CROSS: George Wagner IV on Night of Rhoden Murders

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[@marymary20]

I imagine George would be living a different happy life had he not been born into the Angela Wagner family.

[@tuckerc4193]

Totally! Or if he could have broken free from that toxic family/area.

[@gloriamcfadden3413]

No he would be as HE IS a COLD-BLOODED MURDERER what's IN you,, is IN you

[@maiamckinney4180]

He has a little more humanity in him. That makes sense. The parents were extremely toxic, but it probably was a process to get that dysfunctional. He had the “better side” of them and Jake got full toxicity, given he is younger.

[@Tuck_all_day]

But then George would just be someone else.

[@4rsalways]

He can remember in great detail absolutely everything that will save his ass but conveniently forgets everything that makes him look like the liar he is.

[@Aysegul_OAmusic]

The only parts he said he is not sure is the exact sentences that he was told he said years ago during his previous testimony. He said he might have said but "I don't remember and if it is written like that on the document, it means I said that but I don't remember". Did we all watch the same testimony or you guys are just talking without watching it properly? Sure I am not defending him and don't have a clue about these kind of families but your comment seems wrong. And why didn't we see the mom's and brother's testimonies? That looks like protecting the state which made deals with 2 liars. But still, we know that both mom and the brother said this guy did not kill anyone. This guy can be given a chance maybe under a watch but so far, it does not seem fair to say that he is guilty. Let's see.

[@KamboCan629]

I believe him innocent. He is guilty by association. anyone who knew this man in the past will tell you he was nothing like his family. and certainly, he would stand up against wrongdoing from not only them but also from friends and neighbors.

[@rleecoates1977]

He knew it was going to happen and didn't stop it. How can anybody feel sorry for him. He could of stopped it!! No excuse. They All Should be locked up for Life imo. He's just as guilty as the rest of his family.

[@10sherra]

I don't feel sorry for him but I think he should get a lighter sentence than that evil bother that calls herself a mother and grandmother who along with Jake was head planners. George is their scapegoat from death row.

[@rleecoates1977]

He new it was going to happen. He helped with the planning. Imo he deserves to be locked up for Life!! He's just as guilty. He knew the whole time. I'll say again, he had the power to stop it!! Being scared of mommy is no excuse. If for some miracle he was to serve little time and get out, he better change his name and run far away cause he'll have the hounds of hell on his trail!!!

[@BH-1964]

He gave money to Billy for the murder truck! He was just as big a part in this as all! He's a liar! He clearly said Jake tells the truth and that's why they're always caught

[@Allynavarro2435]

If he even thought about saying thing I think he knew better than to back down last minute or say something though….. Angela , well, most of them were so paranoid after I bet

[@carrielynch177]

And what kind of mother just leads her kids to a lifetime in prison? It is so very sad.

[@deniseleitz7199]

If this guy gets off I’m sure there’s one Roaden or Gilley left to get the justice for the family. They won’t wait until he’s a sleep in his bed, it will most likely take place on the steps of the court house.

[@carolinachartier]

Best comment I’ve heard yet

[@VoiceForTheSilenced]

That would be a true vigilante. Not the coward way the worthless Wagner’s did it.

[@cherylyates519]

If he loved his son he would have went to the law and told them what was about to go down, and he didnt. I would have saved myself and my son from being in this mess. I think a lot of Jake's problem wasn't over the little girl, it was because he couldn't have Hannah.

[@marysmith3761]

I don’t understand how he could live with them & not know that they did those killings.

[@4Runneradventures]

He's nothing but a proven LIAR

[@lovepet4565]

He is lying. Knew all about it, & perhaps didn't want to go along with the killing, but did

[@tuckerc4193]

Some living in a toxic environment block out ALOT. Reason I suspect he loved hunting so much… quiet & peaceful.

[@lovepet4565]

@@tuckerc4193 its not a big jump for some people to go from killing animals for sport to killing humans

[@BH-1964]

Yeah he's either been brainwashed (which clearly wouldn't be hard to do) or he's lying! The moron cannot figure out if he didn't want Angela living there in his and Jake's home all he had to do is move her out! All problems solved! The way she treated Jake and George's ex'es the women the boys actually loved! It was horrendous! She should have been moved out long ago! George said something that really needs to be looked into! He sited the avoidance of inheritance tax being the reason behind the boys names on the Flying W and Bethel hill and Peterson hill so... Have the State of Ohio looked into the Flying W and whether they are infact partial owners? I could see the State of Ohio requiring any properties liquefied into cash! The bill for the attorneys is going to be tremendous! They had money at their beckoning call!

