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[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Silus: WORM Courier: *speaks Latin* Silus: let me willingly tell you everything I know

[@MrVlad12340]

Legion members just assume that they are the only ones who speak latin, and so often react to latin as their “secret handshake” sort of.

[@sqeakyloaf9332]

​@@MrVlad12340 This is why you make up your own language

[@Rainbowpuro]

​@@sqeakyloaf9332Brahmin Latin? Pig Latin has to be a bit outdated

[@Wasserkaktus]

​@@MrVlad12340This makes no sense because the Legion should know the Followers are well versed in Latin: They must assume that Followers would never join any military force, let alone the NCR.

[@MrVlad12340]

@@Wasserkaktus i think thats what they assume, yep. And some of the BoS members know latin but i guess Legion just dosent know that.

[@catzone2.072]

I like how silus is probably one of the few legionaries that directly questions caesar's leadership while deluding himself that he is still loyal to the legion, pretty cool character

[@tonystank3091]

It's likely that he's loyal to the Legion as an entity, rather than Caesar himself.

[@catzone2.072]

@@tonystank3091 Honestly, the legion IS caesar (and lanius sorta), both of them are the only thing that sets the legion apart from being a bunch of raiders

[@jakesoros2376]

​@@catzone2.072 Not at all, the Roman inspired society and hierarchy alone dramatically set them apart from any mere Raider group.

[@ethanderryberry6496]

@@tonystank3091 yee. He's a Lanius man from the sounds of it.

[@SSJKirik]

​@@jakesoros2376 Not really. In every canon ending except 1 the legion crumbles. Without Caesar, it falls. Which makes sense. He's allocated himself every responsibility because the leadership below him are either bloodthirsty, conniving, or inept. The ncr is bloated but that bloat is also a strength because the hierarchy of decisions doesn't start and end at one person.

[@empirednw6624]

It’s fun as a female character because that’s what you wouldn’t expect to be a legion assassin. He doesn’t even question it either. He knows the legion is that devious. When you start speaking Latin he knows he’s toast.

[@battlesheep2552]

Females have always been excellent assassins precisely because of that reason. Even when you think women are lesser, you can recognize it doesn't take much strength to poison a drink or slip a sharp knife in between someone's ribs

[@kenrudd6362]

thats funny as hell

[@basicsimp8798]

Seriously, if I play as a female courier, I always side with the NCR just to destroy the Legion

[@TheMasterUnity]

@@basicsimp8798 Side with yourself and beat them both

[@mado-wh4jv]

​@@TheMasterUnity "I side against the Legion cause they won't let women fight, I side against the NCR because they wanted to force women to fight. In fact, I'm a woman."

[@ASingleSpaghetti]

I love how he instantly reverts back to threatening "the wrath of the legion" once he realizes it's not HIS head on the chopping block.

[@wilsonweiseng6485]

Like he's gonna live it down after word gets out how they found the officer as a mole

[@larrychang14]

And he calls the _Courier_ a worm...

[@kardar233]

Fun fact: “Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes” is a historical Latin phrase usually translated as “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts”, or more accurately as “I am wary of Greeks even when they bring gifts”. This is in reference to the Trojan Horse, which is why it’s paired with the explanation of having posed as a mercenary to infiltrate the camp.

[@tyty-xm8fw]

The Romans had several sayings about distrusting the Greeks because they considered themselves to be descendants of the Trojans.

[@sanlorenzo7896]

This quote was also used by Sean Connery in the movie “The Rock” with Nicholas Cage. Crazy how I saw this comment not long after. 😅

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

And it also fits with the idea that you're only pretending to be a Legion Assassin, a double Trojan Horse.

[@Asczor]

Timeo = I am afraid Danaos = of the Greeks et = even dona = gifts ferentes = when they bring ("bringing" literally) btw New Vegas latin is good compared to the usual butchering that is typical of western media, but it still has some mistakes. Here though, apart from the "I" in Ferent"i"s which should be "e" ("ferentes") the other quotes are fine. Corruptio Optimi Pessima = The worst thing (is) the corruption of the best Legum Servi Sumus = We are slaves to the Laws

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

@@VGamingJunkieVTPretending to pretend to be an assassin! So you can wipe out Caesar! Triple Trojan Bonus!

[@xenodroid]

For some reason Silus's dialogue has always stuck with me more than others. I'll just be sitting there taking a shit and randomly think "What an ugly little worm you are."

[@purest_evil]

Perhaps that's the butt worm parasites crawling into your brain while you're unknowingly expelling some of their babies

[@yazidefirenze]

"What pile of excrement did the lieutenant pluck you from?"

[@drippinwet774]

ahhaahahhah

[@pete531]

ahhahaahhaahhahahaahha

[@oliverholm3973]

Looking down the turlet at your worm?

[@HalstenSnowborn]

Listening to Silus seethe "nooo you SLIMY bastard" after revealing you've tricked him is easily one of the most satisfying moments in the whole game.

[@Lajos_Kelemen]

And it never gets old, no matter how many times I replay this game

[@The-S-H3lf-Eater]

Seethus.

