Cutting a dovetail on the shaper.

[@infoanorexic]

A fitting demonstration of the fact that shapers are really not obsolete. Not like some would claim, anyway.

[@Rustinox]

You're right.

[@antalog]

The slo-mo section was particularly enjoyable!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@duron700r]

Tool holders for the quick change tool post! Jeez, ya had me with working with a shaper. Neat video!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@TheRecreationalMachinist]

Love the picture-in-picture 12 minutes in! 👍 🇬🇧

[@Rustinox]

Thanks. That's easy to do.

[@cameronmccreary4758]

I have done dovetails both with rotary cutters on the mill and lathe type cutters on my milling machine's slotting head. The slotting head acts like a vertical shaper. One more thing Starrett makes sets of very nice dovetail measuring micrometers. I bought one recently for 90° angles.

[@Rustinox]

Nice. Thanks.

[@wizrom3046]

I love that "vice you didn't have". 👍😎

[@Rustinox]

Lol. Thanks.

[@peterlastrucci324]

The more I watch your excellent videos, the more I want a shaper!

[@Rustinox]

Go for it.

[@terrycannon570]

Fantastic demonstration. I really enjoyed the simple set up . The explanation of what angles to grind the tool and using the straight edge and dial indicator were invaluable.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Terry.

[@thomasstover6272]

Very nice video! I’m getting a vintage shaper ready to go, and making machine dovetail slides is one of the reasons I’m excited about it.

[@Rustinox]

That's nice. Have fun with it.

[@jrsydvl7218]

I just happen to need to cut a dovetail but couldn't position my clapper box avoid digging into the part. I used it as an excuse to make a dovetail cutter on my lathe.

[@Rustinox]

No need of excuses. Have fun with it.

[@MannyVanOss]

I do quite a bit of oilfield repair work, I’m hoping to add a well taken care of shaper to my all manual machine shop in the near future, people are always telling me just use your mill but this video is exactly why I’m wanting to add it to my arsenal in the shop. Thanks for the video

[@Rustinox]

Shapers can remove material a lot faster then milling machines, so go for it.

[@MannyVanOss]

@@Rustinox it’s made in Yugoslavia Bačka Palanka “Majevica” a 24”. Do you know anything of this brand?

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

Thank you Michel for an entertaining and informative explanation on how dovetails can be machined accurately on the shaper. I learned so much from this video, especially how much I crave having a shaper. Sadly no room 😢

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Andrew.

[@outsidescrewball]

great video production/discussion/demonstration/build…thanks for sharing your experience

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Chuck.

[@powerq21]

Not only technically and practically informative, but very engaging and witty presentation. Very enjoyable, thank you!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@samrodian919]

Not sure I agree with you. Technically maybe not but the set up was certainly informative and I love Michel's sense of humour!

[@charleskutrufis9612]

You certainly have an analytical mind, many of your methods appear simple(after you have figured it all out.) I always get an education when watching your videos. As you always respond to my comments, this has been my pleasure. Thank You

[@Rustinox]

Just step by step. And it works.

[@LetsRogerThat]

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the KZbin video of the year. Secret weapons, Heavy Vise throwing contest (because I need to get rid of all mine. I don't want to be a p***y) and lots of great special effects, laughter and learning. Damn I like the finish that shaper makes. Great video Michel. Gilles

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Gilles.

[@radboogie]

Those chips at 8:44 were particularly satisfying! Excellent work Sir 👍

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@douglashank8480]

Thanks for another great video! I learn something new every time I watch you. Now that you've pointed it out, I see that the female part of a dovetail needs to be taller than the male. Of course it does; that makes perfect sense! It's a great example of something that just wouldn't have occurred to me if someone with more experience hadn't pointed it out. ...or until I tried to make one for the first time and wondered why my dovetail didn't fit and slide like it was 'supposed' to. Thank you again! 😊

[@Rustinox]

While doing it, you will quickly figure it out :)

[@richardw3294]

Beautifully explained and executed. I wish I had a shaper 😢.

[@Rustinox]

One day maybe...

[@davidberlanny3308]

Hi Michel, great video, some great editting as well. I particularly enjoyed seeing and hearing the slowed down cuts on the shaper 👌👌👌. Very enjoyable to watch, good luck from Spain!!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks David.

[@NoelBarlau]

I really love shaper videos. Maybe I should make more of them. Really a well done video, thanks for sharing!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Noel.

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

As always, a well filmed and edited entertaining video. Thanks!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Stefan.

[@MyMiniHomeWorkshop]

Nice outcome Rusti 👍, I intend to remake the compound for my little homemade Lathe in the coming months now that I have a mill, but alas, it will be with dovetail cutters

[@Rustinox]

Do with what you have and be happy with it.

