Cultaholic Wrestling Podcast 191: Was AEW All Out 2021 The Best PPV SINCE WrestleMania X7?

[@StevenScodes]

It's truly up their as one of the greatest PPV's of all time. We all have different opinions on which show is better and that's okay. This was a beautiful podcast guys!

[@Tcrror]

there, just trying to help! I know I liked it better than any other PPV. And the implications of it also put it WAY up there.

[@98suly]

I love these bois, Friday is my favourite day. Also ignore what people say to you, you three do a tremendous job. People shouldn’t give you hate for your opinion

[@daniele551]

Ross - Can’t get that back up. Maffew - that happens after a few drinks

[@wickideazy]

Best part of a 3 hour podcast that hits at 3pm on a Friday? It's just long enough to finish out my work day and the commute home. Edit: Jack, are you blind? The entire planet saw Jericho's foot on the rope before the count of 3. The Mars Rover saw the foot on the rope before the count of 3. Silly lad.

[@LoneLoaf]

I went frame by frame. It's literally the same frame. So I guess it's up to interpretation

[@Elpezidente]

There's probably a couple of other PPVs I liked better but it was a great PPV and if Ross liked it what's the big deal?

[@Nbflowers1989]

"Young Jamie." LMAO since the lads have been back in the office, Ross loves to have someone at his Google disposal. Love it.

[@bornturnerdead]

AEW’s use of factions seems a good way of getting multiple big stars screen time even if they’re not wrestling a match themselves

[@misterking71]

45:49 I kept saying "Downward Spiral...downward spiral...DOWNWARD SPIRAL!!". Thank you, Maffew! It was used in the 90s in reference to Nine Inch Nails.

[@rangerdonald1]

Jack, with a all time great saying he saw Minoru Suzuki’s winky. I lost it

[@liamhemstock2286]

I don’t know but I think it has the most shocking ending to a PPV since then. The PPV was brilliant. Everyone felt over on this show similar to WrestleMaina X-Seven. Punk vs Allin was an outstanding match and Bucks vs Lucha Bros stole the show. It was brilliant. EDIT: in terms of AMERICAN wrestling PPVs. It might be the best PPV since MITB 2011 or Survivor Series 2002. I still think Revolution 2020 needs to be talked about though in this conversation. I think All Out 2021 is better then WrestleMaina 19 though because whilst that has a lot of great matches there is some filler and stuff that’s a bit weird (the car fight stuff is crap) but I don’t think I can say it’s on the level of WrestleMaina 17. Although. I think we all love WrestleMaina 17 because of what it represents to wrestling so who knows. In a decades time maybe we will call this the best PPV of all time. Who knows.

[@angelyaluhhhh9130]

Don’t ever compare AEW to the amazing show that was WM 19 🤣 2 debuts don’t make a show the “best”. Punk match was mid and omega/Christian was basically the rematch they had on dynamite except that omega won. Angle vs Lesnar is light years ahead of Christian vs omega. Jericho vs Michaels was better than Jericho vs MJF, Austin vs Rock is easily better than the filler card, McMahon vs Hogan was more entertaining than the punk match and the women’s battle Royal

[@angelyaluhhhh9130]

@@VelvetMetrolink simply you are just a mark. AEW would have no chance against the attitude era. WM 17 is simply the best ppv in wrestling history. Austin vs Rock is better than any Indy wrestling match or anything that AEW has put. Rock and Austin were and are megastars. The pops they receive and the merch sales and ratings they bring in speak for themselves.

[@kanebrownridge2818]

@@angelyaluhhhh9130 simply you're just a wwe mark who has probably never watched any indy wrestling ever but still think you have enough knowledge to speak on the subject, go watch raw whilst cringing and wishing you'll get the attitude era back which will never happen whilst we chill over here and have fun.

[@jamesb1988]

I was 15 years old and Wrestlemania 19 was my first live event :) I didn't realize it at the time, but knowing now that it's arguably one of the top three WM's makes me so glad I was there. During Fan Axxess I got signatures from John Cena (who was about 6 months into his rapping heel gimmick), Trish Stratus (even more gorgeous in real life, especially for 15 year old! Lol) and.... Chris Benoit. I have mixed feelings about having that signature.

