Drinker's Chasers - Oh No! She-Hulk Season 2 Cancelled

In news that will surprise absolutely no one, She-Hulk star Tatiana Maslany confirmed recently that the $250 Million show will not be returning for a season 2. Who could have predicted this?

[@GIBBO4182]

An *episode* of She Hulk cost more to make than Godzilla Minus One

[@RambleOn07]

It's amazing what hiring based on merit can do.

[@macmcleod1188]

Almost twice as much. In fact since one show was probably low-budget, I bet most the shows were double the budget of Godzilla minus one.

[@dannypalin9583]

Considering how atrocious the CG for She-Hulk was, there was some laundering going on.

[@RambleOn07]

@@dannypalin9583 apparently they kept rewriting the episodes and needed to do the CGI multiple times, I think I heard that.

[@GIBBO4182]

@@dannypalin9583 there has got to have been something happening mate. Whoever is signing the cheques over at Disney seriously needs looking at!

[@titanicpat1275]

My favorite part was when Jen is released by police, mere hours after trying to murder a room full of people and then goes on to lecture men about facing no consequences in their lives.

[@nugsboodlepoo]

Ironic since men get much harsher sentences than women for the same crimes. And she's supposed to be a lawyer...

[@larryclowers]

Her client goes to jail for violating his release by transforming. But she was under the same restrictions and got no punishment

[@jayboy2kay7]

We have a saying here in Scotland. Usual from the usual. Women *always* get off with lighter sentences if any sentence at all. The *very* false idea that women are somehow angels in all aspects if life and deserve less punishment for arbitrary reasons, while men do not even get considered for having such reasons (or any at all) is abhorrent. If anyone wants to preach about “systemic” anything, it should be the systemic bias for women and against men… in every system there is.

[@theelder4797]

​@@jayboy2kay7👍💯

[@Neognostic-pk5wu]

​@@nugsboodlepoostatistically this is true for the majority of crimes. But if you look at sentencing terms for the most serious violent crimes (i.e. murder) it actually gets flipped on it's head and women tend to get harsher sentencing than average. It's weirdly inconsistent.

[@343smur]

Never watched the 1st season but I was really looking forward to not watching the 2nd. My day marches on.

[@krissteel4074]

The funny thing is that I don't think anyone ever liked She Hulk comics, they'd pop up over about 40 years and fade away to some kind of who-cares obscurity until someone else gave it a go and generally came up broke. I guess the latest attempt can just be thrown on the big pile of who cares

[@RambleOn07]

​@@krissteel4074she was relatively popular because she used to be a giant and sexy lawyer. There is a niche there but I think it would require a competent writer to get it to reach general audiences.

[@texasbeast239]

"And the beat goes on And the beat goes on Laddee daddee daddee dee Laddee daddee daddee die" 🎶☠️

[@krissteel4074]

@@RambleOn07 In another time, like 2005 you could probably just write it up as adult comedy with a stupid sexy muscle girl lawyer doing all sorts of stuff. Unfortunately its 2024 and we're not allowed to have nice things, like boobs or comedy and action boobs any more because it'll make the men act up. The underlying 'seriousness' of presenting the message kind of kills any kind of fun when really people should find the time to laugh at themselves and take the piss out of things

[@RambleOn07]

@@krissteel4074 true, we're not even allowed writers who can write court scenes in a show about a lawyer. It's honestly impressive that these companies make any money anymore.

[@gonzo6489]

Tatiana: "I've got no job." Rachel: "That's Hollywood, baby."

[@tailfin6595]

WEIRD weird

[@zhaoliang4217]

Knock knock -Who’s there? Tatiana… -Tatiana who? That’s Hollywood for you.

[@Andreas_42]

I think the Drinker has a part time job for Tatiana 😂

[@DonJuanDM]

🎻🎻🎻🎻

[@Noidstradamus]

well played

[@rexlumontad5644]

MCU She-Hulk: *gets cancelled with no Season 2* Everyone: "Oh no. Anyway."

[@MasterMalrubius]

So sad. Too bad.

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

I wanted Disney to lose more tens of millions. Disappointed. 😢

[@liamphibia]

Everyone: *Satisfied*

[@georgejones3526]

It’s like the audience reaction at the end of “The Truman Show”. “So, what else is on?”

[@bighand1530]

Yeah lol

[@johnstuartkeller5244]

The showrunners all admitted that they had no experience with comicbooks and comicbook characters, legal dramas, etc., nor love for any of them. They should never have been let near a property like this. And yes, they did the 4th-wall break that they had been told was a feature of the most famous She-Hulk runs. Knowing about it because you were told about it and told to use it as a cheap gimmick doesn't mean you know how to use it, and they amply proved that. Analysis: The showrunners' qualifications were their ignorance and complicency.

[@davidjsaul]

Netflix is no better with the Witcher and Amazon with LotR. The whole upper management of the entertainment divisions in those companies is incompetent. Them: here's your chance, why are you the best person to lead this multimillion dollar show? Writers and showrunners: I don't GAF about the source material, have no interest in following it and am happy to accuse any fans who don't like the show of being a bigot. Them: you had us at don't GAF

[@jessejive117]

OK literally nobody in Hollywood has experience with legal dramas lol that’s like .0001% of everything producing Hollywood probably. So that’s really stupid to point out and you don’t have to have experience with legal dramas to make legal dramas. It’s not that much more to it. It’s just incorporating some courtroom scenes. That’s literally it. There’s nothing complicated. And you can say well they did a bad job with so you can’t say it it’s not complicated. No they didn’t do a bad job with the show and you didn’t watch it. Lol. But I bet they did not say they have no love for comics or the characters and they probably did not say they had no experience whatsoever with all these things you claimed. Again, you just have someone who hates Disney probably lied and told you that and you believed it. Maybe they literally said this, but I doubt it. Maybe one person said it. But I doubt that.

