Cutting the Smash Roster in Half

[@onlykflow]

seeing my main get removed for not having enough yaoi is definitely a choice

[@KindaTired909]

I haven't watched the video yet and seeing this out of context both concerns me and makes me laugh. Who's your main?

[@KindaTired909]

HOLY SHIT THAT'S WHO!?

[@octo6472]

​@@KindaTired909 LMAO

[@onlykflow]

@@KindaTired909 8:14 i mean kid icarus isnt popular but that's the example he used (also i commented this before finishing the video)

[@zathanz0]

We Pit mains are far and few between. The franchise isn't as popular. We just gotta face it. XD Just gotta hope Hades wasn't right with waiting another 20 years.....

[@CloverChats]

Alax, you take Daisy off the roster, you mess with all of Sarassaland. All of its…like one to two members.

[@relaxalax]

♦

[@CaptainCat101]

Oof

[@taylorcorbett8848]

Who the fuck thinks Daisy is that great

[@charajaznao2829]

@@taylorcorbett8848 HI I'M DAISY

[@mythos6308]

Rest in Piss Daisy fans Waluigi sweep next game

[@CaptainForestFalcon]

Oh hey, Captain Falcon survived. Was like finding that one precious heirloom that survived after the entire rest of the house burned down.

[@switchedup5834]

He says captain falcon is more important to smash legacy than Fox which is nuts. I think they both should've stayed and one of the Pokemon go

[@Gilburrito]

​@@switchedup5834 He was probably thinking of old school KZbin. "Falcon punch!" Was a big meme back then for who knows why. Nowadays I think most smash fans would agree Fox is one of the main characters of the franchise.

[@Acepilot8Gaming]

I agree. We got too many damn pokemon now. Gotta cut them down​@@switchedup5834

[@innocentzbat]

@@switchedup5834 He means officially, realistically Fox is only as iconic as he is bc of Melee players, which has nothing to do with Sakurai, HAL, Nintendo, or the Star Fox series as a whole

[@KeDe1606]

Captain Falcon is basically Smash Bros royalty. There‘s a reason people’ve been making jokes about him being a Smash Bros character, and not an F-Zero one, for ages. It doesn’t matter if he’s top, mid or bottom tier, he’s always among one of the most popular fighters in each of these games. Meanwhile, Fox (and by extension Falco) is mainly known for being really really good in one singular game (a game that is also really only popular with the hyper competitive crowd) and that’s it. Ask any Smash player what their opinion on Fox is, and there’s at least a 95% chance they’re gonna talk about how good he is in Melee and nothing else. If we were to live in an alternate universe where a character like Doctor Mario (or dare I say Jigglypuff or the Ice Climbers) was the god of Melee instead of Fox, I‘d doubt that any one of you would be whining about him hypothetically getting cut from a non-existent future installment like you’re doing right now. And that’s the thing. This is all hypothetical. A neat little thought experience. Not some proclamation that Nintendo should delete these characters this instant. If there was ever going to be another Smash game (which is unlikely given Sakurai literally said himself that Ultimate is the last Smash game he‘ll ever work on), then every single character that has ever appeared in this franchise will return. After Ultimate, they couldn’t afford not to. There would be more outrage than literally every single Pokémon controversy in this last decade combined, and that’s saying A LOT. So I really don’t understand why some of you here are already getting so defensive about this topic

[@Boostifer]

Was holding my breath for Sonic and then I remembered that man at this current era in time is lowkey a pop culture phenomenon with consistent releases ranging from games, comics, movies etc., total no brainer in hindsight

[@___________0Z0X]

Rip megaMan. 11 sold well, but that was the last new game he got.😭

[@ivanmegafanboy1981]

​@@___________0Z0Xit only sold better than megaman 2 because there is just more people in the world

[@___________0Z0X]

@@ivanmegafanboy1981 keep coping.

[@orzi_gami]

Although Sonic is popular now, I would say his legacy is worth much more than “what he’s doing now”. That goes for every character, I’d say Banjo should be kept as he represents the N64 era. (Though not particularly well, considering how derivative he is, and the N64 era is known for its uniqueness and creativity.) Also, mildly surprised nobody in the replies claimed Sonic is unworthy of being kept in.

[@Boostifer]

@@orzi_gami right but this is also influenced by a "Smash 1 if it was made now" context. Nowadays Smash IS focused on covering video game representation bc there's so many characters how could they not. But for a Smash 1 in today's world? I hardly believe Banjo would even be a thought Not that they're not of importance, but a lot of these niche characters, without Smash, would be considered dead in today's world. And I don't mean that in a cynical way, it's just that if the Smash franchise started now?? They just, wouldn't be a thought Same way ppl forget some characters have had multiple voice actors simply bc one has been playing the character for so long (analogy) Nothing cynical, I just understand Alax's prompt

[@bubbline1334]

"what if Nintendo hated us but more" As someone who recently had a very heated discussion about Nintendo with some friends, this rings very true

[@castform7]

What was the discussion about if you don't mind me asking? I'm curious.