[@FlymanMS]

Silus is one of the best side characters and probably has the most objective take on Legion under Caesar, and he is so easy to miss/skip over.

[@crimsonlanceman7882]

you prevented silus from being interrogated

[@azoron3008]

you prevented silus from being interrogated

[@ComradeStrogg]

I really love that he shows the other side of the Legion. Most legionnaires we meet enjoy serving Caesar and believe in the way of the Legion, but Silus represents those soldiers who feel that something is off and just trying to survive under the circumstances. Wish there were more characters like him on the Legion side.

[@FlymanMS]

@@ComradeStrogg he shows that Legion has independent thinking ambitious individuals as well. That’s what I liked about the game, we find decent and nasty people in the all factions, like Lucius and Andrew in the Legion and Chief Hanlon and Contreras in NCR.

[@xifel72]

I never seen him, and I finished the game multiple times

[@destroyer_fletcher7415]

High intelligence IS worth it, because of funny shit like this

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Low intelligence got a lot of funny interactions as well. Painfully absent in Bethesda's parody games

[@strider029]

Low intelligence is funnier.

[@theinfinium3247]

ICE CREAM!

[@SirEnglishBatman]

Pizza.

[@Denominov]

​@@SirEnglishBatman Warm.

[@emmetriley22]

"all that shouting" meanwhile Silus' voice actor is reading lines half asleep one of my biggest gripes with the game

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

Ever heard of hyperbole? Never mind you probably aren't smart enough to know complicated words without them spelt out in front of you

[@rodrigoa.m3566]

​@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 Jesus christ my guy, why get so defensive. That's not even why the voice acting, most of the time, sounds like this. It's an issue with how they protect themselves from leaks. There's very little voice direction, from what I've heard, in the Fallout games. People are mostly handed lines, for dozens of characters in dozens of different scenarios (because these games have a lot of npcs but relatively very little, although quite talented voice actors), and they don't always have the entire picture of their character - the context in which they talk, the relationships they harbor... I wager it's more intent that's made clear. But this is speculation, all I've heard over the years is that the instructions aren't always too keen and descriptive. That said, there's also the issue of how quickly this game had to be made, further hurting it. I'm personally used to the mostly decent but sometimes questionable voice acting in this game series. But I just wanted to point out to friend over there why his frustrations might be... aaaand then I stumbled onto your needlessly aggressive and condescending comment. There's no need for that here, partner.

[@Lalasfritas]

​@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 imagine being unable to correct someone without being insulting

[@azzam7239]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 someone thinks they're very smart today

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 -Somebody says criticism/something they don’t like about the game -insult them No wonder why fallout new Vegas fanboys get such a bad reputation.

[@defiantparsnip]

In case anyone is wondering: Corruptio optimi pessima: "Corruption of the best becomes the worst." Silus is prideful enough to believe he was Caesar's best and think he might be a legitimate threat. Legum servi sumus: from Cicero, "We are slaves to the law" (original is Omni legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus, "we are all servants to the law that we may be free") Timeo Danaos et dona ferentis: from the Aeneid, "beware Greeks bearing gifts" or "I fear the Greeks even when bearing gifts"

[@virael3801]

Silus squealing for Boyd after the Courier threatens him will never not be hilarious, a minute ago this dude was vocally fantasizing putting a slave collar on Boyd's neck and now he's calling for her like she's his mother

[@heartnet40]

There's also the moment when Boyd leaves him for dead. It's like the anvil finally drops and he sees the dropshadow at his feet. "Fuck, no. No!!! She's going to let me die. And she's ok with that because of what *I* said to her! This isn't what's supposed to happen; this isn't how people are supposed to treat officers of the Legion!" Silus spent all that time posturing as a monster without ever thinking about all the extra torches and pitchforks his victims started to carry.

[@Marin117.]

Honestly Silus is the kind of character that would work pretty nicely as a companion. Ex-Legion (not by choice lmao) dude that would def piss everyone off every time he opened his mouth.. Sounds like fun!

[@diaperfang5293]

He would kinda be like a inversed Boone, with the NCR/Legion thing. It does make for a dope idea.

[@Marin117.]

@@diaperfang5293 Now just gotta wait a few years till someone gives him voice lines with the use of AI, lol

[@rustyjones7908]

I wish we could have seen more legion territory.

[@ethanderryberry6496]

I smell a mod. Only appears if you release him and even then you need legion rep, ncr infamy or a skill check to recruit.

[@articusramos808]

Get the nuka cola and fancy lads, becasuse with how things are now, I bet you can have Boone and Slinus get into good arguments. The NCR vet and the Ex legion. Add on Joshua and Ulysses for added effect, it's a group argument. Man, if people aren't too paranoid about AI voices, we would gotten a hell ton of stuff done in half the time.

[@Umbra_Ursus]

Always found Silus weird. I thought the Legion made their cult soldiers out of sterner stuff, yet he's downright gutless *and* free-thinking next to the other Legionaries.

