Open Bar #16 - She Hulk, Predator 5, New Doctor Who and Rings of Power

It's a packed roster tonight as Nerdrotic, ItsAGundam, MauLer and myself talk about the trailer for She-Hulk, the new Predator movie Prey, the casting of a new Doctor, and Amazon's Rings of Power getting desperate as the fan backlash continues.

[@nont18411]

Can’t wait to see Thor cameo in “Thor: Love and Thunder”.

[@chasehedges6775]

They’re gonna do the Book Of Boba Fett thing.

[@nont18411]

@@chasehedges6775 + Loki and Hawkeye thing

[@SpFlash1523]

He’ll have less screen time than Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield had in NWH.

[@aaronrowell6943]

Man what an obscure character, I hope they get it right

[@thekinkypinkies7437]

@@newenglandrider3189 it's hard for me not to look at car crashes and train wrecks. If that makes me a lemming in your eyes, then I'm happy you're so far above that. *Claps*

[@barretxiii27]

"Name someone who suffered more than her!" The audience.

[@widexawake_]

My favourite character from ALL of Media is Freya from Final Fantasy IX. She goes through so much shit. The love of her life leaves to "find himself", only to forget that she exists when they eventually meet again. Her Kingdom gets well and truly fingerblasted, and the survivors get fingerblasted when they believe they're safe. She genuinely suffers through most people's worst nightmares but she never plays the victim, and the writers never make her obnoxious like most professional victims are today. She never puts others down to elevate herself. She uses her experience to raise herself up and helps the rest of the party moving forward. This is how you write powerful characters who suffer. If they gave us reasons to sympathise with a character, who they are superficially doesn't matter. I don't love Freya as a character because I identify with her. I can't. She's a fucking Rat Person and I'm a Straight, Huwhite Male. The narrative these days is that people need to see every facet of themselves in a character to identify with them, but that's just not true. We gravitate towards characters who have fantastic writing, and Final Fantasy IX has some of the best character development in all of media, not because of their: labels, sexual orientation, victimhood, political leanings, or Theological opinions. I hope that we can get back to writing characters and not self inserts.

[@nomaddamon2001]

0:42 - Hello 2:10 - Gary (Nerdrotic) Enters 3:25 - ItsAGundam Enters 4:40 - *She-Hulk & Marvel* 52:30 - *Prey (Predator 5)* 1:09:26 - *Doctor Who* 1:15:13 - The Point of Apathy 1:36:50 - X-Men Films 1:41:50 - *Picard* 1:55:53 - Retroactive Destruction 1:59:46 - Quantum Leap Reboot & More 2:09:45 - Superchats

[@doubtfulhenry]

Thank you for your diligence

[@Drakengard82]

Thank you so much

[@DonaldBlake287]

No ROP?

[@kevinoneil5120]

She-Hulk having total mastery of her powers without having to suffer through bouts of uncontrollable rage is like Caitlyn Jenner being awarded woman of the year without ever having suffered through a menstrual cycle.

[@widexawake_]

How dare you apply logic to someone's emotional journey like that?

[@QueenAleenaFan]

Her having mastery of her powers could be fine since it's a refined treatment and being trained by the guy who went through it the hard way, but without other side effects it could feel a bit cheap.

[@kevinoneil5120]

@@QueenAleenaFan I'm not suggesting there's not a clever way to make the scenario work. But I doubt that'll be the case here 😞

[@kevinoneil5120]

@@QueenAleenaFan Plus, the only way they can show Bruce being any kind of mentor to her is if they humiliate him and imply that she's just *better.* I'd love to be wrong, but I won't be.

[@hariman7727]

But that was actually a major part of who She-Hulk was. In the '90s cartoon, she got a blood transfusion from Bruce, and she got permanent superhuman strength but kept her mind. She was never as strong as The Hulk, but she had brains too. Now... the whole self loathing "Superheroes are narcissists, The Rich, and Orphans" thing? THAT isn't She-Hulk. She absolutely REVELED in going from a small meek lawyer to buff, sexy, AND still having her smarts.

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

A Drinker is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

[@Icanonlycountto4]

Especially during happy hour

[@baffledking9902]

Underrated comment

[@scottjackson1420]

That's like my minister at church. Since services start when he begins them, by definition he's never late!

[@FeatherRanching]

I'm convinced that big studios basically just film a huge amount of semi-random scenes, and then smash a (similarly random) selection of them together into something roughly resembling a plot.

[@Robwithakick]

They gave Hawkeye a ruthless, killer edge for those years after the Snap. Then they nerfed him down after his family returned and he remained such for “Hawkeye” the show. They barely addressed the darkness that consumed him for those years.

[@Bad_Gazpacho]

They turned my man into The Punisher and it was cool, but they dropped that way too quickly.

