The Sad Tale of The Rings Of Power

With the release of ANOTHER Rings of Power teaser, I figured it might be fun to look back on the sad story of Amazon's ill-fated Lord of the Rings TV show.
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[@kirby7294]

If 10 years ago you told me that a Halo show, LOTR show, and Obi-Wan Kenobi show would happen in the same year, I would have been beyond excited. Now I am only underwhelmed and angry. What a time to be alive.

[@Chkprofilename]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TJipxta5hnqLc* Finally its for you

[@jamescarr8196]

Imagine if they were good lol. 2022 would’ve been fucking AWESOMEEEE

[@gunnarhjalmarson8930]

Couldn’t have said it better myself and I’m a huge fan of all three genres

[@Dime_time333]

I wanna harm these bots account users.

[@timnor4803]

Well said

[@kathykrisko3228]

Having so many female warriors makes it seem common, which totally negates the incredible thing Eowyn did, and why it was so unexpected.

[@spacegirl226]

I wish I could like this comment more than once!

[@wwe12153]

This is a good point, they are literally destroying the core of the world

[@jashloseher578]

Absolutely.

[@abeartheycallFozzy]

And her character wasnt a super skilled fighter. She was terrified at the start of the battle and the Witch King was toying with her before Merry distracted him. Makes what she did even more admirable and brave. And realistic, for a fantasy story.

[@basilmcdonnell9807]

Also, as Critical Drinker implies, pretty damn unlikely. Medieval swords are too heavy for most females to lift. It's absurd. There's a reason women didn't take a place in the shield line at the Battle of Hastings. They would have all died, and the men around them too.

[@DrDolan2000]

"It has only the power to destroy" - Frodo Baggins. In reference to the ring, but he could've been talking about Holloywood, Amazon, or modern societal mindsets and he'd still be correct

[@theartemisgland]

You dont get it do you? The one ring to rule them all has the power to destroy is an allegory for centralised control that only destroys. In this case the centralised wealth of a production multinational corporation that ruins the very source of its criticism.

[@kavky]

@@theartemisgland Imma be real honest with you chief, any criticism of corporate capitalism made by Marxists is as soulless and empty as the corporations you criticize.

[@r.henryjr.1533]

If Mr. Marx here is being serious, I would like to point out that Tolkien hated allegory so that wouldn't make any sense, if it's not a joke of course. As for you Kav, you're not even saying anything, that's just ad hominem. Overall I give this reply chain a 6/10, too much water.

[@psychokinrazalon]

@@kavky Doesn’t make it wrong, though.

[@kavky]

@@psychokinrazalon It does though.

[@granpaNurgle]

I always loved the idea of Galadriel being such a powerful, borderline ethereal being that her presence alone was intimidating beyond belief. So of course this translates 1:1 into "SHE DOES A FLIP AND HITS PPL WITH SWORD" badass gymnastics because subtlety is dead and we aren't allowed to have anything remotely intelligent in the year of our lord Anno Domini 2022

[@rusebros09]

The fact they fired a Lord of the Rings and Tolkien expert for telling them they are ruining it. Says a lot

[@RuneKatashima]

Source?

[@Reignor99]

@@RuneKatashima I googled it. It's about an expert named Tom Shippey. The top google results are mostly articles dispelling rumors about why Tom left the production. So either it's all been blown out of proportion, or Amazon is doing great damage control by putting out articles to dispel the "rumors".

[@adamthorntonillustration9281]

@@Reignor99 Tom Shippey was featured in many of Peter Jackson's LOTR appendices documentaries. He's also a retired Oxford professor. Make of that what you will, but to me it suggests he's respected in the field and knows his stuff.

[@christiancividino455]

@@Reignor99 that’s called speculation and not verified information

[@Reignor99]

@@christiancividino455 Thankyou Captain Obvious

[@ElValuador]

The fact that all modern remakes hate their original characters is as mind boggling as it is frustrating. RIP all former great fiction franchises.

[@TrangleC]

Well, the "problem" is that all the old, good stuff was written by usually conservative white people. It is quite simple and easy to understand, actually. You just need a base line of cynicism to accept it as what it is. It is just a fact that black people haven't produced much of value, substance or staying power in the last 100 000 years or so and now they are jealous and need to rewrite and blackwash everything to pander to their inferiority complex.

[@PunishedlLongshanks]

It would be mind-boggling were it not for the fact that modern Western media is quite explicit about hating Europeans - especially men - and almost every aspect of our past culture. Big sigh.

[@Yesica1993]

It's intentional. They are destroying the entire culture. We are in a revolution and most people don't even seem to be aware of it.

[@samr8603]

Unfortunately it is as clear as crystal if you understand Narcissism. They cannot enjoy or understand what others love. So they have to take control and then change it to their beliefs. Leaving behind the husk.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

it's not mind boggling; there's a cultural war going on

[@MrMobieleauto]

“But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Ilúvatar, for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself.” - The Silmarilion by J.R.R. Tolkien

[@jessegrisham]

“But as the show progressed, it came into the heart of Amazon to interweave matters of they/their imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Tolkien, for they/them sought therein to decrease the power and glory of the parts assigned to hetero/cis/white males.” - The Sillymarillion by Wokeists

[@davida.taylor8444]

@@jessegrisham That is so true. Tolkien knew a thing or two about how evil works and we are seeing it play out exactly like this before our eyes.

[@redcrusader5168]

The biggest crime in my mind is that Amazon paid so much money for the rights while they could have paid a fraction of that amount to a top fantasy writer and gotten an entertaining story that would have fit the cast plus great dialogue and characters. Now they just made Rings of the Cringe.

[@Tenchi707]

Yeah😞

[@mrblobby6284]

they paid that money to shit on the source material because its all about tearing down european society and culture.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like." - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022) . Peter Jackson, interview GreenCine (Dec. 2002) - "There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."

[@hunkyhaggis2161]

Let's check her early life section on wiki.

[@fictiontheorizer1991]

You should never trust anything that happens at Vanity Fair. Pilgrim's Progress taught me that.

[@NitroModelsAndComics]

One statement shows reverence, the other was made by an Amazon employee.

[@Fe7Ace]

Peter Jackson's LotR films will be remembered fondly long after everyone's forgotten this show.

[@sianais]

That Lindsey woman realises that the world we live in (certain American states, and some western parts of Europe to folks like her) got their ethnic make up via specific historical events, right? Trying to fit that in a fantasy story based in ancient Europe is plain dumb. Where are the Mexicans? The native Americans? The Polynesians? The Filipinos? Why are they not included in this? Why not make the elves clearly Italian, accent and all, for the sake of diversity? Why are these people so mental?

[@TsunTzu]

Galadriel was terrifying in LotR. She gave off a genuinely fearsome aura that didn't, in any way, require her to be some "badass" fighter. It's that quiet, vicious sort of thing you'd associate with an ambush predator. Like a taut violin string being strummed- creating beautiful notes but always on the cusp of snapping. The people writing this garbage are, as most of their peers these days, totally incapable of anything remotely approaching subtlety or nuance.

[@johnyentes6643]

I don’t think subtlety and nuance exist in really any artistic medium these days. Everything is announced with a fanfare and in-your-face presentation because the goal at this point isn’t integrity or thoughtful direction of art, but rather just to be noticed. Our art forms today are a reflection of what society has become/is becoming. If vapid mediocrity is the status quo, it’s because the masses demand it.

[@SugerSprinkledFun]

Amen !

[@ecurb10]

"Like a taut violin string being strummed- creating beautiful notes but always on the cusp of snapping" - beautiful! Describes her exactly! And yes, that was power enough for her, without having to be some fighting warrior.

[@sbird8675]

What drives me crazy is that the whole 'strong female character" thing is actually super sexist. It basically says that if a woman isn't strong in the same way as a man then she's not actually strong. It completely shits on feminine types of strength. Galadrial is powerful in the original Lord of the Rings/Silmarillion because of her mystical abilities- as you put it her "genuinely fearsome aura". Making her yet another punchy, kicky, stabby hero spits on Tolkien's characterization of her and women in general.

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

@@sbird8675 Especially when Gimli was insulted in the Court. Her interjection immediately shut people up. You could almost literally feel the tension, and sure as Hell felt more than just because she was the Lady of Lothlorian.

[@willmcgee45]

I love how Galadriel, after she plunges her dagger into the ice cliff and is supposedly hanging from it, visibly relaxes as if she is, oh I don’t know, standing on a platform or something. 😂

[@pigeonsil240sx]

not to mention holding on with steel gloves her hands would lose grip and slide off

[@midgetydeath]

I thought something was strange about her body language. Thanks for putting your finger on it for me.

[@gerisaccomanno7422]

Biggest problem with this show is that they're compressing over 2000 years into less than 200. It would be like having Alexander the Great leading the D-Day landings in Saving Private Ryan.

[@RickAucoin]

The biggest problem is the unbelievable hubris they have in rewriting anything Tolkien wrote.

[@antoinelachapelle3405]

That's an incredible mental image, thank you hahaha

[@loiescudero1172]

I find it stunning and brave that Amazon is determined not to let Disney be the only ones to turn beloved franchises into dog shit.

