Cupra Tavascan driving REVIEW - VW ID4’s evil twin?

[@autogefuehl]

►Subscribe here: kzbin.info ►Also subscribe to our KZbin shorts channel: www.youtube.com/@thomasautogefuhl?sub_confirmation=1 ►Follow us on Facebook / Instagram / TikTok @autogefuehl ►Sustainability in the automotive industry documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaMsi=bCdeJZORRHNcVmV2 00:00 Tavascan EV SUV 00:55 Length, wheels, DCC 01:58 RWD vs AWD (VZ) 02:16 Frunk? 02:39 Battery and recharging 03:07 Light design 03:41 Interior 04:24 Steering wheel 04:50 Seats and cockpit 08:34 Rear seats 09:52 Trunk / boot 10:34 AWD acceleration VZ 11:32 Motorway driving 15:21 Automatic lange change 15:34 Standstill acceleration 15:50 Dynamic driving 17:26 Recuperation 19:01 Consumption and range 19:57 Price #CupraTavascan #Cupra

[@alexsam2630]

You like your own comment? Creepy.

[@newplanchannel9557]

Last time when you did a test drive on that black Audi RS6 Performance on autobahn, you didn't go full speed and i understand because the road was wet, but will you please do a test drive of it again and this time go atleast full speed because that's what i was hoping to see through out all that review

[@izzo2271]

Cupra always go hard, consistently top 5 in designs and that's crazy for an everyday brand

[@wall-e7179]

Looks & feels cheap though

[@lfcjay]

FACTS

[@brunomadeira8432]

For a SUV that is a pretty good looking car

[@Stephenb033]

As an indicator of quality, felt lined door pockets are the new bonnet struts.

[@TerbrugZondolop]

Hahaha so true.

[@autogefuehl]

Data and facts: Cupra Tavascan Color: Atacama Desert 4,64 m 183“ 19 - 21“ wheels Optional DCC 286 hp RWD 6,8 s 340 hp AWD rear wheel bias (VZ) 5,5 s Vmax 180 kmh 112 mph Turning diameter difference: 10,2 vs 11,5 m! 77 kWh net 11 kW AC, 135 kW DC 10-80 % in 28 min Optional heat pump 15“ infotainment standard 5“ instruments Optional 12 speaker Sennheiser Sport seats in fabric or microfibre, cup bucket seats in animal skin Fabric 90 % recycling Microfibre 50 % microfibre 540 l trunk Max towing 1,4 t (AWD) Entry price 56.000 Euro Built in China Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

56000 EUR must be with the new china import tax 😅

[@MrAndrei4777]

I love your channel for the amount of details. You are doing your best to show as many things as you can! 👌 like getting the vehicle into shade to show off the running lights and so on.

[@autogefuehl]

Highly appreciated!! Please recommend us 😎

[@Jezez]

Look Thomas I was a fan before the Zelda reference.. now I’m a super fan! 🤝🏻😁

[@roderickwho1983]

OMG Thomas - you parked across TWO parking bays !!!!! ;-) . (19:20). Thanks for the video. High production values as always.

[@jansenwilder1335]

I was considering BMW IX2..but this Cupra looks like a better value buy.

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[@marcusdamarcus837]

I don't careeeee

[@sullysullivan1187]

I think it’s really good looking. The design does pull on your heartstrings.

[@KevinLaffey]

Nice. Hopefully you'll have a review of the new Formentor PHEV soon.

[@JohnyMcNeal]

1:20, rubber framing is such a turn off on any cars nowdays its unbelievable. I personally don't like the black glossy ones iether but mat rubber fraing looks so cheap and will definitely fade in a matter of years.

[@PlazmaBooy]

Why do they move away from a screen behind the steering wheel, to even larger ones in the center? The screen should only be for the driver, not anyone else. I absolutely love the interior of the Audi TT, because it doesn't have a center screen, only a large one for the driver, purely driver focused car, love it. I absolutely hate this new design, with either a small screen (like here) or none at all, like the Tesla.

[@michaelhansen2309]

Because some automakers think this is what people want because Tesla does it. Tesla also doesnt like buttons, so VW tried to remove as many as possible. But except for Tesla fanboys, noone actually likes this shit.

