Open Bar #15 - RIP Batwoman! Dr Strange 2 Disappoints, Moon Knight Is A Mess

Join Chris Gore, Drunk 3P0, HeelvsBabyface, MauLer and myself as we discuss the death of Batwoman, Moon Knight being a complete mess, and find out if Doctor Strange 2 lived up to expectations.
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[@tajaniscott]

I can’t believe they deleted the scene where Morbius jumped out of a portal saying, “It’s Morbin’ time!” killing Wanda immediately

[@awesomeerr8765]

Tyrannosaurus!!!

[@braydenb1581]

Sabertooth tiger!!!

[@nicolamarco7110]

The fuckin Pachysaurus from Jurrasic World 2 😂

[@Shiirow]

Mighty Morbin Power Vampires.

[@Turuial]

Dragonzord! (It's funny seeing as zord was part of his opening word. I always wondered if it was because dragons were mythical creatures unlike the rest of the original crew. )

[@Dave_L913]

1:10:00 "Blackbolt can kill you with a whisper" gave me "This is Slipknot, he can climb anything" vibes.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

"This is Katana, she's got my back. She could cut all of you in half with one sword stroke, just like mowing the lawn. I would advise not getting killed by her, her sword traps the souls of its victims."

[@MrDman21]

At least this Black Bolt had the right look. Not that Spirits Halloween bullshit. 😆

[@blackdynamite_5470]

~ said by the smartest man in existence 2022

[@papumerta5013]

#sidwilson

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

Now just imagine if that line came from Capt Boomerang and was said directly to Amanda Waller as Slipknot was gradually climbing away behind him... Cus that was the MOM scene.

[@Runner2000]

Wanda: Had enough? Captain Carter: I can do this for one minute and thirty-seven seconds.

[@blackdynamite_5470]

come guys...she's a woma * Cut to Robin * "Who wants to be in that stupid team anyways?"

[@Runner2000]

@@blackdynamite_5470 😂😂😂

[@nont18411]

“We are out of cream.” Legendary quote from Batwoman

[@skylx0812]

...skin bleach, or hair straightener?

[@essexclass8168]

*SLAM!* "What'd you bring me?"

[@ANobodyatall]

Double?

[@kf3920]

"Why are we out of cream, Alice?"

[@nont18411]

John Walker: Killed one person (who is a terrorist), face huge consequences and somehow became the most hated character of the entire MCU for eternity. Yelena Belova: Committing mass murder while laughing at it and now is one of the fan favorites. Never faces consequences. Wanda Maximoff: Literally committing genocide and slavery and still getting full support for the fans, saying “She did nothing wrong.” “Everything she did was valid.” and “She deserves better.”

[@MuskiewisAskiew69420]

For real. I was part of that group till I woke up and was realizing me thinking all this was weird but kept being told.”it’s a comic movie deal with it”

[@sithsaiyan4529]

Makes cents to me.

[@Zathren]

Now I need to Google the names John Walker and Yelena Belova, I dread what I find.

[@brentmichael4770]

It translates to real life white hero that shoots black woman with a knife about to kill another black person. And he's considered a murderer! Dude saved a life! The first mass shooter to be released on bail is a black man! Society is divided the lines are clear! This is the type of division that will lead to war and genocide in your life time.

[@curezilla]

Walker is the current definition of villain in Hollywood. He should have had a wood pecker tattoo, and driven a Mercedes.

[@For0489]

Mauler if there was ever a movie that deserved an "unbridled rage" 3 hour long video....this would be it

[@dudeduderson4077]

It would be his longest one yet

[@Charleroi92]

I think he's already on it

[@Runner2000]

Yes! And then Wanda chops Captain Peggy in half. You go, gurl.

[@avrhamcom]

@@Charleroi92 did he said that? I think he will wait for the Disney plus release but regardless I hope he will do it

[@Charleroi92]

@@avrhamcom I don't know if he said it, but I doubt it's not in the works. It's a total Mauler thing to do

[@T.J.S.]

"I'm not a monster Stephen,I'm a mother." - Wanda (M-She-U)

[@chasehedges6775]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Brilliant writing.

[@izzieingriselli8973]

The fact that Batwoman is getting canceled is sweet justice indeed 🤣

[@chasehedges6775]

Never watched the show.

