Cruella - Why?

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@agent_w.]

nice

[@blmbeachboy5976]

You made the plot sound F*cking amazing mate....🤣 I might watch this piece of Sh*t

[@ne3856]

@Ethan Xander YEAH! DR PEPPER!!!

[@natejennings5884]

See? This is why I don't bother watching shit like this movie. But I have a ball watching audience reviews of those who made that God awful mistake. 😜

[@We_Are_Borg_478]

You've kind of become a Disney review channel. We get it. Disney is stupid. Can we move on to more interesting cinema now? Maybe talk about Bone Tomahawk. Or discuss Midnight Express. Or how about The Big Hit? Biloxi Blues? The Fan? Freddy Got Fingered? Training Day? A nightmare on elm street? Sniper? Blair Witch 2? Anything is better than hearing you whine about Disney video after video.

[@UnclePhilVevo]

Cruella’s mom being killed by Dalmatians is like having a Gaston movie where his parents are killed by furries.

[@Crimson03Ghost]

underrated comment

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Fucking Make That Movie

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Why are we not funding this?!?

[@ferdinandfrancissundiam7053]

@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic he's a male lol. Disney would never make a movie that paints men as actual human beings

[@chazzmccloud36]

Don't say that so loud, Disney might hear you!

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

Next Disney Origin movie: *Ursula* where she fights fat-shaming.

[@timothygremlin9737]

O God no...

[@arandomfox999]

I want to watch that. I really really do. The stupidity if the concept is pure brain dead entertainment. I'd laugh myself to death.

[@FGj-xj7rd]

Lmao.

[@Atreus21]

Dude, I already thought of that. I claim plagiarism.

[@snowyrabbitofinle1764]

HUSH! Don't give Disney any ideas!

[@Payuka23]

"Why" is a good word for these disney movies.

[@Ty-vj4wg]

Yes

[@governmeharderdaddy596]

Never underestimate those who recently bought Disney's greed.

[@lekhaclam87]

It is a good word for a lot of things nowadays.

[@wesss9353]

Cue Dr Malcom from Jurassic Park!

[@mlungisimokhethi6958]

"Benjamins" is the answer.

[@khfan4life365]

Between “there was no plan for the Star Wars sequel trilogy” and “Cruella’s tragic backstory is that Dalmatians killed her mother”, I hope every indie creator who has ever experienced self-doubt over their storytelling skills and/or professional competency is feeling very reassured.

[@lovetobe6118]

I really am. I have kept a lot of books a secret not even allowing my husband to read them much to his frustration, but there seems to be a plague of terrible story making that leaves me feeling perhaps I am wrong for keeping an "ok" story from even my husband until I feel like it is at least good.

[@erickay123]

Literally why I started writing and publishing my own sci-fi novels. That and the cynicism of "if we can't take care of earth, we shouldn't go anywhere else" which totally ignored how environmental technology boomed after the space-race. I figure I can't do worse than Lightyear.

[@mackfarlainethebarenakedau5113]

The writers of these films make my writing look like it was written by a genius.

[@tankerd1847]

You know they had a committee of writers who sat for hours around a conference table eating Panera Bread trying to figure out what made Cruella so evil. I mean she wants to kill puppies for their fur, does it really need a backstory?

[@mackfarlainethebarenakedau5113]

@@tankerd1847 No, it didn't. And their reasoning for Cruella wanting the dogs's fur for the sake of revenge is some of the cringiest, bottom-of-the-barrel storytelling which is so prevalent in the writer's rooms these days. It's actually another story that Once Upon a Time did much better; and Cruella's reason for doing what she did was the simplest and vest explanation you could give to a character like her: she's just a bad person. What other reason do you need than that? Short, sweet, and to the point.

[@Bathos-Opossum]

It’s amazing how Disney forgot in the original she was not even a fashion designer. Just a wealthy woman who dressed nicely. Even in 101 Dalmatians 2 she refers to herself as “as over-financed heiress”

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

And she specifically wears furs, not designer dresses.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

Exactly, she should have just been OCD for furs ;p

[@sirennoir258]

Yeah she wasn't even fashionable she had on that dress with her hanging breast

[@thisisfyne]

They didn't forget, it's just that the tragic backstory cannot work with loads of wealth. They cannot have a hero who's rich and evil, so they changed it all.

[@joshuauloho5871]

@@sirennoir258 💀💀💀

[@Meitti]

Disney made the mistake of trying to make it an antihero movie, when what they really should've done is to make it a "villain's journey" movie where young and idealistic girl eventually turns into an irredeemable monster. Thats why people praise Breaking Bad and Joker, they become genuinely bad people in the end, it doesn't get sugarcoated nor does the stories give any excuses for the protagonists.

[@ameritus9041]

Your comment needs more likes and is probably the most concise and accurate comparison of this and the joker I've seen.

[@syrenasketches6902]

This. Exactly.

[@5h0rgunn45]

It's because Cruella is a woman and the protagonists of Joker amd Breaking Bad are men. People, including the audiences who watch these movies and the people who make them, are uncomfortable with a movie or other piece of media taking a woman to rock bottom the way Joker does, only to have her rise as the villain. Authors and movie makers flinch at the prospect of tearing a female character down until she has nothing left, so they almost always pull a few of the worst punches. Even when those same authors and movie makers wouldn't flinch at doing the same to a male character.

[@lilhonni]

@@5h0rgunn45 interesting I don’t think I’d be uncomfortable with that, everyone starts somewhere and if that means starting at the lowest of lows a few times then so be it. Everyone has been there. And she kind of did hit “rock bottom” in the movie but obviously that didn’t make her evil. It made her love the dogs that killed her fake mom 😂😂

[@bluejay5401]

Yes! You've just summed it up correctly.

[@NASkeywest]

Why does Cruella hate Dalmatians? “A Dalmatian drop kicked her mom off a cliff.” - Highly paid Disney writer.

[@Ramsey276one]

THEY ACTUALLY WROTE THAT *AND LEFT IT IN* !!! XD

[@lapislovesgaming8739]

@@Ramsey276one to be fair they probably just thought they were making a parody and not a real movie

[@vincentbeton]

To be fair, that sounds like a valid reason. That is, if they actually drop kicked her WWE style

[@victorfox2972]

jesus, i thought it was a joke until i saw it

[@milesdavidson6920]

It's like reverse John Wick

[@antoniovasquez9946]

Will they now also make a prequel about the Baroness and how she really wasn’t evil, but had a tragic childhood that made her that way? Why can’t we just have normal villains? Cruella, daughter of some upper class douches, who always lived a privileged life and wants more and more power as she grows up. And she won’t stop even if it means killing puppies.

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

A prequel to a prequel. Prequel inception

[@davidkonevky7372]

Because we need more "i'm not like other girls" movies to sell to teenage girls. It's like the harley queen effect all over again

[@bigchungus8287]

And then the baronesses mom gets her own movie

[@thingfish000]

If you have to build a story around a minor character (or even a very effective villain), you are doomed from the start.

[@Bunninja]

@@thingfish000 It can work like in the case of Joker. But they wrote him in a tragedy where he embraces being a clown and villain to society, not as some antihero like Cruella.

[@frde2190]

“Her mother was killed by evil Dalmatians” That’s so stupid I can’t even process it. Edit: having watched the movie, I actually kinda enjoyed it but this plot point is still stupid

[@IamOutOfNames]

Hollywood in a nutshell.

[@ledfloyd9035]

Dog bad, woman good Now gib me moneyz

[@joel2628]

Honestly, those doggos were about a decade too late. Lol

[@Mr.Ekshin]

This movie was SO obvious in its intent. After the crazy success of Joker, this was Disney's attempt to cash in by doing basically the same thing with a female villain.

[@riftvallance2087]

@@Mr.Ekshin You see the key difference that Disney missed is that by the end of joker you are supposed to understand joker, you are not supposed to like joker.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

My running theory is that ones enjoyment of this film is directly proportional to the amount of time you’ve spent at Hot Topic in the last 10 years.

[@kaikrassin8096]

Interesting, the Vampires would love this movie then of that is true. 🤔

[@Mr.Rodgers7]

Neat seeing you here sean!

[@szymciupol]

Gotta be honest, i didn't expect to see you in this comment section

[@CoryTheRaven]

Exactly.

[@beamf]

@@Mr.Rodgers7 Yes!!!!!!

[@Nagram_]

Cruella: I was born brilliant *Gets* *outsmarted* *by* *puppies*

[@Saint_nobody]

Just goes to show: dogs > feminists.

[@Gotz_the_iron_hand]

@@Saint_nobody Rancid garbage water full of bloated, rotting corpses > feminists.

