Croatian Origins | A Genetic and Cultural History

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It begins with a mystery.
Potočani is a small farming village in the Croatian interior, closer to the borders of Hungary and Bosnia-Herzegovina than to its own capital Zagreb. In 2007, a villager in the nearby hills began to dig a foundation for a garage. Heavy rains stopped his work and revealed a small pit. Bones protruded from the earth.
The villager knew he had found a mass grave. But to further identify the skeletons he called the University of Zagreb. By chance, an archaeological team was nearby working on a highway project. They were able to study the remains on the very same day.
Mass graves are an unfortunate part of the landscape in that region. 44 corpses were identified. At first, it was assumed that the bodies were from the recent Balkans conflict, or perhaps from World War II, but they found no modern objects in the pit. Upon inspecting the teeth of the dead, they found no fillings. These were not modern corpses. In fact, they were prehistoric. And they were men and women, old and young, close kin and stranger.
Potočani is the oldest indiscriminate massacre ever discovered.
Mario Novak, head of the Laboratory for Evolutionary Anthropology and Bioarchaeology at the Institute for Anthropological Research in Zagreb, Croatia, led a team who published a study in Plos One called Genome-wide analysis of nearly all the victims of a 6200 year old massacre. It details the genetic characteristics of 41 of the 44 bodies. The remaining three had insufficient material remaining for a genetic sample. What they learned opens a window into ancient Croatia.
The paper states: Direct radiocarbon dates (~4200 BCE) as well as several recovered pottery fragments, assign the massacred people to the Middle Eneolithic (Copper Age) Lasinja culture which was widespread in the region of continental Croatia, northern Bosnia, Slovenia, eastern Austria, and western Hungary.

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[@user-yr5nv2gv7m]

im sry but this is an extremly garbage readout of a typical academic selfabsorbed baroque blithering, ur randomly intonating we can hear every line break in your text u obviously have no idea of what ure saying and recorded at first go the first time u opened this text... could u pls at least put the link to the damn papers too?? then maybe more people would actually wanna send u money for this...

[@portastsic]

What castle is shown at 7:02?

[@portastsic]

@Rob Kholar so that’s a computer generated castle, or is it a real place?

[@tomislav_radic]

@@portastsic Real place called Klis Fortress

[@tomislav_radic]

@Rob Kholar I just love the certainty you write with about something so highly disputed

[@B.Mega.D]

Byli sobie bracia trzej ktorzy rozómieli się....greetings to my Croatian brothers from Poland.

[@milanradovanovic3693]

Tvoja braća su u Drugom svetskom ratu pobili 700 000 Srba u Jasenovcu. Jedini su imali logore za decu, čak su ih se i nacisti gadili... Pazi ko ti je brat da te ne obruka

[@marinmamic896]

greeting polski brate

[@statebriga9036]

@@milanradovanovic3693 to je laz, ali su srbi pobili milijun krscana (katolika i grcko-pravoslavaca) za vrijeme osmanskog carstva i mnogo milijun hrvata, muslimana i albanaca

[@milanradovanovic3693]

@@statebriga9036 Jako je tebi teško da svoj ustašluk prihvatiš onakvim kakav jeste izvorno nacistički. Razumem te. Nije lako prihvatiti da je Hitler slika koju moraš prilepiti tvojim precima a i sebi. No to ste što ste. Ako ne veruješ meni imaš u Vašingtonu muzej holokausta koji apsolutno potvrđuje moje brojka. Bar su vam oni sad braća, ameri a ako vas ja lažem oni neće sigurno. A ova tvoja druga izjava je samo psihopatološka manifestacija, kako ličnost koja ne može da prilepi sebi i svojima Hitlerov portret jer ste isti bili, ulazi u fatamorgazmične laži kojima negira ono očigledno pokušavajući da potpuno izvrne priču. Tu ti ja pomoći ne mogu mali nacošu profesionalna pomoć ti je potrebna. Pored svega meni ipak drago da ti je maternji jezik kojim upravo komuniciramo srpski a ako budeš hteo zboriti rvatski moraćeš otići na te vaše otoke čakavicu naučiti. To je već deo šire kolektivne psihoze koju ste sami sebi nametnuli. Kakogod koljači i nesoj jeste

[@ginaibisi777]

​@@statebriga9036nisu Srbi to uradili nego 👹 unutra Srpsko telo😂😂😂❤

[@krunomrki]

I appreciate the effort you have invested in this video, but this was very long time ago before name of Croats/Hrvati (in Croatian)was introduced in area. Territory of modern Croatia was inhabited in the time of Roman conquest (2nd to 1st century BC) by various peoples: in northern Croatia (between Sava and Drava rivers) different nations known to the Romans as: Pannoni (Variciani, Iassae, Breuci, Amantini, Segestani, Colapiani, etc.). Also, in north-west was influence of Gallic (Celtic) tribes as Taurisci from modern Slovenia; in Istria were Histri, in Lika and Gorski kotar regions: Iapodes/Japodi; in Kvarner islands and in modern northern Dalmatia: Liburni; in central Dalmatia and in western Bosna-Hercegovina: Delmatae/Delmati, around Neretva Daorsi etc. And Illiri (in sensu stricto/propriae dicti) were to the south of Neretva river, with centers in Boka kotorska and at Skadar lake in modern Crna gora (Montenegro). The last great revolt/war of those peoples against Roman government was in year 6 to 9 AD, so called Great Dalmatian-Pannonian war (or rebellion of two Batons), in time of Augustus. The most important nations in this war against Rome were: Delmati, Desidiati (from central Bosna) and Breuci from modern eastern Slavonija region in Croatia, indicating that this rebellion's backbone stretched from Adriatic sea in central Dalmatia to the Danube and Drava river in the north. However, after this war more peaceful era began and in year 213 AD emperor Caracala gave Roman citizenship to all free inhabitants of Roman Empire. Roman provinces Pannonia and Dalmatia gave birth to the 3 emperors of the late Empire, among them the most known is emperor Diocletianus (Dioklecijan), who was important reformer of Roman army, economy, politics and administration at the end of 3rd century AD. He introduced the tetrarchy system of government (with two Caesars and two Augusts ruling in the same time as co-rulers). He was also the first Roman emperor that abdicated peacefully and he retired himself in great fortifyed palace. From this palace during the 7th century AD city Split developed and its name Split comes from Latin spalatum, spalato. Croats/Hrvati came to Dalmatia, according to emperor Porfirogennetos' work "De administrando imperio" (lived and wrote cca. year 950 AD) during the reign of emperor Heraklios (610-641) in Konstantinopolis (Carigrad/later Istanbul). So, there is no name of Croats/Hrvati in this area before this. Croats/Hrvati came according to Porfirogennetos from Bijela (Bela/Bila) Hrvatska/White Croatia which was situated in the north, between Moravians (eastern part of modern Czech) and Mazowians (modern eastern Poland) and beyond Bagibareia (most probably miss-spelling of name Babia Gora, the mountain near Tatra in southern Poland). According to the family telling by duke Mihailo of Zahumlie from the first half of 10th century (modern Hercegovina around Neretva river) his family came from area around river Visla (Vistula). Also, from other historical sources, as from "Poviest vremenih let" (History of far-gone years), in Croatian: "Povijest minulih ljeta", written in 11/12 century by a monk Nestor from Kiev (Kiiv), we can find out that Croats/Hrvati were during the 9th and 10th century one of important tribes in area of modern central-western Ukraina. Modern genetics also confirmed spreading of paternal I2a from Ukraina towards Adriatic-Dinaric region. Also, Ukrainians are in language ikavians as well as large part of modern Croats (when it goes about reflection of voice "iat"), examples: wind=vitar (in Dalmatia and in Ukraina); body= tilo; medical doctor, healer=likar; river= rika, and so on ... Conclusion is that Croats/Hrvati as a Slavic speaking people were developed in Ukraina. But their name Hrvati was part of their non-Slavic heritage. Namely, established linguists from Max Vasmer to the Ranko Matasović today, agree that the name Hrvati is ethimologicly derived from branch of Iranian languages, most likely from some Sarmatian language, as R. Matasović has proposed from Alanian Hurvatu (meaning: guard, keeper, watchman). And Matasović explained this through strict rules and methods of comparative linguistics. Also, in site of ancient city of Tanais, situated at the mouth of river Don to the sea of Azov (south Russia near Ukrainian Crimea) were found two stone tablets in classical Greek alphabet from cca. year 200 AD. On the tablets are listed names of citizens that held some office, as well the name of the king that called him self Sauromat. Among other names are persons : Horouathos, Horoathos, what is very similar to Croatian national name Hrvat/Horvat and to the name of Hrvati from Chronicle of Nestor as well to the Porfirogennetos Hrovatoi. So, it seems that some Sarmatian/Alanian group migrated to the west (name of Horiv, one of brothers that found Kiiv and also small river Horvatka in Kiiv region). According to the Nestor Hrvati in Ukraina were attacked by Volodimir of Kiiv in year 993. Also, some Croats are mentioned in documents from Prague (Czech), as the people living in that region near Bohemia during the 10th century. Geographical maps and documents dating from the 10th century on are giving the testimony of some group of Croats in south Austria's region Kärnten (Carantania, Carentana, Carinthia in middle ages) between rivers Drava and Mura (region named in maps as: Crowati around modern Klagenfurt. During the 19th century in Ukraina under Russian tsar's goverment , about 17 000 inhabitants declared themselves as Hrvati.

[@marijagrgurevic8044]

Kruno, fantastic summary, thank you. What I find confusing in this idea that Hrvati came here in the first millennium AD and that we are primarily their descendants, is that there is no particular evidence for any massive linguistic or genetic change at that time. No stories of their arrival among the folk tales, nothing to speak of that would indicate a significant population shift. Paternal haplogroup I2a has been here since the last Ice age and R1a since about 3000BC, as far as I understand. The language seems pretty autochthonous too... if you try to compare it with Albanian which is supposedly one of the oldest Indoeuropean languages and it stayed put in that area, there is very little overlap so it seems unlikely that there were some other people here who were more related to Albanians as 'Illyrians" and that the Slavs would have expelled and imposed their language on... If we spoke an "Illyrian" language, we would still have evidence of it in the language, no? Just like we still recognize Latin roots in our dalmatian dialects. Just thinking out loud... curious about your understanding of this.