[@deborahfitzsimmons6328]

I come from a family that is extremely dis functional and tryed meny times to disconnect from them but it’s not as cut and dry as people would like to think

[@catsberry4858]

I’m so sorry. Get out now while u can, from your toxic fam. Before they drag you into something like this 😢❤ love to you. Hope u got out!

[@elliebellie7816]

I'm amazed the wife in Alaska was able to get out with her life intact.

[@jennyray1476]

I was in a toxic relationship that turned my family against me , just walk away and don't look back, it's hard at first but worth it in the end , to find a few genuine people to have in your life makes it easier to live a happy healthy life

[@uneedasims1266]

He lied.

[@4rsalways]

He conveniently forgets everything that might make him look bad 😂

[@deangiusti1884]

Prosecution is terrible. This is the best they have in Pike County?

[@lindafurr2404]

The prosecutor is not very good at her job. She’s letting him control his testimony. Besides there is no forensic evidence of him being at any of the houses where the murders occurred. I think he’s guilty of some of the murders but not all of them because that is one sick Ma Barker family. They were all involved but the prosecutor is not proving his guilt.

[@Robin-xt7yo]

Sick Ma Barker family is an apt description!

[@bethlee7260]

His foot prints at the crime scene have been identified. His mother testified that he went with Jake and his father. Jake also testified that George was present.

[@tuckerc4193]

No shoe print PROVEN to be his. No evidence he was there. I think the mom , Jake & dad did it. Mom drove and men killed.

[@bethlee7260]

Didn't one investigator, the footprint specialist, identify a left shoe print as George's. AND I'm pretty sure George said to Angela, in a recorded phone call played in court, that one of the footprints was his....

[@nicolewilliams5593]

I think he is lying

[@josvandersteen3564]

To understand how this family functioned, just watch the extremely detailed and credible testimony of Jake Wagner's ex-wife. It is a treasure trove of inside information. They decided everything together and George played a major part. Him trying to wriggle out of culpability for the murders is embarrassing to watch.

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

Why is it credible?

[@davidkleinedler6941]

You half life , if u know the entire story, people also testified George was pushed into everything and didn’t kill no one his only crime , he didn’t come forward

[@davidkleinedler6941]

Which can be very very hard to do even if it’s a dirt bag family like this

[@cassiebennet4262]

That was extremely compelling testimony. One of the best star witnesses I've ever seen.

[@Jlo304]

He really thinks he is so smart. He really thought he was going to walk. 😂😂😂😂

[@davidw5731]

Anchors watching the case on TV did not get to see the 2 most important witnesses for Prosecution in the case. We really are not in the right position to understand all of the evidence. There is plenty for conviction, but we will see what jurors tell us. I don't believe for one moment that he could have been living with these family members and doing everything with them, but never had any idea they did this crime. And those statements on the tapes?

[@tuckerc4193]

Partially agree. However, no physical evidence ties him to any of the scenes; if any guilt would be accessory def not death or life. I think it was the Jake & the mother. I think the mother drove and the kid shot.

[@davidw5731]

@@tuckerc4193 There really was zero physical evidence to tie any of them to the crime scenes, other than the mother's purchase of the men's shoes that were used. This was a family of criminals, and they spent a whole bunch of time thinking how to do the crime without being detected. They were smart enough to take a bunch of steps to avoid leaving any traces of themselves behind. We heard from 5 witnesses who testified about the extremely close family dynamics from inside the family, including 2 ex-wives, and all of them are in agreement about how the family did everything together, except for George.

[@heathercreighton9613]

@@tuckerc4193 Angela didn't leave the house that night though.

[@carolinachartier]

Listening to this a second time I really see how she got him to admit so many things with him thinking he’s getting away with his lies.

[@sandife4nandes365]

Canepa did great on cross. Convenient how everyone else that testified was " mistaken" when it is in conflict with George's testimony.

[@BH-1964]

"we" paid off "our" debts with it... and he keeps saying technically it's his mom and dads house... uh no George... technically it's in jake and your name so technically it's Jake and your house ..if he was home at 10 ish and watching a ferry movie he should have heard Billy's phone ring...

[@elliebellie7816]

How can there be so much hate and evil in one family? It seems there was no love or nurturing anywhere...so sad.

[@cm1642]

In the end it was that habit of hanging onto receipts that caught them all.

[@uneedasims1266]

Guilty. This lawyer sucks. She treating him like a lil boy.