[@carlbutcher9854]

@@chasehedges6775 I made it about 15 minutes which was 15 minutes to long.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Is it? It had 3 series of this shit, so many good shows get cancelled after 2

[@carlbutcher9854]

@@jonbaxter2254 I think they kept it going even after it should been cancelled to keep pushing the message . People can live any way they want I think but when the whole show was just a rant for the message the rest of the show suffered.

[@skylx0812]

_"Hey guys, Adam Lambert just left Batwoman."_ -ItsaGundam when Ruby Rose left the show Thats my only experience with the series, and prolly the only one necessary

[@justiron2999]

I laughed so hard when Blackbolt and Jim died to Wanda. Everyone was quiet and left in suspense because two people died but I was dying from trying to hold my laughter. I knew that it was coming but I couldn't help it it was so random.

[@justiron2999]

@Marcus Fenix Yeah, blackbolt is basically a God, yet she managed to erase his mouth but couldn't do that to the other 3? Especially the one human who had nothing but steroids and a shield? Jim just got peeled like a cheese stick and idk how black captain marvel died. Wasn't she overpowered and broken? Just like the endgame captain marvel? Plus Wanda is just a human, she can die pretty quickly.

[@peterb5235]

48:20 The way Drinker's mouth opens slightly in disbelief at the "memory store" has me DYING hahahaha!!!

[@jtparryheb]

We need to start a new movement: Multiverse lives matter. They aren't disposable just because they come from a different universe and are fodder for these writers

[@thehermitman822]

#MLM

[@blackdynamite_5470]

#MLM Where do black people pay for support?

[@wickedlester5320]

When Wanda said “no more mutants” in House of M, that was a shock and a literal game changer that affected the Marvel comic world in one amazing line. Apparently movie writers thought that was weak.

[@LucLightWolf121]

I love Jay's and Drinker's reactions to the Doctor Strange 2 spoliers.😂

[@callumsparrow4379]

Not-so Fun Fact: In the Last Jedi Top Trumps card-set, Luke Skywalker has a higher number on the Fear & Anger status than the First Order Stormtrooper.

[@DoNutx777]

The most laughable thing is the resolution in the last act, which is the laziest shonen anime writing bullshit anyone can do. One short speech and America was like "maybe I am strong all this time" and Wanda goes "oh, I've been a horrible person and just realized that now". Are they fucking kidding?

[@sippinlosses]

The Talk No jutsu

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯. Indeed. The final act was awful and laughable

[@_Dovar_]

This is by far my favorite Open Bar.

[@chasehedges6775]

Same. Especially the Dr Strange and MoonKnight breaks downs

[@Shiirow]

"shes crying and crying and no tears are coming out." Dont worry, they will add them in post production.

[@chasehedges6775]

“Don’t worry, I’ll see you in looping.” Sylvester Stallone. 😂😂😂

[@marywinchester1322]

I feel bad for Sam Raimi. He was forced to change up Spider-Man 3 and now Dr. Strange 2.

[@bromarama9980]

The writer working on Rick and Morty is another nail in the 'hack' coffin; his version of the multi-verse reminded me of the scene where the sentient phones ordered couches on people while sitting on pizza. Unfortunate that this premise has so much creative potential but its just a cheap vehicle for recycled jokes and disregarding canon.

[@justin9744]

Not to mention he only wrote ONE episode for Rick and Morty.

[@thehermitman822]

That explains the paint dimension.

[@jona3180]

With extra rotery!

[@bromarama9980]

@@jona3180 Half black guys, half hispanic

[@guywhocantgrowabeard]

To be fair the council of Rick and Morty was a good setup.

[@scottf5791]

It’s always great to see Chris Gore on here again. I think he speaks for how a lot of us feel.

[@joshuaward7222]

RIP Batwoman. You were not good, you were not fun, and you will not be missed!👋

[@johnatwood13]

This aged like fine wine cuz they were pretty spot on for what would happen in kenobi 😂

[@MegaSpideyman]

For the most part, yeah.

[@guywhocantgrowabeard]

Also, even if black bolt is killed by his own voice, we HEAR the sound he makes. So doesn't that mean the sound came out?? I'm not familiar with black bolt's character biography, but is there a rule saying his voice has to come out of his mouth to have damage? If we hear the noise, then it should still have damaged Wanda (and everyone else in the vicinity), right?

