CROSSMEN 1992 "The Rainforest"

[@coreygeiger81]

The whole snare line playing and backwards stepping while bobbing their heads is such a vibe

[@raymondfallon7429]

Dennis Delucia's concept. Matt Krempanski's brass charts, and Mark Thurston's percussion. Early 90s Crossmen were the best ever of that corps, in my opinion. And 92 was my favorite of those shows.

[@btothek4989]

Thanks, I marched with them in '92.

[@dmark2639]

Kirk Gay, was our pit instructor. I helped write the mallet parts in The 4 Elements and Rainforest as an age-out pit member. We worked those double stroke 16ths in the pit everyday on tour in warmups....good times.

[@patriciaadams3010]

I was there and as a Crossmen 1990 ageout, I bawled my eyes out with joy the whole time they were playing. My friends... 😭❤️💢

[@mmarzett]

The 90 show was one of my aboslute faves.

[@bobbypirtle4472]

This show is aging so well. Still gives me goosebumps!

[@RRConductor7]

The 90's in my humble opinion were the golden age of drum corps. Shows like this one, are proof. Folks can talk all the crap they want about G bugles but I for one think they sound way better, they were made for this environment, not a concert hall.

[@RyanBoots]

What breaks my heart is that kids today just don't know what it's like to have a horn line on G bugles melt your face off. As much as people rave about BD's horn line, they haven't had the same earth-shaking power since switching to B-flat.

[@johns3106]

Ryan Boots Amen!

[@chrishickie8600]

Had the pleasure of sitting inside the BD brass warmup circle in 96 at the show in Allentown and to this day that is one of the loudest hornlines I've ever heard.

[@veot.2869]

*True that, Amen, and right on!!!!* 🎺

[@brown55061]

@@chrishickie8600 Case in point, I took my dad to a show in 97 and when BD did their warmup facing the back field he said "uhh WHOA, they just won". The raw power from actual BUGLES was so much richer sounding. Harder to play, yes. But still sounded better to these ears.

[@definitelynotcainan3353]

Best 3 minutes of drum corps in the history of DCI.

[@atlfalconsbwoybenn3236]

I agree

[@ProudPapaJD]

Grooviest I’ll grant you!

[@goto7320]

I wouldn't go THAT far!

[@danielmcneal3030]

It wasn't even the best three minutes of that night...but it was really good, I agree. The golden age indeed.

[@stanleydogood8874]

@@danielmcneal3030 hahaha

[@hturt4]

I’m thinking Crossmen should’ve won percussion in 92. And I was in a corps that place ahead of them overall and in percussion. They fricken rocked!

[@smachendree]

Crossmen put out one of the great shows of the early '90s.It says so much that 25 years later this still sticks in your head in a good way: You just know this is that kind of show the members had a great time performing it and worth bragging about to their kids: "..This was one of the best times of my drum corps life, I'l never forget that year."

[@ChristopherT1]

It’s 2022 and Bones is still playing the Thurston lick!! ❤❤❤❤

[@alice0_0]

My dad arranged for the Crossmen (brass parts) from ‘87-94 and I’m really happy to see all the love for his work in the comments here! I don’t know if anyone will see this because this video was posted a while ago but.. I’m passing on all your kind words to him :-)

[@Jason-Rose]

JK Your father was a genius.

[@alice0_0]

@@Jason-Rose he says “thank you, that’s very nice!”

[@Jason-Rose]

JK Does he sell old drum corps arrangements? If so, can you share contact information?

[@alice0_0]

@@Jason-Rose you can contact him at [e-mail] !

[@jasonbuckingham4913]

Your dad is one of my favorite arrangers I had the chance to work with. He deserved better in 1994. It always bothered me the way YEA/Hopkins/Coates treated him.

[@dads07limo]

This is when Drum Corps ROCKED!!! BEST EVER!!! Huge crowds! Mass followings!! BRING IT BACK DCI!!!! (Can't play this loud enough!!!! - neighbors just love it!)

[@jawright1116]

+onlysome will know You mean when they actually played music?

[@tmouse1234]

James Wright okay I agree with the original comment. But these corps today are still making music and performing. Just because it’s not the same as the golden age of dci doesn’t mean it’s not music. That’s like saying Recreational Basketball isn’t basketball because it’s not the NBA.

[@tmouse1234]

@@StephenKershaw1 I can agree to an extent but Star Of Indiana 1991, Phantom Regiment 1996, Cavaliers 1992, Madison Scouts 1998, Have still yet to be matched by today’s drum corps. Don’t get me wrong, today’s corps are AMAZING. But to my knowledge there haven’t be any recent shows that can top the energy of the aforementioned shows.

