The Huge Problem With Black Widow

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe is back on the big screen, but its issues remain the same. There is a lot to like in this movie, thanks to great actors like Florence Pugh, David Harbour and of course, Scarlett Johansson, but it is completely letdown by the MCU's obsession with big third act battles made by a team of effects artists.
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[@technocore1591]

Big mistake not making it more of a spy thriller. I mean, that's who Black Widow is. Having her engage in action that would kill any non super powered person over and over really kills all the tension. Still overall it was much better than I expected cause my expectations were way low.

[@daniellauricella5132]

Eh, Black Widow is above common spies though. That's also who she is. And actually, she does fail to beat Taskmaster or the Black Widow army one on one, which I love, because I was really afraid they'd overpower the hell out of her in her movie.

[@technocore1591]

@@daniellauricella5132 Absolutely a super spy. But it's the spy part they kinda slacked off on. Should have been more slick outwitting, less explosions. Case in point, Busting Red Guardian out of jail. Both Natasha and Yelena are super spies, and what do they do? Explosions. That should have been a much smarter scene, imo.

[@twobirds01]

That’s is why I really like the first part of the movie, it felt like a Bourne movie, but by the end it was just another marvel action movie

[@daniellauricella5132]

@@technocore1591 Well I mean they did slip him a coded message inside an action figure. That's something.

[@manasdate6410]

Yes totally agree. They lean into her spy skills in winter soldier and that part is in my opinion the best part. By making the story more grounded then another final fight in a falling air Base i think it would have been better.

[@Artifacter]

My issue was the film feels like the sequel film to a film we never got.

[@idasworld8085]

This.

[@a.b.7932]

Yes! Omg you’re so right.

[@Sparkle0501]

Kinda but i really liked Black Widow / Update I dont like Black Widow

[@jonahmiller988]

Me too. It felt weird that they this made after civil war YEARS later after endgame

[@thaymarie013]

True....I was expecting a back story of her life

[@CroshVine]

I was also thinking "Oh sweet, he's gonna recognize captain America's fighting style and finally get the face off he's been waiting for!" Then, nothing.

[@rananawito3526]

He went Black Panther 🙈

[@Joecbg100]

I really didn't like that, he should have gotten his moment

[@CroshVine]

@@Joecbg100 I know right!

[@vincegray7206]

Great idea….if only…

[@neonbunnies9596]

Taskmaster did get a shield, but it's not used in anyway. That would've been should a good idea

[@nagamata]

Honestly, her landing on both feet after falling more than a few stories, with obstructions on the way down, blew a hulk-sized hole in my suspension of disbelief.

[@Nimelennar]

I wouldn't say that it blew a hole in my suspension of disbelief, but it immediately dropped the tension of the action scenes, because if THAT didn't leave so much as a bruise, clearly nothing else was going to hurt her.

[@CM-pf1xc]

Exactly

[@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925]

yeah i fell only a few feet dislocated my left shoulder nat falls a few stories shes fine.

[@mandyramos1671]

Gives me Fast and Furious vibes

[@robgronotte1]

James Bond gets up and runs after falls like that all the time though.

[@thabreez456]

The opening credits made me think "Holy shit is this a mcu movie? That's dark." Too bad the rest of the movie constantly reminded me this was a mcu movie.

[@zarindrake]

You... Went to an MCU movie... Expecting it to not feel like one?.... Thats on you dude

[@genm4827]

@@zarindrake MCU’s capable of pretty different stuff if they feel like it. I think he made it clear he meant that the movie reminded him it was an MCU movie...in a bad way.

[@fransesco9703]

They could have made a pretty good movie and a good character movie for Black Widow but they kinda ruined it, they really didnt know what movie they wanted to make

[@thabreez456]

@@zarindrake The Best mcu stories are ones that Exceed expectations. Black widow after that opening credits just reminded of phase one mcu post iron man 1 and pre avengers. Painfully average

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Kind of like WandaVision or BlackPanther The first act feels incredibbly unique, while the 3d act completley looses its own style

[@steveCool-uw9ze]

Even in her own film, black widow is a secondary character

[@xkmuffinzx3915]

Oof

[@shroomer8294]

Lmao

[@Runner2000]

Like Loki.

[@Atlantafan21]

@@Runner2000 Loki was definitely not secondary.

[@Runner2000]

@@Atlantafan21 Not the movies. His show.

[@partialartist]

I don’t care if they made taskmaster a woman, I care that they made the character boring and as confusing as Deadpool from X men origins Wolverine. Just as silent and the reveal isn’t worth being called a real villain.

[@silvermist4110]

They probably trying make Taskmaster a "PG Deadpool" One that they can sell am make toys off of with brownie points cause it's a girl. 🤷🏾‍♀️ idk I have up on Marvel movies after Infinity War [shows have more time it seems are some good ones.]

[@Edson07bs]

Something else I’m wondering is if they avoided developing the character more because it would have direct conflict with Echo’s Disney+ show.

[@notmazi]

Dreykow was the real villain, NOT taskmaster

[@andrewnigo61]

I think most fans would've accepted the genderbending if they gave Taskmaster something to make them an interesting character. Instead, they change the character's gender for no reason other than "representation" for women, yet take so much actual character from them that it ends up being entirely pointless in the long run.

[@notmazi]

@Martin Kearney I will keep on saying this. TASKMASTER IS NOT THE VILLAIN, DREYKOV IS. It is made clear throughout the whole film, the mcu baited the comic fans with taskmaster kind of like what they did to x-men fans with wandavision

[@oliviaxma]

when the black widow movie idea announcement first came out I thought it was gonna be about her time in the red room. idk would've been cool

[@TheDelinear]

Yeah, I expected a story where we got to see inside the Red Room, how the agents are mistreated, and Nat building up the resolve to, and finally escaping (and perhaps thinking Yelena was killed along the way, the whole "Oh I just assumed you were all fine" thing was ridiculous). Basically, I wanted the far more interesting story that they told us about in the movie but never showed us. If your movie has a mundane story, and in that movie the characters tell you about a far more interesting story, you done made the wrong movie!

[@melissaharris3389]

I initially thought the film would take place between Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. Natasha ends Winter Soldier in search of herself and going back 'home' to destroy the Red Room seemed interesting.

[@rananawito3526]

Me too :( I also thought the winter soldier was going to have a cameo 🙈

[@melissaharris3389]

@@rananawito3526 Natasha having a nightmare/flashback of being shot by the Winter Soldier in Odessa would have been interesting. I know Sebastian Stan is a busy man but the Winter Soldier was active for decades! He's responsible for so many assassinations that a sniper taking out a target from seemingly impossible distance and the Winter Soldier's musical cue would be enough to indicate Hydra and his presence.

[@jamersbazuka8055]

Or maybe a Rogue One-style film on how/why/when she defected.

[@russelloats]

This could've easily been the darkest and most grounded MCU film in the franchise. Only problem is it felt like checkbox that needed to be filled and it came out way too late. At least people getting into the MCU can watch this right after Civil War now and appreciate Nat more.

[@karalynspeaks4267]

@@fansee1368 yes it felt really dark and I was like wow this about to be intense but then it wasn’t at times

[@fakebird000]

Exactly the movie is about saving kids from child trafficking and it’s basically another generic PG-13 CGI-fest.

[@spider-man6932]

@@karalynspeaks4267 yeah if it focused more on the drama, the dark stuff and the character relationships then it would have been like breaking bad but well tbh they really should have made a Budapest movie

[@whatdidyousay1235]

U can't watch it after Civil war. The credit scene is a spoiler

[@jaketheberge1970]

AugustEverlasting You could watch this as a new fan after Civil War. And have Natasha's death spoiled before watching Endgame. This movie really sounds out of place no matter where you put it.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Taskmaster: *is portrayed as a silent villain despite having a personality in the comics* Deadpool: "First time?"

[@BingBangPoe]

That was infuriating. Tony Masters is one of the most interesting Marvel characters ever but they reduced him (well, her) to a shitty B-tier villain.

[@devenscience8894]

And is played by pretty much the only Russian speaking (Ukrainian, but you get the point) actor in the movie.

[@monkeydetonation]

ngl I really enjoyed origins. I don't care that they butchered deadpool* it was fun.

[@eljay5009]

@@BingBangPoe And she wasn't actually a villain afterall - just somebody being manipulated by a 'bad man'. The MCU don't seem to be able to do female villains without making it somehow a man's fault.

[@BingBangPoe]

@@eljay5009 that is so true. Even Hella, who was the best female villain in the MCU, was a result of Odin being a massive scumbag.

[@spider-man500]

The beginning scene was so dark and different. I was really hoping it would go that route..........and then it didn't.

[@willmungas8964]

What I found so jarring about this movie is that the edgy setup and opening scene made it seem like a more old fashioned dark Cold War thriller; I knew it would be set after civil war, but I expected more of the dirty blades, guns, and streets of Budapest, like a Jason Bourne movie. Instead it’s fancy high-tech suits, gadgets, Flying Fortress, mind control, etc. I hate the generic technologically advanced marvel look for this film, because it would have been so much better if it stuck to what Age of Ultron made her upbringing seem, a mansion in Russia with psychological torture. Is it too much to ask that we get a movie where the setting and elements are more grounded for a character that it actually works for?

[@manasdhanpawde496]

true,man,they really need to stop with so much cgi

[@michaelmiller3897]

I watched all 3 Bornes... And was bored after 1 I'm glad this movie wasn't like Jason Bourne Because I like to watch good movies... Not sleep through them hahahaha

[@Witchyrose2349]

@@michaelmiller3897 You must be 12.

