What is the Purpose of Your Life?

[@robertlavrakas7442]

I came from God, l'm here for God and when I die I'll go back to God

[@OOMiguelGonzalez]

Amen!🙏😁

[@sej_9118]

Then what?

[@TheF4c3m4n]

@@sej_9118 To live in True Peace, Love, and Everlasting Life Eternally with God, Jesus, and all my Brothers and Sisters!

[@paulrichards6894]

You will be worm food or burned in a crematorium is most likely....and sadly for you that's the end.....just like all other living things.....sorry to be the bearer of some rather bad news

[@heavnxbound]

@@sej_9118 Going back to God means a whole lot more than you think when reading that. Heaven is more vast and amazing than you could ever imagine (1 Corinthians 2:9). Life doesn’t end at physical death.

[@celticwarrior1365]

Man was created to glorify God and enjoy him forever!

[@nolandono7169]

Yes

[@dwhite8005]

@Jubei Yang Man only loves himself so your statement is ridiculous.

[@dwhite8005]

@Jubei Yang But the Bible has been proven historically, scientifically, archeologically, and has numerous prophecies that came to pass irrefutably. Not to mention the fact it was written with over 40 authors who never contradicted each other over the course of centuries. God created man, to think anything else is pure stupidity.

[@maow9240]

@Jubei Yang man created evolution because they don't want God

[@maow9240]

@Jubei Yang we haven't evolved and God appeared 2000 years ago and they nailed Him to a cross

[@ricklozada5971]

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. -Ecclesiastes 12:13

[@RasMajnouni]

B"H,Exactly what I would have quoted. Thank You and Blessings from Israel

[@frame3139]

Who can keep his commandments?

[@oilimelavobnas5533]

@@frame3139 No body can, but shouldn't sin on purpose, just because we can't keep God's commandments. God bless buddy.

[@frame3139]

@@oilimelavobnas5533 ummm isn’t ANY sin we commit done willfully, I mean we all do it at times. Jesus + obedience = spiritual death. Jesus plus nothing equals eternal life

[@thevinnyverse5402]

@@frame3139 doesn’t make any sense

[@reachvictoria3386]

Yes, there is a chapter that explains the purpose of your life. Ecclesiastes 12 Having heard everything, I have reached this conclusion: Fear God and keep his commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.

[@kofibonsu8466]

Same conclusion I’ve reached, God.

[@reachvictoria3386]

@@kofibonsu8466 amen

[@danmarley2886]

Ditto!

[@marcusmuse4787]

I was made to worship the lord and to be faithful and to love the lord with all my heart, also my neighbors and myself.

[@2mexpesos]

2023 and I asked myself that question.. what is my purpose? i'm glad this video came up. ❤

[@MattHalpain]

8:20 "the law teaches us we need a savior because we can't live up to it"-Turek

[@finaldestination5847]

The purpose of life is to receive the Love of God and to share it with all people !!

[@winklelaltlanchhunga4313]

I know that I am the happiest and lead a life, fullness of joy when I'm with God

[@kimberleerivera4135]

Glory To GOD!!! Thank you for Sharing! I did not realize this! I am sure there are many other Christian's who don't!

[@andydany3260]

This is exactly why God is the Supreme Center of all

[@jonathanberglund3330]

Thank you brother for your work in the Lord love you, God bless 🙏🙏

[@acortes7771]

This video should have billions of views! The Truth Shall set us Free!

[@dapeace316]

I know Dr. Frank isn't called a preacher, but this man is PREACHING!!! Eish!!

[@MichaelMMiddleton098]

I like how YWAM states it. “To know God and to make Him known...”

[@wildmangrove3096]

"Whom I have created for my glory" (Isaiah 43:7) we are made for the Glory if God, that is our purpose

[@grahck4391]

"Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the chief duty of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created

[@96tolife]

To get to know my God through faith in Jesus Christ and share all that I have in Him with the world.

[@catherinequake2621]

What is the purpose of life? Knowning God. If you know God you know love because God is love. Love comes from God and to have a relationship with Him, to share the true Gospel to the lost sheep. Amen.

[@The-Carpenter]

Superb, powerful, thought-provoking.