[@inventgineer]

I got hit with all this sexist neo-feminist bullshit from an early age, as my mother was a proud part of that cultural effort. An extremely extremely talented woman, and wasn't unloving towards me, but HOOOOLLY SHIT was it confusing growing up in an environment where to be at all aggressive or competitive or any other male traits a woman may not also experience or enjoy..... was viewed as being primitive and immoral. Years after I had left home for college, and actually started getting exposed more to male ideals and virtues?.....omg, everything about who I was, how I felt towards things, etc suddenly made so much more sense. All the self-loathing over parts of myself that led to constant conflict between myself and my mom and effeminate father?.....I suddenly realized, "oh, there is actually a way through life using these traits for good -in fact, they're not only NOT evil, they are and always have been NECESSARY to society functioning." My mother is an amazing woman and person, but her sexist one-sided views of men and what makes them good or bad?.....goddamn, made growing up as a young boy around those ideals and notions was hell. SO much internal confusion and self-loathing. Can't even imagine what it's like to have that sort of thing not only normalized at home but also completely saturating all the culture. Legitimately scary.

[@jeffreychatterton8273]

“We are a generation of men raised by women “ Tyler Durdan

[@GreatestGamer9000]

Your mother sounds like a horrible person.

[@Plax123]

You might as well have described my own mother

[@nealsterling8151]

You described my life in school.

[@aceambling7685]

Read the article "Heroes Rise and Monsters Fall" on the substack blog "Myth Pilot". You will find it very illuminating and inspiring.

[@TrigonAZR]

She Hulk- Disney's attempt of filling the void created after Batwoman cancellation

[@S4ns]

There's a real problem with the "fix it in post" mentality in current day movies. It breeds a form of laziness, not in the CGI work itself, but the fact that the directors and showrunners can just ignore tiny details, such as dirt on a face or other continuity problems, and just half-ass a quick fix on a computer instead of actually paying attention to what is going on in the scene.

[@nont18411]

46:40 Thank you for mentioning Kim Wexler. She is an example of an actual “strong female character”. She is smart, talented and resourceful but the writers never shy to give her flaws that she has to either overcome or succumb to it.

[@chasehedges6775]

Such a great female character. 💯💯💯💯

[@chasehedges6775]

but the writers never shy to giver her flaws that she has to overcome 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@victora.1329]

Yeah watching this last season I kept saying "go Kim!" It's so refreshing to see a well written female lead that is relatable and doesn't teal the male protagonist's thunder. In fact, Saul and Kim compliment each others characters in such a beautiful and twisted way

[@chasehedges6775]

@@victora.1329 Jimmy/Saul and Km are the best. ❤️❤️

[@Eluxor]

Have they talked about BCS ever? I think they might have, but I cant see Maulers podcasts because I have a life, I dont know.

[@doom4136]

I envy Gary for being able to binge Babylon 5, SG1 and Farscape for the first time. That was when sci-if tv was good.

[@TheStonewall117]

Couldn’t get into Babylon 5, sadly. But I started watching Farscape and it’s amazing so far.

[@thoughtsonfitness3249]

B5 as to be watched weekly, it was great having meet ups to discuss the arc back in the day. Watching arc episodes required multiple viewings. I had a 5.1 sound system and I even listened to the back speakers for potential mic drops…. We had some great shows from the 60’s right up-to the 90’s.

[@thoughtsonfitness3249]

@@TheStonewall117 what a shame…? Farscape is good though👍🏼

[@TheRaviotar]

@@TheStonewall117 B5 didn't start all that strong for me, I found a lot of the humor particularly cringe early on, but it really does become an amazing show. Farscape is of course awesome (although Peacekeeper Wars was a disappointment).

[@rdf4315]

Don't forget Stargate Atlantis

[@theworldsmostplagiarizedma2436]

The World War Hulk and stories like it are the reason I was so vocal about the MCU going multiversal. I thought it would be an opportunity to do the stories they couldn't do because of the strict, established cannon. Instead we get an Echo series about nothing.

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

Sadly we cant get world war hulk or many hulk stories due to rights issues but for some reason She hulk and abomination are off the table. Also the moment for any world war hulk storyline was gone since Age of ultron and ragnarok where they already referenced it. It sucks really

[@HiddenHandMedia]

This whole multiverse cop out shit and having no cannon is the reason every series on tv has gone to complete shit.

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

@@HiddenHandMedia The problem is a lot of these tv shows especially Disney case they are newbies and no names who just got the job and have no idea on what they are working on. The showrunner on Wandavisoon didnt know a lot Mephisto and fiege was the the one who added the teases to him depsite he never shows up

[@fallous]

I'm pretty sure Marvel has turned into some kind of MLM. "OK She-Hulk you can get a show but you have to recruit 3 friends in your down-line and when they get their own shows you'll get a percentage of their revenue!"

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

I think it’s as simple as they found out what a monthly sub base of paying fans feels like and are just scrambling to shove out what they can to keep people thinking about them

[@piratesnugglecakes]

I like the version of that backdrop picture where they gave Valkyrie a big handlebar mustache. The one laugh I got regarding that movie.