[@michaelmiller3897]

Lmao is that an insult? Wow... I would justify that with a comment, but it's so generic and basic

[@leesimmons5453]

"Hahahaha"? Really?

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

I felt that the whole ''mind control'' thing was just a way to easily resolve everything. I think the lack of it would've made every plot point with it better. Imagine if Yelena had been molded since childhood like Natasha and decided to escape once she saw that Natasha was now a fugitive Avenger, instead of being freed mostly by luck. Imagine if Antonia went after Natasha because she blamed her for what happened to her, instead of because she had no choice. Imagine if Natasha couldn't kill Dreykov because the mental scars he inflicted upon her were so deep that she's still terrified of him, to the point where she lets him hit her, instead of magic pheromones. I don't know, just throwing my two cents

[@davidbjacobs3598]

I agree actually, except for regarding Antonia. I think that would've further cheapened the terrible thing Natasha did, because "She's evil anyway so it's fine." But I also think it was a mistake to have her be alive. Yes Natasha still TRIED to kill a child, but it's too much of a magic wand waving to make it okay to still root for her.

[@derek96720]

Your comment was better than the entire movie.

[@angelat5554]

i get the whole pheromone thing was pulled straight from the comics, but not EVERYTHING from the comics needs to be in the mcu, esp when the mcu has been marketed as the “real world but with superheroes and aliens”. but some things are just incredibly stupid and not needed at times, in my opinion.

[@anikibailey4624]

@@davidbjacobs3598 I actually think having her be mind controlled into evil cheapened Natasha's actions more. If the film had zeroed in on Antonia's genuine rage and pain and anger at what Natasha had done, if Natasha had had to face that she did something awful and unforgivable and ruined the life of someone who could have been good, instead of putting all the evil on Dreykov and saying 'oh, what Natasha did is okay because what Dreykov did is worse'. Idk, just think Antonia should have been motivated by completely understandable hatred.

[@beccag2758]

I agree with basically all that. Honestly, as far as the mind control went, if they were dead set on it I would have preferred they gone the HYDRA route with it because there was something distinctly convenient about the chemical control/key. Like, most of the widows at the end seemed pretty fine once they were “cured”, whereas Bucky or that lady Ward dated on Agents of SHIELD were pretty messed up after getting themselves out of those situations

[@neoseptember8884]

Honestly feel like they could've done a black widow and Hawkeye movie explaining Budapest

[@kaiia9237]

At least a flash back for god sakes. Watch them continue to tease that bullshit in Hawkeye’s show. I don’t even care anymore marvel.

[@bobtheskutterbot]

I agree in so far as that seemed to include a compelling story... being told that Nat was tested for loyalty and had to kill the daughter was kind of lame. We should have seen it. Would have added weight to the reveal the daughter "survived".

[@randybobandy9828]

@@kaiia9237 Hawkeyes show?

[@junish]

@@randybobandy9828 Yes, there's going to be a Hawkeye TV show.

[@randybobandy9828]

@@junish lame.

[@124085]

I was completely surprised when the mind control antidote on Antonia actually worked. Like I was anticipating the whole time that Natasha would administer the cure only for Antonia to stab her anyway because if anyone has a legitimate reason to hate Black Widow it's the child she blew up with a bomb. It would have added so much more credibility to Natasha's "dripping red ledger" but I guess that sort of thinking is too clever for a Marvel movie.

[@camiimpostora7613]

This ! I thought Natasha was going to have to kill Antonia, again. I wasn't really that disappointed with the 3rd act until that part. Specially because if the antidote worked all along, why didn't she release it earlier 😡 😡 😡

[@B463L]

Marvel is developing an obnoxious tendency to invoke provocative ideas without paying them off. Bucky's long-awaited redemption arc was way more profound than anything involving the Flag Smashers or the Power Broker, but it got less screentime. Hayward could've made a compelling villain if they just made him more competent, but instead of presenting a shadow organization as a genuine threat to an MCU protagonist, they jammed in Agatha. Agatha, of course, was equally boring, and she wasn't even the true villain. Wanda was the one torturing all those people, a big revelation that similarly got fairly little payoff.

[@CM-pf1xc]

That’s what I was thinking! Like why would they all immediately stop fighting. Especially Antonia

[@zettkusanagi6322]

Exactly!!!! It would've been so much better if the Antidote DIDNT work on Antonia, the look on Natasha realizing Antonia was not controlled to hate/kill her, she was and will continue to do this on her own will. "you took the only family I had" kinda moment.

[@tkalle1299]

I still want to know where the antidote came from. Not a single fucking person questioned that. It just appeared and everybody accepted it

[@zhulimoon46]

The intro was one of the best things I have seen in the MCU, but then everything got ruined.

[@ASierra08]

This!!! The dark tone of the intro didn't match what the rest of the movie would become.

[@munimuz.6283]

@hfc I feel your pain. Then, it all ends with a typical superhero-movie clichee.

[@munimuz.6283]

@hfc I absolutely agree with you. Started amazing, ended quite weak.

[@jess-dn4th]

@hfc oh fuck same i had such high hopes in the beginning bc the intro was so well paced

[@brassic1768]

Exactly! The intro was the best part of the movie, it was so riveting.

[@UnchartedMedia]

The problem for me was always "Why didn't this come out after Civil War?" And even after seeing the movie I was still asking that. The movie was fine but at the end of the day it felt really unnecessary as it feels like the MCU is going in a completely separate direction

[@StuartLugsden]

Because Issac Perlmutter wouldn't allow it and by the time he got removed from power Feige had already planned out the next 5 years.

[@UnchartedMedia]

@@StuartLugsden That definitely sounds like Perlmutter logic

[@StuartLugsden]

@@UnchartedMedia Thank god he's gone.

[@technocore1591]

@@StuartLugsden To be absolutely clear because Ike Perlmutter is a sexist and a racist and thought a movie helmed by a woman or a non-white could NOT be successful.

[@StuartLugsden]

​@@technocore1591 I'm fully aware which is why I said Issac Perlmutter. I thought by only mentioning his name would be an obvious sign that I know about his Marvel history and who he is.

[@rosyreverie]

In the end, David and Florence stole the show in a movie that was supposed to be all about Scarlett.

[@zeo278]

All about scarlett? How about “all about natasha”? Nobody should care about a feminist actress.

[@yaswante4105]

rly harbour?? I agree he was funny but thats it. we didn't get a single emotional scene with him and it was super disappointing. literally the rest of the family got at least one but harbour's sole purpose was to keep making jokes

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

@@zeo278 I've never seen someone make a good point and a stupid point so close together. Yeah, Natasha's important. But she's brought to life by the actress, and a competent director doesn't forget that. Also, your little tantrum about feminism? You really need to get out of your echo chamber more.

[@zeo278]

@@juststatedtheobvious9633 boo frickity hoo.

[@gpaderx6105]

maybe that's why it is titled as Black Widow, because it can applyable to other Balck Widows like Yelena and Melina. It really turned out to be a REALLY REALLY GREAT Origin story for Yelena

[@trixxartarchive7705]

I like that you brought up how quickly the parents are forgiven as a lot of other people don't mention it though honestly I think that both parents are pretty bad to Natasha and her sister.

[@ye11owflower]

Yes! I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people discussing this because it's my biggest issue with the movie that I can't over

[@mechengr1731]

Yeah, it seemed weird how they showed them as a family unit, when in fact they seemed to hate pretending to be parents and were happy to toss them to the red room when the mission was over Then, the two of them try to still act like their parents and treat Natasha like she's just a rebellious teen for calling out their bs It was weird

[@topeadefuye338]

Because they knew they were also victims of the system. They couldn't save them. If they tried, they would've been killed and still be taken

[@colebaker___]

Fun fact, the entire first part of the film, when they were younger, was filmed in my home town. I know where their house is, and I recognized everything the whole time they were driving through town. It was really cool to recognize my own hometown in a freaking marvel movie

[@Zephirite.]

Whoa, congrats!

[@crazypeopleonsunday7864]

That's awesome! My hometown is where they built and shot all the scene on the Kent family farm in Man of Steel & Justice League. Although, I don't think they actually shot any scenes in the town part of my town, so there wouldn't be anything for me to recognize even if I ever watched Man of Steel, so it's so cool that you're able to recognize your town in Black Widow.

[@honestabe411]

@@Zephirite.congrats for what? Living in a town?

[@Zephirite.]

@@honestabe411 congrats for the chance to watch a marvel movie being filmed, and getting excited about it.

[@honestabe411]

@@Zephirite. Sad!

[@Underscorezeus]

Black Widow really should've been a Disney+ series. It needed way more time to develop its concepts than it was given

[@robin1016]

Agreed

[@kaboomerty1638]

honestly all of the solo movies would be better as disney plus series, i think a tv show is a better format for comic books then a movie because you can develop stories better, while stuff like endgame works really well as a movie

[@destyniiskywalker]

The problem is scar jo's payroll, I think

[@JoeMama410]

I feel like WV and FatWS really dropped the ball in their last episodes. They wouldn’t have properly paid off what they set up for a BW series either.

[@atiksafari8582]

Agreed

[@gahbahrge]

The movie didn’t need Taskmaster! You could’ve had Melena and Drakov be the only villains. Drakovs daughter should’ve been dead and we should’ve seen a more in depth exploration of Budapest. Plus killing Drakovs daughter gives Drakov more emotional weight and it makes sense why he would attack Natasha. Red Guardian could get a great scene of destroying Drakovs masked henchmen, and Yelena and Natasha tag team Malena and the other widows. Would’ve been better!

[@eastsidereviews727]

I think Drakov's daughter could've been an excellent character, like they didn't need it to be in the Taskmaster DLC skin. I think they just wanted the name recognition and to swerve the fans.