[@annemorency3317]

I agree! Well stated Dr. Turek. Created a few clips and will share. Thank you

[@deeva57]

Man was created to be a blessing/ miracle to others (God's tools to show His Love to us). We're still having negative situations such as war; hunger; poverty; etc around us, it's not because God isn't fair but looked from God's perspective, they are not bigger than our Mighty God...cause we're spread/ placed everywhere in this world by Him with different talents and uniqueness to be such a helper/ miracle/ light to others in their negative situations. God loves us! 🙏

[@AmericanPyrate]

Interesting point of view. Doesn't Jesus give us the meaning and purpose of life in his two simple commandments? 1. Come to love God with all your heart and soul and 2. Come to love others . Salvation comes easy, but discipleship cost everything.

[@benmetzger7040]

@Rolf Leseratz Your REALLY closed minded my friend.

[@benmetzger7040]

And prideful while your at it

[@charliechan6892]

@Rolf Leseratz lmao. They use heart as a figure of speech einstein, just like we do today. Professing themselves wise, they became fools.

[@charliechan6892]

@Rolf Leseratz so you can demonstrate they dont? Quit being a strawman

[@ceaser6998]

@Rolf Leseratz A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth. Proverbs:14:6

[@Brucelopez100]

Its time to stand up for Christ and be fruitful and put ourself into the siociety again=D

[@afterkaze]

***** “You accept the historical Jesus?” “Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.” -Albert Einstein, from an interview with the Saturday Evening Post

[@afterkaze]

Have you even read the New Testament yourself, analyzing the personality of this Jesus Christ?

[@mrgetrealpeople]

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

[@austin7037]

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[@davidaragon687]

Jesus Christ is Lord, he died for our sins was buried and resurrected

[@trug1799]

afterkaze cO0L thanx for sharing that!!😊

[@igotstoknow2]

A major part of the purpose of my life is to be in God's salvation plan because of my sin that contributed directly and indirectly to horrendous evil. Lifetime is a short subset of eternity. Don't let the unsaved move you away from God. Help the unsaved move towards God.

[@novoice1127]

I thank God for Frank!!!

[@alvarogomez4936]

Our purpose is to serve our Lord!

[@smoochypooh7700]

EXCELLENT! I hadn’t thought about it this way. I’m saving this!

[@luckyghost1835]

what a man turek is! He's a god send.

[@erichchristian8743]

Normally I don't comment on these posts but I will say this, philosophically, this has been a question I have struggled with for years. While I agree to some extent- particularly the context of glorifying God and serving him- There's more fulfillment I've found in the latter than in work and service. I'm still left with a feeling of temporary meaning, which isn't bad but is left in complete. It's left me with the thought that more of the deeper filling meaning is in worship and less in work.

[@isaacfernandes656]

The problem with Christians today is that they have missed the whole point, Jesus never came into this world to start a religion. Christianity is a way of life ,it's a life style. Jesus came to bring a government that Adam lost when he sinned, the kingdom of God. Christians are so focused on a religion "man made" that they lost the purpose of God.

[@droe2570]

All that we do is for God, and so all that we do is worship to God. Read Romans 14, where Paul discusses this. Also read Colossians 3:23, and 1 Peter 2. Work and service is worship of God. We magnify Him through all our deeds and words, no matter how small or large. Our acts show the greatness of God, because we are His creation, and what we do is a reflection of the power He gave us, to work, create, serve. See also Colossians 3:17 "Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father." We cannot separate worship from work. Our entire existence is about magnifying the Lord. I know this is an older comment, but I hope this can be of help.

[@memowilliam9889]

Erich Christian Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Being a living sacrifice is worship and the highest form.

[@jnaramusic]

For an old video this was well said. Thanks!

[@joesteele3159]

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13

[@semperfi3433]

I've always said the biblical meaning of life "is to fellowship" and share experiences. God created Adam for fellowship, experiences. He had the angles for worship. He created Eve for Adam as a helpmate, counterpart , to fellowship with. Share experiences. "How" we fellowship is glory to God.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

So it says in an ancient Hebrew book which supports slavery and opposes democracy.

[@pekbekmkek6310]

@@JamesRichardWiley as you did not read the Bible or put any own thought to it you do not understand what slavery was at this time, you lack understanding and context. you merely blindly repeat things that were already refuted and proven to be out of context or just retraded logic. do you know what demos means in greek? it means that what you obviously are, a slave. you are slave with no faith and which is to lazy to accept his God given free will. and you build your own cage of ignorance and arrogance.

[@BoutDatFitLife]

@@JamesRichardWiley the Bible does not support slavery

[@virgilmontana7]

11 years later and this even more true

[@mojomahojo8253]

To prepare ourselves to meet God.

[@ericscaillet2232]

That is deep. ...

[@RasMajnouni]

What? Where did your God go to???

[@davidlove2457]

Know God and make Him known.