[@arthurrhodes3215]

Ice Pirates holds a special place in my heart. Me and my dad must have watched it a hundred times when i was a kid to the point the VHS tape wore out. Its a very good B movie imo. Super silly throughout and oozing 80's. They don't make them like this anymore

[@captainblood9616]

I don't know if I saw that.. I loved Yellowbeard though... and Time Bandits. I'll have to look Ice Pirates up.

[@roybal1975]

INDEED I LOVED ICE PIRATES I HAVE THE DVD

[@jonbaxter2254]

Nerdrotic talking about all these sci-fi shows from late 90s made me miss that era so damn much...

[@Neat0_o]

Yo that open bar opening is fooking brilliant.

[@KeonVioletWilkins]

Imagine if they explored Thor with a fraction of the grit and edge Guts from Berserk had? How would someone like that apply their previous lessons of stepping up and taking responsibility and how to protect one's own operate with those lessons taken to a logical extreme after failing to save the majority of his people and kill the man responsible for half the universe being wiped out. Marvel has always been held as the company telling human stories compared to the modern myths of DC. However they have lost themselves in unrelatable characters and a cycle of redundant world building that finds itself dated by the next work that contradicts it. A man building a suit was much more compelling than... *insert any number of boiled down ploy examples from phase 4*

[@theVictor-isVonDoom]

Infinity war came close then endgame did a huge 180° out of nowhere

[@chasehedges6775]

Iron Man 2008 was a perfect film In every way. It was made during different times than now. Back when people cared more about telling good, personal storytelling than just… whatever is going with movies now

[@theVictor-isVonDoom]

@@chasehedges6775 I still think Iron man 1 is one of the top mcu films to date

[@chasehedges6775]

@@theVictor-isVonDoom 💯💯💯

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

I just got and am reading the second volume of the deluxe berserk set and wow no way will they touch anything near what that story covers

[@javierortiz82]

My takes: - Just saw Top Gun Maverick: good movie, made me care about the characters and had me at the edge of the seat in the key action scenes. - She Hulk looks like hot Gruntilda from Banjo Kazooie, I would argue looks worse than a N64 character.

[@nickbarnett8561]

Bear and Bird think the writer's a hack, they'll never have their heroes back! *witch laughter*

[@marcelluslondon4762]

Gruntilda is already hot

[@aterriblesliceoftoast4096]

Completely agree with that sentiment about being happy that you got to have fun growing up. I’d hate to be a teen right now, could imagine myself being cancelled and castrated 3 times a week.

[@libertyprime6932]

Worse, you might become one of them. If it's what you're being fed at school every day you might start thinking it's normal.

[@Top_G_wannabe]

I’m a teen but don’t worry not one of THOSE teens

[@MemoryMori]

Yeah those days when your furniture was paint with LEAD pain and you as a baby lick it, when you eat plaster, get almost poke your eye when you play Pirates with sticks, then when you were covered in blood and get home your mom almost beat you to *** becouse you just soiled your clothes, you periodicly go to the river and almost drown yourself, you get lost in playing hide and seek and get home 3h later than you should..... And we hade McGayver, Knigh Rider, Swarcenator and Rambo :D ....yeah my childhood was aw3s0me compared to anything past 2010...

[@fesoy1174]

I feel sad for people like you, who think being bigoted is "having fun" and most likely had a bad childhood. Kids these days are better.

[@Top_G_wannabe]

@@fesoy1174 I’m a teenager yet I openly admit that our generation can’t take a joke to save their life. People have to pander to hundreds of different groups otherwise they are “bigoted”. The entertainment industry is possibly the worst example, ruining movies and shows trying to suck up to every group and forgetting to tell a good story.

[@amarawinchester963]

MauLeeeeerrrrrr! I want to give you a medal for mentioning spike and Angel! By far the best duo ever! These two needed a show only about them! I love their argument about the caveman and astronaut 🤣 how Wesley just joins them after realizing how stupid their fight was! I love them so much! Joss was so good sometimes … seriously

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

I watched predator on Saturday night after watching your chat about it. What a great movie.

[@crazyralph6386]

Great in the sense that the same film cannot be made in todays woke error.

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

Funnily enough I watched Predator 2 Saturday night. I mean I've seen it so many times but who had known that the leading character's skin colour wasn't an overriding factor in his story and that it actually had a good strong female character in it and the writers didn't feel the need to have her kicking every 200 pound man's ass. ......She did grab Paxman by the ghoulies, but it was totally within reason and was quite funny too. Glover is so damn good in that movie, forgot how solid a sequel it was.....how i miss those days.

[@stevennewlands2978]

@@gladiatorscoops4907 i did the same as you. Totally appreciate how it respected the predator lore with out copying the first and expanded on the mystery of the predators in a respectful way.