[@programalice]

I agree with this. I enjoyed the movie, but it was also a bit disappointing. They made such a big deal about Budapest throughout Natasha’s journey in the MCU, but the payoff we got in black widow just fell flat. I was hoping to see many more glimpses into Nat’s past Budapest journey with Clint. Instead, we got an extremely brief flashback and lots of exposition. There’s so much about Natasha’s past that wasn’t even touched on, and that’s what this movie should have explored. It should’ve taken place further into her past and not just randomly after Civil War.

[@randomnerd3402]

I was gonna say, that this could've been their own original character instead of Taskmaster. Taskmaster would've been a good villian in one of their Spider-Man films

[@gahbahrge]

@@eastsidereviews727 agreed!

[@watershipfalls5520]

I think we could have had Crimson Dynamo, Would have bean a great Challenge for Red Guardian.

[@therandomguyonyoutube6415]

Hot take: I know Marvel probably never would've done this, but making Black Widow rated R would have allowed them to make it a lot better

[@indranighoshal5232]

We're talking about the Big Mouse here, my man. And you know the Big Mouse never makes shit like that. It's too... ✨un-cutesy✨

[@mickdipiano8768]

I don't see how an r rating would fix this movie

[@naolerena3193]

Not a hot take facts

[@bigwilly43729]

@@mickdipiano8768 It can be fixed with it's PG-13 rating, but they don't really tackle any of the more adult topics head on like they could have.

[@princess-ky2iq]

no ur right with characters like her or winter solider i think with an r rating it could help a lot with the story, but younger people exist and they are not gonna let their kids watch a rated r marvel movie. that’s one of the reasons why i think marvel is much more farther than dceu with viewers

[@nulnoh219]

This whole movie feels like a set up for the next one.... Everything is built up but not concluded.

[@silvermist4110]

It's a set-up for Puge taking over as Black Widow 😕 sucks when we've been waiting for Nat's story, but they decided wait to kill her off to make movie. Guess they prefer blonds idk

[@princess-ky2iq]

tbh i still liked the movie but it’s not surprising knowing after endgame they keep setting up all these projects to set up an other one it feels discontinued something after a movie like endgame (which was kinda half assed knowing the russos also made catws) you need to start making complete projects again one at a time cause fans are gonna get burnt out. like marvel keeps on releasing a bunch of new films this year i was only planning on seeing disney+ shows, black widow (cause i miss nat and it’s her movie since 10+ years) and nwh, uom maybe even eternals. i don’t know about everything else

[@user-mz2ne4yh2t]

That's Marvel now: always a setup for the future, never enjoying the moment

[@phoqueme]

This really felt like YELENA'S movie to introduce her to the MCU than Natasha's movie

[@mr.j410]

You expected something different?🤦🏿‍♂️

[@parkeranimations3671]

@@mr.j410 yeah. A movie about Natasha. This isn’t Yelenas movie dummy.

[@mr.j410]

@@parkeranimations3671 your calling me a dummy. Yet if u seen the movie this is a set up for future characters..... Im so confused. Oh I'm a dummy because I saw that's it would be about the new girl before seeing it? Or Im a dummy cuz ur a dummy that didn't?

[@mr.j410]

@@zenith6758 did the movie not set up the Yelena or no? Your calling me dumb cuz I didn't have to see the movie to figure this out.

[@mr.j410]

@@zenith6758 AND I AM SAYING THAT I SAW THIS COMING. HOLY SHIT. I'm sorry you guys couldn't tell by the trailers that they were going to do this. I'm sorry I had foresight🤦🏿‍♂️ enjoy your day🤷🏿‍♂️

[@adamisrandom3150]

The film kept referencing that epic Budapest mission which would have been a far more interesting story to watch, and would have been more of a spy thriller that really put the best of past Nat front and centre Also did anyone else feel like the basic plot of this movie was basically a poor version of the winter soldier?

[@blackmantis3130]

Lolx yes

[@icecreamguru7584]

i dont really pay attention to the mcu enough to know which movie is which but during the sky base fight I turned to my friend and I'm like this really reminds me of that one movie with loki and hawkeye and the big sky ship - that was winter soldier wasn't it?

[@eljay5009]

Yep - plus the original Red Room we sawflashbacks to in other MCU movies seemed a lot more interesting, very John Wick Parabellum esq. This "floating fortress in the sky" and "chemical mind control" mcguffins weren't nearly as interesting.

[@adamisrandom3150]

@@eljay5009 You are so right! I loved the depiction of the red room in age of ultron it was far more interesting, and yes it was very reminiscent of John wick 3 unfortunately we lost that feeling in black widow.

[@adamisrandom3150]

@@icecreamguru7584 Huh I never even thought about how sort of similar the avengers scenes you are describing are to black widow as well (as well as the winter soldier) . Also if you truly are the ice cream guru then please bless with me with some ice cream, the UK is having a heat wave and we are all melting 😆

[@notyourmum7883]

I would've loved for the mom to have been the villain it felt like it was leading up to that and then it didn't deliver. They really did task master dirty - so much wasted potential with this movie and Black Widow's character as a whole. Also the opening credits were the best part.

[@GyroCannon]

It's true, the best parts of the movie were when things were "spy level" rather than "superhero level" My favorite part of the entire movie was the whole fight between Yelena and Natasha in the apartment. Everything was just two "peak human conditioned" spies trying to subdue each other with martial arts. No superpowers. No fancy tech. Just their limbs.

[@brucebane5043]

This movie felt like it was made bc they *HAD* to not bc they wanted to.

[@silvermist4110]

Yeah cause it was made to cause they had to give us a reason to actually care and like the new black widow 😒 cause they couldn't jjst give Nat her own movie before but will with new younger black widow.

[@johnleorid]

Seems like they are replacing all their heros by new ones that just don't live up to their predecessors in any way. Not humor, not skill, not cool dialogue lines, not being avengers, the cool team of sarcastic superheros everyone loves. When replacing them, they should show their unique skills, so we can get excited to see them in combination with each other, but for now the replacements are just a new set of faces and costumes for the same roles.

[@projekttaku1]

I hate this version of taskmaster. She's basically just a stoic silent goon, and her mimic power is never used to its full potential. The comic taskmaster is far better, he actually had a personality while being more threatening and his mimic power was used to its fullest. Also tastmasters whole purpose was to explain where all the nameless goons came from. And considering how this movie focuses on a secret spy training organization comic taskmaster would be perfect. Also comic taskmaster is a villain that can appear in pretty much anything due to his mercenary status, which makes him a great recurring villain. While this taskmaster is highly personalized and has a limited amount of stories to tell.

[@Luffy453]

Hopefully that wasn´t actually Taskmaster but a program inspired by his powerset (I mean, yeah, she seems to have his powers, so everyone assumes she is, but they never called her "Taskmaster", as far as I remember)

[@projekttaku1]

@@Luffy453 yeah I guess. Maybe soon in the mcu we'll see tony masters pick up the mantel of taskmaster.I really hope so

[@Luffy453]

@@projekttaku1 I saw another comment talking about the same thing, with the Mandarin as an example, so fingers crossed (I mean, these powers are a very good narrative tool)

[@projekttaku1]

@@Luffy453 cool. I think taskmaster (the real one) will appear in shang chi, maybe for one scene where he fights shang and copies his moves forcing shang to rely on his brains

[@Luffy453]

@@projekttaku1 Exactly. I also just thought, that even if this female Taskmaster is the only Taskmaster...the Multiverse is now open, so who knows, what´s possible now

[@Ninjimdo]

I found it strange that they hardly spoke in Russian 🤷🇷🇺

[@silvermist4110]

You know Disney. Can't do accents or speak in anything but English too long. May confuse us 🥴 cause how they gonna spell everything out if not English

[@Ninjimdo]

@@silvermist4110 tbh I was expecting similar gritty vibes like Chernobyl TV show. But this was far more American than I thought it would be

[@glebvinokurov5451]

thank god. whenever they did, it was very very bad.

[@sushigimme]

This is exactly what I was thinking when I watched the first Captain America movie. All the Germans hardly spoke any German at all.

[@silashurd3597]

But they did use fake accents but did have a lady from Europe (taskmaster lady) but she is mute so yeah

[@tobiasglendenning7966]

I felt like the last fight with taskmaster and Black Widow should have continued after the chemical was broken because the girl herself wanted revenge on her and that she chose that path and wasn't being manipulated. I thought that would add some extra complexity to. the character.

[@Gabriel-ir1zt]

Black Widow felt like a background movie you would see in a tv show or something.

[@arkeshn729]

Just terrible timing. Completely unnecessary this late in the Mcu.

[@leonartha03]

kinda Irony when loki the TV show has much more attention

[@carolineforbes007]

😕

[@kingslayer3365]

There's some solid criticism in here, I really hope Marvel is listening

[@maxh276]

They're not, they just care about money. Same with WB. It's a shame.

[@kadiriolanipekun6486]

@@maxh276 they care way more than WB. At least Marvel has a plan

[@jackrenshaw2236]

One small thing that annoyed me; in the final act, all of the bad guy henchmen are men... even though his whole shtick is having an army of super soldier women...

[@24601st]

werent all the henchmen just wearing full helmets the whole time? to me that seems like their genders are simply unclear

[@duckydae]

Uh yeah, the women are treated like currency and pawns, why would a misogynistic scheme actively put any woman in a position were their plans could be compromised. Case and point, Melina.

[@The-Man-On-The-Mountain]

Is not so small. Is blunt and gross. Is called propaganda. Everything woke turns to sht. This is how it is nowadays. And for the soyruk hai here, I didn't say it, Scarlet said this is a feminist movie.

