Which Types Have a Growth Mindset? (It's Not Why You Think!) | CS Joseph Responds

[@jacobwiren8142]

It's spring time here in Ohio, and I am a 35 year old INTJ man. I have no spouse, no children, only a small startup company, and only 10k in the bank. You picked a great time to remind me that I'm not trying hard enough to grow...

[@eichornfilm7122]

Who cares about what you don't have if you yourself know who you are and you know what you want, coming from an INFJ

[@larapunk3532]

Wow bro

[@TokyoTaisu]

Jacob the average age of a unicorn founder is 34. Keep faith in yourself. And get to work.

[@aimeimi6159]

Having lived closed to an INTJ for several years, I’ve always felt this person is more a of a ‘feeler’ than a ‘thinker’. It makes sense now that Ti users are the real ‘thinkers’ among all types. This is great content, thank you for releasing it!

[@jks234]

Fascinating explanation of how I can be free to "go my own way" as an INTP. It will be met with resistance frequently. But that is natural because it is new. And that is the way that TPs are natural leaders. Not by trying to be. But simply by being authentic and showing people that there is another way.

[@hnr9lt-pz7bn]

There's always another way.. 💯

[@sylviaowega3839]

Us TP’s are natural leaders, albeit reluctant to lead. Social norms o also know has always been my nemesis as an INTP, but will follow the rules that will fall within reason, like traffic laws.

[@midnightblue2893]

Thanks for sharing this point of view regarding mindset Chase! From my observation, when a TP type cultivates a growth mindset, they do seem to possess a leadership quality that can motivate others to do the same. As an INFP always wanting to grow, I couldn't help but listen to this video lol. Thanks again and hope you are doing well. 💜

[@jenniferc1671]

It’s really true. The TP’s are the innovator’s, and the FJ’s are like a mirror reflecting the thing into society.

[@pinklasagna8328]

NJs are good at making others perceive they have a growth mindset doesnt matter whether they actually have one.

[@AriaKlauser]

I give you this one. A lot of the actions I've taken to grow as a person and professionally come from my dear ESTP brother and some other ENTPs. I love the way some of them conduct their lives and definitely adopt that mindset, it has helped me a lot thoughout my life when I don't know how to act in certain situations.

[@aparnadas359]

With my own experience ni hero literally create their own path, make their life and ofcourse they are very successful usually not always. But unlike TPS we don't try a bunch of new stuffs randomly it's not trial and error for us, so we wait for se feedback and observations to make sure sure we don't make mistakes what others did. So we learn from the the trial and error of TPs I have always been the trend setter,first they ignore then laugh then they follow. My diet to my skincare to my relationship everything Im an infj and Unlike TPS I'm not outwardly rebellion but from inside I'm.

[@photosky14]

This mentality has it's down fall, you learning from others mistakes. You not taking the journey yourself to find out and learn from that experience and above that doing the mistake of letting others follow you and in real you never tried it yourself.

[@zile8869]

I'm also an Ni hero... and just as much as its important for non Ni heros no not underestimate Ni hero, it even MORE important that Ni hero doesnt OVERESTIMATE itself. The hero function tends to do that, whether its Ni or not.

[@aparnadas359]

​@@photosky14 good luck to infjs for learning from own mistakes with si demon

[@aparnadas359]

​​@@zile8869 true If the se can't cope up with ni hero vision, it's nothing but a fruitless dream

[@zile8869]

@@aparnadas359 the problem isnt Se inferior. Its Ni hero.

[@sylviaowega3839]

Great video here, Chase! I know that since I was a teenager, I have been very growth focused, as I always had the mentality that I know little, and had a lot to learn and grow as a Ti dom.

[@CuddleClaw.]

TP types living by example, yes, definitely. We are all seen as abnormal, yep. Looking good Chase! Thanks for the video!

[@susanrodriquez3757]

Is what it is. TP aliens lol. It can suck in some ways but TP personalities are all part of what drives humanity forward.

[@thes7450]

I know you already know this but I'm explaining this to those who don't.What you said applies to the most typical cases for each of the 16 types. In reality, it's much more complex. In certain cases, nurture triumph nature. I have Fe parent and I used to think based on the social norm years ago, but now I rely way less on current social norm to dictate my thinking. It's because I know current social norm is not based on truth and yeah I've adopted social norm but because my Fe parent is more developed, I choose what social norm is the most accurate and if there isn't, I just do what I think is good for the people and just do my own thing. The problem with typical FJs is that they have underdeveloped Fe or Ti function . It's funny to see how there're TPs who think based on social norm without verifying most of it because other nurtural Influence/other function is influencing their judging functions.

