Don't animate like High Guardian Spice

[@CrownePrince]

I thought people were exaggerating the show's problems. They weren't.

[@ceresco_]

The problems are being the opposite of exaggerated This show gave me the wrong vibe and I'm glad I didn't watch it, sorry you had to see this garbage

[@TheCammerhammer]

What continues to boggle my mind about the show is the fact that it has _so many_ five star reviews on CR. Even if you love the show you cannot look at it objectively and say it is so flawless that it deserves five stars. Even if you think the rating doesn't deserve to be as low as it is, overrating to compensate is not the proper solution.

[@JHaller_]

@@TheCammerhammer A lot of that is a particular camp of people reacting to the initial negative reaction towards the show when it used the identity of its staff as a selling point in the trailers and promotion. That set off red flags to people because appealing to progressive check boxes has lead to bad products in a number of cases (Get Woke, Go Broke). Those people didn't like that this was being pointed out and memed on, and as a result they became entrenched saying that the show was good as a way to spite or gaslight everyone else who had doubts of the shows quality. Or as you mentioned people trying to "correct" the score because everyone was downvoting it in the ratings. I don't think most of them actually believe it's good or they've deluded themselves to an egregious degree.

[@divalea]

Before I even watched, I told my daughter, “She’s so positive, I was introduced to Mystery Skulls (from her Vids), she teaches how to animate in various styles, so if she’s dragging High Guardian Spice, it’s REALLY BAD.”

[@zileris]

@B. A. Carroll oh no, now he only has 331,999 subscribers left D:

[@DarknessIsTheTruth]

I have to admit that "Oh, Go Focus Yourself" got a genuine laugh out of me.

[@avacadotoast5571]

That was totally an innuendo. A badly disguised one, but an innuendo.

[@luckytrap897]

@@avacadotoast5571 anything and everything can innuendo if you try hard enough

[@yureiotakughost9464]

@@luckytrap897 Mm I try hard enough a lot, if you know what I mean... Dang you're right

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Hi Deeth

[@yourresume373]

@@yureiotakughost9464 If you add "if you know what I mean..." to any sentence, it becomes an innuendo. That's just lazy writing, _if you know what I mean_ ~ 😏

[@soulslvr9562]

Funny how you say how the animators of this show werent paid enough and werent given enough time.... According to whistleblowers that worked at Crunchyroll that is EXACTLY what happened.

[@fluffywolfo3663]

Well, if you know a field or craft well enough, the signs get easy to see. For example, I can tell the story suffered a number of rewrites and was written somewhat sporadically.

[@NekoBoyOfficial]

So they recreated the problems in the anime industry they claimed to help, nice.

[@jeromefournier9667]

I mean, the paid part I can beleive, that's a classic but unless CR sat on a finished product for a while this thing was in production for a rather long time. Also I could understand some parts of the show being bad from lack of time and/or pay, but this show has bad characters, dialog, animation, plot, world building, direction, voice acting, ect... at the very least your world building, characters and plot should be mostly settled before you even get to the episode animation.

[@fluffywolfo3663]

@@jeromefournier9667 you know, I think they might have.

[@gtf234]

@@jeromefournier9667 They wrapped in 2019, so it was in production about a year. That is observable because that's when all the writers like Leth began to solicit new writing projects on their various social media accounts.

[@bocar4127]

5:50 that one bench alone has pushed me to the brink of finally wanting to watch the show. That singular colorless bench has been the funniest thing I’ve seen today why oh why

[@Bear_Song]

Loll same I nearly started laughing when I saw this beautiful animation error

[@navyntune8158]

if anything, I'd keep that shit as a joke, like a type of manifest spell just forms colorless objects of limited complexity and some mf forgot to demanifest the bench

[@barkingsandwich]

LOL

[@finngswan3732]

That lone bench cracked me too. Just. There. A bench.

[@WereWolfWarlock-lx7rs]

I watched the show and did not realize the bad errors of the animation. 😂 I will agree the script was well weird and hard to fully understand, I think that's a good way to describe it I think?

[@Lavender_Fox]

"when people unironically rank side characters as their favorites, that's not a good sign." every anime fandom ever would like a moment of your time.

[@TuesdaysArt]

I used to like the villains in DragonBall more than the heroes because the heroes were boring to me lol

[@dx.feelgood5825]

hey my favorite character in Sailor Moon only appears for one season. Occasionally that’s not bad Absolutely atrocious here though

[@KidNamedBlue_]

I think it's about whether the majority of people have side characters as their favourite, not just any amount of people. Because of course having good side characters that can become favourites isn't bad, it's when the side characters are better than the main characters, then it becomes a problem.

[@teqhchaser]

​@@studiouskid1528RESPECT SON GOKU

[@RealCoolstriker64]

It happens, it just shouldn’t be happening a lot

[@Tera_GX]

1:31 "Useless head space" has been used to great effect in cute anime like Lucky Star. A little bit in YuruYuri and Nichijou too. Of course, it was about making the characters small in multiple senses, and perhaps a need for that space for all the airheadedness.

[@kaykeunil]

Yup, it definitely works in Lucky star, because it’s cute and not taking itself that seriously, but here it just comes across as weirdly drawn backgrounds

[@eglol]

Nichijou mentioned

[@UnknownSpy]

The first 2 minutes absolutely killed me, and then it just kept going. Thank you- This video extended my lifespan by 5 years

[@protomedia8325]

Lol

[@iiLMunchkiin]

HOLY CRAP UNKNOWNSPY I LOVE YOUR ARTSTYLE

[@luvedd]

yoo I’m the thousand like

[@arkuai]

UNKNOWN SPYYY!!!!! I LOVE YOUR ANIMATIONS!!!!!

[@TheSylveonlover]

OMG IT YOU UNKOWNSPY I LOVE YOUR VIDS!!!

[@floofzykitty5072]

There are actually shows that stylistically use PNGs like Flapjack and Gumball, and the way they use them is that they actually really lean into the fact that it's a dumb little PNG and they have them stretch, warp etc. to animate them and make them very enjoyable to watch despite obviously being there due to time/budget constraints.

[@AranhaaTheSixtyninth]

I think gumball animators just forgot about consistency, and I love it

[@andieallison6792]

@@AranhaaTheSixtyninth it's a stylistic choice

[@genericname2747]

@@AranhaaTheSixtyninth it is 100% on purpose

[@AUTTY6242]

That's what makes gumball..well, gumball

[@rosilinathedragon4382]

uncle grandpa has the Giant Realistic Flying Tiger as well (yes, that’s the actual name)

[@JAZZY_DREAMER]

I personally really struggle with perspective and scaling, are there any books out there that are good for learning this stuff? Thanks! Edit: I know people don’t usually like edits like these but since is the first time getting this many likes on a comment I just wanna say thank you for the likes and all the suggestions!!

