Cruella: The Huge Problem with Prequels

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Cruella (2021) is Disney's latest attempt to revitalize an old brand: 101 Dalmatians. Emma Stone and Emma Thompson do their best, and give engaging performances in the movie, but ultimately the film is dragged down by having to be a prequel at all. Here is why.
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[@captainmidnight]

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[@trinaq]

It was alright, but Emma Stone and Emma Thompson's performances made it a thousand times more watchable and entertaining! 🖤🤍

[@ArnoldiiSaurus]

It's great

[@Sabrosas]

I havent watched the original, but I liked it

[@harank3828]

I loved it and it is the best live action adpatation

[@pandastical9205]

A movie that no one asked for, and doesn’t need to exist

[@Econofit1998]

I'm just waiting for the Finding Nemo prequel that reveals the barracuda from the opening scene was actually a good guy

[@zenbrown7144]

Guys gotta eat.

[@lordgameboy1303]

And that clownfish killed his parents

[@DeathKitta]

he had babies to feed!!

[@unixmoon4842]

Or where we find out the girl w braces had aquarium fish poison her family the week before her first visit to the office

[@kimtaehyungshandsomeface5958]

i bet starvation led the barracuda to its tragedy

[@simplycande]

Disney: let's make a movie about Cruella. But she has to be relatable. Also, she can't smoke or wear any fur..

[@ivanvereyn9685]

But she can be blackout drunk on work 😏

[@francisabellana445]

I accepted that change cuz fur is not the only fashion genre we all have different opinions

[@TheDeathmail]

@@francisabellana445 To be fair, fur is kinda an outdated thing now... but it was also used to show how evil Cruella was...

[@Jaxan-dq2jy]

Yeah that's kinda the point. I believe that characters can change depending on time that passes, like how myths and urban legends change as they are retold. I don't let a different interpretation of a character influence how much I like a movie as long as the movie is enjoyable. Granted this movie could have and probably would have been a lot better it it was just an original story. I personally like cruella as a standalone movie more than I 101 Dalmatians prequel. The original cruella was bad for seemingly no reason but that's all she needed to be in context of the original movies.

[@DANIELGORMANN]

do yall know the meaning of an 'origin story'

[@grfrjiglstan]

"How do we make the woman that wants to kill dalmatians sympathetic?" "Hmm...what if her mother was killed by dalmatians?" "...Someone give this guy a raise."

[@bluecorp8557]

And in the end none of them seem to be as evil as killing dogs. They own dogs themselves!

[@abcddef2112]

Tbf I mean why do we put dog so much more above other animals? We kill other animal for fur and other uses. Why should dog be treated special? Other than it is a western culture.

[@bluecorp8557]

@@abcddef2112 because most of America use dogs as pets and dogs are one of the most helpful pets. They can save your life and smell danger.

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

Wow wow wow wow wow wow.

[@grfrjiglstan]

@@abcddef2112 If someone killed raccoons for fun, we'd still see them as a psychopath. People don't like to see anyone enjoying the murder of animals.

[@eastsidereviews727]

For me, it's the weird obsession that people have with having to make a villain sympathetic or misunderstood. Sometimes, people are just trash and for a story, that's all we need. We know Cruella is going to grow old, kill a bunch of animals for their fur, steal folks puppies for that same purpose, and just be a lousy person. LIke, what is the point of trying to get us to feel bad or root for her when we know what she's going to be. Prequels can work, but I'm just exhausted with these live action Disney movie remakes and if people don't have some self control and not watch, we'll keep getting them.

[@blerksnarfgut2766]

Exactly! I'm not sure what the ultimate goal was in trying to make Maleficent good because it just meant another character (King Stefan) got to be the villain, or now with Cruella De Vil, in transferring the villainy from Cruella to the Baroness. Someone's always got to be the bad guy so why not just leave the bad guys as they were in their original stories/movies? Making evil characters good in no way makes them more interesting imo, it just makes things unnecessarily confusing when comparing the original version of a villain with the new good guy version because plot points or characteristics are either altered or eliminated completely. It's stupid.

[@darlalathan6143]

I think the reasons are "gangsta" media, cynicism and true crime documentaries. Lots of people identified with Robin Hood-type bandits, Wild West outlaws and Caribbean pirates in legends, dime novels, pulps and movies, for robbing the rich and giving to the poor. After Prohibition and the Great Depression, movie audiences admired gangsters in movies for macho violence, rebelling against puritanical authority and rising from rags-to-riches, selling bootleg alcohol to a 70% drinker population. Half of all adults were bullied in childhood, so many people admire Solo Armies as role models. Lots of people lost their homes and businesses to bank panics or foreclosure, so they looked up to bank robbers as their role models. This is why normal human villains are getting sympathetic origin stories and the "antihero" status. Rebellion and wish-fulfillment. Watergate , Vietnam War and the War On Drugs turned much of the public against the government, and caused an increase in gangster (especially Mafia and Latinx drug cartel) movies, for their ethnic crime bosses' rise to wealth and power. Part of drug dealers' appeal is that 70% of USA population have tried marijuana and 60% of our prison population are nonviolent first-time drug users. "Gangsta " rap is a style of music with gangster and juvenile delinquent movie lyrics, by former gang bangers and drug dealers turned rich celebrity musicians from marginalized groups. It appeals to both poor and middle class young people, due to the above wish fulfillment, rebellion and suburban boredom. The true crime mystery genre often shows the origins of famous criminals, such as gangsters and serial killers, who attract audience morbid curiosity with their rare extreme violence and mental health issues. Poverty and child abuse are very common origins of real-life offenders. Ethnic oppression and mental illness are very sympathetic motives in a multicultural society with a 25% neurodiverse population. The latter reason is part of the appeal of psychological thrillers, which show the mental illness or rather, stress-related violence of serial killers. Fractured Fairy Tales, such as Maleficent, "Wicked" and now "Cruella" come from increasing public knowledge via the internet, of the original, pre-Disney versions of fairy tales, which all children's fantasy media are based on. Fairy tales used to be gory Cautionary Tales about nursery bogies, such as Big Bad Wolves, Wicked Witches and Evil Stepmothers, for adults and later pre-teen children to Scare 'Em Straight, so they wouldn't wander off into the woods and risk animal attack, highway robbery, drowning in waterways or serial killers. Cynical audiences may disbelieve their childhood moral lessons in these old stories and identify more with the villains and monsters. They may also sympathize with wolves and witches because of environmentalism and neopaganism. Wolves are an endangered species. Witch hunts killed large numbers of innocent women as scapegoats for crop failures, erectile dysfunction, due to religious fundamentalists.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@blerksnarfgut2766 i think this can all be solved if you forget that this is a prequel and see it as it's own thing imo

[@visattojaner6639]

They dont try to make you sympathize for her she literally committed crime, kidnapped dogs, got her mother arrested and stole everything she had including her workers, mansion, fame, dogs, and riches AND even announced she was evil through her monologue

[@doenaldjonathan862]

@@visattojaner6639 Most people always sympathize with Batman when he's in BG a bad father by adopting kids and turning them into side kicks. Even the Jason Todd thing, where he died because of Batman. Why do you think that is? They believe he's acting out due to his traffic childhood. Even Alfred says it multiple times. A tragic back story always gets people to sympathize with the character, even if they turned into evil incarnate.

