Crusader C1 Spirit vs. RSI Zeus CL: The Ultimate Star Citizen Showdown

[@Reapz.-]

Transition at 8:41 was clean as hell. Infinite Space, you really grew on me to be one of my go to SC KZbinr's. :)

[@infinitespace239]

Thank you mate. o7

[@luistigerfox]

Also when people talk about zeus capacity for hauling they are always talking about its ability to acommodate 8-32 scu boxes. To me i feel like concentrating on large box missions sells both of these ships short. They're much better used in 'small' shipment missions which provide boxes size 1-4 scu. Sticking to those missions are much more profitable because you can stack multiple missions. I think the extra door at back of the C1 is so you can have an airlock to keep the actual hold pressurized if you need. (When that becomes a thing).

[@Pitt1127]

I want to see more ships of this size with other brand styles

[@QuotidianStupidity]

I’d like to see more versions of every ship. The C1 is clearly meant as an airliner, but there is no reason they couldn’t do one with the intrepid style interior, or a bounty hunter focused one.

[@maRomar0]

That is what a ship comparison should look like, more please ❤

[@infinitespace239]

Thanks mate o7

[@j.d.4697]

Full of bullshit? No thanks...

[@MeatSalad84]

Both are great! I tried both Zeus's and really loved them. The C1 is still my favorite, I just wish it could receive some of the amenities that I liked from the Zeus. The ladder entrance on the Zeus is really the best thing ever! Besides that the extra weapon and armor lockers, including large weapon holder, is icing on the cake. I do think extra shields on the Zeus is better than hull hp (for now). Just give the C1 a second shield please!

[@joemichaud5704]

I think the C1 is meant to be more armored, which is why the health pool is so large, and the shields are so small. I am very interested to see how this further differentiates these two ships in the future. But I agree that these are both great ships!

[@btr003]

Hull HP will keep you alive longer than bigger shields. Shields can always be taken down, but I've noticed that higher hull HP ships always fly back home, despite the amount of damage they've taken.

[@sergeyignatenkov6595]

When C1 costs 125$, Zeus should cost 150$, not 175$

[@protoni6996]

that's why i don't have it.

[@manegrmusa4551]

and if u plan to buy RSI Zeus mk2 for 170 ....then better spend 200 for RSI Taurus. Sadly truth is for that money u can buy 3 or 4 other standalone games...but CGI will drain every cent from dedicated players

[@roel2377]

You can buy c1 in game for 3 or 4mill can't remember I did and it's amazing

[@gittyupalice96]

@@roel2377 bak in my day, the Connies and MSR were that price. And the C2 Herc was around 4 mil too

[@roel2377]

@gittyupalice96 oh wow

[@RobMcGinley81]

I love the multiple exits and the ' Homley' feeling of the Zeus CL Also with practice and knowing how to break to cargo grid it's reasonably easy to fit 14 x 8 scu boxes

[@dianeweaver8379]

Since the release of the Mercury Star Runner, I have always been a fan of the Crusader design ethic...except the single entry point design. I pledged for the C1 and was excited for it until I flew it. It had 2 major flaws that I seriously did not like. 1) The blocked view of the ground below from the pilot seat. 2) The wide wing span, which ALWAYS made me feel like I had only millimeters of space on either side to get it in which ever hangar I was assigned. So I upgraded my C1 to the CL, and don't regret it. The faults I found with the C1 were remedied in the Zeus, AND the Zeus had 3 points of entry, making it less of a concern when the cargo ramp was blocked from inside when fully loaded. The Port side docking entry also serves as a egress point to walk out on top of the ship! I agree that the Zeus is more difficult to load. When the owner hauls commodities, they need to plan the optimum assortment of container sizes, and what order to load them. Even then, at least in Alpha 3.24.2, careful load order planning does not guarantee easy unloading because containers can be packed so closely so as not to allow room for a tractor beam to pull the first crate free. This is especially the case when the Zeus is loaded by NPC's, such as in Refinery stations. They can load containers sideways and in all other manner of odd arrangements. It is like playing Tetris to load the Zeus and like playing Jenga to unload it. Much of this could have been eliminated if CIG had added an additional 6 centimeters to the Zeus's cargo bay ceiling. When properly loaded, the cargo grid is 5 SCU's from Port to Starboard, 3 SCU's high, and 8 SCU's deep (Forward to Aft). The sides of the cargo bay must be kept open for access to ship systems, with a small 2 x 2 SCU pad on the Port and Starboard sides filling the side aisles to complete the 128 SCU capacity. There is room to cram in more, off the cargo grid, but doing so can get the crates in the center jammed in such a way as to not get them out. Maintaining the open space on the sides is a benefit to facilitate unloading by starting to unload the first crate on either side In the current PU, unloading the Zeus CL can be difficult due to getting crates to release from the cargo grid when they are in close proximity to others, but I think CIG will look at that in a future patch to make it easy to pull a crate out of the middle. I have found that once the first crate is unloaded, it seems to break the logjam. I very much like all other aspects of the Zeus, especially the narrower wing span from the C1, which makes it much easier to get inside the hangar doors.

