Detailed Ship Comparisons - Zeus CL vs. Zeus ES. vs. Spirit C1 | Star Citizen Guide 4K

[@Solar546]

Can you make more comparisons like this? I really like this format

[@DaBigCheese75]

The C1 is a Crusader ship with huge engines...it should smoke everything else in this size class when it comes to speed. Same thing for the MSR in it's class. The current speeds make no sense to me

[@Kakeyoro]

Zeus,' has 3 underbody VTOL thrusters. They're independent of the maneuvering thrusters. And they sound awesome.

[@norske_ow3440]

Might I add: both versions have them

[@Macskinny76]

So, the ship is a VTOL ship then right ?

[@ork120]

@@Macskinny76 yes, it works and vertical trust increases 3.1g -> 4g

[@Pharesm]

Nice maybe, but a cargo hauler is on my botton rung, so the C1 wins because its cheap and does its job. I won't use it for hybrid jobs. just for occasional hauls. And will look at it after gold standard.

[@Syphirioth]

Nothing beats the 8 main thrusters that need to fire up from the Spirit. ^^

[@Vessssssssssssssssss]

You can pop the trunk on the Zeus to put out ANY component fires, from the pilot seat. This will be important when engineering and fire is implemented.

[@nickeling2776]

Just the rear ramp? Because the button says "open exterior" and since the Zeus has several exits, opening them will vent the entire ship.

[@diminios]

@@nickeling2776 If the entire crew is in the cockpit, it's not an issue. If there's someone repairing stuff in the engineering section (where the airlock and ladder are located), well... hope your flight suit and helmet aren't past their sell-by date.

[@Gofr5]

C1 can do that too with the components it has in the rear near its ramp, and can do that without venting even the cargo area.

[@Iukrative]

Another thing to note is the Zeus ES has a Large scanner whereas the others and even the 400i have a Medium scanner so for explorers it's a big win

[@ork120]

This is selling point for me too. Zeus ES can see ships from 40 km, easily detects birds, kopions, rocks, etc. (may be anomalies in the future) I hope scanning gameplay will be important part of exploration gameplay and fast and nimble Zeus will be useful.

[@ITSecNEO]

That's only true for current status, everything will change in the future. Doesn't makes sense that the Zeus is so much better

[@SeaRaven227]

Difference being that the 400i gets a cartography hologram, the Zeus doesn't. I get the feeling they're splitting exploration in 2, big scanners for ressources, and ships with cartography tables to scan planets for POI's.

[@sib4491]

@@ork120 fast and nimble Zeus? Zeus is slower and clumsier than C1

[@underakillingmoon]

I appreciate you wrote down all the numbers. You go straight to the point. Best comparison video I've seen. I subscribed. As a constructive criticism I would say you should have compared Zeus CL, Spirit C1 and Freelancer MAX :) I think it makes more sense to compare ships who share the same gameplay.

[@Leptospirosi]

As a plus, I will add that the Zeus sits higher on the landing gear, which comes in handy in rough terrains, especially with the two wings of the C1 prone to hit everything. The ability to easily load 32 scu containers with one off grid is also handy for the C1. The 4S3 weapons under pilot control also give an edge to the C1 in combat This being said, sure, cargo is important, but I can bring a RAFT, with all the amenities of a Zeus and a much better interior, which is also easier to load up then even a C1, without off grid cargo, and a higher and better landing gear then both. The white skin also gives me that "Aquila" vibe from Space 1999, the coolest ship ever designed! I have a C1 that I never use, with a CCU to a Zeus, so I'm on the fence: the thing I like less of the Zeus is the cargo bay. The thing I don't like about the C1 is the sensation of driving a tube with wings, too wide and low for its own good. That IS why I always drive an SRV or a RAFT. 😉

[@njasicko]

Like others have said MAX vs CL and 400i vs ES... C1 goes up against the Base Freelancer and Cutlass Black.

[@nickeling2776]

400i is a bigger class. You should compare ES vs Dur.

