Custom Shower Pan | Master Bath Remodel (Part 3)

[@handydadtv]

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[@martykroenecke4273]

Wow, I've been around plumbing my whole life and never ran into big copper drain pipe like that. You did great at connecting the drain to it!

[@handydadtv]

Thanks 😊

[@gatoborracho4572]

Bob is the teacher here...good to see somebody following his advice and actually doing it ...very good 👍

[@handydadtv]

Yes indeed 👍🏻

[@jimgraham4355]

I learned a lot from Star Tile. Need to shore up some water damage issues, toilet, old shower enclosure leaked, fun fun. great job

[@handydadtv]

Thanks. Bob knows his stuff.

[@cutweldngrind]

6th video I see today and you are the first to apply the red seal over the bottom concrete. I have 2 restrooms to remodel which include cutting the concrete floor to install new drain pipes. Awesome video.

[@handydadtv]

Thanks. Some say it was a mistake to Redgard the shower pan. I’m no expert so you need to decide for yourself.

[@MAGAMAN]

@@handydadtv If it's done right, you don't need it. I pulled out a 50 year old shower and tile tub surround and neither of them had any leaks. People use all this really expensive new crap and it tends to cause more problems than it solves.

[@handydadtv]

Yeah my original shower was tile on 3/8” drywall with no waterproofing. And it lasted nearly 50 years before I replaced it.

[@jessesanchez5294]

Finally someone that shows how to setup the piping for the water out. Thanks!

[@robertvillegas7472]

You always pre slope floor before pan liner! If not saturated water from float won’t reach weep holes. Also use masonry block for shower Dam step over

[@handydadtv]

Thanks

[@GriftinGuruhunter]

Hats off to you my man! On your next endeavor, consider installing schluters troba mat underneath the mud bed and Don't red gaurd on the mud bed. This way when water inevitable breach's your tile and grout the mud will wick moisture to the troba mat and send any water on its way to the weep holes of the drain . Red Gaurd is an amazing liquid membrane and thats exactly why it should only be applied on walls and ceilings. That said, ask yourself, where is the water going to go when it breachs your tile and grout when theres a liquid membrane directly underneath them?. The answer is in your Thin Set. Remember, the flange of your drain is positioned at the height of your tile which is above the mud base covered in red gaurd. Any trapped water, over time will wreak havoc on the bonding thin set as it relates to the bonding of the tile to the red gaurd. Otherwise, Rock On my fellow Countrymen!!!!!! Your Kicking It!!!

[@taxicamel]

Exactly. It is one thing to install a system properly ....it becomes another thing when "alleged improvements" are done during an installation without thinking of the possible consequences IF/WHEN a failure occurs somewhere. Unfortunately there are a lot of people on this planet who really do think they can do something better ....and they simply can't resist telling the rest of the world. That's the downside of many KZbin posters. .

[@dianeherrera2871]

Enjoyed your video and all the pointers. I am having my bath room done and will be sure that we do all the steps you showed us. Thank you!

[@handydadtv]

Good luck with that. If you’re using a pro, he won’t want you telling him what to do. 😉

[@robertfoster2477]

This is an awesome series of videos so far. Very informative, as always! Thank you so much.

[@tttttttyger1662]

Clear, awesome, smart video !!!! Thanks. super useful ✨😎✨

[@lizzapaolia959]

Looks good. Nice to see someone who does nice work. Way to many sloppy handymen or whatever you want to call them. Looks great!

[@handydadtv]

Thanks

[@jeffdana9402]

"There is no way that this shower ever leaks" = self curse, haha. I hope that you are enjoying leak free showers!! Thanks for the great vid.

[@handydadtv]

Lol I should have knocked on wood, for sure.

[@FromTheHood2TheWoods]

Now that’s what I had in mind thank you. A lot of videos of people doing it in ways I was totally unfamiliar with

[@handydadtv]

I recommend watching StarrTile. He’s the expert, not me.

[@paulrodriguez1282]

That's ingenious using the Dremel!!! LOL 😆😆

[@handydadtv]

Thanks 😊

[@DanielRamirez-os1bg]

Thanks will try this method

[@handydadtv]

👍🏻

[@frog9908]

“ it’s never gonna leak.” Famous last words of bath remodels 🤔!