[@TimeBomb014X]

How about another joke Nagram, Cruella gave Roger and Anita the puppies who would grow up to be the parents of the puppies that outsmart her

[@josiahsugai8470]

Feminist logic: men = dogs, thus If dogs >feminists Then Men > feminists

[@TomEyeTheSFMguy]

@@josiahsugai8470 feminist destroyed with facts and logic.

[@jimdee5319]

The evil dalmations thing killed me. The worst writing of all time. "How do we make the dogs the villains so it is okay she wants to turn them into fur coats later?". Disney has some hacks for sure.

[@erickay123]

In one of my writing books, it said to never kill off the pets, people will hate you. They leveraged that in John Wick to make the audience hate the villain. But I think there should be a corollary: Never make the dogs the villains.

[@JoelKellenProductions]

@@erickay123 To be fair, some stories have made dogs the villains, like Cujo.

[@Spacemarine_Cassiel]

They aren't even made evil dogs.

[@JCDenton3]

"Because in this world fashion designers are so powerful they can orchestrate murders, manipulate police and local officials, and act like political officials in their own right" Ah, so this takes place in the Zoolander cinematic universe

[@louisduarte8763]

To this day, one of my favorite parts is David Duchovny as the World's Greatest Hand Model. "A finger jockey. We don't think the the same as the face and body boys; we're a whole different breed."

[@argonzee7017]

Lmao

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

With how overpriced the garbage they make is they probably could buy their way

[@stinkfinga4918]

Uh, epstein, anyone?

[@alxndrmzksm8387]

You had me there

[@boreasthenortherndragon6217]

"Dalmations killed Cruella's mother, that's why --" no, I can't even finish that sentence, that's tragically bad.

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

I saw a tweet that said this before I saw the film and I can't believe I thought it was a joke

[@chantrystarr4345]

I am sorry that u even had to say it...

[@shilliojr]

Lmao it's awful ain't it

[@ichisirus]

It's more f-up when the Dalmatians only did what they did on the command of their master/owner to do so...wtf, man?

[@sirlost94]

Martha...

[@Dreadjaws]

- Is named "Maleficent" - turns out to have been misblamed and tortured and actually cares for the heroine. - Is named "Cruella" - turns out to have been mistreated and had her mother killed by dalmatians. Can't wait for the Snow White adaptation, where the villain literally named "Evil Queen" will turn out to be a misunderstood mirror maker whose mother was killed by a snow avalanche or some bullshit like that.

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

lol

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

The dwarfs did unspeakable things to the Evil Queens mom.

[@alejandrocesarcaldi1334]

If the avalache is male and heterosexual yo can bet on your prophecy 100%.

[@sonowolf]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 i think that exists already, think its on disney xxx

[@platinumspider7859]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 But she begged them to do it.

[@SovereignStatesman]

Notice how only FEMALE Disney villains get retconned as misunderstood victims. Why not the male ones?

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Like Hans Reinhardt in _The Black Hole._

[@paulinapogorzelska4377]

Noooo oooone's Hurt like Gaston Misunderstood like Gaston directors choir: Let's hope this new movie will earn us a ton

[@DarkSpino306]

If there's a Disney villain that deserve his own movie it's Jafar. In my opinion at least. Cruella was an odd and dumb choice.

[@DiggitySlice]

I guarentee that bishop guy from Hunchback of Notre Dame will be the absolute last one to be retconned. Male, and _Christian_

[@joyamos29]

You know why😏

[@Mister_Clean]

I literally laughed when the Dalmatians killed Cruella's mom Jesus. Disney is completely out of touch.

[@Saint_nobody]

How dare you. 😜

[@LevattWolfheart]

It's the old joke "Why does your character hate mayonaise! It Killed his Father and Raped his Mother!" lol

[@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord]

It's a pity they're not completely out of money.

[@amaliadragan2480]

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[@crustycrumpetkaiser6734]

If only they killed cruelly too

[@luisenrique7240]

The part where Cruella jokes about turning the Dalmatian into a coat made the audience of my function clapp like wtf should I feel good about animal abuse?

[@jasonhahn8797]

The people who preach for strong females are also the same people who preach for animal rights. They don't know what they want.

[@trinaq]

Precisely, why should we cheer on a literal dog murderer, except because the movie says so?!

[@redhood7650]

I cringed at that part, especially since we know what happens directly after this

[@collegerebel]

Most people really are morons, aren't they?

[@redhood7650]

@@collegerebel Mhm

[@BalrogUdun]

When I heard that Cruella’s mom was pushed off a cliff by Dalmatians I thought it was a parody. I’m still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor after that clip.

[@magmos6346]

Know what the worst part is? 4/8Chan called that one YEARS ago.

[@jamesvanitas]

@@magmos6346 You got a link to that?

[@magmos6346]

@@jamesvanitas Sadly no. That was so many years ago, I thought Disney had a stroke of sanity and canned the movie.

[@MankindFails]

Worst part about it is that she only pretends to make a coat out of the 3 adult dalmatians. So adult dogs kill her mom, not enough for her to use them to make a coat. Yet she has no problem using a hundred puppies to make one. That doesn't make any sense. In the original she clearly just was a heartless fur coat lover, didn't needed more than that to make it a good movie with a good villain.

[@shayla106]

@@MankindFails She had also killed other animals for their fur, the Dalmatians were just the latest animals that she wanted .

[@kingofthorns203]

"She's not exactly a young 32." I DIED.

[@benbrutta8967]

@Macky Mark Same here. She seems like an at least alright person irl but she seems stuck doing these male hating projects lately. Her upcoming Yorgos Lanthimos film is the same man hating BS her last two films were. I guess go where the money is but still. She's better than that.

[@sail253]

Hollywood always casts like 30 year olds as high schoolers lol

[@sail253]

I also think that there should be more films and shows made around older characters though, like golden girls was a giant hit for a reason

[@enekaitzteixeira7010]

C'mon, she's not an old 32 either.

[@xminusone1]

She's certainly is a good looking 32. The women I know who are almost the same age, my own girlfriend include, (34) are looking the age they have. Maybe because it's very cold and dark here and it's not exactly florida or california and it wear people before their time but she's good looking and have more charisma than the bland actresses that Disney usually choose (ginger plank of wood)

[@Matteus2109]

It's ironic. The original film was kind of a critique of the fashion industry and these shallow, fashion-worshipping fashionistas. But the remake wallows in the fashion industry.

[@lordbuddybear]

They have so many outfits because they want to sell the dolls with every single one of them

[@frocat5163]

You can't really expect modern screenwriters and studios to actually understand the themes and messages of the much better stories they attempt to cannibalize. That would require actual effort and intelligence.

[@mookly1056]

dude but a Dalmatian killed her mother

[@thatonetitan8456]

@@frocat5163 clearly evidenced by Disney star wars yeah

[@sufianramli8017]

@@mookly1056 ....why would it in the first place? I mean aren't they friendly companion dogs?

[@ArcturusMinsk]

the moral being "act like a sociopath to get ahead in life" says a lot about this movie's creators.

[@louisduarte8763]

But as seen IRL, all too often, it works.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Well, it worked in Joker movie except the protagonist already had mental illness.

[@JosephArata]

@@margarethmichelina5146 Joker isn't the same at all. He's never touted as being a hero in the movie, he just cracks under the weight of everything and lashes back at society for the way it is. There's nothing heroic about it. Nor does he "get ahead in life", his life spirals into madness. You don't "get ahead in life" by murdering people on public television because you've lost your sanity.

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

@@margarethmichelina5146 Yeah. Because nothing says "I made it!" quite like being locked up in a mental institution and killing your mother, your idol, and your psychiatrist at the end of the movie.....

[@CmdrSoCal]

@@margarethmichelina5146 joker went to prison he did not "get ahead in life".

[@RogueFox2185]

Cruella in a Nutshell: The Villain did nothing wrong, YOU GO GIRL!

[@leyenda6149]

I hear you post in the Drinker's voice!

[@trinaq]

Yes, Cruella is entirely blameless, and can't be held accountable for her actions!

[@thatbloomer5642]

Oh, killing dogs and puppies for fur because they somehow responsible for your tragedies is *TIGHT*

[@justanormalinvestigator2640]

@@thatbloomer5642 Wow Wow wow, wow.

[@MariusWales]

Yay! Dead puppies! Everyone's onboard with that! XD

[@dirtnap9641]

I appreciate that you separated the actors and their performance from the shit they are given to work with.

[@helios0074]

"Dalmations killed Cruella's mother!" Stop Disney. Please. Just stop these films. For the love of entertainment, just stop.

[@JosephArata]

Do what I do, don't buy into anything Disney directly/indirectly. Stop giving them money and they might just loose enough market share to fire some people.