[@MyMiniHomeWorkshop]

@@Rustinox Will do 👍

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.

[@Rustinox]

Will do.

[@daveharriman2756]

It's just amazing how versatile the shaper is, I guess you could have machined a bit more out and made room for a gib strip, but that's only if you wanted to! best wishes Rusti, cheers, Dave

[@Rustinox]

On a shaper you can make whatever you want, Dave. Just do it :)

[@plainnpretty]

I like seeing shaper work. I enjoy your videos thanks for sharing them.

[@GoCreatehms]

Perfect job for a shaper, always enjoy seeing a shaper ar work.

[@Rustinox]

Indeed. Thanks.

[@hogan6216]

Another GREAT shaper class....A+....Your the man when it comes to shaper work....Always look forward to your videos...Thank you From the U.S.A. Phil..

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Phil.

[@billjulian9496]

Michel, another informative and entertaining video. The shaper is such a versatile tool to have, your explanations and blackboard drawing are very helpful to illustrate the proper fit of a dovetail. Thank you

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Bill.

[@bearsrodshop7067]

If My Sammie were here, she would have loved this one for sure. She always loved your since of humor and talents. After watching mr. Pete's videos a early this month on tool post ( a 2 parter vid) and showing dial indicators holders adapted to tool post, I like that concept. Had a buddy 3D print me up a few, but by fault on my part, I sent him the files for AXA not B type. So I now 5 AXA one to give away 😞. Since my shaper is still in pieces, will have to do on my mill as soon as I get in Randy Richards dove tail cutters 🙂. This was awesome Michel, and fill Sammie is watching and agreeing as well. Ole Bear in cold TX,,,burrrrrr!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks for your kind words, Bear.

[@sky173]

Great video. I just picked up an Atlas Shaper. Your videos are very educational. Thanks for sharing.

[@Rustinox]

That's nice. Have fun with it.

[@stuartlockwood9645]

Hi Michel ☺ this was great, and explaned quite simply . This just goes to show we don't need to over complicate things to end up whith a good result. Thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Stuart.

[@salmonforever6088]

Thanks for the video. Keep more shaper projects coming!

[@Rustinox]

That's the plan.

[@jimzivny1554]

Good video, nice explanation of the setup.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@ftownroe]

Great Video and fantastic explanation of the complex subject of managing the angles of the cutter and clapper box.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Fred.

[@TheAyrCaveShop]

Hi Michel, Well Done ! Enjoyed and was taking notes. ATB....Dean

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Dean.

[@danielelliott3659]

I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. I learn something every time I watch one. Thanks from Alaska!

[@Rustinox]

My pleasure.

[@bhein67]

You are always a treat to watch...absolutely love your sense of humor! Very nice example of making do with what you have. Amazing things can be done with the simplest of tools. Cheers from Canada p.s.-Happy St. Patricks Day

[@Rustinox]

Thanks .

[@kentuckytrapper780]

Great video rusty, keep'um coming..

[@Rustinox]

Thanks. Will do.

[@mikebryan544]

One of your best Michel, great to reference

[@Rustinox]

Thanks. Feel free :)

[@mikebryan544]

I think the hardest part is roughing the centre part not sure best way like use parting tool and go ti depth in each section or rough out a vee as you did, i will try both

[@samrodian919]

Very instructive, Rusty, and funny as well !

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@denislamadeleine1181]

A great lesson Michel, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I really enjoyed the slow motion footage of the shaper in action. I really like this tool and hope to buy one some day.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Denis. Go for it.

[@Steviegtr52]

Good educational video Michel. Just shows how versatile a shaper can be. Regards. Steve.

[@Rustinox]

On a shaper you can make whatever you want.

[@dermotkelly2971]

That's a good idea. When I was younger I tried to do that on a milling machine and made a mess of it.

[@Rustinox]

Making a mess is just part of the proces.

[@redmorphius]

Great tips!!! Thanks!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@Rustinox]

My pleasure.

[@lecnac855]

Well done as usual.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@paulspooner-q6k]

i dont subscribe to channels but ur no nonsense aproch is awesome

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Paul.

[@markedevold1261]

Michel, thanks for the video, this was one I’ve been waiting for. I saved it for future reference.

[@Rustinox]

My pleasure, Mark.

[@JourneymanRandy]

Well done Michel. Some day maybe I will have a shaper.🔧⚒🔩

[@Rustinox]

In two years... :)

[@wash3141]

Thanks! Good job! I would love to visit your shop and enjoy a bit of wine, or coffee or tea or whatever!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@MachiningandMicrowaves]

I need one of those vices that you don't have. So much easier to move around.

[@Rustinox]

They are very lightweight :)

[@johnmullen1955]

Excellent video very well explained and very well filmed.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks John.

