Cultish: The Cosmic Christ of the New Age (W/Steven Bancarz)

Join us for this exciting episode of Cultish. We are joined by our friend Steven Bancarz and we debunk the Cosmic Christ of the New Age. This is a vitally important subject in our time. We hope this episode equips you to be a solid and effective witness for the true Christ. Be sure to tell someone about the episode!
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[@aspirantlifepsychology1234]

1 yr ago, watching 5/34/23

[@linzzz519]

I’ve had friends and relatives falling away from faith in Jesus Christ like never before. It absolutely breaks my heart. It starts out with things like yoga, Enneagrams, manifestations, and progressive “church,” and ends up with states of deconstruction, divination, and believing they are divine and more spiritual than everyone around them. I’m praying for so many people to wake up, humble themselves, and and be delivered and freed to worship in Truth and Grace.

[@StevenBancarz]

Good being with you guys again :)

[@johnmyers6372]

Steven Bancarz : What are your thoughts of authors Watchman Nee, Madame Guyon, Brother Lawrence, etc

[@Gracenglory5]

@Steven Bancarz Honest question: is there a reason Josh Peck is never mentioned as the coauthor of the book you wrote with him? I’ve been wondering this for a long time. Don’t want gossip or speculation from others. Appreciate all the content you guys shared today. Blessings in Yeshua!

[@bfreenstrongerfreebritney1814]

@@johnmyers6372 as far as I know Nee was probably a christian but very confused and with really bad doctrine. Madame Guyon, I was a new ager before Christ saved me and I see her just as a mystic experiencing all kinds of occultic practices and saying that "all is God" and God is within us and stuff like that only makes her more heretic and occultist, also her mechanic writing.... she was a quietist I think that's the word, sorry I'm Spaniard

[@Alexandracockroft]

LOVE IT WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TOGETHER - This is one of my faves.

[@jason.martin]

Hopefully you can have a dialogue with Russell Brand one of these days ! :)

[@aspirantlifepsychology1234]

This content from Cultish has brought me back to the true God, Jesus Christ❤. I can not thank you enough. I have been studying psychology at a Christian university. My identity has been in Christ. Through my studies I got curious of the new ageism. It deceived me and lost all my friends and family. God has answered the why the loss of relationships thru this video. Thank you🎉

[@sarahsaunders5599]

I was sooo deep in new age for 2 yrs even after growing up Christian. (law of attraction /the secret/affirmations/visualization/meditation /crystals /tarot... But, one day I broke down in work feeling empty and just depressed for no reason, and the new girl, asked me to come church, so I did, and when there I felt the Full, overwhelming love of God on me. And here I am full blown Christian, closest iv ever been and so much more knowledgeable. He allows these things to happen and uses for his glory. Amen!!!

[@KimberlyOfTheRoyalPriesthood]

So great! The Lord is so good and so gracious. God bless you

[@les2681]

A question for you. Did you actually believe in the new age stuff or did you just kinda do/learn about it for fun? Because I just think its hokey and collect crystals because they are pretty and do yogo and meditation for mental health reasons. I like doing tarot readings with my friends just to see what they say, but I dont actually believe any of this shit. I'm super curious of your personal experience and I'm kinda wondering if I need to stop messing with all of that stuff even if I dont believe any of it.

[@lesliewilliford2179]

Thats an awesome testimony of Gods grace

[@fdsajfldaskjf]

@@les2681 Tarot cards/crystals are indeed hokey. And as for meditation? That relies primarily on your intent. The Bible often says to "meditate" on His words so meditation itself is not an occult practice. It's improper meditation done with improper training that can be spiritually damaging. One of the big things I feel Christians are missing nowadays is that. Meditation relies primarily on one's intent so if you were to focus your intent on following God and listening for Him then you're on the right track. At that point, the main problem is distinguishing God's voice from the devil. One key hint for rooting out whether it's a demon speaking is if they mention anything about nature. Nature, otherwise known as Gaia, is an occult name for Lucifer. Focus your intent away from the earth itself and only on the Holy Spirit that inhabits it. Humans are one part spirit/soul and one part flesh. To ignore the spiritual realm out of fear is to ignore God and to believe he cannot shield you from the influences that dwell there.

[@Hey-zx3ls]

@@les2681 little by little u get more curious that's how it all starts once u seek proof u dig deeper eventually you find the supernatural sides of it and at that point u will need some supernatural help hence some people end up in psych wards

[@jorgeledesma1517]

God is really using this brother to snatch souls out of the kingdom of Satan! All glory to Jesus who took us with him to the cross!

[@Mark-ql5ni]

The Lord led me to Steven's video on the New Age and God used it as a huge part in leading me to salvation. Hope he starts making more videos again.

