Crucial P5 Plus: Should you grab one?

[@ChaosGamingSA]

Awesome video Woot!!! Really digging the new setup and room!!! Congrats man you deserve it!

[@caenan1]

Very infotmative review.... When you do the comparison reviews please throw Rogueware into the mix as they seem to be a lot cheaper than other brands. I run a Rogueware m.2 and the K100 keyboard without any issues

[@Valdaquende]

I appreciated the video but I am puzzled by one thing: there is no discussion of the disparate scores between the two models (P3 vs. P5) I'm looking that the random read/write scores at 6:14 minutes and, unless I am seriously missing something, the P3 outshone P5 in almost every category. The P3's minimum was 1834MB/sec vs. 546MB/sec for the P5. That's 332% higher than the P5 Similarly, the P3's maximum was 2944MB/sec vs. 2244MB/sec for the P5 . That's 31% better than the P5 The P3's average speed was 2830MB/sec compared to 2034MB/sec for the P5 . Here again, the P3 is is 39% faster Again, I am possibly missing something; please enlighten me. One would think that the P5's performance ought to be better than that of the P3; something on the order of 25% better. considering that it is about 25% more expensive. But that doesn't appear to be true here. Again, please tell me what I'm missing. Thanks for the time and energy you spent making this video.

[@WootDini]

Hey Thank you for this :) So your observations are 100% correct. However the issue is something that I did by mistake in the P3 had a fresh install and the P5 was on a saturated system. I think I did mention this in one of the videos but I should have highlighted it again. However even with the performance difference (even if the numbers were evenly correct) the P5 is a better buy purely because of its Dram. The P5 has dram and the P3 does not. Alot of reviewers are going on about dram being pointless which is misinformation. Dram increases the speed when the drive is saturated. Also one thing that's forgotten is the dram increases the life of the drive. To explain in an analogy, the P3 in these test was an empty Nissan vs the P5 was a BMW that had more passengers. The Nissan out accelerated the BMW because of the unfair weight. The BMW will be better in top speed eventually and it will go further. This is why benchmarks can sometimes be misleading. If you look at my video on the T700 it kills everything, but when it was tested in real world it was on part with the best PCIe4. It is my fault for not giving the P5 the same environment as the P3 and for that I apologize

[@ALeXXH8R]

What the hack with sound level? Impossible to watch!

[@WootDini]

Sounds fine to me ?

[@ALeXXH8R]

@@WootDini Sorry something went wrong with my earphones. My problem.

[@Grainsauce]

Really thorough and detailed review and info on how SSD's perform and operate

[@WootDini]

Thanks so much :)

[@AllThreads]

Does its 1 TB version have the same TWB value of 1200TB?...Also is its temperature on the good side in a laptop while playing games of extraction files around 100gb?

[@WootDini]

Hey. I'll have to check specs but a higher capacity generally means more TBW. And temps will be fine. Just make sure it's got some form of heat sync or if you don't have a heat sync don't mount above GPU as the radiant heat artificially increases the heat

[@WootDini]

Soz u said laptop. Heat will be fine

[@marcs9320]

Thanks for your videos! I appreciate your ability to explain what it is and and why it matters in a relatable way. I am old school tech so the clarity you offer is perfect. Please keep it up and thanks again for the great videos.

[@WootDini]

You are so welcome! :) glad it makes a difference and helps. Education is a major aspect for me as its important people can understand what they are purchasing and not just blindly buying the "box literature" :)

[@SloppyGoat]

Don't try to use them to back up any big data. Those things overheat so badly, it's almost impossible to use them. I've always been a Crucial fan, but pretty much not anymore. All they've done is blame my machines, my equipment and, my knowledge. 😠😠😠 I finally had to put them in some ASUS Tuf enclosures, but that's really overkill for anything. That's 146 g of metal heat sink there!! Which is a hell of a lot more than anything Crucial sells as a heat sink. And guess what? They still fail all the goddamn time, when used in even a really good enclosure. Once you start trying to back up like 700 gb, they're going to fail, either because of the heat, or they'll just randomly fail. 👎👎👎

[@WootDini]

Ai sorry this happened to you. Have you tried to return them and find out if you had a bad batch ? Honestly never had an issue with crucial especially on heat.

[@SloppyGoat]

@@WootDini Yes, I swapped them out a few times, for new warranty replacements. Same problems.

[@sebastianvargas5023]

Hello m8, Should I get this p5 plus for gaming, or p3 plus. Could I notice the speed difference? It is like 16€ cheaper Thank you

[@bread5358]

i have no clue about SSD at all. could you please tell me a good SSD for the PS5 that is under $150?

[@shaow1789]

its the fastest you can get atm for a ps5 . there is samsung bit more expensive but bit faster as in this one is 6600 speed and the samsung 980 pro is 7000mb speed . legit no diffrence barely you cant tell.

[@bread5358]

@@shaow1789 thanks for ur answer. I completely forgot about this comment. I ended up buying the WD sn850x 2TB for a little more money

[@namelessone5968]

I'm new to this kinds of SSDs, would this work well on an MSI B550 A-Pro motherboard?

