Croatian Taxes are Too High, But This One is Low... and Unfair

[@markopetrunic7598]

i have a small bussines, and rough math is....on 100 euros made, you pay 64 euros on tax.

[@James-tz5kh]

Great place and you pay 3 times more for do do than UK

[@user-us2ho9dv6r]

There is no such thing as a fair tax. Taxation is theft. It is crazy that we have forgot that. There is no fair share of theft.

[@tomislavveg]

Don't go down this rout. Saying "this one pays less taxes then the other guy" it's just jealousy. "Hrvatski Jal". Better rout would be "hey, let's have businesses pay less taxes". Because you will not get fairer system here. They will just tax rental owners more and leave businesses as is. In general people should also have some "dream" to strive for. We have this "Croatian dream". To quote Hladno Pivo: "Objesi Zimer frei, sjedi pod palmu i uživaj". You want small business owners and young people to have incentive to invest in rental real estate. If you change tax code every year, you loose very important factor for stable and growing society. Stability. People fearing what the government will do next, because they see constant radical changes in tax laws, when they think about investing their hard earned money in real estate (or anything) is going to make this place a lot less attractive for young generations. Any change on tax code that is not removal or reduction of taxes, and more importantly bureaucratic barriers is in general harmful for society.

[@PaulBradbury]

Not sure why this is hrvatski jal, given that I have benefited from coastal rental income. You didn't answer the question. Should the coastal renter pay more, less or the same tax as the Vukovar guy in the video example?

[@tomislavveg]

I am (almost) like the Vukovar guy. All i have is 2 room commie block apartment in Zagreb. It's not even mine 100%. Maybe some Vukovar guy inherited some agricultural land at least. Not me. So a guy in Split who inherited something from his grandparents near the coast have massive unfair advantage over me and the Vukovar guy. So what? Punish the guy in Split because he won the birthplace lottery to make it more even for me? No. Life is unfair. Taxes make things worse. From your video what you seams to be advocating for are the hotels. You said it. "Oh we have more apartments now, and less hotels". So more families have opportunity to live more comfortable lives at expanse of hotel chain owners. And that's a bad thing? 🤔 2 years ago there was massive "hajka" on paušalni obrtnici. Because owners of big IT companies complained paušalni obrtnici are paying less tax from their employees which is "unfair". As a result me and thousands of others one man self employed people got questionnaires from our tax authorities where we had to prove we are not "secretly employed". That took massive hit on my physicals and mental health. Inspite the fact i'm the real deal "the real freelancer". Just the fact some big company owners can influence out tax authorities on a whim like that and make them to do what ever they want makes my blood boil. And it was all under the same mask of "fairness". From what you are saying here i'm reading big hotel owners whining and complaining. No one else. Not the Vukovar guy. @@PaulBradbury

[@wellwh0]

Thing is no that one is earning near €30k, that is rare. For that you need to have at least 6 apartments and be 4 months fully booked. Entrance costs for making 6 apartments is probably €350k in equity or more (where you also would be taxed by building them). So doing day renting or "b'n'b'" is also doing business and taking risks.

[@megyseth1733]

It was never fair. It will never be fair. Imagine working for 4 months and enjoying your life for 8 months... who wouldn't want to live like that? Personally I'll always consider them to be parasitical parts of society. They do nothing and complain about everything.

[@stipe3124]

I rent two small apartments 29 and 35 square metters and maybe have 4-8 thousand Euroes traffic, even with todays taxes and bills i cant have to much profit, if in the end 50% of that money stays as profit i am happy, we do cleaning ourselfs and there is also always something to fix, now big guys who really earn 30 thousan euroes would not really care but for really small familly rentals it would be a disaster if there is more taxes.

[@PaulBradbury]

Yes i hear you but the question remains the same - should the tax on this income be more, less or the same as the guy in the Vukovar example in the video?

