Open Bar 74 - Disney Implodes, Doctor Who Flops, Elon Declares War

[@crimsonpotemkin]

"Women can let go of power, but men can't" Meanwhile Kathleen Kennedy has had an absolute death grip on her position of power, failing upwards, despite all the losses and failures never letting go and if Gina Carano is to be believed, Kathleen as done quite a lot to silence, censor, oppress and slander people who spoke against her.

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

Giving even a modicum of power to someone who believes they're both a victim and a rightful ruler is a surefire way of creating a petty tyrant, and unfortunately that describes most "feminists".

[@TincMetals]

Just like stopping the replies here from being seen.

[@Der_Thrombozyt]

So Kathleen Kennedy being male confirmed?

[@rabidmidgeecosse1336]

other examples would be Eva Peron, Catherine Medici, Catherine the great, Ruth bader ginsberg, Elizabeth 1 & 2. Yeah women great at letting go of power

[@croaton07]

This, but what she doesn't realize is the public can't and won't be silenced. It's clear more than just those of us here are against their bs at this point. The only way disney doesn't crash and burn is if they take the hint. It doesn't matter to the overwhelming majority of us if they do or not. I say, let them dig their own grave and lie in it. It's their funeral, not ours.

[@oldhatAN]

The Doctor has had vast power in his hands several times and has immediately given it up every time. He had the all powerful key to time and immediately got rid of it because no one should have such power. He had an unstoppable army handed to him and immediately relinquished control of it. He can't get rid of power fast enough.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Well, by "power" they really mean "responsibility" and "accountability", so it's one of those bizarre double-sexist own goals. "Ha, dumb men, can't let go of responsibility, not like us women who can just throw it away in an instant". A general rule -- if it inconveniences women it's "power" and men are bad for having it; if it benefits women, it's "responsibility" and men are bad if they don't have it. As ever, it's all changeable based on self-centered calculations.

[@fishjones4618]

He also had the means to destroy the Daleks before they were even fully formed. He refused because he felt no one individual should have that power (as opposed to Davros who was more than willing to wield that kind of power).

[@oldhatAN]

@@fishjones4618 That was just a couple of examples off the top of my head. There are several more.

[@leborhal7450]

@@matthewcollins4773wonderfully said.

[@josephdawson9461]

"Then prove yourself, Doctor. What are you, coward or killer?" "Coward, any day."

[@andyhamlett8814]

Imagine a modern day Bladerunner reboot... Roy Batty - “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe...” Deckard- “what do you mean - ‘you people’?”

[@chasehedges6775]

😂😂😂

[@chasehedges6775]

“I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe…. a small child riding on a giant cabbage touching the face of Oprah.” - Rob Walker, Wrinkle in Time(2018) review

[@ManHamOrigins]

K-“what do YOU mean, you people?!”

[@centerfield6339]

"Did you just call me Deckard with a hard r?"

[@Mister-Six]

@@centerfield6339 The hardest of Rs. An R so hard that it is inconceivable.

[@TheHaskoDood]

Can we just have TLP as the third host? He's consistently the most logical and well-spoken person on the show.

[@JeThoreau_]

For what little it’s worth, I second this suggestion. Drinker + Longman + Platoon = UK dream team together Three consistent cohosts is still only about a third the number of consistent FNT hosts

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

He does usually have his own show with The Movie Cynic, so may be all talked out of many things a lot of the time, as well as appearsing frequently on the Mr Brown Alliance channel Sunday streams.

[@TheManofThings777]

I'd like that.

[@joelsmall7696]

I respectfully disagree, he is certainly well - spoken but accepting Transgenderism is the epitome of being illogical.

[@JonesteinTX]

Man, Platoon absolutely nails it at 54:53 with the artist vs. propagandist comparison. Well done, sir.

[@LukSter18998]

platoon is probably the most well spoken out of the heads talking here

[@s3.14dervision]

We do need more diversity! We need more smart people being represented!

[@thepickles8833]

54:54 - that sentiment that Little Platoon delivers here... is an amazing summery to the struggle of writing in this era. And he just says that so well worded on a whim.

[@chasehedges6775]

Exactly

[@akopp54]

Little platoon is a crystal clear thinker and it really comes across.

[@nathansolo2605]

I really enjoy Little Platoon’s comments whenever I hear him.

[@thisisnotachannel]

A "woman inter gender trans"... So... biologically a man? So... a man dressed as a woman. I get it now.

[@Adrian-qr6gk]

you've reached the holy number of likes, i shall not taint it's beauty but take my comment as a like instead.

[@sirswissmcgristle5413]

Clarification needed. Get the pins, corkboard and string, I'll bring the booze and smokes. Hope you got some time on your hands, this might take a while

[@PsychoIncarnate666]

A man dressed as a woman lectures the doctor, who actually was a woman, on being a woman.

[@sirswissmcgristle5413]

@@PsychoIncarnate666 oh. What a concept, I'm sure that will go over "well" for them. Thank you for the clarification.

[@tsnamm]

They're called transvestites in the vernacular...

[@14bis42]

As I understand this .. They CANT turn a woman into a black gay character ... They MUST turn the most famous Doctor , a White guy , into a Black gay character .... its kind of a rule ....

[@Сайтамен]

But to do that they turned the woman into the white guy...that's a contradiction.

[@eddiegaltek]

@@Сайтамен They turned a woman to lecture him about how toxic he his, before turning him into an Black Gay character.

[@alexedwards6509]

@@Сайтамен Has Davies been cancelled for Transphobia? Because as I understand it, being a moron is no defence. I don't believe a word of gender ideology and yet as soon as I heard the line that contained "male presenting" I thought "that contradicts the very ideology that it is supposed to be pushing"

[@samuel5591]

It's called a bait and switch

[@jonbaxter2254]

Also Isaac Newton is Asian now lmao

[@freeman4871]

As soon as I heard David Tenant say, "I was this brilliant woman" and then "this old face" I knew Doctor Who was officially dead.

