What's the better swap, VR6 or 1.8T? Pro's and Cons

[@COMotorsports]

Keep in mind, we're referring to these engines in the lighter MK1, MK2, and MK3 platforms. For example a 1.8t feels completely different in the lighter platforms compared to the MK4's and A4's they typically came in.

[@BoostedVr5]

Here in Europe we have the Vr5 20valve, also seeing it here in mk2,s mk3,s 😏🔥

[@anonlincracing2484]

Ay ay less of the fat jokes my mk4 is just a body over 1 tonne

[@COMotorsports]

@@anonlincracing2484 over 1.5 Tons you mean.

[@Cafaldoscannabis]

The answer is 2.5

[@BoostedVr5]

@@DGT73 nah im going to turbo it 😂😂😂

[@Duutse1]

I've owned many of both and I'd say VR6 is for enjoying the sound and characteristics of a beautiful example of a N/A engine and 1.8t is for performance per buck while sounding... well, a four cylinder. Of course turboing a VR6 is the god level choice if you want to put some money into it. Both are great engines and deserve a place in the hall of fame!

[@1984-i1w]

handling difference too as they sit differently in relation to the axles.

[@b5Bart]

Same shit when it comes to transverse stuff​@@1984-i1w

[@weimaraners4822]

​@@1984-i1wgood suspension set up, good tires and even fwd is hanging with awd

[@8gti9]

Yes. I'm with team VR6. My ideal vr6 swap would be in a MK2 jetta gli (big bumpers) with power windows and ecode aeros.

[@dexterchurnside7036]

doing one rn

[@juddfyah]

You just describe my MK2 (white) GLI

[@hellgamerclan]

And you described my white GLI I just have small bumpers lol

[@jacobgodfrey6681]

Lmao you literally described my black 91 gli except im putting crank windows in it and if you look on my profile picture you can see it

[@dantesinfernopurgatory7826]

If you're converting the drivetrain with 4-motion, the VR6 makes sense. Otherwise the engine is too nose-heavy for the lighter MK1, MK2 and MK3 platforms, which affects handling. If you don't have all-wheel drive, go with the 1.8T.

[@rolandocrisostomo2003]

Just the sound from the vr6 makes it a winner in my book.

[@kevinmarshall549]

I’m building a 1.8t polo 6n2 . I had a mk3 Vr and lived it over never had a better car since, I toyed with the idea of putting a vr in the polo but like you said the weight like you said put me off . So 1.8t it was then so in that case it had to be the best 1.8t engine . I then found a BAM (225 bro) 1.8t engine for £350 , get a mapped ecu to 265 . I’m now currently doing internal’s in the engine and going for a ko4 turbo off the train. I wanted to get 300bhp but now it’s looking more in the 380-400 Bhp, but with that being said I’m still investigating and getting more research and videos like this are a massive help thank you so much . 👊🏾

[@m0i0k0eAnthony]

Team 1.8t... not that I don't love a 12v VR (had many in the past). Intercooler and charge piping was probably the biggest PITA when it came to my mk3.5 cabrio swap. Everything else was relatively simple. I just wish BFI still made the mk3 1.8t intercooler. Given the mk3.5 specific wiring as well as the price and availability of 12v VR, the 1.8t/02j and its simple tunability was the clear choice for me. Plus, based on the model year of my cabrio (2002) there were also registration and insurance hurdles in putting an older motor into the vehicle. I was faced with either a 24v or a 1.8t.

[@acefighterpilot]

I put a AAA VR6 in my '01 Cabrio. The wiring took me about two weeks (it was my first swap), which was complicated by the different connector styles between the car and the engine. The car also passed an OBD2 emissions test using the 1996 AAA ECU. The donor car cost $600, which also provided the transmission, Plus suspension, and a host of various Mk3 spares. Given my car previously had an automatic transmission, I didn't notice an increased nose heavy tendency after the swap. I think its handling is limited by its body moreso than anything else. There is a local curved highway offramp that I can only carve at about 55mph in my Cabrio, but my Mk7 will take it at 70mph easily. It's worth it for the drop top wookie noises though, and I like the sensation of drive by cable.

[@anonlincracing2484]

I'm 1.8t from England 🇬🇧 nice to see this comparison across the pond love that these engines are being discussed under non bias examples both are brilliant in their own fashion

[@COMotorsports]

Agreed 100%

[@OliG2]

VR6 supercharged 👌🏻 All the advantages of the VR6 but magnified many times 😁

[@DBMXJ]

20vt 225 swap in my mk2 caddy and I love it. power is nice after a map, fmic and downpipe, but I'm with you on the sound. can't beat the sound of a vr6

[@dubCanuck1]

My car flipped like 4 times this year. So I installed a kickstand on my MK2 to keep that from happening. Team VR6 FWIW

[@COMotorsports]

Impressive, they usually don't flip as much as the MK1s.