[@Ronny423]

The percussive syncopation at 1:58 is mind blowing. Just an incredible arrangement.

[@jared0111]

bigger than drum corps. i marched with a few different corps in the mid-2000s and this part of this show is one of the moments from dci history that continues to subliminally reverberate across the activity even a decade later. so many special points in this, from the energy leading into the inevitable last chord, the tangible excitement leading into the drum break, that unforgettable moment when the sopranos boldly re-enter the fray along with that incredible snare & cymbal pattern....truly extraordinary. i play mellophone but these drum arrangements (mark thurston if i remember correctly?) are just something else. gotta love when corps can connect with the audience this potently even when not competing for a title...bluecoats autumn leaves in 1987 certainly comes to mind too, along with the velvet knights, colts 99, magic 02, boston 00, troopers breaking back into finals after decades, madison in the mid-90s and 2001, and plenty more. well warranting of the mid-show standing ovation to say the least.

[@Luckyjasondrum]

Nobody would dare dislike this video. Saw it live in 92 and I'm still bobbing my head.

[@dgillispie11]

Jason Parker I miss this so much, the excitement just isn’t there in today’s DCI 😟

[@danhoblify]

Bring this back DCI!!! You are losing what made you great...

[@irawatson3477]

Still the best .Bobbing my head for life

[@realitylime4896]

Arguably the best battery in corps history!

[@5un5hine73]

Mike Romigh cavaliers 2008 pretty dam good

[@wesleydecasere9832]

cadets 2013 is my personal favorite

[@MichaelMartinez11]

They took the biggest chances. Perhaps the Ballsiest battery in DCI history. 1997 blue devils battery is the G.O.A.T. and it's really not even close after that.

[@goto7320]

But it would be hard to WIN that argument...when you are grounded and have your head out of the clouds, dont forget, Tom Float, Ralph Hardimon 80s lines, and Cadets 1987,89,94...

[@tmouse1234]

Bro Star in 1993 made me shit myself because of how clean they were.

[@oldschooldrumcorps]

The snares were in a solid groove through the whole number.....you can tell they were feeling it!

[@chale1108]

1992 - such a fun year for DCI. Great shows.

[@abramquinn7726]

YES!

[@overratedgamer4835]

Both of my parents were in this, and then my sister and I did Puma in Marching Band! :)

[@Jason-Rose]

I deeply miss this style of drum corps. Unplugged and on G bugles... as God intended.

[@CyberShwartz]

I liked the Unplugged part but G bugles sound like ass.

[@suhdude9704]

Literally, just because they added electronics doesn't mean it's bad. When done right, it can make a show sound amazing. And if a Corps does it wrong, well then that further distinguishes the void between a bad corps that can't understand the blend of practical music with electronic versus one that can.

[@randyyeager3068]

Jason Rose AMEN!!!

[@BACcontrabass]

Probably because those who don’t understand the allure of G bugles never heard them live. A good hornline could just peel your face off - no joke, as in my ears would be ringing for the rest of the night. That’s what 1997 BD did to me after finals when they played the “Tommy” chords, and I loved it. Bb just lowered the bar so that a decent hornline could sound better quicker - G bugles really requires you to work the horn, and you were rewarded with this gorgeous lush tone and sonority thanks to all the voices being in the same key and overtones that sounded like a choir.

[@cireravilob]

The mic placement for the recordings did a real disservice to some amazing drum lines back in the day. They make this great Crossmen line sound really dirty.

[@renorailfanning5465]

That's why I can't listen to DCI during this time period. I don't know what happened but they seem to have fixed this issue recently. I was at 1993 DCI Finals in Jackson, Yikes! :), and Star was so clean but on the CD, they sound super thick. Some people say lines were dirty back then but I marched DCI '88-'90 and I know one thing for sure ; a note or short lick might be dirty at Finals but there is no way a whole phrase will be dirty that late into the year. The players know how to correct the mistakes extremely fast after playing together all summer.

[@terrywicks939]

I thought I was the only one that noticed that they sounded dirty and I know Crossmen don't do dirt at all!

[@renorailfanning5465]

Micah...Not sure. I do agree with the horrible sound during this era but it may have been in the types of microphones. phasing issues or, post-production.

[@TheBandMan]

@@renorailfanning5465 maybe its some weird EQ, compression or other processing on the mastering. Itb sounds like the line is not playing with any dynamics at all.