[@krazo4Christ]

His conversion experience sounds very similar to mine. It's pretty rare that I hear from other believers that were not witnessed to, and yet were born again in a moment of solitude. I always find it reassuring. God is so wonderful that He can do these things! 🙌🏻❤👑

[@johnmyers6372]

HE is listening for our heart's cry, even if we don't know what, or who, we are looking for. He draws us. He is so good and merciful. I relate to your testimony. He chose me. I did not choose Him. I only surrendered. He is so good!

[@sally9352]

I grew up in a Christian household but it was in solitude that Jesus responded to me. That's when I realized I knew nothing of God and started my personal relationship with him. ❤😊

[@KKKaTTT123]

You re not alone buddy!

[@Jesus_my_redeemer]

Cory… yes I knew no Christians at all when the Holy Spirit knocked on my heart and to make a long story short, I fell on my knees and cried to God to forgive me. Thank You Jesus!

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

Same here. I was alone in my garage when I prayed and then God got me when I was taking a shower lol. I came out of that shower a different man.

[@jaquirox6579]

Steven, I want to publicly repent to you. Though I know you’ll probably never read this. A while back, I saw a video with you as a guest. And I really stumbled with the topic you were talking about. Coming out of New Age, and then the prosperity gospel, I was very very highly guarded with anything that sounded like that. And then seeing you on Sid Roth’s show... I wasn’t sure if you were trying to teach or encourage false doctrine, or not. And I did an immature Christian thing, and I commented saying exactly that. I felt like I slandered you, though it came out of concern, I think I did it inappropriately. It probably wasn’t ever my place to even try to express that concern, and I shouldn’t have done it publicly. I’ve supported you and your KZbin since you came out of New Age, and I thought you were backsliding or something. But I’ve been convicted of making a public spectacle of it. I feel like I slandered you or something, though I don’t think anyone really saw my comment.... God did. So please hear my repentance. Truly maturing in Christ has been a long process for me, and I’m convicted more everyday. You’re a brother in Christ, and I hope your ministry is going well.

[@klemensoeargo8475]

Thank you for your willingness to admit it. Hope you found a great church to guide you on your journey to know Jesus Christ better!

[@jaquirox6579]

@@KimberlyOfTheRoyalPriesthood It really is a growing lifelong process. And I just keep getting humbled more and more in different areas by God. Thank you for your kind comment. ♥️

[@jaquirox6579]

@@klemensoeargo8475 of course! I by no means ever claimed to be perfect, or right about everything. And I have no issue admitting when I messed something up. It’s a very deconstructing long process to leave New Age, and the prosperity gospel. And it takes a lot of reading your Bible and listening to very well rooted Preachers, to sort out exactly which way is up, and which is down again. And it takes time. In the beginning, you get a general sense for correct theology yes, because The Gospel is actually really straight forward, when it’s unclouded with corrupt preachers. But you don’t really learn the intricate nuances within theology until you’ve really lived in it for a while, and continually gone deeper and deeper. I’m understanding a lot of the nuances now, and recognized my sin from before. But to answer your question, we do have a local church yes. But I wouldn’t say it has ever helped me regarding my theology studying, I do that on my own at home. The church is a small private Baptist church, the sort of KJ onlyers, etc. I’ve never found church to get into theology at all, that’s why I seek out preachers on here who go deep like Jeff Durban, or Chris Roseborough, and many others. But the church situation in Montana is really overrun with the prosperity gospel, WoF, and NAR, and new age... it’s hard to find a church at all that just teaches the Word simply. I spent about 3 years looking just to find this little Baptist church, all others were PG related. Anyways, I’m sorry I ranted here a bit, but hopefully you understand what I was trying to explain. ♥️

[@klemensoeargo8475]

@@jaquirox6579 Same situation here in Indonesia. I'll pray for you in our weekly meeting.

[@jaquirox6579]

@@klemensoeargo8475 Thank you so much! I will pray for you too. ♥️🙏🏽

[@jjgems5909]

People say Christianity is confusing and conflicting but this is something else 😬

[@tonypino5415]

Praise and thank Jesus for pulling me out of the deluded cloud of confusion I was in before I got saved.

[@roberteaston6413]

In 1999 Billy Graham in a TV interview with Robert Schuller(it is on KZbin) talked about meeting with people in other countries who were not Christians. Graham said that even though they were not Christians they had a "Christ consciousness" and therefore were right with God. Schuller nodded in agreement. It is sad that the most famous evangelist in the world would say this. That belief is attractive to people such as me. I am half-Japanese. I was born in Japan and have non-Christian relatives there. My Japanese ancestors go back 3,000 years. Of course I would like to say that a cosmic Christ saved them but that is not what the Bible teaches.

[@assyrianrelief]

CRACKIN me up @ “Buddha was a deadbeat dad.” 😆

[@assyrianrelief]

I like Steven’s thinking. He can go like a speeding bullet with his thoughts. I have.a hard time keeping up but I like to learn.... 🤓

[@Theohybrid]

Same im learning while also being warned. Its interesting.