[@ScottRuggels]

The later chapters of “Fun With A Pencil”, also Perspective For Comic Book Artists. The How to Draw Manha books from Japan have two volumes on perspective. Hope this helps.

[@bobalinx8762]

@@ScottRuggels Manhwa is Korean.

[@CrownePrince]

Any of the ones I've seen all say the same things about perspective. I don't have a specific recommendation. Though I will mention a lot of people use tools now to get perspective down, such as 3D modeling tools or 3D drag-and-drop tools (SketchUp) to build scenes as reference.

[@-SOSA-.]

The only one I know is called "Perspective Made easy" by Ernest R. Norling

[@lukedoglt]

Bam Animation has a really good video about perspective to get a start :)

[@pbdoesart2351]

As an animator, I watched through the entirety of High Guardian Spice in order to learn on what not to do in animations. Also, can we talk about that one scene in the flashback with Rosemary's mother and Cassaway fighting that manticore and it was literally just a panning up still of a Mantacore drawing? I laughed hysterically in confusion and disbelief.

[@KidNamedBlue_]

As a beginner animator I also plan on watching it just to know what not to do after watching the internet hate on every single part of it lol

[@JMonty0100]

People used to give Steven Universe shit for going off model or size discrepancies. This is what I’d call “every frame a f*ck up”

[@maxwellschwass]

Even Steven universe is better than this

[@renard6012]

Animator's lifehack: You can't go off-model if you don't use character sheets at all.

[@onlyflylikeabeetv]

I remember that one episode where lapis and peridot had hair that was a little too big and just enough to be noticeable, and then in response to all the comments on twitter the guy that storyboarded it doodled them with huuuuuge hair looking smug like they're some kind of drag queens 😂

[@terryt9833]

Allegedly Steven universe did that on purpose, they wanted to allow the board artists to exaggerate and interpret as they chose for dramatic effect. It was fluid on purpose

[@Hello-bs8dn]

With Steven it partially makes sense with the lore bc the gems ARE made of light lol

[@PikaPetey]

Animators underpaid and overworked? Oh boy what else is new?

[@zeosummers3984]

No amount of budget or time can fix this dumpster fire

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

Because of Corporate Laissez Faire capitalism.

[@edcaous]

​@@zeosummers3984 Indeed. The show was doomed to fail from the start. Not ALL problems can be fixed just by throwing money at it.

[@morningglory.2]

​@@edcaous Tbh… this is a really silly outlook. I’ve actually read statements by people who worked on it and the budget affected the quality at every turn. It”# pretty important to clarify that giving the project a better budget and time constraint is NOT “throwing money at it”. If you knew what you were talking about you’d understand that animators are consistently SEVERELY underpaid and forced to work in very little time. Obviously the team consisting of amateurs and writing issues did damage, but the sentiment that money and time wouldn’t help this project is silly. It’s a really boomer mindset to have acting like money isn’t a major contributor to quality. Artists deserve to be payed. They need money to create better projects. So yeah, let’s end the bad takes here please?

[@celadoncatt]

That's why never work for a big brother company for animation. They don't pay you enough you're overworked.

[@okayso1747]

I'm working on a pretty popular animated tv series, [NDA], and let me fuckin' tell you, I'm shocked at the poor backgrounds/model assets I'm forced to make characters move/interact with. The amount of unpaid overtime I put in trying to make my scenes up to snuff to the show's standard is INTENSE on my and my co-workers. the second I saw this, I knew for a fact the people working on this simply are not given time, income or have the professional training to complete. I would bet my drawing hand that the boards the animators and BG artists had to work on was short of non-existent.

[@Wtdtd]

how long till the NDA expires?

[@i_draw_whatever18]

I hope it’s not guardian spice

[@Stalker6622]

It being an sjw pile of garbage doesnt help 🤣

[@nicolle2126]

in the animation studios in my country, artists are paid pennies per background, not per hour, and revisions are NOT paid for 🙃🙃🙃🙃 so if you get assigned a really difficult and detailed background, then tough luck 🙃🙃🙃🙃 if high guardian spice or your show was made with these practices too then im not surprised it turned out the way they did

[@gaywerewolf1294]

@@i_draw_whatever18 my bet is that it is lol

[@gasjebasje99]

I am unironically learning a ton about animation by seeing people explain the mistakes, and I think there’s some quality in that.

[@justafreak4986]

You know, this video has given me the motivation to finally learn the art fundamentals

[@brittonwhite8122]

This gave me full-fledged confidence in my own talents and gifts (I.E. Writing and drawing and stuff) I already somewhat know art fundamentals, hopefully.

[@Palestinian_Weeb_Punchout]

How is it going?

[@Renalucent]

Oh my gosh, having worked on several productions, this staff clearly had a short production schedule and small budget for the scope of the work asked for. In all of the projects I've worked on, the directors and supervisors would watch through renders to find mistakes (Sometimes the whole studio would watch together), but if they were strapped for time they were likely too busy with other tasks, and the animators were rushing just to get _something_ out the door. Also it also seems likely artists who didn't specialize in a certain department (eg. animation assistants being asked to quickly paint a background), were recruited to do those tasks.

[@capitatecab6049]

I have a question, does budget matter that big in a production? I ask because i heard that OPM and MP100 had normal anime budgets, but loads of time to work on the product

[@Renalucent]

@@capitatecab6049 @Capitate Cab 100%. Animators are labor and need to get paid. The longer they need to work, the more they need to be paid. Time is money as they say. This is from the frame of reference of a US production in NYC - Say an animator is salaried for $1200 a week, for 10 weeks. $12000 has been budgeted for this animator. All of a sudden, a production needs to be extended for a month (this is VERY common). Now the animator needs to be budgeted for $16800. Studios want to avoid that as much as possible - so if Crunchyroll wants to save money on its outsource studio (which generally have criminally low budgets to begin with, lower than Japanese studios), they will push for it to be completed on time with zero wiggle room. The budget has dictated the time that's allowed to be spent. By the way there is a huge issue in the anime industry (and why it should not be used as a golden standard) that you can read articles on via Vox, NY Times, Cartoonbrew, and Kotaku, as well as documentaries on KZbin highlighting a lot of issues and abuses within its animation industry. Their salaried key animators may be industry names who get paid better (still not great, $1800 USD per month via Ghibli and Science Saru's own career pages), but they save all their costs by hiring freelancers and inbetweeners by paying them extremely low. I've seen a friend of mine reached out to for layout - to be paid $5 USD per LO. There's a reason that studios are reaching out to international animators to freelance at this point - using passion as a draw for hiring. So you get passionate young animators who are not salaried and are putting in their best work, with many of them burning out quickly. You get a beautiful product but a high turnover of animators. It's in _spite_ of the budget, not because of it. I could genuinely write an entire article on it, but there are far better written ones with interviews with Japanese animators that you can read instead.