[@handydadtv]

I knocked on wood

[@TheRealNisu]

I was up till 6am watching starrtile....one thing i definitely remember was him saying "idk why people put extra material under the shower pan"... I was considering durock under the pan...but changed my mind after ST said no....But looks good....

[@handydadtv]

I needed to do something to raise the floor because I couldn’t go any lower on the drain.

[@mram7715]

Right at about 4 mins, I thought to myself, would bob approve of the backer board? U then answered my question..... great job sir 👍🏽

[@handydadtv]

Thanks

[@piercecushenbery5876]

Cool man thanks for the share

[@handydadtv]

You bet

[@SH-rm4gw]

You can view startiles info video. Lol. He gives a demo in his bedroom using a foam boar to simulate the shower floor, dry thin set powder to simulate pre slope and a garbage bag to simulate the shower liner. Lol. Look around his bedroom. Full of buckets , maybe old paint, general construction materials and garbage. If that sounds like someone you think you can learn from , good luck to yah. Lol

[@StarrTile]

Interesting statement 😂 I love how trolls on KZbin think they know everything about everything and don't know shyt💩 I'm not going to take alot of time with your silly asinine remarks, but I will say this, that was not my bedroom that was at a customer's house... and I don't know what the products you were talking about for my test but further in the video you see where I literally poured water onto the pan surface and absorb like a sponge, you're not too bright are you? 😂😂😂 Book soldiers like Sal and Isaac Ostrom will always do things by the book because I can't think outside of the box or do anything on their own without reading it, if you fall in that category then you've lost any sense of intelligence with me 👍👌✌💪 But I will make you an offer, I will literally PayPal you $1,000 if you find any failure over the course of my 23 years, even a bad review... It is extremely doubtful you will take that bet because trolls just like to be keyboard warriors... C'mon, man up, don't be a 🐱 p***y

[@StarrTile]

Great job buddy, and I appreciate the shout out !

[@larryyang6140]

When you are remodeling the shower room , do they need inspection?Thank you

[@handydadtv]

Yes

[@walkingmeme8490]

What kind of concrete do you use? I’m doing my shower pan and I used quick Crete and it’s not going to good😂

[@handydadtv]

Mortar mix

[@ShawnMtz_78]

Cool...but bob shoulda advised you about the pre slope before and under the pan...good job though

[@handydadtv]

If you knew Bob, you’d know his thoughts on preslopes.

[@Tako2e]

Bob is the best🤙🏽

[@Apexjasonmorganllc]

Bs

[@renaissancemen1]

Your autocorrect changed “worst” to “best”.

[@markmurto]

Sarcasm, I thought the KZbin police deleated fake news! Unfortunately I watched a lot of Stat Tile videos and found his mistakes and finish work kind of average. Preslope! No screws in the curb. Wow. So obvious.

[@StarrTile]

@@Apexjasonmorganllc Wow you troll everybody's comment don't you 😂 What a true puuuuuuusi 🐱

[@StarrTile]

​@@renaissancemen1butthurt crybaby with no content and no common sense 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DerekandCourtney]

I did the sand topping mix first and then put the shower liner down and then the mortar mix. This way is wayyyy easier in my opinion. I’m going to try to put cement board down then the liner and then the mortar.

[@handydadtv]

I really used the cement board because the drain was higher than the subfloor so I needed to raise the floor.

[@DerekandCourtney]

@@handydadtv yeah that’s still easier then making a sand topping layer and then the mortar layer

[@handydadtv]

Most definitely

[@richardmckrell4899]

Did you forget the pre-slope under the liner?

[@handydadtv]

I used two liners. I topped the concrete with Redgard. That’s the true liner. This one is just a backup.

[@Tacompton425]

Looks like you created a mold sandwich. How is shower pan preforming? I grout on pan showing any signs of discolorization?

[@handydadtv]

Nope. Looks great.

[@FromTheHood2TheWoods]

The thinset will stick to the red guard?