[@stipe3124]

@@PaulBradbury For sam reason goverments almost never scale taxes in a way that depending on earnings taxes are different, they can put for example that people with less than 10 thousand euros income from tourism pay less tax and from i don't know 10- 50 thousand pay more and from 50 thousand and more, they pay highest tax. All i know is that small guy always ends up in very bad position compared to medium/ big guy .

[@BokiHRV]

Imagine a world or at least a country where everyone and i mean every single one employee, freelancer, companies - private sector, public sector etc. - everyone - would pay the exact same percentage of tax - only once - on your income and that is it - simple an fair, still those with higher income pay higher tax amount than those with lesser income pay lesser tax amaount, but at the same time everybody pays the same fair percentage - everything is linear, no encouragement and reason for grey economy, no need for complicated calculations and procedures and legal workarounds and pile of workforce both at the state and companies in order to deal with that, no need for fake spendings as income is taxed, not profit, no need for a lot of in that case useless knowledge, tools, people, companies, etc etc who are not contributing to this world with anything usefull but instead additionally putting weight to those who do create real additional value... 😴

[@erwinheinhuis]

Dear Mr. Bradbury, the world is not fair at all. Is it fair that you make money talking about fairness in a three minute video?

[@arekset]

I will answer in his name - YES

Yup, it's fair. He made the video and posted it. YOU decided to watch and give him views upon which he gets paid. The fact that YOU decided that he should get paid is completely ok, isn't it? Also, in the ten years of this channel he could have earned a maximum of 5000$. Let's not get upset about 5000$

[@domagojkondic8152]

This was literally the most stupid thing I have ever read in all of my life, there was never written anything worst than your comment, your oppinion is bad and you should feel bad

[@PaulBradbury]

Not sure what your point is. My content is free to watch, and if it is low quality, then nobody will watch it. Whether or not it is monetised is relevant or unfair in what way exactly?

[@e.k.8917]

Well, you forget one key point of Croatia's economy, it is heavily tourism based, meaning they are contributing to the economy, we do not like being tourism based, we would love to be more productive, but it does not make money here, tourism does. The 30 000 euro limit is there for "little guy" (nobody will be like, I could make 100 000 but I don't want to pay taxes, nor is it enough to live a great life), otherwise with how low the income in Croatia is and how housing prices are cheap considering the standards in Europe. "Big players" could just dominate the market and you would have a massive disparity of the extremely rich and the extremely poor. (As poor people would not be able to make enough money with paying high taxes for it to be viable, therefore be forced to sell their properties, therefore make their ability to make money even lesser) Edit: Is this fair or how it should be? Definitely no, but it is the best we got, maybe if the government officials did anything to change/improve the economy to not be so heavily reliant on tourism or at least have an all year round tourism, you would solve this "unfairness". Sadly, they are too busy filling their own pockets with the peoples money.

[@JmKrokY]

"We would love to be more productive, but it does not make money here" Almost as if just saying stuff instead of actually building a better economy doesn't help the economy at all?

[@e.k.8917]

@@JmKrokY You do realise how economics works? Even if you have an amazing business idea and are an amazing worker, you still need things such a loans, paperwork, grants etc. The economic situation is designed to work for tourism, going against that is going against the economy, as if owning a business in not hard as is, you want to do it while going against the system, yea good luck with that.

[@BokiHRV]

Paul you pointed out another important topic in Croatia, well done. I would just add to it that if someone in Vukovar or elswhere in Croatia is earning 30000 € per year that someone is probably happy and living pleasent life. ;-) Another part of that rental taxation problem is that long term rentals which are acumulatively observed much cheaper are taxed with 10 % and that is absolutely unfair in comparison to short term tourist rentals which are much more expensive and only taxed 2 % as you mentioned.