[@funkyfranx]

I have a new respect for Matt Smith all of a sudden...

[@paulcarmi8130]

​@@funkyfranxhe still has gayface

[@georgechapman9688]

"This stunning and brave woman"

[@deborahsoutar6308]

I didn't watch the chick and was looking forward to Tenant but now I'm not going to bother to watch anymore. Thanks BBC, freeing up another hour of time for something a millions times better, like cleaning the commode.

[@dutchmansmine9053]

​@@funkyfranxI liked Smith, I thought he struck a good balance between zany and sophisticated. Amy and Rory could be a bit what have you but I always thought Smith was solid. It really is a toss up between whether or not I prefer him or Tenant, but Smith definitely seems a lot less political. So far.

[@strambino1]

Myself and every single officer in the army who has resigned their commission has given up their power. Take that Dr. who “for modern audiences”!

[@cole8208]

1:31:00 “I’m not sure what the word is, it’s not punishment” Repercussions. That’s what we’re looking for. Something that studio filmmaking has not had in the last 15 years at least

[@Gibraltariano]

Comeuppance

[@TonyMontanaDS]

Showrunner Russell Davis said in an interview 6 days ago with The Independent "when you introduce these images to people happily and normally and calmly when they’re young. Then it just becomes normal." Talk about indoctrination.

[@lancebaylis3169]

He is not hiding his intentions. It's up to us as an audience to act accordingly, and take our money elsewhere. Anyone still willing to give the new Dr Who a chance after hearing Russell say that is complicit in his agenda.

[@samwallaceart288]

I mean that's true for good beliefs too. Stuff like Lord of the Rings introduced to me early on that being just a humble farmer chugging beers and hitting the pipe is a perfectly valid mode of existence, that everything isn't always Palaces and Maseratis. That's just how people learn things. The difference is that stuff like Lord of the Rings takes the time to show all the pros and cons so you can make a well-informed judgment. The Shire is an idyllic chill life where you work hard, eat hard, and sleep hard with laughs in between; but it's ALSO an unchallenging backwater that could be toppled at any moment the second it gets discovered, and with nothing better to do the Hobbits become super nosy, petty, and are always on each other's ass over dumb personal drama. Rohan is a strong nation with a rich history you can be proud of, where each person has a role and a purpose, and death is not denied and hushed, but proudly proclaimed and accepted as a worthy end to your chapter. BUT Rohan is also a struggling feudal economy and regnal dictatorship who's existence was hard-fought and displaced many rival tribes and made enemies at every turn, and also it stinks of horse. There legitimate pros and cons to each place of which each viewer will have their own favorite for good reasons. Lord of the Rings never makes the point "look at how nice and quaint The Shire is--EVERYWHERE ELSE SUCKS AND IS EVIL" A good lesson on why we live a certain way will also provide its the valid and justifiable counterarguments on why other people _don't_ live this way.

[@adammontgomery7980]

One could argue that it is "normal" albeit relatively rare (until 5 minutes ago). The problem comes when you start pretending that the rate of incidence is larger than it actually is, then it becomes a way for people to create a counterculture, and the fashion trend is now spiraling out of control. It's annoying until we're talking about making permanent, physical changes; then it's appalling.

[@MrDwarfpitcher]

So basically Doctor Who then: Low budget project from a bunch of people who liked telling kids stories with lessons in them. Mostly done out of love for the material. Doctor Who now: Massive budget project focused on telling kids what to believe and accept. Mostly done out love for an ideology. It basically nails why Doctor Who writing has become preachy and shallow.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

As Mauler mentioned, the "male presenting" thing is actually friendly fire. In an attempt to be good "allies" to the t's, the writers pulled out a shotgun and shot t-men in the back. What the "male presenting" comment hints at is that only t-women are valid/have a valid point of view. (Which is ironic, because "male presenting" t-men used to be women). And I find that funny.

[@samwallaceart288]

Dude I feel so bad for ftm trans men. Every trans guy I encounter is super chill and just focusing on their work regimen and trying to build up a friend group, and consistently they get shafted because of something some feminist said. God knows being a small guy with few friends is hard enough without all the drama. Whether or not they're a full "man" or "trans man" or something less valid is honestly an issue 99% of people will never need to deal with just talking to them in real life. All this drama is just internet talk self-sabotaging people who are actually pretty chill IRL. The issue is more mtf trans women running a self-fulfilling prophecy that the whole world hates them and needing everyone to know it; and even that's not actually a trans issue; that's a victim mentality personal projection issue that plenty of trans women can go 5 minutes without injecting into everything. And to be fair, I judge the hardcore redpill Andrew Tate guys just as harshly for all the same reasons; it's not their gender role that's the issue, it's that they take their gender-related resentful control and egomania, and make that their entire personality. It's like, just because a gym-bro has serious problems with women and needs to have absolute control over them, didn't mean that being shitty towards women is a _requirement_ to joining a gym. Plenty of guys just wanna be buff but don't at all connect it to taking revenge on women; just as plenty of trans people can put effort into embodying an ideal they weren't born with _without_ declaring war on anybody who disagrees with them politically.

[@funkyfranx]

@@samwallaceart288 Not being funny, but why don't people just stop trying to deceive others into believing they're something they're not?

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

" without declaring war on anybody who disagrees with them politically." If you are not trying to destroy everyone that disagrees with you, you aren't woke.

[@samwallaceart288]

@@funkyfranx Yeah that's whack when people do it. I draw the distinction between people pushing this shit for political egomaniacal purposes vs people just wanting to do something to themselves, though. Lumping them all together into the same category, whether that's us lumping them or the activists lumping them, is counterproductive

[@Сайтамен]

@@samwallaceart288 trans women are men who become women, and trans men are women who become men, or is it vice versa?