[@ColonelKebabShop]

Fear of losing everything does that to you

[@kuolettavaVids]

When you have nothing to lose, its easy to buy into the cult stuff. Once you've been in as long as Silus, and climbed the ranks, you start to have something to lose. A man with something to lose starts to think for himself.

[@xenodroid]

I wouldn't say he's gutless or cowardly really, when you pretend to be a frumentari to get him to open up I think he makes a pretty good case for not killing himself after he was captured. I second what Kuo said, and would add that if Caesar didn't forbid failure in his ranks as an option, Silus would have most likely immediately returned to the Fort for further instruction as soon as he escapes in the legion playthrough option. He still seems loyal to the cause, just not so far gone as to not see the bigger picture when it comes to the Legions inevitable downfall if Caesar doesn't find a suitable heir, and not stupid enough to kill himself for a cause that he knows in the back of his mind is pretty crazy, even if he is still loyal to it because he was born into it / indoctrinated into it.

[@mikevignola4213]

​@@xenodroid realistically the Legion only has 3 believable sucessors to Ceasar. Vulpes, although the more militant aspects of the legion might not accept a leader who mainly engages in deception. The beast of the east Lanius, while he is setup to be this monster of a warrior, he also has the mind of a genius tactician. The problem with him would be deserters as members of the Legion are more terrified of him than anything else. The third person requires forgiveness, the burned man Joshua Graham. He's a capable leader that is equally respected and feared, he also has the vision to see the long game. He's probably the best candiate for the long term.

[@karlkarling1444]

Unhinged fanatics might be fine for the cannon fodder but officers probably have to be a bit smarter

[@jamesjason3788]

i love silus's logic one line he says Caesars empire will crumble but the exact next line he says nothing can hold back the tide of the legion

[@velocilevon]

Makes him kinda interesting in that regard, he's loyal to the cause in some sense, but also isn't content with the fact that the Legion just keeps killing off it's warriors that have proven themselves for absolutely any mistake of any kind, no matter their past achievements and accomplishments.

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

I don't understand how this comment has so many likes. He said if that's how Caesar treats those loyal to him his empire will crumble. He thought he was being betrayed by his own leader. Once he realizes you aren't part of the Legion it's no longer the case, as Caesar wasn't betraying his loyalty.

[@TheNEOverse]

Its as simple as Silus finding his balls again lol. He's just mad salty he got played like a fool, and wants to try get some sort of win over you no matter how it might contradict his earlier words.

[@voidseeker4394]

Orwell is referring to this effect of indoctrination as "doublethink". When you have two firm ideas in your mind that contradict each other, but you can't notice it.

[@HeadHunter697]

That's how you write a cowardly and hypocritical character

[@rustyjones7908]

Everyone is chill until the courier starts speaking Latin.

[@heartnet40]

This is one of those things I wish we got to see more of from the Legion. You get to hear over and over and fucking over again up and down about how much NCR sucks, but almost nothing from the story about how royally screwed the Legion is even without your help. Silus is one of the rare examples that do multiple things for the Legion's story. -He demonstrates agency that is sure to crop up in the Legion ranks when he questions why a high ranking officer is treated like fodder. -He demonstrates the physical weakness of the Legion, that despite the rigourous training Legion's men arent at the peak of physical strength they are led to believe they are. -His outright irritation when people dont play into his performance of cruelty and evil shows a side of the Legion that expresses the same confusion that the tribals they executed displayed when faced with an opposition that isnt intimidated. Silus carries a lot of the weight here and bless him for it because you literally never get anything like this anywhere else until you get to Joshua Graham and Ulysses.

[@concept5631]

It is honestly a fucking travesty New Vegas wasn't given a proper development time.

[@andryuu_2000]

Why is your profile picture Stocking dressed as Zelda

[@TheTrueFool]

Such a shame the legion didn't get to be as fully realized as the NCR.

[@HellecticMojo]

... you need evidence that the Legion sucks? wtf is wrong with you

[@meava4078]

​@@HellecticMojoyes, as it stands we learn close to nothing about the intricacies and nuance of the legion

[@artemisarrow179]

Ironic hearing a centurion says; “For Christ’s sake.”

[@-caesarian-6078]

Well, Caesar’s Legion does have all of the failings of the late Roman Empire, so well after their conversion to Christianity

[@spiffygonzales5160]

​@@-caesarian-6078 Eh... more like the early empire tbh

[@theelfl1783]

Did not expect silus to catch them hands at the end… bro folded more than a lawn chair 😂

[@victoralexandervinkenes9193]

Folded like clothing 😂

[@Diddylicious]

bottom one is hilarious, bro really just said "Broski Im a trojan Horse"

[@NotoriousWhistler]

For anyone wondering: Corruptio optimi pessima means corruption of the best is the worst. Legum servi sumus means we all serve the law. Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes means beware Greeks bearing gifts.

[@SubADubDub69420]

This does make me question, even if the Courier is intelligence 10, where's he learn the latin from? Are there a fuck ton of things in this game being at Intelligence 10 just lets you asspull? I've never thought about it until now I guess if you had to *find* a book to learn latin, and then be at intelligence 10, all for this one conversation, it'd be kind of overkill for a quest unless they would've planned for it to have utility in the main story or whatever.