[@capitatecab6049]

@@Renalucent Thank you for answering

[@Renalucent]

@@capitatecab6049 Of course!!

[@TheWilderCat]

This show looks like a really high quality Webtoon made by a passionate team of five college buddies. The issue is it comes from an actual studio…

[@joeyberg5765]

Hypothetical question from an aspiring creator, if you have the time: Would you say that animation quality or animation consistency is more important? And as a follow up question, if I could impose, would you ever personally watch a show with, let's say, significantly sub standard animation quality, so long as it was artistically consistent and soundly written? Or is it all about the polish and Sakuga style animation for you?

[@TheWilderCat]

@@joeyberg5765 I don’t think you meant to reply to me but I’ll respond anyway. It depends on what’s being presented. A calm, slice of life-y show with relatively little steaks would benefit more from consistency. A show with a strong mix of emotions might do better with more inconsistent animation quality to support the high points but not waste too much effort on the calmer points. Inconsistency, for me personally at least, only really bothers me if it seems random. If a show has meh quality when the characters are sitting around talking but has amazing quality during a high stakes fight that feels pretty natural. If a show has meh quality for the majority of the run but suddenly has a gorgeously animated shot of someone putting on shows it’d feel weird. (And a bit like the animator has a foot fetish.) Basically, it’s pretty normal to put more time and effort into scenes that are important and need it. Personally, I prefer good writing to perfect animation but it depends on the purpose of the show. Some shows just *are* nice animation and that’s all they’re meant to be, and that’s perfectly fine. But if something sets out to do one thing and ends up accidentally doing another it shows.

[@joeyberg5765]

@@TheWilderCat That's good information, I'll be sure to remember all of that. Also I actually did mean to reply to you haha, so thank you for your time and feedback =)

[@TheWilderCat]

@@joeyberg5765 Ah ok. No problem, I wish you good luck with your animation endeavors.

[@brodenmckinney8168]

@@joeyberg5765 you should check out Toniko Pantoja’s channel. He is a professional animator. He has some amazing videos and I just saw one on consistency, that I think would help you close the gap between quality and consistency. I actually found Crowne’s channel through his comment section. Crowne has commented on almost every video I’ve seen of his.

[@taofortunis8600]

The changing line quality on Crowne while she was talking about line quality mistakes was the icing on the cake for this vid

[@gezz555]

Also, the fact that Crowne put the png image of roses and bread at the background

[@solidfeline9093]

3:00 that's not a foreground character, that's just a big guy

[@DrWellRound]

He was probably supposed to show up on the top layer

[@yellopal]

just a huge guy

[@spud7234]

He cares not for layers, just being big

[@kendrakirai]

Like the gigantic cop in Invader Zim! (Which totally wasn't a layering/crappy overseas studio thing)

[@proxy1035]

0:02 getting some early pokemon cartoon "Jelly donut" vibes

[@Cinnaschticks]

Man, I love jelly donuts! 🍙😋

[@Navarein]

Nah those rice balls 🍩😎

[@Connorses]

More people need to talk about the sequence where they dip a dragon egg in healing water, and the dragon rapidly ages, gives the heroes a ride home, decomposes into a skeleton, says "I'm okay" and then flies into the sky and explodes into fireworks and becomes stars.

[@mertensiam3384]

IVE WATCHED THAT SCENE ITS SO FUNNY FOR NO REASON

[@livelaughfiona]

WHAT

[@trexindominus8119]

Sounds like some myth about how the stars formed.

[@CardinalWest]

Not sure if it’s something that would interest you (or that you'd have time for), but I’d love to see more videos in this style - 10 to 15 minute reviews of animated shows or movies from the perspective of a veteran animator. Media reviews are my favorite KZbin genre but most of them either focus strictly on the writing or just give a general overview from a layman’s perspective.

[@CrownePrince]

That's pretty much what I do here! Though I tend to keep the videos under 10 minutes. The Scribble Kibble playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLYDh8mMwv-pPM8DPu-LsG6MQeIkKsHByb

[@zoesilver5828]

HI CARDINAL! fancy seeing you here

[@k1n5h0]

Something I noticed about the art style of HGS is that the background is very saturated everywhere you look. Most of the time they have clashing/oddly similar tones compared to the characters, which makes it harder to pinpoint where the viewer is supposed to look. It's also just an eyesore.

[@larsw.9442]

5:25 Oh, I see what ya did there.

[@HerrDeutschBlood]

What’s really disappointing about High Guardian Spice is that if you take away the script that’s seems to be all over the map, the piss poor sound quality of the dialogue and the hilariously bad animation errors, you simply have another run-of-the-mill show on your hands that doesn’t offer anything new or groundbreaking to the table.

[@edcaous]

Yeah, in comparison Ex-arm's animation is truly dogwater, but the story it was based on wasn't THAT bad. You can still somewhat enjoy the source material it was based on (though that still isn't great either) While High Guardian Spice has literally nothing going for it.

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

The story didn't even need to be groundbreaking either. If it just had some level of creativity, or was at least a fun take on something otherwise basic

[@kimifw58]

If it was a kid show, it would at least be notable for its LGBT stuff, even though it's poorly handled.

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

@@kimifw58 Totally. Even then, kid shows like The Owl House and Steven Universe are already handling LGBT relationships better than this

[@fluidwolf]

@@katherinesmallbean3594 Steven Universe handled it well enough from what I've seen at least, not sure on the Owl House tho as I haven't seen it. But yeah HGS doesn't seem to handle the LGBT stuff too well a lot of the time from what I've seen. Snapdragon I think being a notable problem in that his problem didn't actually seem to be a thing with his actual gender but his views on masculinity with his family and some other characters pushing very toxic views of it onto him. Like it would have been a problem that could have been solved with someone teaching him that guys can have feminine qualities and that doesn't make them lesser, which could extend to helping the blue hair girl with her own sexist views on masculinity and femininity. Instead it just ended up with "you should be a girl so transition" which didn't make sense since his issue wasn't with his gender but the concepts of masculinity and femininity that others around him pushed.