[@lancereynolds3273]

I'm pretty sure the henchmen we're women too , considering that even Antonia was wearing a suit clearly built for the male physique .

[@Zephirite.]

I had no idea why the leader of the Widow program had an army of men to fight them. Was this army also kidnapped, or hired goons? Did Drakov expect a widow rebellion?

[@badbiker666]

"In a lot of ways I think Pugh really steals the movie." I could NOT agree more. I never heard of her before this film. I know she has been in several other things, none of which I have seen or even paid any attention to. When I saw her credit I had to look her up. She has a short but impressive CV. But looking back, I believe that all the very best lines in the movie were her's and David Harbour's. I love Scarlett Johansson. I have enjoyed every performance I have seen. But I definitely agree that Florence stole this movie. Also, VERY impressed with Ever Anderson playing the young (blue haired) Natasha. VERY impressive performance, especially the scene where she disarmed a soldier to protect her "little sister.". But I found myself thinking I had seen her in something else. She looked familiar. But that couldn't be right. I hardly ever see anything with kids in them. So I looked her up, too. Well, no wonder she looked familiar. I love her mother's work!!! Her mom is Milla Jovovich. Ever has many facial features reminiscent of her mother, but most especially her eyes. I hope she makes acting a career and does as well as her mom.

[@gateauxq4604]

Holy crap Ever Anderson has her mother’s eyes! I felt like I’d seen her before too and that is why.

[@Ceares]

I'm pretty sure she was meant to steal the movie since AFAIK she's taking over for Natasha in the MCU.

[@badbiker666]

@@Ceares Well, shit! That makes sense. I completely forgot to factor in Black Widows death in the MCU while retrieving the Soul Stone with Hawkeye. I believe you are correct and I am looking forward to seeing more of Florence Pugh. Think she will become an Avenger? If so, will she get a cool code name? The possibilities are delicious.

[@K05H]

Now I know why I felt a Fifth Element vibe watching a younger blue haired Natasha.

[@robgronotte1]

I would like to see a Black Widow origin story in the future, starring Anderson.

[@Supataco115]

Is literally no one going to talk about the fact that, at the very end, General Ross is racing to confront Widow and as there was about to be a huge confrontation, it fades to "two weeks later" and she's still on the run. Like the scene was literally setting up her talking to Ross and then it's just "oh I got away"

[@mehraanfernandes8167]

i think there was a deleted scene about that which didn't make the final cut

[@Arinaretina]

yeah true. what the hell happened back there?

[@ChateauLonLon]

@@mehraanfernandes8167 From what I read they did record a scene where Natasha gets arrested and put in a vehicle... but we still wouldn't be shown how she escaped. The director still wanted it to be up to our imagination. That's still very lame, lol

[@yaswante4105]

@@ChateauLonLon "our own imagination" AKA they had no clue what to do lmao

[@andreasmeelie1889]

My own Dad brought that up yesterday! I even told him that I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the actual Internet actually mentioned this! 😂 I told him to call it a big plot hole and he laughed and fist bumped me. Lol

[@krebooted5944]

this movie was begging to be heard, but didn’t end up having anything to say. edit to elaborate on my thoughts: the banger ass opening combined with the odd choice to produce the movie at all at this point really prepared me for something different that would justify making the film, but they didnt really supply that. it felt like somebody somewhere on the production team had a vision for a genuinely interesting story about trauma and found family that got completely diluted by disneys need for a summer blockbuster. now im not really sure what its core message is meant to be about. it has too much mind control to be about redemption and too much child abuse to be about the bonds between a family. it isnt fun enough to be enjoyable in the way venom is and it isnt thought-provoking enough to be enjoyed the way the dark knight is. its just such a bummer to see so much potential wasted where there could have been something unforgettable, all to satiate the mouse.

[@daveythesearcher]

I think that's a perfect way of putting it

[@chasehedges6775]

@@daveythesearcher Definitely.

[@krebooted5944]

@@fansee1368 i wouldnt even say that it needed to be an origin story exactly, i could really have seen them making something special set at this point in the timeline. imagine a movie about how abuse and trauma don’t define their victims, and how the avengers as nat’s found family are a genuinely valid alternative when her designated family wasnt. imagine them leaning into the fact that her mom was an animal-abusing eugenicist and her dad was a narcissistic bootlicker and creating a borderline horror movie from that premise. that sounds like a genuinely breathtaking film, but the issue is that they can’t make something that isn’t marketable enough to keep people hooked on the mcu, so affecting stories that happen to be dark in that way are basically out the window entirely. its disappointing to me in full honesty.

[@codyd13]

@@fansee1368 100 percent, that opening was great. I went into it thinking it was an origin story, the timing of it was really weird and lost all momentum after the opening. I wanted to see natasha in the red room, not just hear about it.

[@_thomas1031]

Agreed 🙌

[@Mathue360]

I've been frustrated with the MCU's approach to films for the last five years. I love comic book movies, hell I love movies, but i don't enjoy formulas. I don't want six movies that are all the same just with a different coat of paint. I think the success has unfortunately ruined the movies past and future.

[@ventusvanitas7544]

I’ve had my frustrations since phase 2. They thrown away source material.

[@jeffyng8658]

I don’t mind that Taskmaster is Dreykov’s daughter. The thing I care abt is the fact that her powers are now based on her helmet and technology and not just photographic memory

[@TalosBjorn]

Loved it tbh but the red guardian being a joke kind of sucked especially since he's pretty bad ass in the intro scene

[@grandmastercadillac9052]

Ikr he just got his ass kicked and put down at every turn

[@Ghidorah96]

Hint, it’s because of his gender he’s not allowed to shine. Pay attention to post endgame marvel content, you’ll notice it everywhere.

[@grandmastercadillac9052]

@@Ghidorah96 I have noticed it, unfortunately marvel seems to think u can’t get a female character over unless it’s at the expense of male characters.

[@ItsTheMineCraftMan]

@@Ghidorah96 didn't notice it in FFH, FATWS, hell even Blackwidow didn't shine in her own movie

[@argo9721]

@@Ghidorah96 so why wasn't black widow good in her own movie?

[@lukedahlinghaus6019]

I really enjoyed the characters and the “family” dynamic they have together. However that’s kinda ruined with Natasha now being dead. I really wish the MCU could take a risk and stop with the emotionless CGI final fights they have in every movie. This movie would have been way better if we could have seen Natasha trying to outsmart her enemy who practically created her. I am glad that her “mother” wasn’t the villain but I don’t thing she should have been immediately forgiven for her actions.

[@indranighoshal5232]

Who needs a decent plot when you got family 😤✋ - Dom

[@MrE_]

Femly

[@ogsloppnbiscuiitz1108]

@@indranighoshal5232 You spelled disney wrong

[@Sthuthukile]

The reason I don't find issue with it is because Marvel prioritizes its collective body of work over individual masterpieces. They have a comfortable plateau where even their "bad" films are still fairly good because they strengthen the established world while setting up new elements. That's what I was looking forward to the most in this film, how it fits in the overall scheme of things without disturbing the established continuity.

[@bongibot1104]

But it still resulted in a bland film. I mean, Guardians of the Galaxy is such an amazing film that made an impact by being so radically different and unique. This film adds nothing really

[@Cass_i]

It will start to get predictable and less people will want to see the movies or other projects. I'm beginning to be one of those people.

[@cadethumann8605]

@@Cass_i I'm already one of them. I stopped caring with all of these movies coming in. The only one I'm interested in is Spiderman no way home as I am curious to see how they handle the multiverse spidey idea.

[@mechengr1731]

@@Cass_i multiverse of madness looks insane though

[@c.w.k.n.5117]

I agree accept that this movie came out too late to meaningfully contribute to the overall MCU story.

[@emellisor7167]

I liked this movie, but the third act literally felt like watching a completely different movie to the point that it was a little jarring.

[@danhockey2020]

This felt like a later phase 1/early phase 2 Marvel film. Lacking inspiration.

[@jp12x]

There is a boatload of inspiration. It's just all in the drama and character relationships, not in the action.

[@drnanard9605]

No, it felt like a phase 3 movie. Phase 1 was all about setting up shit, phase 2 was all about figuring out what they could do with these characters. Black Widow, while pretty safe in its structure, dealt with feminist themes way more maturely and genuinely than Captain Marvel, which was phase 3 ; it also had this "antagonist who's a threat but also a victim" like Ghost, Zemo, Killmonger (although she was closer to being a kind of Winter Soldier, but you could say that Captain America 2 is kind of the odd one in phase 2, and feels way more like phase 3) ; the movie has also a proper identity, unlike phase 1 and 2, where movies kinda all look the same ; yes the techno-spy-thriller esthetic could have been pushed farther, but the fact remains that the movie is still heavily inspired by Bourne and other movies of that genre ; yeah, the movie lacked inspiration, but one can say that about almost every entry in the franchise, even Black Panther and Thor 3 had their *urgh* moments (the movies made by the Russos are, in my book, the only movies in the whole franchise that are absolutely perfect in every way, these guys are just pure geniuses, just imagine what they could have done with that movie lmao) Black Widow is far from being perfect, but I just find it very disingenuous to say that it feels like a movie that came out 10 years ago. What it doesn't feel like, though, is a phase 4 movie. It should have came out during phase 3, and before Infinity War, that's for sure. At that moment, the movie would have felt way better. But the real purpose of it was to introduce the new Black Widow, Yelena, which definitely fit with phase 4.

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

I fully agree.

[@xtensioncordtv1969]

@@styrojeff the reasons pretty clear the former head of the MCU was a sexist and racist who only though white men could lead a movie.