[@joshuamorin2762]

I love the mass effect background music. That music feels like home.....

[@emcmanamna]

Great comparison! The thing that ultimately annoyed me about the C1 was the center-located radar that is kind of hard to see for critical information. Why it couldn't be between the pilot MFDs is a mystery.

[@Nemoticon]

Both ships beautiful modelled, details and designed... but for me, the C1 is too small on the inside and too big on the outside. It's just a tube with MASSIVE wings. The Zeus might be another space-dorito, but it's very well thought out in terms of design, packaging and accessibiliy. Yes, it's slightly more expensive, but the Zeus is definitely worth it as being a much more superior ship.

[@ShaneMikula]

Bought the Zeus CL because of the hype from other reviewers. Was just annoying to work with so upped it to a Taurus and still use the C1 as a runabout. Plus, who doesn't want to fly the Normandy around lol, the designers knew what they were doing when they designed the C1.

[@infinitespace239]

Exactly, Mass effect Normandy is amazing.

[@anferFFmax]

I literally did the same. My main medium cargo trader is the Taurus and I use the C1 as a daily driver. Also, when the servers are unstable I tend to use the C1 so if I get 30k I dont lose too much money.

[@blendyboi2087]

As someone who traded a ship to get the Zeus CL a year ago. And actually getting some good time in. I’ll say that asides from some adjustments the ship needs to be more appropriate as a cargo hauler. The grid is definitely not efficient. And you can bypass it and stack boxes how you see fit. Though that shouldn’t be the case. Flying around is a fun experience. Tho the lateral thrusters need a bit more punch. The C1 comparative to the Zeus feels like a ship of the same class just a different manufacturer. The trade offs between them more or less is in utility and how you crew.

[@btr003]

They're both close to the same size. But the makers of the Zeus realized that they could create a diamond shape interior to utilize more space inside than the tube shape interior of the Spirit. The Spirit came out and made me believe that Crusader finally found a way to fill up every possible inch of space in a ship (unlike their other waste-of-interior-space ships), but then the Zeus came along and proved me wrong.

[@MrButuz]

I fell out of love with my zeus when I was using it for mining cargo transport - the station loaded it in a random selection of 8, 4, 2, 1 boxes and did it in a way that I couldn't get any of the boxes out of the cargo ramp. I had to actually go in through the front and tractor all the boxes back in to a way where they would fit out the door. Next time I did the same mining I used the Connie Taurus and it just worked perfectly.

[@tylertiffin9067]

I can't decide, so I'm keeping both the Spirit and the Zeus in my hanger. And I picked up the new Starlancer. All great ships, I think. Have to take a look at the Starlancer once it's flyable. I hope it works out. Either way, something different to fly.

[@maximillianiv9452]

Nice comparison - great review - big price difference here of fifty dollars- The Cutlass Black is probably more loved than both of these so far.