[@romeomccatty8480]

What's a kickstand may I ask

[@Deutscheautoparts]

VRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@COMotorsports]

Have an open mind. lol

[@JerZeyFiveOh]

I have driven my B5 01 1.8T A4 for over 10 years. One of the main reasons why I kept it was because the car was versatile. The car handles great, you can upgrade the power, and lastly, you can drive it all year around through any weather.

[@b5Bart]

Still driving my 99 avant 1.8 in manual and volcanooo black 🤟🤟🤟

[@JerZeyFiveOh]

@@b5Bart I got 236k on the original long block! 60-70k on the refreshed transmission lol. My coworker calls me crazy

[@jrex3575]

01 1.8t A4 QM in Briiliant Black with 270k miles strong! 150psi compression in all 4 cyl... burns about a half quart Liquimoly between 5k oil change servicing.. APR Stg 1, Redtop coilpacks, Stoptech 332mm bbk, 18"Oz Ultras/Michelin PS2s, 034 rear sway bar..B5 S4 panda seats.Depo Xenon headlights. my DD that Ill never get rid of! I'm sure I'll get to 300k.

[@tyronedean1812]

Absolutely loved this… was brilliant. I’ve got a 1.8T in my MK2 at the moment and loved it. But have brought a 3.2v6 to turbo DSG and 4 motion!

[@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know]

12v VR6 has the best growl, hands down.

[@COMotorsports]

I'm with you, but go check out the video of the 2.5T Corrado on our channel. It's the best of both worlds. :)

[@buddysshop1860]

Yeah cause the metal intake manifold makes way more intake sound 💕 I had a 12v mk3 and added the abd metal intake pipe and a piece of 3" metal pipe in front of the MAF, it was deafening at WOT 😆

[@MrTheHillfolk]

I dig the vr6 sound , but I'm sure the 1.8t is cheaper to get a fair amount of power from. But if you want all the horsepowers(damn the cost) I'd think a vr6t is better. Best is still that 16vT after all these years, that's kinda mind blowing.

[@PLr1c3r]

I'd say the 1.8/2.0t kits are the best bang for the buck so for a more budget friendly build go with the 4 banger, for performance peak the 2.5t is pretty much the king and for a badass cruiser you want that NA VR5/6 and turbo it if you want to make a statement. For sound alone its NA VR then 2.5t then 4 banger.

[@nickhorsman1497]

1.8t for me Thats actually my 1.8t motor in the background! Big turbo build in the making

[@dujuanjohnson5025]

are you stroking it or leaving it 1.8

[@babuMotko]

Thanks for this. Am currently doing my mk4 swap(from 1.8t agu to 3.2) This answers all the questions I had, especially on the power delivery. Thank you

[@COMotorsports]

Interesting, glad it helped.

[@stoverthetech]

It is hard to beat a cheap 12v turbo build. Currently running a 100% stock VR besides valvetrain and arp headstuds with a 6870 turbo in my MK2 with Haldex conversion 🤘

[@Mr_OoOsH]

I ran 562hp on a stock BDB VR6 it was swept apart from the amount of 02Q’s I destroyed 🤣

[@stoverthetech]

@@Mr_OoOsH so far my o2m r32 box is surviving but the mk2 is much lighter than a full weight mk4/5 so it may have something to do with it

[@Mr_OoOsH]

@@stoverthetech yeh it’s 100% the weight I’m 1534kg that was before the DQ500 swap

[@carlosmartinez-kl1ho]

Where do u get your parts from I got a 12v vr buy can't really find places that sell too many parts

[@Mr_OoOsH]

@@carlosmartinez-kl1ho depends where you are but bespoke partz ltd in the uk ship worldwide and can help you out

[@greenghost9250]

I currently have a stage 2 1.8t and I had a stage 2 12v vr6. If you want cheap reliable power 1.8t is the way to go. If you have deep pockets then vr6 is the way to go because you can get alot more power out of a vr6 but it will cost you a hell of alot more

[@devinpatel177]

How much we talking I have a 1.8 2016 vw sport and I want to maybe build it but I like the sound of a vr6

[@jedediahsmart569]

Just finished 12v VR swapping my 89’ Cabby. It’s all about the sound for this little cruiser.

[@COMotorsports]

Definitely cool in that chassis as the bark doesn't match the bite.