[@techwiz81]

I saw people tweeting about the Dalmatians killing her mom and assumed it was a joke

[@MrTurtleMusic]

It’s pretty much a joke cuz the movie doesn’t make that motive

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

Post joke world. If it can be made to be cynical and fauxgresive then it'll happen eventually. I can make a joke like there will be a bewitched show reboot and this one character will be made gay just because the previous actor of the same character sounded what we consider today be gay and they'll perpetuate that stereotype just so they can act like they're justified making the switch despite acting like they're so against stereotypes

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[@trekkiedave7910]

The clip is online - it’s frickin hilarious! Who comes up with this shit? Is it really necessary that her mother be killed by Dalmatians? Really necessary?? It’s just sooo ridiculous!!

[@juanitacanon3120]

@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 what

[@TheElizondo88]

Still looking foward to that Izma prequel where she works as an intern for Kuzco's great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather.

[@booktales1687]

Plot twist: the great grandfather fed her parents to a llama

[@annebruecks7381]

I might watch that 😂

[@dedalionarts6077]

@@booktales1687 Disney: that's , NOT "politicly correckt". "The Grandfaughter selling her parents, to get an llama, to ride on" ... There, much more "kid friendly " with mean's, more money, and merchendise for us 😁

[@zalybrainlessgenius503]

Honestly, I'd watch Izma anything

[@sadasela]

Ms Laura Bozo HAS to play Yzma. She's literally the real life version of her 😂

[@SoraYoshi182]

It would have made more sense as a prequel to The Devil wears Prada.

[@katharineelizabeth7689]

Now that I'd actually like to see

[@madeofcastiron]

@@katharineelizabeth7689 i'd definitely love a movie about miranda priestly (or anything about the devil wears prada because it's so good)

[@AaronBowley]

honestly that’s what I thought this was no matter how much it tries to shove dogs down my throat

[@jaxkommish]

It is. They just couldnt sell it that way.

[@msmander87]

The Devil Before Prada lol I would watch that

[@isabelzuka4438]

I feel like it could be an amazing movie, if it was about an original character. I know Disney did it because Cruella is a famous name and iconic character but I personally would've preferred if they just made it about an original character

[@danielramsey6141]

Exactly!

[@ambert.3792]

i honestly believe it WAS about someone/thing else all together originally. i think disney squished it into an existing property for name recognition.

[@jliller]

Heck, lean into the IP by having her named after the character for 101 Dalmations.

[@fishraposo7192]

They should have went the joker route and just not tie it into anything. But they tried to have their cake and it eat it

[@stevencontreras84]

But it is good...you shoud watch it

[@Hououin_Kyoma]

"Who murdered her with dalmatians...." that's a sentence I've never heard.

[@annabellehe4307]

Dalmatians are pretty vicious lol

[@Destroyer2150]

I never though being dropkicked by dalmations could be a cause of death.

[@annabellehe4307]

@@Destroyer2150 lmaooooo WHAT that's how they animated it???? XD

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[@ultraprincesskenny6790]

@@annabellehe4307 it just jumped on her on a cliff

[@GenerationWest]

Alright, NEVER heard of the 101 Dalmatians sequel book... And I can see why, because what the hell was that?!

[@Joecbg100]

Cocaine wrote it. Sounds like a prequel to CATS!!!

[@IcyDiamond]

You think that’s messed up? Ariel died at the end of her original story

[@mitchellquestlove6820]

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[@IcyDiamond]

@@mitchellquestlove6820 So you who has a Cruella profile picture, linked a video about why it’s a mediocre movie

[@stickershock66]

It sounds as loopy as the equally-bizarre Iron Giant/Man sequel book The Iron Woman.

[@lonelygoat2716]

The scene of the Dalmatians killing her mom is always hilarious to me

[@thatsjonah]

I LAUGHED OUT LOUD IN THE THEATER

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

God i looked up this scene here on yt after seeing comments and it made me laugh so hard, i was in tears for a good 10 minutes after watching that scene, but when it should've been tears of sadness for Cruella's mother it was tears of laughter because of how funny the scene was.

[@ryanb4940]

@@Daniel-wz3yv go watch the movie instead of just an out of context clip. People hating on the movie are going into it wanting to hate it.

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

@@ryanb4940 I don't think i need context to find that scene hilarious, no matter how much people insist there's a sad background story or whatever the scene is what it is and for me it's just comical that they thought making a dog drop kick a woman down a cliff would be tragic instead of funny as hell. And i never said i hate this movie, it's more like i only care about it enough to joke about that scene on the internet and i definitely don't have any plans of watching it.

[@floweyfangirl69420]

@@Daniel-wz3yv not to say it has an emotional backstory, but if you tryyy to forget it's about cruella, it's a really entertaining movie to watch

[@hopperthemarxist8533]

People should look up and read “how the death of mid budget cinema left a generation of film makers Mia” - the reason studios do this is because of market decentralization which made massive studios. They never take risks because they want guaranteed returns. One thing that irritates me also is that these origin stories so often focus on petty personal rivalries and how specific traumas shape people but it carefully elides the broader social and class context. The old 101 Dalmatians actually had more of a class element than the prequel. If Emma stone is going to become to woman in the animation, she also has to have those same mannerisms ,. Which she really doesn’t so it doesn’t feel continuous

[@IcyDiamond]

101 likes!

[@Clay3613]

Okay Jay from RLM...put down the phone.

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

@@Clay3613 Jay from what?

[@t.l3846]

@@RodrickMarsMoon red letter media, the best film reviewers out there except for RICH EVANS

[@BananaPhoPhilly]

@@Clay3613 Jay is right about modern cinema tho

[@emp9413]

Its kinda offensive that Disney changed the villain from spoiled rich person to poor orphans lol

[@glorygloryholeallelujah]

The only trend I dislike more than *”live action remakes”* .... is when they try to *”humanize”* previous villains. 😒

[@VegimorphtheMovieBoy]

Yeah, I had that same problem as well. The concept that they present in the film I did find to be an intriguing one though. If they had done it with original characters and kept most everything else, I think it could be really great. But because its Cruella and the other characters from 101 Dalmatians, its a bit distracting

[@shawerful5209]

Maleficent is both

[@aaronbreslin6238]

I like learning the tragedy after in cases like Vaders but you cant understand a villain if their actual backstory is so up in the air like this one🤷‍♂️😂

[@curranfrank2854]

Nah, at least it's something more original than literally the same movie but with CGI instead of animation

[@littlered6340]

100% agreed, OP. People don't get how I could love Disney villains as much as I do, but not want to see them "humanized" in movies like this, and I just have *no* desire for this type of content. Every time something like this comes out I have to tell a ton of people I am not going to watch it. I do hope this trend passes and they move forward with more original content instead.

[@donaldpetersen2382]

Ah the modern Star Trek approach: Attempt to force itself into too many cannon timelines so badly no one considers it cannon.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Ah, the modern Star Wars/Spongebob approach, where they attempt to force in and retcon shit to the point where the universe inevitably falls apart if you think about it too hard.

[@dawn8293]

To boldly go where we have already gone before.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

@@eatatjoes6751 I mean, Spongebobs canon is tenuous at best anyway.