[@krunomrki]

@@marijagrgurevic8044 Real, historic Illirians from contemporary Roman sources were those living in the area from river Neretva to the south, with centers in Boka kotorska and around the lake of Skadar (Scodra). Romans fought wars against Illirian kings from cca. 229 BC to cca. 160 BC. Islands Hvar, Brač were also under Illirian influence. however, area of Delmati (between Krka and Cetina rivers) wasn't part of Illirian state. Delmati were separate nation in political sens, but we acctually dont know how close or similar their language was to the language of real Illirians from Montenegro region. Also, people of Liburni which held area of what is today northern Dalmatia around city Zadar (Liburnija/Liburnijska rivijera and Ravni kotari ), it seems that their language was different from language of Delmati (it is known only the name of Liburnian Venus/Aphrodita what is: Anzotica in Liburnian). Iapodes or Japodi, stretching from maybe river Japra in western Bosna through Lika and Gorski kotar regions to the area of Postojna in sothwestern Slovenija were also separate culture and groups of people divided in many clans. Japodi were defeated in war in year 36/35 BC when Octavianus (future Augustus) has led the Roman army. Octavianus was injured in leg during the battle around some fort in modern Gorski kotar region. Around the river Kupa (ancient Colapis) lived Celts from 4th century BC. Sisak (Siscia) was important center and stronghold. Modern genetical research and especially recent (during last 10 years) are pointing more and more to the area of modern Ukraina for the origins of I2a haplogroup because the greatest diversity of subclades of this haplogroup is to be found in Ukraina, while in Adriatic-Dinaric region only some specific subclades are found what is probably due to the efect of founder. Even more, results of testings of ancient DNA remains from western Balkan from period of Roman Empire confirme the lack (absence) of I2a haplogroup. Also, it would be difficult to explain similarity of Slavic languages, for example in Ukraina and in Croatia/Dalmatia, in case if Slavic peoples split and separate from each others in more distant past, like maybe in 9th or 8th century BC or earlier. Group R1a doesn't belong only and exlusively to Slavic nations, but also to Ugro-Finnic speakers and to groups living in territory of modern western and northern Russia before Sloveni spread through. Many tombs of Hungarian warriors speaking Magyar language demonstrated in remains R1a haplogroup; also, R1a is presented in Germany in total cca. 20% percent, especially dense in eastern Germany. In Poland, which is considered as the most Slavic, R1a is at highest of 50% in total. What is about the rest of 50%? In Norway, R1a is at cca. 20%, what is in avarage similar to the Croatian cca. 25% . Also, specific subclades of R1a are presented in India among the cast of brahmans (the highest cast) at 70%. Also, in areas of todays Iran, Afganistan and around the Caspian sea, belonging to the modern Kazahstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. So, R1a is not specificly Slavic haplogroup in general, but some og clades and subclades (branches) are. Group I2a is in Ukraina at 25% with many, many variations of clades and subclades. also, it is strange that is found in island Sardinia specific clades of I2a. How to explain this? Historical sources discover that area of modern Balkan-named region, especially ancient Pannonia (between Drava and Sava) and Dalmatia in Roman borders were heavelly depopulated in period of 375 to cca. 650 A. D. Many invaders: Hunni, Gothi, Alani, Gepidi, Ostrogothi, Langobardi, Alemani, SaXonns, Sloveni, plundered, killing population for more than 250 years. Hrvati were only one of Slavic speaking groups. Frankish sources "annali Francorum" mentioned the rebelion of Lidevit duke of pannonia in 818 to 821, with his center in Sisak and the battles at river Kupa. Against Liudevit fought duke Borna, and he was designated in documents from year 817 as "dux Guduscanorum" (knez/vođa Guduščana), and later as "dux Dalmatiae atque Liburniae", but there is no mention of name Croat/Hrvat in this time in Frankish sources. And there is even today river Guduča in Ravni kotari, but also the hill of similar name near Gatska river in Lika region. There was many Slavic tribes and groups in this area, but with the time Croats/Hrvati established themselves as ruling clan/tribe/group over other Sloveni/Slovini and over Romanized natives (Vlahi/Vlasi).

[@marijagrgurevic8044]

@@krunomrki thank you for taking the time to answer in depth. i read through your answer a couple of times trying to gather a conclusion for myself. not sure what to think based on this, except that all of these labels are equally erroneous and bogus and they depend on who is labeling (such as hrvati, slaveni, iliri, etc.) the tribal reality of a the first millennia simply doesn't lend itself to what we tried to create in the last two centuries in terms of identity and interpretation of history. i find it interesting and amusing that our haplogroup percentages are very close to those of the norwegians I2a and R1a at least. so the ukraine-norway-sardinia relations. go figure that one out... LOL. thank you for playing, i love this topic and hearing different perspectives on it.

[@nvanguy6868]

Wow you have done your homework. Probably one of the best explanations ive read.Hvala

[@goranbozicevic7276]

dal nam mozes preporuciti neke knjige za citati? hvala

[@terryharris1291]

The land of my Grandfather,he came to New Zealand about 1911,Family name Brljevich from area of Grad Vrgorac.

[@terryharris1291]

@Jon Skywalker Thank you for the contact,I plan on visiting in 2024.Go well.

[@nikobellic3856]

Same here bro but in the 1930s Bartulovich from the island of Hvar

[@tonydevinci1031]

​@@terryharris1291Croatia is your Land .

[@naysayer8052]

why dont u all return back to your homeland... there is more croats outside of croatia than in croatia it self

[@PrviOPG-Catalhoyuka]

My grandma is Domanzić from area of Vrgorac and she always tell me that she have some family in New Zealand

[@annepoitrineau5650]

This is another really dense one which I will have to watch/listen to again. Thank you!

[@unwokeneuropean3590]

It's true, the northern croatia is full of untouched areas ready for "digging". Sometimes you walk in the forest and you can see unusual hilly area that are too specific and geometrical to be natural. They have already found bunch of roman age hotspots around my town.

[@aleksrako2302]

Durian the Time of Yugoslavia just like the in the Soviet Union Some of the Richest land when it comes to history like the Balkans, were prevented from performing Archeological Digs and studying material before the 5th century. This was done in all the communist's countries our real overloads did not want the Balkan people to come to a conclusion that they are all one, same goes for the soviets. What's interesting is in recent times you have people who are spending their own hard earned money to discover the blocked history of the Balkans the key of the world. Look in Bosnia the biggest and oldest pyramids have been discovered Dr Osmir I think that's how you spell his name has been investing his own money to excavate the Pyramids using sophisticated tech from the Chinese, Russians and Japanese and others to discover vast network of tunnels, figurines and even Live water ( long explanations but look up live water and see how crazy that is). The Balkan people history has been kept under the Vatican's manipulations for centuries and as God is real so does the truth always find a way to the surface. Whats interesting when English, American famous archeologist were invited to visit the Pyramids without even examining the tunnels and looking at the data they said its just a hill. Well my Good people the Empire of lies has continued to lie, divide and conquer your minds with falls history.

[@paul6925]

A beautiful looking and fascinating part of the world! I must visit some day

[@nekoime8872]

It is also a place of biggest genocide in entire history of Southeastern Europe (during ww2).

[@lordrichardson4447]

Indeed. And they have the best women in the world. By appearance, personality, culture, and beliefs.

[@MadMax-xv9xs]

@@nekoime8872 yes Serbs genocide against all neighbouring nations

[@ukumukudukudhu7225]

@@nekoime8872 you talk about republika srpska was created? (in the 90s) dont be jeleaous no one is interested in serbian not-existing history and culture

[@tolotamankula7718]

@@ukumukudukudhu7225 serbian history and culture = karadzic, mladic, seselj, arkan

[@riri-lm1fk]

wth?????? somebody noticed we exist???!?!??!?!?! awsome,ty so much for this :D

[@strangetimez]

😂 I know right??? Unless it's soccer we don't even get mentioned...

[@riri-lm1fk]

@@strangetimez u mean football :D

[@operamaniak81]

I love your accurate pronunciation of the Slavic names. Great presentation!

[@tazika2988]

Frankly, he missed all of it. But as a Croat I enjoyed his honest attempts. It would be fun if he would try to pronounce Hrvatska🙂

[@dorian4373]

Great video I love it show more

[@veronicalogotheti1162]

Slaves are new in the area

[@operamaniak81]

@tazika2988 I should've been more precise: to me, a Polish, it sounded way better than a typical non-slavic channel. No surprise you and I see it different: there's no one Slavic language today.

[@ToMbA_La_BoMbA]

​@@veronicalogotheti1162*Slavs*

[@BlueAlien1313]

This was sooo good and interesting. So we have evolved in some ways and yet stay the same in others. We are still wiping out generations of people today.

[@stockrex]

Cool Stuff, never knew about this discovery. Made me wonder if areas of the world that are considered "crossroads" of regions, in general, have a higher prospective for such events. Due to different people coming through. Egypt is one but Egypt had the ability to centralize better for protection. Croatia with mountains and harsh winters leaves settlers more exposed to either neighbors or potential criminal travel-thru.

[@saadabbas8976]

History of Iran Identity of Croatians in Ancient Iran To date, 120 Croat and non-Croat university professors and several academics have compiled 249 research works of which many have been printed in various publications and thereby have proven that Croats are of Iranian origin.

[@NormBoyle]

This was interesting since it was before the Iranian or steppe cultures arrived. Also different than typical replacements because the women were killed. Later arrivals tended to keep the women as slaves/wives.

[@neutralfellow9736]

@@saadabbas8976 the name might be, but the people themselves were Slavic even before they came to Croatia

[@hondacbrification]

@@saadabbas8976 Nice theory which is highly biased and driven with nationalist concept that ignores the facts.Iran as state is a recent creation that throughout the time was influenced by various groups and infused various groups and to say that simply there a similarities between Croatian and Iranians it has to be a result of Iranian is simply just as claim which has no basis. For example AchæMENid attacked Sian-Scythian tribal coalition which was GaL by default with a army of 1.000.000 through CaucaSIAN and even do claimed a victory they shortly retreated and the whole empire fall apart and all f sudden it became PerSian meaning Scythian-Sian. According to your concept Achaemenid where Sian while in reality they where conquered by Sian-Scythian who introduced they rule. If we look the so called Hyksos conquest of Middle East and Egypt it becomes quickly clear that they where refereed to as RULERS OF FOREIGN LAND and fundamentally Shepherds Kings always in plural since it was a Tribal coalition of a group of people that where a pastoral group something that again for AchæMENid simply was not true like many other Equatorial groups and when we look they Capital name in Egypt it is told to have been Avaris which strangely resembles the word we use A Város meaning The City from the word A Meaning The and Vár meaning Fortress from which the word city comes by adding Os to it and while there are claims that AVár are Turkic people the people who call themselves as such has no knowledge of being in Egypt or can explain the meaning of AVár or T Ur Kish or many other identities where it’s clearly known is called Avarska,UgarSka,MagYarska(MakARska)….and our language is central Sian meaning Scythian.

[@hondacbrification]

@@neutralfellow9736 The word SLav is a BUgar word meaning With Lion that in more Deutsch centric groups was S Löwen since they used the word Löwe instead of BUgar word Lav which only later has become S Loven. Which all of this has simply no meaning in your current culture that simply can’t explain even its own nation due to linguistic changes that came from South in the land of GaL which Tribal land actually spanned from PortuGaL all the way to BenGal and MonGolia. You can ask MuGhaL or even Iranian have they ever heard or known about group that called themselves and identified themselves as Lion after whom BUgar has called themselves SLav.

[@coranima5361]

Nick i am glad you came back

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Glad to be back! Thank you friend.

[@mr.roboxihuman4344]

Good video but still missing you Nick. Hope you get better soon brother. Much love

[@lordInquisitor]

Its always fascinating when the topic of obscure prehistoric cultures come up

[@unwokeneuropean3590]

Obscure only to the western historians who only care for UK, France, Italy and maybe Greece.

[@tomislav_radic]

Though I expected a focus on our medieval Slavic ancestors I'm still grateful for this. Nick, get well soon , this community misses you. Cheers from Croatia

[@Svarog187]

Croats were always in the Balkans wich the Genetics show. Herodotus mentions BC the Krobyzoi as a Thracian Tribe. Nestor the Kievan Rus historians mentins that old Balkan Slavs are White Croats, Serbians and Caranthanians, only Wolga Bulgars came later. Dalimil oldes Chzech History mentions that Chzechs come from Balkan and Croats lived there. Tabula Peutingeriana (Latin for "The Peutinger Map") This map shows first Slavs in the Balkans 2000 years ago. The Croatian immigration was only from Pannonia to the Coast.

[@tomislav_radic]

@@Svarog187 I disagree. We don't have any valid proof for that. Chronicle of Nestor does mention White Croats but they are among East Slavic tribes, not in Dalmatia or Pannonia. Sometimes they cooperate with the princes of the Rus, and sometimes they are at war with them. The Chronicle of Dalimil is, although interesting, mostly fictional and mythological and made in the 14th century, some 700 years after our arrival to the coast. The name similarity with the Thracian tribe is just a coincidence like many, many others. There are similar names to ours across the world but let's not use the methods of Jovan Deretić. No need for mythomania here. On the other side, we have a few better proofs of our arrival in the early 7th century. Obviously, 'De administrando imperio' mentions the legend of five brothers and two sisters separating from and leaving the White Croatia and settling Dalmatia/Pannonia. Of course, the Byzantine emperor who wrote it (Constantine VII) says they came upon the call of Heraclius, another Byzantine emperor (610-641), defeated the Avars and settled. The bishopric of Salona, one the biggest cities in the Roman Empire, was under constant threat of the Slavs who lived in the background, and they cried for help to the pope. The city was destroyed either 610 or 614 AD by the Slavs, and possibly the Avars. After that we have one papal note (dated 641) where the pope asks the Croats for safe escort of some abbot to Bulgaria. No archeological findings imply of Croats in Dalmatia/Pannonia before the VI/VII century, but they do afterwards. Also, there are some possible findings of White Croatia according to some Czech, Slovak, Polish, Serbian and Ukrainian historians. I am not familiar with the genetic survey you mentioned and I'd be grateful if you could cite it.