[@NovaMaster375]

Bro don't leave us hanging

[@KidAL0]

A question cannot be true

[@joyconbulb3743]

You were probably in the wrong

[@Irish_Enderman]

​@@joyconbulb3743 why do you assume that despite not knowing what the discussion was about OR their side in it? Wtf are you talking about?

[@Starcronix]

Seeing Banjo get cut is like watching The Lion King. You know what’s gonna happen, it just stings every time. RIP 🧩 🪕

[@chrisbeach423]

He was the 2nd most voted for character on the ballot. I even voted for him 🤣 Him and Sora aren’t going anywhere.

[@Rainstorm_100]

@@chrisbeach423cope

[@SleepyLuigi]

Yeah.

[@Deadpool-ri3rq]

@@chrisbeach423I’m sorry Sora is GONE. They don’t wanna deal with Enix AND Disney.

[@chrisbeach423]

@@Deadpool-ri3rq He was the most requested character. Disney had no problem letting him get into smash. Also Nintendo and Square are on good terms. We got Cloud, Hero, Sephiroth and Sora all in the game? Sora is owned by Disney not Square. Which is why Disney’s name has been in the credits since Sora’s addition.

[@lumapmeow]

I've yet to see a "cut the roster" video cut both animal crossing characters

[@caikedelivery3736]

I think you just need Isabelle tbh

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

​@@caikedelivery3736 Because she's a bell-

[@mgbrad5018]

It is too big of a series for them now

[@roachdoggjr7020]

@@mgbrad5018fr after new horizons it all feels different

[@startoast4787]

i swear i saw one a few months ago that cut villager but not Isabelle, the explanation being she's basically the new face of animal crossing.

[@Danominator]

"if Nintendo hated us." Umm- "...but more." There it is.

[@originalusername6605]

Wii fit foreshadowing, masterful story telling, the principal of chekov’s gun… Shakespeare means nothing to me

[@MashupProductions22]

1:15 voice reveal

[@noahsryan]

Real

[@Irish_Enderman]

True, I don't think I've ever heard him meow Absolutely adorable

[@lazarusmekhane439]

Alax brings up a good point near the end of the video; when people attempt to cut the roster down, a lot are going down the corporate route of 'well this character sold more, so they're more deserving of a spot', even though Nintendo isn't meant to be this ultra-corporate company that values only sales, but rather values experimentation. If they did halve the roster, Nintendo would still keep some of the weirder examples because they feel those characters are unique enough to warrant a spot.

[@randomduck8679]

But he cut Starfox because of sales

[@TogitsuRose]

Most of his choices were based on who sold more games, though. Count how many times he refers to a sales list.

[@jozendesu]

only people that finish the vid will get this

[@CyanPrince]

I forgot he was bald so hard i thought that was stock footage at the end for a sec 😂

[@1thedanfan949]

Wat

[@BlazeBops]

Alax, Relax dude.

[@joshuagrahambrown]

Finally, I’ve waited like eight years for this sequel!

[@relaxalax]

STOP NOOOO

[@Lampent12]

Okay, let's just see how "unbiased" Alax can be, no way Joker isn't getting- **Slashes Joker in favor of Pythra and Byleth** Oh... he ain't kidding around 👀💧

[@leohernandez8751]

Yeah if Nintendo were to go this route….. *The cuts next game are GONNA. HURT.* Best case scenario, Joker stays in ONLY because Royal released for the Switch and sold extremely well. Plus maybe Violet as a bonus choice to represent Royal. *WORST CASE SCENARIO.* Joker gets cut and MAYBE, Makoto Yuki takes his place since Persona 3 Reload is technically the newest entry in the franchise as of right now if P6 isn’t released or even announced at that point.

[@walucidamn]

​@@leohernandez8751 mid case scenario he gets cut for yu narukami or teddie

[@leohernandez8751]

@@walucidamn Yeah true, plus this would be Yu Narukami’s…….. fourth time appearing in a fighting game counting the 2 Persona 4 fighting games and the Blazblue crossover game if he were included in Smash. Teddie would be a funny pick tbh.

[@walucidamn]

@@leohernandez8751 i mean persona 4 did somewhat Popularized the persona franchise, and pre-5 yu and/or teddie appeared everywhere (obviously due to being persona 4s protaganist (yu) or mascot (teddie)). I wouldn't be surprised if atlus chose to include a persona 4 rep in the next super smash bros.