[@toddhowarddd]

That is exactly the idea you would get for cruellas backstory if an extremely out of touch idiot put exactly 5 seconds of thought into it and slapped it into a move for money. And look it exists! AND PEOPLE WILL WATCH IT AND GO HUH THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD CAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING STUPID FHJKASDFHJKLHJKLASDFHJKLDFADSF queue 1000 more of these garbage films i hate all of you film is dead

[@idawg7332]

That scene was one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've seen in a movie in years

[@garrick3727]

@@JosephArata Yes I am the same. I am lucky in a way because my kids were never that interested in Disney movies and I am not that interested in any Disney properties. I liked Star Wars back in 1977 but the Prequels made it somewhat lame and I just decided I didn't need more of that universe.

[@grantorino2325]

@@JosephArata So, you'll never again watch ESPN or ABC, or read Marvel Comics?

[@evilallensmithee]

There is a clearer way to describe the difference between Cruella and Joker: Joker didn't try to make him a hero. He is simply the protagonist in a tragedy.

[@idrinkmilk282]

dont even mention joker and this in the same sentence. this movie doesnt come close to joker in any regard. NOT CLOSE.

[@antoniovasquez9946]

One could also think of Magneto and X-Men First Class, and how he basically became the man that killed his mother at the end. The thing is Erik Lehnsherr has never been a full out villain, but a social leader who will do anything, by any means necessary, to protect his kind. Just like Malcolm X.

[@jyotsna3617]

Cruella wasnt shown to be the hero either tho. She thought of skinning dogs coz she thought their fur would make a good coat , she is evil , just like the original , she just didn't start killing puppies in this one, this is before that happened

[@tommatt2901]

@@jyotsna3617 6:36 start from here and then finish the video

[@captaindesperatehousewife2441]

I legit love how these virgins love to nitpick the movie simply because it does not meet the personality another movie have. Yikes

[@Shapershift]

The director of this movie said that he never watched 101 Dalmatians. That is enough to know about this mess.

[@thatonedude675]

You’d think you’d at least be, I dunno, curious about the movie you’re basically working with.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

Dear Lord

[@gab5754]

Uhm so it tells you it's entirely a different story line. So stop whining.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@gab5754 Uh no. It's tells us that the director didn't know what the hell he was writing.

[@riftvallance2087]

@Joe Bennett Its funny to me that cruella's name as an obvious play on Cruel devil, went over his head.

[@nuyabuisness7526]

Joker is a tragic film about a man going mad and becoming a monster. Through basically the whole third act you are hoping to see some kind of better ending, or at least someone stopping Arthur before he hurts any more people. Cruella is a power fantasy about how a woman carves out a place of power in the world by becoming the very monster she fought against.

[@crunchgirl6787]

Unpopular Opinion: The whole “misunderstood antihero” trope is getting annoying and overused. Not every antagonist needs a sad backstory. Some people are just evil. Plain and simple.

[@Foxyman18]

Like the Cruella in OUAT

[@corncrackerkid5092]

I absolutely agree

[@markcobuzzi826]

And at the very least, if a writer is going to try adding a sad backstory for an iconic villain, one should keep these in mind: 1.) Understand how much the audience should reasonably sympathize with the character, at each individual moment. 2.) Provide a backstory that could logically lead to someone becoming that type of villain. And do not undermine the villain’s sense of agency, by only having the character’s circumstances heavily factor in and not also the character’s own decisions/flaws. 3.) Make the sure the backstory adds to a character’s complexity, rather than consuming the character to the point of “Flanderization”. 4.) When the character becomes that iconic villain, be sure to maintain some of that same appeal, charisma, menace, etc. which made the villain great in the first place. 5.) In general, actually tell an interesting story in the process.

[@kylewilliams5454]

@The Silenced That's the joke.

[@mr.battle20]

@The Silenced Your mom goes to college

[@1988foxtrot]

Some quotes from The Atlantic article "The Cowardice of Cruella ." "The new Disney film could have embraced villainy, in all its complications. Instead, it opts for a cheaper sort of sympathy." "The whole thing can read... as a game of corporate-feminist Mad Libs" "Disney has given us an allegedly punk antihero whose defining goal is to be respected within the establishment." "The film embraces the glib condescension of the idea that every villain must be, somehow, misunderstood-that a woman can’t be purely evil, that she must have a softer side, that her currency is her beguiling relatability." "I longed for the classic Cruella: vain, vapid, willing to kill puppies, and never feeling the need to explain herself."

[@diegohaung2831]

That’s some increíble journalism right there

[@MrCurbinator]

Damn thats cutting

[@toddnolastname4485]

The Atlantic? The Atlantic is worth the paper it's printed on. (I'm hoping it doesn't have a print version. Meaning it would be worth nothing, since it doesn't use paper.)

[@1988foxtrot]

@@toddnolastname4485 That's why I posted the quotes. I found it funny that someone at that leftest rag sheet called out the movie's bullshit.

[@jhawk5109]

Why can’t people just enjoy a movie and move the fuck on. This movie doesn’t embrace the idea every villain must be misunderstood. The baroness is one of the most ruthless and heartless villain I’ve seen in awhile from Disney. Some people just want to trash everything

[@sirchadiusmaximusiii]

Idk what’s more cringe. Seeing Emma Stone try to act like a “badass” or Disney trying to make a dog killer a sympathetic “heroine”.

[@MrGreenCourier]

that movie is a exact copy of devil wears prada

[@surobyk]

You can say the same about Joker tho

[@JackTheSlayer-ok5eq]

@@surobyk joker wasn’t supposed to be a hero in his movie though (though i get what you are saying)

[@MariusWales]

I'm more worried about how Disney is telling little girls to craft themselves some flammable overclothes. XD

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Not to mention her hair makes her look like she's doing a Sia cosplay, especially the child actress. 🙃

[@user-pv7cq9bp5j]

It’s like If Jekyll and Hyde was written by a teenage girl.

[@The_Chef2511]

Written in ten minutes while she's overdosing on Red Bull.

[@0ffguy248]

@@The_Chef2511 *Monster

[@TheAdmirableAdmiral]

I mean the original cruella deville was a mix of the Penguin and Two Face who himself was based off Jeckyll and Hyde so it does sort of track.

[@electricbayonet2]

So...having Cruella tumble out the back of a garbage truck wearing a dress made of trash is supposed to be part of a triumphant montage displaying her super-totes-amazing fashion design skills? Because back in 2001 when _Zoolander_ showed us 'Derelicte,' we were supposed to be _laughing_ at the idea of literal garbage being glamorized as high fashion.

[@BillPeschel]

What really hurts is that I've seen fashion designers doing their take on Derelicte.

[@kwazhims3lf]

bravo, i'm not kidding, i read this, stood up and began clapping, bravo.. im throwing roses at my monitor

[@RipRoaringGarage]

Didnt Cindy Lauper do this in the 80s with garbage, like literal garbage clothes? I only found it memorable because of a skirt made from shredded newspapers. And yeah...rain...or just...I mean..shredded anything. Maybe I was watching to much pr1n at the time. Seemed like a plot device for some...never mind. But still...trash.

[@georger64]

Hush, Zoolander has blackface in it, don‘t ever mention it again. I‘m still not sure if “black lung“ is cultural appropriation.

[@TheAcad3mic]

That's because Zoolander is actually a legitimately brilliant comedy, a genuine high water mark for a lot of reasons, that had the great misfortune to come out right around September 11 2001 and not really get the recognition it deserved.

[@Noperare]

So basically "The Joker wears Prada", except they failed to capture the essence of either movies.

[@XxXDestroyer]

I didn't get Joker at all tbh, the trailer felt more Joker then the movie actually does. It felt like it's own thing, just not great.

[@CS_GOD64]

@@XxXDestroyer facts

[@XxXDestroyer]

@@jellyfishi_ Yeah I liked Joker, but as you said Joker is really just the title. I hardly consider it a comicbook character movie, the movie could have been titled anything tbh.

[@amaliadragan2480]

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[@lowdownpapaya7292]

@@jellyfishi_ very well said I agree completely

[@Just2532yd]

Cruella hating Dalmatians because they throw her mom off a cliff is one of the funniest things I’ve heard in my life, Disney really puts no effort on their products now.

[@studentebassosebastian1167]

@@goodiesfeats2252 In the past.

[@dedalionarts6077]

I didn't watch a movie yet. But I had hearded even stranger thing's. Or to put it better, that even tho she supousydly "hated" dalmation's. She gived two of them to Anita, and Roger. And those Dalmation's where sibling's. And if this film is somehow an "prequel" to the original story, you known what that mean's.

[@Just2532yd]

Goodiesfeats Remember that it’s the same company that made Fantasia, the original Dalmatians movie, Alice in Wonderland, Snow White, Bambi, the Lion King, etc.

[@umapessoa240]

Yet apparently her hatred of dalmatians never comes up again... meaning this absolutely bonkers attempt at a sympathetic motivation was created for nothing

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

Drop kicking dalmations are tight!

