PF: WOTR ENHANCED - The BEST ARCHETYPES for ALL 24 CLASSES

[@cRPGBro]

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[@Alister222222]

Totally agree with nearly all of these choices. -The best hunter class is hands down the Divine Hunter, and I'll never be convinced otherwise. Your pet gets the celestial template, and for some strange reason this version of it allows your pet to smite once per turn, not once per day (unlike the new pally version of the same thing which does only let you smite once per day). By L20 that's +20 to all damage the pet does, multiplying on crit, which can include extra hits that come off things like the Claws of a Sacred Beast item. And as good as that is, that isn't even the best thing about the Divine Hunter. You get a domain, with its domain powers (-2 levels), and with domain zealot that can be a huge bonus (luck is a good pick, for a self-buff luck effect, or travel, for a swift-action teleport for battlefield mobility; war can give you +9 damage and a free feat, madness can give you +9 attack or skills, depending on what you need, and so on). More importantly, you gain its domain spells, which you can cast as spontaneous spells; this is something no cleric can even do, and something inquisitors do not get, as they get the domains but not the spells. With the right domain (war/ glory - although when I was playing this class War was bugged), this will give you Divine Power for +6 to attack and +6 to damage and a haste effect. If you want other spells hunters don't normally get, just pick up a couple of impossible domains. -To me, the key benefit of a dirge bard is that you can affect undead with mind-affecting effects (not just spells, as it says). This includes demoralize and dazzling display, and also dirge of doom, so you can shaken any undead. This is important because it makes them susceptible to shatter defenses. If you also take a level dip in thug, you can also cause fear instead of shaken with your demoralize ability, and just rely on dirge of doom for situation where you prefer to just shaken them. The main fear-resisting enemy you face is undead, so dirge bard can really make life a lot easier for certain parts of the game. (As a side note, the easiest I ever had Regill's gargoyle cave on unfair was with a thug-dipped dirge bard with high persuasion standing in the middle with dazzling display on auto-cast; the entire cave including the gargoyle cleric boss was perma-feared and my archers just mowed them down). -Ecclesitheurge also functions differently than it is described in the game. (Luckily, for the better). The way it works, is any domain that is considered primary (which is to say, the two domains you have picked), including extra domains you take through impossible domain, grant you all of their spells to use in any slot, not just domain slots - this can make you virtually a mage. The game then considers ALL your deity's domains as secondary domains, meaning you can put spells from every single one of your deity's 5 or so domains in your domain slots. This means if you are an Erastil Ecclesitheurge, you could take the community and animal domains, but you would still be allowed to put Barkskin in your L2 domain slot even though you haven't taken plant as a domain. -I would also pick Sanctified Slayer as the best inquisitor. I find that inquisitor is often struggling with its swift actions, since they get domain powers they can use as swift actions (with domain zealot), which is so powerful it would be a waste not to do it. However, judgement is a swift action, meaning the first round of combat you want to hit judgement. And then to make things worse, Greater Bane Weapon is also a swift action. So the second round of combat you want to use bane weapon as your swift action. By then the fight is probably over, and you still haven't been able to use a swift action for a domain power. It gets even worse for the Judge, who can share their judgement... as another swift action. Sanctified slayer swaps out the judgement for sneak attack and studied target, which +5 attack at L20 is pretty on-par with judgement anyway, and doesn't consume your swift action. It also gets 3-4 extra feats (depending on if you are taking dips elsewhere), and kind of gets you an extra mythic ability as you don't have to take the infinite judgement feat. I find the burst potential of the sanctified slayer is much higher than a normal inquisitor, and you give up very little to gain a lot. Since you don't need to pop judgement in your first round, you can instead pop bane weapon or a domain power, which compliments your sneak attack, and can make short work of random encounter enemies etc when they are flat footed.

[@dominikbehrendt1934]

Divine Hunter will be even more competitive once Animal Focus gets changed to an inherent bonus, at the same time making Divine Hound's lack of it hurt far more.

[@D4l4m4r]

Even more importantly: Divine Hunter gets Domains. Guarded Hearth and Madness Domain are some of the best buffs in the game and at least one party member should have them - using a divine hunter, saves you from needing an inquisitor/cleric in the party. Lann makes a great Divine Hunter.

[@whitewolfsp]

Dirge Bard big advantage it's not the song , it's the fact that your enchantment spells affect Undead , so with Hideous Laughter and best jokes you can floor all the undead.

[@cRPGBro]

That is definitely another great benefit of it! It's just usually my Bards are just there for buffs, but they DO get some great Enchantment CC. Pity the Nauseate spells erroneously don't affect Demons despite not having the Poison descriptor like Cacophanous Call, the Mass version of it would be one of the strongest CC spells otherwise.

[@Alister222222]

This is basically correct but its even better than that; the way it is implemented in the game, Dirge Bards can affect undead with any mind-affecting ability, not just spells. This includes demoralize and dazzling display, as well as Dirge of Doom. This makes them extremely useful to have if you are fighting undead.

[@echochamber4095]

Indeed in other d&d games nauseate bard is OP and having ember in a nwn game would have been a dream to make the perfect enchantment bard. Here too many are immune to bard stuff. Still im going to make ember a skald with max enchantment and jokes in the next play just for fun

[@jeremym1647]

9 minutes in and still in ‘B’ I was worried, but you got through it.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@Alister222222 aye, a bard with dazzling already was a fun engine of CC with a thug dip. It got better with the ability to troll the undead as well.

