Using Joshua Graham's fate to decieve Legate Lanius (Ulysses Speech Route) - Fallout: New Vegas

[@drewthelegend]

I love how he compliments your honor and conviction right after you spent the entire conversation lying your ass off.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

courrier: "i'm definitely not lying dude that's cringe af and i'm not cringe" (he is)

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

@Varsancton yes.

[@CheezeSpartan]

[SUCCEEDED] “Damn. You right” *fucking implodes*

[@MTH3h3l0l]

(Speech 100) "Based"

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@CheezeSpartan SUCCEEDED - Fr no cap, on god? [Speech 100] fr fr SUCCEEDED - He... he's literally me

[@limpshrimps5733]

@Varsancton you just wrote a pretty cringey comment too.

[@KRonSimis]

That man really pulled the "Cmon man now would I lie to you?"

[@bambblamb3734]

I also noticed that with the other 100 speech and 100 barter options Lanius says "Until the day our armies meet again, NCR- I shall wait for you on the battlefield." But when you choose this option he says "Courier" Rather than "NCR". Basically he respects you more than the bear. Or you just choose the wildcard ending because of that robot in the end.

[@alpacalover0]

In a House or Yes-Man Ending he initially calls you an "Envoy of Vegas" and he concludes by calling you Courier if you choose to not fight him.

[@jaisummons2304]

The programmers and writers only had 18 months. I let the leader of the NCR and legion live I had yes man they both say they will come back I would like to see another, 3rd battle of hover dam. Different scripts and your holding NCR from going into Vegas as your troops are defending the dam this time. And I would like to see vault 24 it was supposed to be in the game. Fallout New Vegas 2.

[@genericwhitemale9566]

That's a good in universe explanation but I'm pretty sure it's just because they forgot to assign the NCR ending line for that branch. They didn't have much time to make these DLCs so it's understandable that small things like that would be missed.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

and no matter what the options are stupid as caesar will NOT accept failure, friendly reminder he had joshua thrown down the canyons while set on fire for failing to take the damn, imagine how pissed he'd be at lanius if he came back saying "i got told to fuck off"

[@genericwhitemale9566]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 it's sort of a different situation for Lanius here than Joshua. Joshua didn't fall back on his own volition. He got his army fully wiped out in Boulder City and was forced to retreat otherwise he would've died there. Lanius hasn't lost any sort of big battle like he did. The Legion was winning until the Courier comes into the camp and deals with Lanius (NCR radio is mostly just the guy freaking out about The Legion overwhelming them even if the Courier did quests beforehand to prepare the NCR). While I'm not entirely sure that Caesar would just let him off the hook for retreating like this, it's possible that he'd maybe listen to Lanius this time as Lanius technically didn't lose and only retreated to protect the Legion from becoming what Caesar hates about the NCR. Then again, in the cut post game for New Vegas, Legion Slaves have dialouge talking about how high ranking Legion officers are getting executed for failing at the Dam so it's likely that Lanius would end up getting executed in the end.

[@s1lverrush55]

That awkward moment when the Republic really did overlook such an opening in their defenses

[@tonts5329]

I mean it's mainly due to the incompetent General that's leading the Defence of Hoover Dam. Hence why he gets suckered by the Courier in other endings, particularly the Mr. House ending. Let's not forget that the President of the NCR was almost assassinated at Hoover Dam as well and only survives due to Mr. House and the Courier's actions.

[@tonts5329]

@damsen978 I meant during the Mr. House playthrough, but you are right it's the Courier that keeps the President alive.

[@alexzero3736]

That Awkward moment how NCR is still in control of something in Mojave. They could not even handle prisoners, who owned not just jail but also a town and a vault. I wonder why Powder Gangers is not a major faction in Mojave... Also Legion attacked Searchlight, Nelson... Camp Guardian fallen to wild beasts...

[@tonts5329]

@@alexzero3736 The Powder Gangers are a minor faction due to their size and generally disorganized nature. The Great Kahns would make more sense as a major faction, given they have members spread out across the Mojave too, but they are better organised. The Powder Gangers are basically just criminals, only a slight step above the Fiends and Raiders that Blight the Wasteland. They just don't have that same level of threat as the Legion, NCR or Mr. House's Securitrons. Shown by how easily the Powder Gangers in Nipton were wiped out by what seemed to be a small Legion force.

[@Zachebi]

Without the courier the ncr was like a sick child the whole game

[@umapessoaqualquer3688]

I love how you pretty much say that the NCR is stupid on purpose

[@goodzillo]

>merely pretending

[@digitaldevil696]

I mean, the best lie has a dose of truth in it

[@OhNoTheFace]

More made a dumbass mistake that the legion is about to try and do

[@redlight3932]

Like any true government

[@pancakes8670]

I mean, the NCR is pretty stupid

[@not_ryuka]

The fact that you can get a man like Lanius to retreat just by playing on his doubt and fear of failing Caesar really shows how brutal failure is treated in the legion. Though i’d imagine retreat would be punished even more so, which makes me wonder why he’d retreat instead of fighting to the death?

[@craigdawsonmate2517]

New vegas has the best dialogue in the whole series

[@HESHRocketWarhead]

He wouldn't call it retreat, probably more of regrouping and reinforcing his legion. If you do ask if he's going to retreat at the end, he takes it personally and attacks you anyway. Gotta be careful with how you word things.