[@the_producer]

hard to beat the sound of a 12v. For a long time, a suitcase removed 12v corrado was the best sounding car I'd ever owned (until it was dethroned by a Mk4 R32)

[@ridiculousness7477]

Best VW content Chanel! I’d love to see some B5 A4 content

[@COMotorsports]

Appreciate the comments. ❤️

[@tristiangordon4838]

I'm with you guys, basically if i was doing a track car it would be a 1.8t all day. But in my case being a street car my mk1 cabby is going 3.2 vr

[@jasonhamilton547]

Great channel,great content. Why not a 5 cylinder for consideration?

[@FALCORTON]

I only owned a 1.8t but ive drove plenty of VR6 from friends... As an ownership standpoint, 1.8t throws more headaches and odd ball issues, but with available tuning and aftermarket my 1.8t outshines all my friends as far as power and fun. But that damn wookie is cool.

[@COMotorsports]

Valid points

[@MrToad85]

16v ABF swap is my plan so far, good base for more power later on as well...

[@aidanhamilton9859]

I like vr6s but i absolutely hate working on them. I dont mind working on the 1.8t I own an 02 turbo s 1.8t bug. Its got a downpipe and a GIAC stage 2 flash. Its fun to drive, definitely not fast but its reliable and fun

[@paulovalente738]

Just started the video and I’ll just say vr every day all day just can’t beat the sound

[@88tmilko]

VR6 🔥🔥🔥

[@thomasfx3190]

I’ve owned Mark II, III & IV cars and my GTI was a VR6 that I bought new (the display) out of the showroom. It was fast, but not quick if you take my meaning. But the car I want to do is just going to be for cruising around. I want to do a VR6 swap into a beetle, and I’m just not interested in plumbing a 2.0 car for a 1.8t intercooler and all the extra stuff that’s associated with it. Great video!

[@NugShrub]

As an A4 guy I was looking into the vr6 for more low torque because they are heavy cars but I may just stick with the 1.8t and finally go with a BT and a 2.0 crank. I've chewed through all the K04s and hybrid turbos and they just can't hang but hopefully a quality BT setup will satisfy my cravings. Otherwise I'm getting a 135i and starting all over with that.

[@gtiguy1992able]

I have a 92 gti had a 2.0l Aba swap from an 97 Passat it was fun, but pulled it planned on a vr6 turbo but think I wanna do a 1.8l 20v built

[@pierre-olivierbenoit8644]

Swap a 12V VR6 in mk3 cabby love the car for cruise ride, car feels great👌🏼

[@COMotorsports]

definitely a good cruiser

[@dropagearnz]

Same here

[@wangson3241]

I have owned a 1.8t modded to 240whp and a stock r32 (soon to be turbo). vr6 is better in most ways for me. they alluded to it in the video but torque steer on the 1.8t is heavy. Despite the 1.8t being faster accelerating, out of corners vr6 kills it. You simply cant get on power as fast as the steering fights you on power in the 1.8t. vr6 smoothness is not to be overlooked for sure. I know you can do things to counter the torque steer but that adds cost that should be considered as well. Mind you this was my (random internet guy) experience, take it with a grain of salt.

[@wangson3241]

after posting i realized it might be the awd of the r32 that ended the torque steer issue and this whole point might be irrelevant.

[@LithiuM230]

Which LSD would you recommend?

[@wangson3241]

@@LithiuM230 I have wavetrak

[@kevinforman251]

WOW!!! I own a 1.8T in a Passat and I’ve stage2 tune and I love it! I fool people all the time with my call in how fast it is all the time! Keep up the good work guys love your video’s!

[@lilchristian77360]

Definitely great video 😊... have to do a video on the 07k 2.5 and the 2.0tsi and or FSI

[@COMotorsports]

Not a bad idea.

[@lilchristian77360]

@@COMotorsports you guys are great! I have 2013 mk6 2.5 5spd... With a tune..but just want to let the people know the capabilities..and why there not doing more with the 07k✊💯

[@COMotorsports]

@@lilchristian77360 I'm doing a 2.5 (turbo) swap in my AWD Swapped MK6 GTI. You will see content over winter as we dig into it.

[@lilchristian77360]

@@COMotorsports awesome 😎 great 💯✊... definitely going to stay tune and looking forward to seeing content

[@danoontjeh123]

Hoping to do a B5 A4 quattro 1.8t build this year, just waiting for the right car to show up somewhere. So not really a swap, but still a 1.8t

[@oistein74]

I have a built 1.8t, 4wd, sequential eshifter here in Europe and last summer on the Nürburgring I had to detuned it from 25psi down to 20psi. That's 550-500 whp. It was just too much power for that track and the car was hauling past pretty much anything on the track. Corner handling excellent.