[@witchofskye1961]

Between this video and the party comp one, I can definitely tell that we rate some things quite differently and I think it's because you tend towards very melee oriented builds and (based on clips at least) real-time combat. I love my OP casting be it blasts, CC, or just nice utility so I find things like Court Poet and Witch (including Ember) as well as self-sufficient melee tanks like Sword Saint better. It really goes to show how much variety in terms of builds and playstyles this game has! You can make lots of different things work, even on the hardest difficulties.

[@a37n31]

A cool guide, somehow similar to this, would be a Class dip guide. A summary of all classes/archetipes dip levels that could be useful for advanced builds. Example: 1 lvl monk dip for WIS/CHA to AC; 2 lvl instinctual warrior for WIS to AC and Uncanny Dodge; 4 lvl Rogue for DEX to AB and DMG + Uncanny Dodge; and so on

[@XKCDism]

Something I just learned that's probably just a bug but; Gendarme's bonus feats can actually get feats from trickster perception 2, so you can get the Improved Crit line really outside of the regular feats every other level.

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, that is a very special case for Gendarme that I also noticed in my Trickster Build for it. I think perhaps it's because it's a new class added to Wrath, so they included the "new" feats like from Trickster to the list. Maybe!

[@majidshahani2437]

this might be because of the 2.0.5o update "The list of feats, available to different classes, has been updated, which fixes the issue with not being able to choose some feats despite having the prerequisites for it;" Haven't tested it yet but it was rather inexplicable before.

[@MrGouldilocks]

I agree with most of your analysis. But when it comes to the Witch, giving up the patrons is too big of a price to pay, which makes the Stigmatized Witch a poor choice. Ley Line Guardian is my favorite Witch archetype. It gets a patron, hex progression, and spontaneous casting, which I tend to prefer over prepared casters anyway. It's unique class features are pretty decent as well. It loses a couple hex slots, but still gets plenty.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, losing Witch Patron can be very annoying. Thankfully if MC and merging with Lich, that can easily be overcome.

[@uiliamlandim293]

Very good content man, as always! Congrats! There is a build that I still confess that I'm waiting for you to prepare, an evocation devastating wizzard!

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! I haven't tried a full Evocation Wizard yet, but I'd definitely go Azata!

[@IGotDiabeetus]

Killing it with the vids lately. Big appreciation!

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks, friend!

[@greggreg2458]

You have a calm voice and you are always entertaining.

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! Always nice to hear nice words like these.

[@geminitwn8262]

I've just caught up with a lot of your build/companion guide backlog, well done on each and every one of your build/class/other guides. You've put the information in clearly and easy to understand, kept synergy with all of you companions and builds (pets, outflank, shatter defences 😛) vs. other guides out there that have most of the companions as their own little island with minimal synergy or just rush through a build guide without the "guide" part of it so thank you very much. Loved the video as well to give me more ideas of classes to pick. As for other guide suggestions, as you mentioned a prestige class guide would be nice, esp. with a base class that works well with each. Another I'd be interested in would be a mythic class guide, with a brief description of each mythic and a set of classes (or class style) that'd work well with each of them e.g. Angel - works well with a full divine caster for all the spells or a minor divine class (ranger/paladin) to have angel spells to assist your physical self / party. Either way, keep up the good work!!!

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! I try my best at explaining everything to help others learn about the game's mechanics and so they can also make their own choices and adapt my builds if needed. Prestige Classes could be interesting to cover as I often don't see them being mentioned.

[@pliniocastrofeijo5797]

Great video =D I'd love to see that prestige class guide/overview you talked about at the end of the video

[@michaelhubert1153]

From the monk archetypes, the sensei is also quite interesting to mention for his party buff potential during combat. Maybe not as a MC but a mercenary. He sacrifices some damage potential for himself but gets great stuff instead : - he can fill for a bard with his songs (combines well with Skald) - he gains the capacity to share his Ki powers with all the group -> he can apply barkskin on everyone (2 ki points) or cast restoration on the whole group -> he can add an attack for everyone in the group every turn as a free action, -> he can in the same turn use his action to give true strike to everyone in the group (+20 AB for every single group member on their first attack), every round at the cost of 1 Ki point each time. Due to his low damage output, it can be worth focusing on a tank build with that archetype with max WIS (which also applies to AB with monk weapons), crane line, unarmored buffs etc. It works quite well as a mercenary with Azata MC that can refresh his Ki points several times per rest or with an Aeon MC : True Strike for the first attack of the Aeon charged with the Bane Dispel abality to remove buffs on the enemy and cheese the rest of the fight.

[@cRPGBro]

Sensei can be interested indeed, Monk actually has so many neat archetypes! The loss of Flurry of Blows can be annoying, but at least you get some party wide support to make up for the loss of personal power.

[@Wvk5zc]

@@cRPGBro hence you should make more monk videos! so many interesting archetype to cover!

[@Gathbard]

Your builds are all pretty top notch and well presented. Personally I find the racial builds to be the most interesting, since they force you to make the most with what you get, and sometimes it’s not a lot. Fingers crossed for a stonelord build in the future.

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

Thank God you're here. I can't navigate putting pants on in the morning let alone this stuff!

[@cRPGBro]

Always glad to help 😁

[@notalefty999]

Pet archetypes are basically always the best as you say. The tradeoff for taking a pet is generally way too small given the power of your pet.

[@cRPGBro]

100% yes!