[@luckyluke95]

Cupra Born on steroids ✌️✌️✌️

[@simong6855]

Still has the touch sensitive buttons on the steering wheel , will they ever learn🤣

[@TheoFennel]

Using old stock from vw. Save money

[@josefv-y8m]

When do you think they started Development? At least 3 to 4 years ago. You cannot simply change the crash result on an steering wheel including an airbag without testing the entire car again...most likely a Facelift in Future can change this as promised by CEO Blume for Future development.

[@benstagdospain]

Great review. I love your attention to detail. I want to replace my Merc EQC. Merc have gone stupid with their prices of electric vehicles. So I think this car would be a great replacement for that price range.

[@autogefuehl]

cheers m8 !

[@TheFlemmo123]

I like that you made the german handsign for 3, its a real thing then. 😅 great video as always, thank you sir. 👍

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 😊

[@trevinormandy14520]

It’s kind of looks like the ŠKODA coupé ENYAQ at least for the rear part, I’m talking about the general shape of the vehicle. It reminds me a lot of the ŠKODA ENYAQ

[@holmbergvalter]

Well it’s based on the same platform after all

[@albertitogsb]

I have already reserved it, it is beautiful

[@sushipooxie6697]

how you reserved it ?

[@michaeln.1567]

I too. Prebooked in September 2023 and will finally sign the order on the 11th of June. Getting the Tavascan VZ in September 2024. Great looking car for me.

[@sushipooxie6697]

@@michaeln.1567you are so lucky! In france, we cant reserve it now. Not available yet :( im still waiting for a drive test

[@michaeln.1567]

@@sushipooxie6697 sad to hear. test driving will be availiable in July 2024 in Austria. But i dont need to drive it - i drove the Enyak RS and think its more or less the same.

[@tommyclarke3225]

Nice Thomas. You were very…impressive I would say 😮. Hope to see more of you

[@ClaudioAguileraMunoz]

I have the Formentor VZ, absolutely amazing vehicle and gorgeous design. Best price/value in sub-premium brands by far.

[@Souljacph]

Whats the name of this color on the Cupra in the video?

[@txaliocat2239]

Nice car, and nice to see Montserrat in the background :-) I hope you enjoyed the landscape too.

[@fr0zn303]

I love the styling of the car. It generally seems like the vw-group is going in the right direction. However for a car that is marketed as „sporty“, I think the poweroutput is just not enough. The only sellingpoint for an EV is in terms of performance is acceleration, and 5.5 seconds is atleast a second, if not 2 too slow, imho. They should add it simply for sales

[@abraxastulammo9940]

0-70 km/h ID4 gtx beats the Y LR tested by teslabjørn according to battery life's dragy result.

[@louishiggins8881]

I'm surprised you don't prefer natural products (cotton, wool and leather) for the interior - rather than plastics based "non-animal" which tends to sweat in the summer 😮.

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@markbennett6658]

@@autogefuehlwow that’s telling him and informed me a bit more on the subject! The quality of synthetic leather and fabrics made from recycled plastics etc has definitely exponentially improved in recent years.

[@BaaLaaN]

Love the presentation. Would be interesting to find out during your driving sessions if the central screen can be turned off completely or put into a "minimal mode" while driving if that makes sense. For example Mazda has a mode on their infotainment screen where you can see only the clock displayed. I know some cars need to have the infotainment screen turned on because of various controls being active like the AC etc. Cheers!

[@josefv-y8m]

Yes, showing a watch only

[@jamesj97370]

If it came with an engine I'd definitely pick one up!

[@s_forch]

Zelda ❤ definitely my favourite video game series of all times. Ocarina of time, majoras mask, twilight princess .. ❤😹 As always: Nice review 🙋🏼‍♂️

[@autogefuehl]

👍😎

[@matthiaskoehler1504]

I hope we'll come to 34" screens soon! That's why I would buy those cars!

[@DaraM73]

The problem with aggressive styling is that it dates very quickly

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Like the Lamborghini Urus? 🤔

[@shroomyesc]

Do you think you guys will be able to get your hands on a KGM Torres EVX any time soon?