[@duggo3918]

So what is growth mindset supposed to mean in this context then? Thank you for the lecture!

[@AsaiahBenjamin]

I think the best example in media of an ENTP with a growth mindset is the main character of the hit soccer anime Blue Lock, Isagi Yoichi. He literally built himself from the ground up in terms of soccer skills. His signature theme is literally puzzle pieces. Constructed and deconstructed at a moments notice once he has learned something effective, useful, or game-changing.

[@Entyipo]

Yeah I thought he was an ENTP too. Also amazing anime

[@idontknowhatoput8663]

I thought he was an INFJ but ENTP actually makes so much sense

[@hugfal-animepiano1178]

Oo i just watched that one it was amazing, got the vibe he was Infj tho but i don’t know really

[@AsaiahBenjamin]

@@hugfal-animepiano1178 I say ENTP because he spends most of his generating ideas and helping other people to utilize or reach their potential. Eventually for his benefit after training and developing his ISFJ subconscious a bit. He starts hedging his bets more often, using subtle possibility manipulation (Ne) to get people to play the way he needs them to in order do things the best way systematically. Ex: (Barou) Spoiler warning: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | V Later on he takes a more ESFP Super Ego approach and gets crazy competitive later on in the manga, learning to copy the best traits that he can from others. Ex: (Rin, and Kaiser). He does this while also learning how to manipulate the egocentrism (Ni - desires) of others. Since before this when Barou didn't want to work with him all he could do was find another possibility. Now he is aware of their desires and will use his predictive ability to manipulate those desires without asking. Essentually his Ne (Extraverted Intuition) usage has matured.

[@AsaiahBenjamin]

@@hugfal-animepiano1178 Also him awakening his desire to win with his own goals was him stepping into his unconscious Ni to find a way. Essentially boiling his own ocean of (Ne). Allowing him to realize the only future (Ni) where he finishes his goals the quickest (progression) was with a one touch Direct shot.

[@zile8869]

Chase, some clarity please! You have previously said that the INTJ is THE self improvement/kaizen (meaning 'continuous improvement') type. Meaning they are the ones constantly seeking to improve themselves and grow. (You could say this is their mindset). Now you say, TPs are the growth mindset types. Logically speaking, do these statements not directly contradict each other? Do you still stand by your original statement, or have you changed your mind after gaining more experience? How is it possible that the INTJ could have a mindset specifically for continuous self improvement, yet still be among the fisrt types you rule out as a growth mindset type, simply for having Te? I'm not seeing your logic here, please explain! And if, by any chance, your explanation is, "these are 2 different types of growth mindsets" or something along those lines, then why didnt you explain this in the video? And how are they different?

[@TokyoTaisu]

Elevation and growth are two different things indeed. Lots of growth comes from failing and the wisdom generated with that, while elevating / improving doesn't necessarily have to be. Example. Bodybuilding. The INTJ would paint the picture of the perfect body, research a routine and start continuously pumping heavier weights to get the desired result. This could be completely autodidact. TP types would go explore and connect with people and try and fail and try again and get to know a lot about powerlifting, olympic lifting, stretching, gym fashion, current social norms, feedback loops etc as well. And maybe figure out they should not bodybuild at all but stick to Zumba.

[@AsaiahBenjamin]

Wait so then would TJs adopt the principles of FPs?

[@hatelhastel8399]

No, i don't think so. They say its about priorities when obviously high te users have it right as this world needs achievements 😑. I don't know what fi is even good for😑.

[@RachelL421]

Interesting video and I actually agree. The only inaccuracy I found was when you said that FJ’s only think within what is socially acceptable. For me as an INFJ, that’s not true. I think a lot of things that are ‘cutting edge’ and not socially acceptable, but I definitely don’t share those things if I feel they will not benefit others or will have a detrimental impact. When I do share my ideas that are ‘uncomfortable’ for others, it’s because it will improve them more if I do.

[@pinklasagna8328]

type affect growth mindset only until a certain checkpoint and then nurture takes dominant.