[@DawidKov]

@@SubADubDub69420 these are all well-known Latin idioms. Granted, most people know them in translation, but it's not wholly unheard of for people to use them in Latin.

[@SubADubDub69420]

@@DawidKov I’ll take your word for it, I’m not too good with other languages so I learned something today

[@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen]

Also, knowing Latin in an age of rampaging Roman cosplayers is probably a useful skill for a courier, who might have worked in Legion territory. It's not unthinkable.

[@cherry9787]

​@@SubADubDub69420 "Intelligence" is usually referring to book smarts while anything "technical" or based on experience is usually checked with a skill

[@sharpasacueball]

I wish there was an option in the end where you don't reveal the truth and keep him guessing forever.

[@Aereto]

You actually do you can use the last dialogue in the closing to ask if he has any last words before his execution... And just walk away.

[@alexandervydrin1765]

@@Aereto Character still ends his line with "legion scum", kinda ruins it

[@Aereto]

@@alexandervydrin1765 When you gotta play the part of the merc interrogating, act the part.

[@rustyjones7908]

I should learn modding and make one that just has him spout random dame lines and the courier replying with random Latin phrases

[@concept5631]

​@@rustyjones7908You should make a mod where Mojave wastelanders shit on the Legion just as much as they do the NCR because good God that can get annoying.

[@rougenarwhal8378]

even if you really were a frumentarii, LT boyd is such a giga chad she doesn't care, she just wants Silus dead, respect.

[@evangelostse2477]

Frumentarius* is the singular.

[@quadroninja2708]

Except she doesn't, she wants as much information out of him as possible. After he's spilled every piece of intel he had, she would probably kill him on the spot or something like that

[@do.notdisturb]

Torturing and killing POWs doesn’t make you a gigachad.

[@concept5631]

​@@do.notdisturb That's why she made the Courier do it.

[@joshuakim5240]

She actually gets super pissed if you kill Silus too early to give out any intel.

[@junkyardjoe1419]

Did anyone catch that this Centurion, of the Legion which allows only the worship of the Cult of Mars, said Christ on reflex? A holdover from before he was inducted into the legion, or did he pick that up afterward?

[@MOORE4U2]

Lots of atheists and agnostics use Jesus' name as a swear, as it was used here. Even followers of other religions use it similarly. If anything, belief in Jesus would (theoretically) make one hesitant to use it like that, being one of the commandments and all.

[@CombineWatermelon]

​​@@MOORE4U2 not using the lord's name in vain is about not killing in God's name, not saying some silly words

[@blaisems]

I'd be surprised if people in the Mojave even remember Christianity, "Christ" is probably synonymous with "fuck". The irony of someone calling Christ when they probably crucify people on the daily lol

[@sekira4516]

@@CombineWatermelon I'd argue that it applies to both as they are both devaluing and disrespecting His name.

[@AedanTheGrey]

​@blaisems It doesn't seem to have been something that survived in much great form. Its probably cultural holdovers, likely not entirely devoid of meaning but not something actively influencing policy and decisions. The mormon cult of the New Canaanites is rather weird in that instance of clearly and definably worshipping Christianity through bibles in universe. They even have missionaries and goals of conversions.

[@JmdMagic]

Silus has the Schrodinger's Loyalty perk--he is both loyal and disloyal to the Legion depending on whether the person he's talking to is smart or not.

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

Either he was never truly 100% loyal, or this is a rare case of New Vegas spontaneously retconning itself in order to fit the player’s chosen narrative.

[@joshuawiener5003]

​@@Deoxys_Used_MimicSilus did question Caesar, but it was all internal. Once a Legion assassin came for his head, that all came to light as he was trying to save his own skin. Silus was scared for his life, but all that went away when he realized that he was tricked. However, just because he questioned Caesar, it did not mean that he wasn't loyal.

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

@@joshuawiener5003 I wouldn’t make assumptions on a video game character’s mindspace, if I were you. He’s not a human being with beliefs, wants, needs, and fears; it’s a bunch of 1’ and 0’s, programmed to do whatever the writer(s) directs it to. It’s not real. Whatever isn’t explicitly communicated to the player, via dialogue or a data log, is *anyone’s guess.* As far as the scene is concerned, should the player fail the check… he might as well be 100% loyal; there’s no other way to sus him out otherwise. If the player *does* succeed… then go back to my previous comment. Either he’s always been a true believer, always had his suspicions but kept silent, or the universe bent over backwards to make him that way. *You just can’t know.*

[@concept5631]

​@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic Way to take the fun out of it man :/

[@Renteks-]

@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic google suspension of disbelief

[@screamingcactus1753]

I just always play high int characters for the extra skill points, so this is how I always end up solving this quest

[@aight329]

Compensating for something?

[@VimyGlide]

@@aight329 yeah, my 1 charisma. raise my speech skill with excessive numbers of skill points NOW

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

Honestly, a high intelligence Courier might be the scariest fucking thing in New Vegas

[@Resi1ience]

I love how Carrie doesn't even give a fuck about the Courier potentially being a Legion assassin.

