Criticising Mohammed or Islam is NOT Islamophobia - but Labour Wants to BAN ALL Criticism

Our guest on this week's Whittle is Tim Dieppe, Head of Public Policy at Christian Concern and author of an upcoming publication on free speech & Islamophobia. Tim & Peter discuss "Islamophobia Revisited" (www.civitas.org.uk/publicatio... ), a new report by Civitas' Hardeep Singh.
Tim reveals the disturbing ways in which criticism of Islam is being silenced. All Parliamentary political parties except for the Conservative Party have adopted a broad and "problematic" definition of Islamophobia which links it with racism and makes any legitimate criticism of the religion "Islamophobic".
In Islamophobia Revisited, Hardeep Singh conducts a thorough investigation into how Islamophobia is defined by local authorities describing a ‘panoply’ of different approaches and definitions.
In response to a large-scale Freedom of Information exercise, Singh discovers that one in seven (15.6 per cent) local authorities in England have adopted a definition of ‘Islamophobia’ described by the government as ‘not fit for purpose’. Singh finds 22.7 per cent of Welsh local authorities and 25 per cent of Scottish local authorities have adopted this disputed definition.
The adoption of a disputed definition of Islamophobia has ‘taken on a life of its own’ according to Singh, who raises concerns over conflating race with religion and claims that ‘Islamophobia is a type of racism.’
Singh raises concerns over an officially recognised definition of Islamophobia, something he says ‘conflates race with religion’ across local authorities. Singh provides compelling evidence that not enough due diligence or scrutiny has been conducted by local authorities over their approach to defining Islamophobia as a form of racism, with concerns over free speech ‘largely dismissed.’
Singh claims the adoption of a disputed definition of Islamophobia prevents ‘an honest conversation about public policies relating to faith or religion, or basic historical truths’, and recommends that local councils do more to protect free speech and avoid critics of religion or religious practice being described as ‘racist’ and potential prosecution under hate speech laws.
You may read "Islamophobia Revisited" here: www.civitas.org.uk/publicatio...
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[@brianwayes3536]

With you in spirit from Australia

[@caspice]

Mohammed was not a true Prophet, because a true Prophet is not allowed to steal, kill (he was a warlord), own slaves (he had a black female sexslave) or even force people to follow his religion (6-700 men and boys, who would not convert to Islam, got their throat cut by Mohammed and his gang). And he also went to Hell and not Heaven as Muslims claim he did.

[@colinfeltham7293]

Unfortunately this clashes with a Reform Conference in London on the same day.

[@EmanuelJames-es8sn]

Forget China immigration from India will overwhelm west

[@EmanuelJames-es8sn]

Let's talk about real figures. Without any hatred the so called legal immigration is not legal. A mix of hundreds of thousands of student visas mostly from India. Dodgy work permits and fake care companies selling visas

[@richardgoodman3350]

Criticism of Islam should be taught in uk schools

[@caspice]

Not enough.....ban Islam...in all the world.

[@PAUL25926]

I’ll go back to school if they do 👍

[@ericdelf]

Along with critical thinking.

[@endpc5166]

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[@endpc5166]

Esp in vi𝜖w that 𝜄slam is an 𝜊pen d𝜖claration of w ar & w𝜄ll to subj𝜇gate aga𝜄nst all non-Musl𝜄ms that it sp𝜖ws hatr𝜖d t𝜊ward in its Q uran.

[@chiaraimpeduglia1308]

Islamophobia is literally Islamic blasphemy law under false name. A phobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about fearing Islam.

[@havenbastion]

It literally requires taking over the world and subjugating all non-muslims.

[@n0odles86]

​@@87stevanchanged the meaning again, did they?

[@songsmith31a]

Logic and Islam seem incompatible. Is that comment "Islamophobia"?

[@tuveuxlademocratieoutuveux4692]

*And anyway that's not the point : we don't HAVE TO LIKE Islam ! This is NOT an obligation in a western democracy ! As we may dislike Scientology or Christianity, why would it be illegal to dislike Islam ??*

[@agbjorn953]

Well said!

[@tavuzzipust7887]

I wonder how many Islamic countries are preparing legislation aimed at preventing Christianophobia.

[@leonardgibney2997]

Everywhere where Islam rules Christians are persecuted. Murder and rape are common. The BBC won't tell you this.

[@kathleenswift7979]

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[@PAUL25926]

NONE .

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

The Taliban jailed already people who did try to spread Christianity. Also an Church in Saudia is not possible today.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

And Israel

[@seandelap8587]

When you feel the need to put your religious ideology above criticism than it clearly can not stand up to scrutiny in the first place

[@leonardgibney2997]

I was raised RC. This doctrinaire religion tries to corral its followers into a kind of groupthink. This way it retains control, that's what it's about. It used to burn dissenters or 'heretics' at the stake to reinforce the point. We dumped this medieval way of thinking opting for secular freedom of speech. The Labour Party wants to return us to something like those times apparently. But maybe it's about the Muslim vote. They love migrants because most of them end up voting Labour.