[@Badchi]

Ahem. Apple with their appalling take on Azimov’s “Foundation” anyone?

[@aaronmicalowe]

4:07 despite the $bil pumped into it it still looks cheap. Apparently people walking in deep snow now leave no footprints. Amazon got screwed over by it's own contractors. I guess that's what happens when nobody respects how you got your empire.

[@kgpspyguy]

@E Van ok Fed.

[@danhle7999]

ya, like they did with The Wheel of time

[@manuelper]

CBS's Star Trek says hold my beer.

[@Higesgirl]

LOTR is the whole reason why I'm even into the fantasy genre to begin with. Seeing these uncreative vampires basically pissing on Tolkien's grave makes me so angry. The fact that they waited until his son died so that they could make this """"show""""", is genuinely disgusting. Well at least I can't wait for my favorite reviewers to tear it apart. I await the upcoming Unbridled Rage episode.

[@eol6632]

I wouldn't call them vampires.... vampires hunt and work for there meal.....I'd say leeches...they lazily attached to it's victim and slowly drain everything it can out of it Yeah leeches... seems appropriate

[@matthewronson5218]

Tolkien is singularly responsible for the Fantasy genre being raised to the level of critical acclaim in Literature. Previously, this was akin to a Comedy winning an Oscar for Best Motion Picture. Other notable works from GoT to Wheel of Time are the children and grandchildren of Tolkien's life efforts and work.

[@thorshammer7883]

The people responsible for this show can be summarized as this: "Be willingly ignorant, do as thou wilt there is no evil in what you do as long as you deem it right. Exalt yourself do not hearken or be humble. Make wisdom and meaning in your own likeness and vision." In short the commandment and narrative luciferians follow. Same philosophy Morgoth and Sauron promoted as they both are like Satan/Lucifer the fallen angel who was once a Cherubim of Eden before he fell. The exalted hurbis and hatred for truth to exalt yourself is terribly evil.

[@myselfandeye3884]

"Angry" and "disgusted" fking hell. Dramaqueen much? It's a fking show. You either watch it or you don't. I am not watching this pile of sjit. See how easy that is.

[@captainjimmy2306]

I am not a fan of lotr, but I understand how you are feeling. That’s how I felt about ready player one. Another great fantasy is nevermoor, and join me in the 3-5 year wait between books hahaha

[@PandoraKyss]

One of the main things that struck and stuck with me when I'd first watched Fellowship back in 2001 was how imposing Galadriel was. She was, to quote another comment, terrifying. On the one hand, on the surface level, she seemed calm and collected. She radiated a kind of stoic permanence. During an interview, British actress Olivia Coleman described Queen Elizabeth II as the dutiful rock of the British people, and I've heard others say similar things, that she's a living symbol of strength and longevity. Cate Blanchett's performance was incredible in how she portrayed a being that, while kind, is not to be messed with. A kind of Goddess that is willing to offer gifts but only to those who acknowledge their place in this world and show their willingness to be useful. It was pure magic. When Galadriel allows herself to be tempted, when she shows herself giving into her own flaws, we see her becoming like the humans who covet power above all things. She frightens herself almost as much as she frightens Frodo. That strength didn't require her to take up arms and the very last thing Galadriel would need to do is prove herself. No. It's you who must prove yourself to yourself in her presence while she looks on, guiding you with her eyes. Galadriel is possibly one of the strongest figures in the whole of the lore. Seeing her youth could have been interesting, but it looks like they are going towards a kind of Elvish Mulan. I was working at Blockbuster when Fellowship was released. Employees were given five free movie rentals each week but the free rental program didn't include new releases, so I had to pay for it. As a nineteen year old Pagan, I'd spent a lot of time researching various mythologies and lore, and so I'd naturally stumbled upon Tolkien. I remembered seeing bits and pieces of the old 1970's cartoon, and the name Gandalf was somewhat familiar, but Fellowship was my first actual and formal introduction. I was so ignorant to it that, when the credits rolled for Fellowship, I fully expected that there was a second part on the disc. I had no idea that it was the first in a trilogy, and let me tell you, I was HOT. Oh, I was damned salty. I enjoyed it so much that I didn't want it to end, and the very idea of having to wait for the next installments enraged me so much that to this day, over twenty years later, I avoid watching a series until it's all been released.

[@davitavandervelde6870]

So good. Love that last anecdote! The things LotR has done to us for life...

[@OfentseMwaseFilms]

Drinker Reviews are always next level thoughtful.

[@BoondockRoberts]

Galadrial was so damn powerful she needed no sword or armor. Having her emulate a man demeans her, not empowers her. Blows me away how ridiculous this is. The idea she wasn't already a strong female character shows they had no idea what a strong female is in the first place.

[@mitch9237]

This is the exact perfect criticism. I'm surprised I haven't heard it before

[@luggy9256]

Yep, she was one of the most powerful beings in middle earth, the only ones with more power were the wizards and sauron. And I’m not even sure all the wizards were stronger, it depends on their colour, because colour dictates their role, therefore the power needed.

[@alphawolves8809]

Totally correct.

[@dustman96]

It seems as if they stripped her of what made her such a powerful and daunting character. I really loved her character in the movies, but when I see her hanging off a cliff with a dagger the whole feeling of her character is lost in an instant. So stupid.

[@eyespy3001]

“Fake woman with sword make me angry.”

[@filmandfirearms]

Funny how they took one of the most powerful characters Tolkien ever created, one who was practically a living goddess, and made her basically indistinguishable from any other random elven soldier in the sea of bronze that was Thranduil's host in The Hobbit

[@nautilaz]

Good point. We had nothing bad to say about Galadriel from the movie or the books. She was portrayed in both as an all wise, not to be fucked with character and you respected that. It wasn't an issue her gender or role. Just a strong character.

[@annacanova7060]

They can't help but be a multidimensional cult of contradiction: feminism is necessary but not femininity, racism is evil but white men bad, culture is important but not whitey's so let's put ourselves in it. They deserve a massive failure, I really hope they do.

[@trequor]

"Women don't matter unless they are men." -Hollywood, probably

[@TrigonAZR]

My first thought about this Galadriel impsotor was that she's got no charisma or presence- just like that child in most recent terminator (forgot the title- one in which terminator does drapes)

[@waynehewett4017]

You have jam everything into a box to reflect today's gender politics and pushing the fucking message down our throats no matter the cost Gone are the days when you went to the cinema to escape reality for a couple of hours With China no longer proping up the studios movies Now you would attacking and pissing off any fans you have left is probably not good for your business?

[@N.i.c.k.H]

Just watched the first episode and it honestly looks like their main brief was to watch a few Critical Drinker reviews and try to create something that he could comprehensively rip to shreds after a third bottle of whiskey. And they succeeded! I tried to think of a single female part in GoT that wasn't better written and acted than ANY female part in this disaster, and I came up with nothing. The closest was Sansa in the early episodes but then she was supposed to start out as an emotional teenager whereas Galadriel is supposed to be ancient and battle hardened. Apparently Sansa grows up more in a few years than Galadriel does in hundreds. Go away now.

[@anduinlothar4003]

Love the part in the trailer when Sauron said " I did not hit her! It’s not true! It’s bullshit! I did not hit her! I did not! Oh, hi Elrond" goosebumps everytime.

[@davitavandervelde6870]

😂 Or where Galadriel said: "I'm gonna do what I wanna do and that's it. What do you think I should do?"

[@elzar5987]

Love the part where salron walks to the dwaves saying "I need your cloths, your boots and your balrog" Brings me to tears every time

[@TheresaMayPM]

I preferred the bit where she said 'I yam what I yam', then punched the octopus over the horizon.

[@desdicadoric]

Ahahaha 😂😂

[@genrose3643]

I just want to say, that as a woman, I'm sick of seeing female characters forced into male roles. It's so unnatural and always overdone. I'm not offended by the idea that men are stronger physically, and the fact that woman can no longer be portrayed and beautiful, gentle, feminine characters just kills me. I can't stand movies/tv these days. Just isn't worth my time.

[@Belerez]

Galadriel was a well-known warrior-poet-type. Unfinished tales has this: Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could. And there is also ...Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed. I can see her commanding as queen, and fighting as an elf-maiden but she never commanded as a general did, at least, not in Tolkein's legendarium. This series seems to be delving into the between-the-lines for its storylines, and made her a warrior-princess rather than the Most Powerful Sorceress On Middle Earth (after Luthien) we are more familiar with. Paraphrasing - the name her mother gave her meant "man maiden," and appropriately she grew up taller and stronger than all other lady elves, and was equal to men in athletic contests. She was said to be "of Amazon disposition," which in Tolkien's writings means "warrior woman" pretty specifically. Additionally, "Galadriel" is actually a nickname meaning "maiden crowned with gold" which references her habit of trying her hair in a braid around her head when doing athletic stuff.

[@alejandromartinezgandara2302]

The sad part is that there are awesome woman stories in the lore, But they dont care.

[@itsokimautistic3848]

@@Belerez you keep spamming those lies. unfinished tales are not canon, nor is the rest of what you are claiming true. Galadriel is a magic user, not a warrior, nor is she at the frontlines.