[@UngluckInc]

13 years since swap. 260k miles, 9k rpm 1984 GLi. 27mpg 93 octane 486whp, 23mpg E85 530whp.

[@xtvernon15]

What engine

[@madhatter8278]

U only have to smash the frame rail in if your using all stock mounts but there are swap mount kits for example what I just ordered from fabless manufacturing in Ontario Canada... for my 24v 2.8 into mk2 bolt in fixes the mounting angle and position...

[@garygarcia1571]

We are just finishing up a 12 valve 3.2 l VR6 and it is awesome

[@denisabajgoric4769]

1.8 I have 337 apr stage 3. 400hp safe 💥🤘 love VW!!!! God bless you 🙏!!!

[@COMotorsports]

Great to see those kits still out in the wild. They were built to last.

[@UngluckInc]

400hp? What did you upgrade from the original APR stg3 kit? The stg3+ cars were barely getting over 310whp.

[@denisabajgoric4769]

ECU only updated custom made from Germany my uncle sent me one last year

[@UngluckInc]

@@denisabajgoric4769 the gt2860rs that came with the stg3 kit is not 400whp capable, even on E85, close, but not 400.

[@COMotorsports]

@@UngluckInc In his defense.. he said HP, not WHP. Those kits used GT28's which mean 400hp is possible.

[@caveone-365]

I’ve built both 1.8t, all motor VR’s and boosted VR’s in various displacements and they each have their pros and cons. The best part about both is that you can obtain a complete roller with everything you need to at least get the basics of the swap started to whichever chassis you’ve chosen to use. The 1.8t swap is great if you want cheap and simple power that is basically ‘ready to go’ when bolted in. There is ZERO guesswork and you can basically install it all as a complete running unit and upgrade your compressor, tuning, and all the supporting mods whenever you want. If you don’t mind doing some fab work and trying different parts out along the way a boosted VR is a great choice as well. I mean the sound is phenomenal which everyone can probably agree with, not to mention the torque which has its own pros and cons alone because of the trans and axles. If you prefer a great all-motor swap the 12v AAA VR is the cats ass IMO. I built a ‘91 GLI with a built all-motor AAA with an O2A/ hydro to cable conversion, TDI 5th gear and a Quaife and I LOVED that car. It was rock solid reliable, and you could do around 80mph and be around 2,500rpm and get around 30mpg. Such a great highway cruiser. I threw some Cat cams, H.D. Autotech springs, titanium retainers, little bit of headwork (port match, blending, etc... as far as the 1.8T cars, the possibilities are endless. A decent setup is a KO3 sport, full 3” turbo back, decent sized core, nice tune, proper fueling mods- pump, injectors, short runner intake mani, etc and so forth.... the possibilities go on and on... this video is certainly helpful in choosing what folks are looking for in a build. A lot of really great info is shared here, and it’s a great service to us enthusiasts that love these cars. This channel rocks for sure!! Thanks for sharing this fellas!!😉👍🏻

[@COMotorsports]

Thanks for the compliments. Much appreciated.

[@Priza25]

I’m running a 91 mk2 golf with aaa 12v it’s so fucking fun. Tucked up for the winter now and keep going looking at it itching to drive it 😂

[@grafikmekaniker]

Late to the party, but I went through this exact debate with my MK4 wagon. I ended up going with a 3.2 VR (with future plan of turbo). If it were a Golf, I'd have stuck with the 1.8t. In my head, the biggest MK4 begs for wookie noises. Also kind of balances out with the extra weight in back, but we will see..... Your vids are always great to watch. Informative and inspiring. Thank you for the content.

[@COMotorsports]

appreciate the comments, thanks for following along.

[@CHILLSEEKERSPATRICKDOWD]

This video was great. Basically both engines are the best. I’d have to to say a caddy vr6 street car would be a great ripper. Had a mk4 vr6 for a while and would love that engine in a lightweight mk1

[@jae9843]

I know off-topic, but at a certain power level (450 whp? maybe even less?), a VR6 build is going to start to be noticeably a lot more streetable than a 1.8T build. Even with a stroker 1.8T, getting a GT30 turbo lit is going to take a relative minute, especially as you start going big port head/cams/intake manifold that all shift the power up. At the drag strip, 1/2-mile, etc, where you're in your powerband all the time, none of that matters. But on the street, the "no replacement for displacement" saying is 1000% true imho. As an extreme example, there's a chasm-sized difference in the smoothness and linear power delivery of a 500+ hp 6-liter V8 vs a 500+ hp 2-liter. The latter can become a real chore to drive on most anything but an open highway.