[@evangelostse2477]

I also love how she knew to pronounce Silus as 'See-lose' rather than the anglicised 'Sai-lus', which probably means that the VO script has a pronunciation guide. Then again, so many other Latin names are pronounced wrongly, and by Legion characters too, so I don't know.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Pretty sure she's just watching the whole thing unfold with a bowl of popcorn on her lap. :P

[@virgiljianu7166]

Honestly, I wish he had gotten a few more Legion characters like Silus, I feel that it would have made the Legion somewhat more interesting and shown that Caesar's brainwashing and personal propaganda doesn't work with everyone, at least not with all of his soldiers and officers.

[@drumlessons833]

Profligates like you belong on a game dev team

[@evangelostse2477]

I've always wondered...does Silus even speak enough Latin to get what you're saying? Like I doubt that the average legionary or centurion would have a solid enough education in Latin to speak it beyond some phrases here and there. Hell, most of their pronunciations of words beyond 'Caesar' and 'Ave' aren't even that accurate, and Arcade likely knows more Latin than half the legion put together. I like to believe that Silus was secretly bead-sweating when he heard the courier speak Latin, and not because his loyalty is being questioned.

[@bkr1895]

Officers like a centurion usually have a higher level of training compared to the average soldier. If I had to guess based on what I know of Roman legion structure he would be something equivalent to a first lieutenant or captain in a modern military. Officers like this have formal training where they learn more than just how to fight. They’ll read books like The Art of War, Meditations, or The Prince on the philosophy of war as well. So I don’t think it would be unreasonable to say for someone who is such a Rome nerd like Caesar to have his officers learn a bit of Latin, he probably has them read the Roman essentials like Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations, Julius Caesar’s commentaries on the Gallic War, some things about the Marian Reforms, maybe The Rise of the Roman Empire by Polybius, probably some Tacitus, Cassius Dio, Suetonius and Plutarch as well.

[@damonedrington3453]

@@bkr1895I strongly doubt Caesar is educating his officers on old school Victorian era methods of reading the art of war and old Latin books. He probably has then read training manuals he put together. No dictator, much less one in a barely existing state that’s essentially just a massive mobile army, wants intelligent and educated officers. Look at what one centurion smart enough to just not kill himself was able to do to Ceasars operation by having self preservation

[@doghat1619]

@@damonedrington3453 Lanius is an intelligent officer, and he's been raised in the legion since he was 12 at least.

[@damonedrington3453]

@@doghat1619 and because of that intelligence, he betrayed ceasars orders. For good reason I grant, officers killing themselves is not an objectively smart idea. It makes for leaders who are not very good at actually leading, but just following direct orders. But it further proves my point that Caesar does NOT want intelligent officers because of this right here. You can’t have an army that is both led by one man and also led by a competent officer corp, one has to overtake the other.

[@epitaph3988]

The Latin speech options here are all relatively well known historical Latin phrases, so it's possible that legionaries are taught these and other specific Latin phrases as part of their training but don't actually learn much Latin beyond that.

[@DBfan106]

God I love the acting in this game. Silus and Dr. Zero saying 'what?' is always hysterical.

[@incap6038]

Fallout 3: "[Intelligence] You fight the good fight with your voice?" New Vegas: *this entire conversation*

[@granityseis104]

:(

[@DigitalApex]

Yeah, almost like Bethesda's writing sucks or something.

[@nelson6128]

This made me realize that Bethesda and Obsidian have different understandings of what fallout is. Bethesda make compelling gameplay with a nice loot loop. Shallow story to add purpose to what you're doing which ends up feeling forced. Obsidian/Black Isle make a world that you inhabit and you can influence the world through your choices and skills. Gameplay is old school and tedious at times. I'm praying that Microsoft is going to merge them together to get the ideal fallout that has the life long impact of the Obsidian world building, and the satisfying gameplay of Bethesda with it's added gameplay and game scale

[@Doctorgeo7]

I hope so too. Another issue with Obsidian is they've long had the problem of not having the budget to fully realize their games. New Vegas was rushed through in just over a year, and it's incredible how good it is. So with Microsoft behind Obsidian, I'm hoping that they can make an excellent game with their brand of writing.

[@edwardhim2276]

unlikely most people who worked on nv have moved on from obsidian

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

After Outer Worlds I'd say it's safe to assume they are now superficial on the whole "choices and skills" aspect.

[@concept5631]

​@@edwardhim2276 Which is a damn shame

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

I've said the same thing, put Obsidian on writing and RPG mechanics and Bethesda on shooting and graphics.

[@user-xsn5ozskwg]

Part of what make's Caesar's Legion so great is the characters he attracts are some of the most egotistic and self-assured people out there. It makes bringing them to their knees all the more satisfying.

[@gus.smedstad]

I think it's interesting how the voice acting correctly uses the hard C for Caeser and Centurion. The Romans didn't have the soft C we routinely use for those words. This of course is a bunch of 22nd century pretend Romans, so I assume Caesar is a hard-assed history buff.