[@Belerez]

@@itsokimautistic3848 Whaaat? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@badxradxandy]

Am I shadow banned, can anyone reply to me

[@helwrecht1637]

Tolkien was a conservative Catholic. He wrote a bedtime story for his child that he turned into a mythology for England to use as a foundation myth, that’s his stated goal

[@fomorians]

Yep. He also stated he simply enjoyed telling a good story. He wasn't interested in making it allegorical or topical to current events, the exact opposite of what most creators are doing today.

[@davedogge2280]

Lenny Henry was a mainstream comedian who became an old elf in an Amazon Lord of The Rings series ...

[@robertlewis6915]

LotR was actually written as an adult fairy tale (he wrote stories for his children, but LotR was not one of them, even if his adult son, Christopher, helped with the writing process by reading the drafts DURING WW2), but otherwise you have that right. Roverandom was a children's story. The Silmarillion's first iterations were written on leave from WW1 in 1917, after his marriage but before he had kids.

[@justinnee1572]

@@fomorians lmao, the entire LoTR universe is an allegory of the Bible.

[@hhoi8225]

@@justinnee1572 It is literally not.

[@JourneywithBrandon]

The Lord of the Rings trilogy cost a total of $281M to produce before its final release date in 2003. Adjusted for inflation, the cost in 2022 would have been approx. $462.78M. This means, that the Extended Editions, at 11.5 hrs in length, cost $40.24M per completed production hour. Amazon spent $60M per 60-minute episode of the "Rings of Power" series, or a 50% larger budget per cph. After watching the first episode of "Rings of Power" last night, and watching The Fellowship of the Ring (Ext. Disk 1) tonight, it's abundantly clear that money isn't everything. Amazon should have spent that extra $20M on talent, writing, research, and hiring people that knew how to work with Tolkien's Middle-Earth. Without the "Lord of the Rings" branding on it, perhaps it could have worked out and been less divisive as a generic fantasy story - but trying to pass this off as a work associated with Tolkien is an insulting travesty. Honestly if this didn't have the Lord of the Rings branding, no one would have cared about it.

[@MultiMoste]

Actually, Numenor throne could be passed down to women and it had 3 Queens in its history. Would have had 4, but the last king of numenor was usurper who snatched it away from a woman. Ironically that would be the time period where the series takes place.

[@gabibraun2756]

Exactly. Thank god, at least one person knows that

[@NikoJr.]

Remember when Eowyn was all like "I am no man" and stabbed the Witch King right in the face? And instead of being cringeworthy, it was actually pretty badass? Those were the days...

[@arisel0v360]

Then everything changed when the SJW Nation attacked...

[@smithcubs]

I stopped caring about the Lord of the Rings when I saw that. It took all of the fun out of my sails.

[@pnut3844able]

@@smithcubs aaaaand no one cares.

[@smithcubs]

@@pnut3844able This is a public forum and I can post what I want, regardless of how people feel about it you bum. So, take your hurt feelings somewhere else.

[@jark06]

@@smithcubs why? It’s a perfectly written and set up moment. The witch king is told he cannot be killed by men. He takes this overconfidence into battle and it is his downfall and a badass moment cause Eowyn is a woman and the witch king is like ‘oh shit’ because he finally understands the prophecy. This is a perfect example of a well written moment. However in recent media a moment like this wouldn’t have any real setup it would just be forced down our throats. The witch king would charge into battle (no prophecy) and kill a bunch of guys effortlessly then instantly die to Eowyn as she lectures him about feminism or something. I guess my point is that these kinds of moments have always been in storytelling and media but recently writers have been getting lazy and not making the moment as in depth as it should be which makes it stick out and feel forced.

[@kri249]

"The rings of power is going to upset Tolkien purists, and that's a good thing." That's the equivalent to saying spitting in the food of your restaurants customers is a good thing. All these article writers and shill tweeters all make the same erroneous assumption, that we're just going to sit there and keep paying for it. If they're not going to silence their critics by going above and beyond in their accuracy and respect of the lore like they do, and thus give them nothing to complain about then why should I even bother giving it a chance. I'm not going to hate watch it. I'm just not going to acknowledge it exists. And you can't watch a show that doesn't exist. I highly recommend everyone else do the same.

[@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158]

Well said! I'm not a LOTR acolyte, read them when I was a kid and that was it, rites of passage and you grow up...right... This infantalization and arrested development that modern tv and cinema churns out today is why if we're talking modern stuff here so unimaginative and sterile, afraid to say something new or have an original thought because as the Drinker says the message comes first, years ago we would not of cared if Wilfred Owen, Fernando Pessoa, Wittgenstein were all complexed individuals sexually, today they'd push that front and centre as if that defines them...the whole idea that this is more important than what they gave to the world...herein lies the difference and is it any surprise our youth are completely lost and lacking in critical thinking skills.

[@joet7136]

I will probably watch the first episode trying my best to keep an open mind but my hopes aren't high. I don't like being preached to and from the previews and the producer's comments it already feels lile they're preaching.

[@mouselim72]

As I had said before, my visions, memories and knowledge of LoTR stops at the books and to a certain degree, the LoTR trilogy by Peter Jackson (he changed some things too)...

[@arthurhogarthur4294]

This comment proves you know it exists, so the show exists, and you can watch it.

[@randomobserver8168]

As soon as I hear something is a good thing, or someone asks if we can talk about something, or someone says something is the thing we need now, I tune right out.

[@ziephel-6780]

Morgoth/Melkor: "It felt only natural to me that an adaptation of Eru Illuvatar's work would reflect on what Arda actually looks like."

[@thelvadam7450]

This is literally a cruel joke. Let's consider Galadriel, one of the most powerful characters in this series....and still, people act like the women have no power here. "I am no man" and the subsequent attack means so much to me. Anyway, all of it is underestimated and viewed rather lowly. I wish the best of these desperate beings to be gone. It's totally insane.

[@taelorpickel2830]

She is most certainly one of the most powerful of the Children of Iluvatar. But she is not in the list of even the ten most powerful characters in the series, unless you speak of strictly Lord of the Rings [Third-age or Second-age], then yes, she would be.

[@antoinelachapelle3405]

@@taelorpickel2830 okay but even if she's only in the top 100 most powerful of the entire damn world, that's a pretty powerful woman lol, literally millions of people and other intelligent beings live in middle Earth

[@benjaminjeffery6873]

“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren’t going to any of our own messages or our own themes into these movies in a way, we were trying to make these films for him [the author], not for ourselves.” Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh - 2001

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

Too bad he still had to throw in his own nonsense, as "subtle" as it may be...

[@reek4062]

another peter jackson fanboy Edit: anyone who has read the Lord of the Rings knows that PJ took extensive liberties with LotR. He didn't just cut things from the books, he added unnecessary bs (Faramir taking Frodo to Osgilliath, Aragorn's fake death, Elves at Helm's Deep), he degraded characters (Frodo, Merry, Pippin, Aragorn, Denethor, Faramir, Gimli, Legolas, Gandalf, Treebeard) and missed the spirit of the books (too much action and no Scouring of the Shire).

[@robertdouth8979]

@@Wolf-ln1ml It's impossible not to have some, but you have to at least applaud as honest a telling as could have been accomplished given it had to fit into 3 movies cleanly. At least he didn't Hobbit them bitches.

[@Rlyeh_The_Dead]

@@reek4062 Better than an Amazon shill :/

[@wesp5]

That's a complete lie! It's called "Peter Jackson's LOTR" for a reason because he wrote as much of him into it as he dared, ruining a lot of great scenes (Frodo at the ford, Gandalf falling, Rohirim attacking down a slide, Oliphant-AT-AT-copy battle...), characters (Frodo is a weakling, GImli is a comic relief...) and even locations (Golden Hall without a golden roof, Minas Tirith like the Babylon Tower...) while Tolien took years to get these things right and even draw pictures. At least in "The Hobbit" with Radagast having bird poo in his beard and driving a slate everybody should have noticed that the goal never was to stay close to the books, but to make the most money out of it. It's only natural that Amazon would take the next step...

[@leftyfourguns]

Why is Galadriel suddenly looking like an 18 year old Arya Stark roaming around in armor looking for things to kill? At this time she should be around 4,000 years old and is a well established and respected leader. Not a recent high school graduate eager to prove how much of a big girl she is.

[@MalleusIudaeorum]

MUH WAHMEN STRONK AND BOOTIFUL AND NEED NO MAN 💪 DEAL WITH IT YOU IST AND PHOBE! THE RINGS ARE FEMALE!

[@ShadowSonic2]

Because she's a young looking Elf Woman? She doesn't have to look like what you think she would.