[@stevenscott2718]

@@jessejive117 Legal dramas are a staple of american TV Law & order is/was massive. IB4 "tVs nOt HOLLyWoOd", Hollywood in this context means the establishment industry, not the physical location.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

@@jessejive117Most legal dramas use terminology associated with the Justice system and sometimes actually follow protocols and rules when dealing with the court system more than not. She-Hulk clearly had no idea how the court system works, how lawsuits or legal defenses work. The trademark lawsuit in the show was the crown jewel showing how they knew nothing at all. Most legal dramas or movies bring in advisors to be able to make it a little realistic. My Cousin Vinny is a great example of knowing how courts work.

[@ptonpc]

A half way competent writer would have said "I don't know about XYZ. I'll research it or ask someone who does" . Instead they boasted about coming up with plots to troll 'the enemy' and the food in the writers room.

[@AmitCinematicUniverse]

She-Hulk season 1: Let’s hate the audience and give them every reason to hate us back. Season 2: Why can't we continue?

[@katthunter6561]

The only reason I'm sad She-Hulk didn't get a season 2 is because I was looking forward to the Drinker and the panel roasting the fuck out of it.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

Poor Disparu;he's probably heartbroken. 😂

[@Uzarran]

@@zacharymcmillan2788 He's said as much several times.

[@jase276]

I was looking forward to not watching it

[@Wolffman109]

Testify, brother.

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

Yep, I was looking forward to not seeing it. I will miss Disparu and this fine panel’s take on it.

[@davidsummer8631]

Proud to say that I never for one moment thought about watching this show

[@Grubnar]

I did. I didn't watch it, but I thought about it. Back in the 80's, when I started reading comics, She-Hulk was a well written popular character. If they had made a series about her, it could have been a smash hit.

[@bighand1530]

I hear ya

[@30noir]

I am sorry to say I did. Back then I watched all marvel stuff - they've since cured me of that.

[@Lovicide]

Honestly, if you saw the She-Hulk twerking meme, you've basically watched the entire show

[@danskyl7279]

Same. I didnt watched any of the Marvel TV show. Did watch DD Season 2 + Punisher S1&2, they gonna ruins those characters as well in Born again do they?

[@SonOfmowgef]

It really ticks me off when these show makers say things like "Female characters were never going to be tolerated in this space". Conveniently forgetting that Scarlet Witch was well liked (at least to begin with). Black Widow was a fan favourite and arguably the best character in Endgame. Peggy Carter was well liked despite being a secondary character. The daughters of Antman and Hawkeye were fun characters at the least. Valkyrie was also well received (again, at first). It wasn't until later when other writers stopped them being characters that stood on their own strengths and weakness' and started using them as vehicles to deliver "THE MESSAGE" did people voice their dislike. It's just so easy for these people to say toxic fans hate female characters when they deliberately ignore the wealth of female characters that people really enjoyed.

[@mikelitten7489]

Exactly, it’s never been a woman problem, it’s been a woke perpetual victim woman problem

[@carlrood4457]

She-Hulk, at least as written and drawn in the 80's and 90's always blew all of them away in terms of actual popularity in comics. The whole point is she's NOT angry like her cousin. She preferred being She-Hulk.

[@zombifiedpariah7392]

I will never understand how so many "people" (more like robots) can actually sit there and say that IN THE MODERN AGE with a straight face and zero shame. It's genuinely fucking creepy.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

@@carlrood4457She was angry at the beginning, but as she lacks any of the emotional baggage of Bruce, she was able to master her new powers pretty fast. From there on, she was her own character and usually a well liked one, though mainly at home in teams. There hasn’t been any hate for She-Hulk among fans until the comics and the MCU tried to make her political instead of a character.

[@sonoftherabbitpeople4737]

Not to mention the success of earlier (sometimes much earlier) characters like Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Supergirl, etc. They are very self-absorbed and give no thought to what they are saying.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Watching Tatiana Maslany try to back-peddle has been amusing. Like watching a 2 year old trying to master a bigwheel.

[@GIBBO4182]

She was so aggressive and confrontational before…not so much now!

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

@onequickthing8950 Pure conjecture. And who the Hell is Rachel Zellweger? 🤨

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

She pulled similar shit on 'Orphan Black,' claimed the set was dripping with misogynistic hurrpadurrp because someone asked her out on a date during filming while she was strapped to a table. Yes, all those sexist misogynist types in _Canada._ 🙄

[@davidjsaul]

​@@The_Mighty_Fiction Disney's new Hispanic Snow White

[@bradcsuka5054]

@@davidjsaul Incorrect last name, but point is still valid.

[@Polo88Kai]

I read someone's analysis said the problem of She-Hulk's fourth wall breaking is that it also breaks the story. In Deadpool 1 & 2, if you remove all of the fourth wall breaking and jokes, it's still a complete and logical story, while in She-Hulk it's not.

[@macmcleod1188]

And also it's not supposed to be the key to the ending. It should have been a minor quirky aspect of the show .

[@rexlumontad5644]

Phases 4 and 5 are just a bunch of random sidequests after completing the main campaign.

[@chasehedges6775]

EXACTLY

[@thedirectorschair1054]

Released as overpriced DLC and full of gamebreaking bugs.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Side quests have purpose and phases 4 and 5 are just woke trash.

[@VinceLyle2161]

And you're so over-leveled you can't level up without grinding against lower level enemies getting 2 or 3 XP at a time.

[@EvilDoresh]

Worst. Postgame. Ever.