[@liamhemstock2286]

@@jamesb1988 that’s wonderful. Austin’s last match as well. That’s a massive deal. What was it like when Leasner hit the Shooting Star Press from where you was sitting. Could you tell he was completely out of it from where you was sitting

[@glenndonnelly7730]

Let's show Ross some love I fact let's show all these guys some love death threats for enjoying a ppv is ridiculous hope they get taught a good old lesson in dexenct

[@KharmGaming]

Lets all be honest here, all of these keyboard warriors that spend their day typing death threats on the internet are normally from people that are angry at life because they still can't grow any pubes

[@Sh4dowgale]

It was an amazing ppv. I jumped out of my seat around 6 or 7 times. Every match was at least a 7 out of 10 in my opinion.

[@zachariahingram9974]

You know what Ross,I hope you live fabulously forever,always pitching good wrestling content and commentating like a seasoned broadcaster wishes they could.

[@SR-kt7jc]

"Chekhov's Ref" is a criminally underrated comment.

[@TheJameswinter44]

8pm...you know what that means!

[@coltt]

Whats the opposite of a death threat? Because I want to give that to Ross. Love you guys.

[@brainofwombat]

A life promise?

[@woodberry323]

Jack making a one piece joke has made my day genuinely

[@duckhuntdog8034]

13:10 - I genuinely didn't know Ross did an STH with Steveson!

[@Herbert_Rudolf]

Wm 17 is still the greatest payperview of all time but all out is in the top 50 maybe even top 10. but wm 24, wm 19 and wm 30 were better. Also wk 11 and summerslam 2002

[@semperaugustus661]

WK11 was really good. Okada/Omega, Tanahashi/Naito and Shibata/Ishii

[@markengland7874]

Best podcast ever

[@tamzidmohsinkhan3333]

AEW All Out is probably one the greatest ppv in 10 years of pro wrestling overall

[@eric.el.idolo_]

I can agree with that because I still love WM 17 over All Out

[@josiahboatengmyrie]

@@eric.el.idolo_ you forgot mitb 2011

[@andreweaster9460]

I think its really sad that Jack and Ross just accept death threats like they should never receive death threats in the first place but for them to become normality is disgusting 😢

[@mr.sinister2029]

It really is.

[@ZOMB13SLAY0RZ]

Guys it's 3:24AM why did i have to stumble upon this now it means i'll be up till at least 7AM. Looking forward to this.

[@williamleepratt7264]

80's Wind In The Willows is mighty fine stop-motion animation.

[@jorgewashington1469]

If triple H started his own promotion it should be called Paul Elite Wrestling

[@FGHHJazz]

jack the jobbers barenaked ladies reference with the "one week to say that" was great and it went unnoticed

[@johnnelson3797]

when Jack references Field Goals and american football regarding The Keith Lee song, minor correction...Field Goals are also regular shots in Basketball, so Tom's lyric works.......Woooooo

[@Rand0mHero713]

3 hour podcast to listen to while at work? Ya love to see it!

[@BenArifi27]

Love me some podcast tings with da lads. Also, ignore the haters. Love from the land down under

[@heatherwright3981]

Maffew, lad.... I am so flipping OLD that I saw Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer video when it was new, haha!

[@MrTheSmurf]

I love every member on the pod but the og 3 hands down best chemistry. Especially when jack and Ross team up

[@Crow5537]

It’s easily best pay per view since MITB 2011 the fact another company can get 200,000 pay per view buys is what I love to see they got very good viewership beat RAW in the key demo they’re getting mainstream press more money being made more ticket sales more sponsors Great times

[@kieransmith51099]

Ross, ignore the haters we love you!

[@ujai5271]

"They better book Zelina to win on her emotional homecoming on 9/11". Absolutely baffeling they didnt even have her on the show at all.

[@dakotathoman]

I love the podcast and continue to listen pretty much no matter what, HOWEVER......I really miss diddler, bollocks and swearing. KZbin :(

[@midnightdarkness8730]

AEW WAS SO GOOD

[@RazorTooths]

The shock values enchanced the PPV, but putting it on the level of X7 is crazy imo. If we're going recent, Takeover New Orleans, Takeover New York, and one of the recent Wrestle Kingdoms could be, but All Out is a tier lower than those. Those two Takeover shows didn't have a bad match at all.

[@timothygraham4304]

He didn't put it on the same level as X7. A PPV can be only half as good, and still be the best PPV since X7. Obviously, there were a fair few since that were more than half as good, but the point is, it's possible.