[@norske_ow3440]

@@nickeling2776either works, the Zeus es is about halfway between the dur and 400i

[@AndreasRunge999]

​@@nickeling2776It feels like ES is more or less a half class lower than 400i. I think it is legit to compare ES vs Dur vs 400i. But I totally agree that Dur is more close to compare.

[@marty2129]

Against base freelancer and cutlass black... who are like third of its size.

[@SeaRaven227]

Nahh, the Zeus and Spirit absolutely compare to each other, people just don't understand that cargo ain't everything. RSI and Crusader have different philosophies, the C1 is faster, more agile, has more firepower and 3x the armour and all of that takes space.

[@brettallen7275]

Now remember in the Spirt C1 you can put 2 x 32scu sized boxes on the cargo grids and then put another one right down the middle bringing its capacity to 96scu of cargo. Very good!

[@TimOnTheNet]

This was exactly what I needed. Thank you!

[@cygnus6623]

Keeping my C1 and looking forward to enjoying my ES!

[@RioTFF]

This video is absolutely invaluable. Thank you for making this!!

[@madmo1692]

This a great synopsis of these ships. I ordered the Zeus CL because I wasn't a big fan of the Spriit, hate the width when landing, and so far I am happy with my purchase.

[@ShevaiAsan]

I originally got the C1 for a daily driver, cargo and using my ROC and bunker running. Once the Zeus CL went into concept, I CCU'd to it for exactly the same reason; the absurd width of the C1's wings were always getting in the way of landing zones; there was always a rock, a shrub or a tree that I'd get hung up on. Very much looking forward to using the Zeus CL when I just want to relax and do simple stuff when my org isn't around and I can't use all my big toys.

[@madmo1692]

@@ShevaiAsan you are doing exactly what I wanted to do with the C1. Luckily I only got it as my temp ship and came across the same problems as you. That and I really really hate having only one entrance

[@CitizenScott]

Don't rely on any specs. They're all gonna change, with only maybe SCU being the exception.

[@RobotSanction]

I hope they go back and give the Spirit some love and adjustments. I don't quite understand why they'd make a ship that is so similarly designed in terms of shape, but give it twice the cargo, more numerous/bigger guns, and more accessibility to the cockpit.

[@sebc8938]

The spirit can load 32 scu containers though.

[@Mace1000S]

The Zeus performed really bad. Almost everything could out fight it including the Spirit

[@RG_Old_mate]

​@@sebc8938 3 of them very easily! Ship tractor beam works a treat on the C1

[@arcturus960]

@@Mace1000S we haven't gotten a look at the more dedicated combat version yet, the MR. We only have insight into the cargo and exploration variants thus far. So I'd keep that in mind as it will definitely be better in that regard

[@BizzleMade1]

@@Mace1000S The CL and the ES are not fighter ships lol so of course they won't stack up in dog fighting. When the dedicated fighter MR variant comes out then you can say that if it performs badly. Remember, its a cargo ship and expedition ship. Also how good it performs depends on the pilot and who they are going against. Their knowledge, awareness, skills, strategies, etc, etc. You get the point. CL is better medium cargo. It looks better, holds more cargo, better tractor beam, better guns (medium cargo ship wise), a kitchen, hab room, two entry points, a airlock (regardless of what haters say), weapon racks in front and back, suit lockers, ship storage (I think they called it external storage) a daily driver, etc, etc. You get the point.

[@sleepfishl]

Honestly: They're absolutely equal. Both ships are perfect Daily drivers. The C1 is undoubtedly better when you like to do more PewPew than Cargo related stuff and the Zeus is better if you aim more for the Cargo side of things. I personally don't see the loading issues everyone talks about. Sure, if you want to fill the very last scu possible including off-grid, it's easier with a C1 to do so, but normal on-grid loading is easy. I've filled a Zeus several times with boxes and didn't have any issues. The trick is just to fill the bottom layer first and place the large boxes afterwards instead of the other way around. XD

[@norske_ow3440]

Nah, Zeus is way better for pewpew way more shields are much better than slightly better turn with ships this size. Also, 2 size 4 guns with a lot of ammo will do better than 4 s3 with the ammo split more between them. Plus, it shrugs true damage a lot better vs losing a wing from 1 deadbolt shot. And the turret….