[@jnev5572]

@@HESHRocketWarhead Observe great caesar, tis not a retreat, I am strategically relocating with haste

[@thatrandomcrit5823]

@@craigdawsonmate2517 Second only to 2, of course

[@MrAsaqe]

He withdrawn his forces in good faith. Knowing Caesar would at least keep his pride intact and not emboldening the NCR any more than it needs to.

[@jackakakreanxx5587]

In my opinion this is best “peaceful option” since instead of saying things like logistics the legion might become stronger and saying that there is a conspiracy would lead to a great purge which might be good or bad but saying that the ncr incompetence was part of their plan and that might make lanius overly cautious about his next campaign

[@JKgyaru6969]

No peaceful option to these savages. Burn them all like they burned Graham. Do not want them setting foot on the Mojave ever again >:(

[@jackakakreanxx5587]

@@JKgyaru6969 well caesars death might’ve burned them just slowly compared to graham but unlike graham that fire will kill the legion

[@Rb889]

@@jackakakreanxx5587 A slow, ignoble death; Lanius is a leader, and a commander, but knows not how to manage a force, a country the size of the legion without Ceasar. Battles are won by valor and strength, but wars are won by logistics. Killing Lanius would create a power vacuum, and galvanize the Legion to avenge their fallen hero if they avoid infighting and a civil war over leadership. Letting him leave allows the legion to be destroyed by his own incompetence, and simply fall apart.

[@malasian]

I still like doing the Barter options to talked down Lanius. We're essentially teaching Lanius to not neglect logistics.

[@samphillips8188]

@@Rb889 Eh, the Legion is a roaming slaver army. Just because a champion is killed doesn't mean he will be a martyr. Nobody loves Lanius, nobody worships him, his own troops fear him. There's no reason to believe that it would galvanize the Legion to avenge "a fallen hero". No offense, but that's fanfiction. The Legion dies regardless if Lanius is killed or not. But I think it is incredibly unlikely that a man like Lanius becomes a Martyr. He is only defined by his strength, if he loses that then there are few that would respect him and that's discounting everything else mentioned above. In addition, I also take issue with the constant comparison of a the Legion to a nation-state. It isn't the Roman Empire (not that it is a nation state). It's more of a roaming war band of slavers that exacts tribute than a country. There is little reason to think of it as a nation. Ceasar is not a lawgiver, nor is he a ruler of a country. Everything points to him being a warlord. In addition, Lanius isn't as single minded as people like to believe him to be. People in the fandom have a problem with believing the words of NPCs as gospel (Hanlon's dialogue is the best example of this). The Lanius you meet and the Lanius others tell you about are 2 different people. The actual Lanius is rather intelligent and retrospective, most importantly capable of seeing through sunk cost. He's no mad dog. I don't think he can save the Legion, but that's not entirely due to his "incompetence".

[@enternamehere4124]

"Victory is at hand" Said lanius to the man whit some lead still stuck in his brain that just obliterated 98% of his men and is standing in front of him. In his own camp

[@manofironthathasntturnedcr9817]

« You do not fuck with the mailman. » « Do you think- » « I said. You. Do.

[@pabloc8808]

It makes sense for his ideology tho, he's the mightiest warrior of the Legion. He believes if the others fell, it's because they were weak, and now the NCR's mightiest is right in front of him, so he can win by killing the Courier and the rest of the NCR would be pushovers

[@22JC-jq6le]

Even better. By the end of the game most people dont have a brain

[@97Crazysteve]

Lanius also never left his camp to fight in the battle himself. Time to equip him with a metal clown mask.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

​@97Crazysteve you have no clue what he's done or hasn't.

[@carbodude5414]

Turns out, excessively cruel punishments for failure leads to poor morale and paranoid generals

[@hickhok41]

stalin

[@Angstbringer18B]

Carthage, Ottomans ​@@hickhok41

[@concept5631]

​@@hickhok41 hitler

[@WiseOwl_1408]

​​@@hickhok41every dictator. Sadams army didn't fight for him either

[@hickhok41]

@@WiseOwl_1408 hitler didnt have paranoid generals but did have low morale in late 1944

[@USSResolute]

Sparing Ulysses is one of the best decisions you can make. He is a legend in the Mojave just like Graham, Lanius and the Courier. And he will not hurt you just for the sake of reputation. That's a man worth saving.

[@relaxralex]

All he wanted was closure for the city he once knew to have the potential to be greater than both the bear and the legion

[@jefferycrouse4652]

Also the sheer badass moment of you two standing shoulder to shoulder as you face down the Divide's strongest

[@DangoJoey]

i mean he tried to nuke all of the Mojave because he had a mental breakdown over his city getting bombed and instead of looking for the bomber he just went insane and joined Caeser's Legion and then laid waste to dozens of tribes. But yeah, I guess *after* he's done all those horrible things and did nothing whatsoever to atone for it means there's no real reason to get back at him for anything other than revenge for, i dunno, sending about a hundred Marked Men after you and attempting to cleanslate the whole Mojave area through ruining their supply lines and irreparably irradiating a budding area of society for hundreds of generations to come.

[@cowmoo5596]

@@DangoJoey Good, the NCR and Legion are dead ends, they existence only impede the progress of better societies like the Divide

[@LazorJunkieninja]

He almost killed like 100 thousand people for basically no reason lmfao

[@michaely409]

Lanius: but you said it would be dishonorable to trick me Courier: I LIED

[@NaruSanavai]

"iÓrale vato loco! Don't forget my motto, ese! I LIE, I CHEAT, I STEAL!"