[@davfree9732]

Not even the Christian God is above blasphemy. Christians may not like it when it happens but they reconcile that God is above blasphemy and, critically... 'Turn the Other Cheek'. Islamic faith on the other hand is based on war that the bibles new testament turned away from to embrace peace. If their idea of God is criticized... then kill the blasphemer. Facts are facts. The Bible and Koran are two opposing ideologies of who God is. And even those who don't believe in God should take stock of the types of people the two religions churn out at the ideological level.

[@jannenreuben7398]

Exactly. The Islamic mythos is a complete mess and its apologists are even worse than Christian ones (that's a low bar). I've seen countless films of so-called scholars being ripped apart by the likes of Matt Dillahunty and Aron Ra.

[@HarrySmith-hr2iv]

But law thru out North America, UK and Europe makes it illegal to criticise Due-daism. So surely it must be against the law to criticise Islam?

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

@@mohamedali2858 When you make an 54 year old pervert,who did marry a 6 year old toddler,a prophet. Then whe have ALL the right to criticize that peadophile criminal

[@kellykreqeli8924]

That's because most of them are Muslim in government which is why I'm voting reform uk

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

If you think voting will make a difference then you are part of the problem. Anyone who thinks we can work within this contorted system to peacefully redress our grievances is seriously delusional.

[@annemarieforprimeminister8020]

Anne Marie is standing in Hartlepool - she is better on Islam than Tice, or anyone else for that matter.

[@LeeGee]

I will go on the record as saying fundemental Islam is fundamentally antagonistic to my values of live-and-let-live liberalism.

[@JH-ck1nr]

Well said. Who the f do these people think they are!!!!

[@vincentl.9469]

@@JH-ck1nr whatever your thoughts on the conservatives, NEVER vote for Labour ..🙏

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

Bro, it is not sufficient to state your view. We must all (like minded) press our elected representatives and govts. to state unequivocally that islam is not a religion, it is a hateful, bigoted, supremacist, violence-inciting politico-criminal organisation masquerading as a religion.

[@anthonybartlett6924]

it goes for all of islam not just the fundamentalist lunatics.

[@asongforsimeon4310]

Your "live-and-let-live liberalism" is the reason why we have mass Islamic immigration in the first place. If you have a liberal open society, it will inevitably be subverted. Liberalism is the problem, not the solution.

[@davidbrowne5222]

I live in Hungary now and I Am proud to be a Islamic-fobic. 😯

[@caspice]

A growing number of ethnic Hungarian converts to Islam....wiki about Islam in Hungary.

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

Orban for president of the EU

[@MrPhilfridge]

@@caspice surprising i thought they were one of the few European countries left with common sense and who are prepared to poke two fingers up at all this stuff

[@tenniskinsella7768]

@davidbrowne I'm.certainly against Muslims like hate preachers who want Britain to be muslim and they are hateful calling people infidels I don't know how many people coming over the English channel are Muslim but Muslim or not Europe and other countries just can't have all these immigrants

[@randlemcmurphy4983]

Scary future ahead for the English of England.

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

If you are naive and bury your head in the sand like the proverbial ostrich, you leave your backside exposed for abuse.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Our people need to organise for bulkanisation

[@benfisher1376]

It's no doubt coming to Ireland Wales, and Scotland soon.

[@randlemcmurphy4983]

@@benfisher1376 they might be able to do something about it, its not to late

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

It’s not future. It is now.

[@lukec1146]

This is very concerning. Free speech is an innate human right and must include the ability to criticise ideologies and religions.

[@FirstLast-rb5zj]

The thing is that the average person doesn't appear to understand is that this is something that already happened over a decade ago. Tony Blair removed old blasphemy laws that were inactivated and replaced with with new blasphemy laws against Islamophobia. Tony Blair also made himself the architect of the country and declared that we're going to become an Islamic country. One of the reasons for this is money. He literally sold out the country to Saudi Arabia.

[@eliakimjosephsophia4542]

Most MPs don't know the law because successive governments have been breaking Human Rights Laws, one of the reasons that Amal Clooney resigned from the role that Boris gave her to persuade other countries to embrace Human Rights.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Try talking about j financial power.

[@eliakimjosephsophia4542]

Busy telling people that they might not have any milk next week. @@evolassunglasses4673

[@Carroty_Peg]

it's not an innate human right - human rights don't exist, they are a construct from a civilisation

[@nizviz]

Politicians have no right to decide what we believe or dislike.

[@lasttango7522]

Don't vote for Labour then. Its obvious they would enshrine this in law. How long before we say 'get lost' to the lot of them. Are we going to spend another 5 years of being frightened to speak. Sick to death of these muppets.