[@davidbenner2289]

Glorify God and enjoy His Creation.

[@LucidVision138]

Mankind was created to have a relationship with God. God wanted people to love and to be loved. Imagine being an eternal being and being the only being in existence

[@JamesRichardWiley]

If god wanted love everywhere and he can have whatever he wants why don't we have that?

[@yoshi9706]

James Richard Wiley fr

[@llerej.]

James Richard Wiley Is it possible for true “love” to exist if someone is being forced to “love”?

[@yoshi9706]

iAm Llerej he’s basically forcing us, if we do not love him were going to hell for eternity and you know that

[@shantellek2443]

@@JamesRichardWiley free will :)

[@mmark292tbib2]

I do really appreciate that you keep an open forum for questions..I am an atheist.

[@jackjones3657]

The purpose of life is to know God and to make Him known. What an idea to think omnipotent, omniscient God desires to impart Himself to us. His very Spirit actually resides within the Christian so that we may have the ability to do what is pleasing to Him, beyond ourselves.

[@rocketscientisttoo]

Always be a witness for Christ, if necessary use words.

[@speculesgorgoth4055]

The purpose of life. We're only here to feel the pain. There can be no refinement without the fire. Once you believe the truth the war within begins it is ever present. Until the bitter end.

[@Timmy-jr4lm]

Jesus loves you.

[@TunefuIIy]

Why do atheists say Christians "sell" our ideas. What other reason would we be doing this other than a greater purpose? Do you neurotic people think we say gotcha after you accept Jesus into your hearts? You're all very unhappy people man. Y'all need Jesus!

[@belvedere261]

Mitchell Fuqua we all need Jesus like we need a thorn In our side.

[@maow9240]

@@belvedere261 what's wrong with Jesus?

[@belvedere261]

willie nothing now since I’m a Christian again.

[@maow9240]

@@belvedere261 are you sure?

[@belvedere261]

willie yes I go to the mount Shiloh apostolic church near me sorry Satan you tried and failed and will always do I belong to Jesus.

[@ukwelinauwazi5523]

Somo zuri sana hili.....ubarikiwe sana 🙏

[@edwardlongfellow5819]

The purpose of life-is the continuation of life!

[@beyondinfinity7877]

The purpose is to love God

[@nolandono7169]

Worship him an enjoy him his present

[@TheTruthUnchained]

Here from the future 2021... Oh boy! Did we really give it up... I don't think we can get it back. Keep trying... God Bless you all!

[@Derek_Baumgartner]

Great video: thank you for this!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The purpose of my life is wake up at 4AM, do an hour of exercise and go for a walk. Then I eat breakfast and start my day making house calls fixing appliances. At noon I eat lunch and go back to work until 5pm,. Then I eat dinner and watch You Tube Videos like this one and make constructive comments. From 8 pm to 9:15 I watch "Aussie Gold" (gold prospecting in Australia). Then I get ready for bed while listening to Atheist arguments against faith. At 9:30 it's lights out and I'm asleep in five minutes. Any questions?

[@bobpolo2964]

What's your thoughts on death?

[@RasMajnouni]

"How's the wife,how's the kids?"

[@cwdor]

The universe is here to provide a dwelling place for you..., you are here to be a dwelling place for Jahovah.

[@EmperorHero1]

Video: Created 10 years ago Comments: Created 1 year ago.

[@kimalonzo2145]

Before i looked at the date, i thought this was a recent video!

[@nickduggan3084]

Andrew Klavan says the exact same thing. Great message

[@kl-vh5pu]

I believe also that love is the answer.

[@fastjoecorrigan7426]

That was a good 1!

[@aubreyleonae4108]

Your purpose is quite evident.

[@cunticusmaximus9048]

I think it's interesting that he said christians were the ones to abolish slavery, when actually the Bible was used as justification for owning slaves.

[@EndTimesHarvest]

The meaning of life is found within the Lord's Prayer. Quite simply, it is to do the will of God by making the earth into a paradise by making it more and more beautiful, and thus more wonderful for everyone to live in. We are to turn our world into Heaven, chiefly by establishing the will of God upon the world.

[@the_alchemy_method]

This earth will all pass away and the new heaven and new earth shall be created...

[@Evro-EX]

Great job !!

[@mlauntube]

These are the words of a prophet.