[@RazorTooths]

@@timothygraham4304 lmao you're right, but well if we're speaking technicality then the PPV after X7 is the best PPV since X7 😂

[@jasonjimerson7046]

I have never been this early to watch one of these!

[@timothygraham4304]

Why not? It's uploaded at the same time every week?

[@jasonjimerson7046]

@@timothygraham4304 I usually listen to this late at night while at work. Figured that while I was not asleep yet, listen to this right away instead.

[@thefiggamehunt6946]

I just love the concept of the cultaholic podcast

[@wh5601]

This is why Vince McMahon has his obsession with “moments”. If done right, they can overwhelm you with emotion and make your brain stop working. All Out wasn’t close to as good as numerous PPV’s since X7 from a match and storyline standpoint (not bad to be clear just nothing special). I mean, outside of the cage match and Punk vs Darby, I wouldn’t say there were any genuinely great or memorable matches at all. What it did have were those “moments” that made you forget that this is a tv show and allowed you to be wrapped up in the glorious emotion and theatre of pro wrestling

[@DoozieDoodle]

I strongly disagree I think every match on All Out was stellar, both in-ring wise and storyline wise

[@wh5601]

@@DoozieDoodle Really? I’m genuinely surprised by that. You’re entitled to your opinion obviously but you really think the casino battle royal was stellar? You think the storyline and build to MJF vs Jericho was stellar? (Feud had a lot of great stuff but should’ve ended instead of adding a retirement match so Jericho could get a win). You think Paul Wight vs QT Marshall was stellar on any level? 😂😂. Those are just the particularly bad ones. There were a bunch of other matches that were just decent in those areas. Personally I feel like you’re confusing simply good with stellar

[@DoozieDoodle]

@@wh5601 I was going to come back to say Paul Wight vs Qt wasn't stellar, because it wasn't, I just don't think it made the entire show any less special. The Casino Battle Royale wasn't perfect but yes I loved it. MJF vs Jericho was booked and worked really well IMO, it's probably the most I've ever cared about a "Dusty finish" before, sitting in that moment where Jericho's career was announced as over made me emotional and genuinely made me hope for and want the match to be restarted, and that moment isn't just about the moment itself, it's about all the in-ring work that led to the moment and the in-ring work that followed it. That's what makes a moment "done right," if the moment makes sense and fits into the in-ring work they're doing then the moment can work and it is only making a special match/show even more special than it already is. Were the matches on All Out technically better than say Dominion 2018 for example? No probably not, but everyone on that All Out card preformed at a top level where they knew they were a part of something special.

[@wh5601]

@@DoozieDoodle Fair. Guess it’s just a personal preference thing. I still very much enjoyed the PPV, I just think that to put it at that all time level is a bit far for me I do also agree that the MJF-Jericho match/finish was good but excellent in ring work and storytelling within the match itself making up for a unnecessary rematches and overbooking is the sort of thing WWE usually does so seeing it from AEW confused me a bit. I have faith that it won’t become a regular thing with them but still…

[@DoozieDoodle]

@@wh5601 Yeah I see what you're saying :)

[@bak8823]

It's definitely a great ppv , everything makes you smile . Maybe cus I'm still new to aew but my top ppvs are wm30 n a few takeovers

[@Idnowhatever]

Ac 4 (black flag) is generally considered top 2 (especially if you exclude “side games” )

[@johnthebomb06]

Now I want to see Pirate Party.

[@MrTheSmurf]

When the boys are full of bite it's fantastic love it

[@TommiP1988]

Coming soon: Maffew mispronounces Cockney rhyming slang. Features such hits as ‘Apple and stairs’ ‘Brown dead’ And the hot new single ‘Ruby Curry’

[@jonathansmithwick5703]

As much as I enjoyed All Out, I think it's worth pointing out that the biggest attention-grabber ahead of the show, CM Punk's return to the ring after a seven-year exile, was something that AEW had little part in arranging in the first place. It was compelling because it was a real story, not a piece of genius writing. The biggest "storyline" going into it was Jericho vs. MJF, and it didn't make for a spectacular ending to that feud. Similarly, I popped off at Suzuki and Danielson's debuts, but I didn't care about them because of anything that had happened in AEW itself. I think that's why it feels wrong to compare it to a PPV that had months or years of development leading up to it. For someone like myself who gets much more invested in serial stories than individual matches, it's just not quite the same thing.