[@danielmcneal3030]

There was a massive reverb off the back wall in Camp Randall--it's audible here and I think it might be responsible for some of the dirtiness of the sound. Attempts to clean it up in production might be responsible for some of what @The Band Man is hearing, too.

[@sanderschat]

2020: still good!

[@dadmakesbadmovies]

One of my favorite shows. Ever. Loved the "one AND" emphasis.

[@dan.downing]

Bravo. Inspiration & music does a lot more than make the fans clap during the show. As a freshmen in High School, this performance was the video that forced me to switch from Clarinet to Snare in 1992. I never looked back, worked my butt off and captained my Drumline for the rest of my time in High School only to graduate and continue on wanting to share my love of this and started teaching.

[@richardmartin1432]

Saw this in person at Erie Pa-this has been playing in my head since then!!

[@mattkentosh8331]

That Thurston lick....

[@antonromano9585]

The "lick" is not in rainforest this year. It is in the opener - Appalachian Morning at 3:06 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5LPcnuCltyoY7M

[@captainkiwi77]

I’m so happy as a newbie to have decided to go down the old drum corps rabbit hole, this show speaks to my soul, mark thurstons writing is just the brain of every young talented drummer imagining shit loads of notes

[@richardmills9359]

It's 2020 and this is still my favorite DCI drum feature ever.

[@WDJeff]

One of my favorite shows. I particularly like the music selections.

[@nickavossa9334]

John M...i still watch this for inspiration.

[@loonylaura85]

I swear, if Drum Corps International did CDs for seasons pre-1997 I'd have this on repeat - it's my new favourite show! 😍 I haven't seen all that many, but I bloody love this one! 😁 👍 💜 #DCI

[@AirbrushingtipsNet]

Laura Cox I was at finals that year. It was an incredible show to see live! Still listen to the MP3 to this day.

[@loonylaura85]

Airbrushing Tips You lucky thing! 😱 Where did you get your MP3 of it?

[@AirbrushingtipsNet]

Laura Cox I ripped it from the CDs I bought that year. Lost the CDs, still have the MP3.

[@loonylaura85]

Airbrushing Tips Oh, you lucky thing! #Grrr

[@AirbrushingtipsNet]

I also have the 93 and 94 shows on MP3. Easily my top 3 shows of all time!

[@danmurray6115]

Great Show Best Drumline fo the year!! I wish the Crossmen would bring back more shows like this one. This Rainforest section of this show of the best I have heard in years....and its 2016 now!!

[@dontamputate]

What an amazing drum line, on top of this great show.

[@glennfjenkins2702]

AHH remember the good OL,days when they actually played music and there weren’t gaps in between horns playing . Today it’s dancing and ballerina I don’t mind choreography but it’s way too much dancing I miss the days when we used to play the bugles

[@johns3106]

I'm usually a fan of somewhat older, peel-your -face-off styles, but this clip is one of the most beautifully melodic pieces I've heard a Corps present. It's too bad horn lines aren't "allowed" to play memorable compositions like this anymore.

[@samsignorelli]

2016 Academy would like a word with you.

[@johns3106]

@sam signorelli Thanks for the tip Sam...I gave it a listen, it was a "nice" show, but the modern stuff just doesn't turn me on like, say,...the mid-80's Blue Devils!😉. Something about the stacking of voices of the G's and the arrangements of that time just sound "right" to me!

[@samsignorelli]

@@johns3106 Fair enough...i played in the 80s, so i get the sentiment The ironic thing about your statement is Academy's closer was the closest thing I've heard to an 80s style ballad closer in a LONG time.

[@raketsu5]

My neck hurts after watching this.

[@Kunkel5]

LOL

[@TheFirmest]

1:10 Amazing arrangement. I love this performance. There will never be one like this ever again. Nowadays its just dancing and microphones on the field

[@leaguemaskthaamumugod7552]

Talk about a judge tape you wanna hear... Boy oh boy was this a jam

[@dgordon1640]

Chris Lamar kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3OznXqKfZWtpac

[@PJMPercussion]

Such a well defined tone coming from the Contras ! ! ! the whole sound was massive & and what corps should sound like !

[@dmark2639]

That was Shorty Bartholomew's training and influence on the horn line.

[@DanielRuiz-ho7et]

Right?!! I played contra, and there are some lines that I always would "play" in my mind as inspiration. Star's 1990 and 1992 contra sections were usually there, as were 1987 SCV. But 1992 Crossmen was always in that mix - what a great aggressive sound and then back off and play some beautiful lines with great range, especially the higher register bits. The percussion always get the share of praise for 1992 Crossmen, but their brassline was right there too man and I feel underrated (by comparison anyway).