[@Leathal]

Nice cherry-picking, reply guy shill. OP was clearly talking about the overall presentation of Galadriel not meshing at all with her established character of a FOUR THOUSAND YEAR OLD sorceress born outside Middle Earth and the inspiration for Feanor crafting the Silmirils. There should be very little difference between her characterization in LoTR and this new Amazon garbage - if anything, she’d perhaps be more trusting at this point, which is the exact opposite of how the trailer portrays her (arguing with her future son in law like they were peers hahaha)

[@Leathal]

TLDR: she’s an ancient Elder Stateswoman Sorceress, not frickin teenage Joan of Arc but with more angst and girlbossery

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@Leathal So you base her entire personality off of her arguing with someone, woe And she's immortal, she can look as young as she wants

[@Victor-wu1mu]

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” - JRR Tolkien

[@reek4062]

false quote commonly used by fake fans. Tolkien never said or wrote that.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

@@reek4062 Shut up Eunuch, we all know he inserted it in the book through dialogue.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

​@@AxenfonKlatismrekyeh lotr ring ifvpowrr is not most b,ov atemt it renvdntin lord ofvring trilogy is like five star resttrsunt whre rings if power I mo toby more lik hsving bad e period e after eting it sat taco bell

[@brigidsladky6707]

Actually Númenor did have ruling queens which is why Tar-Miriel is such a tragic figure. She was the rightful heir to the throne, only to have the crown and her hand in marriage stolen by her evil cousin.

[@Zac_Frost]

"The past is dead. We either move on or die with it." I find that ironic coming from a show that exists solely to milk money out of people based on their nostalgia of the *past*

[@skyintatters]

Also one of the themes of the books is that the past was not just over and lost but *better* and all we can do at present is decline in general.

[@jamescam04]

Maybe the producers think that Kylo Ren is a character in this mythology. If that is what they think they are mistaken.

[@thorshammer7883]

This is a mindset that can called this: "Be willingly ignorant, do as thou wilt there is no evil in what you do as long as you deem it right. Exalt yourself do not hearken or be humble. Make wisdom and meaning in your own likeness and vision." A doctrine which luciferians would follow and advocate.

[@WhoTookPlockrock]

@@skyintatters To be fair, that was only so for elves (and dwarves to some extent.) Men and Hobbits were doing pretty well for themselves in the Fourth Age, and Tolkien is explicit that there's a mystery as to what truly becomes of Men's souls when they die, unlike the very real and understood doom of elves.

[@waynehewett4017]

See movie studios are a business like any other business They produce a product Like buying a toaster from Kmart But alot more expensive Studios expect customers to buy their products Attacking any one that complains or has criticism against their products and calling customers names like rasic trolls Emagine going back to Walmart to return and item for a refunds cos it crap and the Walmart customers service manager abusing ,threatening and calling you names just cos they got butt hurt you saying thier product was crap Can you Emagine the shit show that would happen? You would be calling the cops and lawyer on them This is no different to what the studios and actors are doing to the fans Is not good for business and customers will go elsewhere I think both studios and actors have forgotten that very important point

[@uzytkownik15]

As a woman the whole empowering shtick is so upsetting to me, it teaches young girls to be violent, bitchy and always in the opposition to "the men" and that they should be dominating any situation they're in. It's toxic masculinity on steroids. Compare this to studio ghibli films, with tons of main female heroes, who struggle trough difficult situations without ever losing who they are.

[@queenberuthiel5469]

Right? Studio Ghibli also know how to portray "strong" women. I mean in a physical sense. Examples are Lady Eboshi and San in Princess Mononoke. Even if Lady Eboshi have questionable methods and goals, she is still a strong woman who men and women alike in her land greatly respected. She does lead assaults and does carry a gun but she's not the typical "flashy show-off warrior who have the highest kills" She is just what a leader is supposed to be. Treats her subjects with equal respect. She also rescued people that society treats poorly (the prostitutes and those men in bondages/have terrible illnesses) and gave them second chance at life. The only time she fights one-on-one is with San who's literally a girl. And San, the wolf princess, doesn't overpower grown ass men either. It really shows that one can make female characters look "strong" but in a more believable way.

[@JohnDoe-kg6gy]

Women in power feminize societies make them weak, incompetent and emotional. Current results speak by themselves. Just have a look at Sweden, UK or Canada. When the heat is on and shit hits the fan, just look who fight and solve problems. Hava a look in Russia, Ukraine, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, Chechnya, Korea, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Siria, etc... Reality is not an attack, the truth is not an offense.

[@armitagehux8190]

When you can't even give a definition of "woman" how can you write a good female character?

[@zidahya]

Please stop assuming the gender of young people who happens to have a female phenotype.

[@P.HATHCOX]

@@armitagehux8190 I wish your comment didn't reflect the state of things as well as it does right now BUT here we are 😞

[@yok0hama447]

“Because If woman are know for anything it’s having the size strength and physical endurance needed for medieval sword combat” 😂😂😂

[@2slaza250]

Everyone I implore you don’t watch it. I know a lot of people want to watch this just to laugh at it and say how bad it is but if we want Amazon to stop we must boycott it so they don’t have any excuse to renew it.

[@tymekbraciszewski447]

*cough cough* pirate it *cough cough*

[@thefunnychiptuneman]

lets start a movement to boycott it cuz the last thing i need it worst LOTR movies and shows

[@BattleKeks404]

can you give 0 stars on amazon if you didn't watch it?

[@felipesoares5900]

Ever heard of torrents, boi?

[@jennifermoriarty2188]

You know..just wacthing because its bad isn't a bad thing ..would be less stress on u if not worried about politics..you cannot control what they fed u but how u react/ absorb

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Remember Tolkien's words: _"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made"._

[@ohsteeev]

Not his words, but has the spirit of something he might write

[@notcrazy6288]

@@ohsteeev It's a paraphrase of a conversation in the Two Towers regarding how orcs were made.

[@aesir1ases64]

@@ohsteeev It has the spirit of something HE WROTE: Thats basically the whole story of the first age, Melkor (the real dark lord) is a rebellious child and wants to create his own things outside Eru's (god) intentions, so he goes searching for the imperishable flame that will allows him to do so, but he never finds it, and as such he cannot create anything but only corrupts and distorts it. Thats how Orcs, Dragons and other beasts were made, only God can create life and beauty (humans and elves actions trough God's intent).

[@ohsteeev]

@@aesir1ases64 Hence, not his words.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@aesir1ases64 a perfect description of today's writers and producers.

[@Idleshot]

being a hispanic I feel that my race in general is ultimately under represented but I don't go around trying to push hispanics into roles that were originally created a certain way. I don't want a hispanic captain america, I don't want a hispanic elf, I don't want a hispanic Leon Kennedy. I enjoy the art for what it is. What seems more racist? A movie that only has white people, or a movie trying to cram every single race like it's bullet points on a form.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

well, we know the answer to _that_ one!

[@Apex_Yonko]

Hispanic isn’t a race.

[@lithe.susurrous661]

I'm not Hispanic but I always thought it strange how underrepresented Hispanics are compared to blacks and Jews. They're way way more Hispanics in America then Jews or blacks.

[@Us3r739]

That’s the main problem with most media today. They try and include political nonsense and abortion and random culture and gay nonsense in a fantasy world. Is it a fantasy world? Or our world? ☹️

[@NRSGuardian]

Especially, when there are so many great stories and so much rich culture to draw from to create Hispanic media from. All the mythology and history connected to Hispanic culture is ripe for story-tellers to use to create something that most audiences haven't really seen before.

[@asinicw9906]

This reminds me of a funny post I saw on pinterest where they said how the word "influencer" carries all the menace of "evil royal advisor" and below that was a picture of Grima Wormtongue whispering in Theoden's ear. How relevent that idea has become.

[@joshuajoseph8924]

My favorite part is when Galadriel yells “THIS IS SPARTA!” Before push kicking the orc into the bottomless pit

[@abs7469]

As a woman, it's really annoying that these shows don't get that 'strong female character' doesn't actually mean PHYSICALLY strong, that's just pandering. There are so many other ways to make a 'strong female character'.

[@abs7469]

@Char YES. The thing about actual, non-pandering, feminism is that it’s for ALL women. You can be a ‘strong female character’ that loves high heels and lipgloss and has never fought someone in their life🙄 look at Miranda from Devil Wears Prada for example… if anything it makes the ‘strong female character’ less strong, cause they just mimic typically masculine traits and don’t have their own agency. (Sorry for the rant haha)

[@justmonika2345]

It's cheap, bad writing. We had Aliens in the 80's. It's a wonder why we can't make more Ripley's and Galadriel's.

[@abs7469]

@@justmonika2345 agree, just so so cliché. What was wrong with Galadriel the way she was originally written, wasn’t she ALREADY a strong female character🤦‍♀️

[@jacobj3933]

@@abs7469 Well you're correct in your og post. Tolkien's female characters were to embody the natural beauty of the feminine, and present the strength of the feminine, which differs to that of the masculine.

[@3ggshe11s]

Well, you're dealing with people who think men belong in women's sporting competitions. To them, "woman" is just a costume, which is why they can't even define what a woman is. So what else are they going to do but create a female character who's basically a smaller man with breasts? The woke are the most misogynist people alive.

[@greeneyes5099]

Leadership in Numenor passed to the oldest child it's only in Gondor where it passes to only men. It's in the Silmarillion. But Miriel does not get to be queen because her cousin steals the throne from her.

[@reek4062]

The drinker doesn’t care aboot the lore

[@kavky]

"The past is dead, we either move forward or we die with it." They really never read anything from Tolkien. The producers, writers, directors, none of them has even seen the cover of a book written by Tolkien. All their research was just skimming through quick resumes on wikia pages.