[@madmo1692]

Even fully loaded I am a big fan of having more than one entrance, something lacking in the Spirit, That is one of main selling points for me over the Spirit

[@andredicarlo3310]

@@norske_ow3440the increase size of the hard points is not enough to justify only having two of them imo. It’s way less firepower. I find I can actually grind bounties in the Spirit

[@norske_ow3440]

@@andredicarlo3310 yea, my comment didn’t age well, cause the ammo went from 65 to 12… it’s pretty sad now compared to the spirit

[@marty2129]

@@norske_ow3440 they needed to nerf Zeus in some way to not to outclass C1 too much (after all, it outclasses the C1 in ALL ROLES C1 WAS BUILT FOR and then some...)

[@tagged_sc_aka_pilotducky]

Thanks! - Just melted my 400i and this video is really helping me to choose which ship I want. I think the CL is better - but lets see!

[@danyhocine]

I love this kind of comparison. However, the insurance claim time for the Zeus isn't 51 and 53 minutes, it's around 10 minutes, and 3 or 2 minutes expedited

[@StockpileSC]

Spirit should be higher speed and acceleration compared to zeus with a higher margin

[@jugganaut33]

Yeah they’ve not balanced it very well considering they’ve damned it with 4x the cross section and almost no shields and no turrets

[@Malember]

I would recommend including the Freelancer Max in a comparison like this. Also, as we are in an alpha, I expect insurance respawn (and other data) to change frequently as the game develops. Very good video!

[@Jean-GERNE]

So at first glance, the freelancer max is the best of the ships... can hold an ursa and has more firepower..

[@RicoZaid_]

💯

[@blamsmith]

Its also a lot smaller

[@pauloxtm]

But it looks ugly as sin 😂

[@TarsoSousa]

Hopefully the freelancer MAX after reworked to gold standard become a mini Starlancer MAX

[@golgoth74]

Best comparisons i have ever seen between the 3 (but still dont know wich to keep lol, cause nobody is perfect). Waht about you Capt ?

[@NUM-19]

Great video once again! Thank you for all your hard work in making this detailed comparison video. Seems like a great ship line but I'll stick to my C1 for now.

[@JangoBingoBango]

The biggest issue with the CL is cargo loading. This is the most important feature that should have been included in this comparison video. Also a MAX is more comparable spec wise than a C1 anyways EDIT: Our captain made a whole video exactly on this issue, go check it out and thank him for testing our concerns. What a legend ❤️

[@sebc8938]

They have deliberatly limit the ramp size to prevent an URSA to enter and the result is that cargo loading is difficult for a cargo ship. Fabulous ,,,

[@BigBobBlazer]

@@sebc8938 Of course they had to limit it. Video games have limits. They need to. Especially since the Medical Ursa can do respawns now. If they don't limit, there's really no progression at all in the game.

[@BizzMRK]

@@BigBobBlazer then why do they allow the Ursa into the Freelancer Max which has about the same price, size and cargo capacity as the Zeus CL? I get that they want to limit stuff but if that heaviely impetes on the ships main function it becomes a big problem. This is just a poor design decision and not balancing. If the Ursa is such an headache for them then they should change it rather than making every single medium dedicated cargo hauler besides the Freelancer Max suffer because of it. They could make it slighly taller, remove the rail for the turret to fix it in place ontop or whatever to make it not fit height wise into the ships they don't want it to fit. Making the cargo ramps of cargo ships incredibly narrow so it doesn't fit width wise is just stupid considering its basically 4 scu wide. There are no height restrictions on the Connie which the Ursa was designed for to begin with for example.

[@Macskinny76]

Cargo loading is made easier with the size 2 tractor beam. I don't what you mean by the CL having an issue with cargo loading ?