[@wanderingwobb6300]

Man that excellent dialogue only for the lanius to "retreat" with the goofiest running animation perfectly sums up this game. There really is nothing like this though. No other game has ever gotten me as engrossed in the world building as New Vegas has.

[@soundgfx7166]

I like how ulysses says he could've tried to kill graham when he was still frumentarii but opted not to, probably out of respect or knowing that the outcome wouldn't be worth it.

[@radishlordrak]

I mean, if you saw that mfer get set on fire and tossed into the Grand Canyon only to just *walk* back to northern Utah and still be able to wage war, you'd have to be insane to fight him

[@bitterleafcastle1552]

He knew Joshua would have domed him with his .45

[@concept5631]

Joshua is a monster after receiving full body third degree burns and being thrown off the Grand Canyon. Imagine how much of an unstoppable force he was in his prime.

[@Aedlmonrl]

​@@concept5631 Joshua Graham at his prime wouldn't reload, he'd just pull out more guns out of his pockets 😂

[@alexconn7473]

Perhaps both

[@SeBushi]

This game has produced 3 of the coolest characters in fallout lore , Legate Lanius , Joshua Graham , and Ulysses. And whoever found the voice actors for these characters should be recognized.

[@paulsmith5752]

I like Hanlon, too. Of course we know he's Kris Kristofferson.

[@Clone4082]

I personally liked Veronica. Her voice actor is Kathryn Felicia Day, who also played as Charlie in Supernatural.

[@jamesn0va]

Only one was cool. The others was obsessed with religion or just outright ranting

[@marianatoscano4896]

Mr. House is a pretty cool evil dude too

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Keith Szrajabajka voiced Joshua Graham - man whose existence is pain yet he chooses to endure it without complaint.

[@AttakusZakus]

That’s the Courier. Can deliver a message with spoken word or hot lead.

[@notfred1233]

If they cannot understand the language of reason, they will understand the language of the sword

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@notfred1233 Swords are dumb Just use chanswords dummy

[@paulsmith5752]

... or refurbished B-29.

[@jmbmntis]

"... I shall wait for you on the battlefield." *sprints away*

[@toxicmale2264]

Sprints? Man bolted faster than a dog seeing a squirrel.

[@pancakes8670]

​@@toxicmale2264Apparently the devs made him really fast as a way of having him close the gap to the player before they could immediately kill him

[@n0denz]

There's something about this game that makes me feel like I'm a part of its history. It was a feeling that first hit me when talking to Johnson Nash about Ulysses: "Yeah, got this look when he saw you next down on the Courier list. His expression turned right around, asked me if your name was for real. I said, sure as lack of rain, you were still kicking. Then he turned down the job, just like that. I asked if he was sure, it was good money. No, let "Courier Six" carry the package, that's what he said - like the Mojave'd sort you out or something. Then he just up and walked out." So many RPGs have you as a chosen one who decides the fate of the world, but I barely ever feel like a part of the world. The fact that you exist and have made a mark in the Mojave prior to the game's start is such a small but significant detail. I don't know why more games don't do this.

[@Red_Beard2798]

Agreed - the games where you play as an objective "Chosen One" constantly portray as something close to a God, constantly praised and admired by the general populace and yet still treated like an ordinary bootlicker most of the time, sent to do some of the most menial shit ever. FNV on the other hand, while it could be argued you are still a kind of Chosen One, you're still just... some Courier who simultaneously got incredibly lucky and incredibly unlucky. And the DLCs go further in portraying you as not that special by showing you other people who have survived things they really shouldn't have - Christine in Dead Money, Joshua Graham etc. The writing is a lot more balanced in New Vegas by comparison to other games and that helps with doing quests both significant and insignificant

[@TheDapperDragon]

It's also an anathema to a Roleplaying game. And while normally, it's a nessecairy evil, New Vegas had a way to avoid that, and instead leapt in with both feet.

[@MistaOppritunity]

Well it probably doesn't help that there is heavy back lash from certain members of the RPG community for giving the player too many details about their character because they want to write their own character.

[@xX_K3LLF1RE_Xx]

⁠@@MistaOppritunity New Vegas starting off with you getting shot in the head is the perfect excuse to roleplay your character as YOU want, since yeah you survived, but a lotta gray matter got wonked up. Also, considering how important the Courier becomes, it really makes me wonder about the other couriers. Like, imagine being Courier Five, send to deliver a solid gold deck of cards, and then hearing the next guy had basically became the ruler of Vegas.

[@amannamedsquid313]

@@xX_K3LLF1RE_Xx When you reach Primm, you can actually find one of the couriers (dead) right next to the entrance to the Mojave express. Even has a delivery order just like the one you start the game with, only difference being the package being delivered (a pair of oversized fuzzy dice).

[@sethgaston8347]

I love how canonically the stronger a character is in Fallout, the more smooth and deep his voice sounds. Frank Horrigan and Ulysses prove that!

[@VioletRM]

this is true, just look at general oliver. dies in one shot, has a generic VA

[@Anunnaki_Gula]

Joshua Graham, too. His .45 shreds anything.

[@yazidefirenze]

Doc Mitchell is G o d

[@-._Radixerus_.-]

@@Anunnaki_Gula Unfortunately, my Tri-Beam Rifle does much more than shred

[@TheHalogen131]

Not to mention the Lieutenant in Mariposa base. I always liked his "sophistication" and he terrified me even more, than Master, when I watched my dad play Fallout 1.