[@wellwh0]

nisu operozavani 2%. ja sam platio na zaradu od €15350 oko €2000 poreza, ide paušal + turističke takse + porez na platforme tipa Booking. Dalje imaš overhead trošak (tipa kredit, režije).... nije to takva zarada. 4 apartmana. Bio sam 2 i pol mj pun; s tim "ja", no ja sam suvlasnik. Plus kolko je poreza plaćeno za tu kuću dok se gradila. Drugim riječima jako dug rok za ispltu investicije je rentanje. Ta kuća isto traži novac preko zime, s tim da moram napomenut da je kuća kad pređe 15-20 god rupa bez dna.

[@BokiHRV]

@@wellwh0 ispricavam se ako grijesim ali cini mi se da brkate prihod i profit - znaci 2000 € ukupno / 4 apartmana = 500 € po apartmanu. Minimalni paušalni porez je ugrubo 20 € bez prireza i maksimalno 250 € s maksimalnim prirezom. Znači imate 2 - 25 kreveta po apartmanu odnosno 8 - 100 ukupno - vec ovdje vidimo apsurd ovakvog nacina oporezivanja. Tamo gdje je niži porez je i manje prometno i atraktivno pa su i niže cijene, a tamo gdje je atraktivnije i veća potražnja su puno više cijene - ako se ne varam samo uži centar Dubrovnika i Splita imaju najviši iznos, a tamo su cijene astronomske. E sad ako ste vi za 2,5 mjeseci odnosno 75 dana dok ste bili puni zaradili 15350 € to je malo više od 200 € po danu na 8 do 100 kreveta ukupno. S obzirom na tu cifru i ovogodišnje podivljale cijene najma pretpostavljam da niste niti u području najskupljeg paušalnog iznosa niti da imate više od 2 - 3 kreveta po apartmanu što mi opet ne štima jer čak ako imate tako malo kreveta i takvu zaradu za 2 i pol puna mjeseca plus a platili ste toliki porez onda ili prejeftino iznjamljujete ili možda to nisu točni iznosi ili možda ne plaćate paušalni porez već porez po osnovi samostalne djelatnosti. 🤷 Ovdje je riječ o paušalnom porezu koji je propisan na ugrubo 20 do 250 eura godišnje po krevetu što je itekako nepravedno vec unutar tog raspona "istog" poreza od 20 do 250 i u odnosu na Porez na dugoročni najam koji iznosi 10 % koji sam spomenuo - to su činjenice. A poreze na poreze počevši od bruto neto plaće pa pdva kojeg plaćamo na u biti sve gdje trošimo tu već oporezovanu plaću ima obicna raja a ne iznajmljivaci s apartmanima koji zive od toga. A ostale spomenute troskove imamo svi i iznajmljivaci apartmana / stanovima koji od toga fino zarade i obicna raja s kreditima i vlastitim kucama / stanovima u koima zive i koje treba kupiti i odrzavati i isto placati rezije i ljeti i zimi a nista time ne zarade ili da ne govorim ljudi bez vlastite nekretnine koji zive u najmu i gazdi placaju kredit i odrzavanje... a booking airbnb agenciju za najam spremacice i sl ne mora placati nitko ako ne zeli - to je poslovna odluka u cilju podizanja zarade a ne obavezna stavka kao sto je porez... tako da to spominjati uopce stvarno nije u redu jer nije tema koliko je opcenito isplativ najam apartmana vec je tema usporedba poreznih tereta odnosno nepravednost poreznog tereta na kratkorocni najam u odnosu naostale poreze u Hrvatskoj. Nego, gdje mogu rezervirati Vas smjestaj, za do 80 € po danu na dubrovackim ili dioklecijanovim zidinama ili nekoj drugoj najtop lokaciji kako ispada prema racunici potpisujem na nevidjeno. 😉🍻

[@miikayak]

Fair Tax = 0 Tax.

[@MrDurin]

It is commonly known that property tax in Croatia is unfair, but it is also said that any political party which introduces fair taxes on property loses the next election. Also, in Croatia large percentage of people who buy or sell property have actually inherited some property themselves, while in other countries inheritance tax is considerably higher.