[@davidpapojr8531]

Yeah, love this. Istp I just do it but yes this ends up being true...

[@yax5395]

you could still say that INFJs are feelers, just extroverted feelers. from that perspective it makes sense to me. being a feeler doesnt have to only include Fi users, just depends on how one views it.

[@yax5395]

so you could define feelers as types with Fx as one of their first two functions and therefore more focused on either their own or other peoples feelings making them feeling prioritized

[@Zpaaztyk]

What if the ESTP I know has a philosophy based on nothing real, such as "the future is female"?

[@TokyoTaisu]

Then there's an overriding profit motive lol

[@butterflyy909]

What kind of mindset do FP’s and TJ’s have?

[@Zactastical]

He said in the beginning, they are achievement oriented. anything outside of that is likely growth through emulation.

[@TheChannel-ut7nv]

If Ti/Fe users create and enforce social norms then what do Te/Fi users create and enforce

[@Dani-je3fr]

What about subconscious of fjs? Can they use those to carry over to the ego? I do relate to this. I just like being apart of everything but I do not enjoy going my own way. I wish I could sometimes but it doesn’t feel right.

[@photosky14]

Doesn't other functions play role in growth mindset other than Ti and Te. I always make sure to surround myself with high Ti users to stay on track. Useful.

[@TokyoTaisu]

Chase could it be that regarding the fourth turning, that every generation has more or less occurences from a certain type. As mother - kid seem to have opposite type there could be generational cycles in personality distribution as well. ISFJ moms spawning ENTP sons who marry INFJ spawning ESTP who marry ISTJ spawning ENFP daughter spawning ISTJ son for example. 4 temperaments in 4 different generations. And there are 4 turnings and 4 dominant temperaments.

[@ifawazkhalid]

Really cool! Thanks

[@bobbyjean1581]

I heard of a growth mindset as being related to personal growth, overcoming challenges, keeping going through setbacks towards achievement, putting in effort etc Interesting point about Ti users being true thinkers. Does this mean Ni users are the true intuitives then?

[@simpletomash]

I disagree with the conclusion that FJs cannot create new social norms/re-shape the ones existing. I believe UD FJs which have been forced to focus on their own Fi can develop their own sense of what is moral and afterwards preach and externalise those morals with their Pragmatic TP subconsciou's Fe. What I also believe is that Chase is far too familiar with this reality regarding UD FJs, however still chose not to mention it/not to think of it. That's what I believe is true, be generous enough to correct me if u know otherwise.

[@forkymental5154]

I saw a couple of people tell Rollo Tomassi that they're sigma males. He responded with "There's no such thing as sigma males. You're just asocial hacks".

[@TokyoTaisu]

lol point.

[@rafsanimam5647]

Hey man, can u make a video on how intps can find out what they want in life? It would honestly save my life

[@WhatDoubts]

My quick answer: exploration and experimentation.

[@hnr9lt-pz7bn]

When you're still in young age.. basically no hope. But if old enough, actually you must have accumulated many Si experience which there's always some subject that most interest you. Except you're lazy af then you're really need to get out for self trial and error so you accumulate it first.

[@pinklasagna8328]

Robert greene

[@qasimimtiaz9668]

i say istps the most due to being movement and having Ni child. eminem is good example.

[@DoriterEater]

I don't really understand because I am very aware that the things I deem true are not socially acceptable, do I find comfort when I see other people following the truths I feel I have discovered for myself? Yes, but being comfortable in it is not a pre-requisit for me to know it's true? Only that I will be less hasseled for living my truth. I disagree that I only form my opinion around truths based on societal norms, I do agree that living out these truths is something I struggle with if I don't have clear examples. Regardless, I push through and suffer in my confusion about how to live it out because it's still true! I may not do it in style like an NT, but goddammit I try.

[@Thilosophocl3s]

Am I supposed to take you at your word because I'm an fj, or question your Te and call you out?

[@SnoozeTheRecluse]

The general rule for Ti types is to always verify and don’t rely on old info.

[@Thilosophocl3s]

@@SnoozeTheRecluse 🤣🤣🤣 thank you!

[@hnr9lt-pz7bn]

​@@SnoozeTheRecluse wrong.. that's only applies for Ti heroes and Ti parent.. and at some extend Ti child when they are mature enough.