[@giraffe6856]

As a Korean, I JUST realized this show is animated from South Korea studio.. And…I can tell you that.. 80% of the animation studios here are underpaid and almost all the animation studios have less than 50 people. (If it’s big, then it could be more than 100, but mostly 20-40, or sometimes less than 20) And one time, I got a chance to be in small studio, and they said during probationary period, I’ll be getting paid for only 400-500 dollars for a whole year.. (They didn’t even have 4 major insurance) Small studios like this often tend to use college students because.. they’re students who..don’t know much about how companies work.. And to college students, they are desperate for a job so yeah… I was one of them, who was naive about the whole system, but thankfully my parents told me not to go there, so I turned it down. Most of the animation studios here are paid to make animations for different countries but there’s also almost no chance of improving or grow, it’s just work after work, underpaid. It’s like factory. This is why Korean people often say something like “if you want to do good animation, go Calarts” Or just.. you have to leave this country or else you’re gonna have to just stick with outsourcing forever. I mean, there could be better animation studios here but most of them are like this, it’s really sad. Some companies are doing great with small group of people, but most of them sucks.

[@stitchfinger7678]

I don't understand how a human being can tell someone "perform some of the most tedious and soul-crushing work possible for 12 hours a day, and we'll give you less than a month's rent after extracting a year of labor from you." and expect literally anything to work out.

[@Omegaphoenix128]

The outsourcing is a big big issue. The collapse of home made US animation occured for the same reason that factories went to places like China. It really is a huge issue because not only does it exacerbate issues in both the US and abroad in terms of jobs, it isn't sustainable.

[@Strato_Casterrr9898]

@@stitchfinger7678 this is honestly nothing compared to manual labor, and I live in a third world country where manual laborers earn about 250 dollars a year - if their jobs are stable - or even less than that. Tedious and soul-crushing does not begin to describe he struggle. My father had to peddle the busy highways of a city just to sell rugs and bottled water to passenger vehicles during red lights. That earned him about 10 dollars a day, while he was still studying.

[@megadracosaurus]

Its ironic though, because the creators appearently claimed they DIDN'T outscource, because they wanted to be pure and not 'sink' to levels of other animation studios. They acted all high and mighty because other studios 'forgot what animation is all about', only for them to do the exact same thing.

[@bibisscreen9605]

@@megadracosaurus I heard that, and the creator's reaction to people calling them out was "it's the biz" and acted like it was no big deal, so I've lost all sympathy for them.

[@TheCammerhammer]

Yes, this video is my fault. No, I am not sorry. Yes, I do plan on making Crowne watch more bad shows. No, I will not say which ones (yet).

[@MarkyVigoroth]

I wish that I could use the Narpas Sword against you.

[@SomehowCreative]

Show her the Anime with the ridiculous boob physics…I mean…one of the 24688 out there…but you know which one.

[@sundalosketch4769]

@@SomehowCreative HA!

[@BlueBerry20071]

Imagine they made it bad on purpose, and the second season is just an absolute masterpiece. That would be the biggest troll of all time. Edit:aged like spoiled milk

[@destroyerofturtles5024]

@Something Diabolical the company might still do it anyway.

[@dig-ll9jj]

​@@studiouskid1528that would be a very quick way to shut down.

[@A_Rainworld_Fan.]

Did this happen?

[@F1areon]

@@A_Rainworld_Fan. No; I think the show got canceled

[@A_Rainworld_Fan.]

@@F1areon dam

[@js-cm9si]

This was surprisingly well put. I like the nice detail of your animation quality slowly decreasing as you were describing the studio at 8:55.

[@ScottRuggels]

People should learn from mistakes. There should be a lot of learning going on looking at this. I enjoyed this far more than I should.

[@oneangryboi408]

Oh trust me, the literal creator wants nothing to do with learning anything. Anyone that criticizes the work is automatically blocked by them. Their latest work consists of the same self-insert character as well. It's not like they can't learn from their mistakes, they just refuse to do so.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

The actual creator of high guardian spice?

[@ScottRuggels]

@@oneangryboi408 IS this the one that did the Tumblr comic? or the animation Show runner? Anyone from Tublr is incapable of learning, yes. (But man Tumblr once had the finest curated pr0n on the internet...)

[@gtf234]

@@SlapstickGenius23 Yes, they are talking about Raye Rodriguez, the creator of the show. That is how he behaves on his social media and yes he has a new project under DC that again features a self-insert of himself- it's the same design as Caraway. It's also apparently another idea he's had in a sketchbook since middle school, just like High Guardian Spice was. Chances are he hasn't developed it an ounce since middle school either, just like HGS.

[@sweetillusions5495]

Unfortunately the creator is too busy performing damage control and deflecting blame on Twitter rn. They've hidden any replies with criticism toward the show too, which ironically is more self-incriminating than anything.

[@Uniquenameosaurus]

Well, that was high effort. Unlike the show.

[@Uniquenameosaurus]

Also my god i never realised how bad the animation really was, no wonder it always feels jank

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Please delete your channel

[@mettapeachhead2076]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 you good?

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@mettapeachhead2076 Yes

[@GalazyProductions]

@@mettapeachhead2076 What you got against them?

[@fatcat1414]

Thing is this would've been a cute indie project and we would've been nicer to it, but this is a major studio with all the money in the world. The only way this could have happened is if the animation team was severely mistreated.

[@Brogan_Balfour_Crescent]

​@@kou7191 As a subscriber myself I love the idea of original content being made by crunchyroll but the quality of anime like Blood of Zeus, EDENS ZERO, Blue Period & Komi Can't Communicate (all Netflix originals that clearly showcase care, passion, talent, budget and understanding of how animation can look good even if you don't have a Disney budget)

[@JHaller_]

Crowne I'm sorry you subjected yourself to a harmful substance to make this video, but it's appreciated. Someone pointing out lamppost.jpg shortly after release was all I needed to see to pass on watching it.

[@ruyguy8888]

She's still in recovery, unfourtunately. After the coma, she's never been the same. We've been eating a lot of oatmeal to regain her strength.

[@stumpedtroper]

dafuq that lamppost even has traces of the watermark on it

[@christiancasaverdepertica1802]

Hey, might be fun to watch with friends and just shit on it every step

[@Deadsphere]

"See also: Scooby Doo from 1969" *Shows a blurry clip from an early to mid 2010s movie they did*

[@CRAgamer]

This is a good example for how hard it is to make an animated show. A lot of the surface level stuff already makes it seem hard. But when you get down to minute details that most people don't usually think about it just seems even harder. Kind of amazing that even one competent animated show gets made.

[@therandomscout6590]

I've seen gacha animations made by one singular person that are Higher quality than this

[@frhog]

Idk why its even called Hight Guardian "Spice", the characters are all named after Herbs.

[@KawaiiLolipop216]

💀

[@Konh-Minh]

Even more ironic that they're named after herbs because none of them have any growth.

[@RealRexRiplash]

Because High Guardian Spice is a new strain of weed the team smokes before shifts.