[@bluesmartroadster]

Zelda Tears of the Kingdom is a masterpiece. Re the car: Tavascan sounds like something you buy from the chemist…

[@Snaap525]

A rare case where AutotopNL delivered a better review than Autogefuehl

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Thanks for the tip, he gives the Born VZ the "fun" mark of approval, while the MG is just quick. 👍

[@abraxastulammo9940]

9:17 Fun fact: Enyaq Coupe has about 4 cm more distance seat to roof (99 cm vs. 95.1 cm for the Tavascan)

[@DellTah_Gaming]

Would buy if I could get a TSI 150 petrol engine in it, with FWD, the best looking new Cupra. Such a smooth design and details. Their new Leon St and Hatchback look like they missing a "front bumper" with no shield around the grill...

[@Chipnolan6]

Is the infotainment an upgrade from the latest Enyaq version?

[@claustrier]

its MEB version 5.0 or 5.2

[@johannkruschwitz3959]

I really like the flashy interior and exterior that have a real super car vibe. I think the built quality could be improved but still a very good looking car😁

[@Darren_Nicola]

Great review as always , when do you review the new Formentor please ? Thanks

[@sparkyUK]

Did it change lanes without you moving the steering wheel, or was it moving it for you? Didn't appear to move!

[@autogefuehl]

Automatic, repeat the segment to see!

[@lucid.g.88]

Nice design and good performance car is Cupra 😮

[@BroVCam]

Yet another good looking vehicle which we can't get in the States! Thanks and as always, awesome review! ✌🏾❤✊🏾

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks m8!

[@faeinthebay]

It will probably be coming soon, Cupra keeps making it clear they want to set up operations in the US.

[@jimj2683]

Will the come with a non-"coupe" version?

[@Jolusanbo]

Cupra Terramar

[@Kazaril]

Nice looking car but peak charging of 135KWh in 2024 is just ridiculous especially for a "performance" EV. VAG EVs should be updated urgently.

[@4literv6]

Gm, Ford and others have multiple ev model's on the market in 2024 at premium prices with similarly lame charging limits&no frunk. 👍🏻😀

[@zerma6]

The more I look at Chinese car the more I know VW is going down.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

​@@zerma6If made in China it should have the xpeng G9 tech VW invested into. 😜

[@BobBaumeister-g8v]

Must be higher than 135. MEB Plattform, should have same stats like ID4, Enyaq etc, with the good charging curve etc.

[@sunnyd6291]

Yes arm rest is the only issue.haptic buttons you get used to after a while no problem.rear wiper put water repellent spray on

[@autogefuehl]

You sometimes press the haptic buttons unintentional while steering

[@sanderveenman599]

Finally a manufacturer that does not do the "animal free" nonsens. I want nice leather seats and not some fake tofu eaters hemp cloth

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@_petar]

When will competition about EV efficiency, range and technologies start, I have been closely monitoring EV market since more than 10 years and well where are the Tesla killers?

[@rchatte100]

nice car, crazy price!

[@WayApp]

Simply amazing

[@osman_zengin]

Thenk you Autogefühl. It is a rebadged Chinese VW. It is originally Volkswagen ID. UNYX in China. Price is high due to import taxes. ID.5, Enyaq Sport, Q4 Sport and may be even Ford Capri might have better value on price point.

[@Streamerabi]

Looks pretty damn good, but a bit too bussy, especially towards the front lower bumper

[@UmmieXP]

Triforce Zelda comment was cool!

[@PaulMeier-cu3ds]

As ever a great review, thank you. This review came just after you did the €200k Porsche GTS which is clearly a different segment. What absolutely stood out to me on this review is how dreadful a huge iPad looks in €60k of Curpra compared with a discreet 10” display in the Porsche, the much more expensive car. I think infotainment needs to recede into the background where it belongs and Porsche is getting that right while Cupra is not. Otherwise the Cupra is a perfectly competent car which does not excite me especially at €60k.

[@amh313]

Wow that looks nice

[@timjones8837]

We miss the "Leah-ometer" acceleration test!!

[@autogefuehl]

yeah I took my colleague Thomas on this one, Lea is in the Formentor though :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5eQaniYqr51odk

[@Carfan678]

Nice interior

[@maksymtt]

Looks like a Spider-Man car in and out haha 😅 not my favorite design, but it’s nice that the car exists, might appeal the younger audience)

[@karlInSanDiego]

Like the Born , far superior design/style to the VW twin.

[@Natak222]

One of the worst car logo's in the car industry. Such a shame because their car designs are better than many premium brands including BMW and Audi

[@zelcpavle5494]

Yeah agree the should have done something with the letter C to make a logo or i dont know... everything else would be better 😅

[@christianjensen3459]

It's probably the coolest, in my opinion.