[@leohernandez8751]

@@walucidamn True, while Makoto technically saved the franchise from extinction, Yu helped the franchise flourish into the beast it is today. So yeah., I wouldn’t be surprised or even against having Yu Narukami join Smash. Like I said earlier, the other alternatives are Makoto Yuki from Reload specifically or the new MC of Persona 6 if it’s been released at the time of the new Smash game’s announcement or release.

[@draxon2006]

"why are you in the comments already?" He read me like a book!

[@Creepy___]

there comes a time in every gaming youtubers life when they have to ask themselves: "how can I fuck up the smash roster?"

[@bigbonesbrian]

“I SAWED THE SMASH ROSTER IN HALF” - Phil Swift, Flex Tape

[@JaxlaOnlo]

"And repaired it with only Captain Flex Tape!"

[@GrizbyK72]

The one that always hurts the most for me is King K Rool. I’ve been dreaming of him in smash since like 2008, and when he finally showed up he became a phenomenon. A lot of love for him and DKC came back, and was born for the first time in certain players. But on paper, the cut makes sense…

[@heliumpai7627]

THIS MAN GETS IT!! I would murder Diddy (Kong) in the streets just to have Snake or K Rool- it's very goofy to say that Snake isn't a major 3rd party

[@Magibatproductions]

Watching this made me realize I'm not built for these discussions cuz I had a mental breakdown at every stage lmao

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

I had a breakdown when he disrespected Marth, I was about to explode

[@nickploosvanamstel5832]

As someone who frequently makes stages in Stage Builder, every stage I had to make sure it's properly alligned with a 2x2 grid. Thanks, Steve. Get cut.

[@SaturnYoshi]

But we want more characters, not less...

[@relaxalax]

Yeah I'm of the opinion the next Smash Bros. will have over 100 characters so fear not, this is just a stupid horrible video idea.

[@SaturnYoshi]

@@relaxalax Ehh, you're good. 👍🏼

[@Valhalla05]

Smash 6 finna pull a Street Fighter 5 and cut the roster to 16

[@dominicyeomans8107]

​@@Valhalla05Thank God. All the smash characters are the same. They need to fix that

[@toxic0470]

@@dominicyeomans8107 bait used to be believable

[@googamp32]

You really only have to keep Zero-Suit Samus and Banjo.

[@CR1MSONACE]

And Ness, but you're only allowed to use Side B.

[@gamingyoshifanatic4082]

Also I feel atleast Fox could also still be in

[@De_an]

The characters with the most sex appeal.

[@snickrdoodle_skywalker]

​@@De_anthen add wario

[@uhmilktea]

Keeping Steve in? Yeah, you're blocked

[@theSato]

100% lmao

[@parasyte_exe]

Looking Cool, Alax

[@Lysvsyl]

Bold decision to start with including steve, cutting the watch time in half.

[@cuckhands]

He said he's cutting EVERYTHING in half. Why not start with the watch time (i joke alax, i really like your videos)

[@theSato]

I watched til the end but yeah that was already a "you already burnt it, sorry" moment

[@Pedro999Paulo]

This is the best cut the roaster in half I ever seen, no bias and bullshit, like no "oh but the original 12 are untouchable", Jigglypuff was almost cut in Brawl and we are talking about literally half. If you think that make no sense, its because cutting in half makes no sense, Nintendo will not do that

[@relaxalax]

That last point is exactly where I sit. This will never happen. I think the next game will have cuts sure, but in all likelihood it will be a game with +100 characters.

[@charziz6693]

I think the sentiment of a Smash game with 20-30 characters and no returning movesets has become more popular as of recently but will that ever happen? I think since Ultimate was so Ultimate many people don't want bigger anymore and want something scaled back, maybe that's why this became a trend in the first place. Personally I want it but how good does that game look from a marketing perspective? The most iconic thing about Smash IS it's marketing. I have major doubts that they'll be willing to change anything after this video.

[@CR1MSONACE]

No, the problem is they're thinking too small. We don't need over 40 characters cut. We need everyone EXCEPT Jigglypuff cut. And add Dr. Eggman, but specifically Alfred Snapcube's Eggman.

[@gamingyoshifanatic4082]

Admittedly I feel cutting Fox is a bit too far, especially if you keep Captain Falcon. But apart from that it's an ok list

[@muttweedz]

@@charziz6693 Holy moly no. Nobody wants less content dude. You Nintendofans now pretend we all do but we don't. Thank heavens I steal their games because fans like you make the prospect of buying into their ecosystem so unappealing.