[@Trucker-Belly]

You blocked the weep holes with the liner! What type of mud did you use for the pan? I can tell the pan got a little out of hand. Use dry pack next time. So far so good!

[@tonyjin7]

What size is your copper pipe? Mine is 2 inches and I'm having trouble figuring out what size pvc to put into the shower flange. 2 inch is too large to fit bit 1.5 inch seems too small. Thanks for your help!

[@texasunderground8478]

Thanks

[@handydadtv]

Welcome

[@TheBibleisArt]

So there’s no problem using cement board for the underlayment instead of mortar mix?

[@handydadtv]

I used cement board. Worked fine.

[@remodelingjames]

Are you worried about the hydrostatic pressure under the tile shall a grout joint ever open up and leak , I thought that the pan was designed if ever leaked it would seap through the mud slowly and onto the liner ? I am conflicted because I did this once and apparently you’re not supposed to but then again what would be the difference to a pre made shower pan I asked.

[@handydadtv]

Opinions abound on this project. Just read through the comments. I’d love to be able to review these methods in 20 years to say how well it held up or not, but I’ve sold that house and moved.

[@georgegrigoras4874]

Your Panliner is not sloped to the drain. You have to preslope your liner too, not just the tile. I know that Bob is against the presloping the liner, since I was arguing with him a few times, but sometimes you have to check with more experts.

[@elcoyotecojodeldesierto2300]

It's a code you have to preslope the shower floor before setting the liner.

[@StarrTile]

@George And what exactly makes an expert? In my mind 23 years and not one failure pretty much makes me one, but if you're talking about book soldiers then you're right, I'm not an expert, I actually think for myself 💪 I will say this, after Chris called me and I consulted with him I gave him every possible answer whether I agree with it or not, I told him about pre-slope and told him why I didn't believe in it and he had a choice to do it and decided not to, so your assumption that he followed my way to the letter because he didn't know any better is incorrect. I highly suggest that you know all the facts before you decide to troll somebody else's channel on somebody else's comment thread

[@StarrTile]

@@elcoyotecojodeldesierto2300 100% incorrect, it is not code where I live 👍👌

[@HEATHERWOODCHULAVISTA]

Do you think a bypass can be installed in case Moen U totally malfunctions?

[@handydadtv]

I suppose so, but never thought about it. I had a second shower I could use if this one was waiting for repair. But I can imagine your concern if it’s your only shower.

[@dj2000lbs]

Hey I was wondering how the shower is doing? Have you heard of a mortar sandwich? In theory the moister from the cement gets trapped cause the red guard is on top of it and obviously you have the pan liner underneath so moister from the cement gets trapped inside..... Have you had any issues? I did the same thing with red guard ontop of the shower pan I waited about 7 days 1st so the pan was extremely dry but What do you think????

[@handydadtv]

Mine’s fine

[@dj2000lbs]

@@handydadtv mines fi too only been a few months... should I do it again?

[@5molotok5]

what happened to slope that has to be done before the rubber liner is placed ?

[@handydadtv]

StarrTile proved it does nothing.

[@jeffreyspatola2930]

You can put mud, grote and tile over the redgard now?

[@handydadtv]

Now? You always could. Redgard alone can be used as a shower pan liner.

[@magenlease3301]

(no thinset under concrete board,What stops it from shifting, screws in concrete board.) No slop under liner ,how could water drain Red coat .sure thinset sticks fine , unclog holes if blocked Hardybacker or cement board on walls, never drywall in a shower .the red coat is a sealer , Not your only line of defense

[@handydadtv]

I linked videos in the description that show why these methods are effective.

[@littleche76]

I wouldn't recommend redguard all on the shower pan. Just put redguard around edge only couple inch. If u cover it everywhere on the floor. U know by the time water goes underneath and won't breath and mold will grow will start smelling. U already have membrane underneath. That's enough for waterproofing. Just saying

[@bradlycallaghan7208]

Did u put durock down before your pan liner? Is there a reason why. Doing a shower now and about to start pan liner. Thanks

[@handydadtv]

Yes I installed a layer of Durock primarily because of my drain height. I couldn’t make it any lower, so I needed to raise the pan liner to meet it.