[@TheElizondo88]

I wouldn't consider this a prequel, but Disney did make a terrible mistake by trying to reference the animated and tying as much as possible together. This should stuck to a punk-rock version of The Devil Wears Prada in which Emily Blunt's character goes off the deep end after being cast aside and kept at that.

[@dimitrescu182]

*Emma Stone

[@kb-ih7ni]

@@dimitrescu182 I think they really meant Emily Blunt’s character in DWP, as in the first assistant to Miranda, who was cast aside.

[@dimitrescu182]

@@kb-ih7ni my bad, I haven't seen DWP.

[@iamtheruraljuror9257]

I actually wanted a good British actress to play Emma Stone's role.. But since Emily Blunt is already Mary Poppins...so cast an American instead? Don't get me wrong... I love Emma Stone. Shes really good at playing snarky roles like in The Favourite. But did she fit the part? I really doubt it. I mean how do you translate from awkward & clumsy to unreedemingly evil?

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

Agreed it actually could have worked if they just made it one of those spin-off movies were the villain character is good for some reason. Like where Dracula is a Detective

[@TheLithp]

Of all the reasons this live action remake trend is bad, two stand out to me: First, they feel like they're scrabbling. Is this project about sympathetic villain backstories, like Maleficent? Is it straight remakes with a few tweaks, like Aladdin? Is it completely alternate versions, like Mulan? Honestly, I think the straight remakes are the "best," simply because they don't weirdly butcher the stories, which leads me to the Maleficient-Cruella Problem: If you're going to make a prequel movie about the villain, why not just DO THAT? The dumb dalmation murder plot point almost makes sense if they ACTUALLY have Cruella turn the dogs into a coat as revenge, but they can't do that, because that ruins the kid-friendly girl boss thing they're going for. But if they really feel the need to make it kid-friendly & sympathetic, just pick another villain. Dr. Facilier, for instance, has that backstory they want. He's someone who grew up poor & turned to his "friends on the other side" to get rich. There's even convoluted but unexplored lore with his mother you could build around, with one version of the script saying he's Mama Odie's son &, of course, the line in the movie implying he had a distant royal connection with a mother whose head he shrunk. That sounds like a really interesting story can be built around that! And he's definitely dripping with 1920's style. Want something more modern? No problem, forget the prequel thing, make it a sequel where he gets out of the underworld in modern times! My point here is, PAY ME MONEY, DISNEY!

[@ugosmith7529]

That would involve effort to match plot and character backstory and that's not something they are willing to do. They've marketed nostalgia to a point they can half ass an existing IP and still make a ton of profit because people will just see it anyways

[@rattyeely]

I was just writing a thing about how Dr. Failicer has a pretty sympathetic backstory, I would actually like a prequel based on him

[@inferiorinferno8859]

There is also a book out there that is is an imagined prequel to Peter Pan, centering Captain Hook that genuinely works. They literally only need to require the rights. Peter Pan is considered as a tale of the selfishness of childhood and he doesn't understands things like how the lost boys needed their parents. In this story, those elements are much more played into. Hook was actually a lost boy, implied to be the first and was the closest thing the other boys had to a responsible older brother. Peter's selfishness for wanting playmates on an actually very dangerous island often led to various boys getting killed. Hook was the one who did things like burying the other kids and it has taken a toll on him. Then Peter brings in a boy who is about 4. Obviously he's too young to survive on Neverland and Peter tries to get him killed in a game several times. That was the final straw for Hook and he slowly grew disillusioned with Peter. Then after another massacre diminished the number of lost boys Peter brought in a few more. Amongst them is actually a girl who's been pretending to be a boy and binding her developping chest because back in those days it was easier to survive as a boy on the streets. After the truth comes out and the remaining lost boys along with Hook start treating her like a girl, she and Hook fall for one another. They begin dreaming of escaping Neverland together and taking the little boy with them to form a family back in the real world which is overheard by Tinkerbell. She rats them out, their escape plan gets destroyed and a rebellion starts. Hook, the girl and the other boys end up killing all fairies as well as a species of gigantic spiders that used to live on Neverland so they can save the little boy from the spiders only to find themselves being hunted down by Peter. Aside from the little boy, only one other lost boy then Hook makes it out alive and the girl was eaten alive by the crocodile because Peter quite literally throws them to the animal as a feast. Peter curses Hook with immortality and to be trapped on the island forever as an adult. Because if Hook doesn't wants to be his best friend, then he will play with Hook as an enemy. Hook, the 4 year old and the last surviving lost boy join the pirates, dead set on revenge. Hook continues to say that he doesn't cares about killing kids, just one in particular and that as time passed, Peter went on to treat the new lost boys better like occasionally allowing someone to go back home but sometimes Peter still will be his old self and not care when kids are dying (as Hook's rebellion did serve as a lesson for Peter). Now that was an imagined backstory for Hook that actually made sense for both charracters and the story in general. Peter being a neglicent, selfish little shit is already canon so previous lost boys having turnt on him after a series of tragedies genuinely sounds plausible on it's own, even without Hook having been one. But making Hook their leader does fit his character and fleshes out why he hates Peter with a burning passion.

[@kileychristianson3868]

@@inferiorinferno8859 what's the title??

[@booktales1687]

@@inferiorinferno8859 you can’t just drop an incredible premise like that without the title.

[@karnielcashumphries683]

Honestly if they had just made completely new characters with the same story it would have been so much better.

[@LuisGustavoSO]

Right, but then it would have been called a rip-off of The Devil Wears Prada

[@karnielcashumphries683]

@@LuisGustavoSO True but it still would have worked better than this

[@Megatron-xs2qe]

Here’s an idea, instead of having Baroness as Cruella’s mother, why not just have Baroness be Cruella herself and Emma Stone be a new character but as the daughter? The plot could’ve been the same but with Emma finding out Cruella’s her mother and struggles with herself to not become evil like her. At least then making her sympathetic wouldn’t have been so distasteful and could’ve still made a Cruella de Vil movie but have Cruella’s character left as it originally was.

[@lookbehindyourback6910]

I know right, disney can use the ip for name recognition and the story still make sense and in character, really weird no one at disney thinking it like this, and it could be an au like all the remake simp insist all the remake to be

[@Drfry155]

Omg love it

[@DANIELGORMANN]

how was the movie 'distasteful' LMAO

[@Megatron-xs2qe]

@@DANIELGORMANN why don’t you figure it out

[@DANIELGORMANN]

@@Megatron-xs2qe so you don't have an explanation? great, says a lot.

[@TheInspirationalMind]

How long is it going to take Disney to realize that their recent live-action reboots / remakes / prequels AREN’T what people want? It’s honestly driving me nuts.

[@beez7694]

says a straight male-

[@TheInspirationalMind]

@@beez7694 What does that have to do with anything?

[@bubsbuben914]

@@beez7694 Damn you really are trying to make someone's opinions seem lesser due to things they can't control. You're a horrid person if you genuinely think like this.

[@ridgenyan-botxv367]

To honestly answer your question: when this crap stops making money

[@Bojoschannel]

Because this crap still sells well, sadly

[@KwadDamyj]

It's current-year Disney we're talking about. Isn't that enough of a death curse?