[@2Razzv]

it's the coolest by far .. you dumb

[@aser2921]

Вот это конфетка!😍

[@m0les]

Does it have a "whole" glove compartment / glove box? I have a theory they only put the weird half-width ones on the right-hand-drive VW-group EVs - but I can't find any concrete info. Seems like a really telling design flaw reflecting the over all quality of the build, IMHO. ...or... "Dear VW: Take out the sun roof; Put actual tactile buttons on everything; Go back to 4 window toggles for the driver; Make sure the glove box is as wide as the cover over it; Get rid of the giant tablet and integrate the infotainment screen flush into the dashboard"

[@jontyb123]

Looks like a mini Lambo.

[@q3aki]

sorry to say for VW - but their cars are lookin outdated from the start when they're standing next to new CUPRA or SKODA.

[@jonpetter8921]

That s what makes them popular

[@ClarionCaww]

VW at the same time age better

[@Trinet-TA]

Like the look of these (previous Cupra R owner), but the price and the fact it’s built in China is a total no for me. SEAT always used to sell on price, I don’t see any reason to buy this when you can get an ID4/5 for less. Cupra itself doesn’t have any perceived cachet as a brand.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Maybe you can get a 20 % discount? 🤔

[@Ultra-UltraAslan]

Looks pretty good, but I still think the Enyaq coupe looks better.

[@willielarsson9651]

You lost me when you point out the hard plastic door trim... lazy cost cutting. Volvo ec40 for me.

[@RandomYoutuber234]

So less efficient, less range and a higher price. Interesting

[@evo5dave]

I just had an ID4 as a courtesy car and would never buy a car with such a bare, grim interior. Whilst the Cupra interior shares a lot with the ID4 it's leagues better.

[@wezzman1]

£60k?! These car prices are out of pocket for that build quality.

[@RIZFERD]

Poor you

[@wezzman1]

@@RIZFERD thanks for the sympathy but I'm all good mate, GLC premium 300 and and 235i runaround on our drive. Simply commenting on a 60k seat 🤷🏽‍♂️😂 which is wild.

[@1979SFC]

there are some things that hold me from getting it. no real bottons on the steering wheel. blindspot in the side mirror. cheep plastic and no beeing able to open the sun roof. Ill keep my fornemtor..

[@oldschoolmk7056]

That pillar below the infotainment looks awfully unnecessary and just prevents you from accessing the USB ports easily. Really bad design choice.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Reminds me a bit of the Polestar 2.

[@erdbeerfeldheld007]

Wie immer super Bericht, für mich allerdings ein no go ist die Produktion in China, daher immer nur id5, enyak oder q4 etron! Sehe smart und Volvo ebenso kritisch! Auch BMW muss man mittlerweile genau schauen, der Mini e fällt nun auch raus, Einheitsbrei aus China. Great Wall (ora) hat wohl derzeit schon Riesenprobleme, alle Mitarbeiter in Europa werden entlassen, Europazentrale in München geschlossen ... Und da wird noch einiges mehr aus China kommen!☹️ Das wäre doch auch mal ein Thema hier!

[@monsieurb90]

Achtung, der Volvo EX40 (ehemals XC40) wird auch in der Elektro-Version für Europa in Belgien (Gent) produziert. Man muss also immer genau schauen welches Modell wo gebaut wird, wenn man darauf Wert legt. Der EX30 kommt hingegen aus China.

[@autogefuehl]

Danke dir! Kann ich verstehen!

[@erdbeerfeldheld007]

@@monsieurb90 das ist dann sicher ok, trotzdem sehe ich Volvo sehr kritisch, untersteht einem chinesischen Konzern und damit dem direkten Zugriff des Regimes! Da ist leider für mich nichts mehr schwedisch.. ☹️

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Mal sehen wie das wird, wenn die Zölle kommen...