[@StonersRadio]

This movie confuses the hell out of me. Knowing the character's history I'm not sure how the writers expected to create a tragically flawed, yet sympathetic character that people could "relate" to when said character has a history of murdering puppies, for fun. Makes me wonder if the writer's have a history of murdering puppies themselves.

[@drewbydoobydoo2918]

Star Wars did it.

[@ss5ringo]

Wait wait wait. Cruella's mom was dropkicked off a cliff by dalmation guard dogs? That's...really fucking funny.

[@Efeaozyurt]

@Miguel Messina No because it's absurd... which IS expected from an absurd crime comedy movie lmao

[@Efeaozyurt]

@Miguel Messina yeah… thought that was a given tbh..

[@fishingrod2253]

i was so confused if to laugh or take it seriously

[@dilungmoveityafool777]

That's not even her mom. Cruella's mom is the Baroness. So, the whole point the Critical Drinker made about us trying to cheer on Cruella became moot upon the plot twist. She was born evil. The movie is a mix between Maleficent, Bird of Prey, and Joker. In the end, it's Disney mining another IP. The writers realized how stupid Cruella is, hence the plot twist. You're trying to get the audience to care about a woman, whose sole obssession was to kill Dalmations to make coats out of them. They know it's stupid, we know it's stupid. I could rant on, but I'm not.

[@bobcostas6272]

@@dilungmoveityafool777 so its shite

[@TheDreamingJune]

Finding out that one of the Dalmatians dropkicked Cruella's mom to her death makes this film hilarious on a whole other level.

[@GrampaJoe]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Rish24]

Watch out watch out watch out .... RKO ! Outta nowhere

[@13thKingMu]

And it is a very dumb reason like if she died by Dalmatians bite then it would make much sense but still a dumb reason mainly for she used them as a f*cking coat like wtf

[@MariusWales]

Up next, Ursula get's revenge after her father got smacked to death by a mermaid. XD

[@vovabars1234]

When I heard the resoning for her hatred of Dalmatians I thought it was a parody, like, how is this NOT a parody?

[@kendzo92]

I'm expecting a Smaug origin story where we find out he was saving that gold for the starving chuldren of Gondor.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

Smaug is actually a single black mother

[@strategicviewpoint6672]

@@thehoerscorral8565 Smaug is a Burn Loot Murder co-founder bent upon developing their property portfolio......

[@thehoerscorral8565]

@@strategicviewpoint6672 Said the donations were for her people but instead hoarded it all inside a mountain kingdom... oh wait

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

@@thehoerscorral8565 lol

[@arandomguy3288]

Hey a story of a dragon would be awesome

[@scionofdorn9101]

"She wants to skin puppies for their fur." "Yeah, what a lady. She's my hero. We should make a movie about her." "..."

[@dr.latency34]

...

[@mushrooms5757]

...

[@toniotrussardi8126]

bet she works for peta

[@desmondpeters7784]

"...and then the dalmatians push her mom off of a cliff" ~Actual writer for a REAL movie (2021)

[@gab5754]

But the dalmatians were not blamed in the movie

[@thientuongnguyen5002]

@@gab5754 Still not justifying the main movies when she literally tried to kidnap dalmation pups to SKIN THEM for COATS

[@shayla106]

@@gab5754 Still doesn’t make it any less stupid. Also, it makes the whole Dalmatians killing her mom thing pointless.

[@duckyjoel5373]

@@gab5754 looks hilarious and stupid no matter what reasons there are

[@markusfreund6961]

@@gab5754 Explain how that is a counter argument.

[@arnold3768]

Cruella - strong, brave woman fighting against toxic Dogarchy!

[@Saint_nobody]

That'll show Doge Coin! 😄

[@conservativeguitarsingerjs7937]

Cane-archy?

[@AlexParkYT]

@@conservativeguitarsingerjs7937 Dogarchy? Cane-archy? Hotel? Trivago.

[@milton7763]

I bet those were all male dogs that pushed her mommy over the cliff

[@Humphking]

@@milton7763 lmao

[@thetraveller1246]

“Bloated and self-indulgent” - Like every Disney movie made in recent years

[@timeweston]

Reflecting the audience base.

[@Mr.Ekshin]

An OBVIOUS attempt at a cash grab. After the crazy success of 'Joker', this was Disney's attempt to cash in by doing basically the same thing, but with a female villain.

[@davidwilliams7723]

Just like I like my women ! Wait...

[@stijnvdv2]

So basically this is just a cheap The Devil Wears Prada rip off... but then executed 100000 times WORSE. Typically Disney though.

[@markusfreund6961]

@@davidwilliams7723 I like my women like I like my coffee: tall, aromatic, and free of hair. 🍻

[@redjirachi1]

Disney Executive: Which one of our classic villains should we give a sympathetic POV? Disney employee 1: How about someone who wasn't that evil in the source material like Hades? Disney Executive: No Disney employee 2: How about someone who was arguably worse in the source material? Disney Executive: GENIUS! The moral of the story is don't use the cocaine before a board meeting

[@steprockmedia]

Wheel of Morality: "Animal abuse is cool!" Audience: uhh.....

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

Months later.... The SPCA announces they will no longer rescue Dalmatians.

[@STOCKHOLM07]

Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn, tell us the lesson that we should learn.

[@B88-h6n]

everything is ok if you are from the oppressed

[@Mike14264]

Oh, so it did go that direction! Sucks for them, I ain't watching it!

[@kaiseryakkovonwarner8783]

@@STOCKHOLM07 You can teach an old dog new tricks, but you can never teach Madonna to act.

[@crossbones116]

They legitimately gave her Batman's origin but with dogs instead of crime.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

The images that conjures...

[@garethstewart9989]

this reminds me of the meme that batman tried to make his suit like a dog but he didn't know how to sow

[@MariusWales]

And with that, Catwoman was born! Vengeance against all dogs!

[@vetrais7965]

@@MariusWales yeah but Cruella didn't hate the dogs that murdered her "mother". She let them live with her. They went to her funeral, and moved in with her into the mansion. They even hung around long enough to have puppies

[@hubertberrum6242]

@Lord Revan actually since they were bred

[@TurelBS]

We all know why Disney made this movie: they needed a Harley Quinn, so they tried to make Cruella a Harley Quinn like character, but it just doen't work like that.

[@kovacthesaggy4014]

THis somehow makes Harley QUinn look unhinged.

[@Sun.Shine-]

I felt that too. They tried to make her HQ

[@EliteRock]

You're right, as a few others have also glommed. They even went as far as getting the nearest thing to Margot Robbie they could find, in the form of Emma Stone, and managing to completely blind-side themselves to the stunningly bad casting choice in the process. What utter morons must be running the show in show biz now.

[@ignaciotaborda6538]

lol at one moment watching Drinker's video I thoguht "hhhmm i owuld have liked Emma Stone as Harley Quinn"

[@PwnZombie]

Holy shit I thought Emma Stone and Margot Robbie were the same person until now...

[@joelfisher3732]

I just have to say that I hate that they turn Cruella into some kind of outcast. She is pretty clearly a queen bee type in the original -- the leader of the pack that no one should question. In fact, it seems like Anita was only her friend because it was much easier than being against her.

[@TotallyNotAFox]

"What did dalmatians do to her, kill her parents?" - "Yeah, about that..."

[@Ramsey276one]

FOR REAL?! Q_o

[@MiraSubieGirl]

Dumbest thing ive ever seen in a Movie ever.

[@MiraSubieGirl]

I love how they tried to make Dalmatians look evil too 😅 WHO at Disney makes these decisions for real? Hahaha

[@djdeadbeat4380]

What is with this Disney obsession with justifying or redeeming their female villains? They’re bad people, period. End of story. Their being women has nothing to do with their villainy, their choices as people do.

[@blaineprentice3128]

But women are always the victim.. at least that's what the media have been force feeding everyone for years now... I'm surprised it wasn't a white male in a dalmatian costume that was the real villain.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Because a white woman (the most empowered being in the history of earth) can't be shown as wholly evil. There must be a "reason" It's society's fault. It's her parents fault. Never her own decision.

[@MariusWales]

They would never do it with Jafar or Scar. Only then would Disney say that it'd be wrong to try to justify evil.

[@CoryTheRaven]

The Disney Villains are popular. They have merchandise and their own branding. People are legit fans of them. Hell, *I* like them. I'm not rooting for the villain to win, but they're always the most fun character in their movies. Disney wants to mine that for IP, but they can't bring themselves to do a movie from the villain's point of view. They could never do a Joker. So they try to switch it up so the villain is actually the misunderstood hero... However, NOBODY LIKES THE VILLAINS BECAUSE THEY'RE MISUNDERSTOOD HEROES. They like the villains BECAUSE THEY'RE VILLAINS. Nobody wanted the story of Sleeping Beauty to be "opposite day" where Maleficent was actually the hero. Maleficent is cool BECAUSE she's evil. We wanted the story of why she's so evil, not why really she's the good guy.