[@COMotorsports]

I disagree with the last part of that, let me show you some dyno graphs of the r32 turbo vs a hybrid mk7r. Those things are making boosted VRS look silly right across the board.

[@UngluckInc]

completely disagree. 2.0l bottom end, g25-660 you can see 400ft.lb @3700rpm(roughly 18psi)

[@vdubmhana8858]

I’ve owned both, for sure. 1.8t are great solid motor.

[@COMotorsports]

We agree, it's no slouch.

[@HOTEG6]

I have a mk3 golf vr6 Highline sounds amazing I also have mk1 golf gti 1.8t 20v bam I like both I think for the mk1 golf 1.8t is probably The most popular swap here in UK

[@LithiuM230]

Ryan just finished the 12V VR6 swap in my car. I’m really loving it! I chose that engine as I wanted more of an “era correct” swap.

[@davidristic3800]

Is Ryan ok? He has disappeared...

[@MrProject55]

Team 16vt....worked on them all and the VR or 07k will be in the next project. can't deny the call of the wookies. its about SPG (smiles per gallon) not MPG and I get to boost a friends 24v next season!

[@COMotorsports]

07k fo sho

[@4BillC]

I have an 01 Audi A4 1.8T and my son has a Mk4 Jetta VR6. Both of these vehicles are tuned and while his car sounds so much better than mine, I just blow his doors off. He doesn't really drive the way I do though. He absolutely loves both our cars and so do I!

[@COMotorsports]

Now put both of those engineers in 1000lb lighter cars and the 4cyl weak points go away.

[@whorutothink]

For drag racing, having that weight aft of the front axle helps to pull the front wheels down and keep the tires digging into the ground (pretty sure you were talking about this later on in the video). Even with an open differential, my MK3 VR6 could pull off some pretty exceptional launches on street tires because of this. I would absolutely opt for a VR6 turbo if I were building the car for drag racing. For any kind of circuit racing, I'd opt for the 1.8T for the weight balance of the car. As much as I loved my NA VR6 in my MK3, it was very noticeable when I pushed it deep into the corners as the car would understeer like a pig. I had a MK3 8v before the MK3 12v and it was remarkable how much faster I could go into and pull out of corners in that car.

[@COMotorsports]

I agree with you on all accounts really. 👍

[@shellyveira7234]

I’m having lots of fun with my 1.8t mk2! It doesn’t sound as awesome as a vr but it works good! 🖤

[@COMotorsports]

I have no doubt👍

[@jamilahmed979]

My ideal swap is 1.8t

[@jasonp621]

I have a mk1 cabriolet with a 12 valve vr6 swap. Pauter rods wiseco pistons bored to a 3.0L low comp pistons with an s366. Love it.

[@jackcampbell5443]

Nothing like the n/a 12v vr6. If u keep the timing chains & guides up to date its bullet proof. Been a vdub guy since 1994 I'm 42 80s baby had mk1 mk2 mk3 mk4 mk5. Long live vr6

[@COMotorsports]

You need to give a modified MK7 R a chance.

[@sebastiancorrea1329]

Now 1.8t, vr6, or 5cylinder? Curious to know your thought of 5 cylinder Audi motor

[@williamjoachim1897]

I'm VR6 team just because of the sound. I'm not racing I'm just enjoying the car.

[@Hello_louis]

I love my 12v and 24v VR6. I'm still searching for the AWP 1.8T for a project .

[@COMotorsports]

Totally different animal for sure, but fun in the right chassis.

[@neildantino4709]

Get one of each, enjoy best of both!

[@Greenerdan]

Someday I'll get to build my MK2 Jetta with a VR6, I'll be coming to see you guys when I do! Love the sound of those engines, the 3.2L especially!

[@COMotorsports]

Best of luck with your build. 👍

[@joshuam7552]

I'm team VR6... I have a 2008 Audi A3 8P 2.0T TFSI (chain driven) and a 2018 VW Passat GT 3.6L VR6...I love the VR6 and power delivery. Will definitely be looking into a VR6T swap into the Audi in the not so distant future!

[@COMotorsports]

Not the same comparison in those chassis though. Side note, just buy a 3.2 A3, then you will have AWD as well in it. 🙂

[@joshuam7552]

@@COMotorsports Yes absolutely aware; not the same comparison...and yes, I would get a 3.2

[@AcidicLicks]

My dad has a 80 rabbit with a 98 vr6 swapped into it and it’s a beast, but I have a 04 gti vr6 and it’s been great to me

[@vdubfredvr6969]

Maybe a video on 1.8t intercooler plumbing ideas and how to on those swap platforms would be sweet. Or maybe a business opportunity for someone to make some kits?