[@concept5631]

He's a hardass with everything else so he'd definitely be with cirriculum

[@troylee4196]

Caesar was part of that group in the game that was big into reading (the group Arcade Gannon is from) so he enjoyed the idea of the Roman empire and decided to replicate it as his own

[@ManCheat2]

@@troylee4196 Arcade Gannon is from The enclave. but he later joined the followers, which is what gannon is now, and what Joshua graham and Edward aka Caesar is from.

[@comedy_goblin6378]

Honestly one of my favorite things about this interrogation sequence is that it doesn’t really tell you if you succeeded a check or not which kinda adds an interesting back and forth to the dialogue, so when you do get him to spill the beans it feels more earned

[@Inquisitor_Redacted]

I was always confused why these were intelligence checks and not speech checks.

[@TheAussieBlue]

Speech is using charisma. Intelligence is using knowledge. In these checks you are using your knowledge of the legion and latin to trick him.

[@Inquisitor_Redacted]

@@TheAussieBlue I guess that makes sense. But you need charisma to sell a lie. I guess it's both, but they decided intelligence was more important.

[@memeticgenetic5160]

@[Redacted] Then again, given how uncharismatic the Mojave npcs usually are, it probably wouldn't take much in the first place.

[@leviqueen1504]

​@@Inquisitor_Redactedno matter how good you are at talking if you actually don't know what youre talking about youre screwed the moment you get to someone who knows even a bit

[@talkaboutwacky]

"If his Empire does crumble it's probably cause his Centurions are so gullible" -I love the couriers witty retorts!

[@NgolazoKante]

You prevented Silus from being interrogated

[@warwarwa]

Damn he really put some emotions in this finishing "BURN" in his sentence

[@lordlossize]

i wish we could have had him as the legion companion, making him like a counterpoint to boone

[@concept5631]

Imagine if him and Boone met

[@felpzhue]

I love how 90% of the VA's on NV are just half asleep while reading the lines, its kinda funny really

[@onionbrotm570]

Definitely the most respectable legionnaire in an entire "empire" full of zealots, his objective take on Caesar and his Legion makes him actually have character unlike the 2D personalities of his colleagues, too bad he is 100% a shitty person seeing as he is a high ranking member of a military filled to the brim with psychopaths, maybe if he wasn't associated with them you would actually feel bad about him.

[@bladestrike8045]

Nothing respectable about him, he was put into a highly sought after position (centurion) that came with a ton of perks as well as serious responsibilities, witch is extremely FAIR. I'm sure he enjoyed the perks of the job very much but when it came time to do his duty, he chickened out. Guy wasn't forced to be a high ranking member of the military, he chose to be there and KNEW what he was getting into.

[@onionbrotm570]

@@bladestrike8045 Well to become a superior in an army full of murderers one ought to be a very competent killer himself. He flexes his kill count and how he ambushes NCR patrols for days at a time. He is definitely more competent than your average skirt wearing Joe but nonetheless he is still an expendable asset, the plan was to commit suicide if he got caught, he bitched out thinking he is some important cog that keeps the machine running, which makes it even more satisfying to fake being a legion assassin to crush his ego about him being "important" by showing how Caesar truly feels about failure in his ranks. The best ending for one such as him is simply,death.

[@BlackCrossCrusader]

@@bladestrike8045 What a stupid hot take. Do you think you can ask a dictator if you want to stop working after putting many years into his causes? When the whole culture is sacrificing individuality for the good of the collective? No, the only escape is death.

[@o_ver2.094]

@@bladestrike8045 unless he got forcefully recruited to the legion like they do with a lot of tribes

[@concept5631]

​@@bladestrike8045 Everyone is a slave to Edward in Caesar's Legion. Lanius, Vulpes, Graham (formerly). Everyone. Silus is no different and he didn't have a choice in whether he wanted to actually join the Legion or not.

[@yourhighschoolenglishteach8405]

1:47 IMO Boyd is completely telling the truth here. she’s at her wits end, and she’s thinking “i don’t really care if the courier does kill this guy”

[@kerenk]

somehow I didn't know this scene existed before my first playthrough of nv, but I was holding my breath the whole time. especially as a female courier, this exchange is so gripping!!

[@Cellmate]

I love the amount of ways you have to deal with this quest. I had a save just to have fun with this quest and see all the different outcomes. it's especially fun messing with his like this and seeing him squirm.

[@grunt7917]

The only member of the Legion I actually respect. He actually criticizes the "leadership" of Ceasar, while others are some kind of brainwashed drones. And he's actually right. He's a good soldier who has a great list of achievements. If Ceasar can simply throw such assets left and right - he's idiot...

[@leviqueen1504]

My guy, he threw his most accomplished and capable leader into the grand canyon covered in fire because he sent his tropps into an unwinnable war. Ceasar is a moron with the emotional aptitude of a child

[@TheTrueFool]

The legion often feels very devoid of any humanity in New Vegas so it's nice to see a character who breaks the mold in that regard. The NCR is constantly shown to have struggles with morale, many of their troops don't believe in what they're doing in the Mojave, and they're shown losing a lot of ground (Nipton, Camp Searchlight, Ranger Station Charlie, Nelson). The legion just feels like an army of murder bots by comparison.