[@laylascott6096]

Same he makes me feel like a dunce but I'm cool with it. lol

[@funnycatvideos1848]

He speaks faster than I can listen

[@kf9058]

I had to slow this down I usually watch 2x speed, and even with it on normal my brain hurts so bad. Trusting in the Lord is so much more peaceful.

[@assyrianrelief]

Hey guys. Bancarz is a brother in The Lord. Anyone making comments about how they are having a hard time keeping up with his speed of talk. That isn’t helpful or detrimental. Consider wisely how you may offend a brother or sister in The Lord. I made my comment in loving jest. In truth, I can keep up with him if I focus.

[@-moumou-]

The strangest thing just happened. I was wondering what happened to Steven so I searched his name and sorted by newest. Came back to my profile and Cultish posted this notification 3 mins after I went searching. Beautiful. Good to know you are well Steven! I recently finished your book. Thoroughly enjoyed it - It's helped me with my discussions in a very new age community I currently find myself in. A buddy is into it as well. It's an incredible resource. Thank you. I look forward to this discussion.

[@carolinehobson7365]

I feel badly for the New Age people, it seems like they’re missing the personal relationship you can have with Jesus.

[@annehynynen8153]

They miss EVERYTHING that life could offer when they miss the relationship with God. Escapism - that's what New Age is.

[@jjaammee11]

I agree. My question is why does the New Age depersonalized God and Jesus? Mr. Tolle says in one of his books is to “Never personalize Christ” That is very disturbing.

[@bibleaddict1081]

Same here. They're sooooo confused. I've seen it and was shocked. I mean it's crazy. They are incredibly lost. Would be good to teach them. A very confused people, who don't know their right hand, from their left.

[@bibleaddict1081]

Some are reprobate. But not all.

[@keithpoulos8641]

You can be into new age and have a relationship with Jesus. Just because someone has a different relationship than you does not mean they don't have one.

[@Logalactic]

I confess the blessed name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

[@sally9352]

Good to have you with us brother!

[@MessianicJewJitsu]

Praise and respect that you realized all this while you were young.

[@jjgems5909]

Wow that’s sad that they’re allowing this in the church. So glad the Lord brought you out of that deception

[@esibrian81]

@@1john4six ?? 🧐

[@Rubberglass]

Wow. Thank you for sharing this!

[@ThrivingWithGaylaDGaia]

This answers SOOOOOO many of my questions!!! I lived in NorCal for 11 years and it truly became hell on Earth because I had major identity crisis situations. Thankfully, Jesus Christ got me home to the East Coast and I was able to decompress from the alien world of California. Then in 2019, Jesus really revealed himself to me again... the Prodigal Daughter came home.

[@donnamenary9084]

Hello Gayla, a Christian friend told me God does not see us as a Prodigal, only daughters making our way home. It touched my heart as I too considered my self a Prodigal Daughter. Much love and Blessings in the Holy name of Jesus of Nazareth.🎆🙏✨

[@jeremyshelton9927]

I am never one to comment on any KZbin videos. I have been following apologia church since it’s genesis but have been going through a divorce since the beginning of this year. I dove in for years exploring reformed doctrine and falling deeply in love with Christ. I have lost a lot of faith and have been exploring a lot of the new age thought . First with meditation, and recently with psychoactive drugs like lsd and shrooms. I really needed this. Thank you, and I hope for prayers from all my brothers and sisters. Thanks again for this conversation

[@whitneybryant2858]

Praying for you brother Jeremy. Satan loves to use these "feel good" movements and theologies to try and deter us from finding our peace and hope during our trials and tribulations. May this time bring you closer to Christ Jesus. God will use your story to help others!

[@Weissguys6]

I prayed for you tonight brother. May you stand strong and keep your eyes on Our Great Lord and Savior and the LOVER OF YOUR SOUL, Jesus Christ.

[@lynda_lou]

I really enjoyed this thank you. I had such problems with the law of attraction and being spiritual, and trying to become no thing, in no place and no time, and my teacher told me to make an elevated experience in this no thing no place no time and no where, but i could not find love and peace in no thing no pace and no time. I tried to find happiness for years and years trying to become nothing, and once I found Jesus I became everything and my life changed 😀❤️✝️ jesus changed me in three days, and the new age industry made me become nothing in 8 years.

[@stefanlouw6395]

Steven Bancarz is a powerhouse of knowledge

[@bea_mom_3]

Yes! Thank You Jesus 🔥

[@joearch5588]

Steven Bancarz is great! He adds a different personality and perspective to any discussion

[@ljones98391]

@Joe Arch. And he adds a wealth of knowledge on some pretty esoteric topics.