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

I had seen predator a lot of times before but not for ages. I guess it's predator 2 next movie night then. I haven't seen it before, but I do like Danny Glover. Love me some Lethal weapon

[@JadeRunner]

@@gladiatorscoops4907 I don't get Predator 2. To me it's a goofy parody of the first movie where the Predator is something of a clown ("mothafocker") and for the life of me I'll never figure out why they thought making the sequel to Predator a _cop_ movie was a good idea. And the drug lord is so over the top ("he's from the udder syde"). AND it was where they started making the Predators these nobel, honourable warriors which the original Predator never was. Just don't get it.

[@frikabg]

I love how Gundam is shocked when he hears about the new wave of woke shit coming our way! He is like ''this is not real right?! You are joking!"" :D Ohhh gundam! You are such a national treasure!

[@Helthrum]

The lore for Predators is deep and according to that they have been here from the early 1100s and they only used the wrist blades and knife until firearms enter the scene and even then they only use the cloak until semiautomatic guns.

[@Yup712]

And I found Gary from Nerdrotic’s mention of the similarities between “Babylon 5” and “ASOIAF” pretty interesting! Your pop culture and comics knowledge will never bore me Gary! LOL

[@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt]

"Midnight" is one of my all time *FAVE* episodes of any filmed entertainment, *ever* . From start to finish, best pacing you can ask for.

[@chasehedges6775]

17:19 What isn’t rushed these days. Good grief, I miss when films and TV shows were allowed to be slower and take their time with things. The Lord Of The Rings films were well made because of that and Breaking Bad is one of the best TV shows made *because* they took their time and you got to connect and relate to the characters.

[@gloriousmongoose]

Actually allowing for a character arc?! MADNESS!

[@chasehedges6775]

@@gloriousmongoose 💯💯💯💯

[@chasehedges6775]

@@gloriousmongoose THIS IS SPARTA!

[@gloriousmongoose]

@@chasehedges6775 Imagine actually having characters believably progress in some way? Hah! So stupid.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@gloriousmongoose Yeah, screw that crud. We can’t have characters making mistakes, facing their mortality, learning more about themselves and the world and figuring things out or becoming a better versions of themselves. That’s just dumb nonsense.

[@SumDumGy]

Marvel has always been able to do a solo Hulk film without Universal. From Feige’s own mouth, Universal only had first right of refusal distribution rights. That’s it. Nothing has been done with the Hulk in over a decade. Even those rights should have lapsed long ago. Feige stated very clearly that the only reason a solo Hulk sequel was never made was that he didn’t view it as financially viable. This incorrect narrative on this situation has been going on long enough. The facts have been out there for nearly ten years now.

[@darkknight57691]

More Gundam please. He's always so funny. Him laughing more and more at 2:01:47 is great

[@Geminias]

When I first heard the premise for the new Predator I just assumed that the origin of the lost colony of settlers with the whole Croatoan thing would feature and the Predator would be the reason the town disappeared.

[@aegaeon117]

Universal Studios still owns rights to The Hulk, that's why World War Hulk was mixed in with Thor Ragnarok.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Still think that film is underatted as hell, Tim Roth was great in it.

[@MegaSpideyman]

None of that counts as Planet Hulk or World War Hulk.

[@blankadams3120]

Something I realized last week: When Cap caught Mjolnir in Infinity War? Did he get the metal plate bikini? No. So, why does Jane Foster get the outfit?

[@jxetv5049]

Hey! Logic isn't allowed here! Away with you! /s

[@NoQuarterNoMercy1]

I think she’s going to be a different Jane from another universe.

[@Ceyx000]

Cap was already wearing armor. If he wanted, he could have altered what he was wearing. He was likely preoccupied with not losing to galactic genocide Grimace. It's a Breast plate, it's in the name.

[@lance134679]

All our beloved IP laid to waste. Fortunately, those old movies still exist. It is a shame as this should be a golden age of film and TV - the technology and fan base are there. What's missing are the top-tier creatives being free to make these new shows great. What should be a culture of excellence has become a culture of ideology.

[@NickSlaten333]

I really think one strong female character I really like that is overlooked is Dr Elizabeth from Stargate Atlantis. She was in charge, smart, and very reasonable. She also knew she was a scientist and didn't try to be anything she wasn't. I really miss that show.

[@MaxPower-zc8nf]

Stargate never preached. Ever.