[@Tom70s]

I was sitting on the the 45 yard line for this show. One of the loudest horn lines I have ever heard, and this remains one of my favorite musical shows ever. Drum line played their tails off, though tuning was making a transition back then and the activity didn't really have it dialed in yet. So, you don't hear the crisp clean sounds on the recording (or live) that you get today.

[@jasonreedy8531]

Drum break is legendary!

[@deltaray3]

2:00 Goosebump Forrest

[@DanCron]

That freaking drumline! Good god!

[@MichaelMartinez11]

the two best drumlines were SCV and Crossman both not in the top 6.

[@DanCron]

Michael Martinez very true! Though I would also include Star’s drumline as well. They sounded fantastic-and with the snares on Mylar.

[@MichaelMartinez11]

@@petehealey5004 I meant their corps (crossman & SCV) didn't make the National TV broadcast ( top 6 ) And, it was a shame because those are probably two of the most memorable shows in DCI. In retrospect I think the judges got the "general effect " scores way too low on those two shows.

[@jrdjr212]

Actually, Crossmen placed 6th that year. I believe it was their highest finals finish. At least to that point.

[@julianonsomenutshit]

The drill is so different here, they really know how to utilize the entire field and sure enough, the listening situations can be tough but Jesus it is visually stimulating.

[@loonylaura85]

Christ on a bike, that's a drumline & a half!!! 😍 👍 💞 👌 *DROOLING*

[@loonylaura85]

What's this piece of music from? Kinda sounds like it could be a musical theatre song if it had words set to it. 😃

[@lappy386]

Laura Cox I tried to reply a couple months ago, but apparently it got zapped. Anyway the song is called Puma and it is performed by the jazz group Full Circle. There are no real lyrics/words - just a kind of "Lion King" chant-ish thing going on. Search for it, and you'll be able to find it on KZbin.

[@loonylaura85]

Erik Riesterer Thank you! 😃 👍

[@loonylaura85]

Richard Kane Thanks for the link!!! 😁 👍

[@captainkane1984]

Laura Cox You're welcome :) Bones4life

[@Daveinbrewtown]

Flowin’ arrangement

[@drumcatnau]

I really miss this era where there's no electronics, and the bottom bass on the field still thumped the stadium. Something we've lost going inside...

[@VIRGILSKEEN]

The phrasing is impeccable!

[@ronniemock6693]

2:05 Head Bobbin' Snare Rockin' Goodness...

[@VKDM8687]

While all you drum nerds are yammering on and on about that drumline (I AGREE--out of this world), can someone...ANYONE.... tell me just HOW THE HELL Eric Kitchenman came up with that drill from 2:35 on???? HOLY CRAP ON A STICK!!! That was UNNNNNBELIEVABLE!!!

[@antonromano9585]

Not Kitchenman - Eric stopped writing in 91. 92/93 were John Miloskaus.

[@dmark2639]

Yep...John Milauskis (sp?). Personally, I preferred his drills over Kitchenman's...

[@Thudpaw2006]

I marched this show. We called that sequence “the juggernaut”

[@lukascalvert6484]

The definition of cats….. ‘These cats can play’

[@badger012009]

Thanks for posting- was at this show.

[@abramquinn7726]

I want to play the concert bass drum in this song!

[@JamieSmith-fz2mz]

Love the bass drum tuning. They don’t sound like a cardboard box.

[@joeldrummer81]

Puma full circle.

[@mrbellafante1]

wow.... why am i just now seeing this??

[@doctorawesome1]

Ahhhh. Drum Corps. (Before all the dancing and poop-squatting took over).

[@Nai1216]

The 90s Is the peak of DCI hands down

[@badger012009]

1976 Blue Devils. 1980 27th Lancers. 1988 Scouts. 1992 Cavs... The last/year of REAL drum corp.

[@Kunkel5]

@Micah Lall-Trail I have to disagree. When a hornline gets more applause for when their horns are on the ground they are doing hijinks than when they are playing and marching... something's wrong. ;-)

[@morg8129]

Here's the song by Karl Lundeberg this arrangement is based off: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqDWeGRtecSWn68

[@agentpebble1094]

The inspiration for Claudia Taylor Johnson 2017?

[@danielbutcher5836]

This was the section played on the PBS broadcast that year, which got worn out in my VCR when I was in high school. Invert cheese? Really? Didn’t Vanguard hose their invert cheese in the Miss Saigon show? 😉

[@SnareMan]

Was this solo clean in person? It sounds like mud in the recording, but I didn't know if that was just the mic placement in relation to the snareline.