[@muifat7341]

Jesus answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one goes to the Father except by me. John 14:6 GNT

[@dandjconsultants8965]

Q. 1. What is the chief end of man? A. Man’s chief end is to glorify God, [a] and to enjoy him for ever. [b] [a]. Ps. 86:9; Isa. 60:21; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 6:20; 10:31; Rev. 4:11 [b]. Ps. 16:5-11; 144:15; Isa. 12:2; Luke 2:10; Phil. 4:4; Rev. 21:3-4

[@NormSauceman]

Frank Turek. Can you suggest a couple or more study guides for the Bible? There are so many out there it is hard to pick the right one. I also want a study guide for the Bible on Apologetics. Could you please suggest some? Thanks

[@franklehane8843]

Hence Christliness Christianity in feel-good churches.

[@matts.6558]

Frank is a fantastic apologist, but not sure if he nailed this one. He has to change culture, yet the Bible constantly refers to separation from the world . I also look at scriptures like 2 Tim 2:4 No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him.

[@imprintstudioshillong8813]

Sir frank can i use these videos ? And share add music and all 😁

[@nolor8397]

all jobs are sacred ❤

[@tomalealso]

I understand what others have said and agree, its just that it is like describing a box with only two dimensions, Are we called to fear yes, are we called to make Him known, yes but the purpose of all of that is so that we would know him in a way that is far beyond what even Adam knew about God. The purpose of the cross is so that we would not just escape hell but that We would be related to the God of the Universe intimately . I can say I know about someone but not really know them. I can however say that I know my wife like no other. the is a huge difference between the two. Can we say the same about God, that we know Him more and more each day. that we enjoy the relationship we have with Him.

[@MaritsaElena]

Wow… who’s watching this 2022 😧

[@adrianmaderal6020]

Amen!

[@brodyb1985]

Great video great explanation of why our country is so screwed the way it is

[@a1productionllc]

In answering this question, and even mentioning "glorify God," I am surprised at Frank not going to Isaiah 43:7 "Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him." That says that we, called by His name (Christians and Jews, His chosen people) are created to glorify Him. That means our lives that we live in Him should be lived for His glory. While, in no way do I disagree with Frank, he should have included that point. He is right, we should be involved in politics, and we should be fighting for the faith (some like Frank is, others in other ways), and not just in private.

[@blostin]

"Our call is to reform the culture"

[@nolandono7169]

I came to Christ when this people show me love not teaching who cares about teaching i speak for my self but not teaching

[@tee4tx729]

1 Corinthians 10:31 - So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, DO IT ALL FOR THE GLORY OF GOD. That’s where the Bible says that.

[@jamesford5278]

Where does it say reform the culture in the bible? I though it said be not conformed to this world, be ye separate, that kinda stuff..

[@John14-6...]

Sometimes I read the comments and click right off because of the arguments. Its really bad when the comments are so hateful that you can't tell the difference between those calling themselves Christians and unbelievers. Christians: there are certain people you are not going to change thru arguing because their eyes are closed and only God can open them. We should pray for them when we realize they are not interested in the truth, rather than going back and forth arguing. We Christians are told not to throw our pearls to swine. So we myself included should think before we send that clever sounding comment and if it is for the Lord or to make ourselves look good

[@onestepaway3232]

Amen

[@Tracy-Inches]

Please look into who our fore fathers were. Truly were, many claim to be Christians, and many claimed to do good things in His name. Frank look into them please. God bless

[@sheriffbang8039]

We are all on trial. Are you worthy to inherit the kingdom of GOD? I’m not, never will be. It’s not about me but it’s all about him the LORD Jesus. In mans heart comes wickedness continually. Give GOD his due praise and glory, least any man boast it’s not by our works but by his in us for in Christ we can do all things that please GOD. Let your light shine so that people may know ye are children of the most high.

[@briansmith9670]

To know God Jesus says that is eternal life John 17

[@Aaron-hype]

Where is this entire teaching?

[@jeromeirwin9828]

The freedom we have in the U.S. skewers this question except in broad terms.

[@the_alchemy_method]

The law was at work even on the cross- it was a legal transaction between God and man. But we need to trust and believe in Jesus and his work on the cross

[@vashnanerada8757]

He said I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU BELIVE YOUR WORKING FOR GOD. WHAT TOOLS DO YOU HAVE ACSESS TO THAT I DON'T

[@collegepennsylvania837]

"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Jesus is the only way to eternal life in heaven. John 14:6 So don't trust in your own goodness to save you. Transfer your trust to the savior and you will receive God's free gift of eternal life. And with His help repent of your sins. However, we do not and cannot earn salvation by our good works, so Jesus paid the fine for our sins for us. God loves you so much and showed that through Jesus Christ! Romans 5:8 Hopefully this inspired and encouraged you today. God bless.