[@jiikoo2000]

Thanks Thomas, I love details, otherwise it’s impossible to know like what the materials are, if the soft surfaces and so on. So keep them coming. Imho this Cupra looks like mini Urus. Somehow I wonder sluggish performance figures even in sportier brand Cupra and other VW Group EVs. I have Volvo C40 Twin and compared to performance of 408 hp and 4,7 s 0-100 km/h. It is needed when you have somebody first time in the EV and his is nagging about no proper engine this vehicle, then just push the pedal to the metal and they are immediately impressed. 😂😂

[@Vahndamme]

Gotta be insane to buy this tbh... I don't care if it drives superb , just the run down from the exterior and interior is a big let down. The design was good but if you want practical, there are way better options, if you want sportier, there are way better options, if you want premium.. again there are way better options. If you want all 3 of those, there are also better options.. 😅

[@sinemcelik2161]

Logo looks like gamer pc

[@TheoFennel]

Reminds me of the Lotus Electra

[@Treefinger1]

Wo ist der deutsche Kanal?

[@tjallaballa]

It seems to me that all these new cars have to offer are gimmicks and design for the sake of design. This is for me not what a car should be about, im not impressed.

[@NoshikiYT]

Amazing car

[@garyharding394]

Excellent review, arm rest too far away is a game changer for me... So it's a no from me thanks 😢

[@autogefuehl]

cheers !

[@DS-pk4eh]

How much is Tesla model Y performance in Germany? Cupra looks much better but everything else...

[@amh313]

Inside its like Predator's car. Outside a bit too.

[@RoaldvBl]

If only the Cupra batch weren’t so ugly, I could actually consider one…

[@IvandelMuntSoler]

I would have loved to see those seats more in detail. They look very cheal.

[@redrebelsheep6303]

zelda reference 🎉

[@BlackHavoc]

Real leather? Don't mind if I do! :)

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@thomasj1148]

5.5 seconds a bit slow for an EV in my opinion. Should be sub 4 seconds. Any faster versions coming?

[@QuiCestQuiÇa]

Fast enough for people to think they're driving a sport car until the first turn...

[@michaelhansen2309]

It's more than enough. Why do you need faster acceleration? EVs burns through their tyres a lot quicker than normal cars because of this, and they ain't exactly cheap small tyres either.

[@michaelpapaioannou8921]

Drum brakes at the rear?? What a joke! 👎 Thank God that WAG couldn’t buy Alfa Romeo!

[@iain8837]

The rear motor is the brake in the rear, hardly needs rear brakes at all.

[@michaelpapaioannou8921]

@@iain8837 so for you, all other manifacturers of EVs must be stupid to put disk brakes in the rear wheels. Even on EVs with less performance than the Tavaskan.

[@iain8837]

@@michaelpapaioannou8921 I don't understand, higher performance cars use drum brakes on the rear, bigger, heavier cars, like Audi, use them. 90% of braking comes from regen, when the physical brakes are used (rarely) then most braking is from the front. The braking force and distance is not affected at all, drum brakes are cheaper too. Why put something there that isn't needed, ask many Tesla owners who need to replace rear discs as they are corroded and warped from lack of use. Even front brakes need to be consciously used, by stamping on the brakes from time to time, or putting the car in neutral to make sure the front brakes are used. Sounds like you don't know much about EV's.

[@michaelpapaioannou8921]

Of course it's a cheaper solution. Only VAG cars use drum brakes on expensive models. Volkswagen and Audi cheap out as usual. All other manufacturers use disks on the back too. See electric cars from Tesla, Mercedes, Korean and French brands

[@iain8837]

@@michaelpapaioannou8921 So tell me, what are the negative points of having rear drums? You can google the positives, it's quite a big list.

[@rasmusansin3273]

Capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and no volume knob. Nope, unbuyable.

[@zelcpavle5494]

Its neither german built nor spanish....its made in China and price 50.000€ Aaaa nooo thank you😅 And to Edit it...will wait when Byd, Xpeng,Nio make something like this with half the price 💪

[@dzonikg]

I am interested are this Europe EVs build in China subject to import tariffs or excluded?

[@zelcpavle5494]

@@dzonikg dont know

[@UhOhUmm]

German and Spanish design and support, it's just made in China and the price is reasonable for a performance focused EV, not to mention the heavy discounts since no one is buying EVs. You can compare it to Model Y and it's pretty competitive.

[@alfrredd]

It's designed in Spain and built in China, the parent company is German. So it's a mix of 3, you wouldn't say the iphone is a chinese product just because it's built there.