[@visionist7]

Watch them turn octopus lady villain in little mermaid into a hero

[@asherglory]

“Because apparently in this world fashion designers are so powerful they can orchestrate murders and manipulate police and local officials” Zoolander prequel confirmed?

[@carljohan9265]

Holy shit, fashion designers are mafiosos! How could this have escaped all of us?

[@michaelkriston8477]

@@carljohan9265 Adam, Eve and Steve? Seriously? YOU BELIVED THAT?

[@starkillersneed]

But why male models?

[@AliceUngoliant]

They even have a scene with her wearing a gown of garbage. Derelicte confirmed?

[@seanpaddy5919]

You do no fashion designers are incredible rich and could just bribe them, if you gonna try and poke holes in a film at least do it right.

[@s3.14dervision]

Cruella vandalizes a store window and becomes a fashion icon, but when I do it I get community service!!

[@falconizer642]

They saw Joker and were like, "Who can we use to do the same story?" And chose the woman who wanted to skin puppies.

[@whitemoonwolf13]

Fuck they could have done that with Ursula. Whole big family conflict between her and triton that leads to her banishment and subsequent revenge. Would have worked way better than the villain who just likes furs.

[@Penncentral-vr6mg]

That's what I was thinking the whole time a women who is pushed around and hates her boss has a big personality change and makeover and goes on a crime spree. I was like this feels like joker months ago.

[@bigboi5545]

@@whitemoonwolf13 An Ursula movie would also have the added benefit of being prime material for a black female lead. You have a good story there, on top of the diversity quota lol

[@gvirusqueen3559]

@@bigboi5545 Ursula was modeled after a white drag queen, what about her screams “black female” to you? I’m genuinely curious.

[@FalonGrey]

The thing is, they have such poor understanding as to WHY the Joker is a villain, not by what he does, but the reason behind it, in that he's trying to get Batman to break his rule by embodying Chaos, while Bats embodies Order. But no, they see a man wearing makeup, killing people, and laughing, and their single digit IQs go "Huh, man kill man make good movie character."

[@pokcow01]

Cruella's parents were unattentive rich snobs who literally referred to her as "allowable tax excemption schedule C Line 4" And she's obsessed with dalmatians because they would never buy her one. This movie isn't canon.

[@vladimirplantin6307]

Wait, where did you hear this backstory from?

[@pokcow01]

@@vladimirplantin6307 The Christmas special of the 90's show

[@Zara-Bari]

Wow, that sure wasn't in the book.

[@bigchungus8287]

You to watched the Christmas special. goat

[@MrManatee101]

Dude, 101 Dalmatians doesn’t have “canon”. It’s an animated Disney movie that had one somewhat well received live action version. It’s not like there’s lore here 😂 I can’t believe you have to call this “not canon” as if this exists in some multi-story universe. No one ever, and I mean ever, will watch the original animated movie and be like “ooh ooh! Remember cruella from that movie we watched! Remember her cool origin story in that live action movie?” No one will ever even consider these two things related, the only thing is the black and white hair that barely reminds me of the original movie

[@petermay8572]

Someone sat down and was like "I want people to identify with someone who kills puppies."

[@forwhy8723]

not all of us have an obsession with dogs. you sound like one of those sensitive vegans 😂

[@thefallenfaith1986]

@@forwhy8723 I found the dog eater

[@forwhy8723]

@@thefallenfaith1986 yes you got me. It's a little known fact that dog eating is a speciality here in England 😂

[@cindyl2444]

@@thefallenfaith1986 what’s wrong with that? Are you a sensitive vegan?

[@thefallenfaith1986]

@@cindyl2444 Why, of course not; I just have an extreme prejudice against those that, while human, do not deserve to be counted as people and woud best be descrbed as subpeople - such as yourself.

[@jockeyfield1954]

"the movie does not try to frame him as some sort of cool, edgy, anti-hero" unfortunately, every person on the internet sees him as one

[@Justcarlosdiaz]

And what does that have to do with what he said..? You aren't responsible for how people interpret your art.

[@fotzegamingandmedia1840]

When I heard that dalmations killed Cruella's mom, I laughed and thought it a joke. Oh, how foolish I was.

[@Left4Coragem]

And it's not even by mauling her. The dog dropkicks her off a cliff. Funniest shit i saw in a dysney movie. :P

[@EvilDoresh]

It's like unnecessary prequel movies are cursed to overexplain every little character quirk we've seen in the original movie. Bonus points if the explanation doesn't actually make sense (Cartoon Cruella only wanted to kill the puppies because they'd make for a nice coat; that's it, really).

[@commandercaptain4664]

It's her mom's fault for not having literal parachute pants.

[@lilhonni]

@@commandercaptain4664 she wasn’t expecting herself to be kicked off a cliff😂

[@arjunmanoj2155]

She doesn't even blame the dalmatians though (blames herself for provoking & leading them to her mother). Not to mention later on it's revealed that it was actually the Baroness character who set the dalmatians on her mom with a dog whistle. Y'all just blindly hating for the sake of it.

[@blazefangaming2678]

"Sir, Cruella is literally a villain that wants to kill puppies. How can we make that sympathetic?" "Easy. We show a scene where evil puppies murder her helpless mother." Just when you think Disney's potential for absurdity has been reached, they take it further.

[@Ramsey276one]

THEY ACTUALLY WROTE THAT *AND LEFT IT IN* !!! XD

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

What's the problem with that tho? It's not like Cruella actually hurt the dogs in the movie, she actually saved some in the end, lmao..

[@allenallen9879]

@@beinerthchitivamachado9892 And try to kill them again.

[@Max-qt5lb]

You talk about this story element as if it wasn't meant to be an absurd, tongue-in-cheek joke... It's funny and it's a great reminder that the movie is not to be taken seriously, it is just an excuse to let Emma Stone go glam-punk rock crazy. People are watching and enjoying this movie for her performance and the outrageous fashion. The experience is working for basically everyone who isn't a nerdy fanboy crying about woke culture

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

@@allenallen9879 What the fuck are you talking about? In the movie she never hurt the dogs, once again, she saved two puppies from the one dalmatian that was pregnant.

[@JohnDoe-hr4cf]

“...And then the Dalmatian did a backflip, snapped the mother’s neck, and doomed the world.”

[@ElderSnake90]

Wow wow wow wow wow... W wow.

[@lvvylwy961]

Wow wow, wow wow wow wow wow Edit: lol almost identical comments at the same times are tight!

[@verychocolateychocolate]

Backflips are tight 😎

[@crashedforeigncar]

Huh, is this a reference to that guy's video of the first novel ever created?

[@SkeletronGames]

Making references is super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[@jeniferclemente1252]

It wasn’t just Dalmatians that made her crazy for fur. She was obsessed with skinning rare or endangered species. Hence the white tiger in the first live action. And one design lead her to wanting to skin puppies for a fur coat. She moved from endangered exotic animals to domestic animals which became a scarier twist to her personality. This film shows non of that…

[@SheldonAdama17]

This movie should have ended with John Wick coming after Cruella.

[@Lordeightbane]

A crossover , we didn’t know we needed

[@Rish24]

Obviously cruella would win, because John Wick is a straight white male

[@SheldonAdama17]

@@Rish24 John Wick: You sure about that? (Sharpens pencil)

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

I knew I couldn't have been the only one thinking this.

[@tritran7565]

@@SheldonAdama17 they'll make john wick gay then lol, it just get worse

[@thisisfyne]

1:51 "Her mom gets pushed off a cliff by some evil Dalmatians" That eyeroll actually hurt. This is some dumb shit on the level of Nick Fury's eye injury backstory in the MCU. I also cannot condone the fact that she gets her chance in life not with actual hard work or talent, but by acting out on her childish drunken tantrum ie. vandalizing someone else's work. Once again, a modern female character gets rewarded for being an asshole.

[@nealsterling8151]

Perfectly said.

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

Literally! It boggles me that the 101 Dalmatians live action film from the 90's was allowed to be so dark but this is just crap. Cruella should be a slave to her desires/fashion and nothing should stand in her way. No damn family with Horace and Jasper. And Don't get me started with that after-credits scene.

[@justadudeh3re]

Wait, they seriously pulled the "Dalmatian killed her parents" thing? I honestly thought that was a meme. Disney needs to get it's shit kicked in for insulting us with writing this bad.

[@gab5754]

Watch the movie. This guy is just twisting things. Watch and you'll understand. She did not even hate the dalmatians from start to finish, the movie was partially an ode to dogs actually.

[@Mr.Ekshin]

@@gab5754 - It's a Disney cash grab, and an obvious 'Joker' rip off.