[@Shiraz321]

To worship God.

[@AnnoyingMoose]

I'm surprised that he didn't mention the classic bumper sticker: He who dies with the most toys...STILL DIES!

[@Matthew_Holton]

Personally I am an atheist and thus I feel free to give my life whatever meaning I choose. Aron Ra once said 'If you want your life to be meaningful, help others make their lives meaningful'. I think that is an excellent principle.

[@woodman6176]

Matt Holton why help others? To please yourself? I think you’ll find satisfying yourself is an empty Vessel

[@victoriacharlesworth7099]

Check out Living Waters Channel. You will find it very interesting 😊

[@canonguyful]

And a Christian principle from God!??

[@Matthew_Holton]

@@woodman6176 Because it satisfies my understanding of secular morality and the best way to live one's life. I don't need to believe in an ancient fairy tale to do that.

[@Matthew_Holton]

@@victoriacharlesworth7099 I am very familiar with the hilariously silly Living Waters.

[@nolandono7169]

Frank love.your teaching but love is the reason we are here not to teach people no man can come to me unless my father draw him you can teach all you like an talk to you blue in the face i use to think that way to save people thy don't want to be save the problem is not the head its the ❤

[@gradsssara]

I love how he acts like religion, mostly Christianity, has no influence in anything anymore. It's like he missed the fact most of our officials are outspoken Christians, how being anything BUT Christian in America can have major impacts on how people see you, especially atheist, and how America is supposed to be a secular country, but in the end, America is basically a theocracy, or will be.

[@grantbartley483]

I think the interesting question is, what is God's purpose in creating the universe? I think there is an answer to it, by the way.

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created

[@don26gr]

I don't beleive in God because of the Bible. I beleive in God because there is God. After i beleive God then i start reading and beleiving His word. There are many people who have beleived in God without reading the Bible in the first place. How do you think Paul changed the world??

[@besttunesbyventure3481]

THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE AWAKENING WE NEEDED AS BODY OF CHRIST!! which has been sleeping from years now ! I needed this and all other sleeping Christians waiting for Rapture common man, how do you know that you even good enough to be a part of rapture are you Enoch or Elijah ?(who had private rapture). They have spent their lives and walked with god for many many years(preaching the word of God prophesizing) today you repent and start thinking yourself to be a part of rapture in fact don't think of just escaping yourself through rapture(that's not love but selfishness) instead think this, what even one single life of Christian can do if we stayed in tribulation and preached and died as martyr! spend the rest of your years to do something for God and don't be selfish thinkin about rapture! So when you go in His presence He will tell you "well-done my good and faithful servant"

[@Ben-br1bu]

I understand it in the way that the purpose of life for humans is found in Genesis 1:26: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." And Jesus tells us what that means: "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But you shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that does serve." Luke 22:25-26 So, to paraphrase: God created man to be His image and rule over the earth. And a good ruler is serving that which he is ruling over in the best possible way. We are also supposed to be God's image, so we're supposed to be like God and not "sinning" (literally: "missing the target/goal" (of being perfect like God)). Jesus says: "Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48 And: "I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me." John 17:20-21

[@ramondjones8862]

Ben Fisher Jesus taught us that we are viewed by him as agricultural product, and even in the good Shepard parable we are but a flock of sheep, a crop to be harvested, the in come of a farmer is the crop that is sewn and raised for his income at harvest and taken to market and sold to the highest bidder. Every thing in creation is created for the purpose of the creator. We are his servants, we are created to serve the creator, and this is the purpose of our existence, to serve our creator, we are a crop to be harvested, for the benefit of the creator, our master is our ruler and we are his servants, it might just be that we servants of God can be sold at the market to the highest bidder for a gain in the service of our master, the creator and our God who created all of his creation for his pleasure and purpose. Revelation 4:11

[@Ben-br1bu]

@@ramondjones8862 Serving the creator and ruling the creation doesn't exclude one another. The parable of being crop to be harvested is an image to show the difference between the good seed and the bad seed. The good seed comes to God the bad seed is thrown into the fire. "And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bore twelve manner of fruit, and yielded its fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and HIS SERVANTS shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be on their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no lamp, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they SHALL REIGN FOREVER AND EVER." Revelation 22:1-5

[@lesterchua2677]

1Pe 4:11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies-in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. I am suprised Dr Turek does not know that the purpose of man is to glorify God.

[@PJ-ts7uz]

What do you mean the church left the secular? Didn't the secular push out the church?