[@JagerLange]

Getting a Skinny Akeem vibe from Maffew's shirt this week. Nice.

[@hello1721]

Nice. A Nobody's mention!

[@hugosandoval1836]

Jacks mention at 2:03:00 is from the oney and Burch vs ever rise. The moment is at 1:40

[@crackedspyglass]

2:21:42 WWE's problem could've been solved by not running the same matches every week.

[@emanueltwr]

VAmos Cultaholic United. Para la Victoria!

[@EvaWaffel]

It's late, I'm knackered, time to watch the podcast

[@JitteryJackanape]

ECW ONS 2005 or 6 are both better. Wrestlemania 30, 19, 22, MITB 2011, RR 2017 also up for debate.

[@boog2069]

Can't forget summerslam 2002

[@josetheragood3213]

How many wrestling/Skyrim fans out there that can't help but start singing Edge's theme any time they go to Solitude the first time.

[@mackdomann]

The A Team on this podcast should be shaking in their boot after the excellent showing from the B Team on last weeks podcast

[@mumafiedmustangs]

Haters: "Ross I'm going to come to your house and do bad things" Me: "Ross I'm going to come to your house and cook you a lovely brunch"

[@ashleyprice9205]

Insane how some of us are saying All Out 2021 is the best POV since WM17 which was 20 years ago and Christian and Jericho were on both shows !

[@Blocparty01]

Jack was proper up for a fight in this episode!

[@SgtCrumpet]

Absolutely.

[@MRMIdAS2k]

Lockdown 2005 was pretty fucking good. Nothing stood out as *fantastic* but everything was great IMO, great stuff.

[@AJDaEnvoy]

Summerslam 2002, Wrestlemania 19, Wrestlemania 23, Wrestlemanai 24, Wrestlemania 28, The One Night Stand PPVs, some may argue MITB 2011, I personally wouldn't say this All Out show is the second best PPV of all time, I think there's too much recency bias here since it's new and just happened.

[@KaarmaTime]

I live in Newcastle-Under-Lyme, It is on Stoke's Doorstep! But we are a small borough compared to stoke but thats okay :D Some nice micro brewreys around and close to Port Vale FC

[@KaarmaTime]

Also another great POD again lads!

[@christophernuccio445]

The concept of Sledgehammers.

[@Jhakri_]

I almost died from that Suzuki story from Jack.

[@markengland7874]

Love you guys

[@masons3770]

I'm not sure if this is personally my favorite ppv I think takeover new york or wrestlemania 24 (for sentimental reasons) but in terms of moments it is easily one of the best imo

[@youdontknowjack6682]

Jack, you can escape superheroes by just real life scrolling on

[@louismcglone3765]

Takeover Dallas and mania 30 are my personal all time ppv

[@chrismilton7344]

Secret video guess: hot ones? I know some of the sauces are available in the UK. Altho Da Bomb was 40 quid last time I checked!

[@therealmattfowler]

That was definitely Heroes of Wrestling . 😂😂😂

[@stevengordon9990]

Theres also a Newcasttle in Northern Ireland :)

[@Djiehh]

For some arbitrary reason I feel as if I had recently read that Newcastle supposedly has one of the best nightlife scenes in the UK. I don't have any idea how or why I acquired that knowledge, but I feel like you guys are selling your city a bit short there. But Arthur Ashe Stadium is not on Long Island, it's in the middle of Queens.

[@ww4l]

I'd like to argue 🙂 Tell me your fav wrestler and I'll insult them 😂

[@ww4l]

He uggo. That's why he wears the mask! and takes too long to remove his glove. He could get squashed before even saying Cero Miedo 😂

[@thefiggamehunt6946]

Let not forget victory road 2007 lads come on now

[@savgrid]

Ac black flag is 1 of the top 3 ac games

[@TarnishedCaveman]

Cultaholic Hollywood vs The Brew Crew at Survivor Series incoming

[@optimus2008]

What if we have to put it down between Double or Nothing 2019 and All Out 2021?

[@loopyleo1083]

Alright, when are we getting the Upper East Side vs The Brew Crew?

[@Nbflowers1989]

The lads!