[@nizviz]

@@lasttango7522 absolutely 💯

[@scbluesman13]

So it's somehow wrong to criticize a religion, but totally OK to violently attack those who do? I call hypocrisy & bullshit on this.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Owen the left wing spokesman things Muslims are blamed for things they haven't done a d they are persecuted. I'm surechridtian people a road in Eastern countries get persecuted . I'm sure I read thst Christians are getting killed. He ignored hate preachers and the attacks they do on people said the people coming across the channel were perfectly decent people. Well I know some are not

[@bottleneckbobbridgemusic440]

So because I am an Atheist, andvdo not acknowledge the existence of any gods, I can get a criminal record! How is that equality?

[@havenbastion]

It's about idiocy, not equality.

[@missasinenomine]

Because Islam wants to impose Sharia. In every country in the world.

[@michaelwhite8031]

It's because people won't stand up for Christianity we are in this situation.

[@LR-kr9sz]

Lol the world doesn’t need your kind. Fear God

[@annemarieforprimeminister8020]

Islam doesn't recognise equality with any other belief system.

[@saffronsolo9668]

It would be a nightmare to elect a Labour government. It is already a bad dream under the Conservatives. Where can we turn now? Why doesn't Britain insist on all citizens living in accordance to British laws?

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

All residents should, not just citizens.

[@tommyrotton9468]

the problem is we left the EU but never left the influence and dominance of European law, instead we have a legal and authority still dreaming of returning to the EU gravy train.

[@Leypath14]

Join the BNP like I did.

[@tommyrotton9468]

@@Leypath14 the BMP and EU have a lot in common, after all the EU is just the Germans 4th Reich

[@templarknight1189]

All these councils across Britain are mainly labour councils, with majority Muslim councillors and mayors. It won’t be long before our government is totally Muslim, and they will run our country as a Muslim state.

[@mrror8933]

What is most disappointing is the apathy of ordinary British voters.

[@leigh-mariehamilton3361]

​@@mrror8933have you noticed that all those who refuse to criticise Islam tend to be the people who will be affected most - single parents, unmarried couples living together, homosexuals, and those females who wear short skirts and low tops - ?

[@mrror8933]

@leigh-mariehamilton3361 they are brainwashed and fearful of the consequences of criticising Islam.

[@user-hg1rx2xv4g]

So what? Britain was once ruled by the Romans.

[@davidzack8735]

@@user-hg1rx2xv4g The Romans were a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion, not a race. Have you understood a word of this talk? 😂

[@marilynmills2273]

This is outrageous! What has happened to our freedom of speech. Other cultures and religions feel they have a right to criticise our way of life, culture, religion and ideology but we are expected to bow to theirs and this is now to be upheld by law ! What the hell is happening to our country!

[@annemarieforprimeminister8020]

Islamification.

[@JR-iw8du]

@@annemarieforprimeminister8020 you are dead right... not on my watch.

[@mobsurfnut2616]

What's happening is a lack of support for people like Tom Dieppe, and indeed Hardeep Singh who has written this Revisited report on this supposed Phobia of phobia. Litmus test: Did the London Assembly adopt the definition of the earlier report that wants to use their definition of Islamophobia? YES. To hell with this ghastly thing. We cannot let it stand in the UK.

[@carolineoates5964]

End of days that's what is happening for the world.

[@iancarnell5020]

By practising the Islamic faith in Britain which is a Christian country one could argue that this is disrespectful to those who are devout Christians. Do you think that we could build Christian Churches in devout Muslim countries. It would be considered blasphemy and wouldn't be allowed. Yet we tolearate Muslim places of worship in this country. When you go to an Islamic countries you must obey their religious laws. A woman must cover themselves etc. Double standards.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Immigration is colonis@tion

[@kernowforester811]

Western tolerance is now a pathological weakness, that is being deliberately exploited for nefarious reasons. Tolerance has to have bounds and limits. Trouble is those with woke ideology tendencies consider tolerance to be boundless and dissenters become heretics to this woke World view.

[@robaudi20v]

Welcome to the dribble and propaganda that is "religion"

[@skadiwarrior2053]

If Britain was still a Christian country this debate would not even be a thing.

[@kernowforester811]

@@mohamedali2858 Depends on how one looks at it. Christians will view this as deliberate and provocative, by placing an ownership over former Christian property. This happened in Byzantium and the near East when muslims invaded Christian lands. Also, former churches built in the 19th C (not middle age or ancient ones which are protected from development), are often turned into residential property or cafes, pubs and restaurants, which serve the wider community. We have a former19th C Methodist church, deconsecrated, called in our indigenous language 'Chapel an Gansdblydhen', or 'Centenary Chapel' in English, now a Wetherspoon pub. Methodists not happy at that. So depends on whom you ask for an opinion, no right or wrong answer.

[@Marktb363]

I applaud Tim Dieppe. We all need to stand up against this nonsense! All religions should be open to criticism.

[@Chrisdavies33]

Islam has played an absolute blinder …… offer absolutely nothing and wants everything in return…….Genius 👏👏👏👏

[@annemarieforprimeminister8020]

When dealing with an antiwhite political and media Establishment, it is pushing at an open door.

[@blondebrandy]

Been going on for years in the UK and will not stop...

[@angelmessenger8240]

It really angers me when people use the word phobia for anything that isn't an actual fear. The misinterpretation is infuriating.