[@nixwestlake9196]

Such a liar. OMG

[@sheilajohnson6478]

You can tell he’s protecting his wicked, evil mother.

[@LadyAnnaMarie]

I don't see that he's protecting his mom at all...

[@liesavillandre3481]

Even if he said he did not want to be involved, he should have gone to the the authorities anyway. He is an accessory to the murders because he knew it was a plan.

[@Brian-no6xn]

DON'T PICK UP THE SOAP BUDDY, YOU WILL BE WALKING LIKE A COWBOY LOL

[@lisachristine2098]

He is the only one of his family members to allow video of his testimony.

[@ginnysmith8624]

Arrogant narcissist who thought he was going to get away with it and could fool not only 12 jurors but the entire population. He was a terrible person who came from a terrible human being. He should have cut those mommy strings and he wouldn't be in jail! Probably.

[@carmenrenee5930]

I come from a NPD (Narcisistic Family System) However I have never seen a Psycho family system EVER in my life. You got Gacy, Bundi, Hell even Michael Myers but this shyt is Unfathomable to group a whole family to Merk

[@jennifermiller7139]

He’s slick.

[@exoticprairie]

Lady.....Even fine up standing citizens do the same thing to avoid an inheritance tax.

[@samanthab1923]

Who are they saying George shot?

[@Jewel5912]

What a family! Disgraceful! And it cost a whole other family their lives, just being involved with the Wagners. So sad…

[@davidw5731]

Boy George didn't know anything about this crime? Mom never mentioned it during their nightly sessions of her rubbing his feet and asking him about his day? Give me a break! Jury will not fall for this nonsense, they heard from all the witnesses. You couldn't find 10 moms in this country who would falsely implicate their own child in such a crime, and she is not one of them.

[@kess1440]

prosecution sloppy trying to tie the address issue to some kind of criminal behavior. there are gun sellers who advise stuff like that (right or wrong it happens)...unfortunately haven't seen alot of the trial, but still scratching my head to what evidence is there besides the words of his brother and mother

[@tuckerc4193]

I’ve watched it fully- no physical evidence at all. Why don’t they ask him his shoe size and show the impression results they had him do. It’s sloppy. This is a death case.

[@BH-1964]

The sellers actually do advise to put down whatever is on your driver's license! If you don't federal will not approve the gun sale! What gun sellers should be doing is encouraging anyone planning to make a purchase at a gun show should make sure that their drivers license info is current and up to date! Personally I thought ATF was at the gun shows watching for thus kind of thing!

[@catsberry4858]

Uh, his shoe print was found at the crime scene, duh. He got 8 life sentences + 121 years.

[@Alma2525]

Whoever this guy is that's on the stand.... he's guilty. Can't explain it but the minute I turned my tv on I got a bad vibe from this guy

[@deborahfitzsimmons6328]

I kind of think that those 2 pair of shoes that were bought were bought for Jake and billy that just seems to make sense to me and is possible. I have my doubts here with regards to George wearing them

[@trishylala]

I’m not sure any of his testimony matters if we haven’t seen his brother and mom testify to putting him at the scene with a gun in his hand right there involved in it all It’s hard to know since people watching online don’t have access to all the testimony in the case.

[@tuckerc4193]

The prosecution really can’t put him at the scene. No evidence. Her snarky Ness isn’t playing well at all!

[@diogenes5654]

He definitely comes from a family of con artists. Most of us would be nervous and anxious but he is cool and under control. Just skipped ahead and saw him found guilty - the jury was not fooled.

[@kayehodges6689]

Guilty

[@gmimi2]

The trial isn't over 🙄.

[@TheGameHHH2000]

He frustrated her so during this cross. She’s out of her element. He did very well

[@stacyhenry5578]

Prosecutor making a big deal about the address. It may have been a big deal if it was a completely fictitious address where he had never lived or had no connection to but considering it was his previous address it's really not that big of a deal and a lot of places will tell you to list what is on the address on your driver's license because it's less paperwork for everyone prosecutor failed big time in this prosecution

[@mikehunt7888]

I don't care what I told the courts, I would have lied my ass off on the stand for my brother.

[@tootsiequilt]

If you love your brother, wouldn't you have done your best to talk your brother out of committing murder? Make him understand the full ramifications of murdering people? Or would you let him do what he wanted, then lie in Court for him? One scenario is love, the other isn't.

[@patriciafaulkner3771]

You see his eye, something is up.

[@Suzannecor]

Who has custody of his son?

[@trudypope2113]

The boy's mother who is married and has 2 daughters.