[@infinitespace239]

Thanks mate 😊

[@PetrosSanctus]

Not sure it it's good to compare cargo capacities that we can ram and cram inside the ships instead of the original ones. CIG has mentioned that loose cargo will damage your ship as you travel around. I love my C1, but I can't overlook the cargo capacity of the Zeus CL beung more than double of the C1. BUT... actually using the 128 of the CL is a bit of a headache as you'll have to mix and match box sizes and, as you mentioned, the size of the door doesn't help. They tried so hard to put as much cargo as they possibly could, that they ended up making it harder to make full use of that allocated grid. Still, it's going in a good direction, ship layout wise, and hope to see better ones in the future. Keep up these comparisons. They're very good 👍🏻

[@martinsantos6497]

CIG said that they are going to look to change the components of the C1 when asked about the shields. I think that they are going to add shields to it. Edit: I ve been using both, Im a subscriber so i get to try new ships and own the C1, I can easily do Bounty hunter missions on the C1, cargo hauling is easier on the C1, over all the C1 is a much better ship to play with. I prefer the cockpit of the Zeus and the fact that it has a ladder to enter near the front, if the C1 had a second entrance it would be the superior ship but it doesnt. The Zeus is too expensive also. Get a Cutlass Black, Freelancer or C1 before you buy a Zeus. But if you can afford it buy what you want.

[@infinitespace239]

Nicely said o7

[@honey-fe6pj]

Funny how i didn't fall in love with my C1 and haven't with my Zeus CL either. Currently its in chain to a Liberator so in 3/4 weeks i should be able to complete that chain- currently its 63% off the full price so lets see if i can do better at IAE :)

[@arcakhangaming]

I like the look of the Zuse better. I’ve also found a way to make the cargo work, loading in and out: x2 24scu, x1 8scu, x7 4scu, x24 2scu. Total = 132scu on and off grid. You may be able to pack more. Why do 96scu with the c1 when you can do 130+scu with the Zeus no issues.

[@weisthor0815]

time is the only argument, and for some people the most crucial

[@RoyHobbs-f4v]

... Mister Infinity, incredible video. Can't get enough of your showcases and enthusiasm. This is entirely unsubstantiated speculation... but from my personal and professional perspective, and my continued interpretation of CIG's most-recent and current technological-focuses... along with the most-recent benchmark-thresholds regarding their quantized server-meshing: I believe CIG has spent the majority of their crowd-sourced 1-billiion-dollars on an "off-chain" cryptographic "oracle" network. What appears to be one the most sophisticated and potentially valuable of it's kind for the long-term utilization and "trustless" validation of transactions involving currencies such as Bitcoin. It wouldn't surprise me if you wake-up one morning and discover that your "backing-amount" has been converted into a privately-equatized "Star Citizen Currency" leveraged-off the dynamic contract-execution-capacity of what continues to appear to me to be the first international, data-latency hub of its kind...

[@RoyHobbs-f4v]

This would make incredible-sense to me regarding the path-forward in making and financing the development of the most sophisticated "reality-simulation" on this planet... as well as making long-term "backers" both satisfied with the current and long-term status of the project. It also allows for the "fleshing-out" this simulated-universe through AI-cogeneration in partnership with human "sherpas" who would be heavily financially-incentivized to continue to invest resources and time in the near-perpetual-project... once the SC-Currency went public. Just-a-thought...

[@vegas6908]

Both are great. CL for me.

[@Dracounguis]

My biggest gripe with the Zeus is that it can't hold 32 SCU boxes. IMO any medium or larger dedicated cargo ship should be able to hold at least 1 of them. So even though the Zeus technically holds twice as much, and has 3x the shields, I would probably take the C1.

[@Jeefly]

The Zeus CL can fit 32 SCU boxes. I was able to fit 2 while doing ERTs. I could probably fit 3 with some off grid Tetris

[@Dracounguis]

@Jeefly good. Change my vote to Zeus. 😆

[@anferFFmax]

I opted for the C1. The ability to load 3x 24 SCU containers, for a total of 72 SCUs, is just amazing. In this griefer/pirate infested realm having the ability to quickly load and unload your ship is top notch.

[@infinitespace239]

3x32 total 96 o7

[@anferFFmax]

@@infinitespace239 Can't wait for cargo elevators to be balanced for 32 SCU containers. If they do that this ship is going to reign supreme in its class thanks to that ability. Lets hope they don't nerf that.

[@WilhelM240i]

@@infinitespace239 but CGI made C1 more narrow so you can only load 2x32 , or ?