[@bradlycallaghan7208]

Thanks. Great videos.

[@etile540]

@@handydadtv idiot!!

[@robertbrading350]

How much did this cost you all in materials

[@handydadtv]

I think around $4-5,000 in 2018.

[@kylehomewood3169]

so when puting in a shower pan on sub floor u remove the top layer of plywood and build on just the first layer

[@handydadtv]

I don’t build on the subfloor. I add a layer of underlayment.

[@kylehomewood3169]

@@handydadtv thank for the feed back buddy. So do u run your 2nd layer then build ur curb on top of than and ur liner?

[@kylehomewood3169]

I've looked for a video on this and have not found anything. Enjoy ur videos and if u have one on it plzz share the link!!!!

[@handydadtv]

I built the curb directly on the subfloor (attached to joists). I put cement board underlayment in the shower, then liner, than mortar, then Redgard. I’m not a pro. I followed StarrTile’s methods. He’s the pro. Please watch his video kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnakl6x4jtuCg8U. He’s very approachable. A great guy. Even got on the phone with me.

[@lacimoore2618]

Do you think a shower like this would hold up in a bus conversion?

[@handydadtv]

I would recommend a fiberglass base and acrylic walls in an RV.

[@lacimoore2618]

HandyDadTV do you know if any good place to order custom size?

[@handydadtv]

Contact one of the KZbinrs who have videos on bus conversions. There are plenty. They’ll probably share their sources.

[@artmonrro6665]

I feel like I need to watch more in this video 😏

[@handydadtv]

Watch the whole series!

[@fredobermyer3467]

You need preslope under panliner.

[@handydadtv]

Watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnakl6x4jtuCg8U

[@friendlyneighborhoodtileguy]

Pan liner installed wrong. Of course, Starr does it wrong, so no surprise there.

[@MD-tb6eh]

Not only that but he throws a membrane over the whole pan. Whats the point of using a water in water out system if hes going to throw a liquid membrane over the entire pan. Hes locking moisture under the membrane and inside the pan.

[@friendlyneighborhoodtileguy]

I’ll confess, I didn’t watch it all. I stopped watching when the liner was being installed. I would have definitely commented on the moisture sandwich aspect. High probability of mold between the liner and liquid (assuming the liquid is applied thick enough).

[@mifamilia4564]

I REALLY REALLY wish MD/EJ responds to my comment I'm right at the point of laying my liner. (My house has concrete foundation) BUT, I've seen about 8 videos this morning and more in the past month, and even though there's always going to be them "negative comments " around, I'd really like to ask - What is the correct way to do it??? Can someone PLEASE HELP... Being that NOBODY here on KZbin knows how to install a liner correctly.... Thank you for any help/suggestions ...

[@friendlyneighborhoodtileguy]

Mi Familia Insyalling a liner correctly has the most steps that must be completed in order for it to be successful. If possible, I would recommend a sealed shower with Schluter or a paint on waterproofing like Hydroban. If a liner is what you’re after, look for videos with Sal Diblasi. I know how to install a liner, but it’s not a system I use for my customers showers.

[@friendlyneighborhoodtileguy]

Mi Familia Hope that was a quick enough reply :)

[@johnmartens3754]

You need a pre slope for water to run away

[@handydadtv]

That myth was busted kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmetnGCOp9KDhpo

[@theamericanhandyman3213]

If I was you I wanna be listened to Bob

[@handydadtv]

???

[@theamericanhandyman3213]

@@handydadtv construction is mostly common sense

[@theamericanhandyman3213]

@@handydadtv in construction the state that you're in always have a method to how they want a service done but nowadays instead of people learning the right way they tend to follow other people

[@MrWuzup23]

Hi, your videos have helped me a lot. I have a question. what’s the gap from the Sheetrock to the floor. I have been reading that the sheet rock should not go directly on the floor. Not sure about how much of a gap.

[@handydadtv]

I used a scrap of drywall as a shim, so about a half inch above the mortar bed.

[@MrWuzup23]

HandyDadTV thanks for your help, I have learned a lot from your videos, I’m converting a tub to shower and I’m using the Moen u system as well

[@cagaleched3459]

Give us an update, how many leaks do you have?