[@petravotroubkova1916]

I haven't seen a single episode, but WOW, this line made me stop the video and just stare at the screen. The past is dead? In works of Tolkien, which basically live in the past, sing about it, praise it and try everything they could to stop the past from dying? I hope they will have some character say "trees are boring, we should cut them all down" to really drive their point home 😁

[@kavky]

@@petravotroubkova1916 And the character saying it is discount offbrand Elendil. The Elendil who lead the Faithful and survived the Downfall of Numenor specifically because they stuck with the old ways while everyone else started worshipping Morgoth.

[@lyalllupin8789]

Let’s just all thank god that Lord of the Rings was made when it was made.🙏

[@moonlitskylight5740]

And was made by people who actually loved Tolkien.

[@Chkprofilename]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TJipxta5hnqLc* Finally its for you

[@chasehedges6775]

Peter Jackson knew what he was doing and he did it very well.

[@phil_5430]

I tell you that: you're god damn right. At this point I believe LOTR with so many other old good movies should be considered a treasure of the movie industry

[@Norbingel]

and Sauron would be a straight white man with a slightly orange hue and hair waving an AR-15 around

[@Gormfeld]

My Dad is a huge Tolkien nerd, and read the books to me as a child. He was so into the books, that when we were watching the movies, he would occasionally scoff or laugh at the things happening on screen, claiming "they weren't true to the books." When he saw The Hobbit, he was practically yelling "Oh come on!" at some parts of the movie, and he nearly walked out. Now I can't wait to see his reaction to this train wreck lmao.

[@chucknorris5788]

Oh man...for his health and safety, please don't let him watch this.

[@bugzyhardrada3168]

Chuck Norris is absolutely right dude

[@Palaecro]

@@chucknorris5788 100% don't tell him it exists

[@crowtservo]

My cousin is a huge Tolkien fan, we went to all three movies together and finally after ROTK, he said that it wasn’t terrible but he wished that they remained more loyal to the books because the stuff they changed was completely unnecessary.

[@janevinfel]

You need to film him watching it so we can all see it !!

[@darianromero3532]

I'm less mad about a black elf and more upset about the rest of the show. I was somewhat excited when I heard they were making this show but... After all this... I just... I'm so glad I got to watch The Lord Of the Rings in theaters. Hollywood is slowly destroying all of our favorite characters and shows and movies

[@salek991]

Actually there were Numenorian queens. This might be Tar-Míriel, the last true heir to Numenor before her throne was stolen by Ar Pharazon. See there is some liberalism in the books (although these were later edits).

[@Chocolate-wb1bu]

The first time i saw LOTR i thought Galadriel was a lot more intimidating than Saruman. A mysterious elven sorceress queen who can read minds, predict the future and has tremendous magical powers, and what do they chose to do with it? Turn her into a generic snarky elven warrior in plate armor. Might as well turn Gandalf into a leather wearing spear fighter while they're at it. Ridiculous.

[@timmythepinky9137]

Nah they'd probably turn him into an ordinary guy who can do "magic tricks". Oh and they'd also turn him gay for no apparent reason

[@frankjoseph6071]

gandalf aint part of "the message"

[@bighands69]

To make Gandalf truly diverse they would need his nippes to be showing through the suit and for him to have a black boyfriend. Or maybe they will make Gandalf the black boyfriend.

[@JohnDoe-kg6gy]

da lordz of da kangz ! das rite !

[@alecheskin9752]

Honestly, why not put Gandalf into some leather? Heck you'd probably get Ian McKellen back to play him even faster! /s

[@treadstone1138]

When I read that the showrunners FIRED Tom Shippey, who is a renowned Tolkien biographer, I knew this was headed for fuckups-ville. I can only imagine what he had to tell them to get them to fire him. More than likely the truth.

[@wyssmaster]

"Are you sure this is a good idea? Because it doesn't make sense" "Interesting you're fired get the fuck out of here"

[@samlee6749]

That just shows their arrogance perfectly. I can imagine the conversation aswell. 'We don't appreciate your facts and logic Tom, please leave the set!'

[@jonbaxter2254]

They hated him because he told them the truth...

[@felixmerz6229]

"We didn't hire you to hear your opinion, we hired you to hear our opinions back at us. There's the door."

[@aritzmartinezrodriguez1825]

He was fired because he did an interview about the series and supposedly violated an NDA (he didn't tell shit in that interview). Thats the oficial version. More likely than not they just wanted to get rid of him so they didn't have to deal with an actual based opinion about Tolkien's work...

[@raslipmugfrud2040]

I can see RoP Galadriel claiming the Ring for herself rather than refusing it

[@geuros]

I had goosebumps just by those few shots of Gandalf and Bilbo at the end of your video - such a profound effect has the original trilogy on me. It is timeless, I can watch it again and again. I can read the books again and again. I was so sure Rings of Power would be crap that I didn't dare to watch it myself and review like yours help me tremendously, thanks!

[@MindlessTurtle]

". . . no amount of money can buy what Amazon desperately wants: the loyalty of their fans." - very well said.

[@Chkprofilename]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TJipxta5hnqLc* Finally its here *YES*

[@bulleyes9059]

Doesn't Amazon produce a lot of great shows nowadays? The boys, the expense and invincible were all fantastics and some of the best tv show on tv in the last year, I liked reacher too and peoples seem to like the terminal list. I am all in for hating Bezos and amazon, but they do produce good tv. Not sure if this show is going to suck or not, but they have a good track record this year.

[@greytroll1632]

@@bulleyes9059 that is great because then they will notice the difference in viewing between these great shows and the bad ones.

[@archam777]

@@bulleyes9059 I liked the 1st seaon of "the Boys", but I can't bring myself to watch the 3rd seaon........I guess im still recovering from "I can do whatever I want!!!" I was in it at 1st because, at 1st glance, I thought "edgy action comedy", but now.........all I see is a "tragedy horror", not really into that. Ntm, every single "fight" is about as anti-climatic as they can possibly get. The best/longest one being when Butcher fought Translucent in the very 1st episode. Idk, maybe i'll get around to season 3..........just feel like I need to take a shower or something after I finish watching an episode, I guess thats why I stopped and haven't gotten around to season 3 yet.

[@r.c.8268]

@@greytroll1632 they have so much money, that no longer matter if a show is great or not

[@petkokrushev3840]

"The rings of power is going to upset Tolkien purists, and that's a good thing." that's a marketing disaster right there, whoever is responsible for this, should be fired immediately

[@thatonerandompersononthein9590]

"The people who are most likely to show interest in, and support our products? Yeah, they wont like it" LMAO

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

Even stupider is the PR behind intentionally making enemies out of your audience and berating them. While every fandom has its share of unsavory folks, it’s never a smart idea to lump all fans as being the same “toxic fanbase” just for disagreeing with your adaptation. Disney Star Wars made this mistake already. You’re supposed to unite your fans through their passionate love of the same franchise to maximize your profits, not play an asinine political agenda game to divide them.

[@ironsentinel6047]

They probably got promoted.

[@reek4062]

@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight Star Wars fans are toxic and piteous. They've spent months complaining aboot Reva even before the Kenobi series aired.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight They want to abuse the love for the franchise to ensure easy marketing potential. Yet they will switch on a dime as soon as any of that "love for the franchise" goes against their wokefest agenda. They just can't make up their minds on what they wanna do. Cater to existing beloved franchise fanbases or not? They want to take those fans' money while belittling them for being fans. It's so hypocritical it makes my brain hurt just thinking about such people actually existing.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

You know, if Rings of power was new fantasy setting created by the writers, it would be at least okay at best

[@rhondasaxion9900]

"Forget the past, it is dead... we killed it and resurrected it in our own twisted sick image... it was easier than actually trying to create something of our own after all..." said EVERYONE involved in this horror. :(

[@Kerosiin]

The good thing about living in this age of endless shit being pumped out by corporations is that my favourite review channels get something new to rip into every week

[@clogs4956]

@RedDot hello, infestation bot. Go away now.

[@LBrobie]

that's exactly what i was thinking. 🤣

[@fermentedcinema4892]

Made a little mockery of the rings of power myself! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5zXm2pjr76rbdU

[@vcdonovan5943]

Heck, some youtube review channels and podcasts get more viewership than these mainstream media dumpster fires so it's nice that said msm dump fires keep giving these independent content creators material to work with!

[@jdogg448]

Yep I spend my time watching these guys rip the shit apart rather than watching the shit, I just wish more people would stop watching this type of crap so it wouldn't get made in the first place :S

[@ninjaartist1235]

“Evil cannot create anything new, it can only corrupt and destroy what the forces of good have invented or done.” - J.R.R.Tolkien

[@Chkprofilename]

Finally it's here. *YES* *kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TJipxta5hnqLc*

[@Chkprofilename]

Fr

[@captain_context9991]

Thats exactly why I dont like "monsters" and "evil" in games or movies. Because they are a singular destructive force. They have no other function or motive. Which is so one-dimensional and boring.