[@Svarog187]

@@tomislav_radic "Over a long period the Slavs settled beside the Danube, where the Hungarian and Bulgarian lands now lie. From among these Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known by appropriate names, according to the places where they settled. Among these same Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Carinthians." Nestor the Chronicler

[@tomislav_radic]

@@Svarog187 (1) "Thus the Polyanians, the Derevlians, the Severians, the Radimichians, and the Croats lived at peace." (2) "Leaving Igor in Kiev, Oleg attacked the Greeks. He took with him a multitude of Varangians, Slavs, Chuds, Krivichians, Merians, Polyanians, Severians, Derevlians, Radimichians, Croats, Dulebians, and Tivercians, who are pagans." (3) "Vladimir attacked the Croats. When he had returned from the Croatian War, the Pechenegs arrived on the opposite side of the Dnieper from the direction of the Sula. "

[@Svarog187]

@@tomislav_radic If you read closely the Byzantine Chronicles they talk about Revolt and not Invasion. And if you want i can show you for every Historian who mentions that slavs came here 2 that say that they were always here. Barely any historian from Dubrovnik says thas Slavs arrived from some myhthological place. All first SLvic dukes or princes are from the balkan area. This is the Dominant gene in most Croats, not just first in Balkan but Europe. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6G3hKSamdWZosU Deretic goes way too far, but some things he says are true, the problem is he makes everything Serbian instead of Proto-SLavic

[@Eljefe003]

Keep doing your work! Instrumental.

[@DenofLore]

As a Croat. You have my attention.

[@post.scriptum]

Stage I-B of the Sopot culture spans from 5480 to 5070 cal BC and precedes by about 160 yr the appearance of the Vinča culture in Serbia, as well as the appearance of the Lengyel culture by about 200 yr. Sopot phase I is earlier also than the Middle Neolithic cultures of the Great Hungarian Plain: Vinča-Tordoö and Alfold linear pottery. Stage I-B of Sopot appeared during the existence of the Starčevo culture. It means that both cultures coexisted for several hundred years in a relatively small area. Also, Sopot culture was succeeded by the Copper Lasinja culture, which in its essence represents still a proper offspring of the Late Neolithic, but not one copper object was found at the Lasinja sites in Croatia. The only graves of the Sopot culture in any of the investigated sites were found at Herrmann’s Vineyard in Osijek, and a partial burial was found at the site Ervenica, which provided minimal examples upon which to comment on the burial ritual and the spiritual life of Sopot inhabitants. It can be supposed that burial within the settlement was not usual. Possible revision of established archaeological assumptions for the region is foreseen in light of new dates and archaeological investigation of Sopot culture sites.

[@izzzy03]

interesting... regarding burials, do you know what was common and what difference between Sopot, Vinča and Vučedol culture?

[@post.scriptum]

@@izzzy03 This are the excerpts of research article published by the University of Arizona which I thought it would be useful posting here. You can find full article online by looking for: 'Radiocarbon dating of Sopot culture sites in Eastern Croatia'. Regarding burials, as far as I know, Vinča and Sopot culture have a really small number of burial locations found considering the size of the cultures themselves, so it is difficult to conclude much about burials. Unlike Vučedol culture, which is rich with such information and discoveries. Vučedolians practiced ritual burials and incinerations.

[@izzzy03]

@@post.scriptum thanks for info, im just a little bit interested in that area since my parents actually live in very interesting place where in 5km area there are several locations with findings of Lasinja, Vucedol even some Starcevo (Korenovo) culture plus some new findings still not dated that were discovered during road constructions

[@samomalo8041]

to su sigurno zaključili "znanstvenici" iz beograda....hahahaha....riknut ću od smijeha kako barbari oduvijek žele asimilirati tuđu kulturu kad svoje nemaju...hahaha...da...srbi....oh da...

[@thomasjaggers3576]

So is this the first pogrom? A good follow up read is Balkan Ghosts by Robert D. Kaplan.

[@petarn2204]

Yap, also see a bit about concentration camps and Balkan Auschwitz, held by Croats during ww2.

[@pingvin2915]

@@petarn2204 može li se netko pozabaviti i stručno obraditi manijakalnu potrebu Srba da preuzmu povijest Hrvata. Daj se odlučite više šta ste

[@Davlavi]

love the new oppenning

[@jopetrov]

Can you make video about ''TAJANSKE PLOĆE'' as well.

[@bow4454]

Thanks

[@BradYoga108]

Wow. Outstanding.

[@monakw]

Thank you and bless.

[@osusa]

fun fact: area of today croatia and BiH have the most unchanged genes across time in the whole world by far in spite of all the conquerors who plough through. genes dont lie. languages change, even die.

[@-yanni_4955]

But we are still slavs

[@zachvanwolf2123]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX-ZlaKMetdkjq8si=7fzKUfdbhw6TydBR

[@greendalf123]

What do you mean? Croats are pretty mixed between north-eastern European and Mediterranean admixtures.

[@PenDragonsPig]

New thought is that the Cornish, and Welsh came from the ‘Mediterranean. I am Cornish and within my DNA there is a mutation that encourages a person to be tall. Now tall nowadays, tall when I was born, and tall 500BCE are 3 vastly different measures, but for the time I was born, I was tall. - A side note- up to the 1930s, 1940s, the Cornish, and North or South Welsh were the tallest peoples in Europe- Anywholm, the ‘tall’ mutation has a hotspot in Cornwall, (maybe Eire & Welsh Wales. Haven’t checked yet) and….., Croatia/Balkans. So native Cornish, and Welsh are not, on the whole, physically, Celtic, but like the Northern Picts, Celtised. So are we Balkanese? Are we Hitites? Are we the Sea People? Are we Philistines?

[@jackieblue1267]

Cornish and Welsh are similar to other Isles populations. There is small differences like how much farmer vs steppe etc but they are all quite similar. There are some good dna studies now. There is really no "unique" populations in Britain and Ireland they all just form a continuum with each other. Orcadians and South Welsh are the most distinct but that is due to things like smaller population size and isolation. Most distinct in Ireland is Donegal for the same reason.

[@mr.dorianblackwell]

It's rather the other way round. Celtic tribes settled the Balkans before the Slavs and even the Romans came. Archaeological findings prove that Celts lived in that area around 400 BC.

[@marijagrgurevic8044]

what is your paternal haplogroup?

[@jolicante8748]

Janner jezzer it is well known that the celts lived in the panonia valley. There is an poem in Old Welsh language( it was at the time Welsh were conquered by the Anglo Saxons) as a Croatian, l could understant 80% of the words. Just shows you that the people

[@davidl2394]

Croatia is Mediterranean...''balkan'' and its influence comes from the east.

[@tolotamankula7718]

HAVE YOU HEARD OF JOJLENE? Almost 200 years ago, Serbia used the budget to pay young gay men to be TURKS' LOVERS In the Ottoman Empire, the existence of a male harem was completely legitimate, as was the keeping of a female harem, which was used to the full extent by sultans and other dignitaries. Thus, in Belgrade in the 19th century, there were men's harems where young men served for the money that was paid to them from the budget of Serbia at the time. In the spirit of that time, the Belgrade vizier also had a male harem, and the young men who served him and his company were called jojleni, which referred to younger gay people. The Đojleni were properly paid for their stay in the male harem, and the vizier received money for these expenses from the state, which at that time was allocated by the people with great difficulty. This interesting information is presented by Ivan Janković, lawyer and sociologist, one of the founders of the Fund for Humanitarian Law, in the book "Kata Nesiba i komentari" (Book Factory).

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

One of my best friends in high school was of Croatian origin!

[@poli6ady]

and?

[@ZT_Performance]

@@poli6ady probly just rare where he's from

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

@@poli6ady It made me want to learn more about Croatians.

[@poli6ady]

History and Headlines where are you from

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

@@poli6ady Born in Virginia, currently in Ohio.

[@coranima5361]

those are like Dacians the Romans would call them that some Emperors were from there actually they seem to be related to the Scythian or something like them

[@johnries5593]

The line between archeology and grave robbing appears to be a fine one.

[@963ag]

Despite my last name ( from marriage) both of my parents were Hungarian refugees. My father from Sopron, my mother, Budapest. My father alwalys suspected Croatian heritage. In Hungary, Croatians are called Horvath. What are some common surnames?

[@josiprakovac3284]

Annette Velásquez Second most common surname in Croatia is Horvat. 1 Knežević 8,819 1:479 2 Horvat 8,503 1:497 3 Kovačević 7,936 1:533 4 Pavlović 7,308 1:579 5 Blažević 7,217 1:586 6 Božić 6,867 1:616 7 Lovrić 6,711 1:630 8 Babić 5,454 1:775 9 Marković 5,370 1:787 10 Bošnjak 5,263 1:803 11 Grgić 5,234 1:808 12 Brkić 5,167 1:818 13 Filipović 5,048 1:838 14 Vidović 4,899 1:863 15 Kovačić 4,655 1:908 15 Tomić 4,655 1:908 17 Jukić 4,590 1:921 18 Novak 4,505 1:939 19 Martinović 4,497 1:940 20 Petrović 4,424 1:956 21 Mandić 4,341 1:974 22 Šimunović 4,314 1:980 23 Nikolić 4,207 1:1,005 24 Jurković 4,088 1:1,034 25 Lončar 4,072 1:1,038 26 Barišić 4,069 1:1,039 27 Živković 3,943 1:1,072 28 Šimić 3,902 1:1,084 29 Jurić 3,887 1:1,088 30 Rukavina 3,884 1:1,089 Pročitajte više na: www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/ovo-je-200-najcescih-prezimena-u-hrvatskoj-koje-je-vase-1278896 - www.vecernji.hr

[@RichardKalfic]

Croatian surnames usually end with -ić, -ović, -ak, -ac, -ar, -ina.

[@jonsmoljan8661]

@@RichardKalfic and (AN) ( Smoljan ) pronounced smolyan or smoyan

[@mkralj60]

Also a common surname is Kralj (King in engl), there are 2 lineages as far as I know, one from the south, connected to Dubrovnik and Montenegro, mine is the one from Hungary on my father's side (from the Hungarian Király) and my mother is also half hungarian (grandfather) and half german (grandmother came from the surrounding of the german town Ulm), as well as far as I know modern Croats are mostly a mixture of all the countries of ex Yugoslavia, Germany, Hungary, Italy in the coastal regions and Austria ofc as we were a part of the Austrian Hungarian empire... just giving my 2 cents worth, so don't judge me, I'm just curious about my lineage, not that I really have any knowledge about the topic 🤷🏼‍♀️😊

[@hajduk1919]

​@@josiprakovac3284 radić

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

They are Slavic people who mixed with Illyrian people that’s it :)

[@stockrex]

Germanic goths lived in the area in between Illyrians and Slavs also... but I never actually heard of them having any major influence. Probably wasn't for a long enough period. They move into Italy maybe a century later? Setting up the first non-classical age, Italian state. Where they would deal with Belisarius and etc, not 100% sure.

[@saadabbas8976]

Chapter 3 The Rulers of the Goths, and the Image of the Origins of the Kingdom of the Slavs In: The Kings of the Slavs Author: Wawrzyniec Kowalski

[@kategoried7501]

Illyrians are slavs

[@daeseongju8567]

What is Illyrian?