[@SithisLich]

Critical Drinker After Hours has hit 400k, congrats.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯👍👌

[@baileypalmer103]

Of all the characters to social justice preach to about not understanding. You're gonna preach to THE DOCTOR, the one character who would indeed understand people's struggles as if they haven't been fixing things and helping people for literal centuries.

[@simonmorris9877]

In regards to the scene in doctor who about a male not giving up power. The last doctor didn't give up her power did she?

[@londonarbuckle8601]

Funny how the female doctor was the most inferior.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

And yet the Doctor "Time Lord Victorious" did, having been shown what a catastrophic error it would be to take and embrace the power completely... The show literally had him do that; then writes these lines...

[@YanaPetruk]

In the movie unbreakable the villain was black and in a wheelchair. (Samuel L. Jackson’s character). And he portrayed him excellently. When I first saw this movie I didn’t even think about the skin color if his character. I was 10 years old slavic white person and I didn’t even pay attention to skin colors back then. Morgan Freeman’s God in Bruce Almighty was great! We love it, although we don’t have a single black person in our town to these days. It’s because then we couldn’t care less about the color of skin. Now when I see any movie - this is all I’m thinking about. Because they preach about it all the time. When someone tells you “don’t think about pink elephants” what are you going to think about? Pink elephant. Exactly.

[@samwallaceart288]

As a kid watching Die Hard 3 and Pulp Fiction, I always really liked Samuel L.'s characters more than Travolta and Willis. And while some people say that's an example of "subconscious blackface" or whatever, the actual reason I liked him was he was always the reasonable side-man who ends up having to put out fires and panic his way into a solution because the other "cool" guy he's with did something really fucking stupid. As a middle brother of many siblings, that man was my spirit avatar growing up. Broke my heart seeing him in Marvel's Secret Invasion where the only thing the writers could think to give him was "It ain't easy being black and old" "Well at least you're a man". Like bruh, _that's Samuel L.! Give him a _*_character_*_ moment. Give him someone to yell at!_ They're so focused on his identity they don't even know who they have to work with

[@PerkulatorBenny]

​@@samwallaceart288 Whenever "some people" say subconscious this or internalized that, what it really is is just a No True Scotsman fallacy. Someone brings up an example that contradicts their opinion/worldview and they fish for a reason to say that it's actually invalid. You say "Samuel L. Jackson was great in Pulp Fiction because [reasons]" and that contradicts their beliefs, so they say "That's just... Uhhhh... Subconscious blackface! Yeah, that's it! You don't REALLY mean that, you just THINK you do, because if you did then that would mean that I might be wrong (and I can't handle that so obviously I'm not)." Never mind the obvious issues with an argument that boils down to "you just THINK you think that".

[@mistermonologue2442]

Haha a purple elephant gets stuck in my head from a similar conversation from years ago that stuck with me..but anyway yes I agree with you. It's like mowing your lawn. You don't realize how many people are doing it until you mow your own and for the rest of the day you notice "hey, there's an awful lot of people mowing their yards today"

[@Rowansfears]

Same thing. Never put much thought into who was what colour and now I can't stop thinking about "woke" and "sjw" every time I see a black person (on a screen. I rarely see them irl). This is maddening. I didn't care about it when I was a child. Just curious, where are you from? :)

[@SIN1STUR]

Disparu has some good points, but he never stops talking. He seems to have no social awareness

[@chasehedges6775]

Well said

[@Redcoat86]

I thought representation mattered? If so, can studios represent some decent writers please? It really isn’t hard.

[@todderickson2435]

You win the internet today.

[@ElecManEXE]

But then they wouldn't be representing the window-lickers who can barely string together a coherent thought, and that group is ever on the rise, so that just wouldn't be acceptable 😂

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯👍

[@peterb5235]

Not sure if Disparu had too much coffee for this one or maybe not enough sleep, but this is the only group video I've ever seen him in in which he couldn't stop talking over everyone. You shouldn't try to answer every question, friend : )

[@georgejones3526]

People who are asking if Davies is going to change the Cybermen now that he’s retconned Davros are missing the bigger picture. Wouldn’t it now be necessary to retcon all the Daleks as they are all effectively wheelchair bound and evil?

[@DoctorHowTV]

Exactly! Those Daleks, aka Wheelchair Monsters would need to be redesigned or removed from the show entirely. There's no real difference between them and Davros, by RTD's own logic.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Yup! they need to be walking about; though that might remove some of the impact... Hmm... Well, what if they carried thir guns and to show threat, they all were dressed identically apart from the leaders, and just walked in massed rows, perfectly in lock-step, marching menacingly to exterminate any enemies in their path. Imagine a whole are massed with Daleks, all in uniforms, carrying guns, marching together side-by-side, row upon row. What an imagination it would take to come up with that...

[@Mister-Six]

"Show me a woman that's ever f***ing let go of anything ever." Based Drinker

[@matthewcollins4773]

A lot of it's bravado. "How much can we push things, how much strain can we place on concepts of social propriety, while riddled with contradictions, boosting our own status by demanding that others validate our view of things as reality." And trans people are just a convenient vehicle for that attitude.

[@TincMetals]

Living Embodiment of Hypocrisy.

[@TincMetals]

Force everyone to accept them, but can't accept themselves.

[@johnthemangood8700]

​@@TincMetalsexactly

[@LISA75_]

Should rename this episode disparu for 2 hours and 20mins , god I hope he is more chill on fnt .