[@thorshammer7883]

The people responsible and overseeing this show can be summarized as this: "Be willingly ignorant, do as thou wilt there is no evil in what you do as long as you deem it right. Exalt yourself do not hearken or be humble. Make wisdom and meaning in your own likeness and vision." In short the commandment and narrative luciferians follow. Same philosophy Morgoth and Sauron practiced as they both are like Satan/Lucifer/Gadre'el the fallen angel who was once a Cherubim of Eden before he fell. The exalted hurbis and hatred for truth to exalt yourself and by your delusional brightness is terribly evil. Baking lies and half truths to forge the paradigms of your narrative, false wisdom.

[@hallstadt]

@@captain_context9991 Evil is a necessary force, though. Without Evil, Good eventually disposes of itself. I would rather have Evil destroy Good, rather than Good destroy itself. It is, in this way, how Evil redeems itself; without Evil there would truly be no Good.

[@gallick0060]

I literally wanna rage and break things,I don't know if it's just me. The lotr franchise probably played one of the biggest roles in my life as far as entertainment and was a gateway to many passions and interests of mine.

[@Hoffmanpack]

This absurd reality is also causing me to want to break things, like my monthly sub to amazon..Amazon... why fund a company that obliterates the creation of a great writer with modern politics...

[@anastudio5248]

It's not just you, I'm furious

[@yok0hama447]

I can honestly say I belong to one of the biggest fans of LotR. I have read the book more than 15x, went 3x to the cinema to see the Fellowship of the Ring when it came out in 2001 and same goes for The Two Towers and 4x to Return of the King. I was so incredibly excited when they announced the series came out. Hoping on the best, Tolkiens world, hoping it would have 15 seasons or more. Im so incredible disappointed how they destroyed Tolkiens world you have no idea.

[@Jacob_64]

We still have the books and the movies to watch and no matter what happens now or in the future, remember that: All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost.

[@GigglingStoners]

Be careful with the books though, Amazon started slapping on advertisements on LOTR books for their crappy show

[@kw9849]

True gold never tarnishes.

[@Jacob_64]

@@GigglingStoners And let them be, because as what happened in the story when the White tree of Gondor was dead and there was no fruit or sapling that could let it grow again, but it was discovered in the white mountain by Gandalf (who was wise in lore and knowledge, just like the purists of Tolkien) hence the following: the old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

[@Krawurxus]

You're right, but also buy everything you care about on physical media. Anything you have on a subscription service or in the cloud can be changed or taken away. I recommend the second hand market for the books, I got a kickass hardcover LOTR triology from 1986 for like 50 bucks. You couldn't even buy anything new of that quality today.

[@Stinkyremy]

I know it is in nowhere near cannon but the shadow of mordor games do a really good justice to the lore, of course it is not canon but they kept true to the actual source material and with shelob, celibrimbor ans the wraiths they added some good story that any LotR fan would enjoy.

[@FugueState1]

"the company that killed more small businesses than the Great Depression..." You nailed it, mate!

[@spideydew20]

"Idiot McSquishy Face" I completely lost it. You, sir, are an international treasure.

[@FelipeMunay]

As a brazillian, the national debt part is totally accurate.

[@steeldom1619]

I'm so unbelievably glad that Peter Jacksons trilogy came out when it did and that I got to experience it in cinema. Unless something seriously changes in Hollywood which I don't expect to happen at all and even if not any time soon, I don't think I will get that experience ever again. So I'm really thankful for that.

[@benjaminjeffery6873]

This is exactly what I think every time I watch it. And I also think it every time I watch any other generic sci-fi / fantasy/ superhero film.

[@felixkaletsch8691]

I am so jealous of you! Experiencing the third in Theater would have been a dream.

[@JimmyRustL]

@@felixkaletsch8691 The only thing was it had such a long run time and I didn't want to miss any by going to the toilet. I was actually desperate for it to end 😂 I always thought they should have had an intermission in the middle

[@r0btech]

Yep. I remember experiencing the Moria sequence in the theater and just thinking “”this is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.” To when the audience cheered after Aragorn cut off Lurtzs head.

[@xagain3106]

Hollywood was taken over my The Marxist from Russia & Germany, long ago. There's no saving it. Purge it. "Nuke it from Orbit, it's the only way to be sure." was a direct message.

[@stevemyers3082]

Amazon probably paid KZbin more money to remove the dislike button than they did the writers who worked on this show.

[@BaddeJimme]

It looks like videos that mention recent big budget movies show up in feeds far more often than other content. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKXIo4R8n66taNE The hilarious part? I am swamped with "RoP is woke bs" videos. Far more than I ever care to watch. I have never seen a straightforward ad for it.

[@hamuArt]

luckily we have addons to show that

[@AntonVeliTajan]

There are browser addons which bring back the dislike count.

[@KAZVorpal]

Tolkien specifically said he was an anarchist. But that's the opposite of the crazy nonsense of Amazon today.

[@vfxtutswithdan1893]

How about this comment from a Yahoo review? "Even though it's set in the distant past, the series thankfully reflects the diversity of our present, boasting the most gender-balanced cast of any Lord of the Rings production yet". Sad that current thinking is that stories set in an imaginary culture from a distant past should reflect today's standards.

[@StriderDSC]

Just imagine the level of ego it takes to copy somebody else's creation that is widely revered by generations without the consent of the author or his son, while simultaneously slandering the shit out of the original material, and then insulting the people who loved it by labelling them as racists and sexists when they point out that all of the changes you've made have zero resemblance to what they loved. Sums up modern society, eh?

[@overgrowndwarf1628]

90 years of uninterrupted greatness, a story that a father was telling his son that got out of hand. A few years ago that son died, and the latest generation gains custody. Within a year, it has been corrupted beyond recognition.

[@brandong550]

It's nice to see some people still get it.

[@dianamgallagher]

Right! Cue the "Fucking hubris" clip!

[@koekaiking]

Postmodern nihilistic narcicism,

[@stormryder4305]

Sums up only to Amazon's "Super fans." Not the rest of modern society.

[@D2attemp]

They don’t need to push Elrond down in order to prop up Galadriel. The entire Tolkien community already has so much respect for her. All they are doing is ruining two great characters

[@ziephel-6780]

That's the point, they know exactly what they are doing. It is to demotivate, and destroy the passion for LOTR in the fanbase.

[@VeteranVandal]

Cate Blanchet played Galadriel for less than 15 minutes on screen and did an amazing performance everyone that watched the movies remember. Besides, she's objectively more powerful than Elrond in the source material because she comes from Valinor. If they took the time to show that alone... And if they mimicked the movies antics (we'd notice) it'd be a better show than it's so far. A 7. It might become a 6.5. It's into worse than the Hobbit movies territory as is.

[@user-H0000]

@@ziephel-6780 The tribe of david Seeks poison in the hearts of men

[@cakins1986]

@@ziephel-6780 You will own nothing, you will like nothing, all of your favorite fictional media will be ruined, and you WILL be happy.

[@JadedDragon662]

Have to constantly shove the "man bad, woman good" narrative down our throats.

[@spade3798]

I think most including me agree with you fully. One correction though, Numenor did have queens rule over them. This was because one of the kings was left with only a daughter as his successor. The law was then updated so that eldest child (son or daughter) would ascend to the throne. However this was seen only in Numenor as neither Gondor or Arnor had queens.

[@TheBangooman]

The Matrix, LoTR, Cowboy Beebop...so many of my beloved ip's getting remade...and I'm not watching a single one of them, who would've thought...

[@Hatoflegends]

Me enjoying Tolkien's books and Jackson's films for the first time: "Oh, a nice thing. I like that.' Me *remembering* Tolkien's books and Jackson's films *now* : "the world was fair, the mountains tall, in elder days before the fall"

[@Ryan-mech-muffin]

Nice reference

[@hammer1349]

"The wolrd is grey, the mountains old, the forge's fire is ashen cold. No harp is strung, no hammer falls, the darkness dwells in Durin's halls"

[@guillaumequevy418]

You know the Hobbit movies are Jackson's as well right? And based on a Tolkien book. They were bad.

[@davfree9732]

I reckon RoP is an attempt to craft a new licence that will be used to try and acquire the actual, real licence. This is smacking to close to how Star Trek went after the Alt licence was developed. RoP doesn’t have access to the source licence and so they bought access to what they could and threw something together. If their slice of the LOtR pie gets enough views and money, they’ll make a play for the whole pie.