[@jakoflynn2560]

It is designed to infuriate you can then be labelled a Nazi

[@golfbulldog]

Use islamo-scepticism instead

[@trevorhoward2254]

A phobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational in fearing islam.

[@jakoflynn2560]

@@trevorhoward2254 we should be aware of its potential for societal discord

[@jakoflynn2560]

@@golfbulldog islamorejectionist

[@vonryansexpress]

So the fear of flying, or the fear of spiders or of heights . . . Are they to be criminalised too ? . . . When a "phobia" becomes criminalised you know your country is in deep trouble . . Deep, deep trouble . . .

[@trevorhoward2254]

Phobia = Irrational fear. It is not irrational to fear Islam,

[@vonryansexpress]

@@trevorhoward2254 Indeed . . . I fear the public stoning of adulterous women, is that irrational ? - does that make me a "Phobic" and therefore a criminal ?

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

@@trevorhoward2254 A phobia does not have to be irrational.

[@trevorhoward2254]

@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 phobia /ˈfəʊbɪə/ noun noun: phobia; plural noun: phobias an irrational fear of or aversion to something. "she suffered from a phobia about birds"

[@davidnightingale8390]

So much for freedom of speech if something is wrong it deserves criticism Islam or otherwise.

[@toucan221]

People who allow Islam to be above the law are allowing a very bad Genie out of its bottle

[@1aberbeeg]

Labour party ? Who are they trying to kid ? Labour party it certainly isn't, for us who remember the one of years ago.

[@trevorhoward2254]

@14 minutes. The Police became involved in the damaged book in Wakefield as a sop to muslims. They feared if they didn't Muslims would go bonkers, as they are prone to do when non-muslims don't cow to them. Seperating 'Islam' from 'muslim' is pointless. Muslims do Islam. Those bad ideas contained in the ideology are adhered to, put into practice and enforced by muslims. The Batley School teacher isn't in hiding from Islam. He is in hiding from muslims.

[@dainagrn7030]

First never go to buy anything from their business. I never step inside a minimarket where they are.

[@trevorhoward2254]

@@dainagrn7030 I am fortunate enough to have been able to move to a home 25 miles from the nearest of their businesses. I have lived in a 'diverse' town. Now I don't. I know which one I prefer.

[@PAUL25926]

The police should have been prosecuted for wasting police time going into a school over a book ?And what made it worse the mother had to Sit there with her head covered to show respect .WHY do we have to show respect to people that we DON’T respect?

[@ericdelf]

And who don't respect us.

[@dainagrn7030]

If I were her I would never go to apologize and I would defend my child. I'm sad she didn't defend him! Especially when he didn't do anything bad!

[@briananderson2675]

​@@ericdelfwho is us?

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

This should be enough not to vote for a Labour government

[@gillps5130]

But which among the other parties will point this out and oppose it? David Kurten's 'Heritage' would without batting an eyelid.

[@Truthtalker365]

Never vote labour again.

[@philipryan25]

This is why Freespeach is so important.

[@tradingmachine4832]

tell that to ursala haverbeck

[@prboddington]

At universities, religions such as Christianity and Judaism and studied critically, but Islam tends just to be taught uncritically. When in fact, it's incredibly easy to find flaws in so many aspects of the Quran, the alleged history of Mohammed, etc, the many appalling episodes of his life and Islamic conquests etc. The situation is really worrying

[@tburton2877]

We dare not say the prophet borrowed from many religions and nitpicked things to suit himself

[@ludaMerlin69]

judiasm is studied critically is it? Do you not know of all the unique protections given to them, well before the proposed protections for muslims?

[@daveraeburn5517]

Kind of obvious why, if you want to keep your head.

[@gillps5130]

​@@ludaMerlin69We are certainly setting ourselves up for destruction.

[@HarrySmith-hr2iv]

At universities in the UK you will be thrown out if you criticise Judaism.

[@987azza]

They got their work cut out then as lgbtq offend them indefinitely.

[@AhmedMehmed-is7jj]

Bible is against lgbtq if you let them if you don't keep your bible you will see rainbow flag in your church and maybe gay pastor will do the Sunday preaching you can change your religion as much as you want but we will not allow it

[@leonardgibney2997]

Lefties say we should be kind to and tolerate homosexuals and love migrants. Wonder what they say about Muslims saying homos should be killed. It's in their Holy Book.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Islam is correct on Usury and the JQ to.

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

Most gay persons have violent problems whit Islamics. But it seems the left do not care for that.

[@andrewcole7895]

@@evolassunglasses4673what is JQ?

[@RussellTurner]

What happens if I draw a picture of Mohammed?….. …Not a phobia then is it?!

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

A picture of him,on most wanted peadophiles

[@Cdarlosfletch58]

Insanity of politics/politicians spineless jellyfish !

[@victoriajepson4483]

100% , there isn't a strong enough word to describe how much I loathe the individuals who facilitate this nonsense.