[@mitchellquestlove6820]

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[@Rhamsody]

IT CERTAINLY IS.

[@alexmaysse607]

@@mitchellquestlove6820 I really thought you were gonna rickroll us

[@jorgevazquez1197]

Bad batch just dropped lol

[@poisonedyoyo]

It seems like after the script fror Aladdin they were like, "Yay, we made a movie Aladdin fans will love, now let's make sure allt he movies that comeafter this the fans of the original will either hate orjust accept even though it has nothing to do with the original! Let's erase Mushu, let's make POngo and Perdita brother and sister, let's do something absolutely terrible in The Little Mermaid no one will exepct! Hee hee hee!" That's modern Disney for you. And before you say, "What about the Lion King's script?" It was lifted from the original. Literally. They probably didn't even have to make a written copy of it, they knew the lines so well by heart, well maybe not the cast, I'm thinking more the director and whever's idea it was to accept that as a project they could release to the public.

[@dallinferguson994]

"If you look at this film as something it objectively isn't, you'll enjoy it" Lol at the mental gymnastics in these comments. The film doesn't work because of the source material it's drawing from, end of story. Had this been an original property, it COULD have worked but 101 Dalmatians was a book before it was a movie, and the character really isn't open to interpretation at all. She's statically, immovably, irredeemably evil in the established canon. She's SUPPOSED to be one-dimensional. That's the point. You can't make that mesh with this and have it make sense and it shows. If you enjoyed the film and think Emma Stone did a great job, that's fine, but the fact that it's a misguided film that doesn't make sense isn't a matter of opinion.

[@floweyfangirl69420]

I loved the movie and I agre 100% with you.

[@ThePonderer]

Pointing out that it’s a different canon isn’t “mental gymnastics,” it’s just...a fact.

[@Birdyboys]

@@ThePonderer except that it still intends to be a prequel lol

[@ThePonderer]

@@Birdyboys it very clearly does not.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@Birdyboys yeah but it's not mental gymnastics either to pretend it isn't i guess

[@imveritasproductions]

I just don't get why disney is trying to turn a horrible and disgusting person into a feminist icon

[@sabrinasjourney]

....Lol

[@weeaboojones2451]

This movie had the exact same problem that Joker did, except that the Joker character has been re-written so many times that it doesn't matter if someone comes up with a whole new version of it. In Cruella's case, the problem is far more obvious because the character is so straight forward that people right away felt disoriented with this interpretation.

[@danielramsey6141]

Because there's Never been another version of Her! Even the 1996 live action film is a translation of the animated characters.

[@weeaboojones2451]

@@danielramsey6141 both movies share the same flaw, you could never expect Arthur Fleck to be a challenge for Batman and you could never see these characters in Cruella killing and skinning puppies

[@danielramsey6141]

​@@weeaboojones2451 And yet, I can see Arthur Fleck do it. Why? Because of the events in "The Killing Joke". The desperate Man that became the Joker by accident was just a normal guy who found himself in progressively worse situations before falling into the Acme Vat that changed him into the Malicious force of Chaos that he is. While Arthur Fleck didn't fall into the same Vat, he no doubt became Joker through his experiences with Society and its indifference towards him. The Joker Movie was just that, tell us another story of "What" could've been his Origin, the only thing is, that instead of them trying to make this version of Joker be its own thing. Its still tied into the narrative with Batman.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

@@weeaboojones2451 yes you can see Arthur fleck challenge batman?. Because jokers thing as never been physical its always been his madness and charisma which the movie shows us in the ebd

[@weeaboojones2451]

@@danielramsey6141 Well yeah, I can definitely see Arthur's motivations and insanity but he doesn't have a criminal mind, how can he challenge the "greatest detective" if he's borderline retarded? Maybe after the riots Arthur becomes the criminal that we all know (afterall his personality changed after he stopped taking his meds) but that's just headcanon, during the movie there's no indication that Arthur is ingelligent in any way. Even so, I think that the connection between Joker and the Batman universe is disjointed, but at least you can see it, Cruella has absolutely nothing to do with the classic character, which was my original point.

[@a-aron4148]

If you haven’t been in the last 5 years Hot Topic is literally the new Disney Store so any Disney property would do well with the Hot Topic crowd lol

[@maineman5757]

Is this a prequel? I thought it was like a "reimagining" basically being a new character from the cartoon version. I haven't seen it but I've heard some people say that.

[@ThePonderer]

It’s NOT a prequel, at all. Leave any expectations of it functioning as such at the door.

[@CNXNetwork]

It is not a prequel.

[@kimtaehyungshandsomeface5958]

@@ThePonderer indeed, i bet they will remake 101 Dalmatians with new Anita and Roger.

[@youmadornahhh]

It’s not a prequel at all. It’s a reimagining of the story from the perspective of a popular character. Same as Maleficent. However, I’m my opinion, there is room for the Cruella in this film to turn into the Cruella from the 1991 LA or the animated version.

[@lorenzbackup7024]

i think they should have run with that and to make it more clear call it like Spotted a cruella story or smth of that manor

[@Nassit-Gnuoy]

Who tf actually wanted to see an origin story about Cruella Deville?

[@ryanb4940]

I did and it was fucking awesome lol

[@MrTurtleMusic]

@@ryanb4940 same here!!!!

[@BiggerR10]

@@ryanb4940 You think this movie is good? 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@BiggerR10 it's stupid to think that people who enjoy a certain thing are stupid, (unless the thing they enjoy damages others) so just fucking let him enjoy the film m8

[@AnonymOus-ss9jj]

I kinda did, but would've preferred the true Cruella.

[@dylanhohn3713]

Instead of being new and innovative, writing strong female characters. The just try to humanize a character whose name is cruel devil. Who wants to skin puppies for a coat.

[@fishraposo7192]

That's because women can never be evil, just misunderstood

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@fishraposo7192 Kinda pushing your insecurities on the movie a little don't you think

[@heroncolby2842]

@@demonking-zm3rs He was poking at the modern feminist narrative...

[@nominaldegree7614]

@@heroncolby2842 y’all reading a little too much into this. Jesus.

[@dylanhohn3713]

No let's break this down narratively lol. 101 dalmatians is a kids movie. It establishes a basic moral guideline through character interactions. This is not a character or person driven plot. So any attempt to add a third dimension is futile. The characters are representations of human actions or behaviours taken to hyperbole. The characters are a set of archetypes used convey a complex set of emotions and behaviours. Each character has a purpose. Cruelas purpose is to be the villain. The example of bad human behaviour taken to it's extreme. So why humanize the literal depiction of evil?

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

Does every fashion movie require a Stan Tucci character?

[@whyisntitpossible404]

Yes, it's written in the constitution.

[@arjunmanoj2155]

So in conclusion- if you think it's a prequel/puppykiller origin story, it's bad... But as a reimagining/alternate take on the character (one in which she DOESN'T in fact kill the dogs, though she came very close to), it's actually pretty good.

[@Jadorelainie]

This is the take.

[@enegmatixerebro]

The huge problem is Disney thinking people are gonna drop $30 on this I'd rather buy a combo at McDonald's or somewhere yummy for the same price. At least then I'd be satisfied. (I'm adding to the mayhem of tilting. It's just funny) But that's just me. Don't get tilted now. I said don't get tilted lmao fair warning to the easily triggered

[@ThePonderer]

So far they’re not exactly proven wrong...