[@JarredPearman]

A full scaling pet as early as level one - cRPG BRO 2022

[@NephilimHunter1959]

Although a ton of people i've seen both play and enjoy the Bloodrager i really haven't found very good builds for them so i would love if you did a Bloodrager build video looking at the different Bloodline powers, which to sacrifice for rage powers and also the best mythic path etc.

[@cRPGBro]

Bloodrager Guide has been requested before, so it is definitely coming too!

[@sammiclark5126]

​@@cRPGBro great!! waited for a Primalist/Bloodrager guide for a while //😄

[@Alister222222]

I am running a bloodrager merc right now on unfair that I am extremely happy with (currently in Act 5, so he's holding up well in the late game). My idea was to use the fact that you get +5 foot reach with the serpentine bloodline to build a heavy-hitter who could stand waaaay back and just hit things hard and do a lot of attacks of opportunity. My build was Primalist 16, Sanctified Slayer (inquisitor) 3, if I recall (probably going SS for the last level, or dipping something else for utility). The slayer part was to get Solo Tactics, which enables him to grant attacks of opportunity to everybody when he crits (via outflank), and get attacks of opportunity when anyone else crits (via seize the moment), despite the fact that other party members don't have those feats. He's not there for the spellcasting, so not bothered by the fact his caster level is just L16. With legendary proportions, he gains (I think?) +10 feet of reach, for a melee reach of 20 feet, which is the same as a dart. I am using the Faith Bearer scimitar for the heal on crit, but I could be using a reach weapon for even more reach, which would put his melee range in the same league as a throwing axe. I took a dragon bloodline as a second bloodline for the +4 natural armor, and the +3 melee armor from the wings (+7 armor seems worth a mythic ability). Combined with mirror image, he's not quick to go down, and with the fast-healing necklace from Greengate and the heal-on-crit scimitar what health he does lose comes back fairly quickly. As a primalist, I gave up the bloodrage powers I didn't need, and took lethal stance for extra hit, beast totem for armor and pounce, and lethal accuracy for and extra crit multiplier. With mythic power attack, his crits are pretty decent (a few hundred or so, usually several a round), so his damage output is pretty good for a merc who just stands behind everyone else and does his thing without any real micromanagement. The main problem I have found is that bloodrager becomes fatigued after rage and can't rage again until it wears off, which I guess you can fix by staying pure to L20, or in my case its simpler as I just cast the undead buff on him as a lich that makes him immune to fatigue for 24h.

[@bewee]

The pets are so awesome . Watching it grow as you level . I'm level 7 and still can't ride my jaguar ,but it's killing gargoyles single handedly . I expected it to be minor damage but help with inventory . Nope ,it's part of what makes this game amazing .

[@someguyatsubway]

Not gonna lie honestly so happy that Half Orcs got such a good racial exclusive archetype. It only makes me wish Owlcat/Paizo would go back and tweak some of the others to be better!

[@benh6835]

S tier content. May I suggest that there is a content gap in the community for a class/ build tier list per Mythic Path. So for example I know I want to play as a Angel for my first playthrough so I can see the story. I'd like to know the top 5 builds that coincide with Angel for example.

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you and that is a great suggestion indeed!

[@shadowassazn1937]

Great video explaining the archetypes! I kinda hope to see a Winter Witch build (preferably starting as a witch) or an Eldritch archer build just to stay away from the op pets.

[@debuyarou7463]

Definitely the best KZbin content creator for Pathfinder WOTR!

[@neiljopling4693]

Azata Proclaimer of Nethys is my favourite Warpriest. The magic blessing is the best blessing and Second Breath and Heroes Never Surrender synergize so well with it that it is worth building the entire character around. To avoid leaving fervour unspent prior to the Second Breath reset one wants to profitably use fervour at such a rate that it runs out at approximately the same time as blessings do and Proclaimer can burn through fervour better than any other archetype.

[@MrGouldilocks]

I'd like to see a similar guide for the worst archetype for each class. There are some real stinkers out there.

[@cRPGBro]

That could be interesting indeed. Some are rather... underwhelming as you said.

[@kathleendelcourt8136]

​@@cRPGBro Could be a challenge, make a good build out of a bad archetype. Like the infamous melee hagbound. 😄

[@MomochiZabuzaSama]

Yes please to a prestige class (and maybe pet classes?) video. Great work as always!

[@disk3001]

I think the Sylvan Rouge bares a mention You can get Witch Hexes on a medium BAB character with sneak attack progression As you said, the witches spell book isn't that impressive and you usually don't need more than 1 caster anyway Have someone like Wendu get 12 level in it to get all the best hexes(including the bite one) and opportunist is pretty sweet

[@MrGouldilocks]

There should be an honorable mention for the Sylvan trickster rogue subclass. They can use their rogue talents to pick up hexes, and even have access to the greater hexes after level 10. The only thing they give up is uncanny Dodge. Sylvan trickster is a great addition If you don't have another hex user in your party.

[@raginhomosapien]

Wandering marksman is pretty good for hunters that aren't going to be riding their pets, IE archers. But the teamwork feats are so good its a balancing act. Divine hound just got nerfed because the hunter animal focus is now a morale bonus. I'm not sure if that makes base hunter about equal with Divine Hound. What do you think?

[@JackVo]

bro you r so good at pathfinder I been playing the game for 400 hours and I think u r the true expert. Can you have a tier list on the type even you can’t play under core or unfair?