[@danielquick988]

Having a few beers listening to this podcast. Love listening to all your opinions, gives a lot of insight on some things I may have missed

[@1701EarlGrey]

1:06:34 - yes, Garry and the best one was original "Batman vs Predator" - which was my introduction to Predator. And now Disney will introduce "Pocahontas vs Predator" - a tiny, Indian woman will do better than whole squad of special forces soldiers from 80's... to bad those Indians didn't do so well against XIX century US cavalry armed with Colt pistols and Winchesters rifles - I totally can believe that those Indians are better than space hunter who destroyed team from first Predator movie...🤣

[@andrewhoffman1087]

Edit: I posted this before I got to Drinkers comment that pretty much states what I was also saying. Not trying to plagiarize: just editing this for the record. I think part of the reason those of us in The Lord of the Rings fandom are still ready to fight is not just because it hasn't fully been abused to hell and back just yet, but because we know it is done. Yeah, the hobbit movies were far, FAR from great, but they weren't the worst things to come out of Hollywood. Plus, a lot like the Star Wars prequels, they didn't ultimately change anything too crucial about the originals. Things could have gone worse with those films, and I don't think we will get that luck with Amazon. But, regarding the story being finished, again, the main quest is over, and our heroes' stories are basically all told. Yes, there are appendices, in the back of the Return of the King. Yes, the Silmarillion is the Genesis of Middle-Earth and all of its tales. But that's really it. Again, the main line story is DONE. There is no new ring to destroy, or Infinty Stone to collect: It. Is. Done. And this is a part of WHY it worked as a movie series. There was a clear goal, with a beginning, middle, and end. MARVEL, the Predator movies, Terminator, and all these other franchises are being forced to continue, well past there expiration date. Adding anymore to them is just like putting more seasonings to a roast that's already been burned, from being left in the cooker far too long. It's pointless, and ultimately pleases no one, or worse, just makes people more bitter and angry then if you had just accepted the loss and tried something new. I've posted this sentiment, or nearly identical comment on many videos, but The Lord of the Rings is the hill that I will die on. No studio can take away what we already received, but I cannot bare the thought of them adding to, and tarnishing - "improving" - something that was so great.

[@Mitchell_Gant]

I would love you guys watching/rewatching Stargate SG-1, Atlantis and maybe even Universe. And Samantha Carter is indeed a great, strong and likeable female character, on of those that allegedly didn't exist before Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel( FUCK OFF MOVIE).

[@aaronrowell6943]

Well you see they didn't make her so she doesn't count. At this point that seems to be the only defense that these people who have no talent have for whenever somebody points out the obvious countless examples of strong female characters who are awesome and that everybody loves but they want you to like their new stuff that is either insulting or just not that great

[@mrq1]

Except for that third episode in Season 1. Dialed her up to feminazi for that one. *Cringe*

[@Grivehn]

Yes, please. There are rumors of it coming back, with the show's continuity and one of the original head writers, and likely a bunch of cameos. Wouldnt that be nice... Universe was getting off its feet in the 2nd half of the 2nd season, when it got axed, too. That ep. when they brought back McKay and Langara (Jonas' world) was just a french kiss for longtime fans.

[@theVictor-isVonDoom]

Amanda Tapping should've played Powergirl I'll never forgive Hollywood for letting her age too far to play the character that was IDENTICAL to her appearance

[@mohitprakash1408]

)In this era of hollywood movies, Nyeteri from Avatar(2009) is a strong female character. in humble my opinion. I know everbody likes to hate avatar right now but i will say it nonethless.

[@hirnbreg]

"This far and no further" gave me Gandalf on the bridge vibes "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, weilder if the flame of Anor. You Cannot Pass! ..."

[@kurington.blogspot7876]

Nerdrotic makes every conversation better. He brings not only his own sanity filled wisdom into it, but also brings up the best out of who he is having a conversation with. Made for this job.

[@HerohammerStudios]

He makes every conversation worse. He brings way too much sexist incel rage

[@hbleblanc205]

A Predator movie set in Shogunate Japan would be really cool.

[@chasehedges6775]

I’d be down for that

[@hbleblanc205]

@@chasehedges6775 really easy set up and the people who just have to have diversity could get it. Everyone could love this film.

[@crazyralph6386]

Disney would just have them go up against non existent female Samurai’s, like this silly Comanche princess? So utterly contrived and nonsensical, pitting a 90lb little girl with a bow and arrow against a 7ft 2 375lb alien with an array of high tech weaponry. Even without them, it would be a huge mismatch???

[@kevink1575]

^I don't have an issue with a female native. Some tribes were matriarchal (although they still sent their men to fight), but superhuman acts by tiny female characters are way too much to stomach. But who knows? Maybe we'll get a realistic female protagonist like Ripley and it'll be great....but I doubt it.

[@TheJollyMisanthrope]

Remove the movie logic that says a Katana can cut through anything and the Predators wipe the floor with everyone.

[@jotun.616]

That description of hulk roaring and all the females scoffing is so accurate to real life. They wouldnt be scared of hulk, not cuz hes weak, but cuz hes not allowed to hit them. And just like real life, one dude deciding to blast a chick in the face would send the rest running in a panic.

[@policesquad]

please upload these earlier or stop privatising them on your main channel. sometimes this loses its relevance uploading it nearly a week after it was aired.

[@Dinosreviews]

An example of a female boss getting her comeuppance would be in the film Wanted. However, you’re so right that would never happen nowadays.

[@governorboltz]

Back to the Future, Gremlins and Conan have yet to be tarnished (the Jason Momoa Conan wasn't good, but it wasn't insulting), and let's keep it that way.