[@sayywaaat]

@@RealRexRiplash "yo, pass the snapdragon."

[@Joeyisagonnawin]

Even worse, some aren't.

[@snowyches9886]

8:55 this part where you make the animation inconsistent for your own character is such an underappreciated joke LOL

[@CatShapedDonut]

I didn't even catch that

[@adummy9664]

I also think another big part of why people scrutinize this show so much has to do with how it was marketed with this really arrogant "better than you and everyone else" attitude that put more importance on who was making the show rather than the show itself, I think if it came out more humble as a first time amateur project people would've been willing to look past the roughness more. And although this is just pure conjecture on my part, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason so many mistakes slipped through is because no one was really allowed to point out flaws as they came up, judging based on how much of the lead people pretty much shut down any and all criticism directed towards the show. (Again though just speculation.) Also left another sour note on people because from what I hear the show was funded through Crunchyroll sub money instead of using that money to pay their underpayed studios more, but that's admittedly a separate issue with Crunchyroll as a whole and not directly related to High Guardian Spice itself. (Though could maybe have something to do with why so many parts of it just felt underfunded as well?)

[@edcaous]

Yeah, people hated Crunchyroll because their service was awful at the time and a ton of other problems, and to see them use money that was promised to go to underpaid animators and used for this dung that nobody wanted, caused it to get a ton of backlash.

[@13thKingMu]

@@edcaous also problem that sometimes they tricked you that you can support the creator of your favorite anime but they used the money you supported to use self benefit instead which is why i don't want to sign their website

[@juanpablogonzalez8528]

The first trailer itself killed the thing already. All diversity, we are all women, and next to nothing about the show itself was a bad omen

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@edcaous crunch roll is still trash, and allowing a monopoly on the industry is an awfal idea.

[@poke548]

I mean, look at RWBY Volume 1. Lots of rough animation, animation errors, and the infamous silhouette background characters, but (at least at the time, as with Volume 4+ finding reasons to dunk on the series often extended retroactively) most folks were fine with it because it was just Monty and some of his friends making a passion project. Unlike some more recent RT productions, it never pretended to be a professionally-made series, it allowed itself to become that over time as funding and staffing grew with continued support. Then Monty died, and the dream with it, and now production values are basically the only thing the show has had in its corner, save for a couple of redeemable arcs.

[@WobblesandBean]

2:25 Yup. This is called Steven Universe Syndrome.

[@TastyToez]

5:41 I thought a roach crawled onto my screen 😤

[@Mephitinae]

Wait, so all of the actual animation was outsourced to Korean sweatshops? They really managed to capture the "Steven Universe fan artist, who acts like a teen but is actually a late millennial" energy

[@CrownePrince]

Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, and Owl House are all animated in South Korea. It's become a major hub for 2D hand drawn style (which is notoriously expensive). Funny enough the minimum wage there is actually higher than it is in the USA, but yes, animation "sweatshops" are a thing regardless.

[@Mephitinae]

@@CrownePrince Wages are probably not a huge factor. The main difference must be in work culture. Guess I was spoiled by the era when Gen X creators were rolling up their sleeves and working on the actual animation.

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

@@Mephitinae More like crunch culture.

[@brokenlegs8431]

@@Mephitinae boomer talking point. Legal minimum wage is higher but the average wages of an animator are a fair bit lower, that aligns with a brutal overwork culture and a general lack of unionization. You're going to have to pay a U.S, Canadian, or European animator more and give them more reasonable hours than one from Korea. They are called sweatshops for a reason

[@RangoAnimations]

@Bird Lover yeah, basically 90% of animated shows from the 90's to today are outsourced to South Korea.

[@borochifox]

I think the part about killing stuff that ticked me off the most (and boy there was a heck of a competition XD) was when Sage murders that poor dragon! And what happens? She's crying, she knows she has maimed it beyond repair and Rosemary must mercy kill it, they tell her it's 'NOT your FAULT!?!?!' Bull! Oh that pissed me off, you don't need to scream at her, but do not just completely lift that blood from her hands so she'll feel better!!!

[@thereptilianartist1376]

Stop, I was raging at that. Are people going to forget that accidents can also be someone's fault? You can make an accident and take responsibility for it. It can STILL be your fault! That would be a brilliant key scene for the impact on a character and how they will hang onto that and it may change how they do things for fear of repeating it. These writers have no concept of multidimensional characters and seeing the bigger picture if someone unfamiliar was to watch the show.

[@laurelromero6404]

This reminds me of a scene from avatar the last airbender where Katara steals a scroll from pirates and the pirates capture them. Then Katara says this is all her fault and when Aang tells her it isn't, Iroh straigh up tells her "yeah, it kind of is". No mockery or sarcasm in his voice. He just explains her that even though she didn't mean for that to happen and she is sorry and no one is mad at her for it (there are more pressing matters at the moment), her actions still caused all that to happen and they shouldn't pretend otherwise so she doesn't feel bad I know comparing the writing of HGS to the writing of ATLA is lowkey mean to HGS at this point, your comment just made me think of that example

[@angelopark4826]

Aren't we going to mention the fact that the characters are named after herbs, not spices?

[@acsound]

It was a tortured Scarborough Fair reference, so...

[@canon-de-75]

Wait, these are pancakes, not waffles! So many mix ups

[@JohnWilliamNowak]

@@acsound But ... but why? What does the show have to do with Scarborough Fair? It's literally just a reference, but it has no meaning. I think it's the writing. If Rocky and Bullwinkle is considered a classic, poor animation is forgiveable.

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

I guess High Guardian Herbs wouldn't roll off the tounge as well?

[@Galimeer5]

It's almost refreshing to hear a bad review of this show that isn't just angry bitching. We all know it's bad, that much has been established. A calm, measured response about the technical failings and amateur mistakes is much more helpful than an hour-long rant/review.

[@tobyeasterbrook8117]

Most of the people whining we’re gonna whine no matter what after the team dropped a trailer that was 95% “it’s a team of queer women”, 5% showcasing animation, and 0% plot. Regardless of how good it actually was, a lot of commentary KZbinrs hate it because it was made by queer women. This constructive criticism is the first one I’ve seen that actually acknowledges that the show has a few things it does well.