[@gab5754]

@@Mr.Ekshin the only similarity was they're both villain origin stories. Watch the movie. Do you say the same thing with hero origin stories? Haha

[@shayla106]

@@gab5754 He didn’t twist things that was makes it so sad. You also forgot that this is still basically a prequel to the Dalmatians movie....so

[@shayla106]

@Simp Zilla Yep

[@ghanjic]

I’m so glad I wasn’t the only person to say “Why would I root for a person who wanted to kill dogs and make a coat out of them?”

[@snowyrabbitofinle1764]

Agreed.

[@debott4538]

@@snowyrabbitofinle1764 Would you care to explain why using animal skin for clothing is considered pure evil now? It's wrong for sure. But this doesn't deter people who still insist on eating meat every single day. Even as a vegan myself, I don't see a reason to abhor the idea. Not to mention, there isn't a single dog being harmed in this movie.

[@snowyrabbitofinle1764]

@@debott4538 Why should I have to explain it? I should be 100% obvious. And even without, the implications of dog-killing, there's still nothing to like about the movie because it fails on every aspect possible.

[@debott4538]

@@snowyrabbitofinle1764 Say, do you eat meat? If so, then you would be 100% obviously be an evil person, too. Am I not correct?

[@snowyrabbitofinle1764]

@@debott4538 Nope. I'm vegan.

[@Mikazuchireborn]

"In this world, fashion designers are apparently so fucking powerful that they can literally orchestrate murders, manipulate the police and local officials, and act like government entities in their own rights" I liked that movie better when it was called Zoolander.

[@twokegs1]

😂👍

[@NJGuy1973]

But why male models?

[@dylankessler123]

@@NJGuy1973 Are you serious, I just... I just told you that a moment ago!

[@walmorcarvalho2512]

@@NJGuy1973 Probably to subvert the concept of "beautifully vapid" female models, and holy shit Ben Stiller made it work

[@TheKnellBelle]

"Mer-man!...Mer-MAN!!!!"

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

_"You know who's misunderstood? That "cruel devil" lady, you know, the puppy slaughterer..."_ ~ Hollywood, apparently

[@HereTakeAFlower]

She's a rich, entitled, stuck up, arrogant, childish, sociopathic vip that appears not to even begin to understand love in any form. How's Hollywood supposed to not empathize.

[@michaelfranzgarcia7769]

Leftist Hollywood loves the degenerates, the immoral and crazy people

[@Mike14264]

If only they sticked with making them hateable, despicable, and the movie actually showing why she is wrong, then that would at least be a somewhat ok way to go. But no. It's wank.

[@calvinmcneil9824]

@Bitterman it has to do with the concept of pets vs. livestock we see dogs and cats as pets but lambs,cows,pigs and chicken as only food

[@HereTakeAFlower]

@Bitterman good question. The answer is "all 101 of those dogs were house pets, they weren't even registered as hers, and if you want to breed, raise and kill animals you need somewhere around 100 different permits, an appropriate place to do it, a professional who knows how to do it and dogs are generally considered unfit for the role, so a court could still argue that your business plan shall not be put into practice". If the question was just a reformulation of "why isn't everyone on planet earth a vegan already", a movie critic's comment section is not a great place to find answers.

[@PerryPerry93]

I'm waiting for a disney movie called "Adolf" which is the backstory of a german child in 1900s who has been bullied in highschool and is facing depression and learns to empower his flaws and becomes the leader of Germany.

[@robtomben]

And who is unfairly denied entry into a Munich art school due to his Austrian heritage.

[@whos-the-stiff]

Who bravely steps up to defend neighbouring Germany after they are attacked by a bunch of marauding French and British soldiers.

[@zacharypreval3186]

@@whos-the-stiff and dies heroically trying to protect his country from the Soviet union

[@Beregorn88]

He was not a female, diverse character, so better luck next time...

[@Lord_Numpty]

Nah, that'd never happen. Granted, the reason being purely because he's male

[@shinigamisougiya1576]

At this point, Disney may make a movie on how the Evil Queen from Snow White hates fair people because a fair person killed her mom. So now the only the Evil Queen is allowed to be the fairest person of all.

[@georgipetkov6340]

I hope they make a prequel to the lion king showing mufasa physically and mentaly abusing scar throughout their childhood and getting away with it. Fuck simba and his father. It'll show em. But sadly scar is a male lion so we'll might have to wait a couple of decades for this storyline to get made into a movie.

[@Genericusername1004]

So moral of the story: don’t be raised by a single mother.

[@shootthemoon6072]

I got that same moral from a trip to Chicago.

[@SpecialProjectY]

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[@UnwantedGhost1]

Tell the family court system & first world societies that.

[@jeremygeller9145]

Don’t forget, don’t be poor

[@incognitosquiddim4000]

Seems about right

[@IknowIamkindagreat]

The Pitch: Hey, you guys wanna make Cruella into Harley Quinn? Boss: Give this man a raise.

[@MatadorMedia]

at least harley actually took care of her dogs

[@michiganscythian2445]

I was thinking the same thing once I saw the character design

[@thatonedude]

Glad someone else got that vibe. Lmao

[@garrick3727]

​@Major Gear Gone are the days of giving paying customers what they want.

[@IknowIamkindagreat]

@@MatadorMedia hahah touche'

[@ishy858]

I hear the pained, exasperated groans of Walt Disney's ghost every time there's a new film.

[@viperx3461]

Walt is spinning so fast in his grave that he is creating enough energy to power several city blocks

[@jaredt5127]

@@viperx3461 The electromagnetic field around his final resting place seems to be powering a rotisserie... or is the rotisserie spinning so fast its generating its own field. Dont know.

[@tinag7506]

Just like how I imagine Stan Lee's soul cringing at the new marvel characters and movies.

[@jaredt5127]

@@tinag7506 Made that golden egg into a woke omelette that tastes like shit

[@caski1663]

you know, i once watched this thing called Twisted, the Untold Story of a royal vizzier. it was a play that told the supposed real story of Jafar from Aladdin. and it was perfect. it had excellent comedy and excellent tearjerking moments and in one of the song, a bunch of other disney villains appeared, all telling how the true story was wrong and how they were actually tragic, like Ursula wanting for equality for everyone but being usurped from the throne by the king guy (dont remmeber the name), Gaston actually loving Belle for who she was and wanting to rescue her because he thought she was in actual danger, Captain Hook just wanting to teach peter pan responsability so that he wouldnt end up like him, Scar wanting equality for both the lions and the hyenas and when cruella went, she said that she just wanted a coat full of puppies and everyone boo her out and disney literally thought they could made her a sympathetic character

[@doriangreen3231]

Cruella's Mother While The Dalmations Send Her To Her Death: *"Is this, like, a personal attack or something?"*

[@emirlsanchos6302]

More like "Aaaassss yooooooouuu wiiiiiiiiiish!"

[@skinnybballer]

More like "Hmmm. Bit rude, innit?"

[@D4NIELXOXO]

it’s quite funny how you got more offended by brie larson joking about a personal attack than she did by actual misogyny

[@D4NIELXOXO]

@Ff Gang nah you can’t just deflect without value and expect to be taken seriously

[@THL_Jontae]

Honestly I could not stop laughing at dalmations killing her mum

[@insane_troll]

"A character that wants to murder puppies so she can make them into fur coats was always going to be a tough sell" Still sounds like a better person than Kathleen Kennedy.

[@strategicviewpoint6672]

Person and Kathleen Kennedy are an oxymoron

[@bentramer682]

She's obviously only in it for the money but the movies she pays for don't matter all they do is saturate the screen and make it tougher for actual artists. But she used to understand the shit she did, she just got old. I don't think hating her solves much, just don't pay for her shit.

[@robertmaybeth3434]

they had to base cruella on somebody I suppose, except Kathleen murders movies instead of Dalmations

[@Rupertboijedi]

Yeah I bet Kathleen kills Ewoks for her fur coats.

[@emirlsanchos6302]

So Cruella's grudge against Dalmatians was sewn (no pun intended) by witnessing her mother getting dropkicked off a cliff by Dalmatians. Ranks right up there alongside Nick Fury's missing eye attributed to a bad encounter with a cat in the cringe department.

[@johnbaxter3676]

I guess you didn't get the joke.

[@efficient_pluto]

@@johnbaxter3676 I see you're defending your own shitty taste under every comment... 😂 Just accept it for what it is, man!

[@ioankibble8866]

I actually didn't mind this movie

[@Attmay]

This is why Freud belongs in the history section, not the science section.

[@christianclark347]

"sown" But otherwise, I agree. Awful plot device, awful story, awful movie. And it attempts to justify her awful actions in the cartoon. Nonsense.

[@Brody400]

One thing I didn’t get about this movie is the timeline. The original story, both movie and the book takes place in the 1950’s. Meaning Cruella at age twenty, would have been around the 1920’s if not earlier. The whole this takes place in 1970’s angle felt more like a nostalgia grab at retro 70’s rock, rather than continuity.