[@mahe4]

could we get an updated kineticist guide, since a lot of the azata interaction got patched out? or at least, what mythic path, would you say, is the best now for kineticist now? lich has some abilities that work with kinetic blast. tricksters extra crit stuff would also work, and you could get a pet with religion 2 (although pretty late in the game, if you want perception 2) do aeon gazes work with kinetic blast? especially DC based kinetic blasts? The Demon extra attack on prone still works with kineticist, i think.

[@notalefty999]

Ecclesiathurge with primary domain madness (lamashtu or gyrona) gets both Weird and phantasmal killer, so can be a good option for instant killing, particularly as a demon. I would go for Lamashtu for falchion proficiency and chaos as your secondary domain (there arent any great 2nd domains for either diety to be honest). Motherless gets a bite attack and strength and wisdom bonuses, and you can overcome lack of armour by mounting your animal companion at level 7, which lines up nicely with impossible domain at mythic rank 1 and boon companion.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, Ecclesitheurge can provide some pretty fun combos as usually being locked to a SINGLE Domain Slot for some great spells is a bummer. Plus it's not like you lose anything needed, as armor is redundant when you can go Reach + Size or just easily get a Pet to ride.

[@notalefty999]

Enlightened oracle gets a very good final revelation and doesnt trade much, but base oracle with two mysteries is better overall.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, I just can't stand delaying Revelation Progression early on. Final Revelation for me comes simply too late.

[@Nerazmus]

Have you considered making guides for some of the lategame mythic paths? I think they are rather underappriciated right now and some spotlight wouldn't hurt them.

[@notalefty999]

Wildland shaman is the best archetype for the first 16 levels, but I would say other archetypes overtake it once they too can get a pet through nature spirit.

[@cRPGBro]

The problem is it takes a LONG time to reach 16, certainly more than 50% of the game. Which is why I really fancy Wildland, by the time the other Shamans get the pet, you're pretty much destroying everything anyways, it's the journey to get there that can be the tough part, especially on Hard or mostly Unfair.

[@PeteZam]

a pet on a spontaneous caster like a sorc is massive. using metamagic is a full round action. the amount of times you will wish you were able to move and cast through a given playthrough is a very large number. especially if you play on turn based.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, it's why I prefer Sylvan Sorcerer above all others.

[@stuggaroy]

FYI animal focus is now an inherent bonus as of the last patch.

[@Bird1991]

Most recent patch made animal focus inherent so it's quite a lot better now.

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks for the tip! I actually missed that since it was just released today and the video material had already been recorded and edited, hah.

[@yuriiherbenko8381]

I've opened your video and prepared to argue about kineticist in the comments... but no, there's been nothing to argue about! Basic class is by far the best!

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, even after the new DLC additions!

[@yuriiherbenko8381]

@@cRPGBro Regarding sorcerer. Crossblooded is awesome for a 1 lvl dip (+Ascension mystic) to get elemental immunity to sneak and flanking attacks + whichever bloodline one prefers.

[@GuardianofRoin]

Shame eldritch scion didn't get a mention as it is really fun to use. Spontaneous spellcasting plus the bloodline can be a potent combo. Especially if you go dragon bloodline and then go dragon disciple. I just never enjoyed prepared casters as much as I do for a spontaneous one

[@bofad6074]

I played one recently and was shocked how fun it was, I did arcane bloodline 1st then dragon with mythic feat. with an Elf curved sword and it was nuts. 15-20 melee crit, mass dimension door so could tele the whole party right into the fight, was Azata so zippy magic + chain lightning was wild

[@raginhomosapien]

I tend to go Wandering Marksman on Wenduag and or Lann because of all the great stuff the pets can add to the game. I don't intend to ride them with those NPC.

[@t2av159]

cRpg {I'm paraphrasing) " if it has a pet , its the best " lol

[@robertschwinn3118]

Love this video, came to it late but its awesome!

[@spellandshield]

Great video!

[@BK-yj7vg]

Great vid as always, and I would love to see the best prestige classes, since I'm for some reason tempted to try to get them, but majority kinda looks bad. PS. You are to blame for my skald addiction in every playthrough.

[@leninthebeaniesouhacker.2459]

i'd love seeing a drovier build in the future

[@cRPGBro]

It could make for a nice guide, as it is one of my favorite Druid Archetypes!

[@evrypixelcounts]

My favorite thing in RPGs is to find unconventional combos through multiclasssing. This game makes that hard through volume of choice.

[@cRPGBro]

Indeed, it's one of my favorite things about the Pathfinder games!

[@bofad6074]

Is a melee vivisectionist only viable? like solo viv not like a single level obvi that works Could be a better magus then magus lol

[@cRPGBro]

It is viable, but for solo there are much stronger choices such as Merged Lich and Angel combos, especially Wildland Shaman Angel.

[@cptnstevie]

Do you have a video on Sohei Monk? It's my fav class with a dip somewhere else first to get a dog. Love furry with a fauchard.

[@notalefty999]

Crossblooded is a great dip for an elemental caster who isnt a sorcerer, but a terrible archetype for an actual sorcerer. You end up not having access to new spell levels (other than metamagic) until a level later, and sorcs already have slower spell progression. And losing an extra spell pick to be saddled with the preset spell list of another bloodline is nearly always a terrible option, particularly when you can already take 2nd bloodline as a mythic ability. If the spells between bloodlines dont overlap (and they often do), its still very unlikely the worst spell selection of 3 bloodlines is going to be better than your own pick. And in terms of bloodline powers, you only get to keep the first level bloodline ability. This is never a good trade.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, I suppose it can be great for a dip since the main downside of slower spellcasting progression wouldn't apply! (Besides the 1 loss from Crossblooded over your other spellcasting class anyways).