[@SnoozeTheRecluse]

@@hnr9lt-pz7bn No. There's no reason that rule shouldn't apply to Ti child and Ti inferior types (FJs). In fact, following this rule is how FJs develop their Ti function.

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

@@hnr9lt-pz7bn Exactly

[@onlydavid]

This is a terrible exclusionary take. Lots of types build grit intuitively and NOT Just intuitive types. If you read this comment, go research "growth mindset grit" and take special notice about how grit is the opposite of being stuck considering your fixed traits. It is about resilience, goal setting and seeing failure as another step toward success.

[@majavidova4311]

And other progress types are not growth oriented?

[@stevemiller8895]

I'm not sure, did you make the distinction between individual or corporate growth mindset internally or individual or corporate social growth mindset externally, what type of growth mindset exactly were you talking about? And what is your definition of growth mindset? As well as your qualifying criteria for establishing this definition of growth mindset, bc I really think your terms were ambiguous and abstract, perhaps next time you could be a bit more concrete and specific. Thank you!

[@junhui7796]

Actually after thinking about it I think I disagree because you apply normative facts to cognitive functions. I think the functions with pessimistic attitudes should determine their ultimate role. My argument is this: 1. the best outcome is through nurture as opposed to nature, because nurture grows more. 2. pessimistic functions are stronger further in life because it is more painful to use and therefore you grow more using it. Therefore, Fe pessimistic should determine the social norms, but it should be based on Ti pessimistic truths.

[@CSJoseph]

Yeah but you don’t consider the polarity shift from cognitive transition

[@junhui7796]

I don't understand how it impacts pessimism and optimism of the function. If you attach optimism and pessimism to different sides of the mind, then all of these functions has an equal amount of pessimism. Therefore it would be polarity reversed due to cognitive focus, which again is not down to type but also cognitive focus - my point stands.

[@AsaiahBenjamin]

Cool video!

[@haseebjaved2516]

As an INFJ, how can i develop a original growth mindset true to me?

[@haseebjaved2516]

I get persuaded by people’s path and sometimes feel i am not adopting my path. This can cause a bit of identity crisis😔

[@thes7450]

question and verify everything as much as possible..ofcourse do it in a gradual manner otherwise it will to be too overwhelming for you to handle because social norms nowadays is not based on truth but based on false belief. I know because I've been there. Find your own identity and accept it no matter what it takes.

[@Brickwilliams]

Makes sense

[@sandradibiaso7316]

TPs created social norms thru their FJ aspiration. Your FJ subconscious cares about providing a humanity plan for others to follow and yes you TPs do this live out the social norms that you created in your subconscious and aspiration thru your ego.

[@infdox9051]

Where does INtj fit here

[@generalpatton838]

That guy in the backround @ 6:13 is wondering what the hell are you talking about

[@gabrieladiaz1679]

So, God is an tp Who dictated the social norms to Jesus?

[@rpoutine3271]

I disagree with the INTP type being the ''fatass in his mother's basement'' type, here are my arguments: 1: We INTP men are around 2% of the population and I am pretty sure basement dwellers are more than 2% of the population and that INTPs are actually rare amongst those due to our small part of the population and for reasons below. 2: Ultimately we do get principles through Ti and the influence of the Inferior, principles such as ''Being a low life is bad, for me, for everyone else and from a 3rd person perspective'' and ''Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself''. 3: We like to be independent and deserving of what we get, accountability. Living without deserving to live would make us feel like absolute trash. 4: If everyone would be low lifers life would suck very bad, from a Ti perspective not working to contribute would be hypocrisy. Only the most unhealthy and depressed INTPs would be basement dwellers, probably because they are troubled or kinda done with life. I always have been working, even in elementary school, in my first job I was working up to 95 hours a week in onion fields and doing so many different tasks that included leading two teams of 8 and driving farm equipment. Of course what I mentionned in this paragraph is just my experience, but i can tell just from that that being a low life is something I always avoided and looked down upon since it did not meet my principles, all ordinary Ti doms would avoid that. We are the closest thing to ISTPs, I think it is time people stop seeing us as lazy, weak bastards and actually meet us irl, if you would meet me you would not even think for a second that i am ''Beta'' and ''feminine'', after all I am phlegmatic-choleric (Common temperament amongst INTPs, makes sense due to our shadow) and at least in the top 10% in terms of mass and height, I would seriously damage your average ESTP with a single right hook.