[@BagMonster]

Duck Hunt is the premier retro character. He's the kingpin of this. You know this too, Alax. You can't run from your past.

[@theSato]

mario, donkey kong and pacman are the premier retro characters thoughever

[@jacobwalters]

Fear not, you cooked with the ingredients and recipe you were given. Be proud.

[@matthiass._.]

Yeah, I'd say he did pretty good. the only two I think should be cut are greninja and metaknight, though I don't know for what.

[@sonarchy5158]

​​@@matthiass._. I'd say add Ryu or Terry There are no Fighting game rep ; and while Street Fighter is a safe pick, SNK is huge in South America

[@ComputerRaid]

Last time I was this early to a RelaxAlax video, Ultimate had more than half of its roster!

[@SmashedTomatoes]

I wish you had said "I have some light reading to catch on" and then picked up the entire lamp at the end.

[@byronvonedmund]

And remember - NEVER cut Chrom

[@DisposableDisposition]

He’ll get his chance another day

[@l30n88]

I feel like Robin fits the series rather than Chrom.

[@typemasters2871]

In my opinion, if the roster was cut down to 41 I would try to fit in as many unique franchises as possible (I.E. 1 Mario rep, 1 Zelda rep, 1 Metroid rep, etc) There are some who could be considered a representative of two different series (DK representing DK Country and Mario franchises) so there would be considerations as to “could we risk this franchise getting a second rep in order to represent an additional series?” And then finally Captain Falcon and the Mii Fighters would need to be included because captain falcon essentially represents the smash series itself, and Nintendo would want Miis so that they can sell us Mii Costumes as DLC

[@Madchimpz]

Agreed except Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon definitely need at least a few reps each. There are some franchises that are very popular but don't need more than one character to represent the series, like Animal Crossing and Minecraft.

[@typemasters2871]

@@Madchimpz Zelda you either have only Link or you have Link, Zelda, and Ganon Pokemon there’s Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer being the guarantied representations Mario is definitely an interesting series because besides Mario, Peach, and Bowser, there is also Luigi for Luigi’s Mansion, DK for DK Country, Wario for WarioWare, and Yoshi for Yoshi’s Island

[@brytilaar]

I hope that we get a Professor Layton Character in this franchise one day.

[@typemasters2871]

@@brytilaar Well technically you can make a Layton Mii swordfighter, so there's at least that

[@brytilaar]

@@typemasters2871 And I also want Klonoa and Aero the Acrobat in this game as well.

[@joslide]

cutting sora and ryu but keeping fucking bowser jr is insane

[@___________0Z0X]

Yes.

[@XBC3403]

@@___________0Z0X im more surprised he kept steve.

[@___________0Z0X]

@@XBC3403same.

[@jeremiahhester6408]

As a Nintendo character, he's more important than both of them combined

[@___________0Z0X]

@@jeremiahhester6408No.

[@manupm9161]

Imagine cutting the kid Icarus franchise and not freaking little Mac...

[@danielpenate77]

Let's cut it in 4's next time

[@cofagrigusfan24]

I understand why people usually cut R.O.B. as people don't know how important the robot is to Nintendo's history he was the reason, why the NES flew off the shelves

[@champion_ofcloud-var]

no i think nintendo marketed rob as having an nes accessory to try and wedge the nes into america and mario 1 actually saved gaming idk

[@INFERNO95]

Rob had nothing to do whit nintendo selling off the shaves it was super mario bros. Nobody care about Rob he was discontinued few years after nes was released. You know nothing.

[@champion_ofcloud-var]

@@INFERNO95 wow

[@jennytulls6369]

I think if you want to represent that side of the NES, you have two options: R.O.B and Duck Hunt, since the Zapper had the same goal as R.O.B. I would personally keep Duck Hunt over R.O.B, I just think the dog is more iconic

[@Mimi.1001]

I guess R.O.B. restored the reputation of / trust in gaming consoles, because he helped market the NES as a toy, not as a game console (Thus, stores actually began selling NESs after the crash). But people didn't buy the NES for R.O.B., he got like two games, both far from bestsellers, and was discontinued after that. At the very least, people dared to try out Super Mario Bros. instead.

[@KindaTired909]

Honestly, now I want to see your 2am brain cut ultimate's stage selection in half. I need to see what I'm working with once I decide to mod my switch and joking use this video as a template.

[@koreyworey6345]

Ultimate has a lot of quantity and quality, but it focuses slightly more on the quantity, so I imagine that the next super smash Bros game (which will be like a reboot since ultimate was sort of like a finale) would have lots of quality and quantity, but it will slightly focused more on the quality, doing stuff like remaking some old characters.