[@notalefty999]

@@cRPGBro As a dip, I would generally take it late rather than early. The difference between caster level 4 and 5, for example, is substantial, the difference between 19 and 20 much less so. trading your 20th wizard level for +2 damage per dice rolled for a damage dealing wizard is a good trade, espcially given that you add 3 caster levels from robe of seven sins and most damage progressions caps out at 20.

[@KingStratzah]

Trying to make a Demon Mythic Path Monk/Unarmed attacker playthrough, but I can never figure out what I wanna do after Monk - Scaled Fist 3 Lvls and Alchemist - Vivi 1 Lvl. I went Half Orc - Human Raised because I don't care about the Weapon Familiarity as an unarmed attacker or the Last Stand racial's. Instead I took Weapon Finesse so I can use Dex instead of Str for attack rolls and Dodge from the Scaled Fist feat. I planned to add the Gore/Bite feats Half-Orcs can get as well somewhere in the build. I know a certain Tiefling subrace can get this as well but I didn't want to take a negative to ability stats for it. So ya, not sure where to go from here, and I have 16 lvls to go. I was thinking of maybe one of the Inquisitor sub classes and or the Demonslayer subclass from, I think, Ranger. I want the Favored Enemy passives it offers. Maybe the Monk/Barb subclass (I forget the name). Other thank that Idk what to go into.

[@notalefty999]

Ele engine doesnt really lose supercharge, as its baked into their feature of being at max burn. However, it is worse imo. After accounting for the loss of size bonuses, the bonus to hit and damage is roughly halved, you are FAR less durable with very low effective health and no fortification bonus, nor bonus dex and con. Also, being max burn means no ability to use burn in combat at all, so no quickened blast (which is highly situational, but potentially very strong), and no wild talents that cost burn (admittedly, I dont miss this much).

[@cRPGBro]

You are correct, I didn't explain it properly, apologies. Sadly as you said, being forced to max Burn to get the benefits is really a downgrade.

[@mahe4]

what is the big downside of the battle scion skald? the possibility to share teamwork feats is nice, but what i really like is, that you get half your level to persuasion intimidation checks, which can be pretty neat for an intimidation trickster.

[@Medusa_plays]

Thank you!

[@cRPGBro]

You're welcome, and thanks for the comment!

[@captainfantastic7643]

awesome. thanks for the effort.

[@chrislemaster75]

I really want to see an updated gold dragon or azata build. :)

[@notalefty999]

I would disagree that primalist is better than greenrider. As mentioned, it stacks poorly with skald, but even without this, pounce, +6 to hit, +1 crit mutliplier and a bite attack is all good, but only on one character, its not enough to fully offset the loss of a pet and virtually all your bloodline powers. In general though, I think bloodline powers and bloodrager spellcasting is a really lousy trade for rage powers, and as for the primalist, you could just take mad dog for a clearly superior class. The main issue is that the spellcasting is overwhelmingly offensive spellcasting, but without anything like spell combat or spell critical to cast whilst attacking. When exactly does it make sense to cast a fireball or scorching ray over just attacking?

[@cRPGBro]

I kinda agree that Primalist doesn't really offer much when you already have a Skald. Pet is indeed always the most efficient route.

[@isdatdalord1622]

This has inspired me to try an inquisitor build with a dip in the knife rogue subclass and wield a syth...hmmm why does that feel familiar?

[@KirDmA]

If you get knife rogue archetype your sneak dice will decrease if you use any weapon outside knifes.

[@bmardiney]

It would be cool if you made builds specifically for people that don’t want pets. Personally, I can handle one party member with a pet but beyond that, it just gets crowded and annoying. I’d much rather sacrifice raw power for a cleaner, more simple party.

[@ChizFreak]

Is there a video detailing the changes from vanilla to Enhanced Edition?

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, it is right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l52keIqPbdSfbJY

[@TheRelen222]

So pets are very powerful in this game. Good to know, any in particular that you recommend? Divine Hound and Mad Dog Barbarian both look strong.

[@cRPGBro]

Cavalier Gendarme, Mad Dog Barbarian, Divine Hound Hunter, Demonslayer Ranger for melee/ranged. Nature Oracle, Cleric & Sylvan Sorc for casters!

[@Mystra]

Awesome guide 🥂

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks 😁

[@SynderFGC]

You just know Trickster is cRPG Bro's favorite to grab free pets for every single class in the game

[@cRPGBro]

Truth be told with my Trickster Builds I often ignore Animal Domain from Religion 2 Trick since Trickster is so OP there's a LOT of other Improved Tricks we have to pick up first such as Perception, Athletics and World 2!

[@SynderFGC]

@@cRPGBro That's true yeah. I'm playing my first trickster and have been thinking of respeccing to a Preservationist Alchemist. Perception 2, Religion 2, World 2, and UMD 2 to get UMD 3 all seem so good

[@agoNy4_]

Author's real name is Rexxar. He really really like pets. But to my mind, pets are weak against strong enemies. And I don't like to have more, than 2 pets (roll play moment). And I have some classes that you didn't mention and that I really really like: Feyspeaker (Druid), Sensei and Sohei (Monk), Seeker (Oracle), Freebooter (Ranger, 4 lvls), Leyline Witch (Witch 🙃) and especially Deliverer (Slayer). Hope you can say smth about them, cause they are much more interesting in roll play, than «one more guy with pet».

