Otherwise we might as well turn into San Francisco and Los Angeles (hard pass). Second para: Based and true!! There's very little that people will fully agree with each other on anymore. Individualism is actually going to be what tears the country apart. Everybody cries to be respected but nobody wants to respect anyone else.

[@jayak3768]

Very honestly, I am quite fascinated by Drinker's ability to write poetry in his reviews, to articulate the issue very well and to give depth and perception to the matter in way that it becomes obvious for people to understand and absorb.

[@hcook1023]

All while sounding hammered off his ass

[@christscrackers647]

In essence, the Drinker has an amazing way with words.

[@noktilux4052]

@@christscrackers647 He certainly didn't display any of that in the first 15 minutes of this interview, at which point I gave up.

[@shivamib]

Its almost like he's a writer or something

[@jayak3768]

@@noktilux4052 u need to listen to his commentary on various movie and topics related to social issues.

[@Klespyrian]

This is the first episode I have watched by you guys (coming as a big fan of the Drinkers). I was hesitant to subscribe but you clearly listened to his answers and responded in kind, plus gave a lot of pointed questions. You guys seem great, I'm subscribed and can't wait to see more.

[@buryitdeep]

If it says Disney, Marvel, or Netflix, you can confidently give it a solid pass.

[@TtotheCizzel]

I'l always remember a sociology lectured responding to "The standard set for male attraction is too high" with "yeah well there is a lot of making up to do for how women where treated for so long". Literally like a revenge driven mindset going on

[@MasterBlaster220]

Here is the redpill for you: Unlike women, MEN dont care at all what some other people or "society" expects from them. Its called backbone.

[@ryanc1451]

Awww, are women treating you how you've treated them over the years? Tell us more about how that hurts your feelings and leaves you in fear of revenge driven reprisals...

[@sylviam6535]

People need to understand and that these liberation and equality movements are based on an oppressor/oppressed model and are ultimately looking for revenge.

[@sylviam6535]

@@ryanc1451 - Oh yes, these movements are so powerful that they need the government to put the thumb on the scale for them at every turn… These movements are getting pretty close being put in their place. Of course, these idiots will be the most surprised when that happens. You’ll be one of them.

[@nordic_gamer_1438]

@@ryanc1451 Estrogenated take

[@TheMissing8]

I would add Northman to that list of movies alongside Top Gun. I can't imagine any other director in Hollywood taking that story, considering Netflix made a spin off Vikings show and turned a historical Viking character into a black female.

[@monkfishy6348]

The Northman didn't do well at the box office.

[@bakerhewitt2323]

@@monkfishy6348 so? It's an incredible movie

[@budigunawan5624]

@@bakerhewitt2323 no it isn't. unintentionally funny at times.

[@Zerradable]

@@bakerhewitt2323 nope.

[@psycho_chicken_9589]

maybe i had too much expectations regarding The Northman, a one time watch for me...i would point out Dune, loved everything in it, it just felt short, i wanted more and more...super happy the studio gave the go ahead to make the second part.

[@Ider4_Ever]

Seeing the drinker without his iconic sunglasses and bottle is like seeing Bruce Wayne without the suit!

[@kevinhardy8997]

I don’t go to movies anymore, if I need a political lecture, I’ll go to an election campaign.

[@Primo420]

The constant bombardment of politics in modern movies has almost destroyed my love for film - I rarely watch newer movies. If you want/need to see a strong female character in a film, go watch Misery godamn it!

[@jorgem.1564]

Same here Starting during covid I went back and watched a ton of old movies. I still do. Rarely watch newer stuff.

[@lescorlett4133]

Ripley in Aliens does it for me.

[@grannyannie2948]

I have always loved Gone With the Wind. Which is over eighty years old.

[@Orbweaver-Creations]

@@lescorlett4133 nailed it.

[@barbarabaker1457]

Searching for Bobby Fischer for me. Probably too feminine and traditional for most but I loved that woman.

[@michaelhampner7672]

One of the well spoken movie critics on KZbin. Love his channel.

[@followertheleader]

Terminator dark fate is the perfect example of forcing "the message." They completely scrapped established characters and lore to insert characters they wanted. The main story is basically the exact same thing as before with some tweaks. All you are seeing is the writers hubris on screen rather than an interesting story.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

There’s an agenda.

[@matthewatwood8641]

The American dream isn't that you can just magically do whatever you want. It's having the opportunity to make your own way.

[@greebj]

When I took the family to see The Last Jedi at Imax I was livid. All I could think for the last hour was "I gave them my money to sit here raging at the retardation of the plot and all the characters in this movie " It was and will be the last cent I ever willingly pay for a movie. Parody we would laugh at 30-40 years ago is straight faced storytelling now.... The "tis but a scratch" skit with the Black Knight was a funny. Whereas a gutting with a lightsaber caused Reva a slight limp and some occasional constipation face, and it was supposed to be believable

[@Paulomedi]

Almost the same here. When I exited Last Jedi, I knew for sure that I wasn't the target audience anymore. I wondered who was, till I started noticing them on the internet. Since then, the only two movies that I watched on theaters were Alita Battle Angel and Top Gun: Maverick.

[@thirdmeow2270]

It's all about weak men and strong whaman.

[@seanthomas1552]

@@Paulomedi Kids....its always been kids...you manchildren.

[@colz848]

I had seen it coming for a good while before last jedi, I had the same feeling watching the farce awakens, it was getting amazing reviews and I was sitting watching it thinking it was just a really bad attempt at a remake of a new hope, never been back to a cinema since

[@Temptation666]

Never seen Last Jedi. I was 13 in 1977 when i saw Star Wars in Cinema for the first time. I have been a fan since. But when the boys and i went home after The Force awaken i told them i would never watch another Disney Wars. Saved me a lot of pain i think.

[@AshPrimeDCFC]

Amazing! Probably my favourite KZbinr. Been subbed since he reviewed the final season of Game of Thrones and he's gone from strength to strength since. Can't wait!

[@Ghost101]

24:30 Anthony Mackie also said something true and similar to what Critical Drinker was saying during an interview a while back. Back in the good old days, people will watch a movie because their favorite actor is in it. Nowadays, people watch a movie because their favorite fictional character (not the actor) is in it.