[@idontknowhatoput8663]

Ikr I always hated when CSJ called intps doormats or betas, I literally never related to it and it made me question being an INTP multiple times

[@rpoutine3271]

@@idontknowhatoput8663 Same thing for me... and alot more INTPs.

[@idontknowhatoput8663]

@@rpoutine3271 also where did you get the statistic that intps are 2%? Are there are any more about the other types

[@rpoutine3271]

@@idontknowhatoput8663 Stats i saw in the past, 2.5ish percent for men, about 1% for women, making INTPs around 3.5% of the population. Just now i saw on google the same stats by searching ''MBTI population'', some say the % is a bit higher, but it makes no sense to me, in fact I would not be surprised if we were not even 3% of the population due to tests being biased toward Intuition and just mistyping so many people. On the INTP subreddit alot just end up seeing that they are in fact INFPs, INTJs, ISTPs, ENTPs and even ENFPs... Heck, even ENTJs mistype as INTPs.

[@qasimimtiaz9668]

depend on genetics

[@eminemstrash2021]

ENTJ for the win

[@junhui7796]

I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. Many FJs I know stand against the social norm if it is hurting someone they care about. The growth mindset of TPs depends on truth, but what truth means with regards to social norms is essentially down to the Fi of others. Using truth to create social norms requires an extra step to infer what the truth means. This may be different for different people. I would argue that TPs' "truth" growth mindset is too influenced by how they perceive what is right. It could be based on efficiency, peace, or freedom, or other values, which they absorb from the people around them. So I disagree with the claim that TPs determine social norms entirely, and that these norms are fair simply because TPs can see the truth. Moreover, the right social norms should be decided through communication between all participants in the society. The way this is communicated in the video is dangerously pessimistic, imposing what is on how things could be. Perhaps in the future you could include a comment on how each type can contribute to the social norm, on top of describing the status quo.

[@RandolphTheWhite1]

People seemed so bothered by your camera set up lol

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

The blackpill is not about giving up as is the common consensus. it is about recognizing the harsh truths of life, and building up from there (looks are extremely important for example). The truth will set you free, the growth mindset (red pill) is a good thing, but it needs to recognize the harsh truths of humanity (black pill). Growth stemmed from delusion only leads to the integration of greater delusions.

[@friendlyanomaly6109]

Isn't the definition of Redpill "hard, painful truths above falsehoods and blissful ignorance"? Blackpill is overrated. Redpill for life.

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

@@friendlyanomaly6109 yeah thats how they market it. A lot of it is coping.

[@friendlyanomaly6109]

@@jhinthevirtuoso4886 Isn't the black pill marketed the same way? Just with more depression?

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

@@friendlyanomaly6109 no the difference is that the black pill recognizes the harshest facts. I'll give an example if you are born with a micropenis, and a ugly face you can improve all you want it simply won't make a difference. The red pill will tell you that working out, and making money will improve your situation. It wont. there will never be genuine attraction for this person.

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

@@friendlyanomaly6109 so instead of telling them lies they want to hear, tell them the truth. they will always experience the same outcome regardless how much effort they put in. This will make them resentful. if you tell them the harsh truth it will set them free of their frustration. The truth will set them free since now they can healthily cope with their situation, instead of constant self doubt, and bitterness.

[@qasimimtiaz9668]

wait most blackpilled guys are intps?

[@haseebjaved2516]

How can FJ benefit people? What comes raw to them?

[@thes7450]

They make other people more responsible with their values to the point it doesn't lead society to corruption, that's their perspective. It's always from the perspective of trying to make other people better as a whole and make other people achieve more. Notice how Fe function is a reflection of Te? Te user wants to achieve more, Fe user helps other people to achieve more. Most FJ nowadays are not quality FJs and same goes to any type. Quality FJs based on the context of this video, adopted social that's the most accurate and will keep updating themselves with new inputs to make sure social norm is not corrupted and actually reflects truth because they realize what makes people grow and become better is the truth itself. Fi dom have Ti demon so by default they see truth as evil and because of that they want to create a new form of truth that reflects their personal values as a form of a guidance for other people thinking. What happens if they're not being responsible with their values? well society becomes corrupted as a result because they're the first one who ignore the "current" truth entirely. FJ guides high Fi users so they ca create a more complete principles that reflects truth that people can apply.