[@handydadtv]

None at all.

[@StarrTile]

And 4 years after Caglechild asked you this stupid question, still no leaks I bet 😂😂😂

[@SuperJimmyBennett]

missing that pre slope it seems ..thats code min 1/4 inch drop every inch

[@richardodean5850]

Jimmy Bennett amazing catch, that there what he is doing is not by code...

[@etile540]

@@richardodean5850 he doesn't know any better and will not change since he knows everything. tool bad for those who believe him. so so sad

[@AMADINHOS]

By inch or by foot?

[@charlesseawell6563]

What size is your liner? To cover the sides, floor and my curb I need something like 7 x 8 feet for a 5 x 7 shower. Thanks!

[@handydadtv]

My liner was 5x7.

[@gregoriomayancela3674]

good job

[@mvoltz]

Quick question for you, what type of Fasteners did you use for the plastic liner

[@handydadtv]

Drywall screws

[@handydadtv]

But they are driven higher than the curb height.

[@mvoltz]

thanks for the reply, was curious if rusting out was a problem with higher humidities.

[@handydadtv]

The wallboard holds it up too. And once the mortar is down, it’s not going anywhere anyway.

[@kentdelahay2336]

Looks like Bob forgot to teach you the art of pre-slope. You will now have hidden stagnant water below the floor tile.

[@handydadtv]

Bob proved it doesn’t matter.

[@StarrTile]

@kentdelahay2336 Pre- slopes are irrelevant with a sealed system. If you are still doing a pre-slope or think one is necessary with this type of system then you are way way behind the times and have no business making comments

[@kentdelahay2336]

@@StarrTile Talk about being behind the times, it took you 5 months to comment on my comment

[@StarrTile]

@kentdelahay2336 I don't go around searching for people who drop my name in their video but it came on my feed 6 years later so don't feel bad about 5 months. Put the comment still stands, if you are still doing a pre-slope when everybody is doing sealed systems then you were actually behind the time and not me.

[@kentdelahay2336]

@@StarrTile Im doing preslope first then sealed system. Preslope just prevents water from stagnating and eroding the hidden mortar

[@alexbenitez9917]

Did you install cement board over pan liner at the bottom?

[@handydadtv]

Yes... kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5TEkoeHe7NnkMk

[@josmichael]

I love your video! Thanks for posting. Quick question, how far off the ground did you hang your cement board? Does it touch the deck mud? Also, how did you fasten it to the studs on the bottom without having to screw through the liner? Thanks again!

[@handydadtv]

The backer board doesn’t need to be far off the mortar; it just can’t be touching otherwise water will wick up into it and tiles will come loose. You can screw through the liner, just not below the level of the curb. That way, water would overflow the curb before reaching those screws. But if water overflows the curb, you’ve got bigger issues.

[@MC-uq2uw]

What is it with people posting incorrect ways to do shower liners?

[@kingkingking8583]

I think pre slope is a waste of motar i would like to see two people who pre slope and dont pre slope explain it and see who makes the most sense.you have liner down then you redguard the final work of motar then comes thinset someone tell me how much water is going to pass through all that STUFF.

[@etile540]

@@kingkingking8583 damn, man, think !!!!!! once that water gets to the unsloped liner it will sit there and grow funk and get so frigging nasty. I have had customers call me that their whole house smells like mold when you come in thew front door. And the source is the shower floor. Don't tell me to explain what the manufacturer and the codes require. Just learn proper techniques and do it.

[@StarrTile]

​@@etile540I wonder if you look as stupid as you actually sound when you made this comment 3 years ago... now everybody is doing a sealed system the same way that is shown here which I started doing way before that became a term, so now your comment looks really dumb considering today's technology😂😂😂😂

[@teirbriggs2278]

Who was the other man you said you watched a lot of his videos that you learnt from?

[@handydadtv]

StarrTile

[@elosoamorosoamoroso8188]

Bob the builder 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@jasonhw6428]

You didn't pre slope the pan prior to installing the membrane.

[@handydadtv]

Nope and it’s fine

[@jasonhw6428]

@@handydadtv 👍 still a nice job!