[@throdwobblermangrove6200]

The C1 has the way better cargo layout. You can fit two 32scu container in the C1 (three, if you ignore the cargogrid). In the Zeus you cant simply load four 32scu container. You have to do a lot of math :)

[@tybutton1957]

Really love your content man!

[@tiptoebox]

seriously the best star citizen youtuber right now.

[@LordKaiser-rg1cq]

Not sure why this was a controversy from announcement, but the C1 was an armor tank. and the Zeus was a shield tank. apparent from stats @ concept. if you like the look, fly your heart out. :)

[@Jarvice]

I'm really curious to see how much of an impact those wings on the C1 will have when we get more changes to atmospheric flight.

[@slipperymenace6715]

The amount of armor storage is based on the amount of seats/crew, later in the updates we will not be able to fly in full armor and will have to swap into that armor in pvp encounters or for exploration.

[@ComteDeGracey]

Very good video. 👍

[@nicnevidim]

Great info. Thank you.

[@lilaredden]

Ship tractor beams have worked just fine for me, remember that the distance setting like on the hand tractors require you to hold alt on a ship because scroll wheel on remote turrets (including tractor beams) is bound to turn speed by default. Alt overrides and puts you into controlling ship tractor distances.

[@yeright1977]

Zeus CL needs a comparison with the Freelancer MAX =)

[@BizzleMade1]

Its better. No comparison needed.

[@last_raven]

C1 Tractor Beam has a tiny toggle to the bottom left of the seat on the center console. "Power On" select that then enter remote turret

[@Gofr5]

Personally I prefer and will be keeping my C1 as I just like the aesthetics of that ship more. Though the easier manual cargo loading and unloading of the C1 is also a factor, but it's mostly the aesthetics. I never liked the RSI aesthetics and design language.

[@th3orist]

i tried going from the C1 to Zeus but i came back :D exactly because of the aesthetics, i like looking at the C1 more and knowing in what i fly and how it looks. The only feature i envy Zeus owners for is that ladder.

[@BigBobBlazer]

Think about that for a second. The MSR has about HALF the hull HP of the Spirit C1 (37,400). But, I would also like to add that when the Zeus CL was in concept, the devs did mention that it would have armor plating to protect the cargo it carries. I suppose they poorly equipped the C1 so badly that they needed to nerf the Zeus in some way atm.

[@pauloxtm]

Total hull HP means nothing, you have to look at the HP of the critical parts (body and nose). For example, the Taurus has 129K total HP but only 10K body. If body HP reaches 0 you're dead.

[@ninetalesxyo8842]

Sad thing is the C1 can hold 96 SCU of cargo.... its just that the middle lane has no grid. If only it had a bottom/front hatch/ladders system. The fact that the C1 and Zeus have compariable sizes it has double the SCU grid.... is kind of silly

[@marty2129]

Exactly.

[@Nemoticon]

Fair comparison, however. The C1 is $50 cheaper, so it's a bit unfair to compare to the other two. And while the C1 and the Clipper are both compact haulers... the ES is an Explorer. So it's a different category of ship altogether when you're looking at their intended roles. Use the right tool for the right job. Anyone looking to be an explorer isn't even going to consider the other two.

[@ericwollaston5654]

I'd say that I prefer the value of the C1 right now, as it's cost compared to the next level of the Zeus Mk2 puts them on a different playing field.

[@endsinvention1390]

Perfect, thanks foxy

[@acer8123]

I got the C1 because it looked cool, but now I'm eyeing either the CL or ES Zeus

[@zeta4687]

signature now differ depending on the components you use now if you use full military you'll be super beacon in the space and actually if you overlap them together you'll see zeus is only 2/3 width of spirit when the wings upfolded

[@KaybeCA]

I do love the fact that CIG didn't make the CL a straight upgrade for the C1. They are very different ships with different design approaches. Though the Zeus hull HP is way too low. Even if the C1 is exceptionally beefy, I feel the Zeuses should hover around 35k HP or so, around the same as the Cutty Black and base Freelancer.