[@Mepeman]

I subscribed because I'm loving the shit you've done to npc's after or while they were talking.

[@ShasOSwoll]

You prevented Silus from being interrogated.

[@BaronVonMott]

This whole scene has some serious Alpha Legion energy. I would know - after all, I am Alpharius...

[@TheRhalf]

And all I said was a lie

[@SeriousDragonify]

1:19 Ah yes. Catwoman's va from TT Batman game.

[@ofursti]

I mean, She voices like half the women in gaming lmao

[@AgentofChaos315]

I wouldn't have been able to keep the ruse up, I would've started laughing my ass off

[@Siodis]

That punch at the end was perfect.

[@ghoul9988]

i really need to do more low/high intelligence playthroughs

[@HellishSpoon]

To be fair how many people in the wasteland would know latin of all things?

[@IM3C1T0]

: alight silus I’m gonna get you outta here

[@djdexcat]

One of my favorite parts of running a high-int build

[@hollowedheralds3332]

This camp, and everyone in it, will *B-AAAH* Man turned into a sheep

[@rmbwemanplays5567]

Bro you did him so raw. You didn’t have to do him like that😂

[@Anonym-yr4qn]

That's why i always give My Characters high Intelligence and Charisma. It's just the best.

[@quadroninja2708]

Charisma is a dump stat, it has little to no dialogues and doesn't affect much. It's only useful if you rely on companions, or if you're roleplaying a smoothtalker

[@Anonym-yr4qn]

Any more opinions nobody asked you for?

[@quadroninja2708]

@@Anonym-yr4qn not an opinion, it's a fact. Obsidian think out their games thoroughly but can't take account of everything, including balance

[@Anonym-yr4qn]

Well, if you say so.

[@Killsoty]

You know something I realize. His saying of "Christ, I'm a Centurion!" is pretty damning against him All of the legion are supposed to worship Mars, the Roman god of war, and Caesar as Mars' son sent to Earth. But instead, he clearly reveres Jesus Christ. So he doesn't REALLY believe the legion's religion.

[@Pyrrhus_of_Epirus]

Christ is also just a pretty common phrase in the English language now, and has lost much of its religious connotations - so I imagine it doesn’t really mean much to a Legionary to say it.

[@Killsoty]

@@Pyrrhus_of_Epirus I can very well imagine Caesar not allowing terminology of other religions other than the one he was implementing

[@basedtvrk9125]

I mentioned this in another comment, but this probably means Silus comes from a lineage of Christian tribals and he was never fully assimilated into the Legion.

[@xenodroid]

​@Meme Doctor While I think the theory of Silus being a Christian tribal like TVRK said is really cool, I think it's much more likely that Sanchuniathon is correct on this one. In movies like Star Wars Han Solo mentions Hell multiple times but there's no mention of any religious concept of hell in the SW lore. Sometimes writers throw in common expressions like "for Christ sake" without thinking about the possible implications.

[@Killsoty]

@@xenodroid True, but "Hell" is a bad example considering a lot of world religions have their own version of hell, or similar afterlife, typically calling it a similar word in their own native language

[@Mr.Brothybear]

I Love the Taunting Options especially when you have the Skills and perks to back it up

[@goldensoul1842]

Jokes aside, there's more thought and dialogue choices with this one guy than there is in all of Fallout 4. What the hell happened.

[@UntoppableToppHat]

Fallout New Vegas was made with passion, Fallout 4 was made with a high budget, there's a difference.

[@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger]

Silus is quite probably the only member of The Legion that directly criticizes Caesar's leadership. And I can't blame him tbh, imagine you spend 30 years of your life in slavery, enduring the worst sufferings and committing the worst attrocities, and what's your reward for all your work? Nothing. Once you've outlived your usefulness to Caesar you'll die for him. About to get caught by your enemy after losing in battle? You've got clear orders to slit your own throat. The moment you show weakness, fear, dare to hesitate when given orders, or even worse, retreat or refuse them? The only thing you'll wish for is a quick death, when Caesar shows you how stupid you were thinking that crucifixion was the worse torture that could happen to a man.

[@bladestrike8045]

> and what's your reward for all your work? Nothing. You are being absurd. Real life centurions were pain far better then regular soldiers and were exempt from manual labor, could pick slaves and plunder before the regular soldiers, had access to the high command where they could gain even more influence. It was a legitimately good position to be in, people WANTED it, it wasn't the thankless task you make it out to be. Silus knew what he was getting into, the perks and the responsibilities of the job. When it came time for the responsibilities.....he chickened out.

[@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger]

@@bladestrike8045 I can see you're a fan boy of the Roman Empire, but this Caesar's Legion's Centurions, which are the same only in name. You don't choose to become a Centurion, as a legionarie you do well or die, that's it. It's just a higher responsibility, there's no perks whatsoever, except that you get to kill more NCR.