[@TaskuWright]

Correcting a comment made at the end, every classic doctor who episode (Doctors 1-7) took multiple episodes to tell the same story, normally anywhere from 2-6 episodes resulting in almost movie lengths for certain stories. Genesis of the Daleks is a 6 episode long story. Sometime during the Black and White Era they stopped naming individual episodes and episodes would just be titled the "part" of the episode it was. Very early on individual episodes within the same arcs were named uniquely. For instance the first episode is called "An Unearthly Childe" while the second is "The Cave of Skull". Despite this the first four episodes of the first series make up the single story of "An Unearthly Child"

[@Unhandled_Exception]

Scorpius (from Farscape) is one of the best villains. He had to wear a special body suit and had a cooling chamber installed in his skull because of his disabilities. Yet to me this made him even more badass because he had more to overcome and yet he still achieved his goals.

[@Tusitala1967]

Hell yes!

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

All of my favorite episodes had him in them Edit: also props to Chrichton's actor for being able to show us how absolutely terrified he was of him without running around screaming or having to tell us he was scared. Actors knew their craft so much better back then lol

[@Tusitala1967]

@@SammaclauseGamgee Very true. I loved Virginia Hey as Xan as well. She could be blasé about things which freaked her crewmates out.

[@georgejones3526]

Everything I watch now reminds me of “The Truman Show”, specifically where the wife would suddenly start doing an advertisement to the viewers (Truman: “Who are you talking to?”). The story lines pathetic as they are, are constantly being interrupted to deliver “The Message”.

[@chasehedges6775]

THIS! Truman Show is still a masterpiece of filmmaking

[@chasehedges6775]

Kenneth Branagh is a legend. His direction on the first Thor back in 2011 was wonderful

[@Enigma75614]

I had no idea he directed it. I wonder why he didn’t come back for the sequels.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Enigma75614 Same. Really could’ve been different if he directed them.

[@MrCunningham4]

Here's a thought, "Rose" transitioned because of an underlying mental condition, that being the doctors blocked out memories that apparently can be passed down from mother to child. Is Davies really a supporter of trans rights?

[@rossmcewen2476]

Jeeeeeezus, I hope Disparu is never on Open Bar again, he cuts people off, yells over others, one of Open Bar’s best USPs is the decorum, everyone speaks one at a time, calmly and clearly and thankfully avoids the frequent blended mess of other podcast series of people speaking over one another - super topics and views from other panellists but the ‘noise’ in this episode was a shame, he doesn’t get the Open Bar vibe, it’s not a volume contest

[@eyescrossedFTW]

Came to the comments with the exact same sentiment and seen at least half a dozen comments about it. I hope they boot him, self centred loud-mouth

[@obsidian....]

1,000,000%

[@banedon8087]

I disagree. He's *normally* ok.

[@willpower8061]

Using this shows logic, Rose is a female presenting man, because its clearly not a woman.

[@thisisnotachannel]

I was thinking the same thing... not even in a slanderous or facetious manner... It's definitely quite clear that this is a woman "presenting" (dressed up as) a man.. Guess I had it backwards...

[@DirkusTurkess]

"That's a man baby".- Austin Powers

[@nOT_sURE08]

Season 11 of doctor who is the season that lost me. The whole agenda of "you know what's worse than cataclysmic, universe-ending events? Worse than evil, murderous statues? Worse than the mass extermination of all living things by the hands of maniacal genocidal robots?? H U M A N R A C I S M!!!! DUN DUN DUUUUUN!!!!!"

[@screech3859]

Russel got his hands on the Panderstone and got lazy. Now he's pandered so hard that he's pissed off everyone.

[@McKildafor]

I have a horrible feeling he's going to use david tennant to dismantle and destroy the tenth doctor. Then go on to make his Real stories with his new doctor.

[@lancebaylis3169]

Even in the Star Beast alone we've seen signs of that. The fact that they're having other characters tear down and belittle the Doctor in Dr Who's 60th anniversary year is absolutely disgraceful, but it does show that RTD isn't interested in saving the show, he's only here for his own ego.

[@crytantrevors7416]

10$ says the new doctor will be rose😂

[@LukSter18998]

@@crytantrevors7416i don’t want to make that bet

[@HerohammerStudios]

Don't worry. That was somehow even worse...

[@bobsmith284]

When i think of characters in a wheelchair, my first thought goes to Professor X. I wasn't aware all people in wheelchairs are psychic mutants.

[@chasehedges6775]

“McAvoy or Stewart?…. these timelines are so confusing..” - The Merc with a Mouth.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Ironside for me.

[@johns.1854]

So what I’m getting here is that Rose just assumed the doctor’s pronouns?

[@chronicles8324]

Disparu was off his head this episode, dribbling on losing himself

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I think he's having trouble articulating is his base position. He thinks that the quality of art is based on weather or not it speaks to human universal truths, not the mechanics of the writing. I actually agree with Disparu against Little Platoon on this. BUT I wouldn't use the word, "morals," since morals are a choice and "universal truths" are facts of our lives.

[@chronicles8324]

@@genmaicha.lapsang i dont mean small conversation im talking about how he dominated the entire episode, he took every single comment as directed to him and im like "shut up man, let other people speak". Really annoying

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@chronicles8324 I agree with that.

[@stitch3163]

@@chronicles8324 we did miss out on some good commentary from Despot as a result. He’s young and bright, but hopefully he sorts himself out conversing within a group

[@lawrencemeadonia7500]

He easily seems to be the least knowledgeable about actual films and their critique and just leans on the "go woke go broke" rhetoric for every topic.

[@smurfinmcmurfin9325]

They should have a graph of Disney losses and call it the Iger counter!

[@Tusitala1967]

Underrated comment.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Get that to Gary

[@Sarcastic_Sophist]

Very random thing to note. I've noticed in several occasions disparu wearing cosmere shirts. Nice to hear he is a fellow D&D need as well. Cheers to you all.