[@getmeouttahere1209]

People do that at the theater so I think Disney isn’t wrong for doing what’s been done since the 2000s. theater tickets for my small family is well over 30 bucks. Watching it at home and then buying your own movie snacks is legitimately the same price range as a theater.

[@GenerationWest]

Well, it actually works, extremely well for them though.

[@djangounchained9387]

Be realistic. You want them to sell a brand new movie for like 10$? Cmon now.

[@wallywest4727]

I went to cinema for it, no way was i paying the D+ price and i won't for any of their "premium" content.

[@mikaela2833]

I clicked so fast coz someone told me the movie's actually really good that it made him cry, so this is interesting.

[@ThePonderer]

It’s a real solid movie if you accept that it *does not care* about being a prequel to any existing source material. It’s a movie about a character named Cruella, but it’s NOT a Cruella movie. Y’know...like Joker.

[@daa589]

@@ThePonderer hmm must be like maleficent. Really enjoyed it for what it was. Disney's live action universe is different from the animated universe. (At least that's what I tell myself 😂)

[@daa589]

Which is different from their home release universe hahahah

[@GellertTV]

@@ThePonderer No don't bring up Joker in this, I'm telling everyone, it's an origin story, they may not show the exact same mannerisms but it's up to us or a 101 dalmatians remake/Sequel to see them act the same

[@freedominart11]

@@ThePonderer how can you accept something that the movie never set out to do? The video you're commenting under makes it a point to say that, yes, this movie IS a prequel and suffers because of it. You can't just ignore what the movie is doing. Plus, Joker exists in an extended multi storyline universe. There is no 101 Dalmatians extended universe lmfao

[@waseem__600]

Cruella really didn't need a prequel. Making her out to be some sort of Anti hero doesn't work since she skins puppies Lmao😭😭😭.

[@just_delightful]

They allude to her not actually killing puppies in the movie. So they retconed that- I never seen the original- without having baggage, the movie is decent.

[@GellertTV]

It's not a prequel, it's an origin story and she's still a criminal who kidnapped dogs

[@waseem__600]

@@GellertTV so that's a prequel

[@AP-Design]

Dude. That 101 Dalmatians game in your initial clip was a tough game lol.

[@goldvondensternen]

102 Dalmatians, actually. One of my favorite games growing up.

[@AFunnyNameHere]

You know what drives me mad? No fur. Throughout the whole film. How can you have a whole film about an insane woman wanting to steal puppies for a fur coat and not mention fur in the prequel? Like… that’s her whole character in the original?

[@blueelectro5218]

Man, at this point I’m so done with these Disney live action remakes/reimaginings/requel, etc. And I’m one to talk I love the MCU projects. But everything else with the company when it comes to live action is so tiring. At this point I kinda miss those direct to video animated sequels, despite ALOT of them being awful at least they were ambitious to tell what happened happily ever after. Idk guys

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

Dw eventually they'll run out of source material with so many remakes being made.

[@eanderson9599]

Most of the MCU movies are pretty bland as well, but they’ve made a few good ones

[@danielramsey6141]

@@eanderson9599 To me, the MCU isn't all connected to the Diseny Machine. Because Marvel Movies were being made Waaay before Diseny entered the picture. The likes of Blade, X-men, Spiderman, Ironman, the Second Fantastic Four movie (not the 1st or the Reboot). They all were varying levels of Great to good, that's not to say they were perfect. But I felt more genuine effort going into some of these films than most. I Will admit, we Got Stinkers in the Line-up, From Daredevil, Some of the X-Men Sequels, the Fantastic 4 films, Hulk's First solo movie, ELEKTRA! (oh god, that film was bad). And Captain Marvel. I won't put Thor The Dark World, Avengers 2, or Antman or Dr. Strange into the bad category, mainly due to those films being pieces to a much grander story, and I generally do like that they are just precursors Events that were building up for Civil War, Infinity War & Endgame respectively! It took alot of planning and group think to get there and and I don't blame Kevin, the various Directors or the Rest of the Marvel Movie Staffers for some of the choices they had to make, but as a whole, the films really have become a universe all on their own! So when I hear people Attacking the Marvel Universe and calling it bland and/or a Disappointment. Let me Ask you this...DID YOU, Not Cheer when the Whole Cast Of MARVEL HEROES Straight Up Appeared before Thanos and his Army just to back up Captain America?! If you said no, than you are a Liar.

[@Fantallana]

@@danielramsey6141 Captain Marvel was better than Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Doctor Strange, and Ant Man tbh. It just felt like a phase 1 movie, which was jarring after Black Panther and Ragnarok.

[@ryanb4940]

But a lot of them are actually good lol. Not lion king. But the rest have been great. Thought I’d hate Aladdin but ended up having a lot of fun. Cruella isn’t a live action remake, it’s its own thing. They already did a live action remake in the 90’s.

[@WasatchWind]

A video about why Disney remakes suck? My favorite genre of KZbin video!

[@Skydude69]

I think the future here is a new 101 dalmations live action movie where a new villain is introduced and cruella is a new anti-hero. If you look at this in the same frame as Maleficent, it's glaringly obvious this is the new template for their villainesses.

[@despresso3686]

Yeah I feel like they r about to make a new 101 Dalmatians movie. To "fix" all the issues of it not making any sense. I'd like them to tbh. But the classic will always be the best

[@davidkonevky7372]

Imagine if instead of trying to be a harley queen clone, this movie actually tried to be outlandish and absurd and didn't try to show Cruella in a good light. Kind of like how dr.doofenshmirtz although had a very tragic childhood, is still portrayed as extremely evil and absurd in his ideas. Also, why not make her growing obsession with fur a part of the movie? As long as the movie doesn't treat it at something ethical, it would immensely improve the quality and complexity of the character.

[@viroshanargiri4641]

Still he was better father to Vanessa than Phineas and Ferb parents who always never spend time with their children ,let them do outlandish thing.He often drop whatever thing he do to help daughter , hell even quit being evil for because of her.

[@xero1048]

When I saw the trailer for this my only question was “why?”. As in who was asking for a cruella prequel?

[@eatatjoes6751]

No one.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

No one has to the truth is most people don't know what they want until its in front of them. Its kinda disingenuous to say that the market doesn't favor retelling's and remake's

[@joshuawilliams8428]

i was asking why as well, but when i watched it, the movie was actually good.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

We just can't trust Disney, can we?

[@jliller]

We can't trust major movie studios. Every time there is a very successful movie or movie series they take the wrong lessons from it then proceed to beat the idea to death and beyond.

[@ryanb4940]

But it was a really good movie though.. and they’ve been producing quality content for Star Wars and Marvel. Sooooo

[@thanasispiliotis72]

@@ryanb4940 yes exactly

[@corncrackerkid5092]

Seeing how they treated Luca, a movie the director and cast actually put a lot of dedication into and just stuck it on Disney+ I’m not surprised

[@ryanb4940]

@@corncrackerkid5092 it was “just stuck” onto Disney+ so it could actually be released… because… you know… the worldwide pandemic… or were you gone for that?