[@maizillo]

I would love to see Mauler's 3+ hour analysis of this movie.

[@seanestep4546]

Check for EFAP breakdown with Nerdrotic - they got through the first 40mins or so in 4hrs, expect a part 2 (maybe 3 & 4) in the near future.😉👍

[@maizillo]

@@seanestep4546 I was lucky to see it live!

[@S4ns]

3 hours? That will only cover the first 20 minutes. This movie was so nonsensical it will take at least a 12 hour rage to fully autopsy this turkey.

[@maizillo]

For that the +

[@MALICEM12]

I don't actually like when they get that long. It stops being concise critiques and becomes nitpicking. It shouldn't be longer than the damn movie. I don't need to hear how someone stood up from seating in the "wrong" way or something petty. Just the actual meat. His black widow movie review *really* dragged on (yes it was a bad movie, I know) but it just comes to a point of wasting both our and his time (and sanity).

[@nont18411]

This movie could be wayyy better (but still won’t be a good movie) if they acknowledge Wanda as straight up evil the same way they did with Thanos. I mean, Thanos is a bad guy. Everyone knows that but the reason he’s a fan favorite because his reasoning, albeit delusional, is compelling and he has the unmatched conviction for his cause. Yet as compelling as he is, the Avengers still consider him as evil (as it should be). Wanda, on the other hand, did all this for her own selfish reason. Which is okay if people consider what she did as wrong and actively tried to stop her for real but what we got is that the Avengers keep telling us that she did the “right thing” while the people who actually called out her actions are considered as “villains” like Hayward and Agatha Harkness (whom I still don’t know how she is evil. She killed the witches who attacked her first so it’s self defense and she killed a fake dog).

[@libertyprime6932]

And Thanos is LESS evil than Wanda, Thanos turns the Guardians into spaghetti to get away from them, then turns them back. Wanda turns people into spaghetti then blows their head apart. Thanos is doing it all in a misguided attempt to save the universe. Wanda I'd doing it because she lost imaginary kids...

[@nont18411]

@@libertyprime6932 I still consider Thanos as far more evil because he has a higher body count. But Wanda deserves to be in a villain category.

[@NathanCassidy721]

The difference is the people writing villains nowadays are morally bankrupt and have no idea what evil is because they have no life.

[@sammydray5919]

@@nont18411 Thanos was a threat to half of our main universe. Wanda was a threat to EVERY universe in the MCU. Thanos end goal was what he believed would be the "salvation" of the universe while Wanda did it all because she couldn't get over her grief and wanted her fake kids (who she can just always project again) back aka a very selfish reason. At this point Wanda is the biggest c*nt the MCU has ever seen.

[@syksis9842]

Watching this super late in the game, but I love how you guys predicted literally everything that happens in the Kenobi show. That’s hilarious. All that was missing is Obi-Wan killing Luke

[@T3noir]

Also watching late, and I was giggling like a madman listening to them predict EVERYTHING RIGHT in kenobi. God I hate Disney with every fiber of my being

[@nathanmartin7550]

I love coming back to this after seeing kenobi and seeing how drinkers' prediction actually would have been better than what we got.

[@emailandi82]

Was so excited to hear Sam Raimi was going to direct this film. And visually it had some great effects and concepts. But the story....holy shit it was a mess! Raimi did his job and made the film look stunning but the man can only do so much to save a film. Also lots of evil dead effects sprinkled throughout the movie, fucking loved that. Everything else has major problems.

[@raijn2754]

The outer layers of the film was pretty but damn the inner layers were shit

[@MuskiewisAskiew69420]

True made me just wanna watch all the evil deads. Good movies haha

[@Zathren]

Really wish people would stop giving their money to Disney. Just watch a free review online. Way better.

[@theblackflame4002]

Its all in the poor writing Raimi is a good director Elizabeth Olson is a good actress, and continues Marvel's success in casting people who really look the part, but when the script calls for you to have no direction, act good, act bad, be a hero, be a villain and BTW the plot is thinner than paper, what are you going to do? I sometimes wonder when these actors take on a role because its their job, how often they ask themselves WTF are awe actually doing, during the filming.