[@howder1951]

Great video Michel, that shaper requires good deal of patience, but it is a bit relaxing to watch. Enjoyed the vide, take care!

[@Rustinox]

Well, it doesn't take more thime than doing it on the mill.

[@ianaristotlethompson4186]

Brilliant presentation, and subject.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@haroldpearson6025]

One of the advantages with shapers for the small workshop is cutters/tools can be made "at home" cheaply.

[@Rustinox]

Absolutely right.

[@haroldpearson6025]

@@Rustinox What many don't realise is that small shapers such as the Eliot and 10M are professional machine tools unlike the Micky Mouse amateur bench top milling machines.

[@532bluepeter1]

Thank you. This was both informative and very amusing. "So it isn't possible. Goodbye. Wait..." Very funny. As you were setting up the tool slide angle I was wondering why you weren't hogging out the waste first. In order to avoid interference between the tool and clamps might I suggest making some of Harold Hall's low profile clamps.

[@Rustinox]

Setting the angle first saves me a setup. Because I need to install the original part to copy the angle.

[@chrisdunham7169]

Excellent - many thanks. These are explanations I can follow :)

[@pauloaparicio7899]

Excellent work and video! Very well explained! Regards.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@tooltimechris7217]

I’m thinking about making toolholders on the shaper! Great video, O and the gib you made fits perfectly! Thanks Rusty!

[@Rustinox]

That's good news, Chris. Thanks for letting me know.

[@eyuptony]

Nice work, Rustinox. Tony

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Tony.

[@richardjones-sl2zd]

Highly enjoyable video. Presumably you would chamfer, radius or break edge the tip of the included angle on the female part to avoid interference ( and also to make fitment easier). Much in the same way as a brake disc register diameter has a sharper radius at its root than that of the hub against which it lies flat.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Richard. Breaking the corners is indeed the way to go.

[@624Dudley]

Information plus entertainment. Ideal! 👍

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@kimber1958]

GREAT JOB ,THANKS KIMBER

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Kimber.

[@mikkoliehu6466]

Wow!!! Im sure that i need have a shaper !!

[@Rustinox]

I think so too :)

[@woodscreekworkshop9939]

Very nice!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@philoso377]

Nice video and presentation. I wonder if you have any video about dovetail shimming? Particularly two shins (end to end) adjustable by a one screw per end.

[@Rustinox]

Unfortunately, I don't.

[@donmadere4237]

Nice tips! Thanks

[@jdmccorful]

Soon Don, soon.

[@donmadere4237]

@@jdmccorful not sure on that Steve does things on his own timeline!

[@jdmccorful]

@@donmadere4237 I would have never guessed!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@ronwilken5219]

Thank you Michael and whoever that other bozo was that said your measurements wouldn't work. Now having made that part maybe you need to dream up a use for it. Perhaps a universal vertical slide for the lathe or the mill. Seems a pity to waste a perfectly good piece of steel with a 55° dovetail cut in it. Just a suggestion from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊️🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪👍.

[@Rustinox]

Well, for the moment I don't have any use of it.

[@MrFactotum]

eyup Michel Nice one I have to make a miniature dovetail soon, not decided on Mill or shaper yet, or a i may use a file🤣🤣🤔🤔👍👍👍👍👍👍 see you next time Kev uk

[@Rustinox]

It's your choice, Kev.

[@machinists-shortcuts]

Using pins that are the correct diameter to suit the angle, allows the same measurement to be used for each part providing the deepest depth is used for the calculation. For 55 degrees the ideal pin diameter is 36.5% of the depth of the deepest dovetail. For other dovetail angles 60 degrees is 1/3rd of the depth & 45 degrees is 41% of the depth.

[@Rustinox]

That's very interesting information. Thanks.

[@machinists-shortcuts]

@@Rustinox No problem hope it helps one day. There is a full explanation in my video " no trig matching dovetails?? "

[@richardjones-sl2zd]

@@machinists-shortcuts For fun, I did the math. So further to your excellent no trig video, the ratio of the pin diameter to depth is equal to the cosine of the dovetail angle divided by ( 1 + cosine of that angle).

[@machinists-shortcuts]

@@richardjones-sl2zd That all works out to my calculations too. I will add your simplified formula to my video description for others to use if that is OK.

[@richardjones-sl2zd]

@@machinists-shortcuts I would be honored.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Michel, great to see that. Yes a mill could be quicker but how often do you have the right cutter? Tooling is the killer on the mill if you don't have a customer to pay for it. Having both machines gives so many options. The fit on your new part was spot on. Cheers

[@Rustinox]

I don't think the milling machine will do it faster.

[@commodore64boy]

Is there a reason to not do the rough cutting with a milling machine if you have access to one?

[@Rustinox]

Rouching is much faster on the shaper. Plus, it saves me a setup.