[@toonatic220]

If smash related today there would not be 3 mii fighters

[@ZachHonest]

my hot take is not cutting any charcters on the roster at all 😈💀

[@SeanWheeler100]

Same. Or if you have to cut characters, only cut five characters like they did in Brawl and Smash 4.

[@NintendoFlashShorts]

One thing I never see with "cutting the Roster" videos is merging character together like Bowser Jr, you can get quite a few extra spaces if characters that are very similar to each other only take one spot, as if they are a costume but still act differently. Mario and Dr Mario, marth and lucina, Roy and chrom, Ness and Lucas, villager and issabelle, even ryu and Ken, just make them one fighter with slightly different attributes

[@----x-----]

or just make them skins, make them literally the exact same thing, Dr Mario should just be Mario with a labcoat not a different character to develop and balance and learn to play as and against

[@Switcheroo4542]

Take that Ryu and Ken comment back

[@superlagbro192]

We call those "Echo Fighters" around these parts.

[@ender7278]

Ness and Lucas play pretty differently. They share some specials but that's about it. It's like merging Mario and Luigi.

[@theSato]

@@----x----- no way, it's piss easy to tweak some attributes slightly but keep basically the same bones and moveset. Dr. Mario and Mario having different properties makes them actually have unique fans and mains, its a huge deal that costs nothing to do.

[@chaos3584]

8:05 "This is gaming!" Literally cuts PAC-MAN

[@robertwalle3565]

NO FR that one was a choice for sure

[@Lord_Marquaad]

Who still think about pac-man, especially with eyes

[@metaknightjudgesyoursins4710]

@@Lord_MarquaadHe’s iconic bro Who doesn’t know Pac Man? Be real

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

​@@Lord_Marquaadliterally any game that grow up with games pre-2010

[@Thelilwestern]

Cutting Fox and not Falcon is a wild move to make in a video where you parade around saying “I’m not biased” and “I’m thinking in terms of modern Nintendo guys”

[@AnimimoCoconut]

I will find your location MY KING K ROOL NOOOOOOOO

[@swanletsecondchannel8533]

Seeing Fox get removed and then hearing the reason why made me remember that he actually has games I only know him as the icon for competitive melee

[@TheRealBatabii]

> two Xenoblade characters, zero Kid Icarus characters, zero Mother characters, zero Star Fox characters. And you still had to keep Captain Falcon despite all these more important franchises getting cut. > cutting Megaman but NOT Greninja > keeping both Isabelle and villager even though they're mostly the same > basing your impressions on the popularity of fandoms entirely on sexualized fanart

[@TheRealBatabii]

> complains about not having a Star Fox game in ages despite the fact that other than F zero 99 there's been none of them for decades Just because of one singular meme attack

[@randomduck8679]

Pokemon over Mega Man makes sense. He cut Joker even though he met the fan art criteria and is from his favourite game.

[@PerkyPyra]

Gotta give some props that you at least consider that North America isn't the only region in the world that has characters they enjoy. Most youtubers would take Fire Emblem and Xenoblade out as their first choices, leaving two entire Nintendo IPs without any reps at all because: "annie-may bad and not thing I specifically remember and like from when I was a kid". Entirely ignoring their overseas popularity, as well as their ever rising reception in the west as well.

[@GeneralShyGuy7]

Fire Emblem literally sells more in the west. Whenever Fire Emblem fans talk sales they act like it's really niche and overhated here, but it sells more in the west. Obviously "the west," is more than just NA and is a larger region than just a singular country, but it's not like Japan eats the games up. Fire Emblem used to sell more in the East, but it's just not the case anymore. If we're talking about "ignoring overseas popularity," why are we not keeping Hero? DQ is actually insane in Japan more than NA and is a more significant series than both Fire Emblem (who IS over repped let's be honest. Keep Marth, Chrom, Robin rest can go) and Xenoblade (honestly I just don't like XB2, it's my least favorite so I'm much happier with just Shulk).

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

​@@GeneralShyGuy7idk dude Engage was a flop that has been forgotten about in the fanbase

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

@@GeneralShyGuy7 chrom can go too, ike is the fan favourite he should stay instead of him

[@pixelatedink955]

​@@AzumarillConGafasBv What kind of take is this? Having fun gameplay, the best fire emblem graphic style, and selling 1.6 million is a flop game? Sure sure.

[@tedgonzalez985]

Honestly, out of all the "Cut the Roster in Half" videos I've seen, this is the most well-put together one imo. And maybe with a roster this smol, characters like Donkey Kong or Ganondorf can get more development time into giving them more faithful movesets, so there's a LITTLE bit of positivity to have with this.