[@tomaszwota1465]

@@xtensioncordtv1969 was he a cartoon character? Certainly sounds so.

[@clockstomper]

Disney: Oh no, good character dialogue! Hurry, insert dumb joke!

[@oishibhattacharyya8861]

this is it

[@Talia.777]

Soooo True

[@commandercaptain4664]

Feige: What's with all this Killing Fields shuyte? Catie, don't make me Derrickson you!

[@gaiusx287]

yall laugh but this formula made them very successful meaning most people are into it. You really want a superhero film that takes itself seriously?

[@clockstomper]

@@gaiusx287 Winter Soldier had jokes without taking away from the story or characters. Humor is usually bad when there's a guy in a suit skimming through your script going "Why hasn't anyone farted yet?"

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

I agree, once they leave Melina's cabin the movie kinda derails a little bit! They should've kept the third act more grounded like the rest of the movie (yes I know it wasn't completely grounded up until then but you know what I mean ...)!

[@medievalmaxe]

This could have been Black Widow: Winter Soilder but we got Black Widow: Dark World

[@AndroidCovenant]

No wonder they get indie directors with little experience directing action films to direct these films. They get to pay less and the action is pre-manufactured by some department of the studio. At least their careers get a boost so I can't complain.

[@Spidey-oi5sn]

Indie director/writer: i don't have enough experience and i never made a movi- Kevin Feige: YOU'RE HIRED! *Iron-Man 3, Dark World, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Captain Marvel, Far From Home and Black Widow happens*

[@zabeerfarid7687]

@Sup0567 Ugh I hate taking risks on new talent and giving smaller directors a chance let’s get guys like Joss Whedon back on the scene

[@SamGautreau7]

@@zabeerfarid7687 Joss Whedon doesn't deserve another chance after ruining Justice League and Age Of Ultron only being decent

[@Spidey-oi5sn]

@@zabeerfarid7687 yeah! Let's sacrifice quality for searching new rare talent like a film school and not hiring amazing directors/writers like Edgar Wright! Let's hire inexperienced nobodies with a poor filmography like Jon Watts to direct one of the best iconic Marvel heroes of all time and horrible writers like the ones from WandaVision, to make a Black Widow spy thriller movie without any knowledge about the character itself. Here's the result of that rare talent!

[@Spidey-oi5sn]

@@fansee1368 it literally makes no sense, why hire shitty inexperienced writers and directors when you can hire much better ones who have more experience and style? To unlock some new "tAlEnT" ? That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard from Kevin Feige!That dude doesn't even sound like a total genius producer like many people keep saying, and the most ridicolous thing is that he chose Jon Watts (the guy who destroyed Spider-Man along with A&TW writers) to direct Marvel's first family aka the Fantastic Four instead of MATTHEW FREAKING VAUGHN! THE GUY WHO MADE KICK-ASS, X-MEN FIRST GLASS AND KINGSMAN! ARE YOU KIDDING MY ASS? This is pure INSANITY lmao XD

[@radiospines]

Black Widow should've a 3rd act akin to a Die Hard, Bourne or Mission Impossible. Human, grounded, smart, gritty and tactical ... instead we got "insert CG HERO 3rd act template here"

[@zunaidparker]

The irony is that they already HAD a template for how to do a grounded, smart, gritty and tactical third act, in a movie that Black Widow was in! AND it even featured an airborne ship falling out of the sky! How they failed to make this even half as good as Winter Soldier I don't understand. Black Widow has an even more intriguing back story than Cap, and they created SUCH a great dynamic with the family, only to throw it away.

[@eljay5009]

The floating fortress was completely unnecessary. I'd rather have seen the red room from the other MCU movie flashbacks.

[@sleeseeeeeeeeesh8278]

Spoilers ahead for Black Widow, but eh, you're on this video anyway: For me it doesn't matter if a character is changed to be a man, woman, dog, cat, whatever, so I didn't really think much of Taskmaster's gender-swap. As long as the character is good that's perfectly fine with me. I mean, look at Stormfront in The Boys, that was a gender-swapped character that worked really well, especially due to the performance of the actress and the good writing. My only real issue with Taskmaster in this movie is that they pretty much screwed up the character. Making her a tech-based hero and making her just be stoic and mysterious the whole film without dialogue just pays bad homage the character's original personality in other forms of media. Other than that though, the movie was great and so was the acting, just the main issue I have with the film is how they handled Antonia. Overall, 6/10.

[@benjialtman8390]

I felt like the movie was just fine. It felt like this was just the "Obligatory Black Widow Movie" with really no more depth than that. We know how much better MCU can be, and we even saw some hints of it in this movie, but it really was a letdown. Still, you won't get bored watching it.

[@davidshockley3565]

I actually loved it, I saw it 4 days ago

[@buffysummers5828]

This, it’s clear Marvel didn’t want to do anything special or really big with this movie, they just wanted to finally give Black Widow her own solo movies since fan’s have been asking for one for years.

[@arthurmorgan835]

Honestly it was kinda boring to me lol. But if you enjoyed it that's great. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't watch it because I didnt enjoy it though.

[@tristianprice4594]

A huge problem is that Black Widow just feels so "past Marvel." We've gotten used to the crazy, character driven MCU with WandaVision, FATWS and Loki, and this just feels like such a step down.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Ding, exactly.

[@realar]

That's why it feels better AFTER Civil War. Its saving grace is the chronological viewing.

[@kyotheman69]

wandavision was shit though, it started out strong, but became dumpster fire at the end, Wanda was a villain trying justify her to be tractic hero is laughable. Loki is dumpster fire start to finish, not sure why you giving these awful shows as examples, the MCU was good in phase one and two, it got tiresome later, MCU ended with end game

[@realar]

@Kadiri Olanipekun What was wrong with Doctor Strange?

[@Bald_and_Brown]

@@kyotheman69 I agree about wandavision. Loki was great tho.

[@jackal_9791]

It has a few things holding it back: - Should have been released in Phase 3 to add more weight behind Natasha's acts in Endgame and to flesh out the character, also would have avoided the obvious set-up of Pugh's character for future MCU projects (ie Hawkeye, Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts). Could explain her absence in IW as her trying to live a normal life - she was never an Avenger, why would she go back into the fight after having just gotten out? She is also absent from EG due to the blip, as she hasn't aged in the post-credits scene. As you said, other characters could have been explored more too. The implications that a Soviet Cap could have are important to think about, yet the movie doesn't dig into Harbour's character much. Weisz's character is forgiven for betraying them immediately, because the movie has to go on somehow. The writing, while funny and motivating in the family scenes, is lacking everywhere else, and the movie would have benefited from less focus on the action and more focus on the characters. - Mind control taking away any agency from the characters and therefore taking away character growth. Why is this character bad? Mind control! Why can't Natasha harm Dreykov? Mind control! It just feels cheap and it could have been so much more interesting to see characters act due to their actions rather than having every action dictated by a more powerful force. - Talking of every action being dictated by a more powerful force, the cookie-cutter ending is, as you say in the video, a bit disappointing. The action throughout is often outlandishly unrealistic to the point where suspension of disbelief is broken. Natasha is a super spy, not a super soldier, so stop putting her in situations where there are hilariously large explosions that she somehow walks away from immediately. Many times throughout the movie, I was wondering why she was so strong compared to previous depictions. It's because the screenwriters wanted more bombastic action, but this creates dissonace between the subject matter of the movie (manipulation, loss of control, weakness) and the fight scenes (physical excellence, able to brush off any explosion, myriads of faceless hencemen to kill). - TL:DR - subject matter and bombastic action are at odds with each other, super spy and super soldier mixed up, characters given no room to breathe.

[@StewartFletcher]

The first hour was fantastic. The second hour was mundane.

[@sthue1001]

I dont think he was lying when he said he fought Captain America. Rogers went back in time at the end of Endgame.

[@alexanderburton3791]

Now this is cool

[@NightcoreDemon]

That isn't how time travel works in the mcu though, you don't alter the past to change the future the past you are in now becomes your new future meaning at the time this movie took place there is no chance he could have fought steve since they didn't know how to time travel yet. Plus if Steve did go back in time and fight him then that would create a branch and the tva would just come down and destroy everyone.

[@seb______]

Uh cap wouldve been like 60 during the red guardian’s prime

[@amanmahdee4936]

The 3rd act problem u talked about is what I think Scorsese meant when he said that the directors and actors have no effect hence making these movies "theme parks"

[@ijimenez1951]

While I agree with a lot of the critisims in this movie, Scorsese just sound like he was mad cause marvel movies are more succecful than his

[@maxh276]

@@ijimenez1951 his movies are way more interesting & better in my opinion. They don't appeal to the masses like the MCU does.

[@1998Cebola]

@@maxh276 Scorsese definetly has mass appeal, his target audience is adults and not adolescents though. He has some massive blockbusters in his catalogue.

[@SandmanDeltaForce1]

I think marvel with its shows and now movies is more centred around on setting up what's next instead of what is. This is the same stuff we used to bash DC for couple years ago.

[@rickkmarks3488]

It's honestly sad. I watched it all of course, but if I think too much about post-Endgame content after my first view, it pretty much doesn't have any rewatch value. I feel like we are watching something only for setup, not for a grounded and passionate story.

[@markusmahadeo1374]

Thats what the MCU has been doing for years thats why alot of the movies are forgettable

[@rafinha7081]

@@markusmahadeo1374 facts. Right now somebody is pointing that out but in a few years people gonna go crazy. I don't think marvel gonna be huge in the next 5 years.