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@daeseongju8567 Extinct paleo balkanic ethnicity

[@gwynnsocolich7271]

My both of my husband's grandparents were from the Islands of Croatia with one being from coastal Croatia. His Grandparents on his father's side insisted their ancestors came over from the Carpathian mountains. Hubby's YDNA is of haplo J. There may be a 3 percent Jewish lineage mixed in.

[@marijagrgurevic8044]

As far as I understand, J is the Mediterranean connection to the Levant, makes total sense to find it in an island ancestry

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

Sokol is a common name amongst Albanians. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokol_(given_name)

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

Pope John Paul's mother never identified as Polish but rather as a white Croatian.

[@lad4415]

dont speak on this matter until you get a grasp for history and genetics. it is genetic drift founder effect. there is little to no jews in dalmatia ESPECIALLY on islands.

[@gwynnsocolich7271]

My husband's grandparents on both sides are from Croatia and his DNA result showed haplogroup J-M172 for FTDNA Y test. Ethnicity estimate which is just an ESTIMATE claimed 3 percent Jewish as does family tradition. I'm not making any claims just reporting DNA results for someone whose greatgrandparents are from Croatia. Any other J-M172 haplogroup members with Croatian ancestry out there? Anyone else with this lineage have 3 percent Jewish in an ethnicity estimate. The three percent Jewish ESTIMATE was not on Ancestry.

[@963ag]

Interesting - you mentioned the "Lengyel" culture. In Hungarian, "Lengyel" means Polish. I wonder if there is a connection, or just coincidence?

[@teovu5557]

....lol It is just a name they gave to the ancient culture based on where it was found or based on the person who discovered the site.....Example Gobeki Tepe is a Turkish word but it doesnt mean the ancient stone temple from 10,000 years ago were Turkic just that it was discovered by a Turkish reseacher. Or Neanderthal a German word for a region in Germany but doesnt mean the ancient human was a actual German. lol

[@peterszeug308]

@@teovu5557 he was a German! death to sapiens!

[@peterszeug308]

Of course there's a connection. Croats and Poles are both Slavic peoples. Or did you mean to imply Croats and Poles are somehow particularly closed related, in whatever regard?

[@teovu5557]

@@peterszeug308 Both slavic speaking but that doesnt mean they were always slavs....example Bulgarians are slavic speaking people today but medival and anciernt bulgars were Turkic...Other example is Scots in Scotland speak mostly "english" but that doesnt mean they are from England or that they are germanic people(English is a Germanic langauge and people). Also the name croat or rather Hrvat is not even a slavic name but a borrowing from a Eastern European iranic people(Sarmatians) from the sarmatian Haravat people so is the Serbian name from the non-slavic Iranic speaking Serboi and Sarban people of sarmatians.

[@theMAN3554]

@@teovu5557 there are also some tribes in tpdays Poland and Ukraine that are called the white Croats and Sorbs

[@irishadullah-al-akbaruthma8796]

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[@0leandr1]

The title is completely misleading. Origins of Croatia are rooted in V-VI century with Slavic migration into Illiryc region of former Roman Empire. Scientists try to find where Slavic migrants came from, why do Croatian language have lot of inclusions of Iranian and steppe origin and what was the impact of migration on Illiric communities. You can see in 2:50 diagram Potocani ancient genomes have not much in common with current ones.

[@damaslpressath]

not to forget the hunic/mongolian population survived in istrian region and islands...all slavic languages so have some indo-arian similarities....so they are believed to live many thousand years ago as northern neighbours to indo-arian (iranian) people....so it is a slightly closer than other so called indo-european languages like germanic, celtic or italic for example....finally also iliric and other ancient european settled in that region...but slavic colonization overweight and asimilated most of them...so the most romanic speaking people....just the istro-romanian language has survived i think

[@Svarog187]

The Slavic immigration theory ist completaly out of date, and was never a real theory among East and West Slavic historians. How can the South Slavs have the oldest Haplogroup in the the Balkans and Europe (Haplogroup I2a) but immigrated there? The I2a Haplogroup is present in the Balkans since EpiGravettian Culture, Lepinski Vir, Vucedol, Starcevo and is still the dominant Haplogroup in all South Slavs. There is no Record of any Slav who migrated there. We know the exact date and names of Avar and Hunnic Invasion, but somehow the Slav Immigration happended whitout any record but they conquered the Balkans easy within years with no Record of one war against the "old" Balkan people? The only sources show an attack against the city of Constantinople and an "uprising" of Slavs in Thessaloniki. All early Slavic historians say that Slavs came from Balkan. The Chronicle of Dalimil (Czech: Dalimilova kronika; Kronika tak řečeného Dalimila) Saint Nestor the Chronicler (Old East Slavic: Несторъ Лѣтописецъ; c. 1056 - c. 1114, in Principality of Kiev, Kievan Rus') Tabula Peutingeriana (Latin for "The Peutinger Map") This map shows first Slavs in the Balkans 2000 years ago. Herodotus the Greek Historian already mentions the Krobyzoi as a Thracien Tribe. South Slavs called Ilyrian language alsways their own and so did all others before some other people started claiming it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_movement The Slavic Immigration Theory was Invented by The Austro-Hungarian Empire while before that they even called the South Slavs Ilyrians. Today this theory is only upheld by Albanians, Greeks, Romanians and people who only use Google for research, even Viennea changend their Slavic Immigration theory. Please give me sources of of Slavic Immigration i wish to see them, because there are none. Only Attacks against what is modern day South Greek. What does 2:50 say?? Show me a nation who has more similarities.

[@0leandr1]

@@Svarog187 Archeology says quite different and this is scientific consent as today. There are many evidence of early Slavic settlements in the region, even as early as 6th century. Genetics of ancients haplogroups are just evidence for partial migration, no swap of communities. Early Slavic chronicles are just myths written down several hundreds years after the events. They may eventually reflect movement of Slavs from Panonia when it was conquered by Magyars. Sorry to say, but you are revealing complete BS.

[@Svarog187]

@@0leandr1 What you saying about Haplogroups makes no sense. If 8000 year old Haplogroups are found in Croatia wich are EXACTLY the Haplogroups wich are dominant ONLY in in today Croatians and South Slavs, that by logic means there must be a continuity. So ALL early Polish, Czech, SLovak, Kievan Rus, Russian Slav Historians dont know where they come from??? but Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus who lived 300-400 years after the immigration. Theophanes the Confessor who lived 200 years after the immigration know exactly whats going on? Only the Miracles of Saint Demetrius is left 150 years after the Immigration. He is full of hate against Slavs but even he doesnt talk about immigration but only about the war and attack of Thessalonici. Tabula Peutingeriana (Latin for "The Peutinger Map") This map shows first Slavs in the Balkans already 2000 years ago. Can you explain how is this possible???? What about Jordanes and Procopius who put the Slavs in the Balkan before immigration?? All fake news?? Why did the Celts call the Forrest of the Pannonian Basin Perkwunos (Forrest of Perun) 800 BC???en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercynian_Forest I can go on but im not sure about you.

[@0leandr1]

@@Svarog187 Just to let you know: all modern human communities have some haplogoups of Neanderthals. All with exception of sub-Saharian. And yes, ALL of early historians didn't know Slavs origins because they became literate 400-500 years after the events. 'De administrando imperio' by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus is treated as viable in regards of current situation for Constiantine and as mythical in parts of more historical parts. Although Constantine had probably access to some documents existing in his times but editorial questions are the matter of scientific discussion.

[@papak5592]

Serbs be like: "We have 0% turkish DNA" Also Serbs: 30% J (turkish DNA) enjoy!

[@tonkoprcic3428]

The Altaic-Anatolian HG-2 type is the highest in Europe among Serbs (49%) and Bulgarians (42%), and among Turks and Turkmens in East Asia (Serbs are actually more Turks than Turks). It is also not surprising that the Berber (Afro-Hamitic) type HG-21 is the most represented among the Portuguese in Europe, because the Berbers ruled there for centuries, but where did that (the Romans brought border guards from Africa) genotype from the Serbs come from (13%, ha, ha ha)

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Thank you

[@TravelonlineWalk]

Great video ,thank you ❤ New sub + Bell ❤❤❤

[@haroldjones9321]

Many ancient Israelites were taken captive by the Assyrians beginning in ~741 BCE. Eventually the Assyrian Empire weakened. So many thousands formerly captured Israelites eventually migrated into the Black Sea area. Subsequently they filtered out north and westward into what is today modern Europe.

[@NormBoyle]

This was 3000 years before the Israelites.

[@lukavidakovic2385]

Not everything is about the jews despite what they would like

[@tytusdezoo4722]

Yeah ... not every pit in the ground in Europe is full of Jews . Leave some room for other nations

[@veronicalogotheti1162]

Yes indoeuropeans Those are from israel

[@buxbear7009]

4200 BCE in that region you had Illyrians or their ancestors. Croats didn't arrive in the Balkans until after 600 AD with the Slavic and Avar invasions. Cool findings but label it correctly.

[@milfredcummings717]

Well, their genes are still present in today's population.

[@bosanskislavonac]

Higher percentage of Croatian genetics are older than 6th century Slavs newcomers . Antic genetic ancestry is strong especially in mountain regions.

[@zagrepcanin82]

Not true! Roman centurion wrote in 2nd century upon conquering Illyricum that hordes of croats are attacking roman legions in Bosnia

[@oxygen1359]

@@bosanskislavonac Croats are autosomally and by Y-DNA at least 65% of early medieval origin and main part of it is Slavic ancestry besides German.

[@milfredcummings717]

@@zagrepcanin82 In which episode of Asterix was it? : )

[@TheShamwari]

The talk needs more maps and illustrations of what is bening spoken,

[@NorthCharlton]

You might help viewers by stipulating when you are using stock or substitution footage for narrative purposes of instead of actual documentary images. Although I will attempt to watch this through to the end and the possible explanation, despite the horrible stilted and unnatural vocal delivery, I was brought up short by the view of the skulls at 4:42. No brow ridges. Low bridge nasal bones. Are these from the population in the pit? And then at 21:17 images of supposed Neanderthal types in a cave as you ramble on about consanguineous mating? Geez .....

[@andremedeiros2991]

Y DNA J2b L283 , the main Illyrian / proto Illyrian / indo european lineage in bronze age Croatia.

[@lekdukaxhini3392]

With R1b and Ev13

[@olowrohek9540]

Very interesting 👌 The language is very similar to Polish village dialects how is it possible?

[@ranojutro426]

Language is Serbian language but they call it Croatian. Croatian Ustase don't have their language

[@olowrohek9540]

@@ranojutro426 ok dzieki Wom I heard about Ustasze thanks

[@malimate2660]

Google...."Біла Хорватія",there are many books in Russian and Ukrainian. By the way, Serbs are descendants of Vlachs and a mixture of Bulgarians, Albanians, Croats, Turks and Gypsies, and they only got the dictionary in 1818.

[@ajmo-fi7mj]

​@@ranojutro426 serbs dont have language serbs are actually turks and gypsys nothing to do with slavic croats or poles...

[@NikolaT-em7dn]

@@olowrohek9540 White Croatians (bili khorvaty). A proto-Slavic tribe that was part of an alliance of tribes in Subcarpathia. They migrated westward and to the Balkan Peninsula in the 7th century. They are believed to be the ancestors of certain Ukrainians, specifically the Hutsuls. White Croats are a recognized minority group in today's Ukraine, white in this context means from north. Red Croats in this context means from the south, for example some in Montenegro assume they are Red Croats but what will be the conclusion in Montenegro in the end time will tell.

[@smartbox8945]

LMFAO, this is funnier than Monty Python

[@jonomobono3223]

Do you know that serbs are of gypsy and turkish origin while croats are clear slavic?

[@fraso7331]

Get well soon!