[@VasiliyOgniov]

@@guillaumequevy418 I'd argue that they were not bad. At least not "shit" as a lot of people say. They felt much worse than they actually are in comparison to the LOTR trilogy (which is one of the best film trilogies of the whole fucking cinema) and, well, not a lot of films can really compare. They are not in the same league with their older brothers but still not a "trash". They had great music, nice visuals, good cast and overall these films were pretty pleasant to watch despite fucked up pacing, weak and shallow story and a lot of differences with the canon. I've watched them once, enjoyed, and never touched again. This new series, however, is seems to be much, much, much worse. I sincerely hope that it wouldn't be half as bad as we expect or else new generation will have pretty fucked up perception of Arda

[@EvilEye501]

The worst part about Galadriel's depiction is that they completely missed the entire point of her power, yet even the Hobbit movies, for all their (many) flaws and executive-meddling-inflicted shortcomings, got it pretty right- even if the context didn't really happen in the book. The point of Galadriel is that she is so pure and powerful that she doesn't NEED a sword, or indeed to fight at all; it'd be the equivalent of putting some spiky bits on the exterior of an atomic warhead. Sure it might make it look badass but it has no effect on its ability. No, Galadriel can literally unmake evil by her very presence- whilst it didn't happen in the book, the scene where she basically tells Sauron to get lost, to his face, AND WINS, is pretty accurate to the spirit of the character. She's not wearing a suit of armour or wielding a giant sword- she holds a purest light which causes the Nazgul to dissipate in fear and even repels Sauron himself, all the while telling him how weak he is. And it WORKS, because that's how Galadriel is supposed to be. She doesn't hit evil really really hard with a special sword until it dies- she literally commands it to get it to get out of her sight. I don't even want to call her a badass because that's underselling her; she's a borderline hand of god. But nope, gotta give the woman a sword I guess.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Well now I'm just sad. I've known plenty of people who could handle themselves in a fight, but there's something so much more intimidating about the type of person that's powerful from the inside, who makes you afraid of crossing them because you don't want them to see you like that. I guess this is what media looks like when it's telling people to respect and value women, but itself only respects and values people who can swing big stick real good :/

[@codinghusky5196]

@@eyesofthecervino3366 it's not even that. Galadriel basically depsicts that "manipulative b*tch" power attributed to women. Look at the mother in Northman: she's basically taken away from her family by the invaders and raped into submission to birth the king a son. ah but. She seduces the King's brother, has him f*** up the king, destroys the whole kingdom, loses them their land, and sends the few survivors to become pathetic sheep herders on iceland. Where she basically reigns supreme while manipulating the beta male that is the king's brother. She doesn't even provide him with sex, he's reduced to getting some from the slaves, and he's so weak even THEY refuse him. That's womanpower there, and that's what Galadriel does NOT do when offered the ring.

[@carno.5911]

she was a fighter in her early years in tolkins lore.

[@Johnny12575]

@@carno.5911 No she wasn't. She literally apprenticed under Melian. Melian didn't train her to be a warrior. She trained her to be a spiritual leader and a loremaster. And just because she is rumoured to have fought one time in her entire life, in Alqualonde, in order to escape from the battle doesn't mean she was ever an army general or fought like Arya Stark

[@carlosgaleotegandara7812]

Galadriel does not win against Saurons Spirit even tho it looked like that. Sauron let her defeat him in order to trick them into believing he was done while he was getting ready for war.

[@a.d.clarke4990]

7:45 initially that was true, but the law in Númenor was later changed to allow Ruling Queens. Miriel was supposed to be Queen but was forced to marry Ar-Pharazôn and he usurped the throne. I think Númenór had three Ruling Queens or something. 👍

[@johncongos1949]

'Idiot McSquishyface' (Elrond) Caught me off guard and now I can't stop giggling like a schoolie every time I think of it.😂

[@DaBigArmyDude]

Tolkien will outlast these destroyers and usurpers. The silly “influencers” who “love” LOTR will forget about it faster than they hyped it and the true fans will return and claim the throne again.

[@Yesica1993]

Yes, thank you! I just feel sorry for any younger people for whom this will be their first exposure to it. But maybe it will lead them to the original 3 Peter Jackson movies and especially the Tolkien books. They will then see what crap they were fed here.

[@chogan73]

Jesus christ seeing those "influencers" was the most cringe thing I've ever seen.

[@AltoStratusX1]

"It’s like in the great stories Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy. How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened. But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer."

[@SamtheBravesFan]

I do believe that. The grifters will get bored and move on and the fans will stay.

[@aniellord7088]

If they really want this franchise to be diversed, then we need Palm Tree Ents!

[@wazzzaap8243]

sooo good this one :))))

[@martineshamzin7535]

Im crying!!🤣

[@wammbarro]

The coconuts will be censored

[@georgeuferov1497]

That requires being original

[@turridanrobo4051]

Or Pee Wee herman

[@musikSkool]

Do they have in-house critics that understand the core story that the franchise revolved around? Surely there has to be SOMEONE in a multi-billion dollar industry that knows good when they see it, and has the guts to tell people when something is hot, wet, steaming dog droppings.

[@pixelboom3d690]

The original LOTR Trilogy was ignited by a creative mastermind, who had a huge admiration for Tolkien, and a dream in his mind. He tried to convince big studios to trust in his dream and in the abilities of his team of artists. What happened then? The result blew us away. Rings of Power feels so soulless, that i barely could finish watching the first episode. Good visuals and effects are so common nowadays, that the quality of the story, the storytelling etc. are more important than ever. When will they ever stop flooding us with soulless, lifeless high quality visuals?

[@shadymerchant1198]

Christopher Tolkien hates the trilogy calling it unfaithful pop culture garbage "They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” But yeah dude totes you right

[@skatemetrix]

Tolkien was a genius, a polygot, a great intellect, extremely religious and one very hard-working man- it is most extraordinary that he was an Oxford professor, a soldier who survived in WW1, extremely skilled in languages, incredibly versed in history and myth, AND had the creative ability to use all that to write something new. And to faithfully adapt his work in films requires geniuses, dedicated people and a small army of well prepared writers, producers, actors, set designers, craftsmen and many others. The Rings of Power creators just laid manure on all that and think they can write their own thing- "Based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien". It is folly and it's as false as the lies of Morgoth and Sauron.

[@mish375]

Don't forget, he was a polyglot that also fought in WWI and understood the sacrifices soldiers made for others. These hacks can't comprehend the work that goes into learning languages or fighting for your country. Rumour is he was also writing while serving.

[@charliecharliewhiskey9403]

The writers or at least their political commisars are highly likely to have been active fanfiction writers a decade ago. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with fanfiction, but the online culture 10 years back was such that you could NEVER critique a fanfiction's quality, which led to ONLY positive comments from dullards who would be impressed by sack cloth. When you take an "author" like that, exposed to that environment during their entire adolescent foray into writing, and then heap on ideological biases, you get exactly the sort of entitlement that makes someone thing their excrement is worthy of being an official add-on to a masterpiece. Same thing happened across the arts over the past century. Was merely accelerated by the Internet.

[@skatemetrix]

@@mish375 Tolkien DID write the earliest tales of the first Silmarillion whilst sheltering in the trenches of WW1- the Tale of the Fall of Gondolin was written in 1916.

[@thorshammer7883]

The people responsible for this show can be summarized as this: "Be willingly ignorant, do as thou wilt there is no evil in what you do as long as you deem it right. Exalt yourself do not hearken or be humble. Make wisdom and meaning in your own likeness and vision." In short the commandment and narrative luciferians follow. And both Morgoth and Sauron are like Satan who refers to himself as Lucifer and was once known as Gadre'el the Cherubim before he fell.

[@andrewjazdzyk1215]

Tbh I'm not sure being extremely religious (while obviously influenced his work) is an achievement or accomplishment worth pointing out in his list of qualifications

[@JoeTheLion60]

We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves. - Peter Jackson

[@EspatiallyGood]

Did Peter actually say that? Wow.... Quite a different attitude and one that should be applauded. Amazon and Disney seem to be trying to do the complete opposite these days.

[@luxintenebris1776]

@@EspatiallyGood Yeah, he said it during an interview.

[@pizzasharkguy3807]

And that's just what they did. Enormous respect for him and the insane effort that was making the film (like making edoras alone it's insane)

[@Person-wz6iy]

Amazon don't own the TV rights to the Silmarilion. So I hope Warner Bros can buy them.

[@tinkertailor7385]

I have completely given up on the film industry. I used to go almost every week.... I don't waste my money on new movies anymore. I've gone to a Cinema just once in the last 3 years... When the film industry decides to get back to producing entertainment. I'll watch it again.

[@lawrencemckenna6249]

"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery." - J. R. R. Tolkien

[@darahanrahan2864]

Good ol dwarfs though They definitely have the correct language 😂

[@grimnir8872]

Lord of the rings is deeply rooted in English History. It is a love letter to the thematic beats that founded England as a country, from the Mythological ideas of King Arthur, the migrations of the Saxons and even the politcal and ethnic divide of the Norman "High men" and Saxon "Lower men". All these themes are English to the core, which is reflected in Lord of the Rings. Fundamentally, encroaching Lord of the Rings with identity politics is to prove the culture of English people is no longer to be owned by them, it is to be cut up and distributed as everyones. Rings of Power is fundamentally Anti-white and anti-english.

[@dmtaboo_truth7052]

Also European history at large. The Charge of the Rohirim is based on the holy league riding down from Europe to liberate the hopelessly besieged city of Vienna from the Turks (Gondor and the orcs).

[@metalassassin8841]

@@dmtaboo_truth7052 🎶then the winged hussars arrived!🎶 But yea, Tolkien didn't only get inspiration from the English folklore but the whole Europe, just sayin :)

[@gianna526]

I really don't understand why there NEEDS to be a bunch of different races. It should be ok to occasionally have a story with a cast of one race, especially if there's a reason to. There are movies/shows with all black casts, made for black people, about black issues, and that's perfectly ok. Not everything needs to include everyone. And plenty of black people absolutely love Lord of the Rings.

[@furryfury.]