[@Zathren]

@@theblackflame4002 Is she? I was never blone away by her looka nor her acting.

[@rumorcontrol7873]

I just realized that the reason Chavez says the line about food is that she needs to eat so of course she would punch her way into universes that give food away for free, she's largely only ever Visited realities where food is given away to strangers because she's a bum!

[@memymomalex]

I love ** SPOILER ** that the end credits is a guy punching himself in the face over and over again, and then it stops and he's like 'It's Over!' Um...could there have been a more perfect metaphor for our experience of watching the movie?

[@chasehedges6775]

Accurate 💯💯💯

[@Darkwintre]

Dr Strange 2 lived up to what? I thought that was The Scarlet Witch movie?

[@chasehedges6775]

Ah yes, the “the main character is a side character in his own story” cliche

[@zionleach3001]

R.I.P. Batwoman you will be missed-by nobody and forgotten.

[@RedStar441]

Multiverse of Madness is so bad it took the spotlight away from Morbius. Did you guys know it got 3 trillion in ticket sales?

[@talentroller4413]

morbius is a shittier film than MoM

[@Benjamin.Jamin.]

You guys are my favourite. I love FNT but prefer the calmer, dryer, British, commentary.

[@daveeyes]

You know, I watched John Wick 2 just to see Ruby Rose get her ass kicked. She's insufferably smug. Am I a bad person? Do I need therapy?

[@chasehedges6775]

She was good in Xander Cage and, yes, John Wick 2

[@ANobodyatall]

No.

[@MuskiewisAskiew69420]

“I’ll be seeing you” as she is dying lol you will not 😂 bad writing lol

[@moonlitskylight5740]

@@MuskiewisAskiew69420 That may have meant "you'll be dead soon enough, too".

[@moonlitskylight5740]

I watch Taken to see the mom cry over her daughter being kidnapped. She and the girl treat the dad like crap. Then she's kidnapped and now dad is the best.

[@AmericanRollo]

There’s almost an irony that in a DR STRANGE movie, turns out there was more than one way to defeat Thanos

[@skyhunter2816]

Such as?

[@AmericanRollo]

@@skyhunter2816 did you watch the film? We literally see an alternate world where they defeat Thanos on Titan

[@sippinlosses]

@@bloodspittingspartan5002 it implies that he saw all the ALTERNATE WORLDS where they did win, when he did his time dream shit in infinity war. He choose to lie and shit on Tony tho, because it was the safest way for the universe, despite destroying the infinity stones. THAT'S why we get the scene where his buddy asks "was it the only way?". The MCU universe has a darkhold, and he could've gotten it 🤷‍♂️, it's right in some small town in New Jersey less than 2 hours away probably from NY. This shit is plot hole city. So maybe you, and the other guy should rewatch the movie.

[@bloodspittingspartan5002]

@@sippinlosses yeah, becsuse you still havent disproven my point, and thanos could easily put a hole in Strange's head with any of the Stone's, so yeah.

[@sippinlosses]

@@bloodspittingspartan5002 you deleted your point, I can't see it anymore

[@ra2.0yeetedition17]

Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is a “How it should have ended” gold mine. The film shouldn’t get past two minutes with the rules established

[@Yup712]

Open Bar, EFAP, FNT, and Real BBC, the best damn shows in entertainment period!!

[@coreyschultz7245]

Drunk3PO's prediction at around 1:47:10 turned out to be so spot-on, unfortunately

[@vipersb1]

Batwoman got 3 seasons, Mindhunter got 2... let that sink in a minute.

[@wickedlester5320]

Mauler would spend hours and hours blasting the Seinfeld pilot let alone Strange 2.

[@callmealex69]

So the darkhold is tom riddles diary?

[@DaveyMan8868]

2:50:48 Nobody's getting married tomorrow. It's always, "Hey, I found out I have cancer today." or, "My wife died yesterday." or "I lost my job today so here let me send you a superchat."