[@poppzs]

I like the fact he addresses the abuse of quantum physics by mystics to tie the physical with the spiritual. What is scary is that Bethel embrace this gnostic angle and encourage their followers to follow this rabbit hole and thus blur the line between Christianity and New Ageism. I like this guy's articulation and intellectual rigour when tackling this heretical thinking...being previously neck-deep in it makes his testimony all the more powerful and insightful

[@Yesica1993]

Only about 30 minutes in, but just had to say that Steven is always such a good teacher. He explains difficult, often opaque concepts in a way that helps you understand what the person holding these views means when they use the terms. And having had personal experience, he also gets underneath the motivations, the reasons why people get into this stuff. I hope he's in a strong church & has much support. The work he does is difficult & with a lot of spiritual opposition. Satan doesn't like it when he loses people to the other side! People need to be praying for him, constantly.

[@admininfo536]

The first Christians believed because they met the man in the flesh. Early Christians believed because He gave his life for them and preached forgiveness even on the cross. Over the years, many were converted on the basis of fear (crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the threat of hell and judgment). But future Christians will believe because they understand His message.

[@Shush379]

Wow this guy is so articulate ❤ praise God

[@theway3058]

Every time I hear and get more familiar with Stevens views I get a better understanding of the views of the new age people that I encounter daily. The Lord is going to use this man to bring many to Jesus. And out of the false gospel of new age.

[@toanz4869]

Power of Jesus and wisdom of God is soo good to hear from a former non believer of his level. Amazing Grace

[@itzprime92]

This is such a great podcast for a baby Christian like me

[@BatmansSistaRobin]

I have been so confused about all of this. Opening your third eye, the Kundalini. So I started praying about it and today I honestly believe that the Holy Spirit led me to this video! So happy I didn't fall for the deception. May God bless you all! 💖

[@goelalphonz8798]

Please pray for me. I am stuck in this way of thinking that Steven described when he was talking about the new age. I want to get out but I can't. I was raised a Christian and try to believe in Jesus but this new age way of thinking has taken my mind captive.

[@stevenkuiper3347]

When you get to a private place call upon Jesus and pour your heart out to Him. Repent (admit you've gone astray and that you need His help and ask to be forgiven of your sin Ask Him to guide you and show you the way.) Pray that he would show you the truth and that he would remove the scales from your eyes. Ask Him into your heart to be your Lord and Savior and for His Holy Spirit and He will deliver you. Then fill yourself up with the Word... I would start with the gospel of John. If you have any questions feel free to hit me back. Trust and believe in Him with a sincere heart, be patient and build a relationship with Him and His power, grace and mercy will be undeniable. He loves you brother!

[@007Tinkins]

Thank you for having Steven on again. He is 100% right on when saying that in sharing the Gospel we do well to keep circling around to what Jesus says about himself and who he claims to be. Once it can be established that He is God, then His authority as Creator is set. Since He is the Creator of Truth, and is Himself Truth, then everything He says must be reckoned with. Subjective opinions and personal experiences take a back seat to the authoritative Word of God. I’m praying for your valuable ministry to the body of Christ. God bless you all.

[@sambobosky]

Imagine the conversation between Steven and Eckhart Tolle. Would be interesting

[@eddykohlmann471]

I don't think that's going to happen 🤣

[@cassaway]

Best idea

[@sydneyevan1333]

1:13:25 ESCAPISM 100% reformed Christian/former refined new ager and this was so useful, and intellectual to the point that really hits home for us out here who dedicated our lives to these practices, ideologies and now dedicated to Jesus Christ! Bless you three All Glory to God

[@catalystlove8458]

All paths of the True Seeker leads to Christ. 🙏

[@brandonwest3187]

My older brother sent me this and i was skeptical at first, but after giving you guys a try I began to understand why he sent this video to me. Thank you guys so much! This has helped a lot. It cleared up so much confusion in my head. Now I will only read the word and nothing more from other religions unless its to correct them with scripture like you guys are doing now. So once again thank you

[@brandonwest3187]

Correct them as in people not them as religions idk if that was clear in my comment before

[@beautifymyskin]

There are so many new age concepts in the substance abuse counseling community and even embedded in substance abuse counseling. Even within those that are considered to be "faith based"

[@johnhunter9388]

yep. I went to one rehab that was largely Christian but one counselor was a reiki practitioner..I shouldn't have but I did, she didn't tell me anything new that she hadn't already known from me sharing in class lol

[@self-publishinghelp8596]

I was seeing a Christian counsellor for my depression. I only had a few sessions because I didn’t find him helpful. It was just supposed to be cognitive behavioural therapy (which I think is sound. Just like I’ve seen the principles of Christian substance abuse counseling to be biblical), but watching this, it strikes me how my counsellor had been subtly imbibing new age ideas and practices and incorporating them into his Christian counseling. No wonder it didn’t work for me. Not very truth-based. Although I think the Christian-based twelve step program I attended for awhile was based on good principles, I expect some new age stuff got smuggled in to your group. It happens very subtly.