[@Hottdiggitydogg]

The “being an example” thing isn’t fully true, ppl don’t want to be like tps, ppl only adhere to certain norms created by tps that benefit them. Also every single type creates social norms and “lives by example” by just existing, tps do it by challenging the opinions of others. People actually want to be like fps out of all the types as they adhere to their own values which are more individualistic than logic and can be seen outwardly because of te- which as it develops has massive impact. The behavior and lifestyle of tps comes off ugly in society and no one wants to be them but their social norms are accepted as they should be because it’s basic logic.

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

So what is the behaviour, and life style of the INTP? Tell me enlightened one.

[@Hottdiggitydogg]

@@jhinthevirtuoso4886 lmao intps are super chill, don’t take what I say too seriously I was just stating my observations. Obviously not all people of the same type will have the same behavior or even lifestyle. I was talking abt the criticizing, isolating, and alienating nature that comes with high ti users. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, it’s very much needed but high ti users value logic so much that it’s not logical if that makes sense. I’ve noticed entps I’ve met to be so inconsistent, lying about everything, and what they promote and what they do only align 50% of the time yet they are supposed to be “examples” yeah right. Tps seem to have that the rules don’t apply to me mentality yet they are making the social rules

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

@@Hottdiggitydogg if the rules are logical i will follow them if deemed illogical TP's wont follow the rule. That's the whole point of being pragmatic. i also abide by my own created social normals, as CS joseph stated lead by example.

[@Hottdiggitydogg]

@@jhinthevirtuoso4886 cause and effect is ti, if everything has a cause there is an excuse for everything. What even is a growth mindset? How do you define growth? Growth of what exactly? Is it success? Is it getting to the truth? And let’s say the truth is reached and absolute truth exists then what? How do you grow from there?

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

@@Hottdiggitydogg i will go answer each question you have point by point. everything does have a cause, and effect this is true. what matters in this case is if it has negative or positive effects (this can be quite subjective) as a negative in the moment can become a positive in the outcome or vice versa. taking away suffering from people, and their qonsequences is not always the best thing to do as this leads to decadence. (this is happening in the west at an alarming rate). although consequences can be used as excuses this should be fought with hard facts, and truths that have a broad scope of accuracy. a growth mindset is the ability to overcome hardships, and thus integrating yourself (IE not shunning your shadow instead listen to it). it gives you the necessary answers to your problems/shortcomings. the shadow is a direct reflection of what you neglect about yourself example FE, ethics creates a FI reflection which will constantly make itself known through negative thoughts, and actions. balance is necessary. the reason CS joseph thinks TP's are the ones with a growth mindset is, because they have the most trouble within the current society to reach this point. it is extremely difficult for TP's to be accepted, because by nature they deny society. i define growth by the integration of the four sides, which will lead to a whole individual capable of all aspects of human congition by making the unconcious concious. this implies overcoming hardships. i can give an example how recognizing truth itself can help you. lets say you lack self worth. most people who lack self worth are correct in their conclusion. they have no control over themselves, their actions, thus leading to negative qonsequences for themselves, relatives etc. this makes them feel worthless to themselves, and others. to fix this is by first recognizing the problem (your unwillingness to take action) your shadow will tell you why you feel the way you feel. if you are afraid of social settings try to have small conversations with people its really simple in theory, yet people are too afraid to act on this. start small (say hi to the bus driver) then start a small conversation with a cashier. build up from there. small steps do wonders. thats the way i overcame my FE inferior fear this also trains my ability to initiate. i HAD to recognize my shortcomings to confront them people have different problems i agree, but you can apply this to pretty much any shortcoming/fear you have.

[@danielribeiro9720]

So INTPs start life being Beta and end up being what?

[@Susana-yg6hk]

Ended being at my limit 🥺🤬

[@zlatanibrahimovicisbettert7980]

thats all

[@malakashraf2801]

If you put the work you can be the most masculine

[@anaribeiro7967]

Português?