[@DavidByrden1]

Rose: "A male-presenting time lord won't understand....." The Doctor: quickly whips off his jacket, uses the Sonic Screwdriver to 3D-print a bra, and puts it on. "NOW I understand."

[@AliceBowie]

From now on, if I'm ever explaining something and can tell I'm doing a bad job, I'll end it with "...but that's something a male presenting timelord can never understand".

[@theequalizer9154]

Yes, that will work... 😆😆😆😆

[@s3.14dervision]

Wow. By making Davos more inclusive, they excluded that little girl in the wheelchair who wanted to cosplay! That's f**ked up!!

[@JeronPlas]

Jesus Christ, Disparu was insufferable, it remains in history as the only Open Bar that I couldn't finish watching.

[@jasonsumner3386]

Thought I would give this episode a go but he really is very annoying and will not watch any more that he is on. He ruins them, Critical Drinker must notice this, surely?

[@chasehedges6775]

I love The Critical Drinker and his friends. They’re great

[@roffel6876]

I see General Zod is also present. 😁

[@chasehedges6775]

@@roffel6876 Michael Shannon: I WILL FIND HIM! Terrance Stamp: KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

[@christopherbowen4665]

Dammit now that’s all I see now and I been subbed to despot for months.. thanks 😅

[@joshstanton267]

These guys are based as, plus eloquent. Gotta love it.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@joshstanton267 💯💯👌

[@JayM928]

Villains being physically handicapped in some was actually a brilliant bit of storytelling. It was intended to challenge your perception of what (a) what it means to be good or evil - which is more about your spirit/heart than biology or physical characteristics and (b) what a person with physical limitations can still accomplish - ie you can’t write Mr. Glass off as a bad guy because “he’s weak.”

[@elliec4154]

There was also in my opionion among the most beautiful of Arcs - The Family of Blood. Doctor Who literally gives up all his powers to stop the Family using it for evil, becoming human, falling in love, and then giving up his life and happiness with Joan to save the universe and defeat the Family. He gives up everything twice within one story!

[@HerohammerStudios]

And all out of kindness so the family has a chance to live out their natural lifespans instead of having to be killed. Fucking incredible story

[@funkyfranx]

An Englishman, an Irishman, a Scotsman, and Welshman, walk into Drinker's bar...

[@chasehedges6775]

Awesomeness ensues

[@alasdairwatson712]

Regarding the Davros controversy, a website called Feminists with Disabilities (a fan of Dr Who) listed examples of disabled people in Dr Who adventures who were villains. She mentions six (Davros, Max Capricorn, Mercy Hartigan, John Lumic, Timothy Latimer and Col. Hugh Eddison) which sounds a lot. BUT, of these, Hugh Eddison was faking his disability, HughLatimer had behaved heroically and was only disabled by the end of the adventure and Mercy Hartigan was an evil woman who was not actually disabled but was incorporated into the Cyberking and, even then, committed suicide and destroyed the Cyberking to save people. So, really only three examples. Does this warrant RTD’s retcon of Davros?

[@WheezingCheetah]

Obviously yes bigot!

[@MVR3IWER]

And how many heroes/good people in Dr. Who are there with disabilities to contrast? I don't have an answer, but I can't imagine it being 0.

[@georgejones3526]

I can’t wait to see how they get the entire race of Daleks out of THEIR wheelchairs.

[@josephdillard9907]

I get your point, but it still doesn't even matter because the whole premise is bunk. A villain in a movie or TV show being disabled in some manner DOES NOT IN ANY WAY "represent all disabled people as villains", and only the most shallow, vapid, superficially minded people could think otherwise.

[@Darth_Conans]

Really makes you think that these types seem to believe that a few wheelchair-bound villains might make everyone believe the disabled are evil, but they're fine with making white people villains in everything. One wonders what they're trying to inculcate to their audience.

[@giannagiavelli5098]

Disney invested 40 million in doctor who in exchange for the message

[@MegaSpideyman]

Very good stuff as usual, lads and great back and forth between the guests. Loved the argument between Mauler and Disparu about the latter thinking she's the same in Peep Show as she is in Secret Invasion.

[@chica4253]

I’m so tired of Disney playing on my nostalgia for beloved characters from the past and resurrecting them only to shoehorn in *the message.* Star Wars, Indiana Jones, live-action remakes of classics, and now Dr Who. 💔

[@chasehedges6775]

Soooo true. Modern Disney sucks

[@chasehedges6775]

I’m tired of Disney’s Nostalgia pandering as well. It’s obnoxious

[@hawkeye5955]

I'm weary of any modern reboot of any classic sci-fi because of the predictable shoehorning of "the message".

[@thisisnotachannel]

Diz-nee actually had nothing to do with this... and I would further argue that the BBC is even worse than Diz-nee, in regards to pandering and "The message"... "The House of Blouse" simply bought the rights to air Dr. Who "across the pond", so to speak... no creative control or input involved. If you want REAL Dr. Who, Pluto TV has a channel that airs all the classic seasons... for FREE!

[@The_Implications]

It's funny how the doctor lost all Fem credit once he reverted back to male. 😅 you'd think women would be closer and more relatable than ever, but they're just cutthroat with him, not even any unisex cred 😂 male bad me thinks

[@samwallaceart288]

What's funny is every time I hear something from a female-to- trans man, they're super chill and just minding their own business. Genuinely feel bad for them constantly being brought into shit because of something a male-to- trans woman said. As a guy I know just being a "normal guy" trying to build up muscle mass and some cred with the boys is hard enough without the drama.

[@GigglingStoners]

Take a sip whenever Disparu interrupts someone

[@Mister-Six]

I've gone through an entire case of water.

[@kingleech16]

Someone needs to take away his cocaine for a bit.

[@akopp54]

It’s also funny how Disparu is a muddled thinker and will make an obvious or useless point then Little Platoon will follow it up with actual clear thinking, leaving Disparu spluttering to walk back and revise himself as it goes down in flames.