[@Jetstoanywhere]

Who suffered more than Wanda? Lots of people , you point to a normal person on the street and they suffered more than wanda

[@TheRaviotar]

Anyone who can't just use magic to solve all their problems has suffered more than Wanda

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

I mean she’s suffered a ton man.

[@rhyshughes9156]

With Q n Sisqo, the next line was great. "I'm not Picard"... "no, you can be prevoked"

[@hadayimosi]

They missed a trick with She Hulk. They should have just turned Bruce Banner into Brenda Banner and fully committed to their cult of woke, taking out two birds with one stone. It was Disney's chance to shove in "THE MESSAGE," and they/them blew it.

[@ricardoroque3415]

🤣🤣😂

[@DisTra]

Don't you mean Caitlyn Banner?

[@DivineFalcon]

@@DisTra Nope, alliterations (rhyming names) is pretty much a requirement for comic book characters: Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, Steven Strange, Reed Richards, Matt Murdoch, Sue Storm, Miles Morales, and of course the most egregious of them all: J. Jonah Jameson Jr. I've barely scratched the surface on such names just in Marvel (DC is just as bad), but you get the idea.

[@hakan7346]

Just watched Topgun 2. There are some flashback scenes and some clone scenes from the first movie but its a fun movie its an optimistic good old movie IMO. I liked it and will watch again. Good closure. Looking forward to future TOP GUN movie marathon nights. I am sure there are many things you can pull apart but in the end I didnt want to do that. I know its flawd but the feeling it leaves you with is real. You dont need to pixelpeep a good photograph.

[@DavidMoore-bl7gb]

Ice Pirates and Yellowbeard two movies my 3 younger brothers and I mention often over a shared bottle of Bourbon. One thing I did no know about Ice Pirates til after watching a great mini-doc about the making of the movie. Initially it started as a serious space epic but after watching the early cuts the writer/director and actors decided it was much better to take itself not so seriously and go a more comedic route. A very good decision as the movie is hilarious and would be so forgettable as a more serious film. Yellowbeard are a few python players which is more than enough for 30 years of inside jokes and quoting for my family. " Stagger , Stagger, get shot, crawl , crawl.. "

[@AShockToTheSystem]

All these shows, all these remakes, reimagining, adjustments made for "modern times", all supposedly for the "global audience". And yet, the "global audience" they have in mind and cater to is western countries, primarily the US. They are so self-centered that the rest of the world does not matter to them. In fact, the world should just quietly adjust and blindly accept all these new, superior "western values" that are being pushed on them (same values that even the western population is rejecting). Because, of course, those that talk the loudest about valuing other cultures and about "decolonization", are the ones that will gladly stand on the vanguard of a new wave of conquest, to bring "civilization and enlightenment" to the world. Except this time, it's ideological conquest, through modern media. But that's ok, the rest of the world is just laughing at them. China already has Hollywood by the balls, others might join soon.

[@jb6563]

Finally! When do these happen? I've only ever caught 1 during the live broadcast and that was by complete accident. I hate waiting for the re-upload.

[@devilsdenadam1558]

Ice Pirates was 80’s Gold….

[@laughingmask3118]

BREAD THREE TIMES ON THEOR GROCERY LIST THAT ONE KILLED ME

[@Soyuz2578]

Just what I needed for the long train ride home niiiiiice

[@moneyball7908]

Best feeling sometimes when that happens, enjoy!

[@Starwarslegorob]

I love the backlog of Open Bar ! Hours & Hours of Top Notch Entertainment ! Cheers 🍻

[@keenananderson-fears2430]

Your points on Disney not being able to write male characters with "edge", goes back to Jordan Peterson's line about being able to be a monster. The preverbal becoming one with the shadow a la Tool 46&2 and Carl Jung. In order to be strong capable people, the übermensch, you must confront and become one with the darkest parts of you. Then and only then can you be a hero. Disney's inability to write this is reflected in all their male protagonists in the modern era vis a vis Simba vs Boba Fett. One has to kill his uncle the other has his edge taken from him. This however creates a society in which people are able to determine for themselves their own needs and desires and are no longer dependent.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Remember back in the early days of marvel when banner admits he had enough and tried to kill himself but the hulk wouldn't let him die......PPSSSSSSTTTT NEVERMIND THAT KIDDY GARBAGE BECAUSE SHE HULK CANT FIND A DATE ON TINDER

[@fesoy1174]

Imagine unironically quoting Jordan Peterson. Yikes on several bikes.

[@JadeRunner]

@@fesoy1174 imagine buying into the corporate press's narrative on Jordan Peterson. 🤦‍♂️

[@richtifilmpalast5373]

I loved ""Ice Pirates" !! :-D Robbert Urich as swashbuckling starship captain! :-D

[@vanhopecomedy]

46:41 Yes thank you for shouting out about Kim Wexler. Fantastic character!

[@theglanconer6463]

Hell yeah Yellowbeard and Ice Pirates. Brings me back to my youth. Fun movies, great memories, still quite a few years to go for my first Lagvulin though. Ah well..