[@carlrood4457]

What's most annoying is if you've ever watched Orphan Black you'd see how talented and actress she is. Also, comic fans love She-Hulk, at least as she was written and drawn by John Byrne in the 80's and 90's. She's NOT all angry and bitter. She's fun and friendly. She LIKES being a 7 ft sexy powerhouse.

[@Mereologist]

Maybe she was never a good actress, but was led by a good director and supported by good camera angles. She herself still keeps insisting that 'She-Hulk' was a fantastic show and her performance in it was fantastic. At the very least, it demonstrates that she has no idea what those things are and if she acts well it is not on purpose.

[@robchuk4136]

​@@Mereologist Nah, she basically carried Orphan Black. She's legit good, ruined by the Disney agenda

[@martintimmer8574]

Nope,sorry,she acts like an amateur. Her face makes me switch channel in a hurry.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

and she wears "trans kids" tshirts

[@mudcrab3420]

Orphan Black was good and she was VERY good in it. For those who came late, Orphan Black was a show clones. Some 'bad people' - I forget the full plot - was engaged in making clones and Tatiana played ALL the female clones, all of which have dramatically different mannerisms and styles and often against her other characters. What is more is because of 'plot' at some times she played one of the clones pretending to be one of the different clones (again, been a while but there was one situation where Clone A needed to do something at the same time as finally getting access to her son, so she got Clone B and said, "Just wear my clothes and pick up my son after school and walk him home". It makes sense in context.) So yes, she CAN act. I give you that the scripts for OB do seem to be a lot better than SH. I also give you that it is possible to be a good actress and a Woke at the same time. Being a good actor does not prevent you from being a Leftie. BUT... Not only does the acting in SH look utter rubbish, but she comes across as an insufferable victim who did nothing wrong. Sorry sweetie, but you were the lead of this show. You have to take at least some ownership. Again, which is a pity cause in Orphan Black you were actually very good.

[@clintbeastwood5116]

"Oh, no! Wh- What happened? That's just terrible! Oh, no! How terrible!"

[@thecompanioncube4211]

Let me play the biggest violin I can find 👌🏻

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

The sarcasm in you is strong OP. Too strong.

[@englishlady9797]

@@LeonardoPostacchini Gets any stronger they might turn green....

[@philjones3824]

Jessica Gao is just a POC sock-puppet for the real villain Dana Schwartz. Way, way back (way before Tatiana Maslany handcuffed herself to this yech mishegoss, before Gao known) when the project was just announced, Dana got into a knock-down, drag-out fight online with a fan who asked how she was qualified to work on She-Hulk. Rather than say anything diplomatic or pacifying, Dana took the question personally and attacked the fan as a gatekeeper and a misogynist. The fact that she was never fired or made to apologize, or disciplined in anyway, led me to conclude that the rot was from the top down, and nothing good would EVER come from this production. FYI, I'm a huge fan of Tatiana Maslany from her time on Orphan Black.

[@Mereologist]

To be fair, Gao is ALSO garbage and has been doing misandrist garbage work for most of her career.

[@AmeliaBodilia]

She-Hulk is what you do when you don't know what you're doing. Consequences! 😂

[@ptonpc]

Definitely. When you don't care that you making something cr*p and you're too lazy to make something better.

[@Mereologist]

The TV She-Hulk was created specifically to troll fans. They WANTED anger and outrage. Very typical of modern misandrist feminists.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

No no. She knew what she was doing. Remember she would predict the outrage over her bad writing beforehand. So she was absolutely aware AND DECIDED to go ahead with it anyway.

[@Deridus]

That look of wonder on everyone's face with Drinker's time travel effect? Heartwarming.

[@sarinat3101]

You know what really sucks? She-Hulk has a potentially amazing niche within the MCU and I wanted it to be good. I'm kind of a legal nerd, so I was really hoping they would create a smart legal drama nestled in the fallout of other superheroes' crazy actions within the universe. It had so much potential. Like, the idea of a supervillain actually finishing out a sentence and going to a probation hearing potentially reformed? Civilians suing superheroes in civil court for a stray explosion killing a family memeber? Random people stealing superhero identities and causing copyright disputes? It could have been a focused and grounded show with tons of interesting storylines hidden beneath the larger world that never got a chance to be told. But no, lets not have anybody who knows how a courtroom works on the "superhero lawyer" show and just do stupid pointless things instead.

[@garypoisson2733]

I highly recommend you read Dan Slott's run on the character. The 12-issue 2004 run especially. It is a fun look at Superhuman Law. That aspect does decrease when the book relaunches in 2005, but there's still an amount of it in there.

[@Wolfman7870]

That's the worst part of She Hulk in that if it was made with sincerety and by genuine creatives that didn't tank it on purpose trying to own the chuds, it could've been great. And now the character is so tainted in live action to they have to give it a couple years before they do anything else with her.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

Sokovia Accord sets up a nice little legal stage to play within, too. *HUFF* H'OH WELL... Gotta attack men, or something, I guess.

[@hope-cat4894]

After the Depp vs. Heard trial, the OJ Simpson trial, and the still running law procedural show Law & Order, clearly there's a market for law focused shows and having superheroes in it could have been cool. They just didn't want to make a show about any of that but were allowed to make the show anyways. It's mismanagement to the highest degree. 😔

[@RRTNZ]

I used to be a lawyer. An attorney who behaved the way Jen did in that show would get disbarred and fired pretty quickly. Boston Legal was a more accurate representation of legal practice ( and it's almost total nonsense). As a lawyer Jen was incredibly inept - even less than Dennis DeNuto ( The Castle).

[@NomadMonkey396]

I guess we're not gonna get Drinker or Nerdrotic as the bad guys in season 2 :(

[@richtes]

Now that you say it, how haven’t they had the drinker as the villain in one of these? Granted they’d probably have George Lucas as the villain first, but they hate the drinker more

[@NomadMonkey396]

@@richtes These "Writers" are such immature brats. They spend way to much time on social media putting youtubers they don't like as bad guys in their shitty tv shows. These people need to grow up seriously.