[@robaudi20v]

​@@victoriajepson4483100%

[@tavuzzipust7887]

The mad mullhas have taken over.

[@saltburner2]

Evil is parasitic, it always succeeds through stealth.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

All our problems are just symptoms of Liberalism.

[@joefoley1480]

. Perfectly logical to fear invaders and extremists

[@billyedwards6941]

God help us if Labour get voted in, they’ll invite the Taliban to a garden party in Westminster

[@saxonstacker1078]

Enough. No blasphemy laws in England.

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

A short step to Morality Police as in Iran.

[@stuarttanner9953]

How about reinstating the real ɓlasphemy law against Christianity. How is Jesus still allowed to be used as a swear word? What is done if a Bible is dropped. How can comedy still mock Christianity and not Islam etc.

[@carolroy52]

Thank God for Tim and Peter and their attempts to truly define these frightening concepts 🙏🙏💜💜

[@Toracube]

As the demographic grows watch the right to debate the difference between criticism of Islam and hate speech disappear…

[@teknical100]

In theory the female population should abhor it. The right should abhor it and anyone who retains any sanity on the left should abhor it. Sticking phobia on the end of it is stupid but currently effective. Labour have made themselves unelectable several times over for the general populace. However, there will be huge areas of certain cities which will push forward because it is their religious duty to do so.

[@patnor7354]

Women always submit to get along, it is their nature.

[@kathleenswift7979]

​@@patnor7354don't be ridiculous 😂

[@daisuke6072]

it will pile up votes in areas that are already socialist strongholds. They will lose the marginal ones.

[@trevorhoward2254]

A phobia is an irrational fear. It is not irrational to fear islam.

[@teknical100]

@@trevorhoward2254 I agree in this case. However, they will tell you it's irrational because most of them don't hurt anyone. My son in law owns a vicious looking dog and it is soft as muck and hasn't bitten anyone, yet. I know . . . .

[@iainrae6159]

Claiming a book is the actual word of the creator of the Universe, with demands and instructions which must never be challenged or questioned, may lead to a few differences of opinion in the 21st century.

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

That so-called prophet of Islam, galloped to the Moon on a Donkey. But when he returned, he couldn't even tell us that our earth is a planet. ​

[@annemarieforprimeminister8020]

That very challenge or questioning is a criminal act in Islam. It is called blasphemy, and it applies to everyone who live under Islamic control.

[@Thirdfish]

His relationship with a child is highly questionable, lots of muslims follow that, specially in Rochdale. @@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv

[@101ventus]

I like to be able to be critical of several myths and fantasies be it climate change, multiple genders, all religions including Islam. None of them have anything to do with racism.

[@ericdelf]

I'm critical of "race theory."

[@tenniskinsella7768]

No y are not

[@mloclam6917]

Some fears are warranted

[@brianjbarfield]

It seems quite strange that our country has encouraged immigration of hundreds of thousands of people who we are actually scared of. I doubt if any other country has done that

[@coastliner5848]

France, Sweden, Belgium, Ireland, Netherlands..........

[@2008giles]

Thank you to Tim, Andrea and all at Christian Concern for your hard work for our nation.

[@fabiosplendido9536]

It is about the people and we should be able to clear about that. You can't fight Nazism without fighting Nazis. You can't be against murder without being against murderers. Islam is practiced by Muslims..........you can't separate the two.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Just saying. It because we declared war on Germany as it was heading East completely in the opposite direction to us, we are in this mess. Germany v ruthless Stalin and Communism was always going to kick off, we didn't need to get involved. We lost the Empire, lots of the greatest generation and bankrupted ourselves to International finance, the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project. All our problems today flow from that war.

[@trevorhoward2254]

This is exactly the point being avoided. Islam does not make the Batley Grammar School teacher and his family live in hiding. Muslims did, Islam did not make the Wakefield police cringe and cow because of a book. Muslims did.

[@ericdelf]

We will inevitably have to fight them.@@trevorhoward2254

[@Slumbert]

Immunisation for muslim labour voters.

[@euanhaig4422]

Islam preaches against many human values, some enshrined in ours laws. These failings MUST be criticised and offenders prosecuted. If it offends Muslims, so be it.

[@blandingscastle3729]

Secularism when in minority Shariat when in majority.

[@robynmarler1951]

The way of taqquia. Meaning "subtlety" , but you could also call it dishonesty. Related to darwa, meaning "softness", it means don't show any aggression until you have established Islamic power.

[@sarahl9209]

Tell your kids to aim for a career in thought policing. Should be a thriving business soon - almost is already! Why is this? If it's because they're letting in so many people from other countries that we all need to have our manners literally policed to avoid total chaos, I wish they'd just say so.

[@bloodmoney88]

jobs? AI will do all the thought policing, people... LOL

[@leonardgibney2997]

Or invest in people trafficking. Big profits there.

[@sarahl9209]

@@leonardgibney2997 Good suggestion, and my four year old loves people!

[@thehound9638]

Isn't it obvious? We must control our speech because we've imported people who can't control their emotions! Discriminating against us is the easiest way to keep the Kings peace. It will work until it doesn't.