[@mandaloresmercy]

Personally I love both the Zeus CL and C1 Spirit. The c1 is more like a nice 1 man cutlass while the Zeus CL is more like a nicer Freelancer Max... the Zeus CL has solved my gripes of single entry/exit of the c1 and truely feels like a true upgrade from my original Nomad starter being a nice cargo hauler mission runner that i can live out of. Nomad was great but small of course and didnt have the weapons rack that is more standard now on newer ships and of course the external cargo bay is prone to theft now... Im more stoked for the Zeus MR...

[@Jamie-666]

Power distribution - that's what we should be looking at - surprising results.

[@gittyupalice96]

what it comes down to, is flying the C1 feels like I'm driving a mini-van, I hate the cockpit and dashboard.. The Zues feels and looks much better from the pilots seat. BUT the C1, is more useful in transporting things, easier to load and faster to get in and out with double the amount of pilot weapons. THUS my solution, was to get the C1 for small fast in and out cargo pick ups, and the Zeus ES as a daily driver for longer range mission running, and the 32 scu, is PLENTY of space for brining back loot from missions, as well as enough room to bring supplies like extra ammo and weapons/ food water etc. Zeus is just a better ship for playing the game, C1 is a better ship for shipping things than the CL.. I disliked loading the CL so much I just got rid of it after 2 days and got the ES.

[@timjeffrey764]

So I had pre ordered the Zeus CL and got the C1 as a loner .. I hated the C1 and preferred to use my a2 as my daily driver.. I never used the tractor beam on it , then came along the Zeus, loved the ship, was great but as it could t fit the Medivac in it (without taking the wheels off) in my mind was kinda not that useful to my game play, so upgraded to STARLANCER Max. But then I thought I’d try out the hauling missions and loved them, so found using my C2 &Altas wasn’t the best and thought I’d go back and try the C1. I forgot how useless it is , specially for hauling missions , the tractor beam is shocking , but the Zeus is far more practical and the tractor beam is so much better. Yes the C1 might have better specs , but the Zeus is way more appealing and more practical If you want to haul cargo 👍 just wish they actually gave the STARLANCER some tractor beams lol

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Can’t you just use the ATLS with the starlancer?

[@timjeffrey764]

@QuotidianStupidity That you can, it would have been a nice have though n I don't mind using maxlift or tractor beam

[@AlpacaZ]

I got the Zeus ES but I see almost everyone going for the Zeus CL. I don't really play SC much yet, is going for cargo variants a better choice in this game even if you won't focus on cargo missions or is it that simply everyone is doing cargo missions?

[@infinitespace239]

Don't worry i have Zeus ES too. To me it is much better for reat of the gameplay. CL is only for cargo better than ES. o7

[@AlpacaZ]

@@infinitespace239 Ah that's good to know, thanks!

[@xXPiletonXx]

@@AlpacaZThere isn't much to explore and no "exploring gameplay", i think thats why more people tend to get the CL, because its intended gameplay loop is already in the game o7

[@APEXPR3D4TOR]

u can make zeus bit of a stealth ship has pretty low cross section for its size hard to spot pair that with some long range cannons and u have a ship that can shoot outside its front detection range with the right parts ofcourse

[@feral1021]

I was trying to decide between these two and ultimately picked the Zeus. The cargo might be a little more problematic, but overall it just a nicer ship.

[@CellDE]

keep in mind that body hp are currently more relevant that the total hp amount, especially nose hp ... maelstorm will change a lot ...

[@machoalright]

I think iam not keeping my CL, ill keep my connie, instead. Reason its topspeed is the same as the taurus but the taurus has more firepower and more cargo. Plus at this time of writing, the zeus is not that cheap anymore. So the CL is on the choppingblock ready for IAE.

[@ChocCoffeeBean]

Thank you. I became focused on the CL v C1 discussion and forgot I had the Taurus in my hanger. For some reason I constantly think of the Taurus being in a different class but in reality I should consider them all in the mix.

[@qutatron]

Cutty Black have right now also wery weak Hull HP but speed and manuverbility is brilliant. Imho the best option if anyone is more combat focused and do quick missions around planet. C1 is probably a good middle ground but is to big for my taste, and Zeus is the best for off grid living/ exploring Pyro because interrior is great and survivability is good enouch for long range expeditions.

[@Alexander-z2m8m]

At the moment I'm not even thinking about what to do or use in SC 3.4.2 since it's unplayable at the moment....