[@ARStudios2000]

I would recommend Blacklightjack's review series where he goes into proper explanation of what doesn't work in the show in seperate episodes. It's a very good overall level headed and mature breakdown of the show

[@montrovy]

@@ARStudios2000 I might have to check that out - Itd be interesting to see a breakdown of the show but every video I see recommended has a thumbnail + title combo that makes me think the entire thing will be like "the issue with the show is The Woke" and not an actual breakdown

[@piretiris8223]

​@@tobyeasterbrook8117naw

[@ericchung3177]

⁠@@tobyeasterbrook8117Okay normally I don’t respond like this but this narrative is really pervasive and I’m getting a little sick of hearing it over and over. Almost none of the people who hated HGS did so because “queer women made it” and thus they were just destined to never like it even if it was good, only for it to just happen to be bad and end up validating them. The reason those people were immediately taken aback was because the marketing was almost SOLEY focused on the identity politics of the creators instead of the project itself which is an almost universal sign that the entire thing is a glorified ego project with little substance. Which it was. It’s not a self-fulfilling prophecy of just “grr queer women so it must be bad”, it’s pattern recognition that if the creative team felt the need to TELL you that it’s by queer women instead of just showing the actual show it’s probably going to be bad. People are taken by surprise and think a project is great after crap marketing or obnoxious creative teams all the time. It’s up to the show to prove those assumptions wrong, not the audience. There’s always more at play than just bigotry when it comes to stuff like this.

[@Impacatus]

4:21 And despite how awkwardly exposition is forced into the dialogue, nothing is actually explained. Worst example was Rose's father and brother talking about what a Guardian does. Completely broke the flow of a scene just to tell us her mother helps people and carries a sword. We still don't know what a Guardian is.

[@d.j.mulcahy1657]

As an aspiring writer, it always pains me to see stories squander all the potential they have. I was never really excited for High Guardian Spice, but instead of being just mediocre, it's legitimately terrible. The only other work I can think of that failed at pacing, plot structure, and character development as much as this show was probably Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. It almost gives the impression that each writer and animator inserted their work without actual cohesion (hence the continuity errors). It's a shame because, in my opinion, animation, especially in television, can be a fantastic medium for storytelling (Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Infinity Train, Invincible, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, etc.). Sorry for the lecture, but I just wanted to make this point. I've heard defenses of High Guardian Spice, but I can't enjoy it. Nothing makes me more upset than poor writing ruining any chance of an entertaining story.

[@CrownePrince]

It's the writing that cripples the show the most. All the art errors would be entertaining but ignorable if the story was at least average.

[@d.j.mulcahy1657]

@@CrownePrince I totally agree. Also, I’ve heard one theory about the “mature audiences only” rating that this show has. Supposedly, HGS was originally pitched and animated as a kids show, but during post-production, the staff added more violence and adult references to justify it being on Crunchyroll. This could explain why the series has such tonal whiplash; switching from a kids show to an adult show with barely any build-up. I can’t confirm if this is true, but sounds like it could be the case.

[@shadowbyname2802]

@@d.j.mulcahy1657 I heard it had something to do with Naruto and other such Shonen anime showcasing blood and swearing that led HGS down the dark path of "adult audience". Although the cynical part of my mind is of the belief that the staff saw other animations with tons of gore being released (the aforementioned Invincible), saw the reactions and wanted to be caught in the wave. Be it for making headlines or just unoriginality, or both, is up to you. Whatever the case, the show fails as both a children's show and an "adult" animation. The writing is so blatantly amateurish and self serving it's enough to distract adults from the awful animation, and the lack of much action or anything really happening leaves me believing kids would find it more boring than anything else.

[@d.j.mulcahy1657]

@@shadowbyname2802 Speaking of Invincible, I feel like that show could’ve helped HGS. Invincible starts as a colorful and lighthearted show about a teen superhero, only to delve into darker territory. The ending of episode one felt jarring and out of left-field, but unlike HGS, it was also a natural story progression. Maybe HGS could’ve done something like this. It could’ve done to fantasy what Invincible did to superheroes. But unlike Invincible, which was violent for deconstruction, High Guardian Spice’s violence feels tacked on and unnecessary. Also, even when Invincible lacks animation, it’s at least able to carry itself with good writing.

[@gtf234]

@@shadowbyname2802 I am fairly confident the mature audience warnings are entirely on CR's call and because of the LGBT content; people who worked on the show claim they didn't know about them either. I am willing to believe that because CR has far more graphic content without such warnings, like Goblin Slayer for example. Even putting aside what happens to Fighter, that show is incredibly gorey As for why they suddenly amp the graphic violence, I doubt it has anything to do with trying to jump on a hype train from things like Invincible. It's just another consequence of their amateurishness- it turns into a tonal whiplash because they decided to front-load 6 episodes of nothing but toothless validation episodes rather than curve it out across the whole series.

[@bagel1612]

This is literally a full on educational video on do's and don'ts to making a show.

[@kylethefan6062]

And most of it is common sense

[@isa-belva]

8:56 something about your avatar becoming pixelated in anger is just so comedic i want to point it out and appreciate it😭

[@nairobicataluna]

4:14 wait what the heck Why did Rose say that? I would get if this is a kids show and maybe it would of been pretty funny if it was but it isn't, it's supposed to be for "Mature audiences" so they can swear, and it's not like they've never done it before, they have What the heck??? This is why this is seen as a 80%-90% kid show, cause ITS BASICALLY A KIDS SHOW

[@YellowPro47]

I’m actually confused about this myself

[@isavenewspapers8890]

I mean, I guess it's a pun.

[@hachijospaniard5643]

2:55 Not content with trying to bleed our eyes, they try to make us deaf.

[@IstasPumaNevada]

I've never seen the show, but looking at stills of it makes me immediately think "inexpensive 90's point-and-click adventure game", the kind where the animated characters walk around a static background and don't always match with the size or perspective of things. Specifically I'm thinking Torin's Passage. I enjoyed that game, but it had some wonky things going on.

[@gtf234]

A lot of errors are very likely from bad storyboards- it's not the animators' jobs to 'correct' them, especially when it's being outsourced, they have no idea what is intended beyond what is in those panels. Vague, incomplete storyboards result in jank perspective, object continuity errors, etc- they shouldn't be treated as just rough sketches for an overall scene, they're an instruction booklet for the animators and should piece out the actions, relative positions, etc very clearly.

[@junew8133]

I would adore a video where someone explains the writing and history behind the show. I'd love to know if the plot beh8nd the show was bad cuz of execs interfering, or if it was just bad

[@CrownePrince]

It's just bad. Executive interference usually shows up as censorship, not as novice-level dialogue and filler.

[@Omegaphoenix128]

I'd add that execs will interfere if something about it is or isn't seen as marketable (i.e they may force development to make a side character more prominent if it means good merchandising; the inverse would be censorship). I wouldn't say the mistakes are all amateur hour shenanigans, but the emphasis of other things being in the show at the cost of dialogue, character, and story development. This is where mgmt should've intervened but didnt, and I can't chalk that up to laziness completely as they wouldve known this show in its finished state might make its money back (or even turn a slight profit) in the short term, it would damage them harshly long term by the means of people choosing to not invest with them.