[@zelcpavle5494]

@@alfrredd i am going to wait when BYD ,Xpeng and Nio bring something like this.car.to Europe for half the price

[@MICHGO1]

THE MASSIVE BUMPER ON THIS IS WORSE THAN THE VW'S.

[@Jeorgy92]

They should offer an option to get rid of all the awful copper stuff, it makes it look like a car for thugs/punks

[@thiagolima5232]

cupra is vw hot

[@melluzi]

All EV and all VAG issues combined. Quite a shady choice. Had VZ Cupra before, definitely nothing luxury there. Unless being surrounded by billion of LEDs is how one understands luxury.

[@dimitrisp5085]

It's better to have animal skin than those lousy fabrics or imitations of leather Thomas. I for one always chose real leather for both clothes and interior of the car and will continue to do so as long as it's allowed 🙂

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@dimitrisp5085]

Dear Thomas, I completely disagree. I for one find extremely cheap the leatherette in both clothing and seats and prefer real animal skin. You talk about efficiency and sustainability but I only care about the sensation of the surface when I am putting my hard earned money to the counter. The same applies to clothing where animal skin (especially soft leather) is amazing in contrast to leatherette. I already have like 10-15 leather jackets and will continue to buy them as they are far superior than leatherette in both the way the look and the way they feel. I also prefer gasoline cars to EVs as they make a noise, you change gears yourself etc. As I customer I have the right to choose what I want to do with my money so the discussion could really end there. Trust me (and I believe you know it too), there is a real difference in excellent quality animal skin and all those fake ones, even if they are good quality alternatives, “sustainable” etc. Animal skin should be offered in all cars and it should be up to the customer to decide if they want to proceed with cloth, fake suede, leather, imitation of leather or whatever. Removing the option is something I don't agree with, and having those limitations on what I can choose from the manufacturer of the car who is trying to “green wash” everything is even worse, but I can always fit aftermarket ones although the question is if the quality will be as good as the factory option. Regarding “sustainability” if you really believe there is a way to stop the climate downfall, you are fooling yourself. The planet is done, it is just a matter of time. We cannot save it, we cannot “guilt” our way out of this by "changing our ways" and “recycling more” or “stop consuming meat”. It will be uninhabitable in the next decades for many areas of the world so all this effort is to make us sleep well and feel better about ourselves, not to really make a difference. In addition regarding meat, I do not find it a “misuse”and I have no ethical reservations whatsoever in consuming it and I really enjoy barbecues frequently. No one can guilt me honestly as I am not doing something illegal. As long as meat consumption or using leather products is legal, I have no reservations about doing so. It’s up to the state to make frequent checks whether these facilities are following rules and guidelines that have been set, not mine. The whole ethical discussion really has no point as different people have different point of views. Only the law matters, which is clear, definitive and applies to everyone. Since there is nothing illegal in doing so, I plan to proceed as I have done. Thanks again for the reply.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks for the discussion. I recommend putting dogs in the place of cows and then re-think the ethical debate. It's just a cultural thing. Our culture tells us that cows are commodities and dogs are our friends and we care about them. It's random. Makes ethically no difference to eat dogs, cats, pigs, cows. That's why I ask people to make up their own mind if they would cut the throat of a cow, peel the skin and put it on a car seat. With modern technology, you can have the very same feeling on the seat without the animals involved. You just need to proper quality. Maybe you have seen shit leatherette quality so far, visit a BMW dealer and as for a BMW 7 Series, BMW X7 or BMW X5 and the Sensafin/Veganza material - no one could tell it is not the 10.000 Euro extra Poltrana Frau animal equipment.

[@taomahNEGEV]

Way too flashy. The ID 4 wins here for me. Still not even close to the brilliant The Smart#3.

[@Danne89]

Embarassing for VW that Skoda and Cupra/Seat make better looking cars. VW EV's look very bland. :(

[@josefv-y8m]

No, VWs are most cases timeless ....check the Golf 4, which still looks not antique after 30 Years of Development. For me any Seat, Cupra looks interesting at the first view, but boring after 6 month only.

[@iwearleatherjackets1]

Can we stop calling oversized hatchbacks “SUVs?”

[@jlampe64]

I really do not understand what kind of idiots are trying the same thing over and over again? No haptic buttons are bullshit. Why don't they listen to their potential clients and reviewers, to spare a few Euros and the car price is over the 50k? #CommonSenseIsWeakWithTheseOnes