[@johndewey6358]

So, what is the Haplo group and genetic association of these populations with other older people in other areas of the planet? I patiently waited to hear about the genetic background, and all I heard was a circular review of the same population within itself which is not as interesting as knowing their genetic lineage. I think the study of genetic lineage is far more important than what we think may be their cultural and custom practices as those are only our assumptions where genetic studies are factual. Sorry, I am not going to give you a thumbs up. I tink you should present the factual genetic facts and only after those discussions present what we think MAY BE their cultural practices.

[@DinamoDeet101]

I read Croate tribes came to notrh of Today croatia in 7 ,8 century from south oh Poland.Some name of willagies are the same in Poland and Croatia...anf fisicaly Polish are the same like Northic Croatien..People on the douth look different ..Someone said 15 years ago all people of Balkan have mostly genetic as Albanian people...

[@dardan-decaini-dukagjini-d3573]

Respekt za tebe . Da ne zaboravim Jezik . ( Holger PEDERSEN :"" The Albanian lanGUAge is the only tool for enlightenment and moral progress).

[@coranima5361]

if you go to Croatia you can see the villa of diocletian he retired there he was from there and i think justinian came from Croatia or around there

[@sjoc6162]

justinian is born in village near Skopje modern day North Macedonia

[@mr.dorianblackwell]

Wherever Justinian was born, he certainly wasn't born in Croatia. He might have been born in a place that today is part of Croatia, because back then there was no Croatia. Same story with Constantine the Great, who was born in Naissus, today's Nis in Serbia. Being born there doesn't mean that he was from Serbia, because there was no Serbia there as well. All these people who became emperors, cesaers, high officials in the Western or Eastern Roman Empire are not Slavs, who settled the region much later. And they were not Albanian either, because there's also no evidence. I am just mentioning that, because I know how narrow-mindedly people try to convince others of their origins. The first wave of, let's call them non-Roman leaders, from the Balkans were either Greek or Illyrian. While Illyrian doesn't mean much as this is just a name for a gathering of different ethnical tribes about which we almost know nothing. Today we would say they're from the Balkans (which doesn't imply any ethnicity). So the term Illyrian is quite nondescript and ancient historians never mentioned a specific ethnicity. Modern historians (and I'm one of them) can only use verified evidence. As there is none, we're at a dead end (and I'm not going into that internet pseudo-scientific "flubdub"). So, the second wave might have consisted of Romans who were born in that region, as their ancestors settled there as a kind of reward or retirement initiated by their Roman employers or masters. Now, either way, these rulers have nothing to do with Croatia or Serbia or any of today's countries or nations who live in the Balkans.

[@sjoc6162]

@@mr.dorianblackwell i completely agree. Amin to this

[@mr.dorianblackwell]

@@sjoc6162 Thank you.

[@sjoc6162]

@@mr.dorianblackwell but also to say that Croat doesn't have slavic origin is literally joke. I mean is like modern day slavic people of North Macedonia trying to force some kind of Ancient Macedonia origin.

[@ukeveselaj1546]

The title does not match the subject!?

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

As a Croatian I clicked on this with excitement, but to hear that we have the dubious honour of possessing the oldest known massacre site, and some of the most recent… well I hope we don’t see any more

[@danI.1301]

😂😂😂

[@goranbras4767]

Imate vi i najnovije ,u 20.st.Jasenovac ,Jadovno ,Pribilovci ,20 000 dece koje je delom Budisavljevićka spasla !

[@zeta-wo7tn]

@@goranbras4767 najnovije je srebrenica, sarajevo, prijedor, vukovar, racak, dubrovnik, zvornik itd.

[@kim__jong__un]

​@@goranbras4767imate i vi u Srebrenici, Vukovaru, Kosovu... ne možete pobjeci od tog zla što ste napravili, zapisano je zauvijek.

[@goranbras4767]

Šta imamo , logor za decu, ubijenu decu kao vi ?ne bi rekao ,pitaj Dijanu Budisavljević !

[@northernstar4811]

Byzantine emperor Constantine VII “Porphyrogenitus” stated in his book "De Administrando Imperio " written circa 948 AD, that the Croats had previously settled in "Roman Dalmatia" & "Pannonia" ( have a look at an internal Roman Empire map to check out the locations) while the Serbs settled east of them in "Roman Moesia".

[@startrek4486]

Do know who gave the name Croatia ?

[@Svarog187]

@@startrek4486 "Over a long period the Slavs settled beside the Danube, where the Hungarian and Bulgarian lands now lie. From among these Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known by appropriate names, according to the places where they settled. Among these same Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Carinthians." Nestor the Chronicler, Kievan Rus Herodotus the Greek Historian already mentions the Krobyzoi as a Thracien Tribe 500BC.

[@daz7122]

@@startrek4486 To Croats it's known as Hrvatska though the Italians call it Croazia that's probably how it came about.

[@kim__jong__un]

​@@startrek4486Croats got their name from the necktie in the Croatian language "kravata" The necktie that spread from Europe traces back to Croatian mercenaries. Because of the difference between the Croatian word for Croats, Hrvati, and the French word, Croates, the garment gained the name cravat (cravate in French)

[@ivanpetkovic2130]

@@kim__jong__unno, the other way around. We were first reffered to in the 9th ceantury as Croats, latter during the thirty years war (or maybe even sooner, I can’t recall) out merceneries were hired by the French, our neckties impressed them and called them after us, the name we later adopted. So kravata, is a croatization of a frenchization of the world Croat

[@robertcrusader5019]

Good study and coherent presentation. Thank you.

[@daliborzovko4053]

Hor or Or is "Sun" Vač is "Land". The Latins and Greeks did not have letters for some sounds of the original Croatian language called "HaraVača". They replaced the sound "H" with "C" and the sound "Č" with "T". The Latins wrote the Croats with "Cerve", which was changed through Greek to Serve, i.e. Serbs (the Greeks changed the Latin "C" to "S" and "V" to the letter "B"). The most original name of Croat is "Horvač or "Haravač", which through Sanskrit became HorVat (In the Indian language, "Vat" is the space where the rays of light "travel" or the so-called "Ether", which was written about by Nikola Tesla, who was born in Croatia and according to his own recognition had Croatian roots).

[@visualcapture4649]

Fantastic video, thank you for looking into rich Balkan’s ancient history. There were already comment regarding stock images, there were Neanderthal cave people Was this mass murder part of ethnic cleansing performed by Stepe herders on admixture of ancient hunters and Anatolian farmers? I just don’t understand why are all those pre stepe-hearders cultures of Old Europe (a.k.a. from Balkans) still observed as different and distinct from each other. Pottery at Starcevo is very similar to Cucutani Tripoli all the way in Ukraine 3000 years later. Even in Middle Ages all the way to today Balkan pottery and folk costumes symbols and motifs are incredibly similar to those used in old Balkan cultures. Houses built in Vinca are identical to those build all the way to early 1900 in Danube villages of Serbia and Romania. I mean just look at Starcevo pottery and Moldova village art. Whole Balkan and surrounding areas have incredible 8000 year old continuity in culture, genetics and language. Croats, Serbs and Ukrainians still carry all that as well as Bulgarians, Rumanian and Hungarian with exception of language or more mix of genes. Old Balkan civilisation didn’t build pyramids but they maintained 3000 of prosperity without war, which is probably much harder.

[@damaslpressath]

no....step herders and anatolian farmers came around 7000 bC into europe.....Neandertals mostly where extinct 30 000 years before.....first modern people met Neandertaler wher so called Cromagnon people....when anatolians came they just met the modern hunter and gatherer....this was "just" 5 to 6000 years ago in central europe and almost 7000 years ago in south east europe and has nothing to do with first european modern population

[@damaslpressath]

so...everywhere we carry the genes of old europeans....you should not confuse that the stepherders who came and anatolians who came are from same indo-european culture, but stepherders dispersed first into north and find from there the way to europe...so now we have huntergatherer mixed with indo-europeans directly from near east and stepherders...(and some others like retians/etrusc for example)...and the restant indo-european people who came later from east like slavic tribes settled till south of denmark/Hamburg and eastern alps and adriatic sea in the west...so that pottery and style of making houses is also taken over by wandering tribes...and of course changes with the sources...more wood here and more stones there...finally the last great migrations from slavic people into west around 600 after Christus so also conect people between Ural and Central Germany and Baltic Sea to north of Greece which met habitants from earlier indo- european migrations which already mixed with hunter-gatherer....if you follow the history steps by steps you will see what i mean....the pottery from 8000 years ago was 1000 years before keltic, italic, germanic,iliric and other cultures arrived...and till than there was many mix and displacements...but yesssss, most europeans and even northafricans today got some genes from those ancient people....

[@illumencouk]

Many of you will have heard one story or another of some cult or religious group who for different reasons willingly choose to end their lives in a mass suicide ritual. Something tells me that if modern archeologists stumbled across such a scene they would automatically drawer the wrong conclusions and attribute the deaths as 'victims of violence' who've been murderd. We hear this same assumption whenever mass graves are unearthed and while I accept that on the face of it the theory often fits the evidence, that doesn't mean you need not consider any alternative explanations. For example mass euthanasia could be a real possibility for a civilisation who foresees an unavoidable global cataclysm upon their horizon.

[@sommmeguy]

Scientists always seem to lack imagination. Maybe it's for the better. Imagine a powerful and rich warlord who goes off to foreign lands to establish his own kingdom (had been know to happen). He goes to the foreign land and takes a foreign bride and gets inveigled into a local web of families and alliances. After a setback, he returns home with his extended family and servants/slaves with him. No longer able to care for them, he makes a brutal choice. Hence a mass grave of people who don't fit in. What would the archaeologists make of that?

[@illumencouk]

​@@sommmeguy 'A lord of war, tough, rich and powerful' and 'no-longer able to care for them' means someone's confused.

[@user-hw8fx2lr5v]

J A S E N I V A C

[@ajmo-fi7mj]

S R E B R E N I C A V U K O V A R

[@seanmccann1961]

Voice sounds like the voice from the Rakatan Computers in KOTOR.

[@akbalada-of7yp]

Croats exist since 7th cenutry in serbia... While modern serbian nation is created in 19. Cenutry by slavized and christianized, turks, arab, kurds, vlahs, chehens etc. There were no serbian people in 19. Cenutry before turks...just facts

[@tzvsrbisuhrvati5531]

Agree

[@fatmanyevo6235]

Some things never change...

[@dardan-decaini-dukagjini-d3573]

SOURCE:Greek Encyclopeadia Vol.19 p.873 :"" The grandfathers of today's Albanians therefore , that is, the Pelasgians, lived since prehistoric times in most parts of the world then known "". ILLYRIA - DELMAnium ( Tomislavgrad 😂) / DELMATia - DARDhANIA - EPER/ EPIRus = UPPER ( Joseph SCALIGER 1540 - 1609 :"" The epirotic lanGUAge of the past is the Albanian language of today "" ) - PLAKA ( OLD Athina ) - TROJE( Troy ) = LAND BANK -- MES APURia ( Messapien ) - E TRURIa ( Etrusca ). HOLGER PEDERSEN ;"" The Albanian lanGUAge is the only tool for enlightenment and moral progress "". GUA / GjUhA ( LinGUA- LanGUA- LanGUAge - Jezik 😝 Glóssa)

[@yodasmomisondrugs7959]

After I started a family of my own this massacre crap is really depressing to me.

[@not-much-but-enough]

Fact - mediaeval croats have nothing but the name in common with those croats of today.