[@dt6822]

Property taxes are one thing. Income generated from the property is not property tax. It's income tax. Property taxes fund the local government. If you have a house dwelling, it is intended for a single family residence. Any use of that dwelling to generate income is therefore a business activity where the property is now used for capital gains. The property tax implications are usually in the form of local government requiring you to meet certain building code standards, and obtain a business license. They may require you to take out permits for your construction, and charge you a higher property tax because the property is no longer used as a single family dwelling - but as a hotel or boarding house - which places greater burden on the local community in terms of generating more trash, more traffic, more cars and parking, more use of local utilities like water and sewer, more problems with noise, more conflicts that police have to deal with. That is one aspect - and that needs to be dealt with. But then even if you deal with the local property tax issues, what Bradbury is talking about are income taxes. You're generating a profit on the property. You also need to pay income taxes, preferably a progressive band of income taxes depending on how you acquired the property. If the property was given to you - you are generating a profit from having incurred no expenses and taken no risk in the form of capital loss potential. If you purchased the property with your own money for the express purpose of generating income from it, then you can apply a different tax scheme using capital gains losses - since the money you used to purchase the property was already taxed - you can deduct expenses against the property and account for depreciation. Then your gains might be subject to capital gains taxes (usually much lower) rather than income taxes. People often remark that Canada is a very lenient country when it comes to criminal justice. They'll point to cases where criminals get out of jail for murdering someone after only a few years. What they don't tell you is that Canada, and generally British societies and most western nations, are absolutely brutal to the point relentless harassment, for administrative rules enforcement, because they apply a theory of public administration called "broken window theory" - idea that you act in draconian methods for minor offenses, and then you don't have many major offenses because there is an impression of the public that the state is watching. You get a parking ticket in Canada, god help you if you don't pay it. There will come a point where you won't be able to do anything unless you pay that ticket. And you could be the prime minister and the Messiah, the moment you step on the soil you're bombarded with airport fee, landing fee, baggage fee, resort fee, transportation fee, goods and services tax, parking fee, road fee, bridge fee.

[@wellwh0]

Property tax? why would you pay a tax on a land that you own? for god sake. I may understand tax on polluting, Co2 car norms and other bs?... Property tax? wtf. Some properties are for living, not for business. Would you tax them as well? I'm libertarian and I feel this all taxes promotion are by westerns who never worked and never in family experienced socialism. Please, we need lover taxes on assets. Assets are good, they make man thrive for something, make human work for something. For god sake. You socialist fuckers.

[@markoarcabic]

My homeland has hundreds of boroughs and almost as much as counties.... what else will feed those "uhljebs"? National pride?

[@mattmckeon1688]

I have raised this point for over ten years as the most glaring unfairness in the tax system, and it is striking how vehemently people defend the status quo. Usual straw man arguments about the poor old pensioners in their prime coastal properties, deflecting from the windfall that will deliver to those who will inherit that property. Property taxes in Croatia aren't well designed - not only are they regressive, but also overly complicated. It's principle should be to equalise the locational benefit that accrues to a small number of people because of where they own property. It would actually benefit more people in the country if the additional revenue from tax on passive income was used to offset more punitive taxes like the Nordic level 25% VAT.

[@mattmckeon1688]

As much as people reduce this inequality debate to Adriatic Croatia vs everywhere else, it's even unfair within Dalmatia. Huge variations as you move from North to South, but also as you move inland even a few tens of kilometres. The ability to earn apartment rental income is also a factor in pushing up house prices for those that need to buy.

[@utvara1]

Croatian dream is to be a lazy rent seeker. edit I am Croatian. We have a problem with our culture.

[@mattmckeon1688]

@utvara1 it actually holds back productive enterprise and value adding business on the coast. Why take the risk of starting a new business and deal with the bureaucracy and hassle when you can earn as much or more from renting out apartments and running a taxi business on the side. It's accepted because the money is (mostly) going to Croatian citizens, but it most benefs those who are already fairly comfortable. As we move on a generation or two, it will become a big issue as a lucky cohort of young people inherit an asset that produces more income than the national average salary.