[@silvermist4110]

@@rafinha7081 yeah I drop Marvel after Infinity War cause noticed this even before then 😕 sucks but how it is ig. Was excited for Loki an even that while good was....lacking to say the least. My last hope is Dr. Strange cause we hardly got to see him much outside his own movies an his movie was so unique. [Although the eternal and snake eyes etc I jist gonna skip]

[@RepublicofLogan]

Hopefully the things they're setting up leads to good Marvel Content for the next 5-10 years

[@stanfordfeynman2796]

I still wonder: who’s idea was it to take one of Widow’s love interests and turn him into her adoptive father? Lmaooo

[@Beechwoodhome]

Watching all the recent Marvel projects I always get the feeling it’s just to set up the next project and they don’t really care about that actual project

[@pleopod]

Pugh is a fantastic actor. I hope she doesn’t get tied up in the MCU for years.

[@oneupnerd]

I really enjoyed this movie, I think the problem I had is how the red guardian was just a joke gag. I seriously was hoping to see him have some serious moments where he redeems himself in the movie. Regardless I still had a great time watching this movie

[@argo9721]

@Dwight No not really

[@SuperSteph5]

@@Justaaveragesworduser-sh9tg 2008 Incredible Hulk is probably the cloest you'll get and Ironman 1

[@eliasfigarzon9813]

No wonder why you are an mcu fanboy lmao just like the people who agree with you.

[@SuperSteph5]

@@Justaaveragesworduser-sh9tg I don't think they ever will make a movie that can keep a serious tone people love it too much. Some of Marvel's older Animation can keep a serious tone like Planet Hulk & Ultimate Avengers

[@Renoistic]

I enjoyed most of his scenes but he was completely wasted after the cabin. His only role in the final act was making jokes and getting his ass beat in a fight scene that didn't matter.

[@srivathsonsam2416]

Marvel should really reduce dumb jokes and color saturation 😂

[@Joecbg100]

Completely agree, and ease up on the stupid third act giant battles.

[@cullenavent6585]

I can’t lie I enjoyed this movie (and tbh all other marvel movies & shows beside WandaVision) but I think I agree

[@krazykitkat6046]

The end felt like a fast and furious movie they just threw explosions in for no reason.

[@doomgod314]

They did exactly what I didn't want with Tony Masters. I don't mind a gender swap, but this is no Olivia Octavius

[@mcnedelsky]

The only good thing here is that they can do a Mandarin thing, but even easier. Tony Masters can be a later character, with his same recall powers (that are also going to be introduced via Echo), and then he can just put on a similar costume.

[@doomgod314]

@@mcnedelsky or a better costume. I liked his newer looks in the comics (the early 90s, not so much)

[@calebross8174]

Man, I would love an Olivia Octavius that would be awesome.

[@roaringthunder115]

They took everything great about him and made a husk

[@tassothomas5186]

@@calebross8174That character is gender swapping done right!

[@gnarlyburrito5123]

I thought Red Guardian would of had an advantage over Taskmaster because he didn't really see much action. Taskmaster knowing how to fight like everyone else and knowning how other fight except The Red Guardian. Nope, he just gets tossed around.

[@trilliam8806]

He worded for the red room no? They have all/any info on him

[@gnarlyburrito5123]

@@trilliam8806 Yea not much. But from the trailer I thought that wat his whole purpose was. To have someone that Taskmaster never studied. Story wise is makes sense they know, but from the trailer I expected more from the Character.

[@thiagoalbornoz5062]

@@trilliam8806 Yes but you can't mimic super strenght

[@trilliam8806]

@@thiagoalbornoz5062 you can learn how to avoid whoever’s using that strength thru mimics tho lol. You could have the counter for every punch or kick thrown.

[@trilliam8806]

@@gnarlyburrito5123 from what i gathered about taskmaster, she doesn’t need to “study”. Just needs to see you do your moves once and she recognizes them instantly after.

[@Spider-Man62]

The intro and especially the title sequence was amazing and made me extremely hyped for the rest of the movie

[@Thickasian]

I want more Loki endings where people just sit there and talk. That shit was sooo good. I’m not saying no more 3rd act action sequences. But they should feel earned.

[@rafinha7081]

???

[@jpdominator]

The irony, this is literally a show you can go “put the kettle on” when the action scenes start.

[@ehsancandrive]

Yelena is the best character in this film

[@temanchi5006]

She look better than Widow no 🧢

[@chasehedges6775]

Florence Pugh is a very good actress.

[@dannymartial7997]

I think they did that on purpose because they're gonna bring her back for future films. She sorta HAD to steal the show because Black Widow is no longer here.

[@ybkid6513]

No shit this was clearly her movie

[@National7575]

Red guardian has the most potential abs could’ve been best

[@bobbym1799]

If the task master was the mom of black widow this would hit so different

[@SirCowduck]

When I saw this in theaters, I remember having two thoughts quietly occur to me during the first half or so: "I wonder if they're gonna have it be a girl in the Taskmaster suit" and "I wonder if Red Guardian is going to actually accomplish something, or if he's just going to be comic relief the whole time." Having those be way better guesses than I wanted them to be took a lot of the wind out of my sails in the finale. My beef with Taskmaster is less of making alterations to a character, and more that it feels like a bait-and-switch by making a totally different antagonist that admittedly does work for the story they were telling, and then slapping the name of a different villain on it to get fans of Taskmaster interested in the movie. I wouldn't have been upset about it at all otherwise, but being hyped to see him on the big screen only for Taskmaster to be a silent robot sidekick to the main villain ended up unnecessarily tainting my view of the whole thing. It did help me sympathize more with my friend hating Iron Man 3 at least.

[@snusemcgoose1001]

I went to see this exclusively for that scene in the trailer when it’s the Red Guardian vs Taskmaster, then only to find out that they’re just about to fight and it keeps cutting away, and then when it finally shows the fight, it’s just red guardian getting his ass kicked and then it’s over. I almost walked out right then and there

[@kinolokki5953]

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[@BigDog-kp2mj]

Bruh‼️ you went into a black Widow movie to see 2 side characters fight?? I mean what did you think would happen, Taskmaster is the “villain” and Black widow and her sister are the main heroes......WHAT DID YOU EXPECT THAT FIGHT TO HE☠️☠️🤣😂

[@FULANODETAL]

They forgot taskmaster dont got superstrenght..that cannot be copy

[@snusemcgoose1001]

@@BigDog-kp2mj It was one of the main things they advertised in the trailers so yes I expected a cool scene out of it

[@Jaco059]

@@BigDog-kp2mj wow it must be such a suprise somebody came to a marvel movie to see side characters. This movie wasn’t even about black widow. I’d rather see about red gaurdian and task master then dead black widow Solid 5 out of 10 movie

[@reedime5396]

They planned the action scenes and THEN wrote the story around those scenes. The final act where she is jumping out of the sky base was shot and planned first, and then they reverse engineered a story to get to that point.

[@gabrielgutierrez913]

That's such a shitty way of planning a story. One thing is to have a general idea of the tone and how you want the story to play out before actually sitting and writing it, but what the MCU is doing now feels like an industrial machine pumping out marketable, safe and bland stories. Infinity War was the last great thing Marvel did, Endgame was awesome but it wasn't nowhere near as good, and everything past that point has been terrible, including the shows.

[@taliascott5525]

@@gabrielgutierrez913 It's shitty yes, but Marvel movies do that now. Considering they put out 3-4 movies a year, even with thousands of professionals working on these movies, the action scenes take quite a long time to put together. They plan these action scenes first, and then the writers take these scenes and write the story around them. Ton's of work still go into it though, and it's the only way they can put out all these movies on time.

[@tomaszwota1465]

I wouldn't even say it's a shitty way to do it, if they did have a great working story and characters, and a bonkers final action scene, and they did all that by writing everything around the idea of that particular bonkers final action scene, would you care? Would you care if you couldn't tell that they did it? It's only bad because they kind of failed. But the bonkers final action scene was pretty cool eye candy, not going to lie.

[@yaswante4105]

@@tomaszwota1465 yea except for the fact that they didn't get hit once by the falling debris. I didn't need a complete death just some sort of injury

[@rafinha7081]

And that is happening with every marvel movie and tv show on production. Like, by the end of this year, they already have Captain marvel 2 and secret invasion fight screens already put together. Is good and bad at the same time.

[@jayse324]

I think if they gave her character an element of "I can't keep doings this" as in fighting. Only to be forced to keep fighting, right after Civil War. This can't keep fighting could also give some more umph into her giving her life for the infinity stone. Not only sacrificing herself but now stopping her internal fight and physical ones

[@mazimadu]

"this is gonna be a harsh video.." Guy, BE HARSH! The mouse deserves a good whipping!

[@thedukeofchutney468]

I enjoyed the movie, the action scenes weren’t anything special. But the family scenes were pretty stellar in my opinion. 7/10 not great, but not bad either.

[@chasehedges6775]

Family scenes: good Everything else: meh.

[@thegreenwizard688]

@@chasehedges6775 Disagree. Personally I hated all of the scenes

[@argo9721]

Not enough for me to really say this it's a good movie

[@mrlx1064]

That's interesting to me because I thought the exact opposite. Aside from the sky castle fighting, I thought the action was pretty well done. The idea of the awful spies and assassin's being family didn't work for me somehow. It usually has, that's the whole appeal of black widow for me. Idk movie's weird all around

[@rockon609]

True, enjoyed it a lot but the movie should have been more grounded. Give us more of the spy action like at the intro to The Winter Soldier. Also the villain(who creates SPIES) hiding in secret in the most advanced floating base…

[@thalesspinolafernandes2204]

They could make an awesome movie in the best spy style, just like Atomic Blonde, but they chose to do a forgetable one...