[@Kutujutusutjutu-rd6md]

Of course they do.. they have I2 hablotype the Oldest in europe, while serbs habe mostly J (middle eastern) + E (North african)

[@not-much-but-enough]

​@@Kutujutusutjutu-rd6mdomg you proved my point that Croats are Catholic Serbs. The Croats have the EU7 haplotype DNA and the Serbs the EU13 haplotpye DNA. This was proven at the FA Institute in Zagreb based on a sample response of 7,320 Croatian citizens. This makes it the highest genetic correlation of the Y-chromosome that belongs to the Serbian people of the tenth century. This was done by accident by the Croatians lol Remember that before 1991 Croatia had nearly 1 million Serbs living in it and Bosnia had 1.5 million. By 1995 all the Serbs were gone and 150-200 thousand returned mainly to and around vukvovar. Bosnia lost more then half a million. Most went to Serbia. For Kosovo Serbs and Serbs from timok and around here there is some J and among the Serbian gypsy population there is a lot of J but there studies were done way after 2000 when all the wars were over. The mediaeval Croats had a genetic make up that close to the Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians (who re genetically "Slavic") I2 gene is from the Dinaric Alps and everyone knows that before August and September 1995 there was no Croats ever that lived on mount Dinara, Velebit, Ostrelj, Vijenac, Klekovaca, Manjaca, Kalin and all the other beautiful mountains of my youth. There was no Croats or Muslims. Only Serbs. The genetic marker you speak of is Serbian. You also like when you say that the Serbian majority is J when it's I and you know this. J is a minority marker because only a small portion of Serbs have it and they are southern Serbs or gypsy's. If we had J as a majority nothing is wrong with that we would be proud unlike Croats who are ashamed of their Serbian ancestry and will claim Persian, Germanic even some made up origins instead of embrace their Serbian heritage. Did you know that linguistically Croatian is Chakavski and Serbian is Shtokavski? How come all of today's Croats forgot Chakavski and speak exclusively Serbian ? Got a smart answer for that ? Of course not. Lol

[@nukana-wb9bm]

@@not-much-but-enough croats have I2 hablotyp and serbs have E1b1b hablotype...I2 hablotyp is clearly not-existing among serbs...Nor in croatia, in bosnia or serbia...the "serbs" who were settled by turks in croatia after they occupied this territory habe all E1b1b hablotype...what is actually albanian, north-african and somali...so how can croats be serbian when croats have totally different hablotype then serbs? And also croats look white while every serb look moroccan and arab (no wonder they have E1b1b)...and also there is much more J-hablotype among serbs then I2 what is mostly found in dalmatia, south and central bosnia...and only among croats and muslims We croats are proud of our slavo-balkanic ancestry...while serbs are ashamed and are of anger and huge complexes that they are one of the few non-white people in europe, with non-european culture, and there ancestors are turks, arabs, vlahs, gypsys, berbers, chechens etc....and thats why they need to lie about everyone and falsificate the history, but you cant run away from truth... Did you know that vuk karadzic (a turk by origin) wrote the first serbian dictionary from croatian dictionary...and today "serbian" stokavica as a slavic language of 50% of Words are from different languages (mostly turkish) and have a Kind of albanian and bulgarian dialects

[@alexbergmann2817]

Croatian migrated from north India as Arians tribe where they lived 12 000 years ago, to Iran where they stayed very long time. then they moved to Ukraine at cca 250. year and stayed at Ukraine till cca 650.year and then moved to Adriatic sea in 7.century

[@Trontotario]

Croatian are from iranic people not Slav people. They are 45% sarmatian 28% romanised Illyrian Dalmatian 14% Germanic and last of all 15% Slav the neme hrvat is usually considered not to be of Slavic but rather Iranian language origin. According to the most probable Iranian theory, the Proto-Slavic *Xъrvat- < *Xurwāt- derives from Proto-Ossetian / Alanian *xurvæt- or *xurvāt-, in the meaning of "one who guards" ("guardian, protector"), which was borrowed before the 7th century. The relation to the 3rd-century Scytho-Sarmatian form Khoroáthos (alternate forms comprise Khoróatos and Khoroúathos) attested in the Tanais Tablets, near the border of present day Ukraine and European Russia, although possible remains uncertain.

[@vukans595]

In the video above he talks about anything and everything except about Croatian Origins!

[@nemanjapetrovic4566]

It’s not like these people from thousands of years ago are the same people living there today. Many tribes have moved in and out and mixed and so on. The modern Croatia today is genetically mixed with others in balkans. I am Serbian and my genetics from my 23 & me says it is all from Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia and Bulgarian and Greece.

[@fredriks5090]

Due to local interbreeding, it is impossible to know your true geographical heritage other than x and y chromosomes for anything older than 60 generations. 100 generations back is pure guesswork based on archeological finds, - which might not even properly depict the demographic of people who lived there at the time.

[@oxygen1359]

Croats by atDNA and Y-DNA are 60-70% of early medieval origin and around 90% of it is Slavic ancestry.

[@lad4415]

its not. stop misinforming.

[@waitaminute2015]

​@@fredriks5090 the whole point of tribes is to prevent inbreeding. Non human primates also have tribes.

[@buzzerbeaterbuzzerbeater9001]

Do you know that this genetic searchings are used against us , like the Russians say since some years... It s like giving your Bio- Code (and others) the key from god, to people that have other interests... Your ancestors must be proud of you

[@Kutujutusutjutu-rd6md]

Actually serbs had 0 independent battles in last 100 years

[@robertdiehl1281]

I suspect violence has been in human society for much longer then what the evidence says. Not sure what would cause such a unbelievably cruel act. Except other unbelievably cruel acts.

[@chabanehacene]

I love your channel. Always trying to convince me that I'm black or my acestors were or they were invador of north Africa or something like that.

[@sretnazvijezda400]

More from India than Afrika . Some words are similar

[@mikeny5020]

Your title is misleading this has nothing to do with the modern Croats they came to that region in 700AD

[@nikemozack7269]

Does "Potoçani" means anything in Croatian?

[@JanCakss]

Potok means creek or stream, so the literal translation would be a place by the creek/stream

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

@@JanCakss To be more precise "people near/from the stream"...

[@JanCakss]

@@HladniSjeverniVjetar I think it would be "potočanci" then, but you're probably right

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

@@JanCakss I can give you examples.. i think i understand my mother tongue well enough though :D E.g. Vinkovac - Vinkovčani Zagreb - Zagrepčani otok - otočani potok - Potočani It is just a designation where people live... and Potočani live near or around a creek.

[@Karlo-ul9qt]

People from the river

[@AaAa-sd4vg]

Ich fühle mich und bin Dalmatiner ! meine Familie lebt nachweislich seit über 600 Jahren dort in den Dalmatinischen Bergen ! Wir sind in erster Linie Dalmatiner, danach kroaten.

[@despot3880]

I have genetic ancestors in almost every single archeology spot in Croatia and Serbia, and very much in Romania, Bulgaria and Greece. Very nice video on subject greetings from Serbia.

[@lad4415]

good job

[@ukumukudukudhu7225]

Serbian ancestors = turkish, kurdish, albanian, arab, chechen pashas + bulgarian, avar and mongolian horse riders.

[@nekoime8872]

Well, as A Croat you can always search your DNA in Istanbul, Budapest, Vienna, Venice... 1000 years under foreign soldier....it is like DNA genes coming from a bowl of spaghetti. 🤫🤫

[@nekoime8872]

And Mongol spent time in Croatia ;) not in Serbia LOL

[@ukumukudukudhu7225]

@@nekoime8872 croats fought the mongols...while serbs gave there daughters voluntary to the mongols, like to the ottomans...thats why serbs are more mongol and turkish then mongols and turks themself..while croats are pure white slavs

[@xkillmaster932]

+ japanese + chinese + indians!!! + + +...

[@ginaibisi777]

​@@ukumukudukudhu7225to keep Mongols sweet they give their sisters and brothers😂😂😂😂

[@johnirby493]

Huh? "30 to 40 meters long, and only about 7 feet wide"?

[@lightningspirit2166]

Croatian people are a mixture of ancient European peoples, , including no doubt some neandertahl genes ,their homo sapiens ancestors no doubt are varied also, especially the croats themselves, having originally eastern sarmatian ancestry before entering the balkans ,they are in short a varied mixture of European peoples

[@libertas5005]

Do Bosnian origins next, we have a unique haplogroup tied to the Dinaric Alps.

[@vladimiropacic2795]

Alo mentoli dozovite se pameti Srbi, Hrvati i ovi novonastali Bosnjaci su jedan narod Ne izmisljajte istoriju Postajete gori od Siptara

[@dardan-decaini-dukagjini-d3573]

​@@vladimiropacic2795Lang lebe Pelasgians- Illyrian - Albanian : Illyria - Delmatia - Dardhania - Eperia - Troje

[@Aloalokae4839]

@@vladimiropacic2795Hrvati nisu imali nista sa srbima prije 1918…nismo isti narod…sama cinjenica da imamo svoja posebna imena(Ante,Josip,Hrvoje,…) i prezimena koja se ne mogu naci kod srba govore to…slocan jezik govorimo jer je vuk karadzic uzeo hrvatsku stokavicu kao osnovu modernog srpskog…dokaz za to je logika …hrvatski se kroz povijest nikad nije drasticno mijenjao vec samo evoluirao dok se srpski prije i poslije karadzica podosta razlikuje….Hrvati su sami svoj narod, nemaju nista sa srbima niti zele imat…LP

[@user-mz1nd5mr3y]

​​@@dardan-decaini-dukagjini-d3573Potraži ilirsko-italijanski ili ilirsko - nemački rečnik. Tvoj put je bio Kavkaz-Sicilija-Balkan (Srbija), odakle vas je doveo Đorđe Manijak. Nemaš ti veze ni sa Dardancima ni Ilirima. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKC3ZKGMjK1_n68si=DKIn-urwaIL3AVcq

[@dardan-decaini-dukagjini-d3573]

@@user-mz1nd5mr3y Nuk kuptoi Carpatian - Sarmatian Asiatica - vetëm Pelasgian - ILLYRIAN -ARBËRIAN ( Albanian ) . Google : SERBOI in SARMATIA from CLAUDIUS PTOLEMEUS um 100 - 170 AD,, PLINIUS der Ältere , TACITUS etj. Google : ABROI ( from ARBOI durch Metathesis ) from HACATUS OF MILETUS 560 - 480 BC or ALBANOI from CLAUDIUS PTOLEMEUS. Grettings from DUKAGJINI - DARDhANIA ( CASTELLO DI CASSUA - Ab 14 j. KASAVA - KOSOVO 🤣, durch Sclaveni ( Barbaric Tribe) / South Slavs

[@BobbyBruce03]

Croatian land I believe was part of an ancient pathway through Europe since the ice age. Founded by many waves of sapians as dark as the first to leave the African continent. Of course evolution takes over and you develop a pocket of many civilizations mixing and leaving many answers that should seem elementary level to our current standard of questioning

[@mr.dorianblackwell]

Maybe land that today is called Croatia, but certainly not "since the Ice Age". Because there were no "Croatian lands" at that time.

[@lad4415]

@@mr.dorianblackwell okay smartass

[@RichardKalfic]

@@mr.dorianblackwell LOL he wrote ''ancient pathway through Europe since the ice age'' so it was a pathway. He never said was since the ice age. Read with understanding.

[@davidbenyahuda5190]

@@mr.dorianblackwell perhaps some of us are unaware that so-called non-black people have only been on the planet for six to ten thousand years, making this a Black planet. The idea that nonBlack people are qualified to teach history is belied by the fact that they are incapable of telling the truth and producing justice. They would have to admit to committing unimaginable crimes against the most civilized and noble people on earth for centuries. What has been hidden from view by white supremacists and their cousins is the fact that the unimaginable has occurred on the planet, the savages have control of the earth. And the earth is fighting back. Imagine how Mother feels about her body being filled with beings that hate her children. antiBlacknes will not be tolerated by her. The profundity and ghoulish nature of racism in all of its forms should tell us that she plans to ultimately destroy her enemies.

[@zachvanwolf2123]

And there was no Europe until some Persian princess with thag name rode the back of a taurus (hidden Zeus who kidnapped her, accoring to some old Greek mythology) back then either. So how would you describe old parhways back then geographically, if not using current conventions of geography?

[@TT3TT3]

How do you know it doesn't mean incest and abusive situations just like in modern times.