[@bladestrike8045]

@@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger Really? No benefits at all? If it's true then I take back what I said. I just assumed New Vegas would follow real world logic ( in the context of it's universe) and Centurions would get paid more and get other perks.

[@skele3310]

​@@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger i feel like that's mostly an issue of the rush job oblivion had to do on the legion to get it released in 18 months. if they had more time, even just 6 months more, i believe we would know more about the inner workings of the legion. it's entirely possible (if fallout can ever be freed from bethesda's grubby hands) that another game set in the west would explore the legion further.

[@Shitposting_IHMN]

and what do you get for working with NCR, unless you're corrupt, you're nothing there

[@physical_insanity]

Silus, the only individual within the entire Legion.

[@Stefan979-]

Pretty smart guy. He was.

[@nohabloemojislosiento4930]

I like how quickly he goes back to touting the legion after you reveal yourself.

[@Screwby_Jones6200]

"This camp and everyone in it will bu(Mike Tyson punch)"

[@brazzb761]

i'll never stop finding legion pronunciation funny... ah yes, Kentoorian

[@derpyoctopus4217]

It’s how they said it in Ancient Rome

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Perfect punchline. :P

[@OmniShadesGaming]

I called him Cialis, like the medication, one time in front of friends and since then that has been his name to me.

[@xxingoNTF]

"wow im so surprised you were able to get the information out of him without harming him!" silus' rotting corpse in the corner:

[@madbrosheo1514]

“I’ve never once revealed my secret mission about…”*reveals secret mission*

[@mrharvy100]

Meanwhile Fallout 4 Sole Survivor: Pretty please? NPC: OK!

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

“I’m a Centurion, for Christ’s sake!” “For WHOSE sake?”

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

Laura Bailey doing Carrie's voice.

[@NCR_trooper-69]

With 8 intelligence you're not just educated but also Learned a language that isn't used much, so 10 makes you a certified genius like Einstein?

[@sleepygamermax6782]

3:21 Aw yes my favorite part of this quest.

[@zeroknight5594]

Wasn't expecting you to kill him mid sentence haha

[@jagersmash849]

I feel like we could’ve called him the Harlem spider or something just to differentiate them a bit

[@thegodhoward8037]

They should have made an option to have him Keep thinking ceaser betrayed him and turn him into a companion I honestly wouldn't doubt if they weren't planning that originally but was probably cut out due to time crunch

[@quadroninja2708]

I think they wanted Vulpes to be your companion. It would have been the total opposite of Boone, as Vulpes works for legion, isn't straightforward at all, and doesn't have any tragedy (moreover, he most probably enjoys crucifying people)

[@vaclavgembala6773]

You haven't failed old man. You've done exactly as you were meant to do. However, I am not the Archangel Tyrael.

[@acegamer9347]

No joke, doing this part with high Intelligence is what made me fall in love with New Vegas

[@TheProphetOfThePan]

Nothing can hold back the tide of the legion he says. My 12 packs of jet, psycho, buffout and antimateriel rifle says otherwise.

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

This one quest has better writing than a lot of whole games.

[@Thomas20Smith]

Punch to the face, cripples left arm. Seems legit

[@HunterHallas34]

“I’m a (ken)turion for Christ sake”

[@thearisen7301]

I wish Silus could of been a companion if you use the right dialogue with him & the ncr

[@calebexmortis620]

A Legion member saying ''For Christ's sake'' is so funny to me lmao

[@robbietheweirdo]

"call the janitor, i've got the info we need"

[@teodoraristic822]

I kinda wish he was a recruitable companion,after you smuggle or maybe buy him from the ncr, there isn't a legion based companion meanwhile he seems pretty different from the other legioneers

[@SahilHossain-ff4if]

Lore of outsmart silus with your high intelligence momentum 100

[@AshleyBlackwater]

translations from the wiki for those curious "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes" means "I fear the Greeks, even when they offer gifts." This is a line from the Roman poet Virgil, recounting the doubts of Laocoön, one of the Trojans, about accepting the gift of the Trojan Horse. "Corruptio optimi pessima" means "Corruption of the best is the worst possibility." It is originally from Pope Gregory I (Gregory the Great). "Legum servi sumus" means "We are all slaves to the law." The phrase is originally from the Roman orator and statesman Cicero, and in full reads "Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus" -- "We are the slaves of the law, in order that we might be free."

[@sjlbean]

To this day I will randomly call my friends ugly little worms because of this guy

[@AutocraticAnarchy]

A smart Courier can fool a legionnaire by quoting some quick Latin at them. A _genius_ Courier can come up with the idea of putting a slash through the numeral 0.

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

Two sides: Legion courier helps him escape. Or Legion Courier is extreme and goes through with killing him.

[@oneguy9349]

"I'm actually NCR" "Hah! I knew it! Real Legion wouldn't kill me over something like that!" "Uh..."

[@ViktoriousDead]

A really interesting thing is that all the legion pronounced “c” as a hard “Kuh” sound, which in Roman Latin there was no soft C, and V was pronounced as a W instead. They really paid attention to small details.

[@Frozenduckling]

There should be more dialog where you can tell Ceasars he switched