[@marty2129]

Didn't they? The only things I see in advantage for Spirit are aesthetics, top speed (which you rarely use thanks to master modes), HP (which might change with armor) and maybe offensive armaments (which are somewhat redundant on cargo ship)... Otherwise the CL is superior.

[@sebc8938]

Zeus airlock is not an airlock as there is only one door !And it is not even a docking collar as the exterior would be obstructed.

[@throdwobblermangrove6200]

I think, the docking collar will be added to the Zeus when ship to ship docking is implemented.

[@diminios]

Personally, just the size difference and the ladder sell me on the Zeus. It'll be so much easier to takeoff and land, and to access the ship.

[@th3orist]

i thought so too, i upgraded the C1 to Zeus and then everytime i saw a C1 i wanted it back. I simply like the looks of the C1 more than i like having the ladder on the Zeus. So i got the C1 back.

[@jwebxx]

I didn't know about the secret place in the airlock area of the zeus... will test it on my Zeus. how cool is that, thanks. Perhaps you can really use it for smuggling 😉

[@ork120]

Zeus ES has S3 Radar with huge sensitivity. Of cause all can be changed by now ES detects ships within 40km range and can scan it. From brochure: "With a focus on exploration, the Zeus Mk II ES features a robust radar package for finding new discoveries along with enhanced weaponry and shielding to help bring them back home."

[@adamgrinnell7630]

love the c1 but i really want the zeus for hte better cargo. its just a shame that the size of the c1 makes it odd it doesnt have that much cargo space

[@Wandderer]

11:50 The Zeus does have VTOL 3 extra engines at the bottom will come out when activated. Which is actually a plus because you dont lose forward thrust when avtivating it

[@vonrosphe3098]

The spirit also doesn't loose forward thrust. It isn't a cutty.

[@Wandderer]

@@vonrosphe3098 you are right, however my point is still valid 👌

[@stuartriddell2461]

I Prefer the Zeus to the spirit, purely on the basis of aesthetics. I went with the ES, as I have an MSR if I want to haul larger cargo.

[@purplearmy.]

You sold me thanks. I got MSR too and I love it. ES seems to make more sense.

[@robertvohs1699]

i wish the airlock on the zeus had a button under the opening with a deployable ladder to make it a second entrance into the ship. if the ladder was able to be deployed only when needed and not just when the airlock opened

[@peppi8491]

you should do a re run on that ship tractor beams. takes some time to get used to it ;)

[@Syphirioth]

I wonder if the ship modules gonna increase the gap between the speeds even more in the future. Also... The Spirit A1 being a bomber with such a huge "here i am sign on" radar comapred to similair sized ships is strange just as with the C1 XD

[@cthree87]

The Zeus CL does have VTOL thrusters and they do work. You looked at them in another video but didn’t switch VTOL on so you didn’t see them firing.

[@StormcrowActual]

Those radically different claim times/costs between the Zeus and Spirit (10x longer/10x more expensive) lead me to believe someone put a decimal point in the wrong place for the Zeus. You get near 1-hour reclaim times for ships like the Carrack, not ships of this size. Also, note that the Zeus does in fact have dedicated VTOL thrusters on the bottom (seen in another user's video).

[@Lord_Retrospect]

the ship tractor beams should function like the ATLS beam for retrieval and like the handheld for deposit to justify its use over the alternatives

[@nickstinger4709]

Just amazing.

[@afizkhan348]

ty for this . now it makes me easier to make my pledge appreciate it.

[@Power5]

You mention cargo capacity, but you really need to try and load both the C1 and CL to both maximum official capacity and maximum maximum capacity and see how long they take. C1 is so much easier to fully load. Takes like 26 boxes to hit max official load in CL but only takes 3x 32 SCU crates to hit max max capacity in the C1. But since 32 SCU crates are not accepted every where, lets say 6 crates to hit max max capacity in C1. In the time it takes to load all those crates into the CL, I could run the C1 to drop off crates and likely be almost back before the CL is even taking off for first run. So by the time I load up and head back for drop off, I bet the CL is still unloading its first trip while I am on my way to drop off my 192nd SCU. I would really like to see you run a short cargo mission from home hangar to space station in both ships. That would be some very good info to have.