[@leohernandez8751]

I think the majority can agree that especially the 64 cast NEEDS to have their move sets updated each character since 64 has gotten new games and more moves to pull from to give them a fresh new take while also still keeping them iconic. Plus the 64 move sets over years have DEFINITELY shown their ugly cracks over time at this point.

[@___________0Z0X]

DURIAH!!!

[@darckense1]

Fuck off no it wasn’t you tarded clown

[@tedgonzalez985]

@@leohernandez8751 Yes, exactly. Mario, for example, I think they can give him some more faithful and representative moves and still keep him as the "basic starter" character he's always been. Some mods of Project M give him some moves like Cappy for his Side B, a Super Leaf for Up B and some new normals like a Down Air Ground Pound, Up Air Upward Punch, but still keep a couple of moves like Forward Air and his tilts. It'd take some work, but it's definitely possible.

[@ItsAZues]

The roster looks like a businessman's financial plan.

[@NicoleMay316]

Cutting Pit was the only decision that actually pissed me off.

[@mcrsrm]

Dude just cut the best Smash character, Fox. I don't use him, but a LOT of people do, especially from the Melee days.

[@EWOODJ]

But do they like Fox for Fox or just because of how he plays?

[@theSato]

Yeah he's way too iconic of a character to cut. Insanity to be like "we need 3 kirby characters" "we need Wii Fit Trainer who isnt even an actual character and is only played by a tiny minority of players" -- and then be like "we're cutting Fox and Jigglypuff, two of the most iconic characters in the Smash scene" (especially Fox since it's erasing an entire franchise)

[@Rusty_Spy]

@@theSatonot to mention keeping Sonic and Steve, or any third party while cutting out entire Nintendo franchises

[@SmartCreeper456]

Hear me out... Brawl roster.

[@___________0Z0X]

You are indeed cooking.

[@AlifHaiqalTheGoat]

Brawl roster, cut some stinkers, replace some shiners from 4/Ultimate and done

[@Silenrea]

"The ones that best represents Nintendo." Leaves in Minecraft Steve which is part of Microsoft. This tickles me.

[@TheStylishSpy]

Incineroar being flavour of the month. Competitive Pokémon community: "We just wanna talk to him" *loads gun*

[@500werewolf]

Seeing Byleth as one of your first three survivors triggered me a lot more than I thought it would.

[@Ghostabo]

At least his reasoning is sound, I too would've picked Byleth to stay

[@kamishin7135]

They do represent the playing style of Fire Emblem better than other characters because they also use the Axe, Spear and Bow, you know, the weapon types from Fire Emblem

[@___________0Z0X]

Stay focused.

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

In function they just play mostly like a swordie though. A half caster like Robin gives more actual variety.

[@MikalEdmunds]

Dawg, big respect for adding Ness back in at the end. Even though Mother sales aren’t great in the west, it’s retrospective impact and influence is undeniable - and is more popular than ever. Even if he wasn’t in, great video ^^

[@theundertalegamers9055]

42 slightly differently playing Incineroars. Megaman as a treat (DLC only).

[@loool72]

sir please dont take bayonetta from us

[@___________0Z0X]

Platinum games already did.

[@loool72]

@@___________0Z0X bayonetta 3 did not happen and doesnt exist! :)

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

Glad to see xc2 getting respect here. Pyra and Mythra remain the most popular and iconic members of the series even post xc1 remake and xc3. Huge star power for an up and coming series. They can fit 3 reps with an xc3/4 member for sure.

[@noahsryan]

Wow, an Alax video getting recommended to me within a day of it being posted!? Yayyy 🎉

[@relaxalax]

We love to hear it!

[@ninjakirby777]

The humongous balls on this man to keep byleth considering how the smash fan base reacted at the time.😅

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

I know they're just video game characters but this video was military grade torture. At least Yoshi survived this one.

[@tigerdactyl6958]

Rip, my melee and ultimate mains got cut; being falco and piranha plant. But samus, diddy kong and greninja lived.

[@Moss_Dude]

So many people have done this already, and I can tell before even watching that this is going to be the first good one

[@maxwelllirref6037]

Wow, a Nintendo KZbinr who actually recognizes Xenoblade. Thank you Alex

[@maxwelllirref6037]

Nevermind I got to 15 minutes

[@ImTheGuy]

Cuts Pac-Man but keeps little mac. Actual Psychopath behavior

[@Aidswayz]

Y'know, I was gonna disagree with this list, but then I remembered that this is all just Alax's opinion and it's okay to disagree. (That's all a lie. Alax looks fucking ripped in this video and if I disagreed I'm afraid he would beat the shit out of me parasocially and socially)

[@tigglesbruh]

1:47 and im already done

[@charajaznao2829]

Taking away the King of kremblins and leaving a doggy doggy clone. PREPOSTEROUS

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

I know right!