[@SpartyCubsFan]

1:23:01 This is the M-She-U. Gotta admire Feige - it’s one thing to destroy a dormant franchise like Star Wars or He-Man, and yet another to do so when it’s at its zenith and arguably most successful of any franchise

[@talentroller4413]

its still making huge bank at the moment. already 500 million

[@chasehedges6775]

Kevin Feige and Kathleen Kennedy are the plague of Marvel/MCU and Star Wars. If Walt Disney was still alive, I’d guarantee you he would despise them. I miss when Disney was good.

[@wwyd4akb]

It amuses me to no end that the Arand-Darren Verse is so much better than whet the mcu has become. Two Authors writing a series of novels that are/ can be related, defeat the entirety of Disney on every metric I can think of.

[@danishcartoonist545]

Good to see this stream finally up!! I’m at about 7:42 and just noticing how Drunk3P0 perfectly fits in with the artwork. It looks like Mauler’a arm leaning on the bar is him leaning on the bar. Immersion 10/10

[@Lebowski92]

Good god o'mighty 😱😁! Great catch 👍🏻!

[@danishcartoonist545]

@@Lebowski92 to be fair, Jay himself noticed and also pointed it out less than a minute later hahaha

[@Lebowski92]

Fairplay 😁. But without your comment, I would have overlooked it, so thanks 😜🤙🏻!

[@GrimGalore]

This movie is proof that Disney isn't making movies for thoughtful fans. They're making them for low IQ Disney Cultists.

[@charmandyorton006]

47:24 This is a Memory Store moment

[@anthonyeldridge4358]

I'm almost scared of what some folks might do to an AZ plushy. "And ANOTHER reason why Tom King is one of the best Batman writers....." **plushy bursts into flames**

[@chronicles8324]

about time this got posted :o) , missed it live and been checking every day to see if it was up again

[@OceanbornAngel]

I find it eerie...this Dr. Strange 2 almost sounds like a few ideas I wrote in a Dragonball Z Multiverse fanfiction I wrote a few years ago, right down to Wanda escaping her imprisonment using mirrors..except in my story it was because one of the main characters was the key to traveling through the reflective surface of choice...well for obvious reasons that I will not divulge. (Don't want Marvel to steal anymore of my ideas for their poorly written s*** shows.) If I was a Hollywood Writer I would be thinking that the hack that wrote this stole some of my narrative device ideas. Very very curious Marvel...I could have written your Dr. Strange Sequel movie light years better.

[@MyGamerforlife]

I think I’d like to read this fanfic.

[@OceanbornAngel]

@@MyGamerforlife Due to real life stress of several real life emergencies I haven't really finished writing this story, but it's people like you that convince me to finish it. I think my major issue is that I am not very good at writing action scenes, this is where I tend to get my writer's block. I guess once I can get myself a new Flash Drive to save my fanfiction I will finish it. What I haven't written yet, I have it in my head all plotted out. I just need to find a proper place to publish it free since it is a fanfiction, well that isn't Fanfiction.net because their format is awful.

[@bearjuncture]

@@OceanbornAngel Writing block is the death of most writers who are trying to enter into that type of work.

[@MALICEM12]

I highly doubt that stole an anime fanfiction, in fact it's much easier to sum it up as "nostalgia for Evil Dead and typical Disney propaganda".

[@chasehedges6775]

@@MALICEM12 💯💯

[@3djooboy]

was looking forward to Doctor Strange 2, avoided spoilers but when i saw you guys talking about it in every stream and real BBC i dropped into a non spoiler bit and OMFG...thanks for saving me Cinema money. HEaring Mauler take it apart just boggles my mind how they effed this up SO BADLY.

[@nuclearbullfrog]

Even in the comics Wanda's (Scarlett Witch) powers are hard to define, my understanding she can change reality but based on %chance. At the end of The House of M comics she uses her power to get rid of all mutants (X-men) but it only effects like 70% of mutants lose their power.

[@younggreg6155]

Honestly, Dr. Strange MoM really disappointed me. The writing from the beginning was really sub par for me and the only thing I was looking forward to was the 'fanservice-y' moments where we get to see Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt, Prof. X, and Captain Carter. That being said, somehow they even ruined those characters by having them all killed off in the most disrespectful ways.

[@chasehedges6775]

It was a mediocre film

[@DonnyDelco]

Watching this in February 2023, and the predictions about REE-vuh around the 1:40:00 mark are so hilariously accurate. Disney writers should be forced to watch this stream at least 5 times before they're allowed to write a script again.