[@kmartgoth8313]

He’s lying but I’m still low key rooting for him in all this

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Prosecutor blew it right from opening statement !

[@gmimi2]

Is she the one that rambled on and kept saying "ummm" every two seconds? I had to stop watching, it was a horrendous opening statement. How embarrassing.

[@juniorjohnson5961]

@@gmimi2 yep same lady she didn't do much better through the whole trial , the only thing they have is his mother & Brother testimony against him which is I think will standup

[@gmimi2]

@@juniorjohnson5961 You think they have enough to convict him though? I feel like this may be a mistrial but I'll admit, I haven't watched every minute of this trial. I'm just going based on what I've seen and heard. This trial has been a long one, I didn't have it in me to watch every hour lol I also stopped to watch the Brooks trial.

[@lovepet4565]

It IS rural OHIO, soooo what do you expect?😊

[@juniorjohnson5961]

@@gmimi2 I've watched this case since the beginning it's gonna be hard to get around Jake & Angela testimony but believe there might be reasonable doubt. Could be a hung jury !

[@Falcon2Dragon]

oh my goodness, beating around the bush to beat the dead horse of remembering.....

[@cburney5337]

Sick

[@Sookielein]

I think he is guilty.Just by the dynamics this family works he at least must have known. However I think he walks free for reasonable doubt or a hung jury. Having him testify was a good choice , he 's a likable witness.

[@ginnysmith8624]

I think he comes off as a narcissist jackass and shouldn't have testified. He can't remember any damn thing when it's convenient for him!! Lawyer trick, don't buy it and neither did the jury!!!

[@Brian-no6xn]

OUCH OUCH MY A HURTS HERE THEY ARE COMING FOR MORE. LOLLOL

[@peggychamberlain9515]

George is disturbed!!

[@dawngasque5272]

Mr Wagner is correct when purchasing a gun from a licensed dealer if your ID or driver's license does not match where you currently reside you must put the paperwork in where you have on your driver's license he is 100% accurate on that and then afterwards when you renew your driver's license or ID you need to contact the bureau of firearms and let them know that you have an updated address

[@4rsalways]

Having a lot of trouble with eye contact Georgie Pooh!

[@lovepet4565]

The Wagners are a good example of why assault weapons should be banned again.

[@BH-1964]

I don't recall assault weapons being banned... when was this?

[@JeremyMead-e6c]

Fredericka was the true master mind behind this

[@saturnosiris1221]

Listen I'm just chirping into the void I'm but a kernel unpopped at bags bottom & fully aware my opinion does not matter I just had to get it off my chest it was frustrating me because I haven't even gotten past this part but her trying to make a big deal out of his current address being different than the one he filled out on the form to buy weapons is prime example of someone who's obviously out of touch with what she's talking about because everyone who's ever bought a weapon knows that goes on every day probably with about 80% of people who buy weapons rather they live at the address on their license or not they put down the one on their license because everyone knows there will be a hassle otherwise and yes about 9 out of 10 times the folks who are selling you the weapons will say to you if you legitimately ask them they will tell you to not put your current address if it's different from the one on your license so she failed at proving he is some kind of dishonest person at least with that bit of so-called evidence that just wasted 10 minutes and came off looking really stupid and incompetent being a district attorney and that unaware of how weapon sales take place it would not surprise me to find out she is some big advocate for gun control of course I'm whining about all of this with the fact that eight people were murdered never being lost from my mind and brother here I think knew about everything but no I think the person that was with Jake was his dad I have no doubts that this guy is no danger to society and that unfortunately for him he had a gang of psychos for a f****** family I would be completely content with this kid getting less than 10 years total unfortunately for him he'll probably get life w/o parole which is BS being that Mama and the murdering f****** psycho both took plea deals so obviously they're going to say whatever they're told to say by the district attorney at this point that freaking mother I think probably put it in her psycho son's head to do this to begin with she should be getting the death penalty if anybody should aside from the psycho who after murdering 8 people will spend 50 plus years soaking up tax dollars since he took a plea deal

[@5830danny]

Why do I feel bad for this guy?

[@suzieq8379]

I do to I think he got pulled into it

[@steveb9525]

Cheap Grandma making a list of junk in the house in order to comitt insurance fraud before they burn it down: 1. Candlestick bought at flee market $40 2. Used George Foreman Grill $50 3. 8 pairs of XXXL overalls for my hillbilly family $1600

[@reesecchandler2797]

So weird but this reminds me of Damian Echols on the stand.. maybe its the voice, IDK 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@wilmbch]

Seems very believable

[@benjbutton]

His memory is very selective isn't it?