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

In reality, none of the original 12 would get cut.

[@gligarguy4010]

14:06 This was actually a pretty good list, just a few minor complaints. Like I don't see there being 5 Pokemon in a halved roster, and the weakest link here is clearly Mewtwo (unless something big happens with him in Legends ZA). And keeping Steve over Pacman when Bamco is probably making the next game again is just odd, we know who Nintendo will favor.

[@darckense1]

It’s not a good list.

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

THANK YOU, FOR CUTTING JIGGLYPUFF! I'm so sick of every 'Cut the Roster video' keeping her solely because she's "part of the original 12", like that should negate the fact that she's in the top 5 most cuttable characters in this whole roster. And the fact that this fan created rule almost still didn't save her from previous Smash games says all that there is about how irrelevant she is to keep. While you made other cuts I wholeheartedly disagreed with, I'm just glad you didn't disappoint me with with getting rid of Jigglypuff.

[@leohernandez8751]

Plus even in Brawl, it was confirmed that Jigglypuff was SUPPOSED to be cut, but due to time constraints she was kept on the roster. In a newer Smash game, I don’t think legacy status is gonna save her next time.

[@liljon042]

Jigglypuff being part of the original 12 really should have no bearing on whether or not to cut it. In which case, Puff ABSOLUTELY needs to go if we were to cut anything from the original roster. Everyone else just feels too iconic imo

[@roykooper902]

Best one of these videos I've seen by far just off that first dlc cut. Edit: Now that I've finished I agree with your original cut entirely except for 2 characters. Those being Wii Fit Trainer for Pac-Man because the Miis represent the Wii fair enough, and Bowser Jr for Rosalina and Luma for the more unique puppet fighter while still being an iconic Mario character.

[@roykooper902]

Plus having Mario, Sonic, Pac-man, and Steve all in one free for all I believe looks good for the game,.

[@RILEYSWORLD1]

The Cuts that got me raging 1. King K Rool 2. Ryu 3. Mega Man 4. PAC-MAN 5. Cloud 6. Robin 7. Pit 8. Jigglypuff 9. Fox McCloud 10. Ness

[@Kaiser25]

The final roster with the swaps at the end was actually good

[@QuJee]

Putting Captain Falcon in while cutting Fox and co despite both series being irrelevant nowadays was certainly a choice

[@DrSurgeonGuy]

The worst part about this video was finding out Alex smokes.

[@relaxalax]

I don’t! I specifically did it for the scene!

[@DrSurgeonGuy]

@@relaxalax And some say he's still smoking to this very day... RIP Alex.

[@s.a.k.i7768]

We will ALL miss him when the lung cancer will make him all quit us 😮‍💨😔...

[@RILEYSWORLD1]

bruh you would have to include Fox, Ness & Jigglypuff because One of the Rules of cutting the Smash Ultimate Roster in Half is Legacy and Impact for Smash... so all of the OG 12 Would Return for a Smash 6, IN THE BASE ROSTER!!!

[@LARAUJO_0]

If you're going by "what if Smash was invented today" criteria, this list is perfect except for Wii Fit Trainer and Captain Falcon Fitness games and fighting games serve completely different target audiences, and while Wii Fit sold more because of the high number of casual Wii owners, the protagonist from Ring Fit Adventure would be a more relevant fitness game rep if you had to include one, and they'd easier to design a moveset for because you actually fight people in that game. Also, in what way does Wii Fit Trainer represent the Wii series games more than the Miis? Keeping Captain Falcon because he's iconic makes no sense because he's only iconic because of Smash, which doesn't make sense to use as reasoning if you're doing this in a vacuum. On top of that F-Zero is even deader than Star Fox, with fewer mainline games and the last new game being more than twice as old

[@Nooliroto]

the audio quality and the very definitely never before seen jokes are amazing!!!

[@lucasdellamaggiore]

I'm genuinly baffled and overjoyed as to how Xenoblade managed to thrive over many other franchises in Nintendo's history, the Switch really gave this series a second shot at life when no one believed in it.