[@Shaman42069]

I just realised that this peaceful option actually might seal the NCR's fate. Essentially you're telling the Legate that his forces aren't sufficient enough, convincing him to hammer down on the bear with the entire Legion force. Perhaps this reinforcement might actually be enough to push all the way into California. I love the depths of this game sm

[@ATigerShark]

Its also possible that with Ceaser dead that the Legion will implode on itself by that time. There's really no telling.

[@EvelynNdenial]

the legion lives on its conquests, too long without victory and it starves. lanius would be pulling all the eastern forces of legion leaving the area unguarded and free to rebel. lanius is not caesar, his fear tactics might hold together his own army but it cant hold together the entire legion you need someone who understands it like caesar or vulpe and you need a figurehead to inspire not just fear. the legion is fucked no matter what. they could do some damage in their death-throes but hoover dam was their last chance for victory.

[@Teixas666]

the only ay the legion survives this would be if it had the leader in the same caliber as Caesar himself and if you got into this fight Va lanius chances are both him and Vulpes are Dead, and there is no indicatino the legion has any other comparable candiate for leadership. if the sucession war doesnt end the legion, itts gonna eat itself once it can no longer push forward. the LEgion Dies with Caesar.

[@mr.k4918]

but two years is enough time for the NCR to set up bunkers and machine gun nests, dig trenches and prepare for the larger force.

[@oake6180]

@@mr.k4918 the corrupt beaucracy would likely delay such an action for at least year, due to resources being sapped north for the brshmin barons

[@3dDoener]

"Graham did not smell the C4 until he entered Boulder....he only smelled victory" is such an unfathomably hard line

[@probincruxiii1727]

Lanius: “It’s unfortunate that Vulpes isn’t here to hear this.” Courier: “Yeah cause he’d know I’m lying.”

[@NoahWeaverRacing]

I didn't even know this path was possible

[@eisendrag]

Thats vegas baby

[@Flustershy]

Well I assume you need to do lonesome road with a correct ending before doing the battle for Hoover Damn. And I feel safe in saying that 99% of the people either do the base game before DLC. Or they do only certain DLC for certain items and then finish the game.

[@kotzpenner]

@@Flustershy but after you finish the game you can’t do the dlc. I guess most people kill Ulysses.

[@Jinars.]

@@kotzpenner I kill Ulysses because he talks too much, then I nuke the Legion.

[@kotzpenner]

@@Jinars. based

[@owendiaram3870]

As far as Lanius is concerned, you told him about the trap so that your own army could take him on in a fair duel. That speaks volumes about how terifying of a presence the Courier has.

[@Mousquetaire-du-Roi]

Having bits of lead in your brain for that long will do that.

[@ryszakowy]

butcher, the terror of the east meets the courier, the drunk mailman so high on every drug possible he doesn't even know wich way is up while leading securitron army across the dam.

[@damiannichols1250]

I've played countless runs of this game and I had no idea this was a thing thank you for sharing

[@kinbolluck476]

INVET DOMEONEBCOULT COUND THEM

[@damiannichols1250]

@@kinbolluck476 the fuck are you even trying to say

[@kinbolluck476]

@@damiannichols1250 ALL KF THE THINGS VRO

[@damiannichols1250]

@@kinbolluck476 English dude

[@Lampshade_Sam]

“I shall wait for you on the battlefield.” *Fastest Man Alive starts playing*

[@krakios3950]

A detail I noticed- Ulysses mentions the Dam would be the twentieth area Lanius has conquered. In _Big Iron_, Texas Red is said to have "One and Nineteen More" notches on his gun, to represent the rangers he's killed in the past. Probably a coincidence, but it's pretty similar and I think that's important.

[@Cantrell9713]

Definitely a coincidence, but 🤯🤯🤯

[@pancakes8670]

This is now canon imo

[@kiri101]

Twenty, or one 'score', is a very common number in old-world aesthetics, particularly the cowboy era (which harkens back to medieval times) and older. This is because many very old counting systems were base twenty rather then ten.

[@demoncore4467]

“He’ll fall on Hoover Dam like a hammer” I always loved that line

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Props to Lanius. When told about a trap and given convincing evidence, he chooses to save his strength for another day. I'm not sure Joshua, back when he was the legate, would've done the same.

[@concept5631]

I think Joshua would've pulled a Horrigan and just be unable to be talked out of violence.

[@nagihangot6133]

"You speak with conviction, but more importantly, with honor."

[@baboonman846]

I would honestly take a New Vegas remastered with fallout 4 engine and graphics over a Fo5. The story is a straight up masterpiece

[@cynicat74]

There's a mod currently working on that exact concept, simply called "Fallout 4: New Vegas"

[@Chuked]

FNV “story” is really short, it basically just revolves around preparing for Hoover Dam, however the RPG elements are amazing and surpass so many games

[@TheRubberMatch]

Honestly modded NV has gameplay equal to fallout 4s

[@MNYQaa]

​@@ChukedYeah honestly. For the longest time I figured Fallout was actually quite a long game but if you just follow the main quest, you can get to Hoover Dam pretty soon after killing Mr. House.

[@matthewfeathers7793]

@@cynicat74all those super ambitious mods never see the light of day it’s like skyblivon where they are putting oblivion up to Skyrim’s gameplay and graphics they’ve been “working” on that for like a decade

[@Zutakameku1]

Ulysses voice actor Fucking did such a good job

[@patnewbie2177]

I know. People complain about the dialogue, but the delivery is top-notch. Roger Cross did a great job. Shame the Fallout wiki says he hasn't gotten solid work since 2015.