[@garetjax19]

There has just opened the 'Make Cornwall Islamic centre and mosque' (see their website). It has been build in an old village school, right in the heart of that beautiful County. They are promising to be very active and vocal 'community leaders'. That they say, they are there simple to 'educate and infirm, local Cornish, about the wonderful peace loving Islamic faith. Why it's there is up for debate. What isn't disputed, is the fact that this Country, is not and should never be, tolerant of this, or any other medieval death cult. Pity the vulnerable teens. A new Bradford/Rochdale? Peace All

[@magdadagmara5401]

Phobias should be diagnosed by the doctors You can’t just randomly put nouns together for your political purpose

[@tradingmachine4832]

nice antisemitic dog whisle bro

[@dickdastardly5534]

What if you have an Islamic GP ?

[@WildBill-py6vn]

They will claim more benefits and say its a disability

[@kirpalani-griffin3706]

Criticising bad ideas IS my religion. This would be a catastrophe.

[@maryrose4712]

Sounds like our new hate law in Ireland.

[@HarrySmith-hr2iv]

But law thru out North America, UK and Europe makes it illegal to criticise Due-daism. So surely it must be against the law to criticise Islam?

[@jeremyboughtono2]

​​@@HarrySmith-hr2iv It isnt illegal to criticise only a form of denial is illegal (wrongly imo) in some states.

[@HarrySmith-hr2iv]

@@jeremyboughtono2 It sounds like lawyers playing word games and making up word-salads.

[@Sidistic_Atheist]

4:28 Offence is taken. Not given. What may offend you, may not offend me or somebody else. How can one make a law against that???🤯

[@tradingmachine4832]

you making a case for holocaust revisionism bro?

[@rogeralsop3479]

Excellent New Culture Forum.

[@rodneycooperLMSCoach]

Labour will say and do anything to us to get voted into power.

[@darrenbradbury822]

Our councils love getting sued and going broke🤦

[@gunsharck]

Labour needs to understand this is Great Britain not Qatar

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

Thats why it wants open boarders.

[@grimnir8872]

I do wonder if Labour would like it if we English people started segregating ourselves, running our own shops not allowing Muslims and eventually running our own legal councils, Anglican Councils. I think we'd be told very quickly how racist and illegal it is.

[@blueeyes402]

might be better if you told your gov that they serve you not the other way around...what happened

[@fritolaid6805]

Now that you’re minorities in your own land no joke, you really do need to create your own councils and lobbyist groups.

[@giuliakhawaja7929]

I remember a few years ago some council members (I forget which council) objected to a few Christian prayers before the council meeting , so the prayers were stopped. How long before they start with Muslim prayers?

[@tradingmachine4832]

maybe you should investigate who has been relentlessly pushing to remove christianity from the schools and public life for decades. pro-tip it wasn't muslims

[@carolineoates5964]

I'd forgotten about that. Well remembered.

[@derekmills1080]

Absolutely everything connected with the so-called ‘labour party’ is too hideous to contemplate. Tim and Peter have, as is usual for this channel, contributed towards rational, intelligent conversation aimed at free speech. Thank you.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Well I wish people would wake up

[@derekmills1080]

@@tenniskinsella7768 👍

[@A2Z1Two3]

If there is an all powerful god ( of ANY religion) that is blasphemed , then THEY will punish the blasphemers . ( there is no need for Starmer to get involved - nor anyone else )

[@AhmedMehmed-is7jj]

Civilisation before us was destroyed before us by the same one true God who are you the secular and not thinking you can't be destroyed

[@bloodmoney88]

that's not the way the religious think though, their business is controlling everyone's business for profit. They are attacking the root of business; the thought.

[@AhmedMehmed-is7jj]

@@bloodmoney88 Christians must give the money to the church that is a control Muslims don't give to the mosque any money we do charity we give it personally to the needed to the poor people

[@manchegocheese997]

Anyone who claims to be acting on their god's will is admitting that their god is impotent.

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

@@bloodmoney88 Thats not how Cristianity works though.Any 'examples' of your claim?

[@martindenham2207]

Strip away the specifics of the conversation here, and what I'll say is this, spend some time in a political environment to study the psychology of those attracted to power & control, and then you'll understand how things like this happen. I did and I was horrified with what I discovered.

[@golfbulldog]

Use the term islamoscepticism...never use their words. Even anti-muslim probably shouldn't exist as a concept because if that person is displaying the bad features of islam then why shouldn't we criticise them for that.... Should islam even be given protection as a religion? It is not a religion if it makes demands and requirements of non-believers (eg. "Treat my, ok your, book nicely because i believe it is holy even if you don't"). That is what makes it a political ideology cloaked in a religion.

[@ericdelf]

Use the term Anti-evil cult.

[@flyagaric1607]

Absolutely spot on. It's always political until they need appeasement in order to gain more power, then they switch to it being religion to disarm people and further their cause. Its like a tug of war where they make sure you (or we allow) wear flat soles while they have spikes. Once that ground is given up, it is never to be relinquished. GIVING them ground and ultimately more power, considering their resentment of the west, can only end in regret and consequences down the line.