[@stefanodelstef7988]

To me, the best engine would be the 2.5 inline 5 cyl. with a turbo as the one in the Audi TT RS.

[@COMotorsports]

Doesn't even need to be from the TTRS.. the regular 07K with a turbo is not to be messed with.

[@grantlingley1385]

Completely separate vehicle and functional requirement but I am considering an Atlas for towing an enclosed trailer and dirt bikes….of course two engines….VR6 or 2.0 litre Turbo….this discussion has me wondering now….I assumed VR6 would be the better motor and possibly more resilient over time / miles. Completely separate discussion and not likely one for this forum but a decision for me! Always appreciate your videos guys!

[@COMotorsports]

The Atlas only has a 5000lb towing capacity so you're not towing to much with it if that's your goal.

[@davej.6290]

Always the VR6. The sound - specially the 12V - unbeaten. The 1.8t has it‘s benefits for sure, but it‘s just a 4cylinder with no soul. I have swapped both motors in different mk2, bot were nice.

[@COMotorsports]

No sole.. lol If it wasn't for the 1.8t and introduction back to forced induction VW would be living in the stone ages though.

[@jacobgodfrey6681]

I got to go with team VR6 because me and my dad are going to swap a 2.8 vr6 that we got out of a B3 passat into my mk2 jetta gli and the VR6 is the best sounding engine ever created and nothing can change my mind about that lol

[@coltonsordi8668]

I currently own a MK4 24v VR it is stock and dailyed a 2.6 1.8t for a while and i personally can say the 1.8t puts some nice power out being stock as well but i would take the VR all day the sound it just amazing and it’s so smooth and can definitely be worked up crazy if the money is there.

[@TheTryHardDad]

Love my 385hp 1.8T in my MK1 cabby.

[@5280Dubbing]

1.8t FTW!!! I have b5 avant with bigturbo build but im already searching for the next build and im debating on vr6 swapping my b5 s4 or going with c4 s4 I5 20vt

[@dougdevine]

What about cost comparison between the 12v and 1.8T swaps also? I also know there is so much more information out there about the 12v swap vs the 1.8T swap I feel.

[@COMotorsports]

I think the 1.8t can be done much cheaper, the kicker is the fab work required for intercooler piping.

[@Robertas_Grigas]

1.8t much cheaper as it's almost "complete". All you need is injectors, a bigger turbo and a matching manifold to make decent power. When it comes to turbo vr6 it takes quite a bit of fabrication or you will have to pay big money for pre-made parts.

[@COMotorsports]

@@Robertas_Grigas and software, intercooler, clutch, exhaust.... Lol

[@LithiuM230]

I just completed a 12V VR6 swap on my Mk2 Jetta. It cost me around 8k CAD, but I had the engine completely rebuilt, and also did MK3 fuel tank and G60 Corrado front brakes at the same time.

[@someblokeonthenet]

I have an Audi S3 8L... I built a stroker 20v with a GT3582r making some 620hp (before it bent an IE uprated rod)... now have a 3.2 VR6 in running the same turbo (less power though for reliability)... 500hp at 1bar boost from really low down the rev range and over 400ftlbs flat to 7k limit... and of course the sound of a VR6 :) For me going VR6 was the best thing I have done to my car in the 13 years of owning it

[@COMotorsports]

I agree, however it's not the same when you put these engines in smaller chassis. The 1.8t in a 3000lb+ car is very lack luster down low, in fact there's no comparison to the VR in that case. Simply due to what it's trying to lug around. Put those engines in a 1000lbs lighter car and you're experience would be quite different. For example if I had to choose between a 1.8t or VR in a MK4, A3, A4, whatever... it would be VR every time. Put it in a lighter chassis and things become a lot different.

[@someblokeonthenet]

@@COMotorsports very true... that said I would happily have a Mk2 Golf with an NA VR6 (12v or 24v) in it... I ran the 3.2 VR NA in the S3 for a couple of years before finally fitting the turbo... its a little lack lustre power wise for such a heavy car :) Loving the channel and your work guys... keep it up

[@COMotorsports]

@@someblokeonthenet much appreciated👍

[@davidkirsch94]

I swapped a 1.8t in my daily Corrado 13 years ago. Did a 93 tune shortly after the install. I bought a 94 VR6 Corrado 4 years ago and absolutely love driving that car but definitely won't beat my daily Corrado, at least not until the turbo goes in. I would totally swap in a 1.8t again, best thing I did to that car and it rips. My wife's old 12v VR6 GTI could keep up a little better but still couldn't take the 1.8t.