[@eyescrossedFTW]

Honestly making me want to stop the episode. At the half hour mark and he's cut the others off so many times (and not unintentionally SINCE HE STARTS BASICALLY SHOUTING OVER THEM TO CONTINUE) with nothing of substance to say that I wish he wasn't in this episode. Holy shit he just ruins it

[@90viper90]

​@eyescrossedFTW i agree.

[@Laneous14]

Disparu needs to remember this isnt his channel. Damn tim pool let some other people finish a sentence

[@GigglingStoners]

Take a sip whenever he interrupts someone...

[@ginjaedgy49]

disparu looks like he's getting annoyed not being allowed to rant over everyone else in the stream lmao

[@eyescrossedFTW]

I just want him to shut up for one second holy shit

[@GeorgFreese]

Man, this Disparutoo fella sure knows how to hog a conversation! 🤯

[@thisisnotachannel]

It's the cocaine

[@saurojason]

The Little Platoon was a perfect addition for the episode. Good choice 👌

[@stitch3163]

TLP is always a great addition.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

The Despot of Antrim has a sense of humor that just gets me every time. He also makes clutch reference, like in his review of Avatar in which he busts out Turok 2. Great dude imo.

[@Zilliguy]

I remember in a dr who christmas special, there was an alien named banakaflava or something, and he was a cyborg and was discriminated against, kind of framing being a cyborg in the light of having a prosthetic. He sacrificed himself to save the entire group from death in that episode. I don’t understand why the show runners believed they were portraying disability as a negative?

[@phantom_not_chopper]

Henry Cavill is Richard III driven to pursue the Crown by his good looks and having to present as an able-bodied straight white man.

[@agitatedzone]

Disparu is in his looking down thoughtfully until I have something to say era. Love it

[@kimorchard9961]

Can’t unsee it now 😂

[@stitch3163]

Kindly subtle comment, to be fair. He’ll get there.

[@derikbradford3836]

A Former Disney animator (from the 2D Era) created his own animation studio "James Lopez Animation" and The first episode of his new series came out "Hullabaloo". It's a SteamPunk show with all the fun you use to have from Disney shows during its "Golden Age" of animation.

[@Turkeyburgler]

Disparu needs to chill out and let the other guys talk

[@chronicles8324]

yep, i posted the same comment, really really annoying. Should re-name it as the Disparu show

[@obsidian....]

💯

[@jasonsumner3386]

I don't think he is aware how irritating he is.

[@GeekHelix]

Ask no questions. Internally, they ARE NOT allowed to show dissent against current messaging of Dr Who. I've never seen someone so immediately fearing for their job when the topic was broached.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

I don’t think they realize great heroes & great villains come from great suffering, and the difference is in how they respond to the suffering…

[@LucLightWolf121]

A well done panel discussion, guys. Keep up the outstanding work!👍🏿👍🏿

[@chasehedges6775]

10/10 Discussion

[@lancebaylis3169]

Russell T Davies said this in a DVD boxed set feature back during his original run as showrunner: "I think science-fiction is very much reserved for heterosexuality, actually shockingly so. And I'm very, very keen to push that further and knock down those barriers, because I feel like it's one of my jobs on this earth." He's always been this idealogue, BUT also I think back then he had other producers and executives to deal with, and arguably a still relatively conservative paradigm. The Davies of 2023 has complete control, no-one to tell him no, and a BBC who agree with his ideology so they wouldn't stop him anyway. Unfortunately, they're going to kill Dr Who. Again.

[@mcdizzle2855]

Mauler and platoon are my fave dry comedy duo 🔥😂🔥🙌🏻🔥

[@SatiricalAcuteMeta4]

I would argue that Davros doesn't view himself as evil. He was born into war, and every act he committed, no matter how heinous, he did because he believed it was necessary for the survival of his people. Was he right? No. But we are viewing it through the Doctors lens. In The Magicians Apprentice, he clearly was manipulating the doctor, but that doesn't mean that what he said to the doctor was a lie.

[@alexmelling5261]

I would agree, seeing as in Genesis the Doctor tells Davros that he's going to be responsible for the worst scourge the universe has ever seen and the man is just happy to know that his creation will be that impactful, therefore making him by proxy the most significant being to ever live. He straight up has no concept of morals

[@davidbrennan660]

The Daleks don’t need Darvos..... they know their stick.

[@tomnorton4277]

I love Davros in The Magician's Apprentice and The Witch's Familiar. Julian Bleach stole the show even from Michelle Gomez, who toned down the hamminess Missy showed while she was being "Queen of Evil" and showed subtle fear when she realised they were on Skaro, and Jenna Coleman, who repeatedly acted circles around Peter Capaldi with the most notable example being The Zygon Inversion where Capaldi delivered one of his best performances but Coleman still surpassed him by giving Clara Oswald and Bonnie different thought processes, mannerisms, expressions and even ways of walking. Getting back to Season 9's opening episodes, Steven Moffat wrote a complex and nuanced version of Davros, so Julian Bleach should have left him behind while he was at his peak. To quote Sir Michael Caine when he announced his retirement "I've got wonderful reviews. What am I going to do to beat this?" When Davros croaked "Am I a good man?" I actually believed he was questioning his entire life's work. I never believed Peter Capaldi's contemplation of the same question. Sure, Davros had an ulterior motive but, perhaps out of desperation because he was dying and only the Doctor's regeneration energy could save him, maybe he exposed his soul and, as twisted and mangled as that soul is, there might be a part of him that wondered "Was it worth it?" Furthermore, Davros calling himself the Daleks' father added layer of tragedy befitting of Julian Bleach's love of Shakespearean roles (look up his theatre work). Even if Davros sincerely repented, and I know that he never would even if his doubts were genuine, there's no way he could destroy his children. For one thing, the Daleks had become more powerful than him. For another, no father with a shred of paternal instinct would commit such a heinous crime. And at the end of the day, even if Davros was delivering complete bullshit to get the Doctor's regeneration energy, Julian Bleach still sold every single word until Colony Sarff showed up to expose the ruse.