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Nice one! 👍

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Tom.

[@bouregakarim3194]

🎉🎉thank you

[@Rustinox]

My pleasure.

[@DoMetalStuff]

the hunger gets bigger and bigger when I see the shaper working again. I'm still rebuilding. question how long is the oil collection tray at the back of the ram slide

[@Rustinox]

On my machine it's 180mm. It's the original one.

[@DoMetalStuff]

@@Rustinox thanks Michel. now i can make it as well. Gr Dominic

[@stovepipe666]

nice work well done

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@AstraWerke]

Well done. This is one of the jobs I'd preferrably do on a shaper (cost of a profile mill aside), because the surface roughness is in line with the movement which the piece would see in action. Therefor (in my brain, at least), it should wear less and produce less friction than the semicircle pattern a mill would leave.

[@Rustinox]

And the surface finishis much better than on the mill.

[@jonsworkshop]

Great video Rusti, before I make my lathe tool holders (how did you know?), I need to make myself some rails and clamping fixtures etc. Thanks for the very useful video! Cheers, Jon

[@Rustinox]

Well, I didn't know...

[@mrayco]

Impressive thank you

[@Rustinox]

Welcome.

[@martindietrich2011]

I think the shaper I'd the better choice for the dovetail Shapers tend to cut very straight A milling machine leave always circular scratches in the workpiece

[@Rustinox]

You're right, Martin.

[@joell439]

This explanation is amazingly complete and concise. Thank you so much for all the effort you must have expended to teach us how along with the added humor that transcends all native languages (I especially like the pussy joke) 👍👍😎👍👍 One day I hope to find a shaper to add to the arsenal of metal cutting tools in my shed.

[@Rustinox]

Thanks Joel. I'm sure one day you will find a shaper.

[@ronaldfontanilla7062]

How about straight slotting inside can you make a blog sir thanks nice job

[@Rustinox]

I showed this in my gear cutting series.

[@stefang5245]

nettes video zu schwalbenschwanzführungen. mir fehlt hier aber wie beim originalteil die einstellleiste. die höchste präzision hilft nichts wenn der verschleiß kommt und man nicht nachstellen kann. zur präzision sei noch gesagt, dass das ausgangsmaterial bzw die parrallelität des ausgangsmaterials entscheidend ist für den schwalbenschwanz. jede minimale abweichung übernimmt man wenn man das werkstück ausspannt und umdreht. präziser wird es wenn man es tatsächlich eingespannt lässt und für seite 2 den hobelkopf auf die andere seite schwenkt. einstellen kann man ihn dann mit einem winkelendmaß. ist auch zu empfehlen bei seite 1, da man ja einen fixen winkel erreichen will und nicht irgend ne krumme zahl, die sehr schlecht reproduzierbar ist.

[@Rustinox]

The angle of this dove tail is not 60° (more or less 55°) so, to reset the same angle to the other side with the tool slide is very difficult. The methode I used (with the fence) is repeatable and works very well.

[@haroldpearson6025]

Something that annoys me is when someone says "I rough it out on the shaper ready for the milling machine". A shaper is every bit as accurate as a milling machine.

[@Rustinox]

Absolutely. And the finish is much better.

[@haroldpearson6025]

@@Rustinox What is missed is the independence of tooling with a shaper that uses single point tooling. Milling cutters are expensive and difficult to sharpen.

[@cooperised]

Maybe I need a shaper. 🤔

[@Rustinox]

Could well be :)

[@Engineerd3d]

Before watching this video. Yes I need to cut some dovetails. Need to make some tools for the lathe.

[@Engineerd3d]

Ok watched the video. Yes! Very informative!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks.

[@chakkalert]

Need a job shepar machine

[@Rustinox]

One day you will find one. For sure.

[@glenncpw]

I have only ever had two mills, a rong fu & now a clone. I only ever made the tool holders using a cheap dove tail cutter from china, I used the same idea as you did, rough out the centres and then the angles: only I cheated took the tool post from the lathe and test fitted it when I did the cuts. Not smart enough for the measuring .... Good onya

[@Rustinox]

Absolutely nothing wrong with test fitting.

[@daveunderwood6498]

Like TOT says, The only thing you can't make with a shaper is a profit. lol

[@Rustinox]

The typical statement made by people who doesn't know how to operate a shaper :)

[@daveunderwood6498]

@@Rustinox It doesn't say much for you being a machinist and not knowing This Old Tony and also his sense of humor. You could learn something...but then again, probably not.

[@Rustinox]

@@daveunderwood6498 I like Tot very much. He has a fantastic channel. The problem is that people keep repeating that shapers are slow. I've prooven several times on my channel that they aren't.

[@jdmccorful]

"Enlightening", enjoyed watching; thanks!

[@Rustinox]

Thanks John.