[@JeThoreau_]

Unfortunately, even if this writers strike ends soon… Disney lately has forced writers to do pretty much the exact opposite of watching these guys

[@jonbaxter2254]

I'm liking the Ethan Hawk rennaisaince going on. Moon Knight, The Northman, hope to see him in more stuff.

[@owenabbiss3443]

hell yeah man

[@TheVoiceofKizzy]

Just a statue, just a knife, just go to the memory store.... ahhh this movie is so comforting. Nothings complicated or requires real work. So... easy

[@chasehedges6775]

Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Mediocrity and convenience.

[@fourthdrawerdown6297]

Using magic to explain logical inconsistencies is tight.

[@neosho3953]

Love these collabs! Great panel as always.

[@LCattivo]

Couldn't agree more! 12 Angry Men - what a movie!

[@magnustoth8506]

With a group like this, you’ve got more entertainment than an episode of Better Call Saul.

[@owenabbiss3443]

super random but yeah😂 i hope that’s not a dig at better call saul though

[@nont18411]

True. Unfortunately, Better Call Saul also fell victim to the “a male titular character was put aside to prop up a strong female character as a protagonist that must be loved by the fans” trope.

[@dudeduderson4077]

@@nont18411 I actually think Kim is a very well rounded character and not as agenda driven as you're stating..

[@nont18411]

@@dudeduderson4077 She is a well rounded character. It’s true. But can’t deny that Saul was sidelined in his own show for her.

[@skyhunter2816]

@@nont18411 If anything he was sidelined by literally every other male lead.

[@everythingpotatoversion1201]

My favorite part of DrStrange 2 is big cameo from Paul Mccartney where he stated that The Beatles was a hip hop group

[@skylx0812]

...thought he did that to Badfinger

[@anarionelendili8961]

Glass in the shoes: It is explained. Harrow references his 'penance' when talking to Ammit. At least I took it to mean the physical penance of pain of the glass in his shoes, etc. Trying to balance his scales before Ammit is released.

[@lolersauresrex8837]

Yeah I like most of these guys critiques but when they just straight up miss details that would explain some of their criticisms it’s just an oof, and indirectly weakens their critiques.

[@tajaniscott]

@@lolersauresrex8837 In the grand calculus of criticisms, a small missed detail means infinitely nothing in the shitstorm known as D+

[@lolersauresrex8837]

@@tajaniscott this is true

[@socialjihad5724]

I just assumed that his "penance" he was referring to was freeing Ammit in the first place

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

@@socialjihad5724 Exactly. There is more than one possible way to interpret it when you are forced to fill in all the blanks yourself.

[@miyoko_17]

8:45 when the background aligns perfectly to the video stream...😂 (look at Jay)

[@gman7497]

I do agree that they need to simplify these plots. I think using the 'multiverse' as the basis for phase 4 was a mistake, it requires like savant level of intelligence to lay it out in a sensible manner, and that level of writing is just not there. I miss Tony Stark. RDJs acting grounded alot of this stuff, he had a casual manner that made all this craziness believable. I understand he didn't wanna do the role anymore, but Feige could at least have worked harder to convince him to have a cameo or just, some kinda presence (as maybe AI Stark)

[@scottphillips8607]

I disagree, it requires idiot level intelligence to manage. Multiverse is like time travel in writing - it should only ever be a vehicle for setting up a story, not mechanic in it. It's great for setting up a story like "what if Superman took over the world," but that's where it should end. Solutions to problems should never happen through the multiverse. The problem is that the concept itself starts to break down logically extremely quickly. If you say there's an infinite number of universes each being a little different that makes all actions taken by a chacter have a net value of 0, and if you say there are a limited number you're left with having to explain why infinity isn't infinite. If your explanation is that "this specific event created one," that begs the question of why the other universe wouldn't have a different but similar event that creates another. And even worse, if you bring time travel in it becomes impossible to justify how that never happened in your second multiverse without simply saying "everyone died before that could happen." But then, *everyone* died? All of the apparently infinite races of aliens didn't create a multiverse before they died? What about ancient extinct alien species? And it goes on and on. Like I said, multiverse is a great way to pose specific "what-ifs" or hard moral questions, but as a mechanic in universe, they are the death of writing.