[@Znate80]

Don’t redgard the deck slope. That is what the membrane underneath is for. You just defeated the purpose of the weep holes in the drain.

[@StarrTile]

A pre-slope and weep holes are as Antiquated as a payphone... as everybody is doing a sealed system now which is what I started 7 or 8 years ago don't you feel stupid about this comment from 3 years ago😂😂😂😂😂

[@masonlovesroblox]

I’ve watched a few Starr Tile videos. His videos could be much more succinct if he wasn’t such a talkative guy. Other than that, I have picked up some tops from him. I disagree with his stance on having no pre pitch. As a pilot, I strongly believe in redundancy and secondary, fail safe measures. Maybe it’s just me. It is pretty cool he provides one on one coaching/tech support to his subscribers. More KZbin content creators should do that!

[@handydadtv]

Bob was a good mentor during this project, although many people disagree with his practices.

[@joshbryant7363]

No pre slope...red guard on the mud bed...😂🙄

[@JJ-rf7dg]

Do you need a permit to build a shower pan?

[@handydadtv]

It depends on where you live, but I got a building permit and inspections.

[@tylertomczak5967]

Where does the water go that gets to the red guarded pan go?

[@handydadtv]

Down the drain

[@tylertomczak5967]

@@handydadtv isnt the top of the drain higher than the pan, the same height as the top of the tile though?

[@MAGAMAN]

You probably jinxed yourself by saying it was never going to leak.

[@handydadtv]

Didn’t jinx me. I moved.

[@jeremi7214]

What type of mortar mix did you use?

[@handydadtv]

Sand mix. No gravel.

[@ellevee447]

I sure hope that's cement board on the wall and not drywall or greenboard!

[@handydadtv]

I use 1/2” green board and Redgard. The original tile was directly adhered to 3/8” drywall and it lasted 50 years (and still no leaks). Don’t bother criticizing. You do you.

[@marks9949]

You were close to getting it right...except you did a lot wrong. If water EVER does penetrate through to your liner, then it’s going to sit there, get stagnant, and rot everything out because you didn’t slope the liner itself towards the drain. On top of that, you redguarded the concrete bed. Water will ALWAYS penetrate tile and grout but now it’s going to get stuck in between your tile and that redguard. You have two moisture sandwiches. Jeez

[@StarrTile]

The water is going to get stuck Bahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂 Man I guess it's true Common Sense isn't common

[@pandapanda8354]

Mark S I thought this same thing! But I dug into his method bc I was like you- I was going “wtf is going on here???”. What I read up on in our code book is ANSI approves RedGard alone as a pan liner! No fooling. If it’s spread at 38mils (dry) then it’s an approved pan liner. They have a diagram of a cross section that explained it all. The water always penetrates the grout like you said, but the redgard is on a slope so it allows that water to get to that drain hole. The water doesn’t get stuck unless the screed wasn’t smooth over the slope. The secondary barrier he used below the slope would be redundant IF his redgard was 38 mils and no pinholes. So based on ANSI, seems like he’s on code with respect to redgard as his pan liner if he’s at approved mil thickness. He’s basically done a redundant liner then pre slope then redgard as pan liner then mortar as slope then tile then grout. After I read up on it, I understood what was going on. I wouldn’t have known this was code, but I suppose the redgard/aqua defense people probably pushed for their liquids to be approved. 🤷‍♂️

[@kingkingking8583]

@@pandapanda8354 who wrote the code book people could write anything and people will follow you could up with something and if it sounds good people would think your right all this stuff come from prople with there ownideas of doing things they put it out there and people go by what they say it becomes apart of the system.

[@etile540]

yep

[@StarrTile]

@marks9949 It's nice that you have to eat Humble Pie going forward 4 years later when everybody out there is doing a sealed system which is exactly what this is, not only is there no problem with that but now NTCNA approves it... yet I was doing the same thing 7 or 8 years ago😂😂😂😂

[@juventinohernandez7613]

No pre slope¿

[@handydadtv]

I coated the whole sloped shower pan with Redgard so I didn't bother with another preslope under the bottom liner. It's just a secondary precaution.