[@COMotorsports]

yep, unless you drive both, it's just all talk.

[@aygwm]

S&P sells a rad/intercooler combo for the 1.8T in the mk1, but not sure if it’s a whole kit

[@justinmiller1191]

I have a 1.8t Mk3 Jetta. It's a blast and not super nose heavy.

[@piasprojects]

Excellent video and it is a common argument. The solution have one of each at least lol. I love both engines and wouldn’t be upset with either option in my MK1-3!

[@COMotorsports]

We agree. 👍

[@scottrevell3326]

I agree so that's what i did. Auq 1.8t Arl 1.9d and of course the 3.2 vr6. Don't tell the other 2 but the diesel is the best of both worlds apart from that sound 🤘

[@COMotorsports]

@@scottrevell3326 You need to go to the doctor.

[@scottrevell3326]

@@COMotorsports 🤣👍 seriously though Darkside Developments can work wonders with the old tractors! I'm all stock so don't know about tuning but there's not much in it from factory

[@blitzrcaviation]

I turbo'd my 97' GTI VR6 using a Stg2 UM chip and a cheap T3/T4 turbo, going strong for 6 years at 12lbs.

[@j.m.5995]

What is UM?

[@blitzrcaviation]

@@j.m.5995 United Motorsports

[@Clodrock]

Was shopping mk1 Audi TTs and I ended up getting a fairly clean and completely stock '05 3.2 Quattro DSG as my weekend car. I've always loved the sound and instant power of the Corrado SLC VR6 but those are hard to find in nice stock condition at a reasonable price. So to me this is the next best thing. I may do an ECU tune if it's CARB compliant and perhaps upgrade to a Borla exhaust. Love that motor!

[@gritandgears9159]

I totally agree that is why I an swapping a 1.8t in a mk2 GTI right now!!

[@COMotorsports]

Very nice, good luck with the swap.

[@masonpugh3637]

I have a Volkswagen cabrio with a 2.0 later I'd rather swap it to AVR6 I've had 3 and a 1/2 years Nothing beats that sound or the power Would that be a good thing to do Or just go with a 1.8 Turbo Or back to the 2.0 but Turbo thanks

[@dasautojunkies2921]

07K is the best swap ;)

[@gorbdonfreeming]

A man of culture

[@Continental719]

What’s soo good about the 07K?

[@alexadames9390]

Personally I went 20v for my mk1 rabbit , just because I'll be auto cross racing and weight distribution Is a must. Thanks guys for this awesome comparison video.

[@COMotorsports]

Glad you like, 20v MK1's are definitely fun.

[@daewoo_5366]

Would you be interested in selling your Rabbit?

[@uncensored5104]

Have had a MK1 12v VRT for 20 years now and built plenty on MK1 & 2 1.8T's for customers and myself. I have no desire to swap out my VRT even for a 24v VRT as it makes plenty of reliable power everywhere. Both engines have their place but the VRT is King Is the Vortex forum still going, not been on there for about 15 years 😲

[@COMotorsports]

At one time it was king I'd agree.

[@rharrell777]

I have an 02 Turbo S 6 speed 1.8t Beetle. I just put a 3" downpipe and 3" out of the downpipe to 2.5" at the Y to 2.5" about the last foot and made really cool looking tips at the bumper. The car sounds and runs really good, and I absolutely love the way it drives. They come from the factory with Z rated tires and does awesome in curves plus stops really good. What specifically can I do keeping it to where I don't have to spend a whole bunch of money to increase H.P? I don't mind spending a little just because I do absolutely love the car. Thanks for your help.

[@COMotorsports]

If the car isn't tuned, 100% tune it.

[@rharrell777]

@@COMotorsports I've built small block Chevys growing up for many years with dad. I couldn't tell you the first thing about tuning a 4 cly. other than in meaning to replace the intake and or possibly bigger injectors? What size injectors could I run without having to use a bigger fuel pump? Stage 2 be ok? I seen just now that it should be around 250/270 with stage 2. Is there a software company that you'd recommend that you've had the best luck with. What does stage 3 mean? Sorry for the negligence on my part, I'm just now starting the learning process on the Stages ....Etc

[@COMotorsports]

@@rharrell777 Stage 1 tune requires no modifications to the vehicle at all aside from the software reflash. It will be the best bang for the buck you do to the car ever. This is an old video we did but worth a watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGrXmpuMaMqoaLs

[@fruitp144]

Each one has so much potential

[@COMotorsports]

We agree as well.

