CYBERPUNK 2077 Philosophy: Ideas you haven't noticed

What philosophical ideas are hidden in the game Cyberpunk 2077? What Cyberpunk genre tells us about human nature, and why does God play an important role in the game?
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[@ace3154]

I love how it feels like everything in this game was made by somebody who wanted to make a world that actually felt alive the only other games i can say have done that is the elder scrolls games that took many games and a live service mmorpg cyberpunk did it all in one game and a short anime and i will leave it there before i start going yapping about how amazing the music in this game/anime is

[@DIE2dayORelse]

They do have a lot of old source material but I totally agree, it is a lot different than the TTRPG but borrows so many good elements and made a good foundation for things to come ❤

[@AdrianDanielGuard]

CP2077 was one of the few games that stayed in my mind after i played it, for a long time - most games today don't feel as compelling, with a few exceptions. I'm no philosophy expert, haven't read all that much on philosophy. Didn't even know that much about the whole genre, never read the Android Sheep book or others. As a "normie", a few things stood out to me when playing it: how you can find something to "pleasure" you at every corner; how many can even save your life (Trauma Team); everything hyper sexualized; morality being dulled down a lot (you can even hear some Night City residents calling your character "a rare type in this city" if you are the kind of character that keeps his word and is "a decent human"); transhumanist ideas, people loving that they can change even their whole bodies; many more things. Oddly enough, even though this fictional city is nowhere near to be a city/timeline I would like, I liked that the devs made all characters very "human" and full of a wide array of emotions and traits, despite most of them being cybernetically augmented oftentimes completely. Like it was a signal that no matter how much parts a human loses, they still have that "something" that makes them a human being. Even borgs like Smasher (although on the negative spectrum). I especially liked the Sinnerman quest with Joshua. I loved that the developers didn't shy away from depicting religion in general and in this quest. Funny thing is, as an agnostic who now is more of a believer, the dialogue in this quest was so nicely done that I would choose different lines depending if I were still an agnostic or not (i.e. 1. refusing him his wish or 2. actually "helping" him and "believing" in him).

[@snowmanii]

Love your breakdown of the genre, the game, and the themes. You're the only person I've seen being out these points and their philosophical nature.

[@VMUDream]

“The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others-the living-are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to choose between Now and Later. But the edge is still Out there.” ― Hunter S. Thompson, Hell's Angels

[@PedroVoigt]

I love philosophical analysis about pop culture, especially video games! Good job!

[@solinvictus452]

Thank you 🤩

[@DrixPunk]

I honestly thought you missed out with ignoring the buddhist messages, you put a lot of focus on western religion when in night city, buddhist monks roam the streets in mass, i was expecting you to mention the buddhist outlook of a soul

[@solinvictus452]

Hey! Like I said in the video-the philosophical/religious/political messages are literally everywhere 😂 I could cover all of them in one video, but it would take 4 hours for you to watch and 2 months for me to make))

[@orange_turtle3412]

I think one of the most interesting philosophical ideas featured in cyberpunk is its depiction of souls. The idea that a copy of your consciousness can be made and transferred into other bodies really blurs the traditional definition of a soul being a supernatural embodiment of “who you are.” Do engrams have souls? ARE engrams souls? If so, have humans lost the right to their very existence? If one “soul” replaces another, like in V’s case, does that mean souls aren’t actually immortal as we traditionally see them? Can a soul be annihilated by science? Is an engram a human? Does it have human rights? Theres a lot to think about. This becoming reality could completely change our definition of a human being. And, terrifyingly enough, this consciousness transfer stuff is absolutely feasible with real world science. We arent there yet with neural interface technology, but it is very much possible to do.