[@JmKrokY]

​@@utvara1Bad dream

[@dt6822]

They understand. They just don't care. There is a reason why Slavic societies have always done better with strong-man approach like Putin. They're very aggressive and violent emotional egos and people have major anger issues so I don't blame some regional administrator for not undertaking the necessary measures to collect taxes or whatever. The whole system is disincentivized from justice.

[@JmKrokY]

Yeah, we have some pretty big taxes

[@jarac69]

As someone who somewhat understands the Croatian tax system, it's pretty good for new and small businesses, compared to rich countries. But, that's an excellent point you made about fairer tax!

[@kirosmatavastros]

I'm single freelancer IT developer and now I'm afraid to move in to Croatia after learning that above 36000 a year is no longer counted as small business.

[@jarac69]

@@kirosmatavastros can you elaborate why is it so frightening? I'm guessing because of tax brackets?

[@dt6822]

And now you will demonstrate to everyone in Croatia the famous problem in the Balkans - the fact that what works for me is amazing - I only complain about what other people do and don't do. All the dishonesty, lying, theft and corruption I engage in is just and right because it profits me, the problem is all the things other people do. "It's not you, it's not me, it's the guy hiding up the tree." All of the problems the region has had are due to the people themselves - but their favourite activity is moral self exculpation. The continuous droning narrative of scapegoating someone else and blaming the politicians - who are of course elected by the people themselves and express the character of the nation. Everybody wants a better state, but they don't understand elementary concepts in economics - that productivity generates wealth. The more you produce, the more there is for everyone to consume, and the price of it then goes down and you generate wealth for yourself. Basic economic growth has to depend on the monetization of resources that are produced for free, with some human activity - that comes in the form of food production through photosynthesis. The more of that product you have, the more other types of economic activity can be undertaken. Apartment rentals is monetizing a real asset - it contributes nothing to the productivity of the economy and that's what Bradbury is saying. I would be surprised if such people even properly fund social services for themselves - a national pension fund or medical services plan - probably doing it all under the table meaning they are additionally a burden on society because others then have to fund their pension or healthcare. The state needs to implement a Vat or sales tax and one way to deal with regional inequities is to have it apply in the coastal regions. They also need to implement tax controls at the banking level, not at the point of sale - if you're 35 yrs old and you indicate on your tax return that you are unemployed from a coastal area, that should be highly suspicious and the tax authorities should audit you. The local government also needs to enforce building regulations and apply property taxes on rental properties thereby flagging the owner of the property to the state tax collections agency.

[@PaulBradbury]

Interesting points - thanks

[@tekbal]

💯 agree with this comment. Especially the part where, how in the name of God does a 35 year old guy/gal survives without employment for months and does not pay taxes?! FFS

[@dt6822]

@@tekbal worse yet that guy is the biggest critic of the government, since his life is good enough through the efforts of other people. Usually his parents, or by hustling and renting is apartment out or doing the occasional job, that he isn't motivated enough to actually do anything, because he doesn't actually have it that bad, but he wishes he could have it better, so it's always externalized and blamed on someone else. On someone else. Part of the reason why this region has so much ethnic conflict is because they have so many bored people. Much easier to imagine the serbs under your bed then to actually do something with your life

[@domagojhorvat950]

It is not like that. If you live, for instance, in Vukovar, Sisak etc. you pay less taxes for your business . Those are areas of special governments care and are subjected to some privileges and stimulations via subventions or smaller taxes than the rest of Croatia.

[@PaulBradbury]

Vukovar was just an example. Lets say Varazdin then. The question nobody answers is should the renter in Split pay more, less or the same tax as the guy In Vukovar working 12 months? Whats your answer?

[@jhutfre4855]

This is the point I also figured out as soon as I turned 19 in Rijeka! That that is why Slavonia is the biggest loser post YU collapse.