[@niccottone8158]

You always unlock hidden my memories with your little commercial breaks. I remember playing that 101 Dalmatian game as a kid

[@lukematthews1442]

I agree, I really enjoyed the middle part of the movie. Emma Stone was a joy to watch, her performance was great and the movie was pretty engaging. I liked the setting, the tone, and the production design. The issue is of course it had to be a prequel to a well-known IP. I think if you took out all the 101 Dalmations stuff you'd actually have the makings of a pretty great standalone movie. But Disney just doesn't know how to do that. Everything is a sequel or reboot or adaptation. Seems like Pixar is the only Disney property that is competent anymore at making solid original content.

[@NASkeywest]

Disney executive: “OK. So, why does Cruella hate Dalmatians so much she wants to skin their puppies and wear them?” Disney writers: “…..hmmm. Wait..I GOT IT! What if, trained assassin Dalmatians actually drop kick her mom off a cliff into the ocean!!” Disney executive: “…..that is the most….BRILLIANT WRITING I HAVE EVER HEARD! Here is $100 million dollars, let’s make a movie!”

[@darkozosel9114]

Bro, that sounded so ridiculously stupid thatbI thought you were all joking, until I saw the scene. How, just how.

[@carmillakarnstein8109]

@@darkozosel9114 It is a joke, at least the part of her hating Dalmatians for this. She doesn't hate them at all in the movie and even adopts them.

[@AlbertoFolres]

Why is she a genius, does she have the Mulan Strong Woman Chi?

[@gamerxxgaming7075]

Imagine Disney makes animated remakes of the live actions

[@charliedelfino2102]

I went into it thinking "alternate universe" and I wasn't dissatisfied so I'd suggest that if you're unsure

[@kb-ih7ni]

Yeah I just separated the two worlds, I didn’t consider it a reboot either, just an isolated story with a character coincidentally anamed Cruella. Puppies were just a weird element in it lol

[@mickdipiano8768]

This is the way

[@FKA91]

Yeah. I enjoyed the movie because, from the first 20 minutes, it doesn't match the original story. And clearly, it doesn't want to. It takes place in the 70s, Cruella was born with that black and white hair🤨, she isn't rich and had to start from the bottom. Anita is a reporter, her childhood best friend and she's black. Jasper is also black (and pretty cute ngl 😏) and with Horace, are now Cruella's kind of adoptive family. Etc. It was easy for me to just take it as "another universe" situation.

[@javiermaciasleon3609]

I just don't consider it a prequel, I just consider it a different take of the character of Cruella. I don't think that they are both set in the same "universe", sort to speak. There are a lot of contradictions between the both films, they just don't make sense together so I treated it like a separate film.

[@ThePonderer]

Exactly!

[@PSYCHOWORLD]

That would be great but Disney down right said it was connected and a prequel so it’s hard to look past that. If they never said that and didn’t apply it so much in the movie I would totally agree with you.

[@ThePonderer]

@@PSYCHOWORLD marketing is marketing, the movie is the movie. Disney can say whatever they want but it doesn’t change what’s demonstrably on screen.

[@PSYCHOWORLD]

@@ThePonderer yeah and on screen it is very obvious they were making this a prequel lol and of course marketing can change how the audience views a film lmao marketing can be the difference of someone even going to see a film in the first place.

[@kimtaehyungshandsomeface5958]

@@PSYCHOWORLD Disney maybe said it's a prequel but perhaps a prequel that will led to a new 101 dalmatians. i mean if it's prequel it contradicts a lotta things in 1996 film. No offense, but Anita's race and Roger's job already contradicts the whole 1996 film.

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

I found it odd how for a prequel to 101 Dalmatians, this film takes place in the 1970s, even though the original movie took place in the 1950s.

[@ayleentrujillo2736]

Unlike the other live action Disney movies, this is just a breath of fresh air. What I did like was the ending, the fact that she planned the entire plot of 101 Dalmatian explains why she was so into the puppies well before they were born. It’s so evil, and that’s cruella.

[@Akaketsugami]

I think its hilarious how Cruellas mother gets killed by dalmatians, thats honestly very funny

[@Exiled_Q]

cruel batman of the fashion world

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Disney has the best female villains in history. Yet they are defanging them and making them likable while keeping the men the same. That's sexist af.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

Idk man I've seen great male characters from them but whatever

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 This is not about men.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@TheFourthWinchester oh ok well the woman are still ok but i get what you mean though

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 From being iconic to being okay is not okay. We have almost no female villains and they are ruining the ones who existed before.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@TheFourthWinchester you mean no new female villains right?

[@Elementa2006]

Of all the media that use this "villains reimagined as anti-hero protagonists" trope, the manga/anime 'Moriarty the Patriot' is the only good one.

[@inferiorinferno8859]

And Christina Henry's Lost Boy, that reimagines Hook having originally been a lost boy who grew tired of Peter's selfishness and started to dream of escaping and growing up. But Peter couldn't stand losing their bromance and after Peter ruined all of Hook's chances of becoming happy, Peter cursed him to be stuck on the island forever, immortal but as an adult. So Peter could still play with him for all eternity.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

Xena did such a good job everyone forgot she was a One-Shot villain from Hercules.

[@santiagogarza8121]

And Kobra Kai 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DoveCalderwood]

0:52 gave me INSTANT flashbacks. I LOVED the 102 Dalmatians game as a kid!

[@davidg2927]

Dude, I was surprised at how much I liked this movie. And I don’t like most of the live action remakes Disney has made.

[@mymanslippy]

Cruella devil , cruel devil , she’s meant to be completely evil , killing 101 puppies for a coat is the embodiment of evil , she doesn’t need a tragic backstory , she’s a 1 dimensional character and that plays very well into the plot

[@DWAkhaten]

7:50 Cruella's tragic backstory was easily my favorite part of this movie: everything about that scene was hilarious.

[@jtjvalenzuela]

Your videos are great man, keep up the good job!

[@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115]

Watching a Disney prequels, sequels and "re-imaginings" A.K.A. reboots is like watching someone try to put two halves of two completely different puzzles together. It simply doesn't work!

[@fortniteepicgamer76]

I think if Disney just made an original movie. More people would see it. (Also it would be a better movie)

[@austinreed7343]

They tried with Raya.

[@KalaVerag]

I see cruela as a stand alone movie like an other version of the character. Like batman and the batman who laughs. And I never heard this been a prequel I need to look that up

[@Sakattack2023]

Who fuckin cares C O N S O O M E R. They’re recycling stories and characters to repackage for idiots.

[@youmadornahhh]

@@Sakattack2023 Triggered

[@thatrandomcomment968]

@@Sakattack2023 u mad? Cruella is great

[@Sakattack2023]

@@thatrandomcomment968 Why don’t you just say “I’m an idiot and am entertained by whatever anyone tells me to”

[@mrmcpopcorn9159]

@@Sakattack2023 people are allowed to like what they like and you can’t change that, so don’t try making people feel less for liking something you don’t

[@DANTHEMANREVIEWS]

Always look forward to the vids!