[@gman7497]

@@scottphillips8607 that's kinda what I meant. If you just use it as a means of creating a story it's fine. I thought the 'What If' series was a cool concept in theory, just peeking into an alternative reality to see how things COULD'VE happened if circumstances were changed. But trying to tie it into the mainline story will create nothing but problems for all the reasons you brought up.

[@mahoutsuguy863]

@@gman7497 even then they messed up the premise of what if as many of the universes shown in that series werent actually detailing what little differences would change things on a grander scale....all sorts of things were different that shouldnt have been. And yes, the multiverse is infinite but when you sell a show on the idea that we'll be seeing the familiar diverted for an alternative and then you deliver mostly whatever nonsense you wanted, its disappointing. A few of those eps were good though and couldnt been a basis for a great movie over what we got here.

[@gman7497]

@@mahoutsuguy863 I feel like they really missed an opportunity to make the episodes tonally different from the main MCU, and yeah as you stated really be creative and mess with origins and world building. Like rather than the Captain Carter episode rehashing First Avenger's plot they could have done something crazy, like the Americans being the antagonists and maybe having CC fight an evil Steve Rogers with the proto Iron man suit. The Zombies episode could have been truly horrifying but instead it used the normal MCU tongue in cheek humor. And the Thor episode basically was mainline Thor, just maybe like 15% more himbo in a plot that was kinda pointless and didn't explore anything of consequence.

[@MALICEM12]

His contract is over, get over it. The legacy characters aren't coming back and that's honestly better as it would ruin their arc and ending if they did. Let Tony have his sacrifice and Steve his "long way home". Having come back for some flash back or data log or whatever would just cheapen it and Disney would probably pull a Luke Skywalker on them anyways.

[@seanestep4546]

Love AZ and Jay (hail HeelvsBabyface and Drunk3po 🙌) and Chris Gore is the GOAT! Thanks as always for being more entertaining and informative than any "entertainment" or "news" we are firehose-fed daily 🙏👍🤘🇨🇦🐻🥾👶🐐

[@ghostnigh008]

The minute I heard what Amit's plan was thevfirst thing to pop in my head was that this is almost basically like the algorithm from project insight in Winter Soldier

[@GenMVeers]

2:28:01 *_Lucky Number Slevin_* (2006)??? Please, the makers of that movie tried _so_ hard to make a movie that'd be "cool", "smart" and "witty", that they forgot to check the plot for holes-and there are _so_ many, I quickly sold my DVD away to someone who was gullible enough to buy it 😅!

[@anvec6145]

AZ doing his Batwhamen exit bit was the best part of CW's Batwoman

[@RM_VFX]

If WWII was a current day film, they would have to debate whether Hitler was really wrong to conduct the Holocaust.

[@TheB00tyWarrior]

That's a great idea for a parody.

[@MALICEM12]

No, everything in our modern society was built of of the mythology of WWII. They will not turn their back on the canon that their power stems from. They are where they are because of WWII, not in spite of it. The allied WWII narrative that you are thinking of right now is the thing they used to get power for decades. It serves them, not you.

[@geek-topics7454]

MY GOSH! Rewatching this after Kenobi and seeing what the drinker says at 1:44:36 about Reva hinting Kenobi and Vader just being pissed at Reva, chockes her, then lets her go is such an accurate prediction. Good job drinker!!!! You're a god!

[@voorindeklas]

Watching this couple of months later. They predicted Obi One to the letter. They solved the formula.

[@sba8710]

I did that exact thing described with Dr. Strange 2. Had no clue about what was happening. Plus it wasn’t even mostly him. I don’t have Disney Plus.

[@Killallhippies401]

These guys are so great together

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep

[@Tomb_world]

With the glass in the shoes thing, Ethan Hawke’s character really briefly mentions in the final episode about “trying to atone” because he knows his scales don’t balance or whatever. But I bet about 4% of the audience was still paying attention at the point anyway.

[@shawnlaufer1601]

RIP BatWamin, she could only shine oh so bright before the end.

[@cypcyphurra8755]

My biggest issue of todays Films , Series... It's just content. Fuck me, just give me good stories and characters.