[@cRPGBro]

Honestly, pets are amazing for any content in the game, especially strong enemies, if you properly buff them! A Dog for example can definitely have higher than 90+ AB and also 80+ AC without any feat invested into defense, and higher than 4-5 Attacks/round, most of which will Knockdown for free. I can understand wanting a party with only a few or without them for replaying and themes, though. Usually 2 pets are more than enough, unless you were on let's say Unfair.

[@agoNy4_]

@@cRPGBro maybe I don't understand smth in Pathfinder, but my buffs aren't as strong as yours. But such games are all about experiments. Someday, maybe I'll find a key to unlimited power :)

[@venbruen]

This was awesome. Next big crpg that comes out you truly need early access. Your ability to deciminate information is bar none.

[@secrecy2744]

Unless I'm missing something, Elemental Engine does get Supercharged... kind of. It just has to be at max burn to get it.

[@cRPGBro]

You're correct! It's just that having to be at max Burn for the bonus can be pretty annoying.

[@secrecy2744]

@@cRPGBro It does get nice bonuses for being at max though. Granted, the squishy'ness can be annoying.

[@narninian2796]

Second KZbinr is a week to go over all the subclasses and misrepresent elemental engine (slandered being the other one)! It does more damage that cost of flexibility/tankiness. Sure a lot people would prefer to not be a glass cannon, but its not exactly a class you pick to tank with usually (and if you do there are other archetypes and you probably dip monk or something)

[@smoklares9791]

Could you do a video on the normal magus build?

[@dragonslayerb]

Can you do which Mythic path is best for each class?

[@gabrielbjornursidae]

I agree with most of these, especially Mutation Warrior (my third favorite archetype in the game). Only things I don't see eye to eye is Warrior of the Holy Light, just because of how strong their auras become and if you need spells used just get your use magic device up. Crossblooded for me is the best sorcerer variant, but only because it's the most thematic in my eyes (primarily because of how I play it. SPOILERS, you've already got two bloodlines if you go half-elf, throw sorcerer on there you get another, plus in the lore you've got some other dudes soul mashed up and tied to yours, so why not throw a few more bloodlines on there to really embody the whole 'I am a true culmination of pure arcane power'?).

[@cRPGBro]

My issue is how amazing some unique Paladin buffs are, mostly Bless Weapon and Bestow Grace. Hard to get scrolls of them too, but I guess with the latest DLC it's not much of an issue, although they have pretty low duration from scrolls. Crossblooded can be pretty fun for crazy thematic builds indeed, it's just that learning spells TWO levels later than a Wizard is really painful to me, although Lich Merge can help a lot with that.

[@lynxy90]

I don't get it. Crossblooded sorc learns his spells at same level as any other sorcerer does. The only downside is 1 less spell known at each spell level. That is written in the description of our version of the game (not English). Why do you think CB has slower progression? Sorry for my English

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Herald caller is meh because as a cleric, you wanna go with evocation and conjuration. Thats where the bread and butter is, so if you go conjuration, mythic into evoc, you can pick up the summoning feats anyways. Or spell pen first depending. So trading a domain for feats you can just pick up anyway is meh. But honestly: summoned creatures are either gonna do well on their own or will get gibbed and actually enable cleave chains for the demons..... So dont bother with minor buffs to them.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, the issue with summoning is that you REALLY need to go all out/specialize into it for them to be good.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@cRPGBro monster tactitian is the best summoner anyways. In him, the feats are ok + the mythic buff. For every other need, get scrolls for big ol ele swarm.

[@notalefty999]

Arcane rider is great. You didnt mention greater arcane ride, which is actually amazingly good. Repositioning both you and the pet as a swift action without provoking any AoO (which are a serious problem for mounted characters who tend to neglect AC) is great utility and a significant damage increase in practice, allowing you to get far more full attack actions (and therefore a lot more use out of spell combat). Add on holy, bane dimension strike and you probably have one of the most damaging pets in the game. They give up armour, which whilst mounted is basically irrelevant, and restoring spell slots with arcane pool, but particularly with greater arcane ride, you absolutely dont want to do this. And I am glad to hear someone not claim the sword saint is some god like class. Its not. You lose true magus (-2AB) and sense vitals (5d6 per hit). You get great initiative, usually add int to damage on the first round of combat, can skip combat reflexes and can take an exotic weapon focus for free, and higher level fighter feats. The 2 feats you save will probably be spent on additional fighter feats. However, you lose a few magus arcana, you still cannot tank very well and is certainly less tanky than a well built horse (at least as a pure sword saint, they can be very effective tanks if multiclassed). Perfect strike adds little damage, and perfect critical drains arcane pool insanely fast. Unlike pnp, you have to have it toggled on in advance; you cannot decide on a per hit basis when to apply it, so its extremely wasteful. They lose a lot more than arcane rider, and the benefits are much smaller. I also think Eldritch archer is a notable archetype. It should be mentioned that they do spell combat WAY better. Firstly, being completely immobile in order to use it is far more practical if ranged than if melee, and secondly, the ranged touch attack spells are MUCH stronger than melee touch attack spells.

[@cRPGBro]

My main issue with Sword Saint is how easily outclassed I feel it is by Arcane Rider. While you can ignore AC through reach, and SS can even get Fauchard for free at level 1, I still think even the Horse will eventually add vastly more than SS bonuses. Eldritch Archer can be pretty fun indeed, especially with SA added. Being able to throw Acid Splash + Bow Attack, both with SA even at around level 2 can make for fun times.