[@BigUpVideo]

Thankyou Foxy

[@jasonm2477]

The Zeus shows just how much of a missed opportunity the c1 really is,

[@thegamingtribunal]

I totally agree.... The sad thing is.. When the C1 was concepted... The community told the devs to include a second entrance in the ship due one being missed with the MSR but it never happened

[@GgioV]

Yeah but then you wouldn’t buy the Zeus :p

[@MersageSW]

One exit is now a part of the Crusader design language. The MSR and C1 both having them is no longer an accident. If the Intrepid has a hanger only exit, it's a feature not a bug.

[@Vioblight]

@@MersageSWwhat a disgusting feature 🤢 On the bright side borders will come from one spot On the down side longer exit/entry And predictable boarding/exiting…

[@jasonm2477]

@@MersageSW that doesn't make it any less sht bad design features are worse than bugs

[@makimera]

you forgot to mention that they are changing the amount of shields etc on all ships with 4.0

[@sirglogglubardons150]

Why didn't cig put the ladder outside of the airlock? And use the space inside where the ladder is now for something else?

[@marty2129]

At least there is a ladder and an airlock...

[@papascronch]

I think you're putting the cart before the horse, We should just be glad this thing has a second point of entry tbh lmao

[@MeatSalad84]

I'm still confused on the cargo difference. The cl has so much more cargo while being a slightly smaller ship. I haven't seen directly, but it looks like they get more space by putting stuff on an upper level. I feel like they could do that with lots of ships.

[@yikes3049]

You can fit an extra 32 scu container in the C1 if you put it in the aisle down the middle, CIG just doesn't let you do it officially cause they didn't give the ship a second entrance. Of course on the CL you can do this though, because... ? Yeah there's no good reason for why they would give the CL a second (and third) entrance but not the C1, its pretty obvious they just made a bad design with the C1 (which they knew about already since everyone complained about the MSR) then decided to make a new ship that fixed the problems rather than redesign the old ship.

[@RG_Old_mate]

​@@yikes3049It's so easy to use the C1's ship tractor beam to place and remove the third middle 32scu box. There really is no need for a ladder. Love my C1 as it is now. Will be glad to see less around the verse now with all the Zeus fan boys moving on!

[@BizzleMade1]

@@RG_Old_mate you sound a lil salty lol. Just picking with you.

[@RG_Old_mate]

@BizzleMade1 Couldn't be further from the truth. I'd be happy to shell out a few extra bucks for an upgrade, but I don't think it's any better than the C1.

[@BizzleMade1]

@@RG_Old_mate did you click on the read more button. If not I said "just picking with you" meaning I was just messing around.

[@ksl-988]

The clear direction of the design here is that the Zeuses are meant for a crew of two to three but the Spirit is meant to be soloable or with a max crew of two. That probably accounts for the incresed number of shields and the power plants to support life support once that comes online.

[@Ssecave]

But the reality will be that it will be fine to solo the Zeus anyway. So appart from its look. The C1 doesn't have a lot for itself.

[@BVDxBEAR]

@@Ssecave hull hp but thats gonna be going away in favor of component health, other than that pilot dps until blades come in. so in the long run nothing much.

[@rDunfee]

Curious where you found the Cross section for front side and top. I'd love to peek at my favorite ships and see those values

[@hibana364]

Hold on, there's something really odd. Why does it feel like the C1 has more space inside it's cargo bay than the Zeus MkII CL but half its capacity ? I don't get it.

[@christianehrenfeld6840]

Because the c1 doesn’t Let u enter the cockpit anywhere else they leave u that walkway in the middle while the Zeus literally is the same size just no walkway so if u max the c1 cargo u still leave out the back but if u max the Zeus cargo u HAVE to leave the front

[@Csmz]

Isn't the hull HP comparison a little misleading? The Zeus has 15k for body health and 9k nose health, while the Spirit has 16.5k for the body and 13.5k for the nose. That's a 6k difference overall, and from my understanding (which may be wrong, so correct me if it is), those are the only parts that matter when it comes to blowing up a ship. The other 30k HP comes from the wings and rear of the Spirit, which (if you've flown a Spirit) losing a VTOL, let alone a wing, is a miserable flight experience.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

That is correct, and good point, but the ship armor is coming in soon and that will change a lot of these hull Hp.