[@njasicko]

I am curious when clipping to the grid and cargo mass will come into play and how that will affect ships like the Black and C1 where you can get way more cargo in them than the grid dictates.

[@Deepth51]

I know that CIG said that later when that'll come into play, cargo that isn't placed onto a grid will move during travel. So that may collide and damage the goods you're carrying. But until then.. :)

[@AdjudicatorBrbal]

The C1 should be more useful in a fight, the Zues should be more useful as a daily. Due to the zues having all the amenities it does it out classes my C1 when it comes to comfort. I have no clue why the C1 and Zues cant have similar internal amenities. But i get it. We crusader fans dont matter. Just tale our lazy built ships and be grateful they just look beautiful. Lol

[@WilhelM240i]

as a die hard Crusader fan i can feel you

[@seorge-f2h]

А по топливу как, кто из них дальше летает?

[@luistigerfox]

I feel like Freelancer max should have been in the mix. The freelancer series sadly often seems overlooked in this size class. That aside, i like your comparison.

[@infinitespace239]

Thanks mate. Yeah it is nice ship but to me just not appiling visually.

[@luistigerfox]

@infinitespace239 yeah, it definitely has a... unique aesthetic.

[@joemichaud5704]

The Freelancers are old and need some love. I hope that CIG gives them a refresh before 1.0 so that they can be considered in these comparisons.

[@Wh1terider]

@@infinitespace239 Visually yes, but the metrics are much closer.

[@balel1975]

Both! Why not both. I like both! Both is good.

[@harbringerf9416]

You missed the short landing gear of the C1. This makes it very difficult to use for anything other than cargo hauling. It was never a Cutty killer and the Zeus is closer to that role. The real ships the C1 competes with are the freelancer series. It's fast and easy loading compared to a freelancer is its biggest advantage. But the Zeus is more utilitarian able to ship mining vehicles easier due to the better landing gear and second crew entrance. Better for bunkers and FPS work for the same reasons. And while it takes more time to load you can physically load up to 156 SCU still not a Taurus killer but significant (though you are literally filling the entire aft of the ship with cargo and using the ladder to enter or leave the ship). All up the Zeus is a nice addition to the game as a actual cutty competitor.

[@infinitespace239]

I did not miss it, actually never had problems with C1 landing what so ever. But that is maybe me. o7

[@harbringerf9416]

@infinitespace239 try landing on anything not as flat as a board. There have been so many times I have not been able to leave my c1 that I hardly use it. So it will become a starlancer.

[@danjensen2695]

Hi, what is the website you are using at the start please.

[@infinitespace239]

SC Ship Performance Viewer

[@greenmamba6943]

i couldn´t decide, i got both. Nothing wrong with that.

[@jackbarton4789]

i have a cup of tea ready for the comments

[@TubbyCakes]

Honestly I think the Zeus is kind meh aesthetically. I prefer the c1 in that aspect.

[@billmacia-0808]

Ngl I would pick the C1, but the shield are paper thin and the wings always breaks in dogfight, so pick the zeus. And the visibility in zeus is far better.

[@sam.maestro]

Get both !

[@Kiwi_Dave]

C1 is the better cargo hauler and it's $50 cheaper.

[@lukew.2101]

You can also place 3 lines of containers into the Zeus without grid snapping. And you don't need to do this so complicated from inside with this middle line like in C1. In Zeus you have the ladder then for entry. So Zeus has an advantage with this.

[@Spacenaduvari]

I don't think you can fit 3x 32 scu in the c1 anymore.

[@infinitespace239]

From 3.23.2a yes you can. o7

[@likuroargend4181]

its still possbile, but you have to unsnap the left or right box to fit one between, but the cargp grid has allrdy been "fixed"(since its only a problem in the current version, it did work on the privious patch. maybe because the wanted to "nerve" the C1 to sell more zeus...) in the next patch, which is out for testing. there you can fit the 3. box without having to unsnap. also you can easily fit 2x 8scu boxes into the component area in the back, technicaly binging the c1 up to 112 scu total.