[@Trekkie46]

I've been having a sneaking suspicion that it's not just Marvel's fault, it's Disney. These have to be Disney movies. The theme has to be family or something along those lines. It's like marvel wants to do these serious themes like dealing with a history of bloodshed (cleverly disguised with the red ledger line), but Disney movies need to be for kids. Also I finally watched this movie yesterday. Sadly, I missed out on nothing. There's nothing mentionable or memorable. And that's depressing.

[@originalrkmorton]

Finally saw this. I thought it was a good movie, first two acts were a lot better than the Falcon/Winter Soldier series was at capturing the old Capt. America energy (my favorite franchise of the MCU). But the the third act was so drawn out and did lose a lot of the tension and drama for the sake of action and CGI explosions. Taskmaster was tragically underutilized. You would think with all the skills of the Avengers, and essentially anyone who she would come up against, there would be more circumstances she would be needed. A good 4-on-1 battle with the family unit would have served great as a fitting climax, not a cut-&-paste mammoth skyship collapse. I agree with the point that none of the characters really "earned" redemption or their reconciliation. Weisz's character didn't really confront the fact her science was used on Yelena. Red Guardian didn't suffer a check to his ego by being shown as inferior to Cap/Avengers, or how he was so easily disposable to the USSR. Natasha didn't really struggle with her past even while confronting Taskmaster, despite going thru previous MCU entries trying to rectify her actions. Everything was presented as a means to an end, and the protagonists were all gifted closure just because Mickey Mouse dictated the movie needed a family friendly feel-good moment. And as much people would have ragged on it as again overshadowing Black Widow, I hated we didn't see one last moment with Natasha and Steve Rogers.

[@mwkcope]

I'll say this: one part of the movie I really liked that I haven't seen anyone else comment on was the fight with the other Widows in Dreykov's office. That fight felt like it had the best action, a little bit of that John Wick/Winter Soldier magic, and the cinematography with the red lasers blurring a couple shots was neat.

[@DeanS946]

Different strokes I guess, as I hated that fight. As it had sooo much potential, tot be the big moment to show why ScarJo is THE Black Widow, but she gets beat and has to be saved by Pugh. ScarJo had zero hero moments in her own showcase.

[@tarekbadr7995]

That was the best fight scene in the movie and arguably the best fight scene in the mcu and no one seems to be talking about it. I loved how natasha had to fight like a 20 copy of herself and still managed to handle them even though she was clearly holding back.

[@DeanS946]

@@tarekbadr7995 no way was that the best fight. Thanos vs Hulk. Cap vs Winter Soldier. The entire Titan fight against Thanos. Black Widow vs the goons in Iron Man 2. Cap on the boat in Winter Soldier. This had the illusion of being great. Unfortunately, it wasn't.

[@tarekbadr7995]

@@DeanS946 I thought the fights in black widow were way more realistic and brutal, people actually looked like they wanted to kill each other, we've never seen this level of intensity in any other mcu movie, the amount of blood. Take a look at yelena's very first fight at the beginning when she was still mind controlled, it gave me arya stark vibes, also the fight between nat and yelena, nat vs taskmaster. The winter soldier has a lot of impressive fights but there isn't a single drop of blood and the fact that they're both super soldiers doesn't really give any sense of danger.

[@DeanS946]

@@tarekbadr7995 Yelena stabs a lady and twists the knife and there is zero blood. The first half's fights were definitely better, but they felt like teases for some great hand-to-hand later...but it never came. I didn't feel any danger as Natasha survived lots of falls and impacts in this movie that basically made her super-powered. You don't need blood for intensity. Honestly, if the MCU would just stop over-editing all the fights, they would all be 100x more "realistic" and brutal, as you can actually feel the hits more.

[@TheJmlew11]

I thought it was so confusing how this movie ignored past films. Black Widow’s whole story about finding a home and family was tied into the Avengers themselves and was one of the best continuous arcs in those movies. That and the fact that they made her real trauma at being sterilized be relegated to a joke in this film. Just some really odd choices.

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

They probably relegated her sterilization trauma to a joke here because in AOU, when she brought it up for the first time and said she felt less human and was depressed over how she couldn’t have children, a lot of feminists got upset cuz they somehow thought Marvel was saying all women feel like/are less human if they can’t have kids. So they probs thought the feminists would be happy it to become a throw-away or something. I thought her trauma over the sterilization was an important and frankly horrifying part of her story. It clearly meant a lot to her that she couldn’t have kids and I wish that had been explored more. Like, I’m sorry to people who disagree but being able to have children is fundamental to being a woman. You don’t have to like that fact, you don’t have to want children, but that ability to grow a child within you is fundamentally woman, and to have that forcefully stripped from you is horrifying. That doesn’t mean women who are infertile are “broken” or something, but there are times where that feeling rises and in general for Natasha having that ability to be stripped from her (quite literally) maybe does make her feel broken.

[@MrTeamFoolish]

Natasha finding a family in the Avengers is continued in this movie and brought up a lot of times. Not sure what you're getting at.

[@eljay5009]

Plus they retconned one of her biggest emotional baggage elements (and the largest red in her ledger), her guilt over killing Dreykov's daughter.

[@clivemitchell3229]

I felt it worked with Yelena saying it. It could not have worked coming from Natasha.

[@songwright]

I like you pointed out how Red Guardian has a great start as a character, but then that great start doesn't really lead anywhere. That being the case, his whole story should have been saved for another Marvel show or movie where they would have time to deal with it properly. That way they could have taken his story out of this movie and leave more time to show the relationship between Yelena and Natasha. Dreykov could have been mostly taken out. I imagine how it could have been if he had indeed saved Antonia, but not with a chip that completely controls her. It would have been more interesting if he had eventually died of his injuries, leaving Antonia to take the reigns and use technology to make herself into Taskmaster, swearing revenge against Natasha. She could have been the one controlling the widows. That would have made it necessary for Natasha to deal with her complicity. It wasn't necessary to reform Antonia. All the other widows were reformed when they were liberated.

What’s missing with the Black Widow movie 1. darker tone, though they did that at the beginning. But it’s not enough. They could’ve done better. Ever Anderson is good though 2. Back story of the red room training. Like winter soldier training the little widows and nat herself. And the psychological effects of the red room on Nat and Yelena. 3. Budapest. What really happened right? How did Clint and Nat became solid bffs? That should’ve been covered… 4. Iron Maiden or Melina should’ve been the main villain. Like in the comics. They destroyed Tony Masters aka TASKMASTER character. It was a waste. 5. Alexei Shotstokov should’ve been Nat’s love interest like in the comics. Enough of the male hero body shaming. 6. Ivan Petrovich should’ve been present in this movie. He was mentioned as nat’s father in Endgame. But why isn’t he present in this film? In the comics Ivan adopted Nat. And he recruited her to be part of the red room spies. 7. THE RUSSO BROTHERS should’ve written and directed this film. Cate Shortland and jac schaffer had a lot of SHORTCOMINGS. The movie was so badly written. 8. The film should’ve been released after civil war or winter soldier. It’s came a little too late for Phase 4. Don’t get me wrong I love Scarlett and how she played this character through the years but this movie was so late. A lot of us fans were expecting a DEEP DIVE of her PAST but we never get the chance to see what really happened instead we got a pixie dust and twisted stories. TO BE HONEST… It feels like the movie was a swan song, the origin and an apology. Basically overall it was confusing. I also hate the fact that Natasha was a secondary character in her own movie. Give this women her deserved Spotlight! I love Florence playing Yelena but noooo Yelena is bitchy, cunning and evil in the comics. They basically changed her. Changed her overall persona. MCU basically ruined Natasha Romanoff And now they’re moving on already with Yelena? Noooo she deserves so much better. I love Yelena and Florence but I hope MCU realizes the mistake they’ve done with this movie. Cate Shortland, Jac Schaffer and Ben whatever did an awesome job of ruining one of the greatest comic characters out there. Lols 😂 they should’ve hired David Hayter and the Russo Brothers instead.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I'm not familiar with Taskmaster so I can't say I'm hugely disappointed. That said, still weak villains, both of them. Weak plot too. And Yelena outshines Nat despite this is supposed to be the latter's movie; and not just any movie, it's her sendoff movie. Edit: Wow, I said exactly what you said.

[@kudusaudu1444]

scarlett said she didnt want it to be just her movie but an ensamble

[@yaswante4105]

I totally agree at least the action was pretty good although I still don't get why Nat and Yelena fought in their apartment

[@pentax2551]

They made an incredible spy thriller out of The Winter Soldier and they could’ve done it again here. It’s a shame they had to stuff so much exposition into the final act to try and blow our minds rather than do anything interesting or new.

[@yslchristian]

The intro part of the film was good, showing her backstory as her dad was a soviet spy and her being treated more as asset than a person, and with the remixed smells like teenage spirit and dark beginning credits went all together so well.

[@zettkusanagi6322]

So many "details" missed would've made this movie great. 1. Spend more time developing the "mind controlling" theme, its scary reach and secrecy. Missed an opportunity to shroud this movie in mystery and thrill with "hydra-like" secret yet everywhere presence. 2. Don't be afraid to show your hero's weaknesses. Missed opportunity to delve into Natasha's mind, what is she is REALLY thinking about, especially now that things "calmed down." Rather, show her moral struggles dealing with her past while both her past comes looking for her and she is trying to come up with a plan for the future of the Avengers. Show us glimpses of her nightmares, her random spacing out of regret events she committed, even a cheese "never got over how her family was destroyed" would work. Missed opportunity in showing how Natasha is fully capable of playing both Shield and the Red Room against each other. Missed opportunity in showing how and where she learned to manipulate people so well (red Room training) and how she uses exactly what made her a monster to beat Red Room + Shield at their game. 3. Widow is a screwed being, more than anyone else in the MCU. Missed opportunity in given Melina the initiative in coming up with a simple/effective plan to infiltrate RedRoom. Have Melina be a real controlled agent, and have Natasha manipulate her into thinking she cared or believed her for a moment. Red Room weren't really looking for Natasha. Missed opportunity in showing how Natasha can "use" her sister as bait. It will endanger her sister, push her limits, but also show Natasha validation for believing in her. Natasha is not someone quick to trust anyone.