[@thelastmotel]

Space Herpes

[@megadeuce2350]

Predator talk was hilarious. Also the Preds can time travel

[@nont18411]

My prediction for the new Thor movie. - Thor is gonna be chastised so hard for being how big of a failure he is and how he is so unworthy of the throne because of being fat, in contrast with “Mighty Thor” which we be shown about how awesome she is. Because in Marvel, male’s grief is a laughing stock that should be ridiculed and condemned. - Nobody will ever bring up Valkyrie being a former slaver. - Thor and Star-Lord will be a gay couple, mainly to mock Chris Pratt (because Marvel had done it once in Star-Lord comics a few years ago by making Star-Lord gay or bi).

[@ivayloivanov7231]

Not forget black asgardians BS!

[@chasehedges6775]

Nobody will ever bring up Valkyrie being a former slaver. Looking back, yeah, that just bugs me immensely.

[@MultiCommissar]

> Because in Marvel, male’s grief is a laughing stock that should be ridiculed and condemned. Welcome to Western civilization.

[@Greggah]

Look its ”empowering” when black women do it to white men.

[@markhill3858]

my prediction .. its taika it will be really good :)

[@WarriorTier]

2022 Marvel is a reminder that existence is pain

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯💯💯💯. It’s pathetic

[@WarriorTier]

@@chasehedges6775 it’s gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better

[@chasehedges6775]

@@WarriorTier Life in a nutshell.

[@gaelofariandel6747]

Marvel Meseeks: "I can't take it any more! I just wanna die! Existence is pain!"

[@crazyralph6386]

After they defile Obi Wan, it’s time for EVERYONE to move on from giving these fawks their money, to watch them systematically destroy each and every beloved franchise? Don’t even give them the satisfaction of a critique, as they all probably get off on it, since they’re all sociopaths.

[@hiighcalibre]

Voyager ruined the Borg when they gave them a queen. The writers didn't even understand their own material, they were a collective consciousness not a hive species.

[@friskyfreebe]

Watching this for the second time. Good back ground stimulation while I play some ark. Thankful to the powers that be for uniting mauler and drinker.

[@blemishednicely8402]

My favourite Brent Spiner role, outside of Data, is as the villain in that movie where he keeps sinister-laughing & loudly farting simultaneously throughout the film... (to quote John Callahan's "QUADS":) ...I...smell...EMMY!!!~

[@phoenixproductions2846]

"The good times are freaking over" Gundam Hit hard being a teenager who hangs out with adults alot feeling like my teenage years are but scraps of what there's were like it really does suck man

[@Brownie-ms6sv]

Don't worry about it. As someone who actually lived through the 80's, I can tell you they weren't as amazing as everyone makes out. Back then we used to look back at the 60s as some kind of lost golden age instead. Its a generational thing, nostalgia always makes the past look better than it actually was.

[@phoenixproductions2846]

@@Brownie-ms6sv yeah makes sense I just can't help but think things were at least alittle better then but I suppose I wouldn't know

[@supergrovah2729]

I was today years old when I discovered that Critical Drinker hangs out with my favorite streamer, Nerdrotic...... and just like that, I went on a video binge and haven't found the "bottom of the bottle" yet. Maybe THIS one...... ;)

[@EGuevarra01]

Drinker you should do a singular video outlining "The Formula" - like a checklist with multiple examples all over from Marvel, DC and otherwise. You're always mentioning it but might worthwhile to have a video you can reference too, because yeah you see it eeeeeeverywhere! Anyways, Cheers!

[@datessemoya6201]

I think a loose adaptation of the Predator Concrete Jungle video game could be fun and it has a fairly good story to work with

[@F1rstWorldNomaD]

Thor wasnt a great movie or anything but I did kinda like it. It was kinda charming and even wholesome at times and they did the whole "fish out of water" thing really rather good. He felt really out of place but not like it was forced. It felt like how a person like Thor would actually behave in such circumstances. One of my favorite jokes in Marvel is in Thor where he walk into the pet store and in a very "I am the lord and you are my subjects" kinda way belows out "I NEED A HORSE"!" and the guy behind the counter goes: "Errr, we sell cats and parrots and stuff" and Thor replies with great authority, confidence and regal regal tone "Then give me one big enough to ride" The joke in itself is kinda so-so but the deliver is just fakking awsome. When he enters and demands a horse is just so falwless as to how I would imagine a pompous, douch who knows nothing about the place or situation hes in would act. It completely cracks me every time.

[@elwootador]

Just an aside. Who made your opening theme? It's a banger and I love it.

[@johndurham6172]

Echo is going to be like that wrestler who had one leg, he was interesting for a few minutes but faded fast.

[@randycliff4045]

Interesting comments -- enjoyed it. I thought of a 40yr old movie during the talks; "Outland (1981)" with Sean Connery and Peter Boyle, is a Federal Marshall plot at a mining colony set in space (on a Jupiter moon). I remember really enjoying it, but haven't seen it in many, many years.