[@8light7]

Little Platoon devastated.

[@torniojawsFAWM]

Would be almost the Auralnauts experience where the spoof (Star Wars episodes 1-3) is better than the actual release :D She-Drinker! Each episode narrated by the Drinker, like a less evil Morgan Freeman.

[@McFrozenNuggets]

Love seeing Tyrone on the show, Critical Drinker!

[@LaloLanderos16]

I was soooo happy he was on here this week!!

[@McFrozenNuggets]

@@LaloLanderos16 And he has more subscribers than Gary, too. He's nearing 2 million subs while Gary is at just over 500K.

[@fixer1140]

He's the cool black guy of the group

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

he's that exception to the rule of typical close minded black guy who likes all from disney netflix etc. he actually cares about source material and actually likes comics and games....id say he's more nerd than yungrippa even

[@McFrozenNuggets]

@RogerSole2 K. I haven't been following his growth that closely. Last time I was following it closely, he was at around 500K.

[@Pers0n97]

Im pretty sad about this cancelation actually. Imagine how much more money disney could have been scamed out of it if they had made that second season.

[@brick6347]

That poor writer is going to miss out on over $400 in residuals. If you're in LA, drop a few extra coins in his Starbucks tip jar will ya.

[@thedirectorschair1054]

His?

[@Shisha2025]

It was mostly women that wrote this.

[@brick6347]

​@@Shisha2025I'm fairly sure Cody Ziglar is a man... but it is current year, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Shisha2025]

@@brick6347Why ignore the rest of the writers room and Jessica Gao though?

[@kenjifox4264]

@@Shisha2025they’ll surely start insulting men, the fictional patriarchy, and misogyny for the cancellation. 🥱 💤

[@AshED65]

Tatiana Maslany says me don't want a woman as lead of a Super Hero. While men have been trying to get a Alita: Battle Angel 2 film. And men also looking forward to Hellblade 2. It's almost as if men like well written female super hero films and female main character leads in Video games.

[@minimatemasterworks]

I thought the show did a great job encapsulating dei. You had a female protagonist that was hired to a great job simply because she was superpowered and not because she was good at her job and she was definitely terrible at her job. I've never seen a tv lawyer so bad at their job. Lionel Hutz was a better tv lawyer than Jennifer Walters and they wrote her like that.

[@sephonvar2129]

It was said that Disney tried to have She Hulk in the Deadpool 3 movie, and Ryan Reynolds wasn't having anything to do with that.

[@TylerDietz]

I love this group together and it's good to see Tyrone!

[@accountnew7030]

he clearly looks out of place. I wonder why...

[@ruudvanderzanden8013]

​@@accountnew7030 he doesn't say much does he?

[@WaterFaucet24]

@@accountnew7030seemed like he was still getting over his sickness. Quite a bit of coughing.

[@user-kj9oz7lb8s]

​@@accountnew7030he's a long time KZbinr, like the rest of the panel. Why is he out of place?

[@arkive11]

Tyrone used to be huge back in the day of reaction channels being peak. He's a real one

[@swaginton1180]

I think having king pin being the big bad for phase 4 could of worked out pretty well, maybe even the big bad solely for the plus shows, since season 4 should have really been a return to form where they file everything back from universal ploys to instead day to day villainy and peoples responses/reaction to the blip I felt like he could have worked really well in that role, being sort of the phantrapist on the outside helping people after the blip but in the inside is still his viscous crime lord self we all love to help. Maybe even plot where he turns people against heroes using the blip as a factor by sprouting on propaganda. There’s a lot they could have done there

[@victora.1329]

You know what would've been bad ass? Set a show during the 5 years between Infinity War and Endgame. During this time Kingpin's wife, Vanessa, was bliped and we get to see an even more ruthless Kingpin. Taking advantage of the catastrophe by expanding his empire. That would be awesome

[@tehbonehead]

Thanos was tougher than thanos's ship, and they beat Thanos... who's kingpin?

[@Mereologist]

Kingpin might have had some legs if they hadn't been doing everything in their power to neuter him. In 'Hawkeye' they revealed that he wasn't a criminal mastermind, but stole all his success from a powerful GIRLBOSS. And they ran over him with a car and shot him in the head. In 'Echo', they turn him into a weepy loser who can't control the situation and is begging for a GIRLBOSS to forgive him or end him and take his place. And then she cured his childhood trauma because really he was just a sad boy who couldn't adapt. It's the same problem they had with Kang... they wanted him to be the 'villain', but had a more desperate need to have a GIRLBOSS beat him up every five minutes to show how GIRLBOSS they were.

[@Sorain1]

Honestly, I could see a phase built around Kingpin slowly becoming a global level threat by simply expanding his empire and getting access to some higher tech. Have a mention that with shield not operating as it used to, this stuff is falling into the hands of criminals. Potentially eventually have a new team assembled to deal with earthbound problems before they get up to 'avengers level threat' status as fallout of the phase.

[@SassySaturdaysGaming]

Couldn't happen to a nicer show...

[@whitworth5s248]

Those Tatiana Maslany quotes must have gone under the radar. I had no idea she was so abrasive and cancerous. It just goes to show even though we only really pay attention to the Brie Larsons or Rachel Zeglers, but given the opportunity almost all women in Hollywood are little Rachel Zeglers surface deep.

[@cpob2013]

Even Natalie Portman has been slinging some shit

[@chasehedges6775]

The MCU ended with Infinity War and Guardians Of The Galaxy 3. Change my mind.