[@notalefty999]

I dont really rate hunter generally (I dont know why you would take it over a druid or ranger), but divine hound is great.

[@cRPGBro]

It's amazing! Judgments are great in Wrath due to Everlasting, and being able to automatically apply them to an already strong pet like the Dog and Wolf is really good.

[@maximum9977]

Btw pets can cast spells. Just give them scroll and use magic devise XD

[@neiljopling4693]

What happens if you legend divine hound and judge? Do the judgements stack?

[@baldrellupusneiva7911]

And what are the worst?

[@chetos7807]

Thanks for content without you I would lost all interest after fist playthrough. I'm very interested in prestige classes guide especially about Arcane Trickster, Mystic Theurge and LoreMaster

[@gnatlavrys6481]

Hello, thanks but....Still waiting for the SWARM build))

[@pawep2966]

Its funny how you mention that revelations are the most powerful part about Oracle but you only mention those related to Nature and Battle mystery. Of course I can't argue with that logic rest is really not worth, maybe only ability like ice/bone armor so you can get free feature like archamge armor.

[@wollyram6248]

I know pets and mounts are better, but I don't like them. Oh well, looking forward to your videos on Rogue trader 🙃

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks! Also looking forward to the game, especially a new player to Warhammer lore and such.

[@wollyram6248]

@@cRPGBro "Knowledge is power, hide it well"

[@pawep2966]

Why Ecclesitheurge can't never cast while wearing armor even when you have proficiency?

[@belphegor_dev]

Yes

[@jackpunch5490]

big hello to you! it will be very interesting build on the monster summoner inquisitor)) and thanks for your videos)

[@Craigerade]

What about prestige classes?

[@nadunthathsara1059]

Can you do a druid angel build?

[@СергейМ-б1ц]

"Oh Iomedae! How blind I was!" 1. CrpgBro, you are an amazing guide maker. Thank you. And I learned a lot from this guide. 2. But! you need to "Check" some archetypes before advising. Battle Scion gives out BOTH command traits AND rage powers of your choice. This is the best skald in the game. On the first turn, he grants rage powers. Starting on the second turn IN ADDITION, he grants all command traits that are revealed to him. Yes, he only has 6 rage powers (he cannot take more - BUT THIS IS ENOUGH.-Lethal stance, Deadly accuracy, Lethal accuracy, and full Beast totem = 6) Not everything works the way you think it should, after reading it (including "little crossmarks", things may not be removed, but rather improved). 3. Oracle Enlightened Philosopher - best oracle dip, it gives free expert trait. If you started talking about dips - it should have been mentioned. Thanks again for what you do - you're awesome. And I want you to become even more awesome.

[@mjw3877]

Good video.

[@rodangrahf]

Welcome to the "why your class doesnt matter as long as it gives you a pet" guide lmao. I can confirm its true, pets are OP. On a possible third Pathfinder game they should tak away their equips and the auto trip thing, its just too much

[@alvek230]

Cavalier: Suprised you didn't mention cavalier of the paw. He's "locked" to dog and wolf companion. Gain bonuses agains large + size enemies. If cavalier class counted as fighter for the purpose of weapon focus or weapon spec i would consider gendarme better option but otherwise not so much. As for sorcerer I'm not sure if it's true for sylvan and sage sorcerer but empyreal can't take second bloodline using mythic feats so i guess same should apply for other bloodline locked subclasses. As for oracle i disagree completely. Most revelations are completely worthless. Animal companion and weapon mastery are the best, combat healer is decent and rest of them is irrelevant. Best archetype for oracle would be seeker. You lose 2 revelations for 3 magic feats which is way better for character progression

[@cRPGBro]

Cavalier of the Paw is great fun indeed! I actually have a full Guide for it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bV64aquOZZdqoMk It's definitely one of the strongest racial archetypes, no doubt. Oracle wise as I usually go Nature + Battle, it takes me a long time to run out of useful Revelations, usually at around 15+, I just prefer to get everything as fast as I can.

[@alvek230]

@@cRPGBro Could you explain little more? I agree that revelations are useful but limited to usage per day and easily replaceable by spells or potions so personally I'd rather take 3 normal feats and have better spellcasting which is unique because how spontaneous caster works with metamagic and oracle being only full divine spontaneous caster in game

[@cRPGBro]

@@alvek230 Most of the great Revelations are actually passives, so always in effect. For example, Nature offers: 1. Full scaling Pet 2. Aura that grants a massive Sacred boost to ALL Saves of all pets in the party equal to the Oracle's CHA Mod 3. CHA Mod to Oracle's AC instead of DEX And then Battle: 1. Rolling Initiative 3 times and picking the best result 2. Free Weapon Focus, Improved Critical and even Greater Weapon Focus (all come from same Revelation). Unlike Feats, these cannot really be achieved in any other way, at least not while keeping to the Oracle class, and some are Oracle only too.

[@alvek230]

@@cRPGBro oh i completely forgot that friend to animal gives those sacred saves. Now i see where are you coming from. For Seeker pet, saves and weapon mastery would come by lvl 11 and initiative rolls late on lvl 19. On regular Oracle you are done with all those revelations by lvl 11. I don't count CHA to AC since we wil ride pet anyway. I guess now it boils down to preferences since i can see myself living in a world without AC and initiative rerolls 😃

[@brunokarasiak1291]

Muito bom!