[@bambblamb3734]

@@patnewbie2177 I also learned from another comment that Ulysses was from a tribe so English wasn't his first language. Which is something most people dont know so that explains why they complain about the dialogue.

[@pineapplepie4929]

could've had way more, they cut him as a companion because disc space limitations because his dialouge files took up that much space

[@nomadwolfox2140]

its like too much, like * rolls eyes * this deep voice again? no one sounds like that lol, i mean they do but...theres a reason why its cliche, ill give it (deep voices) that

[@patnewbie2177]

@dogecoin investor Ah, thanks.

[@keatonkitsune4064]

Lanius and Vulpes together could probably hold the legion together after Ceasar's death. It feels like Ceasar's biggest failings are treating failure so harshly, and not preparing an heir/protogé.

[@nukesrus2663]

It's believed by some that Caesar intends for the Courier to be his successor. The fact that if you side with him, he has the Courier's face put on a coin (apparently one of the main methods the Romans used to introduce people to a new emperor), along with how relatively forgiving he is towards you if you fail him, are two of the largest indicators of this I can recall.

[@keatonkitsune4064]

@@nukesrus2663 Unlikely, the courier has no ties to the legion. I guess unless you RP that somehow. Its more likely that Ceasar is just giving the courier due honor for putting the legion into a spot where it can build it's Rome and destroy the NCR. But damn do I hate speculating on New Vegas stuff cause we'll never again get a Fallout game as good as it or even a sequel to it.

[@sleepyllama3673]

@@keatonkitsune4064 I mean, that could be why Caesar wants the Courier as his successor, he started the Legion from nothing and perhaps wants a outsiders view who alligns with his to lead on after his death.

[@keatonkitsune4064]

@@sleepyllama3673 Once again the courier has no connections to the legion. He also spends very little time with ceasar and can actively object to ceasar's methods in their meeting. Heck the courier could be a woman, which the legion has certain views on.

[@andrewbryner2187]

@@keatonkitsune4064 Isn't playing the legion route forming a connection to the Legion and Caesar? Every person in the Legion was brought into the Legion. Renouncing their old connections for Caesar's new ideology. Also they view Caesar as a literal Son of Mars. I don't think a demigod persona would be to hard for a female courier to adopt.

[@yourethatmantis5178]

It's honestly amazing that after 10 years, there's still stuff in this game I've never seen before.

[@xAquaTiicXx]

Include the fact that they made this in a year and its absurd

[@ZHBraden13]

@@xAquaTiicXx With Fallout 3's buggy game engine at that.

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

@@ZHBraden13Which is the same buggy mess from morrowind too. just improved or smth and with a bit of spit and ducktape.

[@johnmanfredo4849]

I never knew you could talk to Ulysses after the DLC.

[@-psilo-9071]

you can talk to him about a decent amount of stuff not just this conversation you should try it out.

[@evilsworn2901]

"It's a shame Vulpes wasn't here. Something tells me you would prove more than his match" Homie he talked shit to me in Nipton and couldn't survive.

[@pooperscooperltm6312]

Sometimes I think Lanius is an asshole for being legion affiliated, but then I remember how many legionnaires he's ordered to kill themselves and I feel like its a 50-50

[@aleksandarnikolov3182]

Or has personally killed before joining the Legion and after (as punishment for battle losses/discipline)

[@fidget0227]

5:09 “ Why would I lie?!?”

[@hardatak]

Ulysses assume the worst happened for graham, mean while he’s just chilling

[@an0970]

What he said about him is right on point tho, basically implying that the worst did happen to him, living life as a failure in cave.

[@jerm70]

@@an0970 It is from a certain point of view however what Ulysses couldn't have known is that Joshua would rise up from that hell and be redeemed. Joshua has overcome his failures by the time we see him in Zion Valley. Joshua's demons still linger but Joshua has let go of his failures and made himself a better person for it.

[@DigitalApex]

I usually go with the diplomatic option when it comes to Lanius, but it makes very little sense. I think Lanius just up and leaving (especially when he knows he can win) is pretty asinine. Doing so would almost certainly seal Lanius' death at the hands of Ceasar. Whereas choosing to still fight is just probable death, which is better than certain death. The only way this would work is if the player killed Ceasar but you don't need to in order to pick the speech checks. It's basically just the Courier going "The NCR will definitely beat your ass, bro. Believe me. I know you're basically unstoppable and on the verge of winning, but you should just leave. Bring more dudes or something." Which, arguably, would _definitely_ ensure that the Legion takes Hoover dam next time when Lanius returns. We can argue semantics, but I just thought it was funny the first time I read all the convoluted mental gymnastics in the dialogue with Lanius. God, New Vegas is such a good game though.

[@alpacalover0]

Honestly given his dialogue I wouldn't be surprised if Lanius killed Caesar himself at the end of this. Your speech convinces him that Caesar is about to metaphorically throw the Legion off the Hoover Dam just to take the Mojave, and he doesn't seem to share that desire to immediately claim what is little more to a primitive society than concrete.

[@timtamthemememan5094]

The bartering option states that he can take the west but doing so will destroy the legion as they will be spread like the bear

[@RdTrler]

The thing about letting the Legion muster their troops to push the Hoover Dam with more people is, that still buys the NCR time to work with the Boomers and get some artillery aimed East. Yes, Caesar's Legion would come back stronger, but that just doubles the losses they'll take -- at little to no additional investment on the NCR's part. Telling Lanius to bugger off will set the two factions down that path. One with merely more slaves and no new firepower, the other with more numbers and more firepower. Also, it's always funny watching the Legate just pull an Usain Bolt and run abruptly.