[@ASleepingSwampert]

The third Spiderman Movie 😁

[@TravisMay-l9g]

Agreed. Endgame too

[@Deridus]

I'm pretty sure Infinity War was the last movie I went into the theatre to watch. GoT season 7 was the last new TV show I watched. Everything since has been watching folks like Nerdrotic and Drinker tearing things apart. Good times.

[@isiahalcindor6278]

Guardians 3 and endgame was actually bad tho

[@brianbiswell7591]

Yeah I started guardians 3 made it 30 mins in and turned it off. Didn't like it at all. But that's just me 🤷

[@spiceweasel8972]

Everyone keep Angry Joe in your thoughts, for truly he must be heartbroken as one of the show’s 15 fans.

[@thebonk7138]

He did back peddle a bit after the finale but yea seeing him not fairly critique the first episode after seeing all the shit that went on was huge redflag and basically he was just rolling over for it

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

​@@thebonk7138 That's modern Joe for you, a simp to Disney and to anyone who promotes his ideologies cap believes.

[@scifiguy26]

Yep I remember him not liking the last Jedi then he changed his mind & did a video on how much he loved it that's when I noticed he started to shill

[@EmptyAltruism]

Oh god, ppl still watch irritated Joseph? But, why….? My left boot has more to add to a discussion about media than his entire team put together…

[@thebonk7138]

@EmptyAltruism I mean I still agree with alot of his channels takes mostly from Alex and OJ not from him necessarily

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Of all the shows that premiered in 2022, She Hulk was definitely one if them.

[@z00mer]

One of what… the worst or the best???

[@NuclearWinter69]

@@z00merout of all the shows I’ve never seen i most certainly didn’t see she hulk the most

[@TheTenaciousDog]

I wish it wasn’t

[@RodgerRamjet]

[@Mereologist]

She-Hulk was the TV show of all time. It completely the Internet. If you added up every person who watched the show, you would have all of them.

[@blacksheep9505]

Dang I was looking forward to all the content Disparu, Nerdrodic, and Drinker would create in response to She-Hulk season 2.

[@gavinburke2572]

Re-watched some early Daredevil episodes and god almighty the difference between that 'era' and now is just sad more than anything I feel for Vincent and Charlie they brought serious life to these B-list superheroes and villain and have had it all taken away for what seems like a a CEO decision

[@Shisha2025]

Did you like Season 2 and 3 of Daredevil?

[@gavinburke2572]

@@Shisha2025 oh 100% when they came out. I just started rewatching the 1st season a few weeks ago will eventually get through them all again taking my time 😂

[@dannypalin9583]

I have nothing but sympathy for Paul Rudd, Anthony Mackie, Sebastian Stan, Charlie Cox, Vincent D'Onofrio and Iman Vellani. They all deserve better.

[@Avenus112]

​@@Shisha2025s1- 😊 S2- 😐 S3- 😑

[@drakynoch]

What I don't get is their utter lack (or refusal?) of awareness regarding other female-lead superhero shows. Jessica Jones, Peggy Carter, Agents of Shield (to a point), and even Supergirl (didn't enjoy that one as much) - it CAN be done right. WTF is going on now?

[@ShaneAddinall]

My thoughts and prayers are with Drinker and the rest of the Fellowship on their loss. Nothing will ever replace the number of monetised KZbin videos She Hulk 2 was meant to bring to the world. Do better Disney, do better. 🤑🤑🤑

[@Dolphination]

Great to see Tyrone on here.

[@PumpkinsChokeaHoe]

She-hulk: Attorney at Law reportedly had a budget of $225 million, giving each episode a $25 million budget.

[@someguyontheinternet2399]

How?? Where did it go!? It wasn't the effects!

[@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149]

​​​@@someguyontheinternet2399 Money laundering for criminal organizations like BLM and the Cartel.

[@Thisistheway2050]

Uh oh.....someone owes someone a LOT of money.

[@theinsurance2450]

​@@someguyontheinternet2399Laundering

[@ptonpc]

@@someguyontheinternet2399 They did say there was a lot of food in the writers room....

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

Wow, the show ran by Jessica Gao, infamously the person that made Pickle Rick and her incredible work with The Annoying Orange, had her show cancelled because of her writing talent. As someone that blames her for the downfall of Rick and Morty, I can only say that I'm happy people are finally openly calling her out for being a terrible writer.

[@steffenjensen422]

How can you go from pickle Rick to this???

[@Babadui]

I'm not the biggest Rick and Morty fan, but I watched that episode and honestly, it was not bad. In context it made sense why Rick did that, albeit it was very silly but that's how Rick works sometimes, and the rest of the episode was pretty good, the action was good and even the last part with them a the psychiatrist was ok. I don't know what else she wrote, but I feel like Pickle Rick was never the problem, people just like to point it out because out of context it's a really nonsensical and not funny scene. We should still shit on her for She-Hulk though.

[@occuda]

I do feel for the KZbin content creators. Does Disney not care about the lives they are ruining by not producing a 2nd season. How am I supposed to keep watching my favourite content creators roast these shows when Disney pulls stunts like this. Stick with it The Critical Drink, Mauler, Gary and Az as is am sure that Disney will drop the ball and keep producing new, inclusive, diverse and shows that push the MESSAGE even harder in the future.

[@MSgt5J071]

Don't worry, these guys still have the Rey movie, the Mandalorian movie, Madame Web, the New Avengers, the Acolyte, X-Men, the list goes on and on.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Guys like the REAL She-Hulk. If you'd done that version, you would have gotten a fantastic audience. Of course, the GUYS that could have made that show are anathema to modern incompetent Hollywood.