[@deandremallory3842]

They were as clean as the board of health

[@richardmills9359]

You can find a few judge's tapes floating around on KZbin and you can tell from those that it was really clean. Stereo mixing of the mics in the 1990s recordings make a lot of the clean lines sound dirty.

[@SnareMan]

@@richardmills9359 that's too bad that the microphones got it that screwed up. I've always thought it was a bunch of mud based on the recording. same with that isolated Star snare roll from 93. If you listen to it out of just one speaker it's clean

[@richardmills9359]

@@SnareMan, give the judge's tape from quarterfinals a listen! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnWqaWZphteIjcU

[@deandremallory3842]

What place did this Crossman Drum Line finish in?

[@richardmills9359]

If I recall, it was 4th in the caption. But forget the placements: This is probably my favorite drum feature of all time!

[@srgambetty]

My favorite part of this show was when they beat SCV

[@raizedbynerdz8718]

too bad the audio is horrible..I do not remember them sounding this dirty and terrible live. even the cd audio is terrible

[@BACcontrabass]

Jon Robbins Though I'm a year late to the party, the reason they sound dirty is probably because of the phasing between the mic's. The 1993 recordings were pretty bad in this as well - I remember one time I was listening to 1993 Star's "snare roll" (you know "the cleanest roll in DCI history") thinking it sounded muddy to my non-drummer ears. Then I played with the balance, forgot which side I set it to, and then heard how damn clean it was. Throw your 1992 Xmen disc (or load your file) and fade all the way left or right - I'm sure you'll hear how clean it really was. :)

[@phntmrt]

You three dislikes... What the hell is wrong with you?

[@ThaSound]

Drum Corp! Now dresses n debutante sleeves 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@andrewnance2156]

I'm curious about the thumbs down.. (3)???

[@andrewnance2156]

Bones

[@monkeybusiness8557]

When the

[@landshark5712]

Fart

[@martinbrower4720]

The opener: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b17Ud6NrrLqXis0

[@chaser22081]

As a modern Drum Corp fanatic who just got out of high school. Seeing all these "old timers" obsessing with these "older" shows and dissing modern Drum Corps make me laugh. Ya'll look incredibly outdated and old. Don't get me wrong I love this style, it's raw and beautiful. But we get it, ya'll can't move on. When you see shows like TILT, and Blue Devils record setting 2014 brass. They compete and beat shows like this.

[@oldschooldrumcorps]

If it wasn't for "old school "there would be no "new school" these performers are now your directors, instructors, show designers, arrangers, techs, support staff, bus drivers and ticket buying fans who know and love this activity, and some of us have been loving it longer than you have been alive. Shows like "Tilt" happened because of rule changes allowing amplication of instruments, electronics ( what would "Tilt" sound like without the synthesizer Pitch bend?) We know what we know, and many of us have seen almost every change in Drum Corps ( I go back before there even was a DCI) We did the best with what were allowed to do, and the outcome of all that is what you see today. Imagine the 2014 Blue Devils with no trumpets, no trombones, no french horns, no synthesizers or amplification, no props on the field, less dancing, more marching. Yep, you get "old school" drum corps.

[@BagChatters10]

oldschooldrumcorps AMEN from the choir loft....

[@johns3106]

oldschooldrumcorps you said it brother!

[@renorailfanning5465]

Maybe Drum Corp was better in the day. Sometimes art/music hits it's peak at certain times. I don't think popular music was the best during my youth but I do believe DCI was better. I do listen to modern DCI but, electronics are B.S. I was listening to 2010 SCV's Bartok show and I heard this awful synthesizer play a melody that should have been played by an acoustic instrument. Progress is fine but not all progress is good. Also ,compare 1992 Cavaliers with 2014 Blue Devils. Not at 6th place show with a winning show.

[@ProudPapaJD]

And I’m sorry you’ll never get to perform in front of a crowd of 40,000 screaming fans with multiple standing ovations throughout the show. Because today’s shows don’t elicit that reaction nor do that many people come anymore. When I watch a show now, which is rare, I marvel at the technical talent of the performers, as I sit on my hands, bored. But you win. The modern era “beats” these 90’s monsters but I got to enjoy the experience of entertaining the crap out of EVERYONE in the stands. Not just the ones who “get it.”

[@desertcoliseum]

GAY

[@markcooperartcomofficial]

Half the views are mine.