[@jdportwerks6795]

Not one of the motors on discussion but me personally like 16VG60 and I’ve had vr6 & 1.8T Mk1 it out performs all these motors on a stock platform. And with bolt ons I believe it still out performs all keeping in mind that the 1.8T keeps its k03 / k04 Dave you should do a challenge on this😁 I’d be in with the oldest motor 16VG60 as far as the sound from a VR love it! But I prefer the whistle/wine from a blower on a engine. Guess I’m just old🤣 #allgreatmotors #lovethischannel

[@COMotorsports]

Appreciate the love as always.

[@Panosser]

My golf mk4 swap from 1.6 to 1.8t with audi auq engine and i am happy with that until right now from 2003 i have it as new car!i am not sell it ,is the best engine ever made from vw audi group

[@W1llShoots]

Thankyou for adding that last bit about the 24 valve vr6 im glad to see it came out on top. i just purchased a 2009 3.2 a3 hoping to boost it, wondering if I should go turbo or supercharger.

[@COMotorsports]

I would not waste my time or money doing a supercharger. You WILL want more and the SC will have you starting all over again because you can only get so much out of it. A simple turbo setup will make more than a decent SC setup.

[@W1llShoots]

@@COMotorsports Thankyou, I appreciate the reply!

[@lithsooo]

Hi, two engine different, for me, vr6 the best song, 1.8T most power easy. Or you have TDI ( injector pump) who have most power easy. Very good video I like it !

[@COMotorsports]

Thanks, we appreciate it

[@friscostreetstories5403]

I'm 48 yrs old and grew up in VWs. In the 90s Honda was making great 4 Bangers no doubt, but the OG swap is a VR. We never thought VW was gonna make a GOOD turbo motor.

[@COMotorsports]

I'm with yeah. But they definitely crushed it when they did finally. The 1.8t brought all new life to VWs IMO.

[@friscostreetstories5403]

@@COMotorsports Yes

[@whooshding7164]

GOOD INFO GUYS!! I have a 12v obd1 swapped 87 vanagone. Only mod is intake. LOVE the torque, it only gets better...however, rear engine, 5500lbs, stock gearing trans...hmmm. Now what?

[@COMotorsports]

Enjoy it.

[@whooshding7164]

@@COMotorsports only thing comes to mind...tt tuning cam for low end tq due to heavier vehicle. possibly stronger clutch

[@eamonnthatcher]

1.8t all day long ,love what you do 👍

[@sunoclockoneday2576]

12v sounds better than anything period. Ive had a 12v Mk2 swap and it was fun in a straight line , had a couple mk2 ABA swaps theyvwere fun on the backroads. If i ever get another mk2 it will have an ALH swap (i will never own a VW without one again). I like cracking down the backroads and the VR is a sloppy pig so i would go with 1.8t if i had to chose one of the two from the video. Both great engines though. ....i did not have to modify the frame rail whith my VR swap. Some do though

[@joshminzler9062]

just seen this and i have a few questions... when you did the "dyno" did you say they had tunes on them... why i ask, is because doesnt different motors have different rated hp by motor codes and how they was built in factory... i ask this because i have a 02 mk4 1.8t with a awp motor code(180hp) stock.... so when you did your testing did you take in factor on which motor you used... i love my 1.8t and i am getting ready to do the deletes as you talked about and a few more upgrades, but i found this video very interesting and infomative... but id like to know your take about the different motor codes, and stock hp ratings compared to a tuned one like i think you said was done with these

[@COMotorsports]

When tuned it's irrelevant, they end up at the same spot.

[@guidosaur7506]

I think BFI sold intercooler kits for the 1.8t mk3 swap kits they sold but I think everything has been out of stock forever

[@COMotorsports]

Interesting. Even MK4 kits are far and few between now.

[@davidross-oo2vh]

I would use an 84 1.6 turbo diesel..

[@draggonhedd]

I'm cool with a mostly stock 12v vr6, i just want a little pep and all the sound. 24v if i'm feeling frisky. Ofc, I want to put it in something RWD.

[@gianavim1161]

Great video guys! Thanks for all the knowledge spread How posible do you guys see a Nissan 300zx with a VR6 swap ?? It’s something I would love to have

[@COMotorsports]

Pretty confident it's been done already actually.

[@gianavim1161]

@@COMotorsports Great! I’m saving some money cause I need a 300zx with a VR6 in my life 😅

[@COMotorsports]

@@gianavim1161 Get to it. Good combo for sure.

[@tcb_666]

So I understand how you made the comparisons, but I just got a 24v VR6 in a MKIV GTI with the six speed. How does that compare to the same gen 1.8T then? How does the 12v compare to the 24v?

[@COMotorsports]

24v makes more power and is a great engine. Just expensive to make more power.