[@louisejoel]

better

[@celticdeamon567]

Ti operates within the illusion that objectivity is possible and thus become enslaved to believe that their facts, or goals... have value. When in actual fact, attempting to use logic to define REALITY is a trap. True reality is awareness without applying logic through thinking ( attachment to labelling). You try to divide reality into bits and pieces to create models to represent reality but then mistake your models for fundemental reality. It makes no sense. All this is useful for is small games. But what are you expecting to win? REALLY. When what you win is made of the same fundemental substance or lack thereof as your goal. How could they really MATTER? How's the world of growth and goals going really? It's a hidden in plain sight HELL and you would only KNOW if you could FEEL it. As what your community would abstract me into as a psychedelic ENFP.. a supposed entity, an assumed identity. I see a carnival with people playing silly games, and what they're hoping to win and getting uptight about doesn't matter. It's haunting to watch humans..and at other times funny. Philosophy is a fools game because you are endlessly dependent on thinking you can arrive at truthful conclusion through reasoning and abstraction. You just create endless questions. Infjs get stuck here all the timmmeee. The moment you contemplate you lost. The answer is to not think about it. Just realise what has and always will be, become aware. PURE MIND. But Ti takes pride in the act of Trading one model for the other endlessly without seeing what happening. And call me whatever you want for not thinking it's real too. You try to contextualise the field of mind into some sort of objectivication, forgetting your own place in the process, your responsibility. You think the objectivication is solid and that aknowledgement of the field of mind is abstract. But one will always be, and the other is temporary and can not last. And then you say that enfp doesn't care about the truth? This is nonsense. What is growth? What are goals? Taking how it ALL IS into account, and I mean everything, the very opposite of nothing.. what even makes sense to WANT? We already have and are everything. Society and thinking and NORMAL is creating division and separation from truth through identification with labels and forgetting the higher spiritual truth of NOW. You say enfps don't care about the truth but I couldn't disagree more. I'm just one who found out how to describe things honestly. (labels are for people who don't understand what's going on, BULLSHIT.. but I can use them in this game because I know it's bullshit) I use the illusion to get back to source, dwelling with source, aka awareness is primary GOAL. What more can you grow into than everything? I used psychedelics to let go of identification with mind over many years, healing myself, because the WHOLE collective effort of the first worlds human system, science, and other religions and all its many experts with proud years in institutions, is INSANE, could not understand how anything fundamentally works.. admitted it to me and asked me for MY help. When I was as teenager supposed to be there for their help! The root of this human insanity always comes back down to the same thing, though it's presentation in form is myriad. There is no objectivity from within the mind. Read that again and despair all you Ti types. You operate from a faulty premise and I come before it. To get the truth clear. You DEFINITELY don't need logic. You are the microscope and the thing you breaking apart verifying. But you forgot all about it. How embarrassing!! if you operate from the assumption that the phenomenon of mind is reality you will be stuck in a hamster wheel with no fulfillment.. With no SLACK. The only thing that has reality is the field of mind itself.. From within it, to assume that what you "thing" is real, is to be already stuck within several layers of subjectivity. This is all a trick of the light.

[@rpoutine3271]

The world works in causality, Ti also works in causality, we do not try to define reality, we simply try to understand it the most and the best way to do that is through causality, again, Ti... Our facts and goals have value because they often are about improving stuff. Awareness without logic means not seeing all the underlying determinants, being mislead and mistaking factors for causes. True reality is impossible to perceive in the moment.

[@celticdeamon567]

​@@rpoutine3271 true reality is impossible to perceive in the moment" correct. But that does not mean it is impossible to perceive true reality. Eternity can be accessed NOW. But it is not an iterative extension of now lasting an infinite amount of time. But a static temporal point pervading time. We can zoom in or out. Ti types zoom in. You think the moment is all there is. And since that is what you are manifesting that is what will be true for you. Until you are ready to go beyond your limited perspective defined by time.

[@celticdeamon567]

​@@rpoutine3271 the rest of what you wrote is too messy and I don't have time to correct it now.

[@celticdeamon567]

​@@rpoutine3271 awareness without logic = to perceive things AS IS. = No more and no less. This is pure. Therefore what you are saying does not make sense.

[@celticdeamon567]

​@@rpoutine3271 you may think you are improving something, but you can't see how futile your efforts are in light of what already IS.

[@charlie_skc]

do you ever take a proper hit on that cigar

[@CSJoseph]

I get really strong ones, so no, high volume tiny hits