[@Chokah]

You forgot that Caesar is dying. in 6 months, a year on the outside, the Legion will shatter and burn as every Centurion on up will start fighting each other for the throne.

[@sillyking1991]

the legion regrouping also gives NCR the chance ot regroup...so even if he does return, it still doesn't guarantee that his force will be that much larger, or more dangerous, than the NCR's....and thats even more true if you've sided with house.

[@tonytattletaleliano956]

If fallout nv 2 ever is a thing making the legate retreat to return one day is a good way to continue it

[@paulsmith5752]

Just had a thought - if Josh Graham and Robert House came to some sort of agreement, we might see KILLER MORMON DEATH ROBOTS (the Mk 1 "Danite" Class and Mk 2 "Destroying Angel").

[@feliciaf8]

@@paulsmith5752 that would be s awesome, gonna buy it day one 🥲

[@gregoryderpwrld111]

THIRD BATTLE OF HOOVER DAMN BAYBEEEEEEE

[@lossavageles]

Bro says until we meet again thinking he can keep the legion together after Caesar

[@michaelmunger5999]

I really fucking love Ulysses voice actor. I really hope if they decide to make a New Vegas 2, he needs to return. I could listen to him all day, bro

[@UnskilledTrashcan]

Bethesda (or miscrosoft?) really should just give obsidian the rights to fallout lol.

[@nukesrus2663]

​@@UnskilledTrashcanMicrosoft owns both Bethesda and Obsidian, so probably not necessary

[@cherry9787]

​@@UnskilledTrashcan Ob fell off at Outer Worlds

[@IwhowasdatXD960]

The problem is that this is a old game so idk if the people in charge now can create the same magic, unfortunately

[@lukesams3349]

Ulysses is out here reminding us that Graham did 75% of the Legion’s work

[@an0970]

Did you watch the video bro, he didn’t say anything like that, he reminds you that he’s just another legion dog that failed and not worth the time to seek out, Ulysses doesn’t not like graham he sees right through the bs even graham was expecting him at one point.

[@drparadox7833]

Bro literally Bullshitted Lanius into retreating.

[@kirpalor74]

Ulysses very long speeches reveals much of the solitude he had to suffer in the Divide, when the Courier arrives is like greeting an old known fella, yet not a friend.

[@brettzforeman]

IMO, the canon handling of this engagement is to persuade him to retreat, then congratulate the wisdom of "surrender," to set him off, then to win with plain old violence.

[@pancakes8670]

Though if anyone is deserving of death, I feel like you could make a convincing argument for it to be Lanius.

[@Cloud_Seeker]

I know this goes against what the devs wanted, but the more I think about it the more I think Speech should be changed in this way. Instead of making it clear what is and what isn't a speech check and if you can pass it or not. They should instead have made it that Speech provide more speech options in a conversation. If you have low speech, you get less options. If you have high speech you get more options. This make it so that you don't just pick the skill check option without really reading what it said. I think this is why "talking down Lanius" is so pointed to and laughed at by people that don't understand what you said. They most likely never read what the options said or was. They picked speech because it was a automatic success and XP. If speech options are hidden and only shown when you have high speech, you still have to pick the correct option for your character. This is a big problem when it comes to the Mass Effect games. Mass Effect 1 actually have some pretty good neutral options, but no one ever pick those if they can pick the Paragon or Renegade option instead. This is why ME2 and ME3 basically became a good vs evil option and the "make animal noises" options.

[@VimyGlide]

iirc that's how fallout 1/2 did speech

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

@@VimyGlide Int 1 being unable to actual talk was good. It's fun how Obsidian tried to do it again in Outer Wild just to fuck it up.

[@krystofcisar469]

This... literally just not showing players what is anad what isnt persuating check would make coversationsway more immersive. thinking about some good old 1998 Fallout stuff. Pretty sure it worked like that - you got some percentile, you got some charisma and reputation and most importantly, the dialogue options are significantly effected by intelligence and you better read it carefully, bcs its theres no highlighted options in coversations...

[@derain95]

Can you tell Ulysses that you have met Graham?

[@D3ADSH0T]

Nope. Tried both ways to complete Honest Hearts but there’s no new dialogue

[@dethpepper8595]

He probably already knows

[@derain95]

@@dethpepper8595 yeah right wasn't he sent to kill him or am I misremembering lore from a mod?

[@thejackruark]

@@derain95 Not sure if he was specifically sent to kill him, but Caesar did indeed send many of his agents after Graham, none returned. So perhaps it's as he said in the dialogue, no good would have come of pursuing the Burned Man. It would make sense if he knew Graham was alive all along.

[@gruntskilling]

Cool, now thats deep writing to include options from Lonesome Road options that you need to initiate to get these options in the Legate speech

[@Wanderer21766]

I wonder if the Courier is still waiting for the day Legate Lanius returns to honor his promise of battle. That would be cool, to see two old souls to fight the final fight, the old world at war with the new.

[@dy1angi11ey6]

I know it’ll never happen, but a game where the courier becomes the new ruler of the Mojave and prepares for war with the legion would be awesome.