[@Zara-Bari]

What about the live action 101 Dalmatians? Much as I didn't like that film, it's the universe Cruella probably belongs to. Seems like it was more modern than the original animated movie, but I can't be sure because I remember so little of it.

[@Brody400]

@@Zara-Bari A majority of all incarcerations of Cruella is based from the original. I know what you’re saying, but this day of age is just nostalgia grabs.

[@Zara-Bari]

@@Brody400 No denying that, just I don't remember when the live action film was set because I don't remember anything about it. Offhand, I'd assume it was set in the then modern time of the 90s. The timeline maybe still doesn't fit, but the 70s would at least have occurred before the movie. But I don't know, because I don't remember it.

[@TheAdmirableAdmiral]

The movie is trying to tie into the 1996 Dalmations movie. This would make Cruella in her mid 40s in the 1990s around the same age Glenn Close was.

[@HC-cb4yp]

Next up: Disney's 'Lil' Adolph!' - the delightful tale of the adorable baby Hitler, misunderstood, fiercely fabulous and ready to turn up the burners of justice!

[@emlyndewar]

I would watch this.

[@curleyqreviews9793]

(For the love of God read this as sarcastic) Don't forget the Jewish man who makes fun of his artwork and probably kills his parents to justify Adolf's actions

[@lexlogic2169]

Make Hitler a girl and you'll have yourself a three-picture deal with Mickey Mao.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Basically, the full version of Springtime for Hitler.

[@billybobthelandlord2790]

I’d proudly watch this movie

[@kaede11101]

Disney had a show on ABC called Once Upon a Time that eventually had Disney villains appear and attempted to humanize or justify their actions in the movies to some degree. Cruella was the only one they didn't try and justify her actions because there is no justification for them. This was just ten years ago, what the hell happened at Disney to have such a radical shift in thought?

[@Captain-Palsy]

I remember seeing that show and actually enjoying it for a time

[@Mr_Bones.]

Third wave Feminism. They only thing that kills faster than that is communism. Concentrating on women is concentrating on an audience that cannot make decisions, hates other women (hence why they’re always evil), and is selfish. Men don’t want to watch petty women, women don’t want to see other women successful. Like making movies for the blind. No wonder Disney is posting million dollar losses

[@lordrork5884]

Originality involves risk. As the MCU proves (as another Disney enterprise), if you can keep pulling the same, familiar threads there is a chance you will rake in $$$ much easier.

[@nealsterling8151]

People in Hollywood have become completely insane. That's what happend. 🤔

[@wendyokoopa7048]

@@Mr_Bones. the older women could make decisions for themselves modern women don't do homework.

[@Holmesy87]

This basically just looks like a Harley Quinn movie with the fashion DLC and Cruella skin pack added. Even the same shitty "oh look, I'm quirky and crazy" laugh.

[@syntaxusdogmata3333]

You read my mind. 👍

[@TheeOK1]

@Shin Shaman bad b8, stop spamming.

[@MrREAPERsz]

But this time it's Disney not WB

[@Fuzzycat16]

100%

[@lordskeletor4558]

@@TheeOK1 it is overrated but not that bad

[@latorasmith]

Imagine if cruela ended up losing all of her friends and having nothing left but a bunch of yes men encouraging her behavior. That would've been cooler than what we got

[@multienergico9299]

And she should have killed those Dalmatians... That would have fit her character...

[@martinrusso409]

Fittingly, the 1996 remake shows something similar at the beginning of the movie. A bunch of employees afraid of her and afraid to question her decisions.

[@Samaru163]

“I was really determined that Cruella be as bad as possible... I hope Cruella is the character that people love to hate.” Glenn Close, when interviewed about her role in the live action 101 Dalmation film.

[@albogypsy2842]

Cruella de Vil, literally cruel devil. And Disney decided she is actually not that bad... I guess the next Disney hero will be Lucifer himself.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

@@albogypsy2842 So Night on Bald Mountain but the devil there is just being nice, letting his people have a good time, and the light of heaven that banishes him and restores the land is actually evil?

[@reapordeath]

If a villain is a character you love to hate, then the character is well written and executed for what their roles are. Good to see the actress understood that

[@knightmare3706]

@@albogypsy2842 I mean, there's already a show on Netflix called Lucifer about Lucifer......and it's actually pretty good.

[@waltercomunello121]

@@insulttothehumanrace3807 nah, the very same devil, but he had a rough childhood when he was abandoned by his father and tossed in a near bottomless pit because he was just a little bratty. I mean, how can fathers be that bad to children? It's inhuman. Of course you're gonna love Lucifer as a good guy turned bad by a series of events beyond his control.

[@jonsolo32]

This was Disney’s attempt at Joker. A failed attempt.

[@tusharp399]

Most Shameless part of Cruella was the "Smile" song playing in Background while Cruella cries. How Original💩🙈

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

Now I'm waiting for Filmento's "Cruella: How to fail at Joker".

[@CheeseYourself]

Imagine "was dropkicked off a cliff by a disgruntled Dalmatian" being on your tombstone forever

[@nhmooytis7058]

Not as bad as ‘died in a portapotty in an earthquake’ though.

[@Roflcrabs]

"Was dropkicked off a cliff by a disgruntled dalmatian... but to be fair it was Bob Holly's dalmatian."

[@Drakengard82]

I thought he was joking, but no and it almost killed me

[@jpmlt2006]

This line was from pitch meeting

[@reneroux2391]

@@nhmooytis7058 that’s understandable

[@imSUPERcereal0]

Everyone that works with me keeps going on about how awesome a movie Cruella is, and I keep explaining to them that a puppy killer is not a good female role model. Then I tell them to watch Alita Battle Angel instead. Then they call me an idiot.

[@libRteedude]

On top of all this movie's problems, the thing that angered me the most was seeing what they did to Roger. He was the biggest Chad in the original movie, as he was the one that told Cruella to piss off when she tried to buy the puppies and was the "quirky artist" character type done right. Yet here, they made him into a foppish doormat that every woman in the film could push around and just spent his time on screen looking nervous. They even had Cruella kick Roger while he was down, saying he was fired for "Being Roger" and framing his disdain for Cruella as unfair, despite the fact that she WAS the reason the Baronness fired him.

[@Alamyst2011]

Men are just generic villains now.

[@Jaxvidstar]

Roger was in this movie? I thought it was a prequel movie of 101 Dalmatians.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

And then, Anita is black in this movie. Yes, that's right, Anita is the photographer lady.

[@corncrackerkid5092]

@@Jaxvidstar he was the Baroness’s pet lawyer

[@exgrinder]

You watched it wrong. You’re supposed to turn off your brain and just accept their roles... 🍿

[@jonathanhighlander4722]

"Before Disney ultimately decides to purge it for wrong think."

[@pocket_sand284]

Disney should be purged for Woke Think. Spending upwards of 200 mil on a movie about a lady who hates dogs but not a single DOG in the movie, just Playstation 2 level CGI, along with recasting Anita and Rodger into ethnic actors with no research done as to the racism of the era, Anita wouldnt have been working the paper and Rodger would have been lucky to be a driver for one of the main characters. But hey that would hurt feelings and not make money.

[@EvilDoresh]

@@pocket_sand284 Strange how Hollywood would just waste this perfect opportunity to insert some "Remember racism?!"-scenes.

[@colliric]

@@EvilDoresh Dude they're hoping for Oscars and you know how you have to "be diverse now to even get a nomination for anything".....

[@EvilDoresh]

@@colliric They're certainly not gonna have success with Cruella, since this movie is still "too white".

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@pocket_sand284 Didn't Roger meet Cruella after he and Anita married? And I just realized something; why kill off Cruella's mom when they could've had her and her father raise her to be cruel to animals. You know, having a nature vs. nurture theme to her upbringing; either had her childhood self be nice to dogs and cats until her parents taught her otherwise or have her childhood abuse them with her parents being either negligent or lost on how to get her to stop. If it was the "dogs killed my mother" trope, then wouldn't that make Cruella more terrified of animals than having a pure hatred of them?

[@Radhaugo108]

Cruella: My animal cruelty was totally justified because I was poor and marginalized. Michael Vick: Am I a joke to you?

[@jessymartin4298]

Best joke in the comments.

[@widiwoqm1544]

LOL

[@mkultra2456]

What about that guy who got raped by a bear?

[@PlantagenetRose]

They try *so hard* to make her confident and smart, but she comes off arrogant and immature. It’s so annoying to see someone justify bad actions as “it’s not my fault, other people say mean things to me🥺”

[@Astonelle]

EXACTLY OMG

[@blatherama]

"Wave after wave of ludicrous, flamboyant 1970's garbage that no actual human being would ever wear." In other words, it accurately depicts the fashion industry.