[@ethanol1586]

I can't wait for them to make an Aladdin prequel where they defend Jafar and say he actually loved Jasmine

[@michelledang6834]

Team Starkid actually did a fun musical on youtube called twisted that took from the perspective of Jafar which is fun. They also did the harry potter musicals. They're really funny and clever

[@equinox6944]

Ethanol hahaha yes. In this day and age it’s cool apparently to turn evil villains into victims, so it Wouldn’t surprise me if they did

[@skyrogue1977]

It failed because Emma Stone doesn’t look like a Thousand Year old mantis.

[@alexdelaloire8739]

The thumnail: why cruella fails Me: "what? but it's not!!..." Also me watcging the video: "oh, it's because you treated it like a prequel...but it's not"

[@calciferpendragon6810]

it was pretty forgettable. thank god i work at a movie theater so i can use a free ticket

[@MrTurtleMusic]

Not one outfit was forgettable

[@agstinacueva1673]

@@MrTurtleMusic that red dress with the puffy hair was the most cringe worthy thing i ever seen. She just looked like a halfassed goth from 80's berlin

[@carmillakarnstein8109]

Hey dude, watched some of your videos some time ago and really liked your content, but forgot to subscribe, good thing this appeared in my recommendations! On a side note, this movie is not supposed to fit the same timeline as 101 Dalmatians, it's a reimagining of the character in an alternate universe. Cruella is to 101 Dalmatians what Frozen is to The Snow Queen. It's not even that they're ill-suited for each other, they're literally designed to be incompatible (modern Cruella already owns more than enough Dalmatians for a coat, she would never kill a dog, etc), Disney knew no one would root for a dog killer. The only things they tie is the characters with the same names as the original knowing each other.

[@platinum11110]

Each year Disney descends into a deeper level of crap. And has been for several years now.

[@MsSumoon]

a small correction de 2019 animated series is NOT CG, is regular cut-out 2D animation and it's a rather fun cartoon to watch.

[@fallapi6]

0:53 when i was younger i was so scared because of that game. There were enemies that made very scary sounds like the toy car and the springbox

[@jamescaldwell2357]

I liked Cruella. It had a slow start, but by the mid, it really picked up. When I realized that this was intended for younger audience, which took about 5 minutes in, I dropped all expectation and enjoyed the film. The fashion was great, so artsy!

[@MrBattlekiwi]

I watched cruella last night and me and my friends all enjoyed it, it definitely doesn’t work as a like proper prequel but the movie itself is pretty great imo

[@Lucky_Daguenet]

I rather enjoyed it similar to maleficent. I just treated it like a reimagining tbh.

[@hopperthemarxist8533]

Nah you’re wrong it’s bad

[@ktmorange02]

Haha I seriously enjoyed the movie and I understand what’s he’s talking about it’s like they have to involve the franchise or it won’t sell.

[@nominaldegree7614]

@@hopperthemarxist8533 what makes it bad. And don’t say “because I think it’s bad” . Clearly your capable of building an argument right?

[@gloryramos2526]

If you take it for what it is it's just a fun crazy film some good acting lovely wardrobe decent soundtrack not every movie has to be Oscar worthy to be enjoyed. I took my mom and some family on her birthday once quarantine restrictions dropped to see this at the local theater it was a good time we laughed got confused and were surprised unlike with some other disney remakes I can understand why people don't like it but I've seen worse films I think for what it was it was a fun interpretation with other interesting elements in the film people can hate on it if they want or we could just stop trying to be uptight mini critics have some fun or just don't watch it if disney reboots or reimaginings of old concepts aren't for you.

[@elizabethtrudgill3567]

The Satrlight Barking is my favourite book. I know it’s a children's story and I'm nearly thirty-five but I always go back to it.

[@liv97497]

@0:54 oh my god, that unlocked a memory that was buried deep in the darkest parts of my brain. I used to LOVE THAT GAME. Also yeah great video

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

What bugged me the most about this film is that it tries to make us feel sympathetic for a villain whose motivations were driven by nothing more than obsession. Cruella only wants to kill the dalmatian puppies just so that she can make them in to a fur coat, because she's obsessed with furs, they're practically her religion. It doesn't make sense for her eventual agendas to be revenge on the death of her mother. It's like we're talking about 2 completely different characters

[@ThePonderer]

We ARE talking about 2 different characters, and for me that’s why the film works. Trying to make us sympathize with the previous version of Cruella would’ve been a ludicrous task, so the movie just takes a completely different person, names them Cruella, and has us sympathize with them instead. It was frankly the smarter choice and made for a better movie. This Cruella and THAT Cruella are two distinct figures.

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

@@ThePonderer I do feel like it completely goes against Cruella's character, and if there ever is a sequel to it (hopefully not), it's likely that it'll riff on the plot of 101 Dalmatians, as the post-credits scene has Cruella giving Pongo and Perdita to Roger and Anita as gifts, and what then? It'll be especially confusing

[@TheFourthWinchester]

You haven't seen the movie. She doesn't kill anything and is likable.

[@ThePonderer]

@@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 worry about a sequel if/when one happens. Right now, THIS movie, on its OWN terms, is a standalone narrative.

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

@@ThePonderer they've just announced a sequel, so I worry now

[@juanpedrodelacruz7348]

Cruella fails because they want it to be a "DISNEY VERSION" that supposed to be not. It was just PLAYING SAFE kind of movie.

[@nategiacoma3031]

Have you read Wheel of Time. Series is coming out this year super excited!!!

[@Legault6789]

This is exactly how I feel about solo, it’s a good movie but it’s just strictly worse because it’s trying so hard to be a prequel for a character that definitely doesn’t need one

[@ishaanwankhade4834]

Disney: Alright we're thinking of doing another remake, maybe making another villain backstory. Any ideas? Person: *raises hand* Disney: Yes, Person? Person: You know that movie Joker with Joaquin Phoenix? Disney: Yeah... Person: Well let's do that...but with Cruella Disney: Fantastic! And maybe we'll do it worse! Person: Wait what-

[@jacksul2087]

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, It is a Movie, movies are made to entertain, and just because it involves a character that people are familiar with doesn't mean it has to change its story structure for that character. There are hundreds upon hundreds of reimaginings of beloved characters and people love them. Cruella is not a prequel, plain and simple.

[@jacksul2087]

I feel like you hold too much attachment to the old movies, and so you're eyes are clouded by nostalgic gas, covering your sense of taste in movies. The movie is supposed to be camp, its supposed to not take itself too seriously. I don't want to see a shitty version of the devil wears prada where the protag is an envious dickhead, I want to see Cruella.

[@darlalathan6143]

I think the reason for all this discourse about movies is that filmmaking is a business, movies are a product movie studios make for fans or customers. Bad B movies are a quality-control issue for consumers. When one pays for movie tickets, popcorn and colas, one expects to see a fun movie. Poor scripts, acting, special effects or ethnic stereotypes spoil the customer's experience with the product or service of entertaining them. Movies and other film media are one-way communication, so studios can only tell what viewers want to see by examining old movies or their greatest hits, hence all new movies are sequels, prequels or remakes of older media, such as cartoons, comics, video games and television shows.

[@jacksul2087]

@@darlalathan6143 Just to clarify, it sounds like you're half agreeing with me, correct?