[@PresidentBarackbar]

Just like the end of MGS4 lol

[@ferretzim8694]

I remember when I first played Lonesome Road, I found Ulysses boring as he just kept talking. But when I later played it again, and also learned that you could avoid the fight, I started listening. Now he's one of my favourite Fallout characters.

[@dylangrizzle]

Cool video and the tip in the description is useful too. Thanks for making it.

[@AyazHamid]

Your game looks amazing! What texture pack are you using?

[@D3ADSH0T]

NMC's Texture Pack - www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/43135

[@FlymanMS]

Great use of mod! Upscaling the resolution and improving lighting while keeping the original art style.

[@aztecgodhuzluiospd1033]

I wonder what would happen if you talk to members of the legion & revealed Ulysses is alive? I know he wasn’t as known as Joshua graham, but he’d still be remembered for finding Hoover damn & teaching the white legs (probably)

[@ElGranSanto]

05:58 "mom said i cant play with you anymore"

[@jerrysaen]

the fuckign dialogue in this game is amazing

[@kingofthepod5169]

"I lied." - Chauncey, wondershowzen

[@realdwarf-hp5pd]

Bethesda will never make games this good again. Thank you Obsidian!

[@derangedtangerine4731]

Fun fact: you can also get this dialog by talking to cheif Hanlon at camp golf

[@exploertm8738]

Out of 3 options to convince Lanius to fuck off, this is the most realistic one. Still fucking dumb, given Lanius's description through the game (including stuff Caesar himself tells you ffs) he would've probably answered "I am willing to take this bet" or whatever variation he could come up with and charge anyway. I get that this exists for the sole reason to allow speech based characters to beat the final boss their way, but Obsidian then should've really changed Lanius's description by other people so player would know there's a chance to talk him down. On my first playthrough I stocked up on meds and mininukes just so I have a chance against him only to realize that with my speech 100 I can basically skip him. Which IS a shame, getting speech 100 is 1) easy as fuck 2) you'll do it most likely anyway given that Obsidian is incapable of making speech NOT overpowered (tOW separated it in 3 different skills and it still was easy to max and abuse)

[@Freddy-qg8ns]

The Lanius you hear about throughout the game is just propaganda, it is clear from the interactions with him that he's not a dumb savage and literally admits Caesar spent way too much resources to try and take Hoover Dam and can be reasoned with if it can save his empire and men from disaster. Pretty much everything Lanius does is against the image of him that Caesar hypes up, an idiot that has no love for the Legion would have just taken a last stand and say screw it all.

[@exploertm8738]

@@Freddy-qg8ns funnily enough, uhh no, Caesar actually doesnt feed you any propaganda. If anything, he is very much upfront about how Legion *actually* operates and that a lot of things you hear elsewhere including stuff legion soldiers say is bullshit. So its incredibly fucking weird that he suddenly switches gears and describes entirely different Lanius despite full damn well knowing that you will have to interact with him vas a vis at some point.

[@Heyoka86]

How is this game so expertly woven?! Boggles the mind the kind of care that went into the writing and planning. In a league of its own.

[@thomas9745]

I hope the new one brings him back as the final boss again, only to find himself being stuck to a wall, in a more "familiar" position he had layed waste to once before.

[@imhulki463]

There's a new one coming?

[@davidjacobsen2898]

@@imhulki463 no. There’s not.

[@duplicitouscanadian3073]

What I love about this is the second to last comment about Vulpes. My guess is that Lanius knows you're lying your ass off and yet, if even a single chance of loss exists, he won't risk the legion. A really good touch about how perceptive he is. It's probably why respects, your daring. Idk, I love Lanius, he's up there with Graham, Ulysses and the Courier for legends of the Mojave.

[@donovankeeney3835]

I wish even ONE of the named characters the courier threatens would truly grasp the threat to their life that lies before them, like when i have tens of thousands kills under my belt, or when they talk about someone i killed in high regard, i pray one of them would come to their sense and have the reason to surrender when they have the chance, because the second combat initiates a 12 gauge shell flies through whatever armor is on their head straight into the gray matter, i haven't met ONE character who lived up to their bark, no trooper nor legionary, no ranger nor decanus, no heavy trooper nor centurion, no paladin, not a deathclaw to make me stumble, nor super mutant to make me falter, for i lay at the top, the top of murder mountain, with the title of lord death.

[@donovankeeney3835]

i AM lord death upon murder mountain

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

@@donovankeeney3835 You do realize if you *kill* everyone that fucks with you. No one is alive to tell anyone that everyone dies who fucks with you, right?

[@an0970]

It’s called terrifying presence my boy u should try it!

[@taxult]

🤓

[@yazidefirenze]

I find it rather cool that you can talk down the final boss, if you are a good enough talker.

[@madsorathewolf2036]

Okay,I'm curious...what mod(s) is(are) being used to make this level of HD possible?

[@D3ADSH0T]

Rudy ENB and Realistic Wasteland Lighting but I edited the sky through the .ini settings

[@madsorathewolf2036]

Looking through it now...yeah,might definitely get the two of them,maybe see if the former is compatible with TTW But if not,I can always go and put up a new save lol

[@madsorathewolf2036]

Oh yeah,and what's the dialogue UI?

[@D3ADSH0T]

@@madsorathewolf2036 Darnified UI

[@drinkinbuddy8264]

Incredible after all these years I a, still finding new stuff

[@SpikesSpikesSpikes]

generic ass comment said 1000 times. maybe you're just stupid and didn't pay enough attention when you played

[@hexgirl_x]

I always kill Lanius. I can't risk him coming back to claim the Dam because he certainly will.