[@nickeling2776]

Yes, but those "extra" parts are good bullet sponges. We'll see what happens when armor becomes a thing. I imagine some crumple zone between the enemy and the important components can help.

[@BinaryNinjasPOV]

I changed my C1 for the CL and Im regretting it so bad

[@th3orist]

then switch back? the ships are both in the pledge store, just melt the CL and buy C1, its also cheaper

[@pauloxtm]

The Spirit C1 has more total hull HP because it has a lot more hull parts than the Zeus. But the critical hull part's HP (body) is very similar between the two, 16.5K for the C1 and 15K for the Zeus.

[@Falenir]

The c1 tractor is easy to use

[@RG_Old_mate]

Shook my head when he said that. Been smashing out the ~110scu hauling missions with my C1 tractor beam no worries at all

[@Robert-s2k3i]

Can the Gemini take the fuel out of conquered or abandoned ships before you salvage free fuel no mining no hangers or make something that can transfer the fuel from shop to ship

[@FrenchyTube3]

The HP and insurance differences don't make any sense... the zeus moves slower in every way yet has 3x less hp?? Isn't balancing normally the other way around? Slower ships get better durability to compensate lol. Claim times of 40 mins vs. 6 mins what is CIG smoking lol.

[@papascronch]

They're smoking future plans. My guess is that they think armor is closer in the pipeline then we believe it to be and the lower HP It's going to get covered up by that armor. I pray and cope that that's the case at least.

[@FrenchyTube3]

@@papascronch yeah hopefully, at least they seem to have fixed the insurance claim times, so they’re more in line with each other. Armor coming SOON ™️

[@ericwollaston5654]

Don't forget that the roll rate of the Spirit is greater with the VTOL activated.

[@blackcrest3429]

Tbh still pissed that they gave us the zeus mk2. And not mk1. Also how the hell did they not learn from the starrunner and didn't ad a 2nd entrance/exit for the spirit.

[@GizOfWar]

I wanted the mk1 I took a deep look at the mk2 and nah I'm good il keep my money 😅

[@fnunez]

Interesting that the Zeus didn't immediately obsolete the C1. Good that we'll see some variety in the verse.

[@marty2129]

C1 owner here. I sadly have to disagree, the C1 was made obsolescent in its main role even though CIG clearly tried to make some adjustments (which for some reason seem like they are all combat-focused which isn't something you take your ship into). And honestly, with CIG claims earlier I expected the difference in SCM speed to be much higher (but it wasn't the first time they lied in Q&A).

[@MirageDU]

The Zeus looks nice, but I like the C1. I feel the cargo space of the C1 could be optimized though.

[@tysonburns9535]

Great video. thanks

[@CY3ER]

0:40 Actually, it's 1 pilot seat, 1 co-pilot, and 1 gunner seat.

[@TheWhiteWolves]

11:50 - The zeus does have VTOL, the CL even has extra outlets for more VTOL power than the ES version

[@davegreen81]

I'm going to give the zeus a try but I'm 50/50 right now about melting and going back to the C1. Still not feeling it but going to give it the benefit of the doubt. I wonder how long it takes to get your character onto the tarmac in the C1 via the ramp versus using the ladder on the Zeus? The ladder exit animation takes a few seconds?

[@marty2129]

The seat animation for Spirit also takes a lot of time, so Zeus is also superior in that regard. :(

[@nerdglider]

Actually the BMM is better lol awesome video!

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

You're right!

[@nickeling2776]

You will hardly put any cargo of grid in the CL. While you can put more than 32 SCU of Cargo of grid in the C1. Also the Zeus has VTOL Thrusters, but they are fixed.