[@macmcleod1188]

I could see a scene where they had her in her one piece costume with the v-cut with a really nice shot of her ass, and she looks at the screen and says "you know my ass is CGI, right?" That would have been meta and funny and fan service. But, you're going to have a problem with any superhero movie about women that attacks and doesn't appeal to the male audience. Because most women won't watch it to begin with. And even most women don't want to see female superheroes in potato sack obscuring costumes. And most women wouldn't watch the show to see She Hulk beat or humiliate a guy..... they would watch it to see her in a romance with a hot guy or two hot guys. This show was written to appeal to the segment of women who are angry and aggrieved. That is it most 15% of the total population it was set up for failure from the start. And the budget was too high for such a niche set of customers. Since men makeup 65 to 75% of the audience for these shows, if they want to make a profit they're going to have to make shows that entertain men. And if they want to appeal to women, Aquaman 1 shows us they're going to have to show a very attractive male star partially undressed. If you look at Deadpool 1, we had his girlfriend, play by Marina Baccin, who loved him and dressed in hot sexy costumes. Though as far as I can recall they didn't have cheesecake to appeal to the ladies so they may have missed an audience segment there.

[@Mereologist]

The kind of misandrist belittling and constant whining about her job and situation that Jen in the TV show engages in is born from INSECURITY. A person comfortable in her own skin doesn't need to put other people down and loses nothing by lifting them up. A person who knows they can succeed has nothing to fear from losing their job or taking risks. THIS is what She-Hulk from the comics was like. She was friendly and generous and it all stemmed from being truly awesome and knowing it. If anything, Jen in the comics liked being She-Hulk TOO MUCH. They couldn't have gotten the character more backwards if they tried. And they did try!

[@NarrativeArcade]

Not surprising. I've made and seen student films that looked better than season 1 and with a fraction of the budget. There are still so many good screenplays and screenwriters out there and Hollywood keeps ignoring them.

[@snakeplisskin8696]

Because they are white, straight males.

[@NarrativeArcade]

@@snakeplisskin8696 You're not wrong, and it's related to a competency crisis. I've seen how screenwriting competitions have changed since 2020. Prior to 2020, I always received actionable feedback for my work (and I've won both 1st and 2nd place). After 2020, I sometimes get literal moral lecturing in my feedback, telling me what I can't or shouldn't write with no understanding of storytelling. The way Hollywood sources it's new writers is beyond broken, it's FUBAR.

[@ZealotOfSteal]

@onequickthing8950 honestly, I'd expect a freshman writer to do better than that. Because I expect people going to university/college for an art field to already be somewhat good at said field. For example, a good friend of mine got a degree in music focusing on classical guitar. By the time he went to university, he had been playing guitar for years. He had a band in school that did covers of metal songs and he had written songs of his own. Basically I expect that level of writing from a teenager just starting out.

[@ZealotOfSteal]

@onequickthing8950 Thank you for the clarification and well said.

[@Mereologist]

Sort of like how the 'Punisher: Dirty Laundry' short film was better than any of the Punisher movies. Hollywood has reached a point where it's clear they know what competency is, but they actively avoid it.

[@catman3697]

Deadpool did the forth wall break perfectly, probably due to Ryan Renalds being a good actor and a funny actor, plus good writing and a good director, and a character that you want to watch…

[@1timothydillon]

I had no idea Tatiana Maslany was playing She Hulk, that's so sad! I loved her in Orphan Black, and 3 Below.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

When all the dust finally settles, I foresee a lot of current celebs having to go the Maitland Ward route of making money. 😉

[@chasehedges6775]

True.

[@chasehedges6775]

“When the dust settles, the only thing living in this world will be metal.” - Ultron, Age Of Ultron

[@liquidemotionzz3232]

Oh fuck yes! Black widow with Scarlet Witch! 🥵

[@seafoam6119]

oldest profession in the world

[@Thisistheway2050]

It's not the celebrities that are the problem . It's the incompetent writers and directors. They have no clue and the trend for them now is to direct or write a comic book movie in the hopes it leads to something else. It's resume padding for Hollywood.

[@Wolffman109]

John Walker was supposed to be hated, but he was quickly realized by many as extremely sympathetic. She-Hulk was written to be likeable but is currently enjoying one of the worst receptions that a Marvel character has ever received. How the mighty have fallen.

[@chasehedges6775]

She Hulk was definitely one of the MCU shows ever and one I’m glad I didn’t watch.

[@Darth_Lex]

I understand what you are trying to say. But you really need to edit and add a few more words to your comment.

[@z00mer]

“one of the WORST MCU shows ever…” you mean

[@cokemaster3710]

@@Darth_Lexthey were making a lame unoriginal joke

[@Mereologist]

@@cokemaster3710 UR MOM is a lame, unoriginal joke! SNAP!

[@Ruckus45]

Loved Tatiana in Orphan Black but you could see this "message" coming from her in the last episode of that series. It's a real shame too, she's a hell of an actress - just succumbed to her own echo chamber

[@ariamaddison257]

OH NO!!!! This is terrible. Please don’t let Disparu find out!!! His heart can only take so much hurt.

[@umbrellacorp.]

I don't care about Disney/Marvel diarrhea anymore, I don't watch their movies anymore. But I am glad Drinker is wearing my shirt. 😎👍💯

[@LittleMAC78]

I've been saying since the SH finale (I think the other letters in that acronym are implied) that there can be no real threat of danger to any of the characters now we have She Hulk knowing she, and by extension EVERYONE IN HER UNIVERSE, is fictional. There are no stakes anymore for anyone onscreen as long as that version of the character exists. They need to make her and Hulk's entire arc (especially Hulk and the introduction of Skar) a variant timeline that either Deadpool or Loki gets rid of.

[@Mereologist]

I disagree. I think even fictional characters don't like bad things to happen to them.

[@Wolffman109]

My main hope for Deadpool 3 is to have Wade shoot her in the head.