[@umapessoa5199]

dude, i finished fallout nv over 6 times and never knew i could spare Ulysses thats why i love that game

[@kevinthefox]

Kinda really sad how quickly the dude goes down too. For someone so hyped up and told to have legendary strength and ability he's really more flashy show and talk than brawn or brain..... 1-2 anti material rifle shots to the dome and hes running away with his tail and pride between his legs to suck down pounds of healing powder.

[@wyrdean_9649]

Well to be fair, an anti-material rifle is something you use against a tank, let alone a person

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

"Can't believe that this so called powerful bear, so hyped up to be the strongest land mammal is so weak. They couldn't even take a whole nuke."

[@realname8362]

@@goncalocarneiro3043 Yeah, a bear you drop in a couple shots would be a shit final boss as well lol, what's your point?

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Anti material rifle? Bruh, just go Jackie Chan on his ass for like 8 seconds

[@ellieswagaye]

@@wyrdean_9649 puny legate I guess lul Joshua would survive 🥱

[@88SLLS]

Wow to think I completely missed this. It's far more interesting than anything else he ever said during lonesome road.

[@booquwifius5510]

btw people say Lonesome road was a bad DLC, when its quite literally the peak of writing

[@OhNoTheFace]

I swear whenever higher ups in the legion talk I just fade out into the peanuts honk talking sound

[@ZeroTheHunter]

I remember doing this speech check but i wanted so much fighting him that i reloaded my save and started fighting him. I was dissapointed he couldnt resist too much mini nukes.

[@doifhg]

The only thing I really remember about the legate is blowing him sky high with c4

[@EpsilonCobra]

Im more amazed of how great those graphic mods are, your game looks like Borderlands but way more realistic and less cartoonish.

[@200crazyz3]

Regardless of its bugs it has in the game this game outclasses almost all new games out now best game ever

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

This would've amounted to a fetch quest to kill 10 Ghouls in a Bethesda Fallout game.

[@thegaspoweredjohnnyjohn3972]

The Courier, the legate, Joahua Graham, Ulysses, i always felt they were the 4 monsters, luckily 3 stopped wandering the wasteland and settled somewhere, unfortunately one still wandered and ultimately decided the fate of the mojave

[@MrVibe-tx4rn]

Legate: you’re a liar. Courier: nuh uh Legate: yeah that makes sense

[@PanzerMold]

God... New Vegas is special.

[@scatterman453]

what graphical mods are you using to make the game look like that?

[@VB-wf3eq]

This dialogue option appears when you speak to chief Hanlon at camp golf. Not sure if talking to Ulysses opens up this dialogue route too

[@D3ADSH0T]

It does. I completed Lonesome Road first before interacting with Chief Hanlon in my playthrough

[@VB-wf3eq]

@@D3ADSH0T so you never interacted with Hanlon. Is what you are saying?

[@D3ADSH0T]

@@VB-wf3eq Yeah

[@Trillsgtarchdornan]

That just leaves a huge cliff hanger...like thats cool...but leaves a huge cliff hanger. Like bro your coming back "Meanwhile at big mountain screwing around with science gadgets" Ah courier i have returned....yo where in the name of all mighty Caesar is the courier this is bullshit....well take the dam boiz...

[@UlyssesSB]

Can you list your mod, your game looks cool as hell.

[@D3ADSH0T]

I gotta fix some mods first lol my saves are like 3 years old and the startup loading screen is unstable.

[@Mr.winlock]

@@D3ADSH0T unstable or not this looks good Like the mythical NV remastering we all want Let use play with the shiny broken mod list

[@gamblinggangster8548]

@@D3ADSH0T yea man release a modpack that your using in the video would def love to play it

[@mastercheifslayer300]

You can pretty much get through most of the game with high speech. Speech is so broken

[@Drumpro31]

This games dialogue is art

[@valkyrie788]

what is this mode or what for new vegas? this modern style of the game is fantastic! please share

[@thekingofspoons1027]

I knew about 3 seconds after clicking this video what the speech was and was about to click off - but as always, New Vegas' voice acting kept me along for the whole ride.

[@FlintSparkedStudios]

Cracks me up that he runs away at the end of the conversation

[@mobious15]

What graphics mod is being used?

[@justaguy6133]

You can also unlock this dialogue if you completed the Merciful ending in Honest Hearts (by keeping the Sorrows in Zion and sparing Salt-Upon-Wounds)

[@docholiday4129]

Pretty cool you can use Graham as a piece to trick Lanius. Also what hud mod is that?

[@D3ADSH0T]

Darnified UI

[@varietygaming33]

I never knew you could do this

[@drac0vofficial35]

What lighting mod is that it looks cool

[@D3ADSH0T]

It’s Rudy ENB but the sky is tweaked to blue instead of grey.

[@ShiftToSprint318]

@@D3ADSH0T what setting changes the that again?

[@D3ADSH0T]

@@ShiftToSprint318 I forgot to mention i'm using Realistic Wasteland Lighting as well that adds an extra shade of blue on top to get that vibrant sky look. For the ENB there should be a tab that says "Sky" or something like "Skylighting" on the left side of the menu where you check or uncheck the options.

[@derain95]

@@D3ADSH0T Rudy is great, stylized but not overdone 👌

[@fishcustom]

Ulysses dialogue is insanely good omg

[@ameliakyle7054]

I guess thats how he got his rank as a Legate...he certainly can...Leg It :P