[@kylielogan8771]

At my domestic abuse counseling center same thing new age nonsense. Lol I started finding and collecting fossils and gem stones when I was little I have a large collection. I cannot get out of my head this guy at a gemstone shop I was checking value of my stuff anyway he had his hands on this large crystal talking about feeling power. Really the only power it has is the energy it took to dig it up😂. They cannot acknowledge Jesus that would mean facing their sins! A lot easier to involve themselves in something that superficially makes them feel good!

[@eddykohlmann471]

It's messy. They're really pushing "mindfulness" on addicts in the UK. Looks like "raja yoga" with a western name to me. I'm sure it's not helping anyone. AA and NA encourage members to meditate. Less said about them the better. Very low success rate, high number of suicides etc. Sad. All I depend on now is the Bible. I don't trust what's on offer. Keeping people sick is better for business I suppose.

[@karolinaszczudlo9871]

Yes,,, definitely. My friend ( who is not christian, but who knows, everything in God's hand,) went to this rehab in Ireland ( which is very Catholic and most places are religion based), he got to one, which included meditation, accupuncture, reiki etc,,, it's more and more this stuff at schools as well, what is looking like pattern in countries which were strictly Catholic and it was pushed through system everywhere ( schools, and any institutions really), and this was so cruel, corrupt and scandalous, ppl leaving not only Catholic church, but God and faith all together an masse, becoming sceptical, atheists etc or moving to New Age...so I would look at the root of the problem, which is not New Age itself ( it's more of a symptom), but rottenness in main stream religion and their twisting the Word of God - I wish this was address more

[@stefanlouw6395]

Such an incredible talk! Jesus is Alive

[@neilbarc1861]

Jesus is King! Glorify His name!

[@bibleaddict1081]

Praise Jesus Christ. My Lord and my God, Jesus Christ.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🌻

[@sychaellawinger5448]

Although I know my understanding isn’t standard, with all my research I’ve boiled everything down to this notion: 1. Either you believe that we can or have to/would have to save ourselves... or... 2. The one Real, Actual, One True is the only one who can save us (True Christianity). Humanity can’t and never will be good enough to create paradise or achieve self-perfection. God is the only one who can save us and He already has paradise prepared. It’s not something we can make by ourself, if we change our ways to trust His then we can be saved.

[@-altmoon-8975]

Sychael Lawinger - I'm pretty sure you hit the nail on the head! Except there is the option 1b. Or you believe we don't need to be saved at all. Other than that, yep, that's a pretty good summation of everything.

[@sychaellawinger5448]

@@-altmoon-8975 Agreed!

[@Yesica1993]

It's amazing how it always comes down to, "Who is Jesus?"

[@agapeagape3835]

Welcome Steve I'm extremely happy to see you again. I'm praying for you my brother. May God keep you and continue using you

[@othername6345]

Hearing he lives in his parents basement immediately made me think of the rich young man in Scripture - only Steven gave up everything for Christ. I pray that I will be able to do the same if God ever asks it.

[@mariak3212]

I was part of a ethenogenic religion. With strong singers, maracas and drumming we would consume Ayahuasca and worship Jesus and Mary by singing for hours. People would 'recieve' hymns and that would develop into a hymn book. I'm surprised I haven't seen much on the internet of people who leave this cult who become a Christian. It did bring me to Jesus and he saved me from the sorcery of it all. Praise to God and his mercy.

[@ultraman1red]

God Bless you all. Please continue to tell the truth.

[@lesliewilliford2179]

I was a hary krishna for a few years. Was also into the white witchcraft and shamanism. Luckily God slowly drew me to the only truth of his Word.

[@lunajones7142]

This whole concept of the “Higher Self” being impersonal and formless was one of the biggest areas in my life where I experienced cognitive dissonance in New Ageism. I was born and raised Christian but had a similar journey of being exposed to Ancient Aliens and smoking way too much pot, which led me down a rabbit hole into New Ageism... and I could never feel okay with the idea of us “not existing” because my heart of hearts knew that to be untrue.

[@NotMartinLuther]

I got way into the new age starting in high school when I started going to music festivals, got way into the drug scene for years through that, always searching for spirituality and experience in anything I could. I finally ended up joining the Freemasons a few years ago and by some insanely beautiful providence, the Lord got me out of that and saved me. God is so amazing. Appreciate y’all’s work, Jerry, Andrew and Apologia in general. Been a huge blessing to me in my walk.

[@knowledgeallah]

this kids vocabulary is amazing.

[@parlance.electricco]

some will try to get rid of desires to find their authentic selves, until they realize the urge to get rid of desires, is a desire... and then they may seek the truth...

[@JotMaxi]

AMAZING. Thank you, never stop. Really looking forward to when you speak on Mormonism too!

[@DeLaHov]

This was very confirmational, informative, inspiring and frustrating at the same time. This guy knows so much of the truth but a few misconceptions and misunderstandings of a few of the ideas he once taught.