[@katemaloney4296]

My daughter is a huge MCU fan and talked me into watching 'LOKI'. After the second episode she and I agreed that those were two hours of our lives we were never going to get back.

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

I remember when this actress was cast, the entire internet was completely on board with her as She Hulk. But after the show came out, oh boy, I don't need to say what happened next

[@carlrood4457]

You can have her in serious stuff. Her comic in the 90's was humorous and tongue in cheek, but she still kicked ass in Avengers and Fantastic Four.

[@AchtungEnglander]

Disney made a HUGE mistake in launching Plus. I wonder if they have buyers remorse in trying to chase Netflix.

[@cpob2013]

Their partnership in creating the Netflix marvel shows was pretty great.

[@JGarner.2004]

People only subscribe to Disney plus to watch the old Disney , Pixar , marvel , Star Wars content .,

[@AReservoirDog]

I was hoping Tatiana Maslany would go places after the show Orphan Black, It was really good from what I remember, and she played like 10 different characters (the show is about a set of clones who do not know they are clones because they are scattered across the world) all with their own inflections and personalities in a way that felt very believable for the most part.

[@jackburton9235]

Never forget SheHulk’s lil speech to the Hulk about knowing how to contain that rage cuz you know being a woman is tough. That was some fine writing from the script.

[@Jessica_Jones]

Seriously, my eyes rolled so hard.

[@ossihurme7572]

The production values just keep getting better and better I see :)

[@SuperLuis225]

Maybe that's another reason female superheroes arent resonating with fans all that well. They're OP AF. Captain Marvel literally rebooted a star with no concern Wanda can literally access other realities and can do dr strange magic without hand gestures Echo can basically overcome any problem She hulk can rewrite the universe whenever she's had enough Ms marvel has genie magic ...I dunno I just feel people like gamora, nebula, rescue and widow were actual people with problems and limitations that made you connect with them. They weren't necessarily a power fantasy that we see today

[@davidgantenbein9362]

The basic concept of a hero is to struggle and overcome difficulties. Without the challenge, there is no heroism. The classic hero‘s journey always includes setbacks, challenges and tests not only of strength, but of character. The modern day examples you made have none of that, hence they are not heroes. People see them and realize that these characters are not heroes. They are just powerful and full of pride, with zero character development. Their story is just a basic explanation how they came to be so powerful, which is usually the path of the villain. So yeah, people don’t like these characters, because they are not heroes. Has nothing to do with their gender as people liked female heroes for a very long time. Though the sad thing is that modern day Hollywood does train us to associate „female lead“ with this type of character through our human ability to recognize patterns (writer’s patterns of Hollywood in this case).

[@thehammer9599]

@@davidgantenbein9362yeah it’s that. But it’s also because they’re total shite.

[@joelmarte7059]

R.I.P she - hulk we won't miss you that's for sure

[@JonySmith-bb4gx]

Drinker would lose his 💩 if he learns about fate series . Fate series has A blonde girl king Arthur A trans Joan of arc A brown African Alexander the great A red eyed blonde Gilgamesh A woman nobunaga A petite woman Leonardo da Vinci A blonde woman NERO An African Hercules A black haired guy named diarmonde ( Scottish hero ) A blue haired Chu Chulain Fate is famous world wide and known for its pro LGBT characters

[@Darth_Lex]

The budget excuse is what they're playing to hide the fact that this show was an utter train wreck. That no one liked.

[@jimmy22334]

I mean it was definitely over budget but it was also a trash show so it was a real double whammy. I think it could've had a chance at season 2 if people actually liked it, but no way Disney was gonna gamble that again especially with how many other failures they've put out recently.

[@Darth_Lex]

@kreipoyke The only way a season 2 would have worked. Is if they actually made a season 1 that reflected her comic.

[@axiss5840]

Remember that part in Citizen Kane where he turned to the camera and said 'wow anyone who dislikes THAT plot twist must be a fat, smelly loser!'? Me either.

[@jw-hy5nq]

I love the way they made Doomcock the hero of the show. Such amazing and heroic behavior, standing strong and trying to take down the feminazi twerking lawyer.

[@TheMustachioedJames]

If the writers of She-Hulk don't take their "well-rounded" main character seriously enough to script a convincing courtroom or legal office scene, htf do they expect the audience to take her seriously as a lawyer/professional woman? For example, I'm pretty sure it's frowned upon for legal counsel to take the stand as a character witness, but on She-Hulk, that's okay. They didn't put five minutes of thought or research into the dialogue and plotting for any of Jen as a lawyer. It was like watching a sixth-grader's idea of what courtroom drama should sound like on tv. And because it's pre-supposed that Jen is just ten times as awesome as any problem she could possibly have, all the solutions to Jen's problems simply present themselves, via no effort at all on Jen's part. There's just so little care invested in the show by the writers, it's hard for the audience to believe they don't personally hate the character. They don't challenge her at all. At no time does so much as a difficult choice present itself. Jen does nothing but complain about the world around her, meanwhile the universe keeps crapping out solutions to her problems as if she had a pet genie. It was a boring, unconvincing, no-effort slog where the audience itself is cast as the enemy, and it gets what such insane wastes of money and talent deserve.

[@Thisguy2532]

Love seeing Tyron on here with the drinker and the guys.

[@benjaminattwell1430]

As someone who is trying to raise 70k for my first feature film I feel sick thinking about the waste. I'm sure that there was no set budget just like there was no set show runner. These fools just pissed the money away and Disney wasn't even paying attention. must have been some amazing craft services.

[@Splitter4416]

Very rarely does something made out of spite reap success. I’d hope the writers will keep that in mind moving forward but we know they won’t.