[@anubusx]

The twist with Taskmaster was such a cliche that everybody saw coming.

[@kinolokki5953]

Taskmaster was bad, but how was the twist a cliche? I thought that the black guy who gives Natasha her secret identity was the poorly disguised Taskmaster and I was really suprised when it wasn't him.

[@anubusx]

@@kinolokki5953 That would've been a great twist.

[@kinolokki5953]

@@anubusx You and I remember the definition of "unexpected" very differently

[@FrOsTyBeArKiD]

I didn't see it as cliche until the whole shpiel about the daughter. Then I got super pissed because that's not the Taskmaster. That's just an upgraded black widow soldier in a different outfit.

[@shahanahsan05]

I noticed it the second they showed her blowing up,like oh “wow” Owen Wilson

[@spencerfrankclayton4348]

They tragically underused Red Guardian. I was really excited to see what he could do, seeing as he's a supersoldier. But they just made him a very charming joke character instead. If the movie had treated him right, we would have sympathized (even more) with his frustration at being imprisoned.

[@matiasdeya5330]

I just finished watching the movie. I completely agree with what you're saying here. It looked like a great movie up to the scene where the 4 of them get back together as a "family" and we get to see this werid family dynamics. That akward dinner when they are all in different levels of attachment really pumped me up. But then it crashed. Hard. The action scene where she's facing all the Widows didn't have anything on the line because we knew she was not going to die (Infinity war). I believe another reason why this movie's 3rd act drifted so hard for me was the fact that it should've came out before infinity war. Then we would've been able to fan-theorise about the red guardian joining in the infinity war battle along with all the other widows. I wonder where were they while all the infinity war/end game arc happened. Do you have any guesses on that matter? Anyways, great video, interesting as always :3

[@rayanvij3457]

I never thought much about Yelena and the fact that Melina was the one responsible for making the mind potion thing, but I agree with what you said about it. I also never thought much about and agree with the Nat and Taskmaster thing you said.

[@shn7085]

I really want to see your thoughts on Loki.

[@nunouno001]

While this problem is slowly being addressed by Marvel, my biggest problem with the MCU remains the overall in-house studio production cycle which hamstrings the writing and direction, causing them to blend together into a pile of interchangeable mush. Say what you will about the DCEU, WB mostly allows their directors to leave their unique and individual fingerprint on the film. Aqua Man is a fun action-adventure James Wan Film, Wonder Woman is a good war film till the third act and 1984 is a mess but both are Patty Jenkins films, while Shazam is a goofy kid adventure movie with David F. Sandberg at his very best. Even Nolan got to make Batman on his terms and while Zack Snyder's vision of Justice League was screwed, it was only after the underperformances of Man of Steel and BvS that WB interfered to protect their interests. Don't me wrong, WB was definitely in the wrong to do that, but after the BvS disaster can you really blame them for increasing their influence on the lynchpin holding their franchise's future together. Overall, when you compare the two side by side, WB just allows their directors to do their thing however they like it. Sure it lacks a cohesive identity, but it makes for a much more varied experience. One day you a goofy comedy action movie like Harley then the next you can get a heavy drama like Joker. The MCU just lacks that sense of personality-driven experiences.

[@DanielFolsom]

Yeah I think it's fair to say that Marvel Production, in general, produces thoroughly fine popcorn flicks with a rare, but occasional, very good film (Thor: Ragnarok, for me, stands out as one film where the director was allowed far more control). Fox, on the other hand, took far more risks, resulting in output far more varied: (Ignoring the first generation films-X-Men 1-3, FF1&2, Daredevil, Elektra), you have an excellent film (Logan), some great films (X-Men First Class, Deadpool), some good films (X-Men Days of Future Past, The Wolverine), a below-average film (X-Men Apocalypse), and some pretty-awful films (X-Men: Dark Phoenix, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Fantastic Four, New Mutants). Marvel's much more consistent, and on average produces the better the film, but it's also less interesting.

[@Orcawhale1]

That's really not the case though. James Gunn's Guardians of the galaxy 1 and 2. Joss Whedon Avengers 1 and 2. Russo brothers Captain America and Avengers. Shane Black's Iron man 3. Peyton Reed's Ant man 1 and 2. Taika Waititi Thor Ragnorok. All of whom are littered with each director's fingerprints.

[@prathapkutty7407]

Also James Gunn got full control to do whatever he wanted with suicide squad

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@DanielFolsom I'd honestly put Days of future past up there with the great

[@DanielFolsom]

@@athenajaxon2397 Yeah I think that one's borderline. It wasn't quite as interesting fo a film as First Class was, but I think it very effectively did what it set out to-have a movie that combined the old and new X-Men series

[@JakePrisk]

I love at the start when Yelena slices someone in the stomach sideways and there is like no blood at all.

[@SunnyGoesIn1D]

Right and in full tac gear in broad daylight just in the middle of a street. In a place where no one would be dressed like that or look like her typically.

[@AngelaJoshi]

I completely agree with everything you said. I wanted to like, no LOVE, this movie SOOOO bad and for the first 2 acts, I was there. And then the third act landed like a brick. So many things took me out of the movie. The whole reason for the third act on a floating base that Tony Stark could have seen anytime he flew in space. That the interesting story about the mom's complacency in the mind control was just dropped. That the mom being the Natasha was a "twist". - It would actually have been better if the mom HAD been there with the guy and turned herself around by realizing all the widows were just like her "daughters" that she realized she did love. That the floating base took like 3 hours to fall out of the sky. That Natasha was able to jump out of and then BACK INTO said falling building. That the whole sky battle just kept getting more and more unbelievable until it was just dumb. That after she freed the Taskmaster from mind control she completely ditched her and never went back to her. That the fact that she did cause the physical harm and decades of torture for this woman wasn't addressed. That everyone pretty much stopped acting in the 3rd act. That the bad guy's death was completely forgettable. That from the point where the Army is coming in felt both completely rushed and took forever. That nothing felt real or exciting happening in 3rd act. That the last scene didn't do anything to tie the movies together in a meaningful way. It could have ended on an extremely sad note...like Natasha finding out that her entire family was dusted...it would have explained her reasons for being so broken in EndGame and her willingness to do anything to get them back. I will say that I am looking forward to the next movie with the characters they set up here, but that is only because the actors all really did a REALLY great job, but the writing for the 3rd ACT ...SUCKED. I also wasn't impressed with the car chase scene or the prison breakout. Both didn't need to be SO long, or SO action packed to be as effective. The prison scene especially. Once the dad was outside, even though there was so much happening, none of it was particularly interesting and it was hard to follow. It just killed the momentum of the movie. Same with the car chase scenes...they both just went on for way too long! They really let down the Black Widow by not giving her a movie sooner and not allowing the movie they did give us to tell a good story without loads of badly planned ACTION and EXPLOSIONS!!!!

[@ayoutubechannel888]

I would have enjoyed this movie more if it was it came out before EndGame

[@WesDaviestravel]

This is the only movie I’ve ever stopped watching 20 minutes from the end. It got so silly. I eventually finished it few days later just cuz it was bugging me not finishing

[@craigime]

lol took me 3 days to finish it

[@krioni86sa]

the movie just run as a background while im playing games. not interesting at all

[@MegaDynamiteDan]

Yeah movie was meh

[@cristela4034]

Yeah, the ending was a mess which is a shame cause the beginning of the movie was promising. So much wasted potential.

[@okilfeathermusic]

I went to this movie just cause the cinemas were open again for the first time in ages and spent the whole thing trying to find the most comfortable place to put my feet, was close to dozing off. At least Wonder Woman 1984 (another only-in-a-pandemic outing) was bad enough to laugh at, this was just boring af.

[@buddieshadow]

I really liked this video. I was hesitant to watch due to the fact that I really enjoyed the movie and saw twice in theaters. But I do see your points. I wish Marvel would do a deep dive on how they construct third acts and do a little revision. However, they are also a bit of a machine at this point. Meaning, they are producing so many films/tv shows that they probably don't want to mess with their formula OR have the time to reinvent it. They may also know exactly what audiences want. We aren't talking about the MIB franchise or Bourne where those studios couldn't figure out in later installments what audiences like about the earlier installments so much. Marvel not only has had over 20 films and counting, but there seems to be no end in sight. And with their new shows like Loki and WandaVision, they clearly are evolving in their story telling and the movies may follow. But at the end of the day, not every Marvel film can be Endgame and take it's time telling these stories. They know they only have 2hrs and therefore need to be as efficient as possible. The people who are most self aware of their issues is Marvel themselves. But with people like Captain Midnight making incredible video essays like this, there's more of a chance that the higher ups will see this and may take all your great points into consideration. Cause the one thing any good company does is do deep dive post mortems and see where they succeeded but more importantly...where they missed the boat. Let's hope Marvel keeps on evolving and making better and better films!

[@damonsta38997]

I don’t necessarily think he was lying about fighting cap. Cap went back in time to live with Peggy. And with Loki popping up we know that there’s countless variants