[@Englandweloveyou]

This is why there needs to be a real debate on this, on mass migration , demographics, Islamisation and much more, the vast have never voted nor wanted this. We need a new political system here and real representation for the masses, the main two party system is shocking, to much of the same, there has to be a real genuine change in Great Britain 🇬🇧, keep up the podcasts Peter, love this channel, love seeing it grow weekly. 👏🏻🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@tradingmachine4832]

it isn't muslim billionaires that are pushing for hate speech laws and anti-white discrimination in the west

[@annemarieforprimeminister8020]

Get Anne Marie into parliament and the walls will come tumbling down.

[@user-tq1qd3iu2t]

Representation for the masses would be called "populism" presumably because it is popular but they can never have that. They denigrate the term populism. The current system is vile but has been set up to converge at this destination much like the banking system has.

[@TheOldTeddy]

Some muslim countries do not allow non-muslims to hold positions of importance in government. Britain has what, maybe, 10 years.......maybe

[@marilynmills2273]

Truly frightening

[@Egalitarianism]

It is not just about the demise of free speech but much more darkly "what constitutes moral action" or as regards Islam, the teaching of immoral action. This is about the entire negation of Enlightenment thinking as regards the need for the separation of Church and State, the rights of individuals vis a vis collective authority.

[@chrisbamborough222]

Thanks you put that well. I have a feeling perhaps someone wants Religion to be the State and as you say we moved away from that some time ago.

[@MissOrchid12]

Very true.

[@lindareidy2091]

Christianity can be openly mocked even on tv. Where is the protection for Christianity???

[@sakhter4044]

Who is mocking them

[@tradingmachine4832]

@@sakhter4044 exactly. are they blaming muslims for that aswell

[@missasinenomine]

​@@sakhter4044 ​Shabir Ally. Ahmed Deedat. Zakir Naik. & all their cronies.

[@Kaye254]

@@tradingmachine4832 the fact that Christians are persecuted across the Islamic world and Muslims will never condemn it unless put the on the spot for their crimes show a lot about how their minds are conditioned. It’s not a religion of peace when their burning down churches Christian homes.

[@martinwilliams9866]

That it can be mocked, I think is an advantage for it, rather than not!

[@cammino1984]

Criticizing Netanyahu or Zionism is not Antisemitism... Either ban all criticism or allow all criticism of whatever ideology

[@ericdelf]

Free criticism is ESSENTIAL.

[@cammino1984]

Exactly!

[@davidaustin5622]

There is no such thing as hate speech. Free speech is tolerating speech that is offensive.

[@tradingmachine4832]

yes it is

[@themsmloveswar3985]

The film about one of the cult founder's wives was produced by members of one sect of the cult. Members of another sect of the cult went into outrage, because they objected to the expression of a different sect of their cult. It ended up silenced, a successful outcome for the bullies.

[@nonoyorbusness]

Funny how an omnipotent God has to use a horde of hydrophobic followers to enforce 'his' will!

[@trevorhoward2254]

One could almost believe his followers enjoy getting all rapey and head choppy.

[@kay2kin92]

Surely Islam is "Britaphobic" .... FREE Speech is the foundation of a Democracy .

[@tuveuxlademocratieoutuveux4692]

*And anyway that's not the point : for we don't HAVE TO LIKE Islam ! This is NOT an obligation in a western democracy to submit to Islam is it ??! As we may dislike Scientology or Christianity, why would it be illegal to dislike Islam ??*

[@Ste2023]

Labour want it ..... To get VOTES VOTES VOTES simples

[@slingertennischronicles]

Labour wants to court Muslim voters before the emergence of a credible Islamic Party, which sooner or later is certain to happen. Political Islam relies on numbers, and the demographics suggest that the inception of such a party will put Labour out of business in a heartbeat.

[@slingertennischronicles]

Political Islam is also patient. The faith must be at odds with the prominent role of 'gender issues' in today's politics. In this particular context, all things will come to those who wait patiently...

[@tenniskinsella7768]

For gods sake people of this country take your blinkers off about labour they will be very radical

[@slingertennischronicles]

@@tenniskinsella7768 In effect Labour wants to bribe the Muslim population of the UK with an Islamic blasphemy law.

[@flameguy3416]

We have a Conservative government, and there's already blasphemy laws. There is simply no difference between Red and Blue.

[@markhenry192]

We are in deep trouble. Cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel on a whole range of issues. With Labour likely to be in control next year it will just get a lot worse.

[@lorenzbroll0101]

Public sector strikes will be for starters.

[@susanwhitley812]

If we 'bend' just the once, we will have to 'bend' for an Eternity, because including this in law will be the start of having to change every law to suit Muslims, and our culture, religion, and values will totally dissapear altogether. It really all comes down to what we are prepared to lose if we continue down the path of appeasment.

[@Simon-390]

GB is a Christian country , are labour trying to say that we are outnumbered?