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

She-Hulk is the show in which the villiain(ess) not only wins, but becomes God. In the finale episode, she breaks the fourth wall and essentially s3>

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

There's a scene in Police Academy, where Mahoney is pretending to drink a glass of water Larvell Jones is making the noises and burps at the end. That's my reaction to Season 2 being cancelled.

[@hellalive8973]

They really take the fun out of not watching when they cancel it

[@quasarleon4645]

Oh Nooo ! How can I continue on living now ??!!

[@Clem_Kadidlehopper]

Honestly from what ive heard if Dinafrio being a Diva im surprised he actually did Echo at all. He beats Daredevil down because hes big and so powerful. Then gets dealt with by a little girl?

[@SolidGoldCEO]

"To even exist" she says while playing a female Marvel hero, that has existed for decades, while carrying her own title, being in Avengers, AND Fantastic Four. They always act like men hate these characters, but these characters were loved and supported by a predominantly male audience for longer than I've been alive. We're fine with female heroes, we hate terrible, dogs hit writing.

[@shiva19112]

1:25 "There is such an entitlement to space held by certain people" She said.. with zero self awareness that she is one of those certain people! You really can't make this up

[@1999fxdx]

As a CPA in industry: does Hollywood have accountants preparing budget variance analysis?

[@ptonpc]

Does Bolivian Marching Powder go under 'Sundry'?

[@kenjifox4264]

The only analysis they do is keeping racial and gender quotas, talent isn’t part of the equation.

[@SebWill180]

I'm very surprised by this situation. I could never have seen this coming. I'm so sad there wont be a second season for me to not watch, just like the first

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Let the excuses flow!

[@mexicanadian0846]

You guys just blew my mind with Look S2. You are so right!!! Loki was sooooo mid level. Granted I didn't watch it, but all I saw about it was the last scene with the world tree of time. That was it. Nothing about how terrible it was, nothing about how great it was. Just a weeks worth of minor coverage and that was it. Hmph wow. Just wow!!!

[@takeshikovacs1531]

The irony when brands actively mouth trash fan base that made brand succeful. Meanwhile new kind of toxic fans destroy interest in same brands brick by brick. StarWars, Marvel, Gillette etc... They say there is no interest in super hero genre anymore, meanwhile they put one trash series or movie after another.

[@keith2366]

Tatiana was great in Orphan Black so I was looking forward to She Hulk. I watched the first epidote of She Hulk and that was enough for me.

[@warsong99]

This is a perfect Count Dankula "Oh No!.....anyways moving on", moment.

[@LOL_Garrus]

The only downside to these cancelled projects (that I would never watch anyway) is that we won't get an entertaining TCD video about it.

[@ohmyglobohmyglob]

The best thing about the show was them turning doomcock into an actual villan

[@kenjifox4264]

They did ??

[@darthcleveland1631]

I never understood why these shows look like nobody involved read a comic book. I still think she should have done the show Lou Ferrigno style. I am sure that somewhere in California there is a lmuscular woman who can act. Paint her green and go. Sure they’ll have to do some forced perspective work but how many short guys are made to look tall on Hollywood? There’s many stories that can be told with her.

[@RussellNelson]

Gina C.

[@Easy-Eight]

Remember, *the best revenge is living well*

[@Ryoufriggingserious]

Tatiana is from my home town. I was so proud of her until She Hulk 😂

[@robertcooper4935]

Disparu is very, very upset right now.

[@lJ0blixen]

As is AZ.. lol

[@ptonpc]

I think he's in therapy after Echo.

[@davidthommeny2510]

without She Hulk, Echo and Robyn Hood I need him to find something terrible to review

[@johannschultz3743]

Tyrone’s raised eyebrows and wonder expression during the memory sequence is perfect

[@florentinoperez2122]

Where can I see the full podcast?

[@cappadocius9379]

In the description he has all his podcasts listed. He does a fairly good job of listing their topics.

[@AmeliaBodilia]

Sometimes it takes a few days to re-upload. Keep checking Drinkers second channel.

[@indyspotes3310]

In the 80s comics, She-Hulk broke the fourth wall to tell us how she should be feeling. In the TV series, she broke the fourth wall to tell us how we should be thinking.

[@Zathren]

I knew just enough about She-Hulk from the comics in the 80s and 90s that I was severely disappointed to hear what the first episode contained. And as everyone reviewed the first season my disappointment became sadness.

[@richardt3371]

Thanks for being on the call Tyrone.

[@johnhughes2124]

I take it that Disparu's in therapy?

[@pass-the-juice]

i hope so. guy needs help. and some sun.

[@magicmanbran54]

​@@pass-the-juiceWow scathing.....

[@johng92]

Whats mind blowing is that the argument can be made, that from a societal perspective, women, in America, are probably the MOST privileged group. On top of that, She-Hulk is a fan favorite character from the comics. There is literally no reason why this show if done properly couldn’t have been a hit. Making the fans and audience the “villain” preemptively just showcases the kind of backwards presumptions these Hollywood writers and show runners have.

[@GhostCrowBrother]

Found myself shaking my head and then saw Tyrone with the same expression and headshake 😅😂

[@jestucker2268]

The D+ shows make Netflix's Iron Fist look like Shakespeare. At least I was interested in the world building leading up the Defenders.

[@theobozikis8225]

It must be difficult for an actor to have to suffer for the poor performance of the show which was so badly written and presented to the audience. I really like Tatiana's past work, and I hope she can put this Disney endeavor behind her.

[@Liverator]

They just need to throw us a curveball and include none of the new heroes in the next Avengers, throwing in exclusively the side characters. John Walker, the Don, etc. all going up against some big foe. Lmao

[@NuclearWinter69]

Ohhhh no, anyway…. Marvel ended at end game, star wars ended at legends. Nothing after 2015 happened.

[@JokerCat9]

As Nelson from the Simpsons would say - “HAHA!”