[@freeyourglow]

This is so good, thanks guys! John Mark Comer recently cited Richard Rohr as an influence to his book/course ‘Practicing the Way’. Tyler Staton and Dr. Tim Mackie (Bible Project) have been supportive of Comer’s work. They are all connected through Bridgetown Church. It’s been so disheartening realizing this - as I have followed them as teachers for a long time. It would be awesome to hear your reflections on this.

[@charleslogan1224]

Wow first time for me listening to Steve, looking forward to more of his content in the future. This conversation gave me great knowledge of the differences between a biblical world view and postmodernism

[@DestinyLabMusic]

The new age has deceived so many well intentioned people. I have been trying to help expose these deceptions with my music group Destiny Lab for over 20 years. If anyone ever needs some music to help expose the new age feel free to use our tunes or music videos.

[@cripsician]

This conversation was profound to say the least... People as a general were created by God to worship. And in worshiping and bringing glory to our creator is where we find our true meaning and value. Just like a machine brings glorly and honor to the one that created it and the mind that knitted it together, we also were designed to honor and glorify our King Jesus. And when we make idols and pay respects and worship to something other then the one who deserves it, we instantly by nature are claiming to the world that our life has no value because we give credit to something other than what our existence is drawing us to bring honor to. That in and of itself is the death of your spirit and the dehumanization of mankind. And believe it or not, you have an influence on the world around you and in your circles. And then we see the world turn and tell others, "see, we dont need God in our lives to say that we exist and can perceive" when all the while, we're standing in the temple that that He created to embody His spirit to bring life to us. People dont make idols because they think its valuable and believe they find their worth there because intuitively, Romans 1 says they know God. But they make idols because ultimately they dont want their evil deeds exposed and a little god cant hold them accountable for the sins they commit against the holy God of scripture. The one that knows their deepest thoughts.

[@ailicha1951]

The book they are plugging is EXCELLENT. I highly recommend it.

[@22moonpie]

Excellent content , thank you all ! Can’t wait for episode 2 !!

[@beckyschauer7650]

This was really good! I wish I would have heard this about a week ago before I confronted a friend who I’m watching fall into this new age trap.

[@luciano1984able]

Absolutely brilliant video. I've taken so many notes. I can't wait for part 2. bless you guys

[@yasminmartinez4896]

Love this podcast. I just keep learning more and more. Thanks

[@colterchadwick8404]

Loved it all .Great Job glorifying Jesus

[@PLNK2024]

The "living in a simulation" is so real for a few of my new age friends

[@eddykohlmann471]

It's called Facebook. It's like a simulation of people I used to know. I don't recommend it!

[@charliechristian1097]

Eloquently put, thank you! Briefly involved in new age/occult, drug abuse, saved by Grace alone thru faith in Jesus Christ. My dad's kinda confused by eastern mysticism and such, I think this video may help him dissociate from pseudo-christian pantheism.

[@Rinebo]

I even realize something like Tai Chi, as physically good as it is for the body, can be dangerous if one is not careful.

[@justzaya]

care to elaborate or share some book titles/videos?

[@isabellaaquino2643]

Wow I see so many similarities between the new age and Word of Faith and NAR....😬 it's scary.

[@Bazooka_Sharks]

Walter martin is one of my favorite people to listen to ever. Hes excellent! And really got me into apologetic’s

[@boschblue]

Awesome! Thanks for bringing him - I came across Steven when trying to find Christian perspectives on Buddhism and meditation. I often found that "New Age" and mindfulness stuff is more timely to discuss right now than atheism. (There are hardly any "real" atheists anyway - but plenty of New Age, wicca, Westenr Buddhism, etc. types.

[@karolinaszczudlo9871]

Something bugging me since some while, and since you made statement here "there's no real atheist"... I like to ask you for help. Recently I've watched many videos of testimonials from former NA and it's beautiful and heartwarming ( I was lost in it myself), plus signed out to lovely group for former NA, so , I would say it's huge movement world wide for ppl , who're saved from this false teachings, which is fantastic, . What I've noticed, it's similar pattern for ppl - most NA were in some sort of christian denomination before they ( us) veered off to world of occult, and then by Grace of God, we're on way back to His Word, and I see it often. But what's very worrying is multitude of young ppl, who praise scepticism and religion for them is strictly "silly story" it's cult in itself, it's "opium for masses", etc etc, I came across it often on web and it's breaking my heart, so that's to your optimistic statement that, there's no atheists,,, I've seen otherwise, this beautiful, young ppl hate God with passion, or and wont absolutely nothing to do with any kind of "cult" as they put it. I have no clue how to talk to this ppl, if I would say I'm Christian, straight away, I'm no partner to talk, I'm poor sob, who needs psychological help, so I see NA it's not really such a big problem ( cause so many ppl leaving and coming back to real faith), but real problem is ppl who have built in aversion to any sort of spirituality whatsoever, they only believe in "social justice" and anything else for them is on extremis spectrum, fanatical, right wing , homophobic, sexiest etc etc etc, and I'm not talking about really lost ppl with ten tons of piercing in their face, I'm talking about intelligent, sensitive, but absolutely closed hearted young generation, which at the moment is scary for me,, I would appreciate any thoughts how to deal with it