[@megabuster3940]

This is what happens when you let Tumblr users run a business

[@dootdootperson4304]

8:07 first time watching this channel and as SOON as you said dogs in space i subbed flipping love that show it doesnt get enough love when it comes to youtube

[@CrownePrince]

Solid show. It's getting a 2nd season.

[@dootdootperson4304]

​@@CrownePrince YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@jvssjred]

I will forever randomly find this video and watch it all over again

[@galvanizeddreamer2051]

OK, "Go focus yourself" is a genuinely wonderful line, and completely in-character for Rose.

[@verniegreen]

Finally, a video that actually details why the animation is so bad. Most of the reviewers touch upon animation and barely know what they're talking about. Thank. You.

[@Mangakamen]

Yeah, we weren't exaggerating the show's problems. Can I pour you a drink? 2:38 Also, there's no bottom to the upper floor 4:01 They have Barbara Goodsen and Cam Clarke (He's Neppy cat BTW - They turned Liquid Snake into a cat)

[@CrownePrince]

Wonderful. I can't unsee the second floor thing now. The ceiling is about 6' tall.

[@GlaceonStudios]

@@CrownePrince I think it may have been intended to look like a wall, but the shading just... huh?

[@caiosoares2834]

They turned Liquid Snake into a buff cat. Funniest sh!t i have ever seen

[@edcaous]

If anything, people were downplaying the show's problems because it would take too long to cover all of its problems.

[@cheesesteak2795]

I feel bad for Cam & Barbara for being this sjw trash

[@sniclops15]

I love how after High Guardian Spice got so much criticism, one of the creators went on twitter and basically said "I have access to the rest of the plot, and you guys won't be able to see it. It's so good, you guys made an idiot choice. A lot of talented animators lost their jobs because of you." Yeaahhhhh I doubt every word of that tweet Edit: Small mistake on my part: it was the Cowboy Bebop Netflix producer that posted this, not HGS

[@ManCheat2]

Didn't that same exact thing word for word except animators happen to the dumb ass Cowboy bebop live writer?

[@universalsinewave7559]

LOL That's not going to mean much at all.

[@brookestarr7571]

Hi! If you don’t mind me asking, can you tell who was the creator that said this please? Just want to know!

[@sniclops15]

@@ManCheat2 Ohhh wait I mixed stuff up. Yeah this was the Cowboy Bebop thing

[@sniclops15]

@@brookestarr7571 Messed up a little. It wasn't Guardian Spice, it was the Netflix Cowboy Bebop producers. You can watch the video where I found out about it on Hero Hei's channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqbcY36Zl8qNq6M I also recommend checking his other vids out, he does a lot of takes on people screeching about random stuff on Twitter and it's gold.

[@shironeko1849]

03:11 I was confused for a sec then you adding the meme making me burst into laughter 🤣 It caught me off guard BAHAHAH

[@candace219]

4:32 multiple videos, actually.

[@Empoart]

So many people rush to call the animation "lazy" when it's much more likely that the animators were just overworked. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@DementedDuskull]

9:35 As this image scrolled up, I was like, "Aww." Then it continued and it became a cursed image.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Reminds me of a dream I had when I tried doing mlp hypnosis.

[@JohnnyofTheSevenSeas]

​@@mimszanadunstedt441 MLP what now?

[@sheriffdaken5604]

This is an such a great episode! The rapid fire speed of points is a nice change of pace compared to other Kibble episodes and the Prop.jpegs in the background were a hoot and a half. I especially like the part where you talked about the writing of the show. The writing part was just around 30 seconds, but was still definitely a highlight for me

[@thebookofx]

came for the thumbnail stayed for the "waffles"

[@Shimamon27]

At least they lowered the bar enough for me to feel free to upload my odd animations on youtube 😀 I love how bad the show is, it raises the confidence of artists everywhere!

[@cherrypopscile3385]

Clipping... In 2d... Tha... That is impressive.

[@CrownePrince]

There's legitimate reasons it can happen. I've been given a well-animated 2D shot, but the animator didn't account for foreground objects on a desk. During cleanup you try to fix the original animation as best you can without redoing the whole thing.

[@Leghend]

at least we can appreciate one good thing this show does, bringing people together in unity to have a good laugh. Maybe THAT is the true spice of the show.

[@purplespectre]

The true High Guardian Spice was the friends we made along the way.

[@shiningstar737]

The amount of rule breaking in this seams as if they try to make some aspects avant-garde for the sake of being weird without thinking if it’s good or conjoined. While the actual reason is money and inexperience

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

3:37 gotta have to disagree with that one. Side characters are often the most popular ones in fandoms. Doesn't mean the source material is bad.

[@ambroseghost1351]

I want to create an animated series of my own. This video is really helpful! It helps me understand the issues in animation I should try to avoid and be aware of. I’m still scared I’m going to make these careless mistakes in my animations though.

[@toasturhztoastbunz896]

Sage's Socks really bothered me a lot for some reason. Sometimes they're up to her heels, other times they're up to her thighs, other times it's all the way up her skirt. I don't even know why it bothered me so much. Probably because the story bored me to the point that I started focusing on the bad animation, purely because of how more interesting it was to talk/think about, albeit in an irocnic way. Hm...

[@Lyoko1309]

A good show captures the attention, so you don't notice minor mistakes. Take 'The Little Mermaid', where people have pointed out that Ariel could have written a note to Eric, but the plot is interesting enough that most people don't notice or care.

[@ZonieMusic]

5:10, Just noticed in the background, on the 3rd shelf on the left is the severed arm that can be found when playing the indie game Night in the Woods.

[@sir._.anderson]

As a webcomic artist I can say I was terrible (still kinda am) with consistency and perspective. One of the main issues is deadlines and kinda being lazy :,) but this has inspired to get off my ass and start doing better lol

[@staffdespell]

The point about the voice actors is very true because one of them is ProZD/Sung-Won who is a very good voice actor

[@CrownePrince]

He's wonderful.

[@The-ms2ub]

Thank you for introducing me to the phrase “art typos” I love it

[@SporkSlayer]

I watched the show, and like 100 other videos on High Guardian Spice since it came out. I never noticed that they didn't make waffles.

[@CrownePrince]

There was basically every breakfast item there, EXCEPT waffles.

[@NikkiG1134]

Lets just take a moment to appreciate this beauty 2:47

[@hexchexsaygexhexagon]

crowne rlly said kzbin.infoUjhWRcf8Ivk?si=QvzIFThkQ4Sgzp_Q

[@fictionforeternity8926]

3:37 slime boy let's go.