[@MisterFoxton]

ES and C1 have similar amounts of empty off-grid space and are a closer comparison. But the CL utilises most of its space as a cargo grid, which is a good thing. The ES for shafted, especially not allowing a 3SCU stack.

[@AdjudicatorBrbal]

I’m going to keep my C1. And pass on the Ford Zeus. Lol love the amenities of the RSI goal post moving ships but im Crusader for life.

[@shortForPychael]

The Zeus kinda feels like there isn’t any space for actual ship components and fuel. Almost the entirety of the ship is livable space, which is just a little odd

[@marty2129]

RSI magic... :(

[@ivanpeso6280]

one correction. Zeus has VTOL trusters on the underside

[@Xaxxus]

The Zeus does have vtol thrusters. Look underneath and turn vtol on.

[@FabledDragon]

All these weapons racks but no where to put spare ammo!. We need an ammo drawer ! wouldn't call the space next to airlock as a secret area, more of a "cubby hole" ideal place to stowaway in :D

[@imnotdwdym]

(Psst, nobody seems to have pointed this out yet but your thumbnail says "Sprit C1" and not "Spirit C1")

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

lol..thanks you, gonna correct that right away

[@Macskinny76]

On both Zues ships, there is a VTOL icon on the MFD. Can anyone explain that function of the MFD ?

[@ronnypendl2926]

The Zeus have VTOL thrusters, but they are 3 extra thrusters on the bottom, which get activated. It does not change the main thrusters, which is a benefit on my eyes.

[@Boss-zo4lw]

Ill be honest, i think the CL is overrated, its built nice but its a large crew count for such puny amounts of SCU and is a pain to load.

[@hurtfixer_]

Which Zeus drops 10 size 5 bombs again? (I forget)

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

its the a1 sprit that drops bombs not the zues.

[@nickeling2776]

@@COMMANDERHAWK22 That was irony.

[@PeterMKent]

​@@nickeling2776 Actually it's sarcasm.

[@nickeling2776]

@@PeterMKent Okay.

[@honey-fe6pj]

When it comes to HP isn't HP Body the most important one i.e. once that HP goes zero then you go boom/soft death.

[@weisthor0815]

doens´t make any sense that you can claim the spirit within 7 minutes whereas you´ll have to wait over 50 minutes for the zeus. who is coming up with these random numbers?!

[@XxstaffdefencerxX]

The Zeus got 3 weapons racks ?

[@ryanmccurdy81]

Is the C1 getting an update as I was under the impression it has 2 size 3 not 4.

[@jwebxx]

@MisterFlagg: Ein anderer KZbinr hat was cooles bei der Zeus entdeckt. Vielleicht kennst du das ja noch nicht. Wenn man aus dem Airlock geht, direkt hinter die Tür, gibt es neben dem Airlock direkt eine Tast zum Öffnen und Schließen der Tür. Und ich meine nicht die Taste an der Außenhülle und natürlich nicht die innen, sondern außerhalb, rechts neben der Tür. Wenn man die Klickt, schließt sicch das Airlock und die Hülle und es bleibt ein kleiner geschlossener Bereich. Er enthält zwar keine Luft, aber man könnte sich verstecken und ist von der Hülle geschützt. Die Frage ist noch, ob man da was schmuggeln könnte... Ich finde das irgendwie ganz witzig und werde das mal bei Gelegenheit testen. Dachte, vielleicht könnte dich das interessieren.

[@vigno9793]

Kinda weird that the Zeus takes so long to be returned, i was thinking it would have been a bit higher, but not almost 10 times.

[@azca.]

The ES is so good

[@C0Y0TE3]

I really like it so far. I also have the C1 and while they are comparable "as of now" they are really different when the other mechanics come online. Cargo/speed/atmosphere/range/scanners etc. I may keep both, but we shall see.

[@PatrickFisker]

id take 400i and c1 over the zeus models!

[@christianehrenfeld6840]

My birthdays on the 9th u wanna gimme 100 bucks for the 400i😂😭?upgrade my c1