[@robertknight3354]

@@karolinaszczudlo9871 What I can add to it is , well #1 I agree that atheism is becoming a minority group and it's losing ground to the rise in power of new age. I also do find many, many people who have that old fire for atheism and agnosticism. What I would submit is this; There never was an atheist. The Bible says we hide the knowledge of God. We suppress it. These people we think of who are atheist, these kids on campus these debaters in videos we watch and the family or friends we have do NOT have atheism as a belief system. They believe in the self idol. They make themselves god. They make themselves and or the other idols we use as their god or gods. Sex, public virtue, good works, power and money. Etc. There is no atheist the Bible says. Thus all the pagans of history. Every account in the Bible of pagans are stories of the same people today. They may have sacrificed to mollach whereas today they sacrifice babies in abortion to the idol of career or self. It is the same. There never was an atheist. Biblically. Now, to answer your point more clearly.....there are also many less atheists who are clean atheists today. They're losing ground in the west to outright honest self love or worship. The mysticism and new age is claiming them quicker. I submit that atheism is the 1st step to mystic belief. Yes, you may have 4 friends who claim atheism today but flesh it out or give it a few years and try to dig into them again and I believe you'll find a mystic.

[@karolinaszczudlo9871]

@@robertknight3354 only yesterday I was listening to one of my christian YT channel and it was perfectly explained exactly what you're explaining here- I guess it suppose to be my lesson to understand it in bigger depth, and not only that, but last night I've got phone call from my young friend to whom I only recently confess my new found ( back) Faith and he needed help with mental struggling, telling me similar problems I went through ( kind of psychotic, disassociation states when one loose sense of reality and /or imagination run wilde with different ideas , like- everyone is in my dream, or I'm somebody's else dream, etc), it's amazing and fascinating I've got this three examples for one lesson, Think I need to digest it now more in depth, Thank you so much for taking time to help me on my path , God bless Dear Brother 💚

[@robertknight3354]

@@karolinaszczudlo9871 That is very interesting. Can you expand on that sometime? It seems like some things I've also run into/experienced. Seems something about this level of self indulgent lifestyle leads to these things.

[@karolinaszczudlo9871]

@@robertknight3354 I'm not sure what are the causes for everyone, suppose it's deep rooted in everyone ( some mystics called it the dark night of the soul), in my case, well, since I was a very young child I had those weird feelings, thoughts and experiences, it was too much for "little child", and I've always felt as very old, that I have very limited time, and my first sharp thought was that this life is a dream in the age of four...my nightmares were so severe, that I had to learn tricks to make myself awake, I was scared every night to go asleep and waking up more tiered that before going to bed , It was like living in two worlds, or more,,, I think my very odd dreams pushed me to look in different areas , so in my case it was something I came with, I had this very innocent side, where I wanted to become saint, live for God and help others utilizing my talents and this dark side, where every night had to fight demons, and going stand up to my fears going to cemetery in the middle of the night was a good idea, I'll try explain more, it help me to understand as well I suppose

[@Rubberglass]

Great discussion fells. Steve has so much insight.

[@ultraman1red]

Amazing interview and testimony. God bless!

[@moniqueprince9140]

20 minutes in and it is clear to me I am too stupid to be a New Ager b/c these concepts are unecessarily complicated.🤷🏾

[@SecondChapterMom]

Disappointed to hear about Latifah Alattas with PAGE CXVI!! 😣 I was unaware that she wrote her own “hymns” 😢

[@kbeetles]

Great, sobering words at the end....!

[@boschblue]

Kinda unusual to see a clean and well-shaved man in this Reformed setting, haha.

[@robslack5468]

This interview really came alive once you guys started talking about the nature of Christ and the Father. You boys love you some Jesus, and it's a delight to see your passion for the Lord, especially contrasted with the bland kookiness of the new age theology.

[@renew5751]

I was really struck by the part where they talk about people retreating in a sort of mode of 'awareness in general' thereby distancing themselves from their personal being and the bagage that they carry around so they don't have to deal with painful or hard stuff, like Buddha did. A friend of mine is travelling this road at the moment but as i found his perspectives on the world, awareness and self actualization so alien i came upon this video. Really helpfull stuff and thanks for plugging the book which hopefully gives me some more insight in all of this. Awesome and really inspiring talk! If i understand half of it, thats a lot so may rewatch it at some point.

[@justkenzie]

@ about 31:00 I'm amazed by the insane counterfeit this New Age stuff has produced. Absolutely mind-blowing.

[@oneagleswings8456]

I love the Lord Jesus!!!