[@edioscroatia7745]

Croatia is an example of having family rentals. Saying this with the information that Croats have one of the highest-owned properties per capita This helped Dalmatia grow and, to be honest, whole Croatia. After years of destroying remnants of industry we had in the former state, we have tourism going and helping numerus families from Croatia and now from all of the EU (remember, now foreigners can rent family apartments). I hear now that all the blame is on privately owned properties, and tourism is bad because of that. Why didn't you call mayors and the PM of Croatia do more with our taxes? Why didn't they ban (growing tourism in Split, for example) years ago or for example, ban foregin people for owning any apartment in Croatia or property? I am sure you would be happy to sell your property after that law. What would you like: having apartments that you can rent and earn, or working for a multinational corporation and having a mostly bad salary? Remember, local apartments use local stores and services, while hotels are mostly closed to spending tourist money in large complexes and use large companies for their food(non croatian food, why is Slavonia empty?). While apartments have kitchens and are more likely to have guests spend time inside and outside, (going to the local pazar, for example and when bored going to many new restaurants). I think, Paul, you need to think a little bit more about your own country and how it is going over there, and stop advocating for more taxes in Croatia because you are not sounding like giving a constructive critique but something much worse.

[@jhutfre4855]

Remember that renting inherited property isn't work. It is obvious you don't have any idea how it is to live in continental parts.

[@kani9284]

" I think, Paul, you need to think a little bit more about your own country and how it is going over there," Croatia is his country, since he's been living there for over 20 years.

[@edioscroatia7745]

​ @jhutfre4855 You have no idea how much work needs to be done to operate properties, and it is clear you have complexes: '' I am working, they are not, and they have more money than I do''. Regarding living in continental parts, I do have family living in Dalmatian Zagora, but imagine if continental Croatia had growing tourism; you would also start renting and found out that tourism is a hard industry.

[@edioscroatia7745]

@@kani9284 Do you know how many EU and non-EU citizens bought properties just in Split? Take a look at the statistics, please. We need to stop having foreigners be able to buy any condo, apartment, or house without paying a yearly tax specific to them, as they usually don't live there and just use it during the summer. This guy who lives on attention and clicks is trying to explain in 3 minutes that he is not part of the problem.

[@PaulBradbury]

Not sure why i need to think a little more about my own country as I have visited about 5 times in the last 20 years, and my interest is Croatia. re banning foreigners buying property, there is hte law of reciprocity - are you suggesting we should ban Croats from buying abroad as part of the deal? I can totally understand having apartments to rent and paying almost no tax is better than working - my point was about the fairness of it. You didn't answer the question. Should the coastal renter pay more, less or the same tax as the Vukovar guy in the video example? And why?

[@centarproduction7667]

Looks like you've adopted continental mentality ever since moving to Zagreb - the "I don't have it good so why should you?" approach. I say good for coastal areas since that regulation creates the middle class in Croatia (which is dying out). Plus, what's stopping anyone from anywhere to purchase a property on the coast and do the same? On top of all that, what do you think higher taxation will achieve? You should know by now that the money collected through it will go towards hiring more relatives in government positions as well as more malversations from the same officials. Anyone who believes the opposite is either naive or delusional in my opinion. Cheers

[@PaulBradbury]

Not really, esp as i have benefited from having a coastal rental property. One of the things stopping people doing the same is they cant afford it. And i am not advocating higher taxes but fairer taxes. As usual, nobody answers the question. Should the renter in Split pay more, less or the same tax as the guy working 12 months in Vukovar in the example in the video? Whats your answer?

[@centarproduction7667]

@@PaulBradbury but you see, they (in Vukovar) have the same benefits for rent and the same, if not lower, taxation for small businesses. Afaik, it's tax free up to 40k if it provides services (and a proper type of company is registered). In this case, the real issue would be that Vukovar is attractive only 1 day of the year as opposed to Split. And to answer your question, if they both work in ltd type of company they should be taxed the same (but now the guy in Split is taxed more). If they have a small business in their name, also the same. It's a mistake to mix rental income and work income by type of employment and just put them both in the same bracket.

[@edioscroatia7745]

@@centarproduction7667 He doesn't check anything; he just blabbers about his experience. If he knew, he would be more silent and have a different video.

[@tomislavbrlek6940]

I laughed when you said "the guy in split working" 😅 as Croatian living outside Croatia and a business owner, less tax for business, more for apartments, although it wont affect me outside Croatia... The guy in Split "working" 😂😂😂

[@dt6822]

He works hard at having 3 naps a day

[@zagrepcanin82]

Exactly. Ivo Sanader and Andrej Plenkovic were/are also working...to steal as much as possibile and to desteoy the country. Dalmatians working...lol...they are more lazy than Montenegrins

[@edioscroatia7745]

@@dt6822 @tomislavbrlek6940 envy /ˈɛnvi/ noun a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck.

[@wellwh0]

Why don't you try than four months in year if that seems so easy to you. Rent out place on daily bases if it's easy money? I'll handle you a keys. With apartments or "per night" rent there is huge overhead cost. As well you have to be available 24/7 as well. It's not monthly rent. There is whole operation, linens, bookings, handling mad guests, handling extra requirements, cleaning (you can do that by yourself), handling taxes, bills and most important hospitality part and keeping up with heavy competition and part of profit always has to go to investments. For lavish life with apartments you need to have 10+ of them considering today tax policy and be fully booked for 4 months. As well who will eat extra tax on bnbs? Customers, like in any other business. Do you think prices will stay the same? Some people just can't comprehend principles of economics. I'm all for, for making bnbs equal to hotels, make them Ltds. But no hotels wouldn't lower a price and family owned bnb's would be more expensive in day for 30%.

[@TheStrossicro]

Fair or not fair, one must remember this a business which requires hard work to succeed. My mother works full time and still manages 4 apartments on a island, including cleaning booking and hosting. At the age of almost 60. She and my father are dedicated and have no gone on a vacation for 20 years. Their hard work has put two sons through uni in Zagreb and abroad; and accummulated enough extra capital for multiple realestates in Split and Zagreb. I understand your point that it might not be "fair" considering the same work and dedication gets you a fraction of this in Vukovar. One has to also consider that in another, agrarian time, the tables were turned; the average Dalmatian would have considered the average Slavonians blessed by lack of scarcity and a easy life compared to working the krs. Instead, the increased taxation of tourism HAS TO START WITH THE RESTAURATION BUSINESS. My absolute disgust is when I see restaurants open just during the season. The money accummulated by these people can build empires.

[@FDNRunningandMotivation-ws1hd]

No tax is fair ever and all are uncostitutional, people should be left alone, and not forced to pay anything, let alone the fact you never really own anything, the system is corrupt by design, so anarchism all the way, but until then, libertarianism may be a good choice to start with...cheers.

[@stevefrompolaca2403]

how about no tax, just find your way through life, which you will anyway. How about no government simply because it's an overpriced con.

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

Yea.. the administrative class has grown far too wide in all forms...

[@tomislavbrlek6940]

As someone that is all for low tax and an open market, no tax seems bad. We still need to pay somehow for schools, roads, firefighters, police, etc..

[@stevefrompolaca2403]

if you pay what is required the difference is probably minimum, no admistrative costs, and in my experience the state does a bad job of it, how did we survive as a species for million years or so? local anarchist co operatives might be worth a go, after all thats how we got here to begin with ;) @@tomislavbrlek6940

[@stevefrompolaca2403]

the political class is akin to the ecclesiastical class, they act as an intermediary between you and reality, it' an old trick... you want to know god just walik this way...fuk em Im better off without the parasitical class @@tomislavbrlek6940

[@cosmozh]

OMG Paul, you are in right. You should looking about tax for people ho comes to live in Croatia with a SWISS pension in the pocket. They bandits rob them. 🙈🙈👎👎

[@edioscroatia7745]

Or brits who buy properties in croatia.

[@James-tz5kh]

Croatia does not get business at all , no matter how much you tell them they just do not get business at all, what do I know after 30 years. Vote with your feet like many others have.

[@James-tz5kh]

They worked for the pension so Croatia should learn from other smart countries how to develop future business and stop making everything we do with officialdom so difficult

[@James-tz5kh]

They worked for the pension so Croatia should leave them alone and learn from their experience how people should be rewarded rather than the measly sums of pensions Croatians get after a lifetime's work. That's why there is mass migration when will they get it

[@edioscroatia7745]

@@James-tz5kh Tax them for having property in Croatia. Swiss are not even EU citizens. If they can't buy properties, more Croatians can buy them instead. Crisis avoided; more Croatians can now charge family apartments to rich Swiss guests.Also ban rest of eu citizens from having option to rent apartments. Only croatians can do it from now on and they pay higher taxes. Win-win

[@pirata2120]

I have deleted my previous comment (before I saw that you replied to it) because I have to think more about it. Maybe I sounded too defensive (or passive aggressive?). In the end there is no simple answer to this problem, and as history is proof, humanity is struggling about such questions for a long time. Sorry if I came across abrasive.. for 50+ year old Croats, we also carry memory about the good and the bad Croat interpretation of communism, which differs from other countries experiences. We might feel more the "collective" (which might be due to our culture that may also explain our past affinity or experimental adaption for our version of communism) and less of the modern jealousy or victimhood mentality. It's difficult to explain, but I do care about the people in Slavonia and Zagorje, and of course I also want them to get a fair share of opportunity for development and profit. It's not an easy task to achieve more equality, but I wondered if taxation is the right or only way to achieve that. I appreciate your inspiration and subscribed to your channel. Pirat stranded in Germania.

[@PaulBradbury]

Not passive aggressive, more aggressive aggressive. It's ok, I am used to being responsible for Bleiburg, even though it happened 25 years before my birth, as well as not having the right to an opinion here, despite living here and employing locals for over 20 years. All good. Have a nice evening.

[@pirata2120]

@@PaulBradbury Reminds me of my years in London when employees greeted me with Heil Hitler and a stiff arm, because they thought I am German. All good like you said, I am sure you're just as thick skinned and lack diplomatic skills, just like me.. or maybe you can't handle critique.

[@Meme70163]

Property tax is long overdue in Croatia.

[@wellwh0]

Okay be ready to pay more for renting

[@soksb3766]

Ja bih oporezovao Engleze koji ne žele naučiti Hrvatski.

[@PaulBradbury]

I ja bih. hrvatski je svjetski jezik kojim govore samo najpametniji ljudi. Nisam toliko pametan, trudim se

[@soksb3766]

​@@PaulBradbury Svi znamo da je Hrvatski jezik neusporediv sa Engleskim, kako po rasprostranjenosti tako i po utjecaju na oblikovanje naše civilizacije. No, opet, nekako je ponižavajuće, naročito s obzirom na britansku kolonijalnu povijest, u svojoj zemlji govoriti engleski sa nekim tko je odlučio ovdje živjeti. Ispada da ti je super naša priroda, klima, hrana, opuštenost ... ali jezik ne, a jezik je osnova svake kulture (pa i nekulture).

[@e.b.4379]

Oh, get off your high horse! Budite zahvalni što stranci uopće žele doći u Hrvatsku!

[@soksb3766]

@@e.b.4379 Da im se i naguzim?

[@croat1455]

Trebalo bi oporezivati glupe komentare. Ne brini nije tvoj jedini, a državna blagajna bi se napunila.

[@osmaks1518]

Solution: don't live in Vukovar.

[@PaulBradbury]

So everyone should leave Vukovar?

[@osmaks1518]

@@PaulBradbury sounds like a plan!