[@stargeezer8427]

Great example of (1) how ridiculously oversized most SC ships are, (2) that Crusader's "design language" is "airplanes in space", and (3) that CIG can actually design a ship that isn't a bloated bullet magnet airliner as long as you avoid Crusader. 🤣🤣🤣

[@danielw.3670]

The real question is the C1 Spirit or the kutless black the c1 has one cooler one power plant one quantum drive and one level one shield generator all level one two sides to coolers one size 2 power plant size 2 quantum and size 2 shield generator and the zuse has 4 s2 shields 2 s2 coolers ... How can you compare the C1 and the Cudi black to the Zeus there's no comparison masseuse overpowers the C1 any day of the week ans so the vlack overpowers the c1 this is a stupid contest and in my experience KZbinrs always like to be alright and people always got a yes or yes or yes or no this s*** ain't happening

[@infinitespace239]

No Right or Wrong what ever you like more. Even if it is totally useless like 400i but I love it who cares. o7

[@0Boogiee0]

Freelancer Max shits on both of them.

[@littlefoot2869]

look it dont really matter they put on live and will not work ,this is the only game i ever played that every patch this game get less and less playable and yet they keep taking more and more out of the game

[@Star_CitizenYT]

C1 carho grid are difrent in PTU now, they make more space nov.

[@infinitespace239]

Yeah, this was a video from PTU :D

[@Star_CitizenYT]

@infinitespace239 did you check ? now you can fit un midle big box and to pass to pilot seat.

[@danielw.3670]

The Zeus being a and the bulldog to C1 being a Chihuahua that's what you're comparing the Zeus is more in line with the constellation Taurus than tthe C1 any day the C1 is only and always will be in competition with the smaller ships like the Cutlass black it is really stupid to compare it to

[@infinitespace239]

C1 is bigger than Zeus mate. o7

[@duramirez]

The Galaxy will murder both these ships 🙂

[@infinitespace239]

Galaxy should murder all ships, that's why they started changing modules before live.

[@duramirez]

@@infinitespace239 fr fr :D

[@SolarWindsRider]

That's a weird thing to say to a guy, but with your voice you should try doing ASMRs ;)

[@infinitespace239]

lol thanks mate. MY voice is just representation of my state of mind, calm and meditative. I have another you tube channel about meditation. Check it out if you are interested. Infinite Love Meditation Club. o7

[@davewills148]

C1 doesnt come close, its like the MSR, both are duds, Zeus has a Ladder/Hatch, is the new standard and the looks to carry it on its own. ZuesES is clearly the winner over them all, especially with its 'M jump module/2 x M Quantum Fuel Tanks', CL comes 2nd, MSR is a mess with components/looks and its gastly.

[@danielw.3670]

You can't compare them there in two different categories need to compare Zeus with the conies the C1 in same category as the cutles Black not the Zeus so this video is CRAP lots like compare the vulture to the reclaimer .you Can't

[@infinitespace239]

Nope you are wrong. Conny is different category. Much stronger and bigger. This is right comparison because most people will upgrade from cutty or c1 to Zeus. But if it is not worth it than why would they do it? o7

[@danielw.3670]

You're crazy man you're just crazy

[@danielw.3670]

In either way you still can't compare the two because with your way of thinking the Zeus overpowers the C1 any day of the week so it's still no comparison get a brain there's no comparisons there you're barking up the wrong tree zuse is much stronger so your way of thinking is flawed

[@RangerWest]

Chill out dude

[@MrPlanless]

who cares? as soon as CIG want to sell another Ship in that region all will be nerfed into ground. so i dont care anymore about anything Shipstats. thx für the work anyway

[@Nemoticon]

Yeah, that's the current narrative of crying kids right now. All balancing is nerfing and you will all melt your ships as a knee-jerk reaction, lol.

[@infinitespace239]

I don't think there is anything to nerf here, Cutty black did not get nerfed after c1 and Zeus so i think it will be ok.

[@Nemoticon]

@@infinitespace239 It's just a ridiculous narrative you always see from the side of the community who does nothing but complain, ALL THE TIME.

[@MrPlanless]

@@Nemoticon Haha nice try Troll its just my Opinion nothing more nothin less. Btw i am 58 and SC Member since before Kickstarter. So i have the right to mimimi as i want. Have a nice Day

[@Nemoticon]

@@MrPlanless I don't care how hold you are or when you signed on, you're just moaning like a child, opinion or not.