[@theehhhnd5708]

I like the one where Roman faces Brock

[@NewAzn]

I, too, am a fan of Puffy humor.

[@benvlerick8303]

I think my favorite ppv might be WrestleMania 31 (it would have been 17 if I was a fan at the time but I was like 4 so 😅). Totally overdelivered. And Rollins cashing in is still one of the biggest holy shit moments

[@dsadams17]

Who the fuck would send Ross death threats? He's a great guy. In fact, he's a (formerly) SICK GUY!

[@agaming2k293]

As a man from Ashington... I am hurt. You are not wrong. But hurt nonetheless.

[@liamhemstock2286]

For me this is how AEW need to balance their talent put more. Blow off some of the feuds on Rampage and Dynamite so for example in Rochester on Rampage have Brian Cage vs Rickie Starks OPEN for the live fans but when the broadcast comes out it is the main event and AEW just did some swapping with the match card. That way because you’ve given them the main event it feels more important. Use Rampage sometimes as mini PPVs. So for example, the Rampage the night before Full Gear is where we could see Miro main event for the TNT Championship. It could be where we see Trios Champions be crowed (more on why I think those titles are effective later), it could be where we get another Women’s storyline blow off like say Deep vs Shida if they were to have a feud. Trios Titles. These can work with the Tag Division and not be a hindrance to them. When you look at AEW they have A LOT of Tag Teams and also a lot of trios teams and some of those Tag Teams are in those Trios Teams. For example, if Private Party aren’t going after the Tag Titles then they and Matt Hardy can go after the Trios Championship. If the Death Triangle are in the tournament to crown champions and they get pinned by say Dax from the Pinnacle that can spin out into Lucha Bros vs FTR for the Tag Titles. SPREAD THE TITLES ACROSS SHOW ACCORDINGLY.

[@paultheporc]

Ross's Upper Eastside Boys against Andrew's Tea Time boys at survivor series please

[@JohnReedy07163]

I still think TakeOver Philadelphia and New Orleans were better than MITB 2011 and AllOut but I absolutely love AllOut.

[@KarmaxKarma]

jack may be a dakota guy, but ross will always be an ember man

[@sutejamin7411]

Tian Sha vs Twedell Sha Should Main Event ‘New’ Nxt

[@MattAlbie]

English boys talking shit about New York food... Now I've seen everything!

[@APennysworth]

AEW needs to put gold on PAC.

[@leftwingdragon6235]

This is the first time I have heard about the Vince Russo knews there has been so many wrestling knews stories recently.

[@psrdirector]

The Algorithm told me to post. Far as the Adam Cole story, I think that it is true, but it was just one of many storylines they pitched him

[@DerKomischeTyp]

it definitely was the best for me.

[@PhantomFTW.]

No... It was even BETTER!

[@eibun2011]

With gable steveson in the company, chad gable is either back to shorty g or just chad

[@bloodredroses88]

The thing about AEW and releases is that I don't see it ever happening, they have connections with new japan, GCW, impact, ChocoPro etc. They can easily send their people around the world when the pandemic is fully over and use all the people to improve all the promotions. AEW to me doesn't have a card or an order, it'll get to the point where the whole of the show is just really good wrestlers, in really good story lines putting on a really good show. Adam Cole having the opening match doesn't make him any less of a wrestler than if he main events. The lucha bros and young bucks match was the middle of the card and that was one of the best wrestling matches in decades. Pre show matches, youtube matches are all the same, it doesn't make somebody under utilised just because they aren't the main event. You don't need a belt to tell a story, look what the belt did to Bray. Tony Khan will never release wrestlers in waves over a tweet or a text message, the dudes just far too nice. He's not stopping anybody from wrestling anywhere, and everyone in AEW can be used to improve the product. Give it a year and Brian Cage will have wrestled Punk/Cole/DB, you can't do everything at once and you need to capitalise on certain situations like punk/cole/DB when you get the chance. Everybody else will get their moment, and I'm sure nobody is complaining about having time off to rest and spend time with their family. The only thing that will happen in AEW is that the whole show will be improved, you wont have something like raw where everything is painfully average and you get the same match 6 months in a row between the same 4 wrestlers.

[@jwiki95]

Honorary Hall of Fame entry, giant Adam Pacitti head that was in the crowd at All Out. Who does something like that

[@billsagrets314]

enter shikari for the hall of fame!