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

That's the age we live in. Virtually nothing can just be for the sake of being and if not that then probably because they can't get away with just something simple and effective unless its aimed at pre schoolers. You can write your modern characters and stories in as many sordid college tier thesis, essays, etc. but ultimately they'll never leave an impact on me to bother remembering when it's over as when I watch Davey and Goliath where Davey defends his dog and says "I forgive him because I love him" just those few seconds make me actually feel something.

[@smthngtosay]

Hey Business major here, you can’t renew a patent unless you expand the brand, the patent of most of the movies Disney has been recreating has expired which is why we have tons of prequels, its the only way they can keep rights. For example the Lion King came out in the ‘90s and the renewed it before it expired. They made the 1996 movie because the original patent would’ve expired, same with this movie. It’s 20 years later so they have to expand the brand or give it up to another conglomerate! Just thought I’d give insight on why prequels and sequels are so popular nowadays, it’s 20 years latter so most brands have to give up their patents or expand the brand which is why most of these movies make little to no sense and are super rushed.

[@My2cents.]

Narrative of Self is the result of a feedback loop between “Separate Self” & Cosmos🎈

[@SansDemStrings]

I get the prequel idea - but I thought of it more as a reimagined origin story. I don't think this Cruella would skin puppies but did smirk at the idea of it flouted by the newspapers and media coverage. Overall I enjoyed the movie - and definitely find it the best of the Disney live action movies. Which doesn't say much, but there are my thoughts.

[@tyruswillier7358]

I didn't like the setup of a whole new version of Cruella just make a new movie and pick any random name if it's a new personality I knew obviously a stylish hunger games dress wearing Emma isn't gonna skin puppies not sure she's capable of portraying a villain so the movie was predictable as another cash grab

[@SansDemStrings]

@@tyruswillier7358 Definitely a cash grab. The head of Disney Bob Chapek is only considering project using established IP so for the foreseeable future I am not expecting anything totally new. But also knowing that I thought was more new than the other more recent Disney live action.

[@inferiorinferno8859]

What I think is the most major flaw with these prequels redeeming the villains (also looking at Maleficent), is that they chose villains that aren't easy to redeem. There are several villains who aren't considered as antagonists in the original source material like Ursula and Hades. There are also hero characters like Peter Pan who's origins are a little more darker and there is actually a book that imagines a prequel to the story where he is a villain with Hook being the hero and it worked. It's called Lost Boy and in that story, you follow a boy who at the end you learn will become Captain Hook. He was actually the first Lost Boy and Peter's right hand. But the story does tie into the whole arc about Wendy acting as a surrogate mother as Hook was the one mainly taking care of the kids but Peter's negligence often ended up in kids dying. After a bunch of misjudgements from Peter like taking a little boy who's too young to survive without his parents and a girl who has binded her chest to survive on the street, and another massacre by the pirates, Hook has had enough of Peter. He and the girl develop romantic feelings for one another, and they plan to escape so they can raise the little boy together in a safe place once he reallizes Peter was the one who killed his mom. As Peter wanted to manipulate him into becoming a lost boy (it's implied Peter did it to at least one other lost boy's parents as well). Peter sabotages their escape plan, a rebellion begins and amongst things Peter ends up trying to feed the girl and the little boy to the crocodile. The little boy survives but only because the girl sacrificed herself and got eaten alive. The book ends with Hook becoming an adult but getting cursed by Peter not to leave the island, because Peter wants to play with Hook forever and if he can't as a friend then he will as an enemy. Peter starts treating the new kids a bit better to prevent another rebellion but Hook still wants to kill Peter for all the kids he's ruined. Peter is genuinely evil, but in a way one could expect from a little boy abducting children for playmates. He'd do anything to obtain playmates and have them remain with him on Neverland, and will fly into childish fits of rage in moments like when he discovers the girl was pretending to be a boy all along. I loved that prequel, because kids being that evil partially because they never grow up works. Having your mom killed by Dalmatians doesn't really work but the connection with the girl being eaten by a crocodile makes a lot more sense as well as being genuinely brutal. Everything about that prequel just works, because Peter Pan has some very messed up origins to begin and his story is already considered a tale of the selfishness of childhood, which can easily be twisted into something even darker. Like Peter being an evil deity-like child is much easier to fathom then a person who owns dogs wanting to skin a particular breed because her mom got killed by them. So long story but short, if you want a prequel that genuinely works, just read Christina Henry's Lost Boy and skip Cruella.

[@yamataichul]

The smoking is PART of her character. This 2021 movie doesn't even try to make it at least closer to book Cruela

[@RubenTricky]

I just watch these movies with the original put aside. Don't think about it. I really loved Cruella as a standalone movie

[@chinrys06]

At this point. I don't even care how good Cruella is or isn't. I just want new content from Disney that isn't a rehash of something they've already done.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

....Disney was literally founded on taking old stories and remaking them

[@chinrys06]

@@demonking-zm3rs true but at least they weren't a rehash of their own IPs

[@TrvisXXIII]

@1:41 That opening set up for this video is sad and hilarious at the same time lol

[@TheDeathmail]

I think they should have done a middle ground... they make it a movie loosely inspired by Cruella... it would use elements from the Dalmations movie... but actually be it's own thing... without being a prequel...

[@walrus_boiler2646]

I’m glad you made a review.

[@mdrglxix3699]

I think the problem here is to look at this movie as a prequel to the other movies, it is very clear that it is not, this one is a reimagining

[@captainmidnight]

That goes out of its way to set up the original film...

[@anthonyperalta4623]

@@captainmidnight For me this was clearly a re imagining that has strong nods to the original. This Cruella clearly loves dogs, and will not try to skin them. She even adopts the dalmatians and they seem to be loyal to her. To me the film was setting up its own re imagined squeal and not the original. I mean the original is set in the 1960's this was set in the 1970, there are not literally connected.

[@mdrglxix3699]

@@captainmidnight massive disagreement, you seem set to believe in your take so there's not much anyone can say to help you see you missed the point. By the end of this version Cruella is a completely different character to the Cruella in the animated version, I don't know how this version is set up for that other version, but you already decided what fits your narrative so, more power to you! still enjoy the channel though 👍

[@JollibeenosHasYourCoordinates]

Can't wait for them to release "Ursula" and kick off the Disney Villain Cinematic Universe (DVCU).

[@zerevv]

waiting for jafar & hades kick ass

[@jaygibbs_]

I don't get the no smoking thing, since the film was filled with so much crime and murder. WTF Disney?! Also, Emma Thompson was hilarious!! Loved her!!

[@therealianclarkfanpage6028]

When the Mother died I deadasss laughed so hard in the theater like cmon stop trying to humanize her like that

[@raxxie]

sadly, this is kinda what I expected from Cruella

[@youseineko]

I didn’t know “The Hundred and One Dalmatians” had an actual sequel. As nuts as “The Starlight Barking” sounds, it’s not as though the first book didn’t have some supernatural elements. Cruella’s last name is DeVil, after all, and I think the story hints she actually is related to Satan.

[@Internetrando]

Finishing this movie felt like such a chore and I even abandoned editing a review for my own channel, because I was just so done with the whole thing. I'm generally fine with live actions (Jon Favreau's Jungle Book, Cinderella etc.), and I don't even mind the villain backstories (eh its not that deep) but I just couldn't with this one. Shame.