[@AndrewWilson1991]

Alt Cunningham tells us straight up - "the name fully reflects the essence." Soulkiller - it kills the Soul, while creating a Xerox of the persons mind. Functionally it kills off both the Soul and the mind, as it doesn't transfer the consciousness, it just copies it. There's bound to be errors, and there's evidence of this as most of Silverhands memories are completely distorted. An engram is essentially just a digitized golem trapped in a virtual prison until housed in a proper carrier. In V's case, her Soul ceased to be a part of her when DeShawn plugged her. While she may still be retaining her personality for a bit, she was full-on Soulkilled after the heist and is slowly turning into a golem of Silverhand. The Engram may have most of Johnny's mannerisms, figures of speech, a collection of memories, but it definitely ain't Johnny. The easiest way to think about it is if it's an Engram, it is 100% removed from God. Now, as far as the philosophical aspects of Soulkiller - does it permanently remove the Soul from the entirety of existence, or does it just give it a quick off-ramp back to the spirit realm? If the former, that is a terrifying proposition for science and mankind. The Soul is supposed to be everlasting, a collection of experiences and knowledge gained from multiple physical existences in the bid to reach Nirvana, Heaven, or wherever the final destination is. To have that put in the hands of man is unfathomable hubris.

[@orange_turtle3412]

@@AndrewWilson1991 Exactly. If you make a copy of a person’s consciousness, are they really even the same person? If not, what differentiates them from the person they were copied from?

[@chillociraptor5007]

Excellent vide VOX POP. I would love for you to go deeper into these ideas. So many things I did no notice yet I walked away from the game with a feeling of profundity.

[@transroadwarrior3485]

This is a really good video, man. Good job. I’m a super fan of cyberpunk 2077

[@thewarsmith1078]

I really like these kinds of analyses - am currently writing a fan version of my own continuation of the Cyberpunk world after the Star Ending of 2077, and some of the themes you mentioned will be front and centre - very interesting stuff.

[@solinvictus452]

Hey! That’s actually really cool)) I’m glad to be any helpful☺️ you gonna publish it somewhere? Would be nice to read)

[@sayo2409]

Amazing video!

[@ZacharyDarkes]

I definitely think that there are lessons to be had with Cyberpunk 2077. CDPR was definitely trying to warn us just like Cyberpunk as concept itself and I think the more further we get technology wise the further we get from what mankind is supposed to be.

[@sebvanjole]

Thank you for introduction to cyberpunk philosophy. I came across the idea that we talk about these topics as if they are inherently relevant to lived experience and to a certain degree they are. To another degree it is a fact of prophecy while I believe humanity can still surprise us. We certainly see some of these processes happening now, and it’s refreshing to see you describe it in a matter-of-fact manner. Can I ask what you are studying? All in all well edited & good source and reference material.

[@solinvictus452]

Hi! Thanks a lot for your feedback) I study Law, wbu?

[@sillylittlesheepjax6009]

thkank you for not spending first 5 min abt how bad game launch was and how they fixed it etc. like every cyberpunk2077 video these days. just get to the point without history lessons

[@slamdangles]

As someone whos never been interested in the Cyberpunk genre, this game was big tiddies for me. Like massive, full hangers. CP2077 and MGS2 have really shaped how I view the world.

[@bombrix5195]

For the last probably 5 years (29m) I've been struggling with acceptance of my own mortality. Cyberpunk is the art piece that struck me in the balls. Как говорится, у кого о чём болит, тот о том и говорит. P.S. I know you understood my last sentence

[@solinvictus452]

Двум смертям не бывать, а одной не миновать👹

[@Chinga3000]

U have great voice my guy! I can tell u have brain too haha! Good, very good! I luv philosophy......

[@solinvictus452]

Ty🥹

[@Glorious_Yell0w]

I could only think about why u are wearing a sleep mask with googles ontop on em. Why?

[@solinvictus452]

Trust me-this saves your psyche from witnessing my eye bags😂

[@paulsheldon8838]

I dunno, by the minute 8 you just retold the plot and repeated high tech low life formula of the cyberpunk genre.

[@solinvictus452]

Well it’s kinda impossible to talk about the philosophy of a game without mentioning the plot and genre, right?😅

[@oxringoxo]

Got a point, all in all the game was a total disaster the whole 4 years this far. I often remark that it’s the best story, with best character building, laid on top of unbelievably bad game mechanics. It’s come a long way though. If Orion comes out anything remotely close to how bad 2077 was, it’s over.

[@orbit1894]

Wow what a negative outlook. The game has great mechanics and it got better after the perk overhaul.

[@slashing_S]

I enjoyed the mechanics first, then came to appreciate the world. Straight up had so much fun killing and fighting I didn't pay attention but it was a trear on my second playthrough