[@markmurto]

You will always have wet mouldy smells in your shower in a few years. Preslope is a must. You were mislead. Sorry.

[@StarrTile]

​@@markmurtoyou are 110% wrong, it's interesting to me that now 4 years later everybody does a sealed system whereas I started doing at 7 or 8 years ago. A pre-slope is as irrelevant as a payphone

[@renaissancemen1]

That’s a shame. I stopped watching after you didn’t use a pre slope. I see Bob is still out there preaching and now charging for his mis information.

[@allengilby3054]

Renaissance Man yep I scrolled down to comments right when I saw no pre-slope, you beat me to it.

[@markmurto]

Gotta agree. Once I saw no pre-slope, I didn't have to be told that it was a Doyle style. What a shame he tought this guy wrong.

[@DrugsAreBadUmmmKay]

It's a shame that you stopped watching that soon because very soon after you stopped watching, he fastened his "waterproof" membrane to the walls with screws... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤯🤯🤯🚿🛁🏹🏹🏹💧💧🌊🌊🌊🏚🏚🏚🏚

[@etile540]

this guy at Starr Tile is a mis information master. He and all his followers do not understand the way water works under the shower floor . Plus he will never admit that his knowledge is flawed. Therefore, I will always be tearing out shower floor which are very invasive and expensive to the poor unsuspecting homeowner. So sad that these nonprofessionals refuse to learn proper techniques. Even in this video there are so many point of failure. such a shame. Please, guys, do not do it this way !!!!!!!!!!

[@StarrTile]

@@etile540 I will make you this bet, find any failure that I have ever done online or otherwise, even a bad review over 23 years anywhere on the internet and I will pay you $1,000 !! My bet is you won't take the bet because a troll is still just a troll, just like Renaissance Man that started this thread, he was blocked years ago because his disgusting Behavior, but I will go one step further and invite him or yourself to a live stream, that way either one of you can man up and actually talk about me to my face with an audience, rather than trolling somebody else's Channel talking smack about me like women do on soap operas 😂

[@reyesgarcia244]

No pre.eslope?🤔

[@ghostsofwar1]

What kind of screws did you use on the shower pan liner?

[@handydadtv]

Drywall screws

[@ghostsofwar1]

@@handydadtv thank you.

[@tonyfazzone7397]

@John Smith o man drywall screws lol... those will rust away

[@WondercapCompany]

Hi HandyDadTV! Very interested in collaborating!

[@speedy63663]

horrible. pan liner on wood? no slope? then redgard ontop?? why not throw a fiberglass pan ontop of it all for good measure?

[@abd4malik]

He pitched it..

[@johnruger5372]

understand the concept of water tight

[@StarrTile]

@speedy63663 I bet now 5 years later you feel like a freaking idiot for making that comment, today we are doing sealed systems, everybody does them and they are approved, I've been doing them longer than they have been approved and I have been Vindicated.... none of the garbage you said in your original comment 5 years ago holds true now, everything that you talked about is garbage....sealed systems are the "new thing" that I've been doing before it was even named😂😂😂😂

[@SIG020250]

⁠@@StarrTileI understand that in a pre-sloped system, water that seeps into the mortar eventually makes its way to weep holes in the drain. Interested in an explanation of what happens to water that gets into the mortar in an installation without pre-slope. Doesn’t the mortar eventually get saturated?

[@StarrTile]

@@SIG020250 in a water in & out system the mortar will ALWAYS be wet, to what extent is the question. Regardless they all fail at some point.....that's why now we don't allow water in...at all....hence the sealed system.

[@didyougetem]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@JJ-rf7dg]

1:40, Always dry fit pvc before gluing everything.

[@handydadtv]

Good advice.

[@JJ-rf7dg]

@@handydadtv looking good. I'm gonna do the same when I move to Florida,

[@MAGAMAN]

OMG, that shower plumbing. LOL And you need a control panel to use it? That's just stupid!

[@handydadtv]

No way. It was such an awesome valve that I left behind when I moved. Contemplating upgrading my new home with it.

[@kar15bigdog]

What's that pink stuff??