[@sassa9553]

Church came on Balkan and ...rest is history

[@Kutujutusutjutu-rd6md]

Croatian genetics = I2 (paleo-european) + R1a (slavic) Serbian DNA = E1b1b (berber) + J (turkish) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tonkoprcic3428]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dinsel9691]

Title is misleading. You should have had the name of the study you reference throughout the video as the title. To title it "Croatian Origins" and then speak of an event 62000 years ago in what is now modern day Croatia, is equivalent of naming a video "Anglo-Saxon Origins" and then speaking of a study into Cheddar Man. Croatian were one of many slavic populations that emigrated unto Balkans. The arrivals of Slavs in the Balkans was a slow process over 4 to 6 centuries, culminating into an overhaul of local populations, traditions and languages. A more appropriate "Origin story" of Balkan slavs could be told by the latest ancient dna study in Serbia. It's titled "Cosmopolitanism at the Roman Danubian Frontier, Slavic Migrations, and the Genomic Formation of Modern Balkan Peoples" It clearly show the genetic make up changing slowly over the centuries.

[@milfredcummings717]

Cultures and nations change but genes often remain unchanged.

[@oxygen1359]

@@milfredcummings717 false, at the time of early middle ages happened huge genetic change in the Balkans. Croats by atDNA and Y-DNA are 60-70% of early medieval origin and around 90% of it is Slavic ancestry.

[@milfredcummings717]

@@oxygen1359 If the majority of Croats fled from the Ottomans to the north, west, and islands, how could it be possible that there would be no changes in genes? I do not believe that it is possible, at least at the current level of research, to determine which genes belong to which population of Slavic immigrants. According to some theories, the real Croats were Chakavians and came as Frankish allies in the fight against the Avars in the eighth century. It would be interesting to test this theory through genes. But it is also politically inconvenient because it could be proven that Croats no longer exist as a homogeneous group, which could also be said for Serbs. We are divided today by language and religion but genes care little for such things.

[@Svarog187]

The Slavic immigration theory ist completaly out of date, and was never a real theory among East and West Slavic historians. How can the South Slavs have the oldest Haplogroup in the the Balkans and Europe (Haplogroup I2a) but immigrated there? The I2a Haplogroup is present in the Balkans since EpiGravettian Culture, Lepinski Vir, Vucedol, Starcevo and is still the dominant Haplogroup in all South Slavs. There is no Record of any Slav who migrated there. We know the exact date and names of Avar and Hunnic Invasion, but somehow the Slav Immigration happended whitout any record but they conquered the Balkans easy within years with no Record of one war against the "old" Balkan people? The only sources show an attack against the city of Constantinople and an "uprising" of Slavs in Thessaloniki. All early Slavic historians say that Slavs came from Balkan. The Chronicle of Dalimil (Czech: Dalimilova kronika; Kronika tak řečeného Dalimila) Saint Nestor the Chronicler (Old East Slavic: Несторъ Лѣтописецъ; c. 1056 - c. 1114, in Principality of Kiev, Kievan Rus') Tabula Peutingeriana (Latin for "The Peutinger Map") This map shows first Slavs in the Balkans 2000 years ago. Herodotus the Greek Historian already mentions the Krobyzoi as a Thracien Tribe. South Slavs called Ilyrian language alsways their own and so did all others before some other people started claiming it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_movement The Slavic Immigration Theory was Invented by The Austro-Hungarian Empire while before that they even called the South Slavs Ilyrians. Today this theory is only upheld by Albanians, Greeks, Romanians and people who only use Google for research, even Viennea changend their Slavic Immigration theory. Please give me sources of of Slavic Immigration i wish to see them, because there are none. Only Attacks against what is modern day South Greek.

[@dinsel9691]

@@Svarog187 It is evident that Slavs moved into Balkans from further North and North East. Every genetic study so far has proven it. Including the one mentioned above. Not that it needed much "proving" as Byzantine records clearly document the scourge of Slavs moving in the Balkans. As one puts it "Byzantine cities became like Islands in the sea of Slavs". The fact that you ask how can I Haplogroup be the oldest in Europe and Slavs not be the oldest in the Balkans just shows your complete ignorance on the subject. When you find an answer to your question you may learn something. Slavs are not known for their tendency to accept or espouse the truth.

[@romangenzic4444]

I am croat, few years ago my DNA was analysed with following result: 41% Balkan, 30% East Europe, 25% West Europe, 4% Scandinavian origin.

[@vigisisisi]

Koj YDNk imas

[@apospace3604]

The archaeological finds are located in today's Croatia but have relatively little to do with today's Croatians. The "real" Croatians come from the area of ​​today's Poland and Ukraine and, genetically speaking, have nothing to do with the genetics that have existed in the Balkans for thousands of years (the following haplogroups are meant: I2a, E1b1 (E-V13), J2a, N2-P189. 2, I1a. These haplogroups were gradually added to the Croats over the last 300 years via the Catholic faith. The fact is that the Croats were only settled in Istria and Lika in the 9th century after the advance of the Frankish army and predominantly belonged to a subgroup / branch the haplogroup R1a and partly R1b. The "real" Croatians were blonde, blue-eyed and light-skinned.

[@inmediasres1177]

Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks are 50% slavic and 50% illyrian. All three are europeans.

[@dardan-decaini-dukagjini-d3573]

SCLAVENI ( BARBARIC TRIBE) / SOUTH SLAVS. JOVAN CVIJIĆ :"" SOUTH SLAVS AFTER ARRIVED IN THE BALKANS, FOUND THERE THE ALBANIANS , WHO UNTED THEIR PRESSURE ( SLAVS), RETREATED SOUTHWARD AND TO MOST MOUNTAINOUS AREASS, WHERE WE FACE TODAY'S "". Branislav NUŠIĆ :"" ALBANIANS ARE INDIGENOUS, WHO DURING ALL INVASIONS OF PEOPLES KEPT ITS TYPE THE CHARACTER SIGNIFICANTLY.THEY FACED ATTACKS BY ROMANS, DENSE SLAVS RAIDS WHO INVADET THEM ALL FIELDS, PLAINS, AND RIVERS ""

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

I think they are like 35% Slavic and 65% Illyrian in genetics.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

But their origin is Slavic not Illyrian

[@etruscancivilization]

Who cares about their 35% Slavic and 65% Illyrian genetics since that still equals to "human being". The only purpose that genes can detect is what diseases to be aware of that can harm people. It doesn't change the races of people 😄

[@oxygen1359]

Interesting, Papaza knew the percentages but twisted them in favour of Illyrian ancestry. German autochtonous school troll.

[@mr.dorianblackwell]

@Marko Turalija He said "I think...", which is not a very scientifically valid argument. And then he corrected or contradicted himself with his second comment. Weird.

[@ahad1609]

J2b2a, E1b1b1 and R1b were found in actualy Illyrian and Thracian graves while I2a1b and R1a came with slavic migrations.

[@gyulaerdei3180]

Eredetében a Horvát nép sem szláv,.... !!! ( Csak - el-szlávositott ! * ..... Üdvözlet nekik - Magyar honból ! :)

[@markosimovic6842]

Excellent video BUT have little to no connection to Croats, as the title claims.

[@Ersen_abiniz]

Crotian male anchestors have %6 Y DNA halogrup Q, releated with conquers of hungarian. Mostly croats have l2 and R1a . Shows crotian male population connected with WHG Western hunter gatherers, slavs, and a little Bit hungarian conquers.

[@enerwagner2876]

Thats Nonsense there are a lot of hungarian who live in croatia and who mixed with croatia...hungarians have more slavic (r1a) then vice-versa

[@MsSirAndy]

WHG can also be partly attributed to Germanic and Celtic people as well. Those somehow left a genetic influence in the Croatian population.

[@MsSirAndy]

​​​​@@enerwagner2876R1a is not entirely Slavic. R1a-Z93 is indoeuropean pre Slavic while R1a-M458 and R1a-Z280 altough mostly Slavic might also have had spread in the Balkans and Southeastern Europe with the pre slavic peoples or other tribes as the Goths.. Sure, the majority arrived with Slavs but we shouldn't generalize with haplogroups. A smaller portion of R1a and maybe even I2a1b-Y3120 could have been present in the Balkans prior to the Slavic Migrations, while on the other hand some few R1b, J, G and I1 could be related to Slavs as well. They probably had other haplogroupz in their ranks. Nuanced approach is needed without thinking in absolutes.

[@vigisisisi]

@@MsSirAndy Skot Midher Archaeogenetics edit Mathieson et al. 2018 archaeogenetic study included three samples from Dalmatia: two Early & Middle Bronze Age (1631-1521/1618-1513 calBCE) samples from Veliki Vanik (near Vrgorac) and one Iron Age (805-761 calBCE) sample from Jazinka Cave in Krka National Park. According to ADMIXTURE analysis they had approximately 60% Early European Farmers, 33% Western Steppe Herders and 7% Western Hunter-Gatherer-related ancestry. The male individual from Veliki Vanik carried the Y-DNA haplogroup J2b2a1-L283 while his and two female individuals mtDNA haplogroup were I1a1, W3a1 and HV0e.[49] Freilich et al. 2021 identify the Veliki Vanik samples as related to the Cetina culture (EBA-MBA western Balkans). Patterson et al. 2022 study examined 18 samples from the Middle Bronze Age up to Early Iron Age Croatia, which was part of Illyria. Out of the nine Y-DNA samples retrieved, which coincide with the historical territory where Illyrians lived (including tested Iapydes and Liburni sites), almost all belonged to the patrilineal line J2b2a1-L283 (>J-PH1602 > J-Y86930 and >J-Z1297 subclades) with the exception of one R1b-L2. The mtDNA haplogroups fell under various subclades of H, H1, H3b, H5, J1c2, J1c3, T2a1a, T2b, T2b23, U5a1g, U8b1b1, HV0e. In a three-way admixture model, they approximately had 49-59% EEF, 35-46% Steppe and 2-10% WHG-related ancestry.[50] In Lazaridis et al. (2022) key parts of the territory of historical territory of Illyria were tested. In 18 samples from the Cetina culture, all males except for one (R-L51 > Z2118) carried Y-DNA haplogroup J-L283. Many of them could be further identified as J-L283 > Z597 (> J-Y15058 > J-Z38240 > J-PH1602). The majority of individuals carried mtDNA haplogroups J1c1 and H6a1a. The related Posušje culture yielded the same Y-DNA haplogroup (J-L283 > J-Z38240). The same J-L283 population appears in the MBA-IA Velim Kosa tumuli of Liburni in Croatia (J-PH1602), and similar in LBA-IA Velika Gruda tumuli in Montenegro (J-Z2507 > J-Z1297 > J-Y21878). The oldest J-L283 (> J-Z597) sample in the study was found in MBA Shkrel, northern Albania as early as the 19th century BCE. In northern Albania, IA Çinamak, half of them men carried J-L283 (> J-Z622, J-Y21878) and the other half R-M269 (R-CTS1450, R-PF7563). The oldest sample in Çinamak dates to the first era of post-Yamnaya movements (EBA) and carries R-M269.[51] Autosomally, Croatian Bronze Age samples from various sites, from Cetina valley and Bezdanjača Cave were "extremely similar in their ancestral makeup",[52] while from Montenegro's Velika Gruda mainly had an admixture of "Anatolian Neolithic (~50%), Eastern European hunter-gatherer (~12%), and Balkan hunter-gatherer ancestry (~18%)".[53] The oldest Balkan J-L283 samples have been found in final Early Bronze Age (ca. 1950 BCE) site of Mokrin in Serbia and about 100-150 years later in Shkrel, northern Albania.[54][55] Aneli et al. 2022 based on samples from EIA Dalmatia argue that the Early Iron Age Illyrians made "part of the same Mediterranean continuum" with the "autochthonous [...] Roman Republicans" and had high affinity with Daunians, part of Iapygians in Apulia, southeastern Italy. Iron Age male samples from Daunian sites have yielded J-M241>J-L283+, R-M269>Z2103+ and I-M223 lineages.[56] Three Bronze Age males which carry J-L283 have been found in the Late Bronze Age Nuragic civilization of Sardinia. This late find in Sardinia in comparison to western Balkan samples suggests a dispersal from the western Balkans towards this region, perhaps via an intermediary group in the Italian peninsula.[A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in 2019 examined the mtDNA of 25 Thracian remains in Bulgaria from the 3rd and 2nd millennia BC. They were found to harbor a mixture of ancestry from Western Steppe Herders (WSHs) and Early European Farmers (EEFs), supporting the idea that Southeast Europe was the link between Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean.[3] Bulgarian study from 2013 claims genetic similarity between Thracians (8-6 century BC), medieval Bulgarians (8-10 century AD), and modern Bulgarians, highlighting highest resemblance between them and the ethnic groups in Northern and Middle Italy, Northern Greece and Romania.[101] Examinations of Iron Age and ancient Thracian remains in Bulgaria were found to mainly carry the Y-DNA haplogroup E-V13.[102] The tested samples were further specifically listed as: E-BY3880 x 3, E-L618 x 2, E-M78 x 2, R-Z93, E-CTS1273, E-BY14160.[103] Six of the samples were predicted for having brown eyes while two for having blue eyes, while majority of the samples were predicted for an intermediate skin color and hair color prediction ranged from majority brown on detailed, to light and dark.[104] Examinations of remains from the Roman era in Timacum Minus, in Eastern Serbia, and around the Naissus area of Eastern Dardania revealed the samples belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E-V13.[105]