[@SlipdeGarcondeJour]

I think Disparu had had too much coffee this week.

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

I dont get why people forget so easily that was Elon Musk saving Amber Heard Jobs after the Depp thing

[@chasehedges6775]

Depp still deserves better, by the way.

[@hawkeye5955]

As much as I dislike Musk's personality and what he's done to twitter's paid verification, he is right about Disney. As for AH, she was using Musk for his money and he dumped her probably after he found out how much of a narcissistic sociopath AH is.

[@naamari]

@@chasehedges6775 Does he? Same Pedowood scum as the rest of them.

[@kingleech16]

For some reason Musk seems to have a ton of folks treating him like a genius. Seem to forget that, for being such a wunderkind, he's had enormous losses at Twitter, his attempt to switch it to "X" is a joke, his blue check revamp was a fiasco, and he appears to have no bright ideas on how to right that ship that has become such an anchor to him.

[@1xoACEox1]

You guys dont seem to understand. We've always been at war with Oceania.

[@georgechapman9688]

The treatment of marvel, star wars and Doctor who seem more like death worship

[@mikelinux1961]

would love to see a modern version of Don Quixote but he is a woke white knight.

[@sarcatstix]

would that not be a dream? An impossible one? I’ll get my coat.

[@Alakazzam09]

Too honest and self-reflective for the woke crowd.

[@sarcatstix]

@@Alakazzam09 I’m not sure In todays binary times Irony would be understood.

[@Mitch19222]

Disparu was insuffrable in this episode. Take a damn breath mate. Let other people talk. You are very redundant on top of it

[@starshineraiser6729]

Elon’s speech gives me chills! It’s what we’ve all been wanting to tell these corporations but we literally have no way to voice our views. If you’re not of their inclusion, you get censored. Every time I comment on MSNBC, it gets auto deleted.

[@ceee_deee_beee2781]

I'd be very curious what Disney's projections were when purchasing the ips. Gotta be a big delta between forecasted and actual. Ouch.

[@ajax201000]

Having Jason (a biological male) talk down to the doctor about gender despite the fact the doctor has been both male and female in a literal sense, has 1200 years of life experience and is a super genius is just pathetic and the doctor of old would not have been spoken to like that

[@adammeyer6650]

I love how the panel is stumbling over calling the actor he or she and Disparu just comes in with “yeah but that’s just a bloke, right?” Stunned silence 😂

[@sketchtherapy1218]

"A male presenting Elliot Page wouldn't understand" lolololololol

[@timmy0046]

2:22:04. That was a really fun interaction between Mauler and Disparu. 😂

[@jeffreyjameson9301]

Southpark did it: Handicap olympics.

[@TheStacanova]

Steven Moffat was the BEST Doctor Who writer in the Modern Era. Yes, he was burned out at the end & with him, you could see the “Woke” being forced on him at the end. However, I think that Moffat still has the best approach I’ve heard anyone give in interviews about Doctor Who. Which is, the Doctor should be a little “Woke”, but The Doctor should also be a little “Based”. Meaning, everyone should be able to enjoy Doctor Who. When you make “one side” the “Bad Guys”, you have failed. My Top Ten Favorite Doctor Who Episodes(with some honorable mentions) are all Steven Moffat Episodes. 1. Girl in the Fireplace 2. Blink 3. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances 4. The Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone 5. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon 6. The Eleventh Hour 7. The Pandorica Opens/ The Big Bang 8. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead 9. A Good Man Goes to War 10. Dark Water/Death in Heaven Honorable Mention: Day of the Doctor, A Christmas Carol Top 15 Non-Moffat Written Episodes: (In Chronological order) The Unquiet Dead Father’s Day Tooth & Claw Shakespeare Code The unicorn & the Wasp The Waters of Mars Vampires of Venice Amy’s Choice Vincent & The Doctor The Doctor’s Wife The Rebel Flesh The Almost People The Girl Who Waited Hide Heaven Sent

[@stuwills8234]

Disapru did his absolute best to ruin this stream. His body language when he wasnt able to rant and hog the mike said it all. Hes out of his depth with this crowd and shouldnt be back

[@necro4258]

I dont mind most of his ideas but he just did not stop my lord. (edit: actually thinking about it most of what he said was nonsense or pointless and I think I just filtered it out).

[@ryanwheeler1875]

Way too much. Share the airtime and pull back on the faux laughing.

[@bazmilo-furball1]

I at min 52 I see what disparu is saying, (long before Star Wars was a thing) and as a small boy hiding from the scary music of doctor who and then watching dinosaurs roam the streets of London and the sea devils coming out of the water with John Pertwee as the doctor for the first time round (not reruns) is a big thing for me, the whole English-ness of it all, it meant a lot more to me than just a program, and when I saw Star Wars in 79 again it changed me I was a major fan but it didn’t appeal to me as dr who did (I couldn’t watch star wars at home no dvd’s video etc) I had my family around me chips on a Friday dr who if I didn’t get to scared, that’s what dr who meant to me, and that’s why it’s heart breaking to see what they’ve done to him. My doctor

[@sesinhosantos5047]

I have a couple of questions: The Doctor was a woman (and well, countless small children of several backgrounds). Did he stop being a woman when his appearance changed to the one of a man? Which opens philosophical questions like >is a woman exclusively a person that looks like a woman? If that is so, it becomes expected being misgendered, and nobody should be reprimanded for that. By the dialogue Donna says she preferred it when the doctor was a woman and she seemed to be very disapproving of the male presenting Doctor So, is she saying that The Doctor transitioning to a Man is a wrong transition? Are the writers transphobic, do they hate man, or both? Why is it that "dead name calling" is wrong, wasn't like that dead person the one that made the decision of you being your current you? (a very prideful "you") Is that or you have split personality and you are technically a murderer. I hope an expert can enlighten me in the matter

[@pandalover900]

Not an expert buy I'll point out that philosophizing over self-contradictory labels and twisted logic paradoxes is an exercise in frustration. If one seeks enlightenment and understanding, simply talk to a person who idientifes as such. Will provide much better perspective from real lived experience rather than what these hacks can conjure in their trrrible writing. It's like the stories that come out these days are the shower thoughts of "oh I totally shoild have said this/if only I'd come up with this during that argument".