[@heyitsjel]

Great review; the NM 790's are speedy drives for sure - I've got some in my NAS along with P3 Plus's (2x NM790 4tb's, 2x P3 Plus 4tb's). Both drives seem to be doing well to date, without complaints. One thing that has concerned me - which consumers may not have thought about - is potential for data corruption courtesy of HMB. While I'm not entirely up-to-speed on the finer details of HMB, I guess one concern is if someone is running these nvme's in a system with overclocked ram (ie. anything outside JEDEC specs... like our XMP profiles), then there's chance for RAM instability/corruption to occur with regards to writing/reading of the L2P (logical to physical) table and FWB (fast write buffer) for the HMB. This is something that seems far less likely with JEDEC spec DRAM on-board (ie. 2133MT DDR4 is pretty easy stuff to "get right" these days). Now, companies like Phison (who make controllers for many DRAM and DRAM-less drives), suggest they have ways to combat things like data corruption due to system memory; power loss etc. via their proprietary firmware. If I had to guess, they would write *multiple* copies of the L2P table and FWB to system RAM (ie. at least duplicate; possibly triplicate), then do a compare (parity check) prior to writing the data to the NAND. If any bits are wrong in the parity check; it probably repeats the copy process (or relies on the 2 bits that are the same to be the "true" values).

[@WootDini]

Heya thanks for the in depth reply :) I'm not a fan of HMB currently because it over works an SSD. But OC on ram always runs a risk for corruption but that is standard and can even happen on base. The best practice right now is utilizing the best components for intended use. What raid settings do you have on these drives? That would be my main concern for the setup

[@GoWstingray]

Depending on the system you are testing in, there could be situations where the P3 Plus could out perform the P5 Plus, if you have a new higher end PC with DDR 5 say 6000 plus, the Dramless SSDs using HMB can actually have an advantage over the slower dd4 used for cache. If the rest of the drive is capable you can get some great results like WD Black SN770, beating out the SN850x in some tests. Not every situation will be great but it makes you think will HMB be preferred soon or will DDR 5 start being used, even gen 5 drives use 4GB of DDR 4 so not sure if it s the amount or the speed that has the biggest effect on performance.

[@WootDini]

Heya :) Really nice comment. DDR5 will be adopted in a year or so. But the issue with HMB is they are sporadic gains. They are very unpredictable and it requires specific testing. So you can in a lab prove the worth of HMB BUT: the issue sits on lifecycle. Dram maps a drive better always so the node switch is not as frequent as HMB, as soon as you turn off your PC , HMB maps disappear and has to remap on boot, it puts unnecessary cycles on the flash which lessens it's life. The argument can be made for both, but for me dram is still superior

[@thomas1699]

Talk more about channels available for use by the drive. Q?: Will this Gen 4 Drive operate at competitive Gen 3 speeds. (The board and the drive are compatible.)

[@WootDini]

Heya 100% it's just sometimes difficult to answer all the questions :) Gen 4 and gen 3 are interfaces limited by the cpu and motherboard. They are all backwards and forward compatible. So gen4 drive will work on gen 3 motherboard but the speed will be limited to the speed of gen 3 (if the SSD is faster than gen 3 max)

[@thomas1699]

@@WootDini Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate it.

[@WootDini]

most welcome :)

[@zoom7385]

very educational thank you

[@CaptainScorpio24]

brother i bought this p5 plus today. its working and showing up fine. i even installed its driver from the websites but it's not showing up in device manager detail that its storage control is by micron 😮😮 its driver installation went absolutely fine but still isnt showing up rather showing the standard Microsoft driver 😮😮😮. please help what is going on with me

[@CaptainScorpio24]

@@WootDini its orginal nvme driver which i downloaded from crucial website isnt showing up in device manger under properties then driver. its showing as standard Microsoft driver instead of micron storage driver(which downloaded and installed)

[@CaptainScorpio24]

@@WootDini driver brings stability to nvme there is reason why i bought this drive. im already using 970 evo plus which has its own nvme driver

[@pisderata]

would be too hot for laptop?

[@WootDini]

Will be fine :) laptops generally have cooling for nvmes

[@cakeisalie]

I got the 1TB for $38 steal deal!

[@Sercer25]

where from?

[@Sercer25]

@@WootDini Missed that price then, just paid $54 after taxes for 1TB. Also missed out on the 5800X3D for $279. Gotta up my pennypinching game.

[@Sercer25]

@@WootDiniThanks, boet!

[@Liverwatfor]

Should I get the p5 plus or go for the 980 pro what do you think keep in mind I'm using a b550 mobo just want your opinion seen as I'm new to this stuff

[@Liverwatfor]

@@WootDini alright man thanks your quite an underrated channel

[@Liverwatfor]

@@WootDini I hope you do

[@thischannelisdeleted]

$122 NOW!

[@polla2256]

£99.99 for 2 TB now

[@gabrielgutierrez6086]

55 prime day. Is it the same as this?

[@jonathonabel1548]

​@@gabrielgutierrez6086$55 for the 1tb $94 for the 2tb with heat sink included

[@r4ng3rst]

what about the temperatures? I have this ssd and I see 55 degrees at idle and 65-70 degrees at load. Are these temperatures normal even though I use the heatsink of my msi pro 660m-a motherboard?

[@technodust7833]

@@WootDini plastic covering? But should it be removed?

[@sensereference2227]

@@technodust7833 Be careful not to remove the sticker on the SSD itself. Only remove the sticker on the heatsink (it should say remove on it).