As a PoC, I agree. What’s scary is forced diversity creates even more division as it creates resentment amongst the ‘disrespected.’ I feel like forced diversity is mostly about vengeance against colonialists and that sort of mindset is humanity not moving forward.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

So basically what's actually busy happening in England.

[@danielfaraoanu9515]

Really sucks that Christopher Tolkien, J.R.R's son died probably knowing that The Dark Lord Bezos would tarnish his father's legacy and would even make GoT season 8 look pretty decent

[@Nomadmandude]

They are ruining them on purpose. It's the only thing I can think of. "Lawd o dem rangz".

[@Scodigy]

The strangest thing about Galadriel is she literally gave me a more uneasy feeling than any other character in LoTR. And when I finally saw her on screen it only reinforced that deep down uneasiness about her power as an ancient elf. The manspreading version of her in this 'off the rails' adaptation is laughable. What they did to her is accomplishing the opposite of their intentions, she has become a meme...Meh guhl Galadriel....as the "influencer" called her...is a joke. She was far more badass as that silent almost all powerful matriarch architype. As said in The Crow...a quote from William Makepeace Thackeray ....“Mother is the name for God in the lips and hearts of little children.” Yeah, she sort of had that aura. Almost like a motherly angel that could snatch your life away with a word of power. She was like lightning as you walked across a flat field completely exposed to it's frightening power.

[@AnoNymous-gn6tl]

Also, Cate Blanchett was perfectly cast for that role. I have no idea who this actor is in this new series, but she doesn't have the presence or charisma that Blanchett does. Whenever she was on screen, everyone's eyes and ears would give her their full attention. This new performance is just "insert female empowerment quote here". I'm guessing it's going to be a case of Jackson being a better storyteller in general as well. There's going to be a lot of "tell, don't show" as is the case with most modern "the message" movies.

[@akuladoctor7355]

If i were hellbent to put her in a battle, then i would have made it by creating a giant magical storm, that sweeps away her foes into the wind. A literal one woman army without the need for armor, weapon, or any of that manly strength. But considering the source material i wouldn't do that here.

[@FlorisDVijfde]

Really spot on. It's really as if the supposed "feminists" consider strength as everything that was traditionally masculine, completely ignoring the power women have had for centuries. They want to ignore all differences between the sexes. What we get are dull, annoying and ridiculous Mary Sues that don't appeal to women as role models and lazy writing. Because it takes more effort to tell about the more subtle way that women wield power.

[@AN71H3RO]

Writers, take notes. This is how you describe a character.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@jonbaxter2254]

I loved that feel she gave off in Two Towers. Stunning, but awe-inspiring too, like a rockslide or typhoon, a force of nature that cares not for me.

[@wolfo11]

I'm so glad the original LOTR trilogy was made in a time when people were smarter. I've got that to hang on to while I ignore this anti-Middle-Earth campaign completely.

[@snuffmeister6720]

the brilliant minds of the early 2000s, creators of such work as smashmouth and 9-11

[@anbu2]

@@snuffmeister6720 He's got a point. "The Flynn Effect" hasn't been true since the mid eighties, meaning we've had four decades of lowering IQs.

[@kanikagaral7637]

I swear. It was done with in time for us to enjoy a quality entertainment. Now its all woke and cringe.

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

Rings of Woker. As a German it feels wierd to think maybe we would live in a better time if Hitler wouldn't have lost.

[@IMBREISGAU]

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly where you live? I got something to deliver.

[@wackadakka3134]

Amazon : " you will consume the content , and you will be happy "

[@82dorrin]

We were pleasantly surprised by House of the Dragon.

[@tombraiderstrums09]

In 20 years, we’ve gone from “Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.” To “The past is dead. We either move forward or die with it.” The difference between the two is vast.

[@norwegianboyee]

Tbh i could see something like the second quote fit in the world of Tolkien with the context that the past ages usually were greater and had more strength in men, elves, and dwarfes etc. And that just dwelling on the greatness of the past would lead to no good versus moving on with the present. Not saying this bad looking show would do anything like that thought.

[@mjbull5156]

I have not looked into it, but is the character who says that supposed to be Isildur? Isildur being the son of the leader of the traditionalist faction of the Numenoreans.

[@j2oreill21]

Great insight into how the both the literary quality and core themes of the original trilogy are degraded

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

@@mjbull5156 Galadriel says it at the beginning of Fellowship

[@paulwoodford1984]

The Lord of the rings trilogy from Peter Jackson is all you need to watch. The best fantasy films ever made. They were made with Passion and love and Immense talent.

[@skyintatters]

Even better, read the original books.

[@Chkprofilename]

Finally it's here. *YES* *kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TJipxta5hnqLc*

[@JABoyle3875]

Best ever…at putting people to sleep. Just like any other Jackson movie all three could be edited down at least 30 minutes each by a competent director and lose nothing.

[@AllardRT]

@@JABoyle3875 Well I"m sorry you have the attention span of a TikTok user.

[@JB-qt4hp]

@@JABoyle3875 lol. Most people who feel that way are not very interested in the fantasy genre as a whole, and have almost certainly not read the books. Name three fantasy films that are superior to the LOTR trilogy. I'll wait.

[@danm7298]

Ive said this many times before but no matter how bad a movie or show is ppl will still watch it and say "idk i thought it was ok"

[@anastudio5248]

But this one is actually hated by too many people

[@danm7298]

@@anastudio5248 yea its just aweful lol

[@TheresaMayPM]

The 'super fans' promotion remains my favourite part of this boondoggle. What was Amazon's belief? Normal people would relate to those freaks? That likeminded freaks would come in large enough numbers to replace the normal people?

[@mattscott2664]

“There’s a reason why 26 of the most physically fit women in the Marine corps have failed out of this course and that reason is simple, when you put 120lbs on the back of a woman she crumbles like a fucking crouton.” Col. Frank O’Sullivan

[@raventamer99]

Oh, and it goes further than that: go look at some Navy SEAL videos and look at these guys half-dead from hypothermia. Even guys who could absolutely hump that very same 120lb flatout wouldn't put up with that stuff. One buddy said threw pee in another guy's face to snap him awake because he was shivering so bad and the instructors don't care. "What's three times nine? How many eggs are in a carton? What's the capital of El Paso?" "Blughtfdxvhj??" (pukes) "El Paso's not a state, genius!"

[@petrairene]

This is ridiculous. There are some jobs that require raw physical strength to adequately perform. Obviously only women who can fulfil the requirements can do that work. If none of them fulfils the physical requirements, none can do the job. Firefighting would be one of those jobs and infantry in the military is another. Just as a man can not just grow a uterus to be "equal" to women, a woman can not grow the more robust skeleton and muscle mass of a man to be "equal" to a man. The military has so many positions where a woman can serve her country just as well as any man can.

[@thanosnoctem4473]

@@petrairene Too damn true

[@HarrDarr]

@@petrairene to be literal, if not more. for every fighting soldier you need roughly 12 other personnel in the chain to do their job in everything from logistics, food production, clothes production, armament procurement, cleaning and so forth. think about it, only 1/13 people in the military does the fighting.

[@FireJach]

120lbs isnt that much for a muscular woman

[@toeray5864]

Why is Galadriel a warrior now? That's the total antithesis of who she is in LOTR. Her strength comes from her powers of foresight, her wisdom, and her crazy powerful sorcery. She doesn't need to kill people with swords or bows to be "strong." Everyone in Middle Earth fears her and knows not to cross her because it WILL be the last thing you ever do. This is like how Star Wars had to make Yoda bounce off the walls and fight with a baby sized lightsaber. Like Galadriel his strengths exist beyond the physical and they should be above that sort of thing.

[@SagaciousNihilist]

Because feminists have a inferiority complex towards men..

[@Apollo890]

And still no sign of her husband Celeborn. Apparently having a husband would make her less stunning and brave.

[@jonbaxter2254]

You know why...

[@queenberuthiel5469]

@@Apollo890 and a daughter A family. She have a family at this point.

[@scottxtapes9743]

Her courage and belief in Frodo throughout was very powerful and shouldn’t be understated, she played a massive role in getting Frodo to Mount doom.

[@canonicaltom]

After watching the first three episodes, I'm impressed that you managed to nail it just from the trailer.

[@rachelstokes1713]

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: ROP Elrond looks identical to Shrek 4’s Rumplstilskin.

[@r.hudsonmadeo5745]

There is one character we can absolutely guarantee will not be altered via "the message" in the new Rings of Power series. If Sauron makes an appearance, he will undoubtedly be a white male. What other sex and race would now be considered suitable for the character Tolkien stated, "came as near to a wholly evil will as was possible." A white male, of course.

[@breastmilkenjoyer5552]

Have you seen him? He looks like Eminem they gave him like almost a buzz cut.

[@aivokallo77]

Sauron will also make more money than any female character. Money and wage gap need to be addressed in the LoTR next.

[@zoebaggins90]

Yep.

[@MrSnake9419]

@@breastmilkenjoyer5552 That isn't Sauron - stop believing everything you read on the internet and go find out yourself before making yourself look stupid

[@nilocblue]

Of course, because he’s the evil dictator, he needs to be a white male.