[@lancebaylis3169]

As usual, the writer accidentally said the opposite to what they intended to say 😂😂

[@KitsuneAdorable]

30:06 I believe it was 10 or 11 that had a beautiful moment with the older gentleman in one episode, that made me cry. The writers turning his death in the most recent episode is disgusting. The scene with the 11th and first doctor in the 50 was beautiful and meaningful. Then you have 15 and it ruins it with his smug look on his face. I’ll come back to the series on its series finale. And I’ll watch the reviews on KZbin. 10x better than watching! As soon as I heard 15 say they/the, referring to the Doctor, I immediately knew what this Doctor was going to be.

[@cosslogan1043]

I would love to hear a conversation between Drinker and 'Worth a Buy'.

[@DeistPaladin]

@19:20 This seems reminiscent of that infamous moment in the first episode of She-Hulk where the objective was to lecture the audience about just how much the put-upon upper-class American women are suffering with all the cat-calling and mansplaining. They forgot that their mouth-piece was a privileged woman who enjoys a comfortable lifestyle that most people can only envy. She enjoys a respected, recession-proof, six-figure salary job and she will never want for anything. Meanwhile, she's talking down to a man who's been through more psychological and physical trauma than she can even fathom. It's not even effective propaganda, let alone compelling character development.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Please, please, pay me $200k/week to be cat-called and lectured by idiots!

[@benironside1264]

It feels like we’ve been predicting disneys imploding for ages, I’m at the point of giving up hope that it will actually happen

[@chasehedges6775]

I knew it was on the verge of going downhill back in 2019 with The Lion King 2019 remake and how mediocre Frozen 2 was. Seems I was right.

[@chasehedges6775]

Their terrible/mediocre Disney remakes haven’t helped

[@merkbromerkington3215]

It's a massive company with varied income streams, it'll survive financially but it's entertainment wing is choking to death and no one's looking forward to any Star Wars/Marvel/Disney projects.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@merkbromerkington3215 👍👍. Precisely

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Disney was a very rich corporation with lots of cash reserves, so Disney had to LOSE a LOT of $$$ to get anywhere near bankruptcy (where they are now)!

[@deadschooled]

Everything Mauler said was spot on

[@samwallaceart288]

Yeah his content is top tier

[@jonkoch3100]

Remember when James Bond dropped a wheel chair ridden Blofeld down a smokestack (For Your Eyes Only)? Bond was such a terrible person for picking on a disabled person...

[@weswolever7477]

Especially after he offered to buy Bond a delicatessen

[@crimsonpotemkin]

The whole "associating disability with evil" thing is such a huge self report. Oh, is that what you've been trying to do this entire time? Is that how you view this character? Is that how you view people with disabilities? As Davros? You can't help doing the association in your head? It's the same shit as people who see orcs with huge fangs sticking out of their mouths and see black people, or when they see goblins and think "ah yes, a jew". These people need to be fired, not giving writing credits.

[@RobTheDoodler]

Imagine a puny mortal lecturing a millennia old being that has seen things they can’t comprehend.

[@cvdevol]

Drinker, I would love to see you tackle Monarch: Legacy of Monsters. IMO it's horrible: 1% monsters and 99% emotional disorders of traumatized young people.

[@londonarbuckle8601]

The legendary Godzilla sucks

[@cacomeatballmarinara2014]

“99% emotional disorders” I think you overestimate how much of that show can actually be classified as anything other than the dark nothingness

[@cvdevol]

@@cacomeatballmarinara2014 The human characters all seem to hate each other. Makes me wish the monsters would come and put them out of their misery. But no such luck....

[@jesseslack2089]

@@cvdevolI only been watching cause I assume Godzilla will show up at some point and Kurt Russel!

[@UnnamedBridgeburner]

Watching the bar try to reason their way through the trans stuff was hilarious. It is a religion gents. It’s true because the message says it’s true and you can’t reason or logic your way in or out. You either believe it’s the Truth, or you see through it. At a certain point you just have to say it’s ridiculous, refuse to believe, and move on. Welcome to cultural atheism. Lol.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Even Thomas Aquinas had an entire chapter proving that God exists, and that was in 13th century Europe where Catholicism was assumed!!

[@thisisnotachannel]

This is one of the most reasoned, insightful comments I've read in quite some time. ... And 100% accurate. Well said, my friend.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Not just a religion, a death cult

[@theevermind]

Regarding the transition of TV shows from episodic to season-long arcs: I noticed it with anime. Buffy in many ways matched the storytelling patterns of anime. And then every show tried to copy Buffy.

[@winkles2314]

Disparu’s reaction to the mention of Iron Man 3 killed me. “WHAT …. BUHAHA!!!”

[@georgechapman9688]

Mark Hamill's joker is that you?

[@JayM928]

We are in such a dark age of entertainment/storytelling

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯

[@chasehedges6775]

@onequickthing8950 A24 and Dreamworks

[@chasehedges6775]

Sooooo true. It’s scary, honestly