[@chasehedges6775]

Agreed. 💯💯💯

[@blankadams3120]

Holy shit, the Memory Store just reminded me: There's an MST3K episode on a movie called 'Overdrawn at the Memory Bank' about Raul Julia being... in a computer simulation... I think?

[@Fuckingusername]

Where's the superchat catch up stream? Was going to listen to it on my drive home yesterday but couldn't find it...

[@mikekloepfer7424]

Dig the intro!!!

[@hosaepalvin9795]

43:47 “well I would’ve gone with some incantation.”

[@RM_VFX]

Disney stuff feels like Funko Pops. All the same style, safe, rounded corners.

[@chasehedges6775]

It really does.

[@kwazhims3lf]

"a ha! i have outsmarted you, protaganist!" "...... reverse uno card" "---OH this is some bULLSH"

[@jotun.616]

5:32 lmao, thats the mauler line of this ep.

[@WubbaLubbaDubDubs]

We need a BiWeekly open bar. Twice the awesomeness

[@Rhbrehaut]

I’d get alcohol poisoning just from osmosis.

[@mayanksharma3651]

I'd need a couple of livers for that

[@garyhilton656]

Captain marvel can take a huge ship’s countless laser blasts, Thanos power stone but a statue was too much…1:06:29

[@arewestilldoingphrasing6490]

39:29 Double mom portal puncher LOL

[@j-mc5201]

For that’s a great opening tune

[@vladpiranha]

I loved Thorias Unlimited's Batwoman reviews. I'll miss those.

[@will14ist]

If iron man came out today peper pots would have been the one to shut down the iron monger with some hacking BS that and Tony's suit wouldn't have been enough to stop the big bad by himself.

[@saimaidar9417]

There are a lot of minor characters in Marvel that would make good standalone movies such As Sleepwalker & Darkhawk . You could do a Sub-Mariner solo movie or an Invaders movie, a Captain Britain or Union Jack movie. How about a Shamrock and Squirrel girl movie?

[@karthiks1984]

Man Drinker post this is in spotify for us audiophiles!

[@rescuehamster1734]

"Rise of Skywalker is like watching your family member getting r**ed." Yeah, thats how I felt about Moon Knight.

[@auraguard0212]

I miss being able to see submission dates on the websites. xD

[@madgeek15]

I already listened to the whole thing using reverse osmosis

[@rockinthegange]

Jay predicted obi wan perfectly.

[@wrayday7149]

I don't hate the Hela thing from Ragnarok. The movie clearly establishes she was Odin's most powerful daughter/general and she liked war too much and was banished when the 7 realms were brought to peace. Thor came after her and didn't know about her so he fought in far less hostile times than she did. So I have no issue with her being stronger and a better fighter than he was. It's just every other time they do the stronk whaman they never set it up properly.

[@thehermitman822]

Cate Blanchet sells it too.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@thehermitman822 She’s a fantastic, legendary actress.

[@MALICEM12]

@@thehermitman822 she looked really hot in that eye shadow with her hair down

[@paulaseabee8442]

I wonder if part of the success of The Northman is it's the stripped down, historically accurate(-ish) origin of Shakespear's Hamlet. Years ago, I got a DVD of Prince of Jutland (with Gabriel Byrne and Christian Bale) which was also a Hamlet base ... and that was surprisingly good!

[@NathanCassidy721]

I think it has more to do with the fact that it’s a niche movie rather than a broad mass market movie. It’s a Robert Egbert film, who gained some notoriety from The Lighthouse among the independent films audience. It’s obvious that he tried to make the setting historically accurate, piquing the interest of the historical community. And it’s clearly a one-and-done original movie which will appeal to the growing number of people sick of franchises and reboots. And it’s clearly focused on telling a good story rather than pandering to woke ideology. It’s clearly appealing to a niche that is actively being ignored by Hollywood and sucking up the money they are leaving on the table.

[@lionrek]

Dr. Strange is a side character of his own movie. Just like with all the new spiderman

[@bobcartwright7476]

I'm 95% sure Wanda told Doctor Strange she killed White Vision off-screen, no big deal. Like, she said "I put a hole in the head of the only man I've ever loved, and felt nothing." Who else could she have meant?

[@jeffmccool5690]

she said it meant nothing. meaning Thanos used the time stone to reverse it