[@notalefty999]

Only hard disagree I have with your list is exploiter wizard. Yes, you can add +2 spell DC a handful of times per day (wizard is one of the classes you are most likely to multiclass, so your reservoir, being based on class rather than caster level, is extremely limited). I dont think the bonus is worth a spell slot per level (or two in the case of Thassilonian specialist), and I would certainly rate it significant worse than elemental specialist. Being able to convert all elemental damage into fire, particularly with ascendant element, is incredibly useful. There are some powerful spells like stormbolts and caustic spray and eruption that would otherwise see very limited use, as its hard to justify taking multiple ascendant elements, and fire has scorching ray, hellfire ray and sirocco, as well as very substantial bonuses through gear, including unlimited and extremely consistent to apply fire vulnerability late game. I really dont think bane of spirit, requiring a use per round, which is incredibly inconvenient, is a reasonable alternative. If you arent going lich or focussing exclusively on phantasmal killer/weird, I think elemental specialist is must for a damage dealing wizard. And if I was playing Lich, thassilonian specialist wrath is preferable imo. You dont lose mythic spells of the opposition school, nor do you have to use extra spell slots to memorise them, and 2 extra evocation spells per day is a lot of extra firepower. Gluttony might seem an obvious choice, but you cannot slot mythic necromancy spells in your specialist spells slots unfortunately. The extra spell DC doesnt help Lich much anyway.

[@cRPGBro]

I think my only issue with Wizard is that usually I'd just go Lich and spam the Lich spells instead of Evocation ones and such. I find it really hard to go for elemental damage due to how LONG it takes to properly get amazing damage going AoE wise from it. And it's really disappointing that for some strange reason Thassilonian cannot add the Mythic spells to their Specialist Slots if Necromancy. Also, Abundant Casting usually fixes most of my spell slot concerns, which I think also reduced the main advantage of Specialists or Thassilonian.

[@t2av159]

all are usuable but some are better than others :)

[@richardforde1]

The barbarian is chaotic and the monk is lawful so they're probably not in the same build, re instinctual warrior. Of course correct about the amount of dip. I find it really good on divine casters who aren't offensively casting. If you're going to throw everyone on a pet it doesn't matter as much but for roleplaying reasons you might not. Like you can get a pet for Camellia but there is no way she would be willing to ride a dog so it makes less sense. Cammy taking barbarian levels, yeah I can see that. Especially towards the end game where her underlying personality has more space to come out. Sosiel would ride a dog but he would make it fat by giving it too many treats. Regill would kick the dog to death and shouldn't be given one I always wanted to try cult leader because its just a funny idea but they are a lot of micro. To steal a line, you have more fun as follower but make more money as the cult leader I like elemental specialist because I'm lazy with blaster casters. You pick fire, then you get the mythic ability and then you pick the spells with the biggest numbers. Resistance problem solved forever

[@RaindustZX]

no witch????

[@qgqsrg1]

for brown fur arcanist is there a way to auto buff with the bubble buff mod? if not idk if it's worth it XD

[@psychoal2321]

Can anyone tell me if Ember combining the Witch and Loremaster classes will result in the hexes being weaker than when all 20 levels are Witch?

[@cRPGBro]

Yes, since they only scale based on Witch levels. However, at least for my Ember Build, the reason I go into Loremaster at a certain point is because by then Ember already has the best Hexes and does not need to rely on higher DC for example from Slumber Hex when she has lots of casts for powerful CC spells with vastly higher DC like Greater Command and Overwhelming Presence.

[@psychoal2321]

@@cRPGBro Thanks for the information. I wanted to level Ember so that she goes up Loremaster from level 7 to level 11 to get the additional talents. And from level 16 to level 20 Loremaster again to get a level 8 and a level 9 spell of another class. So she wouldn't have Greater Command with me, but the level 1 variant Command. Apparently my plan for Ember's LevelUp isn't such a good idea after all. Ember is currently level 10 for me and I don't think I can reset it in the "unfair" difficulty level. I have to live with that now because I don't want to change the level of difficulty in my first game "unfair" in between... But thank you for the many ideas that you have shown in your videos. I've already tried a few ideas and I'm very satisfied.

[@yosharian]

You shouldn't be recommending Spawn Slayer because its unique ability doesn't do anything.

[@GreenKnight2001]

WotR = Wrath of the Pets 😂😂

[@notalefty999]

Demon Slayers have no downside? They lose endurance!

[@cRPGBro]

Ah... the pain! 😁

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

When i monk, i do the ray park monk for tripping quarterstaff dunks. Yes, there are no good quarterstaffs by default, thats what buffs are for. Buff the staff, cave in the head.

[@cRPGBro]

Sounds like fun! I have a Staff Master Monk Build here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opDJgoGlhN6UhdE

[@KomamuraSajin1980]

What about The WORST ARCHETYPES for ALL 24 CLASSES? :)

[@KingslayerSrb]

that's easy and needs no video, its basically nearly everything else ;) wotr is one of those games that overwhelms you with illusion of choice, in reality only ~10% of all the options are something you would ever take in any serious playthrough, the rest is garbage

[@dust7001]

But... I hate pet classes with a passion....

[@kabloonuk]

Def rating pets too high.

[@cRPGBro]

They are as OP as it can be, to be fair. Especially when properly buffed, just look at my Pets Guide here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inSziHeIqdGJa5I