[@handydadtv]

Redgard waterproofing

[@nmlindon20]

When you install redgard you have to stay awey 5-6" from drain. And that hardy board under pan liner is not good practice, you need preslope. I see some good stuff. 👍🍻

[@cervezatorres5700]

No reason to redgard the whole floor if you already have a pvc liner under the mud pan, about 6" from the corners out is plenty. Good job anyway.

[@juventinohernandez7613]

Wuere did youbuy the tool to cut the pipe

[@handydadtv]

amzn.to/2AXzwsv

[@billd4056]

Looks like an everyday Dremel tool.

[@habibisakhi2450]

CAN you send me his name please for me to find him overe in KZbin thanks

[@handydadtv]

Whose name?

[@certified.honami]

you didnt slope the liner

[@handydadtv]

Correct. Watch the video linked in the description.

[@bjm723]

The text is covering details

[@robbob4872]

As soon as I saw you screwing backer board down instead of making a proper pre slope I knew you don’t know what you are doing. Also the drain body should be screwed to the sub floor - it looks like the one you used is for a concrete slab

[@handydadtv]

Ok thanks

[@michaelhusband6715]

The liner is supposed to be sloped! Why are you showing people wrong?

[@handydadtv]

Watch StarrTile for explanation

[@mossx1867]

Didn't pitch the pan⛷️

[@dtxflooringdesign9791]

It looks like yall dont do this to often😂

[@handydadtv]

No, I definitely don’t do this often.

[@jconnar]

pink ist primer?

[@handydadtv]

No, it’s a liquid waterproofing membrane called Redgard.

[@Apexjasonmorganllc]

Anyone that mentions Starr tile as someone who knows shower pans is just hahahaha! Starr tiles a rookie and does nothing right

[@jorgesandoval8989]

Apex floor designs LLC/Jason Morgan the only thing he does wrong is not doing a preslope which explains why and it works for him he doesn’t get call backs im sure he wouldn’t have customers if all his showers were leaking because he didn’t preslope come on stop hating on him let us see some of your videos Albert Einstein no one is perfect he does good work and helps people learn what do you contribute to KZbin? besides criticism

[@markmurto]

@@jorgesandoval8989 Not every one has time to post KZbin videos. But you say that is the litmus test, "how many videos did you post" to be allowed to warn people of something? What you say, Starr has some good techniwues, ok give him that. But lack of preslope is no minor mistake, and putting screws on hardy board in a curb, thats just dumb with or without Red Guard.

[@bennisim7949]

Mark hi how would you attach hardy board to the curb otherwise? I’m working on my shower. Thanks.

[@mram7715]

@@bennisim7949 mark hi is still thinking

[@StarrTile]

@apexjasonmoganllc First of all you have a really stupid screen name. Secondly I don't call 24 years in the business a rookie... although I appreciate all the content you have on your Channel, how you teach the world your techniques...... *NOT* And thirdly but more importantly, isn't it really cool that nowadays we do a sealed system for showers so the pre-slope and weep holes are as irrelevant as a payphone. Seems like I was ahead of my time doing sealed systems 8 years ago, and you were so far behind your time you could even see your own ass😂😂😂😂

[@MrDrb8354]

No pre slope? It won't last a decade......

[@handydadtv]

Time will tell.

[@reyesgarcia244]

👎

[@zloterece]

ale odpierdala fuszerke

[@williamwchuang]

LMAO he's following another KZbin guy who doesn't believe in building codes and preslopes.

[@handydadtv]

And it came out great

[@StarrTile]

@williamwchuand Is interesting to me that your comment is only a year old but you know nothing about a sealed system that is industry standard right now and I have been doing that same sealed system for 8 years.. so either you are just ignorant or stupid, can't figure out which but probably the latter. Pre slopes and weep holes are as relevant as a payphone and even a year ago you haven't caught on to that industry standard.... so probably a good idea to delete your comment now before everybody sees what a fool you are 😂😂😂😂

[@RCCRAZYSTUPID]

What thin set did you use??????

[@handydadtv]

For the shower pan, I used a simple mortar mix. You can see the bags in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIuTmJiKrpZ8fMk