[@joynmyheart8294]

Not more then he loves us 😁

[@oneagleswings8456]

@@joynmyheart8294 very true ,"in this is love, not that we loved him but that he loved us, and sent his son to be the propitiation for our sins"

[@RandolphTheWhite1]

Enlightened being: "FOR THE OVERMIND!!"

[@creativesamproductions]

Thank you guys for this!!!!

[@noiseordnance]

I have been watching the VA push new age practices for the last 10 years. I would love to come out and talk to you guys about what they push to veterans if you are interested

[@CesiaBevins]

Warren Smith, Jacob Prasch, Sandy Simpson, Johanna Michelson. Some of the good Sound Biblical teachers to listen to. Most of all reading the Bible the hole Bible and asking HIS Holy Spirit to be our teacher!

[@FullLifeFrank]

Is part 2 releasing soon? I know ya'll said a week in the video, but I'm stoked for the next one. Thanks Apologia for putting on Cultish, honestly it's so helpful.

[@junydamaris]

I got lost in the introduction lol…super deep. Need to view this again but awesome stuff.

[@donnesmal705]

russel brand is saying lots of positive things thats confusing people its bad

[@laylascott6096]

Absolutely

[@sevenstars8945]

Yeah, saying positive things is really bad. It's so confusing

[@nadine8764]

He also teaches via videos on how to awaken the kundalini, smh

[@eddykohlmann471]

He's got issues. I wish he'd just shut up. But maybe that's just me being negative.

[@karolinaszczudlo9871]

I see this all New Age "problem" from different perspective, coming from Catholic background ( thus my parents and even grandparents were not really religious, it was more for convince and rebel against communism), and though I had always relationship with Christ, and was very into warship, when I hit my teenage years, I've seen enough hypocrisy and rottenness in main religions, what got me on seeker path . So without going to much into my personal story ( cause it's not really that unique, and this pattern I see often), I would address the root of "the problem" , which is disillusionment with organized religion, and not symptoms of it, which is as well New Age, as well as satanism as well as atheism, scepticism etc.... could you please maybe address this highly important issue?

[@arialuv6894]

Great content, very very good job

[@chebbohagop]

Excellent excellent interview

[@nathanhimbeault8433]

Is it a requirement for men at Apologia to have an awesome beard to be able to host a show?

[@timsharpe6652]

No.. Or that would be legalistic I guess .. Lol 😎

[@Marnarose4433]

God Bless!

[@danielk9409]

Fascinating stuff guys TY 4 truth!

[@noelkinz]

New Age is the best thing that ever happened in my life and I love it.

[@dougroberts9821]

So sad that you’re so deceived. Read the Bible and learn the truth. Praying for you.

[@mfb3042]

My learning steps came through metaphysics, not a church or a bible. However, after realizing Jesus was the messiah my instinct was to go straight to the New Testament. This happened for me in 1970. My concern here is the immaturity from new agers and Christians that can Inadvertently deter you from your natural heartfelt creative God loving process. God bless your journey. I have to add new age without Jesus is like God without a head.

[@self-publishinghelp8596]

So ... what I’m hearing is that, according to this world view, “consciousness” is just redefined and really means the opposite of what we normally mean. I can’t buy that what is actually unconsciousness, mindlessness, is somehow superior to what this worldview calls “the ego” (awareness). Or that unawareness can somehow generate awareness. If I cease to know myself as myself, “I” have ceased to exist. And that doesn’t seem to me to be an improvement. According to this line of thinking, a rock is superior to a human being because the rock just “is.” It is fully free of “the ego.” Yeah, I’m not going to fall for a line of thinking that teaches me that me becoming a rock would be a promotion.

[@Frank-pp9iy]

I’d love to see Steven on Joe Rogan, his audience would benefit from it plus I think joe would engage with this topic hard

[@bea_mom_3]

Oh boy!!! Yes that would be cool to watch 🍿

[@noondayaxeman4668]

Such a deception. I was involved and deceived by this for years. The good Lord called and saved me last year. Many Gospel sharing conversations coming up with my friends and family still in the new age!

[@SolaScriptura-n-cats]

I’m really curious what you guys think about tattoos from previous days while away from God, and how now to “deal” with them as a Christian. I’m not questioning tattooing itself, but ones that are particularly pagan in nature. I’d love to know your thoughts.

[@SP.Addams]

Can we clarify the difference between the umbrella term of “new age” and the way it’s used here which seems to refer to a super specific sect of the umbrella?

[@gabriellekelly3462]

Oh, this is gonna be a good one👍

[@savedbychrist504]

You mentioned JP Sears, and I used to watch his videos (he is funny), but I started noticing the very new-age art that he has hanging in his house, very much in sight for people to see. My thought is that he has a new-age agenda behind his comedy.

[@jjgems5909]

I wasn’t sure if that was just part of his act? Because he seems to make fun of stuff like that. But I guess he is really into new age!

[@deepethree8984]

People are ready to believe in anything but Jesus.....🤔