[@Cosmic_man_productions]

High Guardian Spice was a great inspiration for me, you see I'm taking 3D animation classes and this show inspired me to learn how to write a script and dialog, and to put three times the amount of effort into my work

[@fridamartin-spisak7264]

I appreciate your analysis of why the show is bad, instead of just insulting the creators or actors as if theyre bad people 🤦‍♀️

[@SirEvilestDeath]

I like the meta level joke where this channel decided to put clearly way less effort into animating it’s own character compared to the absurdly well done review and animated Centaurworld video. It’s almost like Crowne decided it was funnier to do a shit job editing this video on a shit show of a production. Funny ,funny stuff…

[@Blusy21]

Okay, I never watched this show and only have seen clips and memes of it, but 3:11 actually had me speechless. I didn't even notice the mistake at first, I paused the video and thought, "what's wrong?" and then BAM, I saw it. I paused the video and looked at it for like 5 minutes just staring and wondering HOW??? I don't know why this is part stuck out so much to me compared to all the other, objectively worse mistakes on the animation quality, but my brain couldn't function after seeing that frame. It's really unfortunate though that not only the animation quality, but the writing, voice acting, and other departments were rushed and lacked communication. The aesthetic looked cute and the characters looked uniquely designed too, I could definitely see myself loving some of the characters if I had the want to watch it.

[@shabillalma4907]

Can You elaborate what's wrong at that moment? I still don't understand

[@Blusy21]

@@shabillalma4907 Of course 👍. So basically she's supposed to be sitting on a desk, but by looking at the image, you can see that her sitting and the desk is wrong. The current position suggests that she is sitting on a surface that is at a slant, when that slant is supposed to be the actual surface of the desk.

[@shabillalma4907]

@@Blusy21 Ohhhhh I see

[@thewalrusclown]

8:23: Anyone else want a plushy of that Scribble Kibble dog loaf, or is it just me????

[@rosediamond9926]

Oh my god….this is not “it’s so bad it’s good “ more like “OH MY GOODNESS THIS IS A DUMPSTER FIRE! I’m an artist who doesn’t know how to animate digitally and usually does traditional art.. this triggers me

[@elhazthorn918]

I was really impressed with your rapid fire of framing and animation critiques.

[@Gell-lo]

Neppy Cat owns every moment on screen. His VA is unreasonably invested and it makes me smile to hear That said, I would take an Amaryllis based show kver what we got in a heartbeat. The inconsistent quality between different characters is astounding.

[@ocarinaplaya]

This could very well be chaulked up to laziness, inexperience or both as stated in the video. It also doesn't help that the show creators and writers are the type of people to beat you over the head with "the message" instead of making a cohesive world with likable characters. I can forgive poor art and wonky animation, but when the story is shit and being used to push a personal agenda that logistically very few people agree with then you've got a show that's dead on arrival.

[@CH-hn2rj]

Yeah. They show's creators are sexist pigs

[@bombtails]

That, and the fact that the creator of the show will block people for daring criticize their show.

[@regenbogenwolf]

@LTNetjak I kinda have to ask here: what exactly do you count as "imposing yourself upon you" and why do you think that High Guadian Spice potrays their LGBTQ+ people as more virtues. I watched HGS and while I agree that it is pretty bad, I don't think they displays its LGBTQ+ characters as more virtuess at all. Most of the LGBTQ+ members in HGS just are. The show never claimed that the homo couple is somehow more virtuess or better than any of the hetero couples, the dwarf family and roses family is shown to be just as nice, caring and welcoming as the lesbian couple. Heck, Snapdragon, who is supposed to be a transgirl that hasn't realized her own transness yet, is first introduced to us as a massive jerk. He later even attacks another student because of his own genderinsecurities and gets in trouble over this. So one of the two transpeople in this show is clearly allowed to be bad in severall scenes and in one of them he is even explicitly acting bad because of his transness. I would hardly call that claiming they are more virtues. I also think you underestimate the significance of coming out as gay or trans. Yes, society is getting better at accepting them but people from the LGBTQ+ spectrum still get discriminated, coming out as one is not without risk. Tans and homosexual people still get disowned, harrassed and trheatened because of their identity, last time I checked noone gets misstreated like that because they wear sandals with socks.

[@toceeno874]

@LTNetjak this comment really reminds me of someone

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Just open transphobia here it seems

[@AlexPBenton]

6:44 I thought your example just before this frame was a ridiculous over exaggeration aaaand then the actual show hit me like a truck.

[@parad0x200]

This show feels like an OC description on deviantart

[@idatethefatkid]

Hey now, OC descriptions are charming and fun to read

[@monsterfanatic5344]

I always come back to this video every now and then just because your level of exasperation with this show is hilarious

[@KumaOso16]

From Raye Rodriguez's recent tweets to this video, this definitely seems like one reason this show was low budgeted was because they didn't hire enough experienced people to work on this show. From what I've seen as of late, this seems to be a trend in Western animation. A newbie will be cheaper than a veteran which is what these higher ups just see - less money to spend.

[@TuesdaysArt]

It doesn't help that they hired a gazillion storyboard artists...

[@warrirornunluv801]

Wait...those aren't waffles...they're PANCAKES. ...Waffles were lies...

[@KelShu]

1:00 The horns pissed me off the most

[@miunya]

I'm going to be looking for smudge assets now forever

[@PsiNintenN64]

Those arent WAFFLES

[@miscellaneouschaos6693]

1:57 we all felt that 😔

[@Meta_knight93]

Indeed

[@RandoSando.]

Since you're an animation channel ill take your word for it on this show. I honestly wouldn't mind like a 30 + minute video essay on it from you

[@mjhtv5397]

There's this animated show on HBO called Animals that ended back in 2018 and even that show has better animation than this. The show has this painted animatic type of style that's consistent the whole way through with it's sizes, perspective and backgrounds, plus it looks pleasing to the eye. I'd reccomend y'all check it out on HBO Max btw. You won't get too much out of the animation but a LOT out of the dialogue, characters and story. It has this anthology set up that brings the characters together at the end and I think that makes for a very entertaining series. Also it's HILARIOUS!

[@qhairullahrusyaidy]

This show feels like we're actually funding a random person on Tumblr who never experienced in animation industry. Why does it feels so familiar? 🤔

[@AGoofyJester]

-Ms. Officer and Mr. Truffles-

[@whatamidoing.6854]

@AGoofyJester ALL OR NOTHING

[@AGoofyJester]

@@whatamidoing.6854 ALL OR NOTHING

[@VanguardJester]

The second they tried to sell the show on how "diverse their staff was", I knew it'd be a fire smack dab in a landfill.