[@Frank_inSA]

All the fuss about Islam. Afaik Christians are the most persecuted people of all religions.

[@engl4nd3r24]

"If the British soldiers in Nornandy who went to the beaches in 1944 could see what happened to England today, they would not have gone 40 yards up the beach." David Irving.

[@keithscott1957]

Is it Islamophobic to not be homophobic?

[@Thirdfish]

The LBTQ lot think they are supporting Palestine by protesting yet we all know what they do to LBTQ lot over there, they get murdered. That's the loony left for you.

[@GarryAndrews_]

Do it for none, but if you do it for one then do it for all. Watch Scientology weaponise it.

[@jakoflynn2560]

If it applies to Izloom it will apply to Scientology and Druidism as a race too

[@frankszanto]

It is very hard for someone with only a superficial knowledge of Islam to believe that Islam is not just another religion like Christianity. There is a belief that somehow the Quran is much the same as the Bible. However, the Quran nowhere teaches that we should love our neighbour, or even less our enemies. Instead it clearly teaches that it is right to fight against the unbelievers. The whole of Surah 9 is an encouragement to go to war. Some key verses: 9:5 “When the forbidden months are passed, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them with every stratagem of war.” 9: 29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden what has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of the truth…” Surah 47:4 says, “So when you meet the disbelievers, strike their necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. 5:33. “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief throughout the land is crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land; that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter.” ISIS is not a fringe group. They just follow the Quran.

[@sakhter4044]

Verse taken out of context look at the whole issue please islam promotes good relation and forgiveness please read the whole quran first

[@tradingmachine4832]

i could quote the talmud like this bro. The bible is full of death and destruction

[@frankszanto]

@@sakhter4044 Which verse was taken out of context? As I said, the whole of Surah 9 is an encouragement to go to war against the unbelievers. Look at 9:38 O believers! What is the matter with you that when you are asked to march forth in the cause of Allah, you cling firmly to ˹your˺ land? Do you prefer the life of this world over the Hereafter? The enjoyment of this worldly life is insignificant compared to that of the Hereafter. Surah 9 tells Muslims that it is not enough to just believe, but that it is better to die fighting for Islam. Islam promotes violence. It never promotes love. And I have not even mentioned what it says about women - how it is OK to have sex with captured slaves in addition to your wives. (Surah 4:24, 23:6, 7-:30). The world will be a better place without Islam.

[@carolineoates5964]

​@@tradingmachine4832the Holy Bible is not the Talmud.

[@tradingmachine4832]

@@carolineoates5964 lol olt testament is a study in genocide

[@asongforsimeon4310]

The root of the problem is people living in the Middle East and/or who have fellow ethnics there, but they aren't Muslims. Quite the opposite.

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

I know what you mean.

[@mobsurfnut2616]

Well done Tim Dieppe and The New Culture Forum. Excellent interview.

[@DavidJohnson-yg8qm]

It is my opinion that any religious group or political organisation which subjegates an individuals freedoms is wrong to a point. However we have created a custom in the UK whereby we can legally only have 1 parter, and have limitations set on the age of consent and working regulations. These limitations have been set after careful consideration as to how far an individual afreedoms can be allowed. Our culture has been set based on these considerations. I think that anyone now coming to the UK should accept our culture. It is that culture which has created our wealth. If you don't like it don't come here. Islam, Christianity, Buddism, etc. have their own beliefs but in the UK the extreme views of these religions must be constrained. For example, an eye for an eye, or chopping off thieves hands. There are far more examples.

[@francescahamilton6856]

Excellent. A much needed conversation. Thanku.

[@user-ot7fc8jo8x]

Well done Mr. Whittle for an awesome interview with an awesome guest 👍👏👌

[@e.w.1179]

Thank you Tim and Peter for informing us of this, and thank for all the work you do to fight against injustice towards Christians. The World needs more people like you.

[@alexmac337]

Thank you Peter for raising this issue with yet another insight, interesting and intelligent video.

[@gillps5130]

The rest must find their voices while they still have them, and shout, 'No'.

[@desdicadoric]

We pretty much have that already. Try it and the cops will show up, look at the poor kid who scuffed a copy of their book

[@johnmoncrieff3034]

You hit the nail on the head when you said it was irrational this phobia of Islam! We have the right under our constitution for free speech, which includes critisising all religions & certain traits within them!

[@belltopcone]

The Cancer is spreading.

[@AhmedMehmed-is7jj]

France is secular for now but time wiĺ bring change

[@LeeGee]

More likely to bring a sixth revolution.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

France will go through bulkanization. Read some Guillaume Faye

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

The great lie call islam has been thoroughly exposed by the internet and powerful search engines. Read Syed Wasim Rizvi's recent book "Mohammed" replete with factual evidence.

[@PalXen]

Labour, either support LGB+ or Islam, you cant have it both ways

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

Starmers answer will depend on who is asking the question.

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

Well I guess they are reading the new majority opinion in the soon to be future of the UK?....