[@ervandrafadhlil403]

Idk why the fashion industry produce so much stuff no human being will wear outside of their bloated fashion show

[@randomperson8571]

This was a good comment.

[@ejayman]

@@ervandrafadhlil403 Because it's not about the item of clothing one bit, as with everything in the fashion industry it's about the narcissistic designer(s) and their 'vision'

[@ramadhanputra4175]

@@ejayman psst and money laundering

[@little_dandelion]

@@ervandrafadhlil403 Because........ consider the possibility it could be a front for human trafficking. It's not the clothes they are selling but fresh meat paraded on the catwalks for the customers...

[@existo_mas_nao_penso]

Moral Lesson of Cruella: If you are in a bad position, instead of working hard and improving yourself be resentful of those who are successful and take them down violently

[@daleparker6308]

SJWs in a nutshell. Narrative upheld🙄

[@revelstone7274]

Don't forgot vandalize things to get your break

[@EricDodsonLectures]

Yes... a moral for our lazy, self-important times...

[@gab5754]

She worked hard tho. Her known mother was killed by emma thomson, that's why she aimed for revenge, not because of what you said.

[@TheAcad3mic]

Morals are for men. Because what's also for men is needing to build a better world and acting with decency, self awareness and accountability. Whoops did I say that out loud.

[@awesomehpt8938]

Man abusing animals and killing them for their fur= evil patriarchy Woman abusing animals and killing them for their fur=stunning and brave

[@the_travelingbreeze]

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[@ktsig287]

Emma Thompson's character felt a lot more like Cruella than Emma Stone's character.

[@BM-fz9yc]

Soooo true

[@Hopium500]

Producers: "Yas queen slay those puppies"

[@invisible2925]

Yaaaaaass

[@Ancient_Tribesman]

lmfao

[@jal4science573]

Lol

[@Mr.Rodgers7]

Sup tone

[@GreatestGamer9000]

John Wick would love to meet Cruella and these producers

[@trufflefunk]

Getting really bored with this trend of under-talented writers taking stories or bits of stories that already exist and just emptying their bowels all over them because they cant come up with anything good of their own.

[@trufflefunk]

​@@defunctchannel9802 Why should you give up? Surely not because of a comment written by a stranger on the internet. I really don't understand your second sentence and I don't know what being an environmentalist has to do with anything.

[@stopsign1663]

@@defunctchannel9802 So what if you didn’t write as a kid lmfao, just do what you wanna do it’s never too late

[@cryalot378]

@@defunctchannel9802 go and do some writting, publish it and listen to both the good and bad reviews... from criticism you can learn from your mistakes and grow as an artist... if you don't try/commit you won't be able to learn from your mistakes, and remain unsure about yourself and your work... but remember you can't please everyone, it's really impossible, so if the majority of people liked what you produced then that's a good thing, showing you that you are on the right path... if they are mostly bad then learn and adapt... but most importantly don't be afraid to try

[@Adamkalb1]

Just go watch Descendants instead. The live-action Maleficent and Cruella are a lot more gritty than their animated counterparts Sleeping Beauty and 101 Dalmatians, and they don't have the same fun, musical feel as them, but Descendants does. With Descendants, Josann McGibbon and Sara Pariott *could* come up with anything good of their own, and they came up with the best writing execution for the kids of animated Disney fairytale villains learning to be good people and not be evil like their parents, to get along with the hero kids who do not accept them at first. The trilogy of Descendants films might not be great on their own, but to me they feel like a gift from the heavens compared to all of Disney's pointless live-action remakes and unnecessary sympathetic villain backstories. Descendants recaptures the childlike and musical spirit of most of its animated predecessors very well, and it does not try to rewrite Maleficent and Cruella to be sympathetic like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. That would not embellish the point of Mal's intent to not be evil like her mom Maleficent, and everything The Critical Drinker said about Cruella taught me the indirect brilliance of Descendants that went without saying. It doesn't matter why Maleficent turned evil in the first place because we don't need to know why she turned evil, and no excuse will change Mal's mind about her or change Carlos's mind about Cruella. Any attempt at making them appear sympathetic would have hurt the plot of Descendants. It is too good that the whole trilogy of Descendants films was made before Cruella, am I right? August 9, 2021, 1:41am

[@ReynaVDrake]

Maybe it's for an Agenda. Who benefits from demoralising the population?

[@bionicleanime]

Saddest part is Disney already had a definitive live action Cruella back in the 90s played perfectly by Glenn Close. But nah, let's forget that ever happened!

[@Paulafan5]

That wasn't a bad live action movie and Glenn Close really had fun with the role.

[@jack.w2532]

Why do you think they made a new one 25 years later, it's the same as all their new tripe - it's to renew the copyright and stop it going public domain. Disney has been doing this with all their creations for 80 years. There's a reason the Mouse has outlasted all copyright laws.

[@hoviksmail]

@@jack.w2532 They really are an evil bunch.

[@AtariDad]

She was great. The movies themselves? Not so much... By the way, she was actually a producer on this movie, so I don't think she's trying to make people forget herself.

[@047Kenny]

I remember that I think , forbidden memory unlocked

[@mdragarg]

"I want VENGEANCE for what happened to MY MOTHER! Also, I'll make some fur coats while at it uwu"

[@poslednisoud]

Cruella's mother was killed by dalmatines. I think this one sentence perfectly encapsulates this movie and absurd state of Hollywood these days.

[@jyotsna3617]

She didn't hate the dogs in this movie, she didn't think they killed her mother at any point. She was evil , she thought of skinning puppies but not because of revenge or anything, she thought their fur would make a good coat , she is evil , just like the original , she just didn't start killing puppies in this one, this is before that happened

[@memebrain2177]

is it dumber than han solo

[@judgeberry6071]

@@memebrain2177 lame strawman

[@luisalonso959]

@@jyotsna3617well is sad that this gorgeous girl will end up being a witch with an obsession with dogs. That's why is a prequel that shouldn't be made.

[@RyanSpringer1984]

@Bond Dude dalmatians*

[@Thesavagesouls]

A princess dreaming of a young and heroic prince is clearly not a role model for little girls. But an evil woman that want to skin puppies, oh boy yeah !!! - Modern Disney.

[@courier4529]

@Bitterman Well, your answer is society. Western society has propped up household animals to be just below humans in terms of respect and caring towards them. Other countries have no qualms eating them. As for your point about the abuse of cattle, almost no one cares, even if they are seeing the sausage be made, so to speak. Again, you can point to society on that one, because we have 7 billion people to feed, and most people are more sympathetic to starving people than slaughter houses. Currently just a necessary evil. Two popular solutions would be to decrease the world population or to transition to the consumption of bugs. Luckily, the world is currently experiencing a "baby bust" of some sort, due to covid and people hating reality, and bugs are super cheap and renewable. The only thing in the way is again... society. People don't like the idea of eating bugs. Some people would die before giving up hotdogs and hamburgers. That's just... society.

[@Thesavagesouls]

​@Bitterman lol why are you bringing your animal right activism here and when did I say leather was better than furr ? what ? do you want them dump the leather when they turn a cow into meat ? You people are mental cases.

[@Popepaladin]

Does Cruella kill or try to kill puppies in this movie?

[@markusfreund6961]

@@Popepaladin Explain how that question is relevant, considering how her trying to kill and skin Dalmatian puppies is her back story.

[@Mysikrysa]

@Bitterman Cows are NOT routinely skinned alive. They are dazed by a special type of gun which is designed for this and then bled out and then cut into portions. Skin is secondary product after the primary product: food. It would be very environment-unfriendly to just throw the skin away. If an animal is killed, every part of its body should be used for something when it is possible. It´s not like breeding foxes, raccoon dogs or minks (all wild animals) in tiny cages and then skin them only for fashionable clothes for snobish people. The methods of killing are also much more brutal, like gasing or electrocuting, or skinning alive in China because...China. Don´t believe every sh-t you see in vegan propaganda movies. There can be some cases of abuse in the slaughterhouses but that´s because of accidents (like the cow is not dazed properly) or it happens in some sh*tty 3rd world countries where people also massacre each other daily, so they don´t care about animal abuse. BTW it was proven recently plants are sentient too to some extent, and you can´t kill a plant because they don´t have centralized brain like animals. So veganism can be actually even more cruel to living beings than eating meat.

[@DevineInnovations]

"It makes sense if you don't think about it." - Steven Wright

[@diegohaung2831]

Every MCU and Disney Star Wars movie in a nutshell

[@spodoinklehorse]

Whom?

[@sygyzy0933]

I read that as Steven Segal at first and it made total sense

[@DevineInnovations]

@@sygyzy0933 "Hey, why don't you guys speak english?"

[@zbelair7218]

No, it doesn't really make sense when you watch it that way either.... I mean, the fashion industry being dangerous as opposed to petty? I don't buy it.