[@chrisschulz88]

1. Arnold could come back as an older agent. 2. Aliens are overtaking parts of earth, humans (marines) and predators teams up to wipe out the aliens on earth.

[@Mark-G1978]

Love you guys.. what’s with The Punisher look with Valkyrie? Lmfao

[@beatrizfernandes1506]

I'm surprised nobody has come out and exposed these new Hollywood guidelines about representation as a rehash of the Hays code. Cause that's what it reminds me of; except under the Hays code they could still write characters..

[@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt]

"for a bowl of _soup_ " ... 🤣 😂

[@redtigerproduction8627]

Yo when hulk said "leave me alone" in Edward Norton's hulk movie had me smile

[@SansoHumar]

Here from the future. Man are you guys in for a treat.

[@MrEmpireBuilder0000]

The one role Oscar Isaacs really shone was in Denis Vilenue's Dune. Gotta say he was a badass Leto Atreides. Of course, he shared the same fate as Sean Bean's Ned Stark but those were really great roles to inhabit.

[@Cowboycomando54]

The problem with the new Top Gun movie is how during production, Tom Cruise was a complete shit head to the sailors on the Theodore Roosevelt during filming. Sailors were give a direct order to not even look at him and to make way in th P-way when ever he passed. Even the CO was forced to give up his cabin so Tom could stay in it.

[@Drawnartist]

Really? That's messed up

[@Kwistoweeish]

14:24 If he’s a tough character to build a movie around, and then I guess you would have to be a good writer to do it well. And also, how many times have we revisited King Kong? His movies are of varying levels of quality, but there are compelling things that you can explore.

[@kylieblair9171]

Would love to see you all review/look into the series Raised by Wolves, set in the Alien (Ridley Scott) universe. It got cancelled recently after season 2. Damn shame, one of the few recent projects that's been run by a group that's actually passionate about what they're doing and it's clear in the end result, they even had Ridley working and advising on things with them.

[@Adino1]

45:35 kek 1:49:54 that is a hilarious insult, I'll have to remember that one

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

Ice Pirates is fantastic! The movie Mr, Drinker needs to watch if he hasn’t seen it, is THE FINAL COUNTDOWN. Think Top Gun, but with time travel, World War II, actual aerial combat, United States Navy, Martin Sheen, a dog, the villain from the first Muppet movie, Hawaii Pearl Harbor. Also, the song the final countdown is not in the movie because the movie came out years before the song was released.

[@ephasm]

They should do a Hulk Year 1, but treat it like a Kaiju film

[@culturesend1704]

Anna Taylor Joy's first "breakout" role was a drama/thriller called "Hanna" where she plays a genetically engineered super assasin

[@AnimalMkIV]

With the state of Hollywood at the moment, I fully expect Top Gun 2 to have Maverick's plane replaced by a black helicopter after the opening scene.

[@KeonVioletWilkins]

If you look closely there are times Drinker lines his arms and chest up perfectly with the small bit of Tess Thompson peeking out.

[@daveeyes]

Tessa Thompson... showing her dynamic acting range, from A to B.

[@leipzigergnom]

Honestly, Oscar Isaac's best role was probably Joseph in "The Nativity," a small film about Jesus' birth.

[@obiwanmacleod5439]

I actually liked the Ed Norton Hulk

[@OniFeez]

I think they made a mistake with giving the reigns back to Taika whose solution to Thor is to just make it a comedy of errors, because his origin is obviously comedy (What we Do in the Shadows). I think humorous points in the movie is more than fine, but when it becomes a comedy, then that's the problem.

[@25meip]

They marketed Jojo Rabbit as a comedy. I don't think he CAN do anything sincere and not completely undercut with comedy

[@Drawnartist]

He also did a show called flight of the Conchords also a comedy

[@thelaughingrouge]

I don't even need to see this movie, we all know how every beat of this things is gonna go note for note.

[@thelastmotel]

I am surprised that we haven't had the Amadeus Cho (Brawn) Hulk in the MCU yet.

[@teddyharvester]

At this point I have to wonder - did the Russos make Endgame the way they did on purpose just to fuck with everything and everyone that comes after? Like, they make all these bafffling decisions, and right after a movie of so many absolutely boss decisions, just to make the MCU seemingly uncontinuable in any coherent way, just saying "good luck fuckers" to all the writers and directors who will have to pick up from there... Maybe they saw where it was going and just wanted go show us that this is where anything decent cuts off.

[@MatthewRecko]

Midnight is by far the scariest and most gripping episode. The writes convinced me for 15 min that the docs plot armor was kaput and that we light lose him. Def something to be said about how constraints and limitations can breed creativity.

[@BoozenBoard]

Predators aren't just monsters, they have culture...that should have been the focus of any sequels. Predator POV, subtitles.Go through their training, rituals etc Some great novels on the subject