[@RILEYSWORLD1]

My Characters 01. Mario 02. Luigi 03. Peach 04. Bowser 05. Yoshi 06. Wario 07. Donkey Kong 08. Diddy Kong 09. King K Rool 10. Mr Game & Watch 11. Link 12. Zelda 13. Ganondorf 14. Samus 15. Ridley 16. Pit 17. Little Mac 18. Fox McCloud 19. Captain Falcon 20. Ness 21. Pikachu 22. Jigglypuff 23. Charizard 24. Greninja 25. Lucario 26. Kirby 27. Meta Knight 28. King Dedede 29. Inkling 30. Olimar 31. Villager 32. Isabelle 33. Shulk 34. Marth 35. Byleth 36. Robin 37. Ike 38. PAC-MAN 39. Simon Belmont 40. Mega Man 41. Steve 42. Cloud 43. Sonic The Hedgehog

[@Hodger88]

1:11 AWWWWWWW 😭 I think this is one of the only times we've heard Cat actually meow instead of the Animal Crossing voice lol

[@spag911]

Who let bro cook 😹

[@theSato]

the kitchen is completely burnt down now

[@tylerrose9758]

The end of the video REALLY pulled it all together, great work!!

[@Milkshak33]

Ok, but why banjo? What did he do to you?

[@zanderlenoir8117]

Bro lookin bulked. You hittin the gym? Editing is still peak. Hope this vid is successful.

[@AwkwardBunny0522]

I don't know why but KZbin has neglected to inform me of any of your uploads for, quite literally, the last year. When I saw this video in my recommended, it made me think you made a comeback. Lol The silver lining here is that I have a whole year's worth of content to enjoy while I spend my weekend at home and removed from the world.

[@nerdtuga9180]

Me in Ultimate DLC: Tough, but fair Me in Base Ultimate: NOT THE BELMONTS!

[@TrueTrickster2016]

I would personally just cut the characters that have similar movesets like the echos except for like Chrom and Ken because they have some differences.

[@DanielRamirez-vn2db]

We will never have an experience like Smash Ultimate ever again unless they just port the game and add in a character or two for the next consoles. The roster will have to be cut down eventually

[@leohernandez8751]

Yep, and I think we can all agree, the cuts this time around for the new Smash game are *GONNA.* *HURT.*

[@cleanupguy3934]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I’d like to propose an alt title: Time to make some people mad

[@Just_a_fan4747]

I think viewing this from only who is important to Nintendo in the modern age is the wrong way to make the roster because you can’t tell me that excluding Castlevania or mega man makes any sense

[@TrevorWolf-gi5gr]

Loved the video you should do a video about what alt costumes would be cool to see fighters have in the next smash game that they dont already have now. So many more references could be included. Ive also seen people ask for dlc customs for characters.

[@samvarthraj630]

15:51 oh god...WHAT IS THAT THING but seriously, having pac-man, sonic, and mario but NOT mega man is a crime

[@FinallyAlone]

The virgin cutting the smash roaster video vs the chad increasing the smash roaster video.

[@Kattail_]

i feel like genuinely I agree with a lot of the decisions, the only ones I kinda disagree with are: Omissions: - I genuinely think Robin is the best rep for awakening, I think them having 3 for just awakening is stupid, but marth has a legacy, byleth has big number, and robin saved the series - I feel like they would fight tooth and nail for Joker, I know the game's influence is mostly relevant with the UI design of ultimate specifically, but I feel like that's not something we could just give up - cloud is easily the most played character online, I know keeping third parties is hard and the final fantasy music we were given proves it, but genuinely I think the fandom would riot without him Additions: - While I think Bowser Jr is important to nintendo and has a unique playstyle, the mario rep feels over saturated and I dont actually think he's really worth keeping? - Lucario's aura mechanic is interesting and the gen 1 over-saturation is really bad, that said I dont feel like lucario's identity as a smash character is strong enough to warrant them staying - while I adore Pythra, I think Shulk is overall more critical to the franchise overall and so I think he more meaningfully represents the franchise and so I think cutting them to make room for my additions while keeping shulk to maintain representation for xenoblade is reasonable i think getting a good representation of gaming is good, though I also think on behalf of it being a fighting game, there also needs to be a good spread of playstyle options as well

[@Decidukip]

If the roster is cut for the next game, then Ice Climbers would stay because of how unique they are. If you’re making this as if none of the other Smash games existed, then Captain Falcon shouldn’t be here.

[@glitchking2801]

Agreed and even if we are looking at past games cutting falcon makes ganondorf more unique and he’s definitely staying

[@captainmilk2691]

Without Captain Falcon, SMASH wouldn't exist. He is literally the origin of the whole game. He's the original character from when the game was still called Dragon King. That was a fun enough spark for the developers to put so many hours into it, they threw Mario and co in just to make it more marketable. "Falcon Punch" is so famous it's on the same level as Hadouken or Kamehameha or the phrases "Finish him" and "Combo breaker". Captain Falcon IS the original Smash Bro.

[@thatclarenceguy]

I’d agree with all of this apart from when he said that Pyra stays because of Japan, and hero (who literally got added exclusively because of Japan) gets cut