[@vigisisisi]

@@MsSirAndy I2a M423 L621 CTS10228Y3120 was not foundet to any tested balkan skeletons of period before Roman Conquest

[@tolotamankula7718]

Croatian ancestors = white croats (todays poles, ukrainians, czechs), illyrians, goths Serbian ancestors & DNA = turkish, kurdish, albanian, arab, chechen pashas + bulgarian, avar and mongolian horse riders. almost every croat look german and russian, while almost every serb look indian, arab and sometimes chinese (milan stankovic) because the mongols and tatars had also fun with serbian women

[@endritbajrami8795]

croatian bosnian albanian are illyrian . same tribe

[@Karlo-ul9qt]

Its bullshit what you are writing.croatian from dalmtatia and bosnia hercegovina have mostly dark hair and skin

[@vigisisisi]

@@endritbajrami8795 Archaeogenetics edit Mathieson et al. 2018 archaeogenetic study included three samples from Dalmatia: two Early & Middle Bronze Age (1631-1521/1618-1513 calBCE) samples from Veliki Vanik (near Vrgorac) and one Iron Age (805-761 calBCE) sample from Jazinka Cave in Krka National Park. According to ADMIXTURE analysis they had approximately 60% Early European Farmers, 33% Western Steppe Herders and 7% Western Hunter-Gatherer-related ancestry. The male individual from Veliki Vanik carried the Y-DNA haplogroup J2b2a1-L283 while his and two female individuals mtDNA haplogroup were I1a1, W3a1 and HV0e.[49] Freilich et al. 2021 identify the Veliki Vanik samples as related to the Cetina culture (EBA-MBA western Balkans). Patterson et al. 2022 study examined 18 samples from the Middle Bronze Age up to Early Iron Age Croatia, which was part of Illyria. Out of the nine Y-DNA samples retrieved, which coincide with the historical territory where Illyrians lived (including tested Iapydes and Liburni sites), almost all belonged to the patrilineal line J2b2a1-L283 (>J-PH1602 > J-Y86930 and >J-Z1297 subclades) with the exception of one R1b-L2. The mtDNA haplogroups fell under various subclades of H, H1, H3b, H5, J1c2, J1c3, T2a1a, T2b, T2b23, U5a1g, U8b1b1, HV0e. In a three-way admixture model, they approximately had 49-59% EEF, 35-46% Steppe and 2-10% WHG-related ancestry.[50] In Lazaridis et al. (2022) key parts of the territory of historical territory of Illyria were tested. In 18 samples from the Cetina culture, all males except for one (R-L51 > Z2118) carried Y-DNA haplogroup J-L283. Many of them could be further identified as J-L283 > Z597 (> J-Y15058 > J-Z38240 > J-PH1602). The majority of individuals carried mtDNA haplogroups J1c1 and H6a1a. The related Posušje culture yielded the same Y-DNA haplogroup (J-L283 > J-Z38240). The same J-L283 population appears in the MBA-IA Velim Kosa tumuli of Liburni in Croatia (J-PH1602), and similar in LBA-IA Velika Gruda tumuli in Montenegro (J-Z2507 > J-Z1297 > J-Y21878). The oldest J-L283 (> J-Z597) sample in the study was found in MBA Shkrel, northern Albania as early as the 19th century BCE. In northern Albania, IA Çinamak, half of them men carried J-L283 (> J-Z622, J-Y21878) and the other half R-M269 (R-CTS1450, R-PF7563). The oldest sample in Çinamak dates to the first era of post-Yamnaya movements (EBA) and carries R-M269.[51] Autosomally, Croatian Bronze Age samples from various sites, from Cetina valley and Bezdanjača Cave were "extremely similar in their ancestral makeup",[52] while from Montenegro's Velika Gruda mainly had an admixture of "Anatolian Neolithic (~50%), Eastern European hunter-gatherer (~12%), and Balkan hunter-gatherer ancestry (~18%)".[53] The oldest Balkan J-L283 samples have been found in final Early Bronze Age (ca. 1950 BCE) site of Mokrin in Serbia and about 100-150 years later in Shkrel, northern Albania.[54][55] Aneli et al. 2022 based on samples from EIA Dalmatia argue that the Early Iron Age Illyrians made "part of the same Mediterranean continuum" with the "autochthonous [...] Roman Republicans" and had high affinity with Daunians, part of Iapygians in Apulia, southeastern Italy. Iron Age male samples from Daunian sites have yielded J-M241>J-L283+, R-M269>Z2103+ and I-M223 lineages.[56] Three Bronze Age males which carry J-L283 have been found in the Late Bronze Age Nuragic civilization of Sardinia. This late find in Sardinia in comparison to western Balkan samples suggests a dispersal from the western Balkans towards this region, perhaps via an intermediary group in the Italian peninsula.[A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in 2019 examined the mtDNA of 25 Thracian remains in Bulgaria from the 3rd and 2nd millennia BC. They were found to harbor a mixture of ancestry from Western Steppe Herders (WSHs) and Early European Farmers (EEFs), supporting the idea that Southeast Europe was the link between Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean.[3] Bulgarian study from 2013 claims genetic similarity between Thracians (8-6 century BC), medieval Bulgarians (8-10 century AD), and modern Bulgarians, highlighting highest resemblance between them and the ethnic groups in Northern and Middle Italy, Northern Greece and Romania.[101] Examinations of Iron Age and ancient Thracian remains in Bulgaria were found to mainly carry the Y-DNA haplogroup E-V13.[102] The tested samples were further specifically listed as: E-BY3880 x 3, E-L618 x 2, E-M78 x 2, R-Z93, E-CTS1273, E-BY14160.[103] Six of the samples were predicted for having brown eyes while two for having blue eyes, while majority of the samples were predicted for an intermediate skin color and hair color prediction ranged from majority brown on detailed, to light and dark.[104] Examinations of remains from the Roman era in Timacum Minus, in Eastern Serbia, and around the Naissus area of Eastern Dardania revealed the samples belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E-V13.[105]

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⁠@@endritbajrami8795 Y ADN eshte kod gjenetik cka trashegohet nga Babai dhe nuk ndryshon pamvarsisht perzierjes Y ADN EV13 J2b L283 R1b M269 perbenin shumicen e Iliro Dardaneve sot Shumicen e Shqipetareve Kroatet Boshnjaket e Bosnes jo keto te Sanxhakut sot e ndare Serbi Mal Te Zi Y ADN ma dominante e kane I2a M423 L621 CTS10228 Y3120 R1a M458 R1a Z280 keto nuk jan gjetur tek asnje nga eshtrat ne Ballkan para kohes Romake por kan ardh 1400-1500 vite me pare

[@vigisisisi]

@@endritbajrami8795 Kroatet dhe Boshnjaket jeton ne token Ilire por shumica nuk jan pasardhes te Ilireve

[@Etic335]

So Where are the Croatian comes from???????

[@marko1978st]

07:05 I drive those viaducts every day :)) Fortress Klis, theclast western stance against the ottoman empire Home

[@johnhoward8362]

i visited coroitia beautiful people not like other balckan countries

[@nekoime8872]

Yeah, Croatia was made by Hitler in 1941, and it committed biggest genocide in entire history of Southeastern Europe.... "beautiful people".

[@damijanxxx7221]

Others are even more kind andhospitable

[@victorknezevich7281]

Mesolithic and neolithic european peoples were not necessarily darker or brown skinned, there is no conclusive evidence to state either,the truth is probably that those populations of Europeans who had been living the longest in ice age Europe were light skinned , but some may have been brown skinned,and those neolithic elements from Middle East may have had light brown skin dark brown skin,or even light skin, but its all swings and roundabouts, and does it really matter anyway it only really matters to people who have a racist axe to grind eg this channel and other white haters, I have a mixed eurasian part croatian Bosnian back ground ,and I could not give a flying fuck what skin colour came first I get racist abuse from black negros , Pakistanis who call me a dirty jew and white Europeans who call me a dirty gypsy dirty kurd etc..,but these white skin haters are merely reverse racists,with a political racial axe to grind.All people have prejudices, no matter what skin colour they are its a human trait, if someone invents a time machine then all history can be fairly scientifically judged until then,all theories of ancient, history race etc need to be taken with a large pinch of common sense salt,don't believe any so called experts of historical racial theory etc ..none are absolutely correct and all are arrogant assholes with political racial axes to grind,and none of them believe in compromise, only that they have to be right and you have to be wrong.

[@dinsel9691]

We now have a very good understanding of snps responsible for skin colour and eye colour. If we get enough dna from an ancient bone, we CAN reconstruct the skin and eye colour. You are 100% WRONG. The earliest hunter gatherers (i.e. those that spend 30k years in Europe before farmers started coming in) were extremely dark in skin tone with 100% blue eyes.

[@DaisyMaeMoses]

I love my guilt-free slavic ancestry!

[@victorknezevich7281]

@@DaisyMaeMoses very good,I 👍 I agree ,

[@elainemoreland3908]

Were they not that far from apes?

[@tinsoffish1810]

If early africans were black...why are the bottoms of thier feet white.

[@oxygen1359]

Change the title since it is misleading, scientific studies and samples both ancient and contemporary including this study proved that modern Croats by atDNA and Y-DNA are 60-70% of early medieval origin and around 90% of it is Slavic ancestry (other 10% is German). They are at maximum 30-35% of Illyrian/Roman etc. ancestry.

[@mikeny5020]

I was thinking the same thing this has nothing to do with modern Croats 🇦🇱

[@isoldam]

They lived in what is now modern Croatia, so they are early Croatians. He did not say that their genetics were the same as modern Croatians.

[@amiwho3464]

@@isoldam Croatia didnt exist then lol. they are ancient SOUTH EUROPEANS. We know nothing more of what the lands were called then

[@macawism]

Read somewhere that the Slavic tribes which had attacked Byzantium, were later bought off and settled in the lands they have occupied ever since, known as Croatia and Serbia. Can anyone clarify with an evidential narrative, not some nationalist propaganda

[@eminentbishop1325]

@@amiwho3464 its all semantics relax

[@ems4884]

Does it really make sense to talk about Croatian origins? I find it far more practical to discuss the history of three Southern Slavs as a group.

[@zsoltbakos685]

nothing has changed

[@akbalada-of7yp]

Serbs had 0 battles im there whole history...it was serbian girls who worked for turkish, african, arab and albanian pashas and before that for byzantines, avars, bulgarian and mongol rulers...