[@gloriaschultz4111]

Attorney’s hair always looks stringy, never looks good.

[@gmimi2]

Then that must mean she's a horrible prosecutor! How dare her! 🙄

[@melissa-Sabatino-Threet]

@@gmimi2 no, she’s a horrible prosecutor all on her own, irrelevant of her stringy hair!

[@gmimi2]

@@melissa-Sabatino-Threet lol you made me giggle.

[@carrielynch177]

His phone calls he was just too angry all the time talking to jake taking up for his mother. He’s guilty. He shoulda turned them all in and got immunity if not.

[@courtneyhunter6307]

Listening to this and reading the information about each person on the side, if the times are correct the Wagners were on their property for hours.

[@donnawinchester6041]

Am I the only one seeing signs of aspergers in George? Jake seemed odd to me as well. Thinking both these kids were on the spectrum and easily controlled and manipulated by their control freak of a mother.

[@JR-rc1cg]

most guilty people don't take the stand. he may be innocent

[@Kid_Kootenay]

This guy is his own worst enemy, his answers on the stand he is giving he is evasive on details theres no reason to be evasive on. its like hes wearing a nametag hello my name is liar

[@tkc7188]

He seems a little slow I kind of believe him. He shouldve taken a deal

[@annak8755]

Can I take playing dump for 200.

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Did they offer deal ?

[@CDG1228]

@@annak8755 He's not slow. With every answer, he's clearly blaming EVERYONE ELSE but himself. I don't think he shot anyone, but he definitely helped plan, carry out, and cover up the murders (conspiracy and accessory to murder). He probably won't get life, but he better get at least as much as the mother. And 30 years is too lenient for her as well but oftentimes those kinds of deals are the price necessary to get convictions for all involved.

[@annak8755]

@@CDG1228 exactly why I wrote that he was playing dumb. Nothing is his fault, he remembers nothing, the guns disappeared by themselves and the fraud was someone else's fault.

[@CDG1228]

@@annak8755 My reply was for tkc...my bad.

[@annieann6347]

I guess I'm not the only one who feels sorry for him anyway I believe him.

[@suzieq8379]

no I do too

[@steveb9525]

They make the Gambinos look like fine church folk! Fredo I know it was you. Chris Cuomo you Fredo

[@kathyboyce3277]

What a snotty prosecutor !!!! Unreal

[@rageagainstthemachine7434]

JUSTICE WILL NEVER BE SERVED UNTIL JESUS CHRIST ARRIVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Give me a break it's a fairy tale 👿

[@marymary20]

😂😂😂 Welp, no need for a trial,then!

[@elizacourtney7986]

@@juniorjohnson5961 a poorly written fairy tale.

[@donnabatchelor4260]

Ain't Amurikkka great? You can get an AK at WALMART YEEEHAAAA! Wow. Cocky son of a b.... he is. I love that they are turning on each other. Perfect.

[@CaliforniaForever]

Are you actually a dog?

[@donnabatchelor4260]

Seriously? Wow.

[@Robin-xt7yo]

A sick and disgusting Ma Barker family.

[@gmimi2]

Yep it's great here in America we have the right to bear arms! Support the 2A!

[@donnabatchelor4260]

Explain that to the little kids who weren't shot but have literally no family.

[@a.b.d.3974]

Maybe I'm off but I think he's innocent. Two bad you can't go back and charge the parents for child abuse and teaching them how to steal what horrible people they are.

[@davidw5731]

How come defense could not produce a single witness other than George who could confirm that he had problems with his family around anything they were doing? His problem with mom and brother is that they snitched on him. Other witnesses, Jake's second wife and George's ex both stated that he was thicker than thieves with the family. No separation, even when it came to George's sex life. He was in on all of it and ready to help if he was needed.

[@LadyAnnaMarie]

I don't think he's guilty either...just doesn't feel like it.

[@dianabilbrough6700]

I can stand the lady prosecutor...she annoying. Drawing at every straw she can. Please just tie him into the murders and stop trying to get him on wrong addresses

[@davidw5731]

These criminals spent a bunch of time going over this crime as a family and taking steps to conceal everything they were doing. Of course there is very little forensic evidence when you look at the lengths they went to to hide the evidence. His own Mom and brother tied him into the murders. That is good enough for me.

[@teofeo333]

This is some Appalachian hillbilly stuff right here. Never get out of the boat.

[@melissa-Sabatino-Threet]

I think he is innocent!

[@